As a Fuse main, definitely agree that the only thing they ever needed to touch was his ultimate. And make no mistake, even on console, it's still easy to stick some crispy Knuckle Clusters. Arc stars can be a bit tricky, but they should be. As far as Maggie goes, I'd suggest the same treatment for her ult as one of your proposed Fuse buffs: make her Wrecking Ball not stun and knock around teammates.
I hate fighting ramparts. Her ultimate is so overpowered. Ran into a rampart, caustic, and catalyst in final circle and they had the one building in zone locked down 😂
I'd like to see fuse ult have a toggle option where you can choose either the circle or you can toggle it to just a wall of fire like a thermite on steroids. Especially when you're indoors and the circle ult won't fit well. Taller fire walls would be awesome as well.
As a vantage main, putting her in C tier ahead of ash is absolutely criminal. She is by far the most underrated legend . I’ll keep racking up the kills till y’all catch up . Her sniper is the easiest gun in the game. Crazy accuracy and no bullet drop. Her tactical is free height, free get out of jail free card, good angle enabling ability. Her passive will tell you everybody’s shield and you can scout farther than a 3x when you zoom in. The only downside is her hit box. I’ll take vantage every game until y’all come around to get playability ;)
i’m a vantage main too, but bro, she’s probably the worst legend in the game right now. yes her tactical is good because of easy high ground and to get out of bad situations. but she’s a recon legend, not an assault or skirmisher. the ability would be crazy if she had an aggressive ult or passive but they are both encouraging her to stay back. other recons can push up with the team and actually do things with their team, she’s relying on people peaking and team shooting. and yes, her sniper is easy to shoot, but all it does is reveal their location for a short time. compare that to the other recon characters who can pretty much get wall hacks. her passive has its uses but if your team is playing aggressively, then she has no use.
@@imnotzachh no way she’s the worst legend in the game. Why play her as a main if she is? Crypto can’t push well so that’s not the case. Vantage is crazy good. I’ll take vantage all day. She’ll eventually be meta. People just don’t see it yet.
@@McRuffin just because a legend is bad doesn’t mean you can’t main them💀💀 on top of that, crypto is one of the best pushing legends because he forces the enemy to move or get hit by the emp.
@@imnotzachh but he’s in the drone when the emp goes off. I don’t see how cryptos abilities makes him a good push legend. His tactical is impossible to push with. He has to be in the drone. If you’re saying it’s good for your other two teammates to push, sure. Agree to disagree. There’s no way vantage is the worst legend in the game in my opinion lol. I think ash and mirage are obviously worse than vantage. Other than that there’s an argument. But there’s no way she’s the worst legend in the game.
This is a fantastic list. Agreed with everything. I play every legend pretty regularly, but as far as “newer” legends, Vantage has been the most enjoyable. I’ve got a little over 2k kills with her and I seriously think she’s only low because people don’t know how versatile she is. Obviously she’s not a useful character in comp, but if you’re someone who enjoys movement and uses AR/SMG or SMG/shotty, she’s perfect because you can still use range with her ult, but fight up close with your 2 weapons. She’s a great legend, but for the sake of an OVERALL list, I understand her being C. Especially with her chonky hitbox smh
She’s solid solo and you make a great point about two SMGs, but in a team sense & especially comp., she’s just not as good. Curious to see what they do to her but may be a long time for that
I do run a lot of no-fills and she's perfect for it. She's probably just one of those legends that'll never see any shine in a competitive scene. Just like Mirage... fun to play but nothing offered to the team. @@MATCH1N
While it’s not the greatest, I wouldn’t say vantages passive is totally useless. Being able to see how many enemies/how good their armor is at a glance is pretty nice for knowing if it’s actually a solo shooting at you or not. Also works as a psuedo digi threat for looking thru bang smoke and caustic gas since it puts the box around your target.
I find her passive to be one of the best for the exact reasons you mention. I will say it's just a tiny bit unfair that Vantage can detect who the real Mirage is and who the decoy is though. Not really something I'd necessarily require to be changed by any means, but yeah.
@@ironviper72 this is how I see her too. She's like loba in that she's not amazing unless you're playing solo with a team. She'll never be an algs legend but she's awesome for pubs/rabked
You've really outdone yourself here, my friend! Your legend tier list is almost perfect in my eyes. If I were to add a touch of my own flair, I'd boost Wattson to the pinnacle of A-tier and Vantage right to the summit of B-tier. Maybe a slight shrink in Vantage's hitbox or a sprinkle of fortified goodness would do the trick. I genuinely believe her abilities are a tad underappreciated by most folks. But aside from that, I'm fully onboard with all your choices, and your explanations are rock-solid. Keep the gaming goodness flowing, pal!
Yea that would be cool while also just maintaining the passive she has now of the self revive on teammates . I think if you gave the fast heal and old revive back she’d be a lil op but she definitely deserves the fast heals to give her a little more survivability on her own . Tactical is pretty good as is , and I don’t know what they could do for the ultimate but honestly I’d like to see something different because her ultimate just seems so inferior in comparison to lobas to the point they should give her a different ultimate .
Crypto main …. I’ve been shifting toward caustic and New castle now..feels like I need a crypto ult to get involved in a fight… without it it’s real hard to win
I like that real and down to earth aspect of your vids. I can tell we have a relatable Apex experience, Haha. Like, Catalyst and Horizon aren't "good" legends, they're annoying. Their tacticals can be flat out unfair to play against, just a hair-ripping experience.
I’d say for catalyst don’t let her tactical hit through doors as it is impossible to get into a room with her without grenades if the spike is going through the door. For horizon just rework her tactical completely
@@BigPro1123I honestly don’t find any problem with catalyst in casual play . Sure she’s annoying in comp but I’ve never had any issue with her spikes or anything how it seems others do . I can see the getting nerfed since that is quite a bit of health but other then that I don’t find her to be op or anything at all tbh
@@necoharvey9736 It can get quite tough to deal with a Catalyst in ranked who can time it right to reinforce doors, put spikes that go through doors and re-reinforce destroyed doors quickly from experience but to each their own (in pubs I do not care as much). I do think the Q spike ball's health needs to be lowered indeed and just negate the part where it goes through doors.
Octane shouldn't be balanced around ranked/comp His kit isn't made for that, so buffing him would cause huge issues for a bigger portion of the playerbase
I didn’t like lifeline wall at the time but I think now it be more tolerable especially with mad Maggie tact and revenant being able to pounce to re knock. Make the walls smaller or collapsible. Like Newcastle knockdown shield
Finally, an accurate tier list! Tho I’d probably put rev in C tier and honestly I’d move Crypto up to C. I agree with your change ideas too, I’d say for ballistic his tact should also scan that person and ash tact should silence the person since currently theirs abilities that make it glitch out
Correction on your statement about Horizon being the most picked legend during ALGS: Banagalore was the most picked legend during ALGS champs and Catalyst closely followed at 77%. Horizon came in third for most picked at 68% which will probably go down since her nerfs.
He murdered my Vantage, but I’m still happy. Low key I prefer to play lesser used Legends and hope for a buff, better than cheesing a kit and dropping after the eventual nerf. Honestly I love Catalyst but they need a nerf and I don’t wanna be effected by it, so I’ll wait for that before I go back~
Everything you said about horizon is 100% true. Don’t know how people can say she didn’t need nerfed. All they say is “just shoot her” which isn’t a good argument with all the lift can do. They don’t realize what it can be used for besides in a fight if they say she didn’t need nerfed.
Late comment but just seeing this. Keep in mind with Valk her passive to detect people on the ground is massive now in ranked. There are way more squads in later rings and using a balloon without a Valk can go badly quickly.
I dunno I kinda like having evac towers AND valks ult. It comes in handy. Say I already wasted her ult and misread where the next zone is pulling, I can just throw down and evac to possible fly over a bunch of craziness. I also like it because it helps the team get around the map quicker. I think valk will come in handy again once storm point comes back. King's canyon, world's edge and Olympus all have jump towers, so it would seem useless to have a valk. But I played her a bit in ranked, and I found that she's still pretty good. She can also fly higher with her ult than an evac tower.
I think a good fix for Vantage would be to get rid of the damage amplification aspect of her sniper and give it more bullets. Just have it hit for a flat 67 damage so she can still 3 tap purple shields. I think this would make her less annoying to play against. Her passive should also be a default optic. Like she always has a 2 x 4 optic. Needing RNG to have a useful passive is annoying. Obviously a smaller hit box would be nice but i may be getting greedy.
Think ppl are forgetting that, selfish IS his character and his kit finally makes sense with the character and is actually good for something. When they tried to have Rev as a pseudo team-player with his totem it clearly didnt work which is why he was at the bottom of the barrel.
Pretty good list but I'd put Ash into C-tier, and Seer into A-tier. -Seer is still extremely powerful if you know how to use his current kit properly, but everyone is just pretending that he doesn't exist right now because they're sick of the seer meta - but probably in a few seasons he'll be 're-discovered' like he was a few months after his first big nerf in season 10, and start popping up again because his kit is still very good. -Ash really, really needs buffs. Full kit. Her passive needs buffs, her tactical needs buffs, her ultimate needs buffs. I will say though, she has the groundwork to be an extremely strong legend but everything about her is extremely mild and toned down. Her ulti has tiny range, her tac is super forgiving to enemies, her passive offers hardly any information compared to other legends. All they have to do is pump up the numbers on all of her abilities (increase passive scan time, increase arc snare stun time, increase ulti range) and she'll be a strong A-tier legend.
I agree with a lot of the list but there are a few I would change and the ways I would buff/nerf them Rev: he’s A he’s strong that’s it, now I would change his tact to be like a dash forward instead of a jump where the longer you hold the farther you dash Vantage: she is b and she just needs a hit box reduction Seer: A I wouldn’t change him Crypto: his passive should be that unskanable idea, his tact should be going out a lot further than it flies out now. Ash: she is d their above crypto, she needs a rework, Macro made a video on this and I agreed that her sword should be her tact and absorb damage or reflect it back. Her ult should be longer distance but if I can dream I would want her to be able to teleport through walls
I don't know if this would make sense but if vantage ult rather, than doing damage, or as much, silenced enemies instead... Idk if that would be a welcomed change
I'm a Valkyrie main and honestly I think she's one of the worst characters. Her ultimate is almost useless now that EVAC towers exist, and her rockets are at best okay. Really hard to use, and limited in use. Breaking doors with them are hard since projectile pathing is very inconsistent, and often times you'll stun and hurt yourself using it close range. Her jetpacks are only good around buildings, but if you're in an open area, she has nothing for survivability and nothing for utility for her team.
@@branden7555 hit boxes in apex are bad in general because everyone’s is different so I personally wouldn’t change that aspect of her, because they might end up over affecting it. Her passive is frustrating, but I don’t think it would be that bad if they just focus on her tactical entirely.
I think Gibraltar better then Newcastle . Can’t deny Newcastle has a godly passive but I like gibby dome better , Gun shield is good , and his ult I like better then Newcastle’s .
Lol man I'm struggling rn I always know there are better legends to run for team comp, BUT I solo so much that I just run rev, I love his new kit I think he is very high tier for solo especially for pub stomping but it works ranked solo as well
Good video. Disagree with the take on Revs ultimate. He’s an assassin so it didn’t make sense to have a team ult with the original. The new ult fits him better. Imo. Honestly though best tier list I’ve seen. I feel like the other content creators copy and paste their seasonal tier lists and out no thought into it anymore. People will literally put out a “season 18” tier list 2 hours after a season launches….hmmm😅
The two friends I play this with normally have a specific composition for most maps as the dynamic is much more cohesive than looked at on paper. We are all master rank but our comp is Caustic, Catalyst and Loba as the two defensive legends make up for what the other lacks while loba ensures that we constantly are getting the gear we need. The only time our comp changes is when olympus is in rotation and that mainly depends on how our mood is. Asides from that, the comp is very successful and allows us to easily punish anyone trying to be aggro as long as you get a building. Having an idea on where zone pulls to get set up early on is also really nice as then we can force a third party to come to us if we are the team intentionally stalling fights.
I got to 200 kills with Vantage so fast! I loved playing her. There are just so many other legends that are better. Knocking people with the double hit on a sniper was so fun
Hey MATCH1N 👋🏼 love your content and your positive vibes. I was a Crypto main cause of you, but rn i feel tired of playing him. Would you go back to Crypto if they rework him good ? Have a nice day 😁
Nah Seer's tac is definitely not fine lol. The guy has no movement, and no defensive capabilities. So people can just ape him for free unless his ult is up. His tac doesn't really do anything. It's very slow and even if you manage to hit someone with it, being silenced for a few seconds isn't the worst thing ever. And since they got rid of the slow, he can't really take advantage of the silence if he can't catch up.
This guy doesn't know that crypto is the best scan legend now he can even heal or use items while using drone, his emp is the best push support in game
Lifeline buff idea. Let the people getting revived by her drone use their knockdown shield during revive animation. When actually standing up (during revive animation), you would be still be able to shield yourself at least a little bit (with knockdown shield protecting like 30-50 % of the body). This wouldn't be op but would make Lifeline more viable.
What are your thoughts on the game now after stepping away for a good while from the comp side of things any shot you ever make a competitive comeback?
So I think the game is getting slightly better but not too much until they get a dev team that actually is passionate about it, rather than about money & politics. As far as comp. goes, I don't know if I will return because of how much I am flying right now, but never say never I suppose.
@@MATCH1N nice. Awesome that your flying a lot. Yeah I hope 🙏 they get people in there that love the game and are willing to make it fresh again! We'll see, maybe one day!
@@branden7555she has the perfect kit. The reason she was mid before is because of how broken seer was. The meta is bang, horizon, cat. Only counter is a digi and she has an in-game mechanic through her ability that affects aim assist. And i don't think she's ever been mid.
@@CharizardLv95 nah I just don't see it tbh. Bang just doesn't compare to how broke previous chars have been. And I've been playing since season 3 so maybe that's why I find her lvl of broke very underwhelming, I've seen worse
@@CharizardLv95I agree with other guy , don’t get me wrong she’s definitely strong but prior tier list she was always regarded as the most balanced legend in apex and put in b tier , now she’s s with no changes ? I think the pro scene affects to much into how people view legend
It hurt my heart to see crypto go into D tier but the more you talked abt him the more I realized you were right he is literally nothing without the drone☹️
not really true... that's why it's "tierlist" he is on another level if you're with friend or ok custom . but you're right when solo crypto he is just nothing without drone.
I don’t know when the video was recorded but they already added 30 more seconds to her Ult; making it 2:30mins. Maybe reduce the wall’s length but making an even longer cooldown would be too much. And she is not crazy OP, just a good legend who’s unfortunately being overused.
Cat is def op. She’s too versatile. She can lock down buildings, los open fields, op at end game, can scan the beacons, good hitbox, abilities can be used in almost every situation in the game. She’s not straight up broken like horizon and seer used to be but she’s def op
@@BANANA42k She is OP in good hands but always remember that she has her limits like no mobility, useless passive in open fields, and can be outplayed most of the time by decent players.
@@BANANA42k nah she is definitely not op, she’s just very good . Her tactical is annoying on doors sure but other then that it’s not crazy if not in a building , and her wall is good for blocking line of sights but nothing about her kit screams op , overpowered would be horizon , seer , valk etc before nerfs . Catalyst is simply a good legend who fits the meta of pros good rn
i agree with everything except rev becuse old rev has bad my opinion and i like the new rev specially his passive and ultimate but his technical it’s ok
As a Fuse and Caustic main, I think Caustic should be placed below Fuse. After the nerfs and with current bugs the barrels disappear, Caustic is not in a good place right now.
Nah caustic is in a great spot. He's powerful without being too annoying to fight against. Compared to how he was balanced for the first 12 seasons (swinging between brutally overpowered or completely useless), he's in a very healthy state right now. Caustic mains just aren't used to the other defensive legends like wattson and rampart being equally viable picks.
@@telvanniis If you play Caustic enough, you'll realize that his abilities are buggy and unreliable and devs don't care about fixing him. his traps disappear randomly, they also get destroyed when put behind a door. The passive is not working most of the time and doesn't highlight the enemies. As someone who mained Caustic for more than 10 seasons, I can play defensive much better with Wattson and even Fuse! yes Fuse is a much better controller Legend than Caustic right now. But I agree if Caustic abilities work properly he is still a beast.
revs ult is pretty lazy design for sure i miss his old one but his tactical is cool, i personally main catalyst as soon as she came out i knew she was gonna be S.
I think Seer offers more than him in terms of team play. Revenant smokes him on solo, but I always look from a comp. standpoint in which you would still see Seer. But either way, just a fun list 💪🏻
Most of the points are solid, especially the fuse one i agree a lot with. However catalyst i disagree, she doesnt need a change her Q doesnt provide too much it covers a small amount of area and is maybe only highly useful in algs or sweat lobbies but i dont like the idea of having legends adjusted just cuz pros say so. Id love to hear that the devs care about casual players too, like valk for example i think she has been overnerfed to a state that she is now, which is pretty much useless. Her Q is pretty much useless and doesnt do anything, her ult is now underwhelming and her only ,,good ability is her jetpack which was nerfed too, dont understand why it was the main thing why you would play her. I understand that they had to nerf the moving on takeoff , even tho id still love if they left it the way it was, but to nerf the ultimate not going so high i didnt understand. A lot of nerfs were pointless and i dont like that the content creators have more priority since it ruins the experience for casual players a lot, for example the ranked is completely ruined now, i rarely get games where i can actually do something, call it a skill issue i dont care. The amount of masters i have in my bronze lobbies is ABSURD, i get new players on my teams and 4 time masters against us, iam usually able to hold my own but i cant do anything against a master fullstack, before talking legends respawn should finally fix the matchmaking. Last seasons i was actually able to play most of the time, now i cant.
I agree with everything you said literally . First like you said with catalyst , I don’t play her at all so I’m not biased and even I agree she honestly doesn’t need a nerf just because the highest level of play she is good when in ranked and pub she is just decent . And especially being myself a valk main it does ruin the game that a pro says something and that becomes the gospel among causuals to the point it just kills the fun. I’m also a very good player and as someone who solo to masters it is so annoying to play with randoms in silver lobbies and be playing 3 stacks
A only disagree on some things like crypto being that low, mirage being that high and, altouth rampart received a buff, i dont think she is that op, so i would put her in B maximum
Ive been sayin crypto was trash since his release dude and i swear everyone always rates him way higher on the teir list than he deserves. Hes garbage. Worst legend in the game by a long shot. No one even comes close. His entire kit requires him to hide in a corner while his teammates fight for their lives at a disadvantage.
i don’t agree with lifeline AT ALL. you compared her to new castle wayyyy too much. while you have more hours than me (7k on steam) i have most of my hours on lifeline. she needs a rework IMO. her playstyle is just very passive. i know her big thing is her passive and her rezing but it’s not enough. even with her revive shield i’m not sure it’s enough. because that’s just new castle. i really hope she comes back “reborn” in a season soon to come. i honestly don’t mind her ult mostly in solo queuing. but lobas is wayyyy better. considering how you can probs fall everything in that care package in a good loba ult spot . and you did compare her old res shield with NC. while alike i feel like new castles ult and tactical AND passive even with that shield will not even come close to how much NC is played in ranked. she shouldn’t even be in b tier tbh. a lifeline is only as good as her team with her kit, similar to a crypto. except crypto is in a much worst state. she’s a solid c tier. infront of mirage FOR SURE. with the rez shield if it ever came back depending on how they mad it she’d be high B tier or A tier. but NC exists so why run her when he exists. i’d like to note that the amount of flanking , movement and pressure NC has. PLUS his ability to make cover anywhere. he’s a godly legend and i don’t even play the dude . i play life line just because i like her personality and she’s very beginning friendly. and her skill ceiling is low. and i just stuck with her. but hoping she gets a rework
As a rev main all I see is hate you could of easily place him in A or secret broken bc he can be a S tier you literally saying he’s overpowered even tho they gave his ultimate a nerf nah all I see is hate and if your doing the most pick rate the order is not in order oct path and horizon then rev bang then wraith her pick rate DROPP you’ve place 10,000 hours and still missed out on a lot of things
Bro…take a deep breather. There is zero hate, it’s just a video in my OPINION lol. You have a different opinion and that’s okay, have a blessed day bro ❤️
This list is so bad cuz so many legends are upper tier. You are basically saying half the legends are A tier. Diversify your list to spread out more legends please.
It’s a tier list in my opinion. I’m not changing it for “diversity”, I’m simply putting them where I believe they should be. Anyone can make their own and disagree
As a Fuse main, definitely agree that the only thing they ever needed to touch was his ultimate. And make no mistake, even on console, it's still easy to stick some crispy Knuckle Clusters. Arc stars can be a bit tricky, but they should be. As far as Maggie goes, I'd suggest the same treatment for her ult as one of your proposed Fuse buffs: make her Wrecking Ball not stun and knock around teammates.
Holy W finally a content creator actually respecting rampart as an rampart main thank you
Yeah, that honestly caught me off guard. He didnt underrate the walls or overrate sheila like most people seem to do. Absolute respect to him
Well she did get a nice buff.
Funny how he says that as he plays a character that’s designed to counter her setups too but he still thinks she’s strong
Rampart needs that respect. We need a quality player with mnk movement to use her
I hate fighting ramparts. Her ultimate is so overpowered. Ran into a rampart, caustic, and catalyst in final circle and they had the one building in zone locked down 😂
I'd like to see fuse ult have a toggle option where you can choose either the circle or you can toggle it to just a wall of fire like a thermite on steroids. Especially when you're indoors and the circle ult won't fit well. Taller fire walls would be awesome as well.
As a vantage main, putting her in C tier ahead of ash is absolutely criminal. She is by far the most underrated legend . I’ll keep racking up the kills till y’all catch up . Her sniper is the easiest gun in the game. Crazy accuracy and no bullet drop. Her tactical is free height, free get out of jail free card, good angle enabling ability. Her passive will tell you everybody’s shield and you can scout farther than a 3x when you zoom in. The only downside is her hit box. I’ll take vantage every game until y’all come around to get playability ;)
i’m a vantage main too, but bro, she’s probably the worst legend in the game right now. yes her tactical is good because of easy high ground and to get out of bad situations. but she’s a recon legend, not an assault or skirmisher. the ability would be crazy if she had an aggressive ult or passive but they are both encouraging her to stay back. other recons can push up with the team and actually do things with their team, she’s relying on people peaking and team shooting. and yes, her sniper is easy to shoot, but all it does is reveal their location for a short time. compare that to the other recon characters who can pretty much get wall hacks. her passive has its uses but if your team is playing aggressively, then she has no use.
@@imnotzachh no way she’s the worst legend in the game. Why play her as a main if she is? Crypto can’t push well so that’s not the case. Vantage is crazy good. I’ll take vantage all day. She’ll eventually be meta. People just don’t see it yet.
@@McRuffin just because a legend is bad doesn’t mean you can’t main them💀💀 on top of that, crypto is one of the best pushing legends because he forces the enemy to move or get hit by the emp.
@@imnotzachh but he’s in the drone when the emp goes off. I don’t see how cryptos abilities makes him a good push legend. His tactical is impossible to push with. He has to be in the drone. If you’re saying it’s good for your other two teammates to push, sure. Agree to disagree. There’s no way vantage is the worst legend in the game in my opinion lol. I think ash and mirage are obviously worse than vantage. Other than that there’s an argument. But there’s no way she’s the worst legend in the game.
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This is a fantastic list. Agreed with everything. I play every legend pretty regularly, but as far as “newer” legends, Vantage has been the most enjoyable. I’ve got a little over 2k kills with her and I seriously think she’s only low because people don’t know how versatile she is. Obviously she’s not a useful character in comp, but if you’re someone who enjoys movement and uses AR/SMG or SMG/shotty, she’s perfect because you can still use range with her ult, but fight up close with your 2 weapons. She’s a great legend, but for the sake of an OVERALL list, I understand her being C. Especially with her chonky hitbox smh
She’s solid solo and you make a great point about two SMGs, but in a team sense & especially comp., she’s just not as good. Curious to see what they do to her but may be a long time for that
I do run a lot of no-fills and she's perfect for it. She's probably just one of those legends that'll never see any shine in a competitive scene. Just like Mirage... fun to play but nothing offered to the team. @@MATCH1N
While it’s not the greatest, I wouldn’t say vantages passive is totally useless. Being able to see how many enemies/how good their armor is at a glance is pretty nice for knowing if it’s actually a solo shooting at you or not. Also works as a psuedo digi threat for looking thru bang smoke and caustic gas since it puts the box around your target.
I find her passive to be one of the best for the exact reasons you mention. I will say it's just a tiny bit unfair that Vantage can detect who the real Mirage is and who the decoy is though. Not really something I'd necessarily require to be changed by any means, but yeah.
She's S Tier for solo pubers who don't or can't use their mics. The amount of info relayed is godly
@@ironviper72 this is how I see her too. She's like loba in that she's not amazing unless you're playing solo with a team. She'll never be an algs legend but she's awesome for pubs/rabked
You've really outdone yourself here, my friend! Your legend tier list is almost perfect in my eyes. If I were to add a touch of my own flair, I'd boost Wattson to the pinnacle of A-tier and Vantage right to the summit of B-tier. Maybe a slight shrink in Vantage's hitbox or a sprinkle of fortified goodness would do the trick. I genuinely believe her abilities are a tad underappreciated by most folks.
But aside from that, I'm fully onboard with all your choices, and your explanations are rock-solid. Keep the gaming goodness flowing, pal!
I think Lifeline should get her old passive of healing 25% faster back, since she is a combat medic.
Yea that would be cool while also just maintaining the passive she has now of the self revive on teammates . I think if you gave the fast heal and old revive back she’d be a lil op but she definitely deserves the fast heals to give her a little more survivability on her own . Tactical is pretty good as is , and I don’t know what they could do for the ultimate but honestly I’d like to see something different because her ultimate just seems so inferior in comparison to lobas to the point they should give her a different ultimate .
Crypto main …. I’ve been shifting toward caustic and New castle now..feels like I need a crypto ult to get involved in a fight… without it it’s real hard to win
Yeah I’ve been there bro, they need to rework him
I like that real and down to earth aspect of your vids. I can tell we have a relatable Apex experience, Haha. Like, Catalyst and Horizon aren't "good" legends, they're annoying. Their tacticals can be flat out unfair to play against, just a hair-ripping experience.
Yeah both need adjustments for sure 👍🏻
I’d say for catalyst don’t let her tactical hit through doors as it is impossible to get into a room with her without grenades if the spike is going through the door. For horizon just rework her tactical completely
@@BigPro1123I honestly don’t find any problem with catalyst in casual play . Sure she’s annoying in comp but I’ve never had any issue with her spikes or anything how it seems others do . I can see the getting nerfed since that is quite a bit of health but other then that I don’t find her to be op or anything at all tbh
@@necoharvey9736 It can get quite tough to deal with a Catalyst in ranked who can time it right to reinforce doors, put spikes that go through doors and re-reinforce destroyed doors quickly from experience but to each their own (in pubs I do not care as much).
I do think the Q spike ball's health needs to be lowered indeed and just negate the part where it goes through doors.
Octane shouldn't be balanced around ranked/comp
His kit isn't made for that, so buffing him would cause huge issues for a bigger portion of the playerbase
I didn’t like lifeline wall at the time but I think now it be more tolerable especially with mad Maggie tact and revenant being able to pounce to re knock. Make the walls smaller or collapsible. Like Newcastle knockdown shield
Finally, an accurate tier list! Tho I’d probably put rev in C tier and honestly I’d move Crypto up to C. I agree with your change ideas too, I’d say for ballistic his tact should also scan that person and ash tact should silence the person since currently theirs abilities that make it glitch out
Bruh only thing respawn need to do to crypto passive, is to change it where he is unable to be scan by any other scan abilities. instant upraise
Correction on your statement about Horizon being the most picked legend during ALGS: Banagalore was the most picked legend during ALGS champs and Catalyst closely followed at 77%. Horizon came in third for most picked at 68% which will probably go down since her nerfs.
Ahh thanks for correcting me. I had it backwards
@@MATCH1N no probs look forward to more fuse content!👍
Amazing tier
He murdered my Vantage, but I’m still happy. Low key I prefer to play lesser used Legends and hope for a buff, better than cheesing a kit and dropping after the eventual nerf. Honestly I love Catalyst but they need a nerf and I don’t wanna be effected by it, so I’ll wait for that before I go back~
Just found your videos a few days ago, really enjoying the gameplay and how you are open about your faith. God bless you brother
As a Fuse/Crypto Main Crypto NEEDS some love lol great vid!
Great tier list! Now I want a Fuse skin tier list 😈
Everything you said about horizon is 100% true. Don’t know how people can say she didn’t need nerfed. All they say is “just shoot her” which isn’t a good argument with all the lift can do. They don’t realize what it can be used for besides in a fight if they say she didn’t need nerfed.
Late comment but just seeing this. Keep in mind with Valk her passive to detect people on the ground is massive now in ranked. There are way more squads in later rings and using a balloon without a Valk can go badly quickly.
I dunno I kinda like having evac towers AND valks ult. It comes in handy. Say I already wasted her ult and misread where the next zone is pulling, I can just throw down and evac to possible fly over a bunch of craziness.
I also like it because it helps the team get around the map quicker. I think valk will come in handy again once storm point comes back. King's canyon, world's edge and Olympus all have jump towers, so it would seem useless to have a valk. But I played her a bit in ranked, and I found that she's still pretty good. She can also fly higher with her ult than an evac tower.
Thank you for saying Horizon is still OP. And giving Revenant a get-outta-jail-free card plus a life buff was just a lazy rework
This season in general is just lazy.
We practically got nothing the entire season. Not even a map change…
Maggie being underrated again
W list, fellow fuse main. Love your comments on fuse. I would like to see another list after the lifeline rework
Great tier list.
You underestimate Vantage. Putting her below Mirage is a crime.
I think ash should have two tacs like how catalyst has two and dat thang should move quicker she would be a beast
I think a good fix for Vantage would be to get rid of the damage amplification aspect of her sniper and give it more bullets. Just have it hit for a flat 67 damage so she can still 3 tap purple shields. I think this would make her less annoying to play against. Her passive should also be a default optic. Like she always has a 2 x 4 optic. Needing RNG to have a useful passive is annoying. Obviously a smaller hit box would be nice but i may be getting greedy.
I think revenant should be higher but overall good list. Love your fuse gameplay
In a team based game he has to be B tier because his ultimate is selfish and doesn’t really help his team
He’s super solo unless you’re with a pre made he tends to fill that octane role of pushing too early and getting knocked first
Think ppl are forgetting that, selfish IS his character and his kit finally makes sense with the character and is actually good for something. When they tried to have Rev as a pseudo team-player with his totem it clearly didnt work which is why he was at the bottom of the barrel.
@@kyote19and that makes him a Good in team based game. Sure it fits his character but it doesn't fit with a game like apex
Pretty good list but I'd put Ash into C-tier, and Seer into A-tier.
-Seer is still extremely powerful if you know how to use his current kit properly, but everyone is just pretending that he doesn't exist right now because they're sick of the seer meta - but probably in a few seasons he'll be 're-discovered' like he was a few months after his first big nerf in season 10, and start popping up again because his kit is still very good.
-Ash really, really needs buffs. Full kit. Her passive needs buffs, her tactical needs buffs, her ultimate needs buffs. I will say though, she has the groundwork to be an extremely strong legend but everything about her is extremely mild and toned down. Her ulti has tiny range, her tac is super forgiving to enemies, her passive offers hardly any information compared to other legends. All they have to do is pump up the numbers on all of her abilities (increase passive scan time, increase arc snare stun time, increase ulti range) and she'll be a strong A-tier legend.
I agree with a lot of the list but there are a few I would change and the ways I would buff/nerf them
Rev: he’s A he’s strong that’s it, now I would change his tact to be like a dash forward instead of a jump where the longer you hold the farther you dash
Vantage: she is b and she just needs a hit box reduction
Seer: A I wouldn’t change him
Crypto: his passive should be that unskanable idea, his tact should be going out a lot further than it flies out now.
Ash: she is d their above crypto, she needs a rework, Macro made a video on this and I agreed that her sword should be her tact and absorb damage or reflect it back. Her ult should be longer distance but if I can dream I would want her to be able to teleport through walls
Probably the most accurate tier list I've seen.
Very good tier list.
I don't know if this would make sense but if vantage ult rather, than doing damage, or as much, silenced enemies instead... Idk if that would be a welcomed change
I'm a Valkyrie main and honestly I think she's one of the worst characters. Her ultimate is almost useless now that EVAC towers exist, and her rockets are at best okay. Really hard to use, and limited in use. Breaking doors with them are hard since projectile pathing is very inconsistent, and often times you'll stun and hurt yourself using it close range. Her jetpacks are only good around buildings, but if you're in an open area, she has nothing for survivability and nothing for utility for her team.
Loba should be ahead of Pathfinder, her kit alone is better. With crafting banners on top it’s a no brainer
One way we could nerf horizon is making her lift destroyable.
That or you can’t use heals on it at all, but that would be solid too
@@MATCH1N what about nerfing her passive and hitbox? Cause I swear those 2 things are what make her broken and not the just the tac
@@branden7555 hit boxes in apex are bad in general because everyone’s is different so I personally wouldn’t change that aspect of her, because they might end up over affecting it. Her passive is frustrating, but I don’t think it would be that bad if they just focus on her tactical entirely.
I think Gibraltar better then Newcastle . Can’t deny Newcastle has a godly passive but I like gibby dome better , Gun shield is good , and his ult I like better then Newcastle’s .
as a player that is coming back to apex after a long hiatus, catalyst is fcking broken and i hate playing against her lol
Lol man I'm struggling rn I always know there are better legends to run for team comp, BUT I solo so much that I just run rev, I love his new kit I think he is very high tier for solo especially for pub stomping but it works ranked solo as well
Good video. Disagree with the take on Revs ultimate. He’s an assassin so it didn’t make sense to have a team ult with the original. The new ult fits him better. Imo. Honestly though best tier list I’ve seen. I feel like the other content creators copy and paste their seasonal tier lists and out no thought into it anymore. People will literally put out a “season 18” tier list 2 hours after a season launches….hmmm😅
Crypto is still my favorite but your right the brain power just to feel useful on a team takes alot out of you
The two friends I play this with normally have a specific composition for most maps as the dynamic is much more cohesive than looked at on paper. We are all master rank but our comp is Caustic, Catalyst and Loba as the two defensive legends make up for what the other lacks while loba ensures that we constantly are getting the gear we need. The only time our comp changes is when olympus is in rotation and that mainly depends on how our mood is. Asides from that, the comp is very successful and allows us to easily punish anyone trying to be aggro as long as you get a building. Having an idea on where zone pulls to get set up early on is also really nice as then we can force a third party to come to us if we are the team intentionally stalling fights.
Bang not being S tier is crazy. Best legend in the game rn. Imo octane is D tier, i hate that man.
Best tier list ive seen and I actually made one yesterday that is almost identical. Seems I was right with the tier list then 👊🏼
love to see you back in apex Match❤
Also you can't disagree with the fact that revenant is the best legend for solo queuing ranked.
I got to 200 kills with Vantage so fast! I loved playing her. There are just so many other legends that are better. Knocking people with the double hit on a sniper was so fun
Totally agreed on your Tier list
Hey MATCH1N 👋🏼
love your content and your positive vibes. I was a Crypto main cause of you, but rn i feel tired of playing him. Would you go back to Crypto if they rework him good ?
Have a nice day 😁
I would play him again but wouldn’t main him. I love using Fuse too much 💪🏻, have a great day bro!
Nah Seer's tac is definitely not fine lol. The guy has no movement, and no defensive capabilities. So people can just ape him for free unless his ult is up. His tac doesn't really do anything. It's very slow and even if you manage to hit someone with it, being silenced for a few seconds isn't the worst thing ever. And since they got rid of the slow, he can't really take advantage of the silence if he can't catch up.
So nice to see a big voice being honest about horizon. She's horrible for the game and she's a cheaters dream
Your awesome dude! Keep up the content 😃
This guy doesn't know that crypto is the best scan legend now he can even heal or use items while using drone, his emp is the best push support in game
I have 56,000 kills on him and played him in competitive. I assure you I do, lol 👍🏻
Lifeline buff idea. Let the people getting revived by her drone use their knockdown shield during revive animation. When actually standing up (during revive animation), you would be still be able to shield yourself at least a little bit (with knockdown shield protecting like 30-50 % of the body). This wouldn't be op but would make Lifeline more viable.
What are your thoughts on the game now after stepping away for a good while from the comp side of things any shot you ever make a competitive comeback?
So I think the game is getting slightly better but not too much until they get a dev team that actually is passionate about it, rather than about money & politics. As far as comp. goes, I don't know if I will return because of how much I am flying right now, but never say never I suppose.
@@MATCH1N nice. Awesome that your flying a lot. Yeah I hope 🙏 they get people in there that love the game and are willing to make it fresh again! We'll see, maybe one day!
Bang is definitely S-Tier atm
She's overrated tbh. Still shocked people rate her higher when not to long ago everyone called her mid
@@branden7555she has the perfect kit. The reason she was mid before is because of how broken seer was. The meta is bang, horizon, cat. Only counter is a digi and she has an in-game mechanic through her ability that affects aim assist. And i don't think she's ever been mid.
@@branden7555seer was mid until he wasn’t just how the game goes 🤷🏾♂️
@@CharizardLv95 nah I just don't see it tbh. Bang just doesn't compare to how broke previous chars have been. And I've been playing since season 3 so maybe that's why I find her lvl of broke very underwhelming, I've seen worse
@@CharizardLv95I agree with other guy , don’t get me wrong she’s definitely strong but prior tier list she was always regarded as the most balanced legend in apex and put in b tier , now she’s s with no changes ? I think the pro scene affects to much into how people view legend
Great stuff bro! Appreciate the NC love. God bless
Need a new legend who has ammo box for a tactical diffrent enough from loba ult since she used mainly for weapons other stuff
I really don't think bang is a A she has some affect on her teammates when they stand in her ult and can blind teammates with her smoke
Loveee the rampart love ! 22k on her now
It hurt my heart to see crypto go into D tier but the more you talked abt him the more I realized you were right he is literally nothing without the drone☹️
not really true... that's why it's "tierlist"
he is on another level if you're with friend or ok custom .
but you're right when solo crypto he is just nothing without drone.
Crypto main here, agree with D tier 😢
I don’t know when the video was recorded but they already added 30 more seconds to her Ult; making it 2:30mins. Maybe reduce the wall’s length but making an even longer cooldown would be too much.
And she is not crazy OP, just a good legend who’s unfortunately being overused.
Cat is def op. She’s too versatile. She can lock down buildings, los open fields, op at end game, can scan the beacons, good hitbox, abilities can be used in almost every situation in the game. She’s not straight up broken like horizon and seer used to be but she’s def op
@@BANANA42k She is OP in good hands but always remember that she has her limits like no mobility, useless passive in open fields, and can be outplayed most of the time by decent players.
Video was recorded two days ago 👍🏻, after the Fuse heirloom update
@@MATCH1N Got it thanks
@@BANANA42k nah she is definitely not op, she’s just very good . Her tactical is annoying on doors sure but other then that it’s not crazy if not in a building , and her wall is good for blocking line of sights but nothing about her kit screams op , overpowered would be horizon , seer , valk etc before nerfs . Catalyst is simply a good legend who fits the meta of pros good rn
i agree with everything except rev becuse old rev has bad my opinion and i like the new rev specially his passive and ultimate but his technical it’s ok
As a Fuse and Caustic main, I think Caustic should be placed below Fuse. After the nerfs and with current bugs the barrels disappear, Caustic is not in a good place right now.
I think caustic is pretty good , personally I think he still is the best at purely locking down a building even over catalyst
Nah caustic is in a great spot. He's powerful without being too annoying to fight against. Compared to how he was balanced for the first 12 seasons (swinging between brutally overpowered or completely useless), he's in a very healthy state right now. Caustic mains just aren't used to the other defensive legends like wattson and rampart being equally viable picks.
@@telvanniis If you play Caustic enough, you'll realize that his abilities are buggy and unreliable and devs don't care about fixing him.
his traps disappear randomly, they also get destroyed when put behind a door.
The passive is not working most of the time and doesn't highlight the enemies.
As someone who mained Caustic for more than 10 seasons, I can play defensive much better with Wattson and even Fuse! yes Fuse is a much better controller Legend than Caustic right now.
But I agree if Caustic abilities work properly he is still a beast.
revs ult is pretty lazy design for sure i miss his old one but his tactical is cool, i personally main catalyst as soon as she came out i knew she was gonna be S.
Valk A tier?!! Her ultimate is a survival item??
but her ultimate is safer , quicker , go a bit higher , can keep a squad sticked together , and can be used way more easily than an evac 😉
Seer infront of Revenant.. yeah nah u wildin 😂
I think Seer offers more than him in terms of team play. Revenant smokes him on solo, but I always look from a comp. standpoint in which you would still see Seer. But either way, just a fun list 💪🏻
Crypto needs alot of buffs and a passive but no way he's nowhere near D tier
u think Octane or Caustic is better in higher ranks , or Loba ?
All three can be viable. Loba would be #1 though
Most of the points are solid, especially the fuse one i agree a lot with. However catalyst i disagree, she doesnt need a change her Q doesnt provide too much it covers a small amount of area and is maybe only highly useful in algs or sweat lobbies but i dont like the idea of having legends adjusted just cuz pros say so. Id love to hear that the devs care about casual players too, like valk for example i think she has been overnerfed to a state that she is now, which is pretty much useless. Her Q is pretty much useless and doesnt do anything, her ult is now underwhelming and her only ,,good ability is her jetpack which was nerfed too, dont understand why it was the main thing why you would play her. I understand that they had to nerf the moving on takeoff , even tho id still love if they left it the way it was, but to nerf the ultimate not going so high i didnt understand. A lot of nerfs were pointless and i dont like that the content creators have more priority since it ruins the experience for casual players a lot, for example the ranked is completely ruined now, i rarely get games where i can actually do something, call it a skill issue i dont care. The amount of masters i have in my bronze lobbies is ABSURD, i get new players on my teams and 4 time masters against us, iam usually able to hold my own but i cant do anything against a master fullstack, before talking legends respawn should finally fix the matchmaking. Last seasons i was actually able to play most of the time, now i cant.
I agree with everything you said literally . First like you said with catalyst , I don’t play her at all so I’m not biased and even I agree she honestly doesn’t need a nerf just because the highest level of play she is good when in ranked and pub she is just decent . And especially being myself a valk main it does ruin the game that a pro says something and that becomes the gospel among causuals to the point it just kills the fun. I’m also a very good player and as someone who solo to masters it is so annoying to play with randoms in silver lobbies and be playing 3 stacks
ye i think they should leave catalyst alone and my opinion is def not bias (i main catalyst)
A only disagree on some things like crypto being that low, mirage being that high and, altouth rampart received a buff, i dont think she is that op, so i would put her in B maximum
Revenant is OP, puts him in B tier
You do double damage to Cat Q so its really only at 150 hp
Horizon has been nerfed so much and she’s still op lol
Great list
great list. Only issue is bang, she def should be S
Ive been sayin crypto was trash since his release dude and i swear everyone always rates him way higher on the teir list than he deserves. Hes garbage. Worst legend in the game by a long shot. No one even comes close. His entire kit requires him to hide in a corner while his teammates fight for their lives at a disadvantage.
Seer and fuse are A /Cripto C
Todas as lendas são boas, só precisam de uma mão certa para cada uma.
10000 hours is mind blowing to me i only have around 4 thousand 😂
i don’t agree with lifeline AT ALL. you compared her to new castle wayyyy too much. while you have more hours than me (7k on steam) i have most of my hours on lifeline. she needs a rework IMO. her playstyle is just very passive. i know her big thing is her passive and her rezing but it’s not enough. even with her revive shield i’m not sure it’s enough. because that’s just new castle. i really hope she comes back “reborn” in a season soon to come. i honestly don’t mind her ult mostly in solo queuing. but lobas is wayyyy better. considering how you can probs fall everything in that care package in a good loba ult spot . and you did compare her old res shield with NC. while alike i feel like new castles ult and tactical AND passive even with that shield will not even come close to how much NC is played in ranked. she shouldn’t even be in b tier tbh. a lifeline is only as good as her team with her kit, similar to a crypto. except crypto is in a much worst state. she’s a solid c tier. infront of mirage FOR SURE. with the rez shield if it ever came back depending on how they mad it she’d be high B tier or A tier. but NC exists so why run her when he exists. i’d like to note that the amount of flanking , movement and pressure NC has. PLUS his ability to make cover anywhere. he’s a godly legend and i don’t even play the dude . i play life line just because i like her personality and she’s very beginning friendly. and her skill ceiling is low. and i just stuck with her. but hoping she gets a rework
They need to buff our boy crypto man it’s sad 😢
I agree with almost everything u pointed out unlike other tier lists. Im just still waiting for a crypto rework to main him smfh
Bang is A or S if it’s the enemy bang. If their on my team they are in D for making me blind combined with the games awful audio.
Wir wollen das Lifeline schild zurück! 😢🙈
Great review and thank you so much for not calling catalyst a she. It makes me love you and your content even more
Is it that serious ? 😂
You need help 😂💀
such a snowflake …
@@AngelSun_99nah hes cooking i dont call that guy a she either
I’d personally put mirage in b, he’s become a lot more useful with him being changed to support and his rez getting buffed.
good vid. I don't think catalyst is op really.
Add my boi crypto a passive
A Christian apex content creator? Praise God baby 🫡🙏🏻❤️🔥
As a rev main all I see is hate you could of easily place him in A or secret broken bc he can be a S tier you literally saying he’s overpowered even tho they gave his ultimate a nerf nah all I see is hate and if your doing the most pick rate the order is not in order oct path and horizon then rev bang then wraith her pick rate DROPP you’ve place 10,000 hours and still missed out on a lot of things
Bro…take a deep breather. There is zero hate, it’s just a video in my OPINION lol. You have a different opinion and that’s okay, have a blessed day bro ❤️
@@MATCH1N 👍🏽
You still be doing pilot things?
All the time 💪🏻
W content
Not to be rude but vantage is underrated
Not rude at all 👍🏻, I think she’s solid as a solo, just not crazy about her in a team sense at all
I really like vantages kit but she is way to big making her not as fun. She dies way to easily. Her and path need very slight damage reduction.
@@BigPro1123 thx
for me 10 legends in A is to much
you have 10k hours and put life in B , you on drugs mate lol
This list is so bad cuz so many legends are upper tier. You are basically saying half the legends are A tier. Diversify your list to spread out more legends please.
It’s a tier list in my opinion. I’m not changing it for “diversity”, I’m simply putting them where I believe they should be. Anyone can make their own and disagree