Was not sure if I need a slider hitch for my F250 (6 3/4 ft bed). Your video convinced me that I don't need one. Thus I can save some money. Thank you.
Thank you for putting this video together. It was very helpful. We have a RAM 1500 Short box and trying to figure out the best way to set it up to avoid issues - type of hitch, pin extenders, etc.
Bought a slider for our 05 Dodge short bed and never used it in 12 years!! Now have a 2021 F250 short bed and decided to get the B&W 3300. This video confirms my decision not to go with a slider hitch. The new Ford has a longer bed than the Dodge and I don't see any issues without using a slider. Besides they are clunky and give you lots of areas of noise!
There is a simple method to use to workout if your 5th wheel trailer can turn to 90 degrees to the cab, measure the width of the 5th wheel then half it, now measure the distance from the articulation/5th wheel pin to the back of the cab, if this measure is higher than half the width of the 5th wheel then you can go 90 degrees, if it is less be very careful and know hoe much you can turn safely.
@@JauntJunkies Thanks a customer of mine was building high capacity close fitting semi trailers for a major parcel mover and he was showing me how he worked out how close the corners of the trailer could get to the back of the cab for a set pin, he basically measured the distance of the pin to the corner added 5 inches then used that to work back from the back of the cab to determine where the 5th wheel went, flaps went from the corners of the cab and extended towards the front of the trailer just leaving a 5 inch gap. All this meant that they could make the trailer longer and get more parcels inside. The method in your case is based on the same idea, adapted to your setup.
@@TheBakka323 I do have a UA-cam Channel, the only problem is finding a fifth wheel camper over this side of the pond, but lets see what I can do for you.
Going to tow a brand new 5th wheel with our 2022 Chevy 3500HD High Country. Dealer will be installing a Companion Slider hitch in a couple weeks. After trailer mods are completed. Love your videos!!
You can also change the 5th wheel pin box. Most 5th wheel come from factory with a 17 inch box, measured from the from the front bolts to the center of pin. As an option, you can buy and install a 19 inch pin box.
I have heard of that as well. Wondered if it would change how it pulled or if it would violate the RV warranty. Would work great though to give extra clearance.
Great video! I am an RV driving instructor and I have a client with the EXACT equipment setup I will be training. I would have loved to see you roll back as close as you could go with guidance to see if it could truly do 90 degrees. The other factor is how level the ground is that you are traversing. Thanks.
All it takes is one time for you to be frustrated when backing or turning sharply that you hit your cab. Don't mess around just get a slider and you will be much happier and with more peace of mind. I have a PullRite Superglide that's works flawlessly. I don't even feel the hitch sliding whether going forward or backwards.
I have a 3500 MEGA cab short bed. Dually. I opted for the sliding hitch as i can go more than 90 degrees. The Ram 3500 MEGA cab is the ultimate fifth wheel tow rig. Factory air ride. Up to 35000 lb towing capacity. Legendary cummins power. Increduble AISIN transmission and a huge corporate rear end with built in cooling. The interior is extremely luxurious. It's like the build it just for us fivers
@@JauntJunkies he trucks ago I was going to add air bags but to get it to ride correctly i was told I had to pull some leaf springs. I opted to trade it in and get factory air ride
Never understood the reason for a short bed dually, but to each their own. Seems counterintuitive to me. I guess if you don’t really haul anything it possibly makes sense
Hello, this comment might be a little late, but it could help others, so here I go… I also have a short bed pickup (6 1/2 feet). Despite this, I can easily make a 90 degree jack knife when backing up my fifth wheel. The secret is the Reese Revolution pin box. When setup for a short bed truck, this pin box does not turn at the pin, but turns back of the pin, under the front of the fifth wheel. This enables short bed trucks to be able to do a full 90 degrees turn. I just wanted to let you know and all of your followers. Have a nice day.
MorRyde and Lippert also have turning point pin boxes that allow you to tow with a 5 1/2’ bed without issues and there’s always the slider hitch as you said. Those turning point pin boxes will allow a short bed to do a 90 degree turn, it’s on you tube and scary at first to watch!
Excellent video. I am considering switching from a class A to a 5th wheel. I know very little about them. I would prefer a full 4 door pickup and to avoid the truck from being so long I would want a short bed. The points you showed me about the pin protruding out in front front of the trailer is invaluable, as is rounded corners. I did subscribe. Thank you
Good video, thank you. I have a 2019 Dodge RAM with 6' 4" box. Last year was our first season, and we had two very close calls in tight campsite spots. I installed a slider hitch in Nov. 2020, and it will be interesting to see how well it works. Hope to be out on our first trip of the season in 3 weeks.
Straight forward no fluff video, thanks. I have a slider Reese 16K in my 6 1/2' bed GMC, I will probably never need it and would prefer a Pullrite Superlite, in scouring the internet I really haven't found the definitive info. I'm looking for, some say yes the Pullrite will work most say no?
Thanks for the demonstration. We have a Grand Design 29rs (30ft) and pull it with a 2017 f350 SB but we use a Reese Goosebox and love it. I can get a full 90 but I have my wife watching🤓
We have our Chevrolet 2500 with the standard short box and a travel trailer., We have a topper and use our bed for storage. Thanks for the video, as we may decide to upgrade to a 5'er one day
Started out with a short bed then got a slider. Got tired of messing with the slider we sold the short bed bought a long bed pickup. Lot of campgrounds were designed decades ago before most had big trailers. Get stuck somewhere cars waiting stuff just a hassle IMO. Now were even thinking of just going to a motorhome we thought we used the pickup for other stuff turned out we didn't use it much. If we sell this setup, then just get a motorhome and a jeep we can flat tow we can always use a small open trailer for hauling stuff around the house.
Another issue is if you verify can turn 90 degree cab is close to the trailer think it's okay. Later when you get on a mountain road that might have switch backs if your going down the trailer is higher then the truck when you make a turn now the cab and trailer will hit. That was what we got into when we first had a short bed without a slider I had back up we had to go to an RV park 35 miles away from the camp site we wanted to camp in. We sold our 5th wheel and truck now we have a 19 foot class C motor home we flat tow an older CJ5 2 door jeep. We just don't need a big RV for two people so much easier when we get into cities just disconnect the jeep and my wife drives it we can drop the motorhome off at a truck stop we go into the city to pick up things. Can't really do that with a 5th wheel leave it somewhere except for a RV park where you paid for a spot. I can leave my motorhome at a truck stop for an hour or two. Only downside is I don't have the power my Ram Cummins 6.7 TD had it could pull 20k lbs up any grade at speed limit no problem. With this V8 gas engine we do end up in the right lane on grades going slow with the semi's. It's not that big of a deal and I don't mind driving little slower it's safer anyway.
Undecided myself. I also have a short bed Ford 350. The only problem I have with a B&W slider is the base alone is a 190 pounds. My brother has a short bed, and like you, he does ok with the standard hitch.
I tow my 25 foot travel trailer camper with the Anderson bumper pull and I'm thinking about getting a fifth wheel camper because I'm a retired coal miner and living full time camping .. I pull with my 2020 Ram 1500 off road package 4x4 . I'll probably get the Anderson 3200 if I buy a fifth wheel .
Thanks for the video. We're going from a 2018 Rockwood 8327SS TT to a 2020 Grand Design Momentum 351M and towing it with our 19 F350 CC SB and racking my brain on what hitch to get. I need to be able to take it out of the bed more often then not (taking kayaks to the water). I'd prefer a slider hitch but every one Ive seen are like 200+ lbs, also looking at that Andersen Ultimate 5th wheel hitch (35lbs) but we go to a couple camp grounds every year and it's tight and many sharp turns plus we live in the city and make several sharp turns to go to or come from camping...ugh!
J and B LawnCare thanks for watching. Sliders are heavy buggers. I have had great luck with and would recommend anything made by B&W. Thanks for watching and let us know what you end up going with.
I just bought the Patroit superglide 2700 and yes it is heavy. I bought the 2k engine lift from Harbor Frieght to lift out the hitch. I had to buy the Demco red adapter which goes in the pin reciever. I also had to add a longer extension 2x2 too the engine lift to reach the the slider. I added a four foot tube for added strength with 12 inches sticking out. This will clear you tail gate in the closed position while you 🪝 hook up then lift enough to clear rails and pull back to the tail gate and lower gate. Drive on out and and place on a dolly.
@@JauntJunkies Funny, this just popped back up. We ended up with a 2021 Prime Time Crusader 382mbh and went with a Pull Rite super slide. Only used it one time, (from the dealer 2 hours away) but so far so good
Right you are. We had one on our previous 5th wheel. Don’t know if it would put our new trailer too far back that it would hit our tailgate or side rails.
There's actually an easy way to calculate this that's solved by geometry. If you assume that the trailer's leading edge is rectangular, The next thing you need to know is where the pin sits relative to the leading edge of the trailer. So if the center of the pin sits right at the leading edge of the trailer, the distance between the leading edge of the trailer will have to be at least half the width of the trailer to clear any bend from 0-90 degrees (with a little more room for extra security). If the trailer's pin sits half the width of the trailer behind the leading edge of the trailer, you will need a distance between the trailer's leading edge and cab's trailing edge that equals half the width x the square root of 2. The square root of 2 is 1.41 with infinite decimals after, so for safety you can just round that to 1.5 times half the trailer width (or more simply, 3/4 the trailer with), and that should provide clearance at any angle between 0-90 degrees. This of course does not account for rounded back leading edges of trailers which will give a little reduction in the necessary clearance. I've put a lot of thought into this because i want to build myself a fifth wheel and am gonna go with a width of 90 inches (won't need extendable mirrors with the ram chassis cab that will pull it). The ram chassis cab on their website gives a measurement of the cab to axle length with options for 60 in, 84 in, 108 in, and 120 in for regular cabs, and 60 and 84 inch in crew cab configurations. At a trailer width of 90 inches (and assuming it's a perfect rectangle), i would need more than 45 inches of distance between the trailing edge of the cab and leading edge of the trailer with the center of the pin at the center of the trailer's leading edge, which can be done with the 60 inch cab to axle configuration. However, if center of the pin was half the trailer width back (45 inches behind the trailer's leading edge), I would need a clearance of 67.5 inches which would require at least the 84 inch cab to axle configuration. The reason for working out this calculation is that I found that for just 24 extra inches of cab to axle length, you can move the trailer ahead 45 inches, giving you a net combined length savings of 21 inches.
@@JauntJunkies Well it's simple: If the pin is at the leading edge, clearance necessary is half the width. If the pin is half the width behind the leading edge, 3/4 the width. Any location in between and I'll defer to my preferred 3-D modeling program.
@@JauntJunkies And yes i think it will be because i want to make scaled down, more affordable version of some true two story fifth wheels I've seen (with a pop up second floor), not just your run of the mill.
Hello, thanks for the info. Newly subscribed, enjoying your content, I'm new to the rv scene. I'm pulling a 29' keystone sprinter with s short bed with the companion slider, going our first outing in s couple of weeks 🤞🤞🙂🙂
Congrats on the rv setup. Most importantly enjoy all of it. We are always here to answer what we can. Thanks for watching and stay safe in your travels.
Great video and demo. We are looking at transitioning to a 5th wheel and I was told I HAD to have a slider for my F250. It looks like if I continue to use the same type of care that I take with my TT, then I'm fine with a fixed hitch. Thanks
I purchased my first 5'r this year, a 40 ft. toy hauler. Then, I realized my 2004 Dodge 2500 wasn't spec'd on the tow rating. The Toy hauler is 15K loaded. So, I'm looking for a suitable truck. This is not as easy as I thought- I've seen smashed rear quad cab corners from short bed owners as I'm on the highway. Nothing some Gorilla tape won't fix, right? What a double bonus- smashing your nose cone and truck simultaneously. Pin boxes and manual sliders don't give me the level of confidence that an 8 foot bed would, but as a daily driver that longer wheelbase would suck. Getting into duallys is the same dilemma. Safety over facility. Then there's the new 10 speed transmissions, and new towing packages for 2020. Big bucks, with endless tech. Someone could make a fortune by selling a tent that unrolls into a 40 foot 5'r. Problem solved.
Thanks FOR VIDEO, I also have a SB/ with 5th wheel picking up attitude 3016SS concerned about turning while backing up on an incline even auto slide 5th wheels are not designed to extend while reversing looking for first hand tips and videos.
D. M. F Schulman thanks for watching. Yeah clearances are so tough sometimes. It seems like so many rigs are different with pin placement. It makes it hard to predict.
Thanks for this information sir. I am looking for a truck and would rather want a short bed like yours. Question: would a 3/4 ton truck work? also, what length, year/model is your fifth wheel home? Thank you
3/4 ton is kinda iffy on payload. We had a 3/4 ton 2015 Ram and were pretty much maxed on payload. Our 5th wheel is a 2008 Carriage Domani . It is 32’ long and weights between 10-12,000 lbs depending on how we load it for the weekend.
Thanks for watching. Sorry don’t have that truck anymore but on my current truck I have the hitch set back as far as it will go and the height is in the middle.
Great video! I have been worrying about this. I've got a 2021 GMC 3500 6ft 9in bed and about to pick up a 42ft 9in 5ver and chose to go ahead and buy the B&A Companion slider just to be on the safe side. Do you personally ever have to worry about hitting the cab when driving forwards at a full lock turn? Just wondering about whether the Demco auto slider would have been a better choice? Keep up the great videos. Thanks!
Never used slider so I don’t know to answer your question. We just bought a 2021 Chevrolet 3500 6’9” bed and are going with the companion hitch again non slider.
Have same truck as yours. I had B & W before with long bed and loved it with 35 ft 5er. I am seriously considering the B & W Slider for new truck. How has the slider been so far?
@@10xSmiles I've used the slider twice now. Once to test how far I could pivot and once at my house to back up in a really tight area. I've since driven quite a bit more around town and to a destination and not needed to use it again. When I have used it, you definitely can get the trailer at more than a 90 degree angle to my truck without hitting the nose on the back of the cab. Without it slid back, you can't. Also, without it slid, it appears on a hard turn it might be possible to hit the nose on the rear of the cab even while driving forwards after holding the steering full lock long enough for the trailer to continue pivoting. I can see where the slider is not necessarily mandatory but I didn't know that til I had bought it and I personally would rather be safe and have it just in case. The bad part is it is much more expensive than its non sliding version. Remember, all this is dependant largely on your specific trailer and it's nose cap to pin box relationship. Hope that helps.
My buddy had one in his 2021 GMC and switched to the B&W companion because it fit better. The Anderson put the pin box too far back towards the tailgate.
@@JauntJunkies Roger that. I purchased the Andersen from my buddy. He had the same truck as I do. Different 5th thought. Much heavier and longer. Mines a 36 cougar. 1st time pulling it tomorrow.
On the F350 we put on air bags. We didn’t need them but I wanted to try to install some. Currently our Chevrolet does not. I can’t remember if we had the airbags on when we did this video or after.
I have a short bed, rather have a slider and don`t need it, if I ever encounter a tight situation, the stress level dramatically outweights the few extra $100`s for the cost of a slider.
Question for people with trucks? Why get a short bed of you know you'll be towing a Fifthwheel? Are they cheaper to purchase? Or is it for parking space reasons. I don't own one that's why im Asking.
If we used our truck to tow more often we would probably go long bed. City driving like we do day to day the short bed is more manageable. We also like the look of the short bed. Thanks for watching.
Thank you sooo much for your video. we have a short bed truck with a king pin that turns, rather than the sliding hitch. only because we were basically forced to after a terrible accident after we purchased the fifth wheel. We had to change out the king pin and the hitch in our short bed truck. We pull our fifth wheel just fine, however a friend wants us to tow his fifth wheel and I didn't know if we could pull it off?? So I showed this to my husband, so thank you for your video question for you, i didnt mention any details, we have a chevy silverado 2500 diesel short bed with a regular hitch, we are helping a friend out, can we pull off towing a 42 ft grand design?
These huge trailers are NOT legally towable with any 2500 series truck!!! Yea, that diesel will pull it but you are gonna be busting legal axle weight limits. Could lead to huge problems, legal and otherwise.
@@JauntJunkies Ok. Just had my gooseneck Companion installed and hopefully will pick up trailer Sat. Concerned if I will have the correct clearance from top of bed (6") and sit level. You seem to be ok.
@@carlkey9136 how are you man, you mentioned the demco how do you like it I just picked up a2017 350 and also have a 40 ft jayco and I'm looking into a new hitch came across a very good condition used demco do you have enough clearance when you back up and can you get the 90 degree thank you
deviousrcngkrew hey there...yes to all the above. It does take some getting used to however. You have to be dead on for an example when backing underneath to the hitch. I have my hitch rails at about a 1/8 of an inch...so pretty tight. But it works as advertised. Never an issue with sharp turns. Also backing the trailer while hitched will take a little getting used too as your turning radius/geometry also changes. And demco...is quality stuff...built like a tank. Mine going on now with 5 years of use with a 40 ft Lifestyle. Holler back if other questions
One more question Carl key, when you back up to tight spots using the demco can you unhook while being at an angle I know to hook up you need to be straight but does that apply when unhitching I been in some tight spots where I had to unhook while at an angle
Yes stock. I have some viewers that have the 7.3 gasser and like it. I personally love diesel but to each their own based on their needs. In the end it is their cash as well.
Man tell me about it , I have a 2500 Ram short bed and pull a 32' Lakota 3 horse living quarters trailer and I'm constantly telling my wife to watch her turns when she takes it, we guess who hit the truck with the trailer ? Both sides !!!!! ME ....
Kara was in accident and wanted to try something different than what we had. Ram had not changed and Ford had the new update so we liked it a little better.
Why so confusing...the simple rule of thumb is before mounting to your truck bed..turn your truck to 45 degrees with the pin under your truck,if the 5th wheel cab not touching your truck rear window,mark the point n mount the pin connector to your truck..that way its 100% not touching your truck,give it allowance accordingly....
You might want to check your pin weight because looking at what you have I think your over. If you ever get into a accident and they figure it out and your off YOU could lose everything you have . That 5th wheel looks like you need a Dooley 350 to be legal .
Terry Moline thanks for watching I have weighed and I am good. My trailer pin weight is between 1800-2000 depending on how we are loaded. Our truck being a F350 can handle way more. I am not at my truck right now but if I remember right my payload is over 3,000. With our 3/4 ton we were that is why we upgraded to a 1 ton. Now if we had a big 40 ft 5th wheel we would probably be over but ours is only 31 feet and around 10,000 lbs most of the time.
Thanks for watching. I don’t think any manufacturers use a 5.5 in a 3/4 or 1 ton so this is the short or standard bed for this size of truck. I don’t know if a 5.5 bed would be able at all to tow a 5th wheel.
Absolutely incorrect...I have to hit slightly more than this angle every time I enter my driveway. Clearly you haven’t maneuvered around with a 5th wheel too often.
@@admorris11 well let's see 40ft, 35ft, 30ft gooseneck, 25ft bumper triple axle tandem, 53ft semi floats, 53ft semi trailer is what I back up daily on the pipeline of side roads oh yeah I have 43ft Cyclone too.
@@admorris11 clearly you're trying to start an argument here. Clearly, your issue is specific to YOUR driveway. Clearly you should have thought about this when putting in your driveway. Clearly 99% of the time, that 1% being your weird driveway, there 0 reason to have to get even close to 90° in any park or in everyone else's driveways.
This is the shortest bed truck Chevrolet makes for a 2500 or 3500. No point in doing a half ton with a shorter length because halftone don’t have the payload for 5th wheels for the most part. Thanks for watching.
That’s your front door view. Are you kidding me.. AWESOME 👏
NonRev yeah we have a beautiful view here in Utah.
@Elian Harley Virus warning! Hello!
@@JauntJunkies thats utah?
Thinking of transitioning from a travel trailer to a 5th wheel. (Same truck as yours). You hit all of the points we are concerned about. Thank you b
Thanks for watching. 5th wheels are a lot of fun.
This video is very helpful for first-time buyers like myself because me and my wife is playing on buying 1
T Brown Records glad to help. Have fun shopping.
very helpful I just bought a short bed ford and now I know what to look for in a fifth wheel and a slider hitch thank you
Thanks for watching. Congrats on the new truck.
Was not sure if I need a slider hitch for my F250 (6 3/4 ft bed). Your video convinced me that I don't need one. Thus I can save some money. Thank you.
Glad to help. Hopefully it works out for you as well as it has for me. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for the video, never even thought about the slider hitch. Gonna save me in the long run.
Thanks for watching
Thank you for putting this video together. It was very helpful.
We have a RAM 1500 Short box and trying to figure out the best way to set it up to avoid issues - type of hitch, pin extenders, etc.
Bruce Fuller glad it helped thanks for watching.
Do you really wanna tow a 5th wheel with a 1500?
@@gsrhatch14 It all depends on the weight of the 5th wheel. Smaller 5th wheels are light and are ok for weekenders. maybe not full time.
Great review. I’m not taking any chances and going with a long box.
Better safe than sorry. Thanks for watching.
Bought a slider for our 05 Dodge short bed and never used it in 12 years!! Now have a 2021 F250 short bed and decided to get the B&W 3300. This video confirms my decision not to go with a slider hitch. The new Ford has a longer bed than the Dodge and I don't see any issues without using a slider. Besides they are clunky and give you lots of areas of noise!
Thanks for watching. I like how easy it is to remove the non slider hitches.
There is a simple method to use to workout if your 5th wheel trailer can turn to 90 degrees to the cab, measure the width of the 5th wheel then half it, now measure the distance from the articulation/5th wheel pin to the back of the cab, if this measure is higher than half the width of the 5th wheel then you can go 90 degrees, if it is less be very careful and know hoe much you can turn safely.
Mike Ashworth that is a really good idea. Thanks for watching
@@JauntJunkies Thanks a customer of mine was building high capacity close fitting semi trailers for a major parcel mover and he was showing me how he worked out how close the corners of the trailer could get to the back of the cab for a set pin, he basically measured the distance of the pin to the corner added 5 inches then used that to work back from the back of the cab to determine where the 5th wheel went, flaps went from the corners of the cab and extended towards the front of the trailer just leaving a 5 inch gap. All this meant that they could make the trailer longer and get more parcels inside. The method in your case is based on the same idea, adapted to your setup.
Mike, thanks for the info! If you have a UA-cam channel, this would be a great video!
@@TheBakka323 I do have a UA-cam Channel, the only problem is finding a fifth wheel camper over this side of the pond, but lets see what I can do for you.
Going to tow a brand new 5th wheel with our 2022 Chevy 3500HD High Country. Dealer will be installing a Companion Slider hitch in a couple weeks. After trailer mods are completed.
Love your videos!!
Thanks for watching
Very, very informative. I'm new to owning fifth wheel and this clears things up. Thank you!!
Thanks for watching. Enjoy your 5th wheel.
You can also change the 5th wheel pin box. Most 5th wheel come from factory with a 17 inch box, measured from the from the front bolts to the
center of pin. As an option, you can buy and install a 19 inch pin box.
I have heard of that as well. Wondered if it would change how it pulled or if it would violate the RV warranty. Would work great though to give extra clearance.
If you're going to the trouble to change the pinbox then a Reese Sidewinder might be the way to go. With it you can turn 90 degrees easily.
Beautiful 5th wheel . I can’t believe it’s an 08. You must really take care of it. This is the first time I’ve seen one. Very impressive.
dj16911 thanks
Good video. Have F250 short bed, do have a slider, have not had to use but know that I have if needed. Safe travels!
haulin'odie thanks for watching.
Good video, I really appreciated showing the 90 degrees and how quickly you can get there.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for watching
He was probably at about 60 degrees there.
Great video! I am an RV driving instructor and I have a client with the EXACT equipment setup I will be training. I would have loved to see you roll back as close as you could go with guidance to see if it could truly do 90 degrees. The other factor is how level the ground is that you are traversing. Thanks.
Thanks for watching. Those are definitely factors to consider.
love the silver spruce!! I have the exact truck in a 250.
It is such a great color. Thanks for watching.
Definitely something to keep in mind! Thanks for the info!
Andrew Glasrud thanks for watching
All it takes is one time for you to be frustrated when backing or turning sharply that you hit your cab. Don't mess around just get a slider and you will be much happier and with more peace of mind. I have a PullRite Superglide that's works flawlessly. I don't even feel the hitch sliding whether going forward or backwards.
@@Skyhawk172m1 thanks for watching.
I have a 3500 MEGA cab short bed. Dually. I opted for the sliding hitch as i can go more than 90 degrees. The Ram 3500 MEGA cab is the ultimate fifth wheel tow rig. Factory air ride. Up to 35000 lb towing capacity. Legendary cummins power. Increduble AISIN transmission and a huge corporate rear end with built in cooling. The interior is extremely luxurious. It's like the build it just for us fivers
Robert Meehan air bags are probably my next installation. Ram makes a great rig.
@@JauntJunkies mine are factory. So the truck is super soft with a great ride but when you load it the automatically inflate.
@@JauntJunkies he trucks ago I was going to add air bags but to get it to ride correctly i was told I had to pull some leaf springs. I opted to trade it in and get factory air ride
Never understood the reason for a short bed dually, but to each their own. Seems counterintuitive to me. I guess if you don’t really haul anything it possibly makes sense
Nice video. You answered all my questions on the topic - thx
@@dougwright5317 thanks for watching.
Hello, this comment might be a little late, but it could help others, so here I go…
I also have a short bed pickup (6 1/2 feet). Despite this, I can easily make a 90 degree jack knife when backing up my fifth wheel. The secret is the Reese Revolution pin box. When setup for a short bed truck, this pin box does not turn at the pin, but turns back of the pin, under the front of the fifth wheel. This enables short bed trucks to be able to do a full 90 degrees turn. I just wanted to let you know and all of your followers. Have a nice day.
I have seen those advertised but never in person. Sounds like you like yours. Good info thanks.
MorRyde and Lippert also have turning point pin boxes that allow you to tow with a 5 1/2’ bed without issues and there’s always the slider hitch as you said. Those turning point pin boxes will allow a short bed to do a 90 degree turn, it’s on you tube and scary at first to watch!
Bud Lamy I have seen a few videos about them but have never seen one in person. They look cool. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video. I am considering switching from a class A to a 5th wheel.
I know very little about them. I would prefer a full 4 door pickup and to avoid the truck from being so long I would want a short bed. The points you showed me about the pin protruding out in front front of the trailer is invaluable, as is rounded corners. I did subscribe. Thank you
Allen glad we could help. We love our 5th wheel but have always dreamed of a class A.
Great information. Appreciate you putting this together. Helped me a lot
Glad it helped. Thanks for watching.
Good video, thank you.
I have a 2019 Dodge RAM with 6' 4" box. Last year was our first season, and we had two very close calls in tight campsite spots. I installed a slider hitch in Nov. 2020, and it will be interesting to see how well it works. Hope to be out on our first trip of the season in 3 weeks.
Thanks for watching. I am sure you will love the slider when you get into those tight spots.
Straight forward no fluff video, thanks. I have a slider Reese 16K in my 6 1/2' bed GMC, I will probably never need it and would prefer a Pullrite Superlite, in scouring the internet I really haven't found the definitive info. I'm looking for, some say yes the Pullrite will work most say no?
Thanks for watching. I wish I had an answer for you.
Thanks for the demonstration. We have a Grand Design 29rs (30ft) and pull it with a 2017 f350 SB but we use a Reese Goosebox and love it. I can get a full 90 but I have my wife watching🤓
Bob s thanks for watching.
Bob s I’m debating on the goose box for my f350 & Domani set up. Current owner offered his B&W but like goose box idea. Thoughts?
I have a 19 350 shortbed and have goosebox and I hit the cab !!
@@bobstewart9365 im sorry to hear that. I guess it depends on the trailer you have.
We have our Chevrolet 2500 with the standard short box and a travel trailer., We have a topper and use our bed for storage. Thanks for the video, as we may decide to upgrade to a 5'er one day
Rod B thanks for watching. Is your 2500 gas or diesel?
@@JauntJunkies we have the 6.0 liter gas.
@@JauntJunkies sorry for the delay in responding!
Good video and good view I think how you have explained the hitch issue was good for beginners or those switching to a fifth wheel good job
TEX thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching.
Started out with a short bed then got a slider. Got tired of messing with the slider we sold the short bed bought a long bed pickup. Lot of campgrounds were designed decades ago before most had big trailers. Get stuck somewhere cars waiting stuff just a hassle IMO. Now were even thinking of just going to a motorhome we thought we used the pickup for other stuff turned out we didn't use it much. If we sell this setup, then just get a motorhome and a jeep we can flat tow we can always use a small open trailer for hauling stuff around the house.
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Another issue is if you verify can turn 90 degree cab is close to the trailer think it's okay. Later when you get on a mountain road that might have switch backs if your going down the trailer is higher then the truck when you make a turn now the cab and trailer will hit. That was what we got into when we first had a short bed without a slider I had back up we had to go to an RV park 35 miles away from the camp site we wanted to camp in. We sold our 5th wheel and truck now we have a 19 foot class C motor home we flat tow an older CJ5 2 door jeep. We just don't need a big RV for two people so much easier when we get into cities just disconnect the jeep and my wife drives it we can drop the motorhome off at a truck stop we go into the city to pick up things. Can't really do that with a 5th wheel leave it somewhere except for a RV park where you paid for a spot. I can leave my motorhome at a truck stop for an hour or two. Only downside is I don't have the power my Ram Cummins 6.7 TD had it could pull 20k lbs up any grade at speed limit no problem. With this V8 gas engine we do end up in the right lane on grades going slow with the semi's. It's not that big of a deal and I don't mind driving little slower it's safer anyway.
Great video! Very helpful.
Jealous of your view :-) Safe travels!
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Undecided myself. I also have a short bed Ford 350. The only problem I have with a B&W slider is the base alone is a 190 pounds. My brother has a short bed, and like you, he does ok with the standard hitch.
Might come down to how the pin box on your trailer is set up. At least with the slider you always have that peace of mind. Thanks for watching.
I tow my 25 foot travel trailer camper with the Anderson bumper pull and I'm thinking about getting a fifth wheel camper because I'm a retired coal miner and living full time camping .. I
pull with my 2020 Ram
1500 off road package
4x4 . I'll probably get the Anderson 3200 if I buy a fifth wheel .
Anderson make really nice hitches.
Thanks for the video. We're going from a 2018 Rockwood 8327SS TT to a 2020 Grand Design Momentum 351M and towing it with our 19 F350 CC SB and racking my brain on what hitch to get. I need to be able to take it out of the bed more often then not (taking kayaks to the water). I'd prefer a slider hitch but every one Ive seen are like 200+ lbs, also looking at that Andersen Ultimate 5th wheel hitch (35lbs) but we go to a couple camp grounds every year and it's tight and many sharp turns plus we live in the city and make several sharp turns to go to or come from camping...ugh!
J and B LawnCare thanks for watching. Sliders are heavy buggers. I have had great luck with and would recommend anything made by B&W. Thanks for watching and let us know what you end up going with.
I just bought the Patroit superglide 2700 and yes it is heavy. I bought the 2k engine lift from Harbor Frieght to lift out the hitch. I had to buy the Demco red adapter which goes in the pin reciever. I also had to add a longer extension 2x2 too the engine lift to reach the the slider. I added a four foot tube for added strength with 12 inches sticking out. This will clear you tail gate in the closed position while you 🪝 hook up then lift enough to clear rails and pull back to the tail gate and lower gate. Drive on out and and place on a dolly.
@@JauntJunkies Funny, this just popped back up. We ended up with a 2021 Prime Time Crusader 382mbh and went with a Pull Rite super slide. Only used it one time, (from the dealer 2 hours away) but so far so good
Thanks this helping me to make up my mind about getting this hitch appreciate it
Glad to help. Thanks for watching.
They have king pin extenders that you install on the 5th wheel without having to buy a slider hitch.
Right you are. We had one on our previous 5th wheel. Don’t know if it would put our new trailer too far back that it would hit our tailgate or side rails.
Great video! Critical info for those considering that set up.
Molly Quinn thanks for watching
Thank you!!
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I didn't hear anything you said, to busy admiring your view!
Where do you live? I want to move there
Joseph McMillion haha. We live in Utah it is a beautiful place. Thanks for watching.
There's actually an easy way to calculate this that's solved by geometry. If you assume that the trailer's leading edge is rectangular, The next thing you need to know is where the pin sits relative to the leading edge of the trailer. So if the center of the pin sits right at the leading edge of the trailer, the distance between the leading edge of the trailer will have to be at least half the width of the trailer to clear any bend from 0-90 degrees (with a little more room for extra security).
If the trailer's pin sits half the width of the trailer behind the leading edge of the trailer, you will need a distance between the trailer's leading edge and cab's trailing edge that equals half the width x the square root of 2. The square root of 2 is 1.41 with infinite decimals after, so for safety you can just round that to 1.5 times half the trailer width (or more simply, 3/4 the trailer with), and that should provide clearance at any angle between 0-90 degrees. This of course does not account for rounded back leading edges of trailers which will give a little reduction in the necessary clearance.
I've put a lot of thought into this because i want to build myself a fifth wheel and am gonna go with a width of 90 inches (won't need extendable mirrors with the ram chassis cab that will pull it). The ram chassis cab on their website gives a measurement of the cab to axle length with options for 60 in, 84 in, 108 in, and 120 in for regular cabs, and 60 and 84 inch in crew cab configurations. At a trailer width of 90 inches (and assuming it's a perfect rectangle), i would need more than 45 inches of distance between the trailing edge of the cab and leading edge of the trailer with the center of the pin at the center of the trailer's leading edge, which can be done with the 60 inch cab to axle configuration. However, if center of the pin was half the trailer width back (45 inches behind the trailer's leading edge), I would need a clearance of 67.5 inches which would require at least the 84 inch cab to axle configuration. The reason for working out this calculation is that I found that for just 24 extra inches of cab to axle length, you can move the trailer ahead 45 inches, giving you a net combined length savings of 21 inches.
Thanks for watching. Building your own 5th wheel sounds like a cool project. Your math skills way exceed mine.
@@JauntJunkies Well it's simple: If the pin is at the leading edge, clearance necessary is half the width. If the pin is half the width behind the leading edge, 3/4 the width. Any location in between and I'll defer to my preferred 3-D modeling program.
@@JauntJunkies And yes i think it will be because i want to make scaled down, more affordable version of some true two story fifth wheels I've seen (with a pop up second floor), not just your run of the mill.
Would love to see pics of it when you are done.
Hello, thanks for the info. Newly subscribed, enjoying your content, I'm new to the rv scene. I'm pulling a 29' keystone sprinter with s short bed with the companion slider, going our first outing in s couple of weeks 🤞🤞🙂🙂
Congrats on the rv setup. Most importantly enjoy all of it. We are always here to answer what we can. Thanks for watching and stay safe in your travels.
@@JauntJunkies
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Exactly what I needed!
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Good video. Great information!
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Great video. Thank you
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Great video and demo. We are looking at transitioning to a 5th wheel and I was told I HAD to have a slider for my F250. It looks like if I continue to use the same type of care that I take with my TT, then I'm fine with a fixed hitch. Thanks
Jessica Tompkins it really depends on the kingpin length and the front cap. Might not hurt to hook on and test before purchase. Thanks for watching.
I purchased my first 5'r this year, a 40 ft. toy hauler. Then, I realized my 2004 Dodge 2500 wasn't spec'd on the tow rating. The Toy hauler is 15K loaded. So, I'm looking for a suitable truck. This is not as easy as I thought- I've seen smashed rear quad cab corners from short bed owners as I'm on the highway. Nothing some Gorilla tape won't fix, right? What a double bonus- smashing your nose cone and truck simultaneously. Pin boxes and manual sliders don't give me the level of confidence that an 8 foot bed would, but as a daily driver that longer wheelbase would suck. Getting into duallys is the same dilemma. Safety over facility. Then there's the new 10 speed transmissions, and new towing packages for 2020. Big bucks, with endless tech. Someone could make a fortune by selling a tent that unrolls into a 40 foot 5'r. Problem solved.
northerniltree It is a huge dilemma. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video thank you
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Excellent vid. Thanks for doing this
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Thanks FOR VIDEO, I also have a SB/ with 5th wheel picking up attitude 3016SS concerned about turning while backing up on an incline even auto slide 5th wheels are not designed to extend while reversing looking for first hand tips and videos.
D. M. F Schulman thanks for watching. Yeah clearances are so tough sometimes. It seems like so many rigs are different with pin placement. It makes it hard to predict.
I have 1500 Chevy lifted truck from factory small 5th wheel keystone RK2100 any suggestions for hitch. Truck can pull 9000 trailer weighs 6900
@@andreasporch788 we love our b&w companion hitch they do have a slider.
Thanks for this information sir. I am looking for a truck and would rather want a short bed like yours. Question: would a 3/4 ton truck work? also, what length, year/model is your fifth wheel home? Thank you
3/4 ton is kinda iffy on payload. We had a 3/4 ton 2015 Ram and were pretty much maxed on payload. Our 5th wheel is a 2008 Carriage Domani . It is 32’ long and weights between 10-12,000 lbs depending on how we load it for the weekend.
Best 10-20 year old truck for towing? From Mpg & fix issues, lmk
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Automatic sliders are good insurance
Yes they are.
What adjustments do you have your B&W hitch set up. I have the same truck and hitch but see you can move the top of the hitch back a few inches.
Thanks for watching. Sorry don’t have that truck anymore but on my current truck I have the hitch set back as far as it will go and the height is in the middle.
Great video! I have been worrying about this. I've got a 2021 GMC 3500 6ft 9in bed and about to pick up a 42ft 9in 5ver and chose to go ahead and buy the B&A Companion slider just to be on the safe side. Do you personally ever have to worry about hitting the cab when driving forwards at a full lock turn? Just wondering about whether the Demco auto slider would have been a better choice? Keep up the great videos. Thanks!
Never used slider so I don’t know to answer your question. We just bought a 2021 Chevrolet 3500 6’9” bed and are going with the companion hitch again non slider.
So you just never saw the need to use it right?
Have same truck as yours. I had B & W before with long bed and loved it with 35 ft 5er. I am seriously considering the B & W Slider for new truck. How has the slider been so far?
@@10xSmiles I've used the slider twice now. Once to test how far I could pivot and once at my house to back up in a really tight area. I've since driven quite a bit more around town and to a destination and not needed to use it again. When I have used it, you definitely can get the trailer at more than a 90 degree angle to my truck without hitting the nose on the back of the cab. Without it slid back, you can't. Also, without it slid, it appears on a hard turn it might be possible to hit the nose on the rear of the cab even while driving forwards after holding the steering full lock long enough for the trailer to continue pivoting. I can see where the slider is not necessarily mandatory but I didn't know that til I had bought it and I personally would rather be safe and have it just in case. The bad part is it is much more expensive than its non sliding version. Remember, all this is dependant largely on your specific trailer and it's nose cap to pin box relationship. Hope that helps.
Have you tried the Andersen ultimate
My buddy had one in his 2021 GMC and switched to the B&W companion because it fit better. The Anderson put the pin box too far back towards the tailgate.
@@JauntJunkies Roger that. I purchased the Andersen from my buddy. He had the same truck as I do. Different 5th thought. Much heavier and longer. Mines a 36 cougar. 1st time pulling it tomorrow.
Hello,
Did you add to your truck any suspension springs?
On the F350 we put on air bags. We didn’t need them but I wanted to try to install some. Currently our Chevrolet does not. I can’t remember if we had the airbags on when we did this video or after.
I have a short bed, rather have a slider and don`t need it, if I ever encounter a tight situation, the stress level dramatically outweights the few extra $100`s for the cost of a slider.
Kinda what we feel as well. Thanks for watching.
Thanks man👍
No problem 👍
Good video ty
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Good information
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Question for people with trucks? Why get a short bed of you know you'll be towing a Fifthwheel? Are they cheaper to purchase? Or is it for parking space reasons. I don't own one that's why im Asking.
If we used our truck to tow more often we would probably go long bed. City driving like we do day to day the short bed is more manageable. We also like the look of the short bed. Thanks for watching.
I love your camper and the color, what is the make and model of it ?
Spanky Ranger thanks for watching. It is a 2008 Carriage Domani.
Thank you sooo much for your video. we have a short bed truck with a king pin that turns, rather than the sliding hitch. only because we were basically forced to after a terrible accident after we purchased the fifth wheel. We had to change out the king pin and the hitch in our short bed truck. We pull our fifth wheel just fine, however a friend wants us to tow his fifth wheel and I didn't know if we could pull it off?? So I showed this to my husband, so thank you for your video question for you, i didnt mention any details, we have a chevy silverado 2500 diesel short bed with a regular hitch, we are helping a friend out, can we pull off towing a 42 ft grand design?
Thanks for watching. Hope everything goes well.
These huge trailers are NOT legally towable with any 2500 series truck!!! Yea, that diesel will pull it but you are gonna be busting legal axle weight limits. Could lead to huge problems, legal and otherwise.
What slot do you have your hitch in for height? Top, middle or bottom?
Bottom if I remember right. Thanks for watching.
@@JauntJunkies Ok. Just had my gooseneck Companion installed and hopefully will pick up trailer Sat. Concerned if I will have the correct clearance from top of bed (6") and sit level. You seem to be ok.
Excellent
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Great Video.. 😎
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What is the length of your trailer?
About 32’. Not too big. Like most it is branded as a 30’ but they are always a little bigger. Thanks for watching
Very helpful!!! Thank you!!
James Smedley thanks for watching
What size is your bed on your truck?
It is a 6.5’ bed. Thanks for watching.
I use a Demco slider hitch and it’s automatic. Wouldn’t take for it. I have a 2017 Ford F350 short bed
Carl Key how have you liked your 17? So far I like my 19.
Jaunt Junkies Yes...love mine. Have about 60K mikes on now and most of the new model bugs worked out. Pull a 40 footer at about 16K lbs
@@carlkey9136 how are you man, you mentioned the demco how do you like it I just picked up a2017 350 and also have a 40 ft jayco and I'm looking into a new hitch came across a very good condition used demco do you have enough clearance when you back up and can you get the 90 degree thank you
deviousrcngkrew hey there...yes to all the above. It does take some getting used to however. You have to be dead on for an example when backing underneath to the hitch. I have my hitch rails at about a 1/8 of an inch...so pretty tight. But it works as advertised. Never an issue with sharp turns. Also backing the trailer while hitched will take a little getting used too as your turning radius/geometry also changes. And demco...is quality stuff...built like a tank. Mine going on now with 5 years of use with a 40 ft Lifestyle. Holler back if other questions
One more question Carl key, when you back up to tight spots using the demco can you unhook while being at an angle I know to hook up you need to be straight but does that apply when unhitching I been in some tight spots where I had to unhook while at an angle
Short bed heavy duty truck (6.75' bed)? yes you can.
Short bed half ton truck( 5.5' bed)? NO WAY!
Sorry should have specified 6.75' not 5.5' bed. Thanks for watching.
How many inches do u have between RV & bed rails? I’ve read 7” is recommended.
Rick Miles I honestly have not measured but I bet I am close to 7”. I guess I will need to measure next time I hook on.
You Made a cool video
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I dont understand how you picked a short bed .....long bed single cab here drw
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that diesel sounds nice!!!. ha ha is she stock? I'm tossed between the diesel and 7.3 (F-350) but that's a separate conversation 🙃🤪
Yes stock. I have some viewers that have the 7.3 gasser and like it. I personally love diesel but to each their own based on their needs. In the end it is their cash as well.
Man tell me about it , I have a 2500 Ram short bed and pull a 32' Lakota 3 horse living quarters trailer and I'm constantly telling my wife to watch her turns when she takes it, we guess who hit the truck with the trailer ? Both sides !!!!! ME ....
larryolivar3 thanks for watching. Isn’t that just the way it goes.
Yes it is, but I still enjoyed your video ! Thank you
I know this is no thread but if you see this I have a question. Is it possible to hit The truck while moving forward or were you backing up?
@@bretpetersen138 it’s very likely
Why did you switch to ford from ram?
Kara was in accident and wanted to try something different than what we had. Ram had not changed and Ford had the new update so we liked it a little better.
@@JauntJunkies how about towing?
How is this possible !! I have same truck with goosebox and I went 75 degrees and hit my cab 4500 damage
It might be more the front cap and pin location on the 5th wheel. Thanks for watching.
Why so confusing...the simple rule of thumb is before mounting to your truck bed..turn your truck to 45 degrees with the pin under your truck,if the 5th wheel cab not touching your truck rear window,mark the point n mount the pin connector to your truck..that way its 100% not touching your truck,give it allowance accordingly....
@@RedSpear-x3t thanks for watching
That Hill AFB?
Hunter Salge no. We are a ways south of Hill
@@JauntJunkies Man its beautiful though. Thank you for great video. Feeling the pains of a short bed.
Thank you for making this video
Philip Brahm thanks for watching. Hope it helps.
Utah!?
Serval Ferré Traficanté yep
You might want to check your pin weight because looking at what you have I think your over. If you ever get into a accident and they figure it out and your off YOU could lose everything you have . That 5th wheel looks like you need a Dooley 350 to be legal .
Terry Moline thanks for watching I have weighed and I am good. My trailer pin weight is between 1800-2000 depending on how we are loaded. Our truck being a F350 can handle way more. I am not at my truck right now but if I remember right my payload is over 3,000. With our 3/4 ton we were that is why we upgraded to a 1 ton. Now if we had a big 40 ft 5th wheel we would probably be over but ours is only 31 feet and around 10,000 lbs most of the time.
Nobody is going to say anything about the gorgeous mountains?
A few others noticed. 😂😂😂 It is a great view. Thanks for watching.
That’s not a shortbed though. That’s a standard bed. Shortbeds are the 5.5’.
Thanks for watching. I don’t think any manufacturers use a 5.5 in a 3/4 or 1 ton so this is the short or standard bed for this size of truck. I don’t know if a 5.5 bed would be able at all to tow a 5th wheel.
There is "0" reason to hit 90° or what you've seen in this video
FLOW'S BBQ thanks for watching. 99% of the time 90 degree turns are not needed but there have been a few tight rv parks that it would have been nice.
Flow's BBQ, Exactly what I was going to say.
Absolutely incorrect...I have to hit slightly more than this angle every time I enter my driveway. Clearly you haven’t maneuvered around with a 5th wheel too often.
@@admorris11 well let's see 40ft, 35ft, 30ft gooseneck, 25ft bumper triple axle tandem, 53ft semi floats, 53ft semi trailer is what I back up daily on the pipeline of side roads oh yeah I have 43ft Cyclone too.
@@admorris11 clearly you're trying to start an argument here. Clearly, your issue is specific to YOUR driveway. Clearly you should have thought about this when putting in your driveway. Clearly 99% of the time, that 1% being your weird driveway, there 0 reason to have to get even close to 90° in any park or in everyone else's driveways.
What brand 5th wheel do you have?
Todd Steele 2008 Carriage Domani
Would be helpful if you actually did this WITH a shirt bed truck….
This is the shortest bed truck Chevrolet makes for a 2500 or 3500. No point in doing a half ton with a shorter length because halftone don’t have the payload for 5th wheels for the most part. Thanks for watching.
Campers are a waste of money.
Different strokes for different folks. Thanks for watching.