Here is a simple thought, help the immigrant become compliant. We help the unemployed become employed. We help the homeless to have a home. We equip the hungry to not be so. Why not help people come into lawful compliance --> typically because that is a much more painful and long process. So the real matter; how willing are we to love the someone in a situation so tough it'll take more than the weekend handing out food, but rather a lengthy committed relationship?
Greetings from Ecuador. First let me say that I very much enjoy the content this channel puts out. It is a blessing. Keep up the good work and may God continue blessing you. Now to the subject of the video... I wholly agree that the church 's ministry is not limited by a person's legal status. Having said that, I don't agree with churches that have taken it upon themselves to go against the enforcement of the immigration laws put in place for the simple fact that they don't like the administration that is trying to enforce such laws. I have had many a discussion where a "brother" or "sister " has said that borders are not Godly and are in fact immoral. My argument to that is that a nation without borders is not a nation at all and most importantly laws that regulate entry into a nation are very much biblical. God Himself gives us an example of it when He puts forth that there is a law for a person to enter heaven, and that law is inviolate and a person complies with that law upon receiving salvation through His Grace.
"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God." Lev 19:34 (NASB) "Cursed is he who distorts the justice due an alien, orphan, and widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’" Duet 27:19 (NASB) "Treat others the same way you want them to treat you." Luke 6:31 (NASB) I know there are no easy or simple solutions. If the USA were under severe Christian persecution as so much of the world is, and Christians were seeking asylum in a foreign land, how would Christians want to be treated? There may be illegal immigrants who enter the country with malice, but the vast majority are people seeking a better life for their families. "Immigrants", "Illegal Immigrants", "Aliens" = Human Beings, Individuals, Families. Is the disdain because the law is being broken, or is it because the human beings are coming from impoverished countries and are of a different culture and skin tone? Would the outcry be the same if there was an influx of Caucasian human beings from European nations? I understand the concern, but I don't understand the hostility of some people. We, ourselves, are foreign to this world, strangers and exiles.
There is a line that is often difficult to navigate biblically. God warned ancient Israel about the desire for a king knowing full well that he would later call for the anointing of kings by his prophets as a sign of Christ's office of King. The kings were of the people and bore a responsibility to follow the law already established by God. Roman rule during the time of Jesus and apostles was different. These were not anointed by prophets under God's law and were separate from God's people, the Jews. Nevertheless, Jesus got Pilate to acknowledge that he had no authority other than what he had been given from above. Also, Paul wrote that the governing authorities were God's servants and that believers were to submit to them. This didn't mean obeying them over and against God's commands, but when this had to be done believers were to submit to their punishment as unjust as it may be. Interestingly, Paul wrote that even members of Caesar's household, servants at least, were coming to faith in Jesus Christ. Eventually, we know, Caesar himself, specifically Constantine, would declare Christianity to be the state religion. At that point, the Christian Church was wed to the state in the West. While the church enjoyed its own leadership, kings dabbled in church affairs and Popes dabbled in state affairs. In this sacral society, the state was not sanctified as we might think. Rather, the church was corrupted. The mission of the church and the mission of the state were conflated. While the corruption of the church was noted by the reformers, even Calvin maintained a certain cooperative relationship between the local government and the church. As the Reformation moved to the British Isles where the Church of England was sacrally wed to the state, the goal of many of the Puritans there was to work through Parliament to reform the churches. After some time and much frustration, many of them left for the New World to establish a reformed state church there. The solution to the problems of the church was thought by many to be state legislation. While the founding fathers were wise to codify a pluralistic society, it was understood that this could only work with a Christian worldview at its foundation. The problem is that we should never look to civil government for solving problems regarding the mission of the church. Today, we still have some input into our governments. We are wise to advocate for our Christian principles. However, we should never see the passage of civil laws as solutions. If we were to abolish abortion, for example, that would by no means fix the hearts of women intent on killing their own children. That can only be done by the Holy Spirit who uses the proclamation of the Gospel in his work of regeneration. This applies to illegal immigration. The problem with illegal immigration for the immigrants themselves is that being here illegally doesn't actually help them financially. They aren't protected by law because the law doesn't know who they are. They can walk into a hospital and get care, but they can't get preventative medicine. They may not pay taxes, but they can't buy a house or a car. They can't call the cops of someone tries to rob them or attack them without facing deportation. They can't get protection from unscrupulous employers that the state guarantees them. They have no appeal to justice. As for churches, we should meet their material needs as much as we can, but we are compelled to proclaim the Gospel to them. Anecdotally, we had an illegal alien in our town get caught and taken to jail to away deportation. We ministered to her there. She came to faith and came to accept her fate at the hands of the authorities. She then saw her mission in being deported to take the Gospel home with her and proclaim it there. If you want a microcosm of what we as Christians should do with illegal immigration, that young woman is an example. There is no comfort that the United States offers that in any way compares to the glory of Jesus Christ, and him proclaimed among the nations.
Jim Pemberton well said. Jesus alone can convict through His Spirit. The government does exist under God's authority so needs to be obeyed where it doesn't conflict with God's law. Therefore an illegal who claims Christianity as their faith is especially duty bound to obey our laws that call for non citizens to have proper documentation, or to go through the lawful citizenship process like anyone else who wants to be a naturalized citizen.
"The problem with illegal immigration for the immigrants themselves is that being here illegally doesn't actually help them financially." I disagree. I think you are failing to understand the circumstances they are fleeing. Many illegal immigrants do not want to leave their countries. How scary would it be for you to walk into a new culture, new language, with people who don't look like you, or behave like you? Many of these folks are leaving behind their families, children, spouses, etc. For what? In places like Mexico, farm workers can make around $6 a day. In the USA, they could make $6 an hour. They are increasing their income 6x. Wealthy foreign people can become immigrants or get legal documentation fairly easy. The problem is for the foreign poor peoples. The USA wants wealthy foreign engineers, business people, professors, surgeons, to come to the USA. Telling them to "do it legally" is no problem. Poor foreign people have an incredibly difficult time getting legal documentation. It's not as simple as just signing up, applying and your in! For the poor and unskilled, it can take years! For many of the worlds poor, years of living off $7 a day will result in the death of themselves, their children, and families. If you were grocery shopping and a young mother was stealing diapers and baby formula for her newborn what would you do? Would you minister to her about the importance about obeying law? Would you offer to pay on her behalf? Would you help her take steps to get a job and become self sufficient? Or send her off to jail and say, "Listen, you won't find comfort in what diapers or baby formula offer that compare to Jesus! This is your opportunity to minister to the prisoners while your in jail! Hope your prison sentence goes well ! bye! "
@@sharonlainhart3315 Thats ironic, how many of the "Christian' republicans that you worship have committed and continue to commit white collared crimes?
Jesus alone can convict through His Spirit. The government does exist under God's authority so needs to be obeyed where it doesn't conflict with God's law. Therefore an illegal who claims Christianity as their faith is especially duty bound to obey our laws that call for non citizens to have proper documentation, or to go through the lawful citizenship process like anyone else who wants to be a naturalized citizen. In the meantime as Christians we are to help them while using discernment so as to not enable immoral and illegal behavior leading to bigger problems for everyone.
@@cowpokejohnny3419 There are tons others, if you want to put your republican agenda over Christs' mission then go ahead 😂😂 If the lord is with us then who can be against us? definitely not the Republicans nor the Democrats
@@IIXLR8II Being lazy is a sin. The Gov'ts of the world create laws which enforce dishonest economic systems and promote conflicts and wars. These things force people to leave their home. Then these same Gov'ts create laws to handle those migrants. Some policies aappear Righteous but others not so. If satan creates a policy which looks good, should we follow it? If sinners who constantly create evil policy, create one that on the surface appears ok, should we go and follow them and their policy? Even using the term "illegal immigration" is a sin. God knows what is in the heart. Nobody will deceive God. People want to follow man's laws and also follow God's law while those of man are in direct conflict with God's law. It's these people (and especially politicians) never read The New Testament. What are the highest and most important rules to live by? It's right there in The New Testament! People harp on out of context interpretations of lesser rules breaking The Highest Two at the same time. This is the definition of neither hot nor cold.
And men who do that will give you 12 different answers. We’re not infallible, it’s human nature. There’s nothing wrong with asking people smarter than you, including in an ecclesiastical context.
Here is a simple thought, help the immigrant become compliant. We help the unemployed become employed. We help the homeless to have a home. We equip the hungry to not be so. Why not help people come into lawful compliance --> typically because that is a much more painful and long process. So the real matter; how willing are we to love the someone in a situation so tough it'll take more than the weekend handing out food, but rather a lengthy committed relationship?
How many tens of millions of people get to flood into our country?
Greetings from Ecuador. First let me say that I very much enjoy the content this channel puts out. It is a blessing. Keep up the good work and may God continue blessing you. Now to the subject of the video... I wholly agree that the church 's ministry is not limited by a person's legal status. Having said that, I don't agree with churches that have taken it upon themselves to go against the enforcement of the immigration laws put in place for the simple fact that they don't like the administration that is trying to enforce such laws. I have had many a discussion where a "brother" or "sister " has said that borders are not Godly and are in fact immoral. My argument to that is that a nation without borders is not a nation at all and most importantly laws that regulate entry into a nation are very much biblical. God Himself gives us an example of it when He puts forth that there is a law for a person to enter heaven, and that law is inviolate and a person complies with that law upon receiving salvation through His Grace.
Also, we must follow Romans 13:1. That verse would be a good defense against the argument you are hearing some people assert.
"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God." Lev 19:34 (NASB) "Cursed is he who distorts the justice due an alien, orphan, and widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’" Duet 27:19 (NASB) "Treat others the same way you want them to treat you." Luke 6:31 (NASB) I know there are no easy or simple solutions. If the USA were under severe Christian persecution as so much of the world is, and Christians were seeking asylum in a foreign land, how would Christians want to be treated? There may be illegal immigrants who enter the country with malice, but the vast majority are people seeking a better life for their families. "Immigrants", "Illegal Immigrants", "Aliens" = Human Beings, Individuals, Families. Is the disdain because the law is being broken, or is it because the human beings are coming from impoverished countries and are of a different culture and skin tone? Would the outcry be the same if there was an influx of Caucasian human beings from European nations? I understand the concern, but I don't understand the hostility of some people. We, ourselves, are foreign to this world, strangers and exiles.
What's wrong with wanting to uphold border justice and limit our immigration??
This frequent critic of Dr. Mohler agrees with him on this one.
Deuteronomy 10:19
Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
What part of illegal don't some people understand?
There is a line that is often difficult to navigate biblically. God warned ancient Israel about the desire for a king knowing full well that he would later call for the anointing of kings by his prophets as a sign of Christ's office of King. The kings were of the people and bore a responsibility to follow the law already established by God. Roman rule during the time of Jesus and apostles was different. These were not anointed by prophets under God's law and were separate from God's people, the Jews. Nevertheless, Jesus got Pilate to acknowledge that he had no authority other than what he had been given from above. Also, Paul wrote that the governing authorities were God's servants and that believers were to submit to them. This didn't mean obeying them over and against God's commands, but when this had to be done believers were to submit to their punishment as unjust as it may be.
Interestingly, Paul wrote that even members of Caesar's household, servants at least, were coming to faith in Jesus Christ. Eventually, we know, Caesar himself, specifically Constantine, would declare Christianity to be the state religion. At that point, the Christian Church was wed to the state in the West. While the church enjoyed its own leadership, kings dabbled in church affairs and Popes dabbled in state affairs. In this sacral society, the state was not sanctified as we might think. Rather, the church was corrupted. The mission of the church and the mission of the state were conflated. While the corruption of the church was noted by the reformers, even Calvin maintained a certain cooperative relationship between the local government and the church. As the Reformation moved to the British Isles where the Church of England was sacrally wed to the state, the goal of many of the Puritans there was to work through Parliament to reform the churches. After some time and much frustration, many of them left for the New World to establish a reformed state church there. The solution to the problems of the church was thought by many to be state legislation. While the founding fathers were wise to codify a pluralistic society, it was understood that this could only work with a Christian worldview at its foundation.
The problem is that we should never look to civil government for solving problems regarding the mission of the church. Today, we still have some input into our governments. We are wise to advocate for our Christian principles. However, we should never see the passage of civil laws as solutions. If we were to abolish abortion, for example, that would by no means fix the hearts of women intent on killing their own children. That can only be done by the Holy Spirit who uses the proclamation of the Gospel in his work of regeneration.
This applies to illegal immigration. The problem with illegal immigration for the immigrants themselves is that being here illegally doesn't actually help them financially. They aren't protected by law because the law doesn't know who they are. They can walk into a hospital and get care, but they can't get preventative medicine. They may not pay taxes, but they can't buy a house or a car. They can't call the cops of someone tries to rob them or attack them without facing deportation. They can't get protection from unscrupulous employers that the state guarantees them. They have no appeal to justice. As for churches, we should meet their material needs as much as we can, but we are compelled to proclaim the Gospel to them. Anecdotally, we had an illegal alien in our town get caught and taken to jail to away deportation. We ministered to her there. She came to faith and came to accept her fate at the hands of the authorities. She then saw her mission in being deported to take the Gospel home with her and proclaim it there. If you want a microcosm of what we as Christians should do with illegal immigration, that young woman is an example. There is no comfort that the United States offers that in any way compares to the glory of Jesus Christ, and him proclaimed among the nations.
Jim Pemberton well said. Jesus alone can convict through His Spirit. The government does exist under God's authority so needs to be obeyed where it doesn't conflict with God's law. Therefore an illegal who claims Christianity as their faith is especially duty bound to obey our laws that call for non citizens to have proper documentation, or to go through the lawful citizenship process like anyone else who wants to be a naturalized citizen.
"The problem with illegal immigration for the immigrants themselves is that being here illegally doesn't actually help them financially." I disagree. I think you are failing to understand the circumstances they are fleeing.
Many illegal immigrants do not want to leave their countries.
How scary would it be for you to walk into a new culture, new language, with people who don't look like you, or behave like you?
Many of these folks are leaving behind their families, children, spouses, etc. For what?
In places like Mexico, farm workers can make around $6 a day.
In the USA, they could make $6 an hour. They are increasing their income 6x.
Wealthy foreign people can become immigrants or get legal documentation fairly easy. The problem is for the foreign poor peoples. The USA wants wealthy foreign engineers, business people, professors, surgeons, to come to the USA. Telling them to "do it legally" is no problem.
Poor foreign people have an incredibly difficult time getting legal documentation. It's not as simple as just signing up, applying and your in!
For the poor and unskilled, it can take years! For many of the worlds poor, years of living off $7 a day will result in the death of themselves, their children, and families.
If you were grocery shopping and a young mother was stealing diapers and baby formula for her newborn what would you do?
Would you minister to her about the importance about obeying law? Would you offer to pay on her behalf? Would you help her take steps to get a job and become self sufficient?
Or send her off to jail and say,
"Listen, you won't find comfort in what diapers or baby formula offer that compare to Jesus! This is your opportunity to minister to the prisoners while your in jail! Hope your prison sentence goes well ! bye! "
@@Abc-cp6cb , you do know that Uncle Joe is taking care of them. They're given reloadable gift cards worth $5000.00 a month plus other freebies.
How about if this illegal immigrants is Christian too. Is it she or he is brother and sister too?
A Christian should not be doing anything illegal.
@@sharonlainhart3315 like healing people on the sabbath?
@@sharonlainhart3315 Thats ironic, how many of the "Christian' republicans that you worship have committed and continue to commit white collared crimes?
@@sharonlainhart3315MLK? He’s bad then in you understanding? Human made laws are more important than the commandments?
@@sharonlainhart3315 BUT what if they don't know the laws of that country?
Jesus alone can convict through His Spirit. The government does exist under God's authority so needs to be obeyed where it doesn't conflict with God's law. Therefore an illegal who claims Christianity as their faith is especially duty bound to obey our laws that call for non citizens to have proper documentation, or to go through the lawful citizenship process like anyone else who wants to be a naturalized citizen. In the meantime as Christians we are to help them while using discernment so as to not enable immoral and illegal behavior leading to bigger problems for everyone.
The American law goes against Gods law on this one. My people where killed for this land and forced to sell the land for Pennies
@@jonquintana1 how so and which people is that if Texas belongs to the u.s not Mexico !
@@cowpokejohnny3419 james k polk obtained texas from mexico in a very immoral business deal. But im sure you know that so why are you even asking that
@@jonquintana1 I have no idea what you just said
@@cowpokejohnny3419 the mexican american war? When the us obtained the southwest from mexico?
Leviticus 24:22
You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.”
Stop trying to justify illegal immigration with with one verse .
@@cowpokejohnny3419 There are tons others, if you want to put your republican agenda over Christs' mission then go ahead 😂😂 If the lord is with us then who can be against us? definitely not the Republicans nor the Democrats
@@bigdiccmario what's so funny ?? Why put that idiotic smiley face in your comment ??
@@bigdiccmario Illegal immigration is wrong plain and simple .
@@bigdiccmario Romans 13 says to submit to the governing authorities
Maybe by building a wall,God allowed us to deal with covid? Now we are short of 700,000 plus! Now we need help from young workers?
@@IIXLR8II Being lazy is a sin.
The Gov'ts of the world create laws which enforce dishonest economic systems and promote conflicts and wars. These things force people to leave their home. Then these same Gov'ts create laws to handle those migrants. Some policies aappear Righteous but others not so. If satan creates a policy which looks good, should we follow it? If sinners who constantly create evil policy, create one that on the surface appears ok, should we go and follow them and their policy?
Even using the term "illegal immigration" is a sin. God knows what is in the heart. Nobody will deceive God.
People want to follow man's laws and also follow God's law while those of man are in direct conflict with God's law. It's these people (and especially politicians) never read The New Testament. What are the highest and most important rules to live by? It's right there in The New Testament!
People harp on out of context interpretations of lesser rules breaking The Highest Two at the same time. This is the definition of neither hot nor cold.
You’re being told what to think. You don’t just read your Bible and then ask the Spirit? Man will give you 12 different answers.
And men who do that will give you 12 different answers. We’re not infallible, it’s human nature. There’s nothing wrong with asking people smarter than you, including in an ecclesiastical context.