Thank-you. That answeres a couple of questions from your original chat. But I still wonder if the original Converter will properly charge the lithium battery. We have a 3 year old 35 ft Grand Design "Fiver". (Beautiful Solitude model). We do not boon dock camp.
@@NomadicNative Yes. a Converter by WFCO . .Ultra III WF-9800. 3 Stage Absorbtion, Bulk, and Float modes. Output is 13.6 VDC in Absorbtion Mode... 4 hours max in Bulk mode at 14.4 VDC Trickle is 13.2 VDC. We do not boon dock.. but in a power outage .. would like more than a 50% discharge limit. We have seen 2 hr. Power outages. I have actually connected our 1 ton dually old school 7.3 up to help out.
@@pilot3016I think it would be worth the effort to run that by the battery manufacturer to get a correct answer. I had the advantage of buying mine direct & in person. With my Magnum it was easy, just upgrade to control head, yours may be different.
Talked to battle born, was quoted over 10k for the house system. Currently on golf cart batteries. 2k to replace the lead acid. Did go lithium iron, but a different company due to cost.
Great video! lithium is still very confusing and misunderstood by many folks, it's like Black Magic or something. This video helps people wrap their heads around what to prepare for and better understand the workings of this lithium sorcery lol.
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I did the 'drop in' with Battle Born's 2 months ago, on my '08 Tiffin motorhome, and bought the Victron BMV-712 with bluetooth at the same time. I installed 3 of the Lithium batteries, with room for more if the need arises. We do have a residential fridge, so adding at least one more is probably a good guess! I have the OEM Xantrex Inverter/converter charger, and it's doing it's thing, keeping my batteries at about 13.7 volts most of the time, as we're currently at home with the coach plugged into 30A here at home. Not mentioned in this particular video, is any information on how much 'more' the Lithium batteries can pull in via solar, generator or shore power! With my Onan generator, my BB batteries will pull 100 amps of power, so they charge quite quickly! Watching my Victron monitor, the volts climb fairly quickly resulting in a speedy 'charge up' compared to the slow charging of lead/acid batteries. It's important to remember another tidbit of information as a side note....since Lithium will take so many amps at a time, when driving, it's apparently hard on your Alternator putting out full amperage constantly until full charge too, so I'm installing a new 'Battery Isolator' BIM 225 Isolator (Google it if you wish) which will help your alternator by only allowing the full power output to 15 minutes I believe it is, and then it will give your alternator a rest, before once again allowing it to charge up the batteries. Now, as an addition, this particular battery isolator also charges your chassis batteries fully (depending on the length of trip and how long your driving of course). Battle Born sells this battery Isolator, and they're also sold on Amazon. As for 'cold weather' explained in this video, some are adding warming blankets that fit around the batteries, and others are insulating their storage cabinets (probably both are good ideas) of which I'll need to do. The batteries will drain down some in keeping themselves warm, so you have to keep that in consideration as well. I love the Victron monitor, as it shows the exact amps, volts and watts, and shows how many 'amp hours' are being used presently! So far, loving the upgrade! If others have any other tips on running with Lithium, please feel free to add it as a comment! I don't have solar as of yet, but that's another option at some point! Let's not forget as well, BB batteries are 1/3 the weight of lead/acid.
@@countryflyer4536 Not in the long run. Much longer life cycle and they are getting cheaper every day. You can run them much lower than other batteries as well without damaging them. They were a game changer for boondocking, for us.
Hi Matt, Just channel surfing, quick question, did you try Volta? And did you talk to winnebago. It seems lithium needs to be warmed if it ever stops working. They put heating pads to warm up the batteries if it gets too cold. Anyways, interesting video with your experience with lithium. At least that's what I saw on their new Boldt, travato 59 gl and kl
Ari Casual I think the B.B. low temp cutoff is 24 degrees, below that they won’t take a charge. If ya ever catch me in my RV in 24 degree weather, call an ambulance please cause something has gone terribly wrong, ha!
Great video Matt! This is off topic, but I had a little accident when I got home, and it never pays to panic. I went through the gate, stopped and locked it. I have a sewer dump out back, pulled up to it, hooked the hose up, pulled the black water valve and the hose came off. I was drenched with black water. Ran to the garden hose, no water (I turn the water off at the meter when I'm gone, the meter is on the next road over). Ran to the gate, I left my keys in the RV, ran back and got them, ran to the meter, turned the water on, ran back to the house, jumped in the shower then realized, I was at the RV when it happened. There's a shower and change of clothes inside. I laugh now, but believe me at the time it happened it was not funny at all.
I have a 1991 Foretravel Unihome GrandVilla RV. I would like to switch out my 8D house batteries to Battle Born. I recently added Solar with 2200 Watt 12V Pure Sine wave inverter and a 40A MPPT solar charge controller. I want to keep my 8D starting battery. Are there extra components that would be needed? Would the alternator on the diesel motor need to be replaced? Your video is very helpful. Thank you.
Kevin Pearson thanks for watching! Any answer I give would be pure speculation as I don’t know your equipment. My best recommendation is to call battle born directly, they will be able to give you all the details. Safe travels.
Great update Matt, While talking to the executives from Battle Born when I was at NomadFEST, a battery monitor (Victron BMV-712) is a must for anyone taking that leap to (BB) Lithium's. Awesome explanation!
Tim Rover I like our Trimetric 2030A but I wish it was Bluetooth enabled like the Victron. Tim your countdown to full time is in full swing now isn’t it? Hope to see you out here next year!
I'm curious as well...I didn't but my monitor showsv that I don't charge very fast. I suspect it's because the converter is reading the battery almost full when it's really not.
Great question. I am seriously trying to find out this same thing about the converter/charger. No one reply's back. I thought it was a simple question. Will I need a new converter/charger? When boondocking will I need to run my generator for 15 hours for charging on an OEM converter/charger? If you got the answer please let me know. thanks.
Thanks for the info. I have done the simple drop in swap to Lithium and have noticed a problem maybe you know something about. I have a new 2020 Pinnacle 5th wheel with two 190watt solar panels and 4 Lion Energy Lithium batteries. I noticed when plugged into shore power my batteries are not charging. I don't think they are loosing power but definitely not charging to 100%. I know this because each battery has a indication light of % of charge on each battery. So I ran a test and pulled the camper outside on a nice sunny day and no shore power hooked up and the batteries all began to indicate they were charging. My solar controller has a lithium setting but I am not sure about the settings on my inverter/converter. I am talking with my dealer and it is scheduled for service next month but trying to stay educated on the issue. Thanks for any insight you may have on the matter.
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I've thought about changing to Lithium batteries but don't think it's worth it for us. RV Geeks did a great presentation at the Escapees event on them (video posted) and even covered when it may not be worth it. We don't have 12v but 16-6v batteries. To replace them with 8 Lithium would be close to $8,000. We just don't boondock enough to justify that cost.
I wouldn’t think about it until your current batteries are at the end of life then it would be more like $7592 - ($144 x 16) or $2304 (lowes price) or $5288 + $200 for a update battery monitor and about 800lbs of cargo capacity availble in your rig.
But you wouldn't need 8 lithium. Probably 4 would cover the lead acid, because lead acid is less efficient and limited to about 50% DOD - unless you're looking to increase capacity. However - I wouldn't replace what you have unless they were dead or causing issues.
Thanks for the video, it was informative and let me add another point: I called Battle Born after an rv tech told me my current converter will not fully charge the lithiums. BB confirmed I need to either put in a new converter or add an additional charger as my Parallax Power Supply 65 amp converter will only charge the new lithiums to 11.6. They recommended purchasing the Progressive Dynamics 9145 which will top off the charge to the recommended 100% status with 14.2 to 14.6 volts. That charger is $225. So, I am now looking to replace the coach converter instead of adding the additional one.
Good explanation. The battery monitor should be the first upgrade to any electrical system whether you plan on upgrading or not. Even with flooded batteries, knowing your state of charge as a percentage as well as knowing what your consumption numbers are is important and will probably extend the useful life of any battery bank. I use the Bogart Engineering one as it was cheaper than the Victron one (no BT). Great video!
There are other manufacturers that include built-in Battery Management Systems that are accessed via Blutooth and included in the purchase price - nothing extra required to purchase.
Great video. I am looking at the battle born battery as a switch to my lead acid. I am nowhere near the boondocking phase like I would like to be. We still travel to destinations and stay at campgrounds with full hook ups. I want to be able to power our refrigerator while traveling (electric). I know I will need the battery and possibly an inverter and now probably the monitor you mentioned. Still researching and waiting to hear back from Battle Born what I need to achieve what I want to do. Thanks
Robert Newman you’re right. You will need the batteries, an inverter, and a way of monitoring the battery state of charge which, depending on the inverter, may be included on its control module that’s mounted in the RV. Once you have it installed & working you’re really gonna love the extra bit of freedom it gives you! Thanks for watching!!
Thanks for sharing. It will be interesting to hear how you feel after you have had them for a year and have a better sense of how they are preforming for your RV. Happy trails.
I put mine in a 2" Celotex box with a low watt heated mat on a thermostat set to switch on at 2c - in truth when they are in use they warm themselves up above the ambient temperature - one trick i learned from a Norwegian biker is to put a load on the system that warms them enough to charge - he put his headlight on for 5 min then hit the start button
Thank you for the great video . A very good heads up before I upgrade. Just curious about the charge controller for the Lithium vs agm? Do you have to upgrade the controller also? Thanks again for the great heads up.
Mike Kennedy I didn’t have to change charge controllers but I did upgrade the magnum inverter control to the RC-50 (if I recall correctly). Works great!
I called Samlex, the solar charge controller manufacturer and they said I had to change the dip switch positions on the back of the controller for the lithium batteries. I have been dry camping for two weeks using solar and generator. On a few occasions the battery charge reached 14.4.
Hey Matt just seen you drive through Lake Havasu a design where the fireworks are going on for sure that was your unit about 9 to 930 at night on February 15
sounds like a cash flow problem to me im getting a liesure travel serenity getting aa iduction cooktop /under hood generator /remove all propane etc if it cost 20k it will shock me parts/labor have to be paid
Hey Matt, thank you for the kind words and for letting Sabrina's secret out lol. She comes up with some doozies😂🤣 Excellent video on what to expect with the lithium batteries and how you may spend a little more than what one would first calculate. I would also like to add something about the Victron battery monitor system. The ability to check the status on the phones have made us both addicted to see what the batteries are doing at all times, especially since we have now added two 100 watt solar panels to do more boondocking. Who knew it is was so fun to watch the amps come in from the solar panels and see our batteries refill lol. We always have a good time while hanging out with you guys and look forward to seeing you again😁
Hi Matt, we are considering BB Lithium for our Winnebago Journey 40R. It has a 160 AMP alternator charging fron the engine just like your Forza. Did you install the BIM Li-Ion Battery Isolation Manager on your unit? BB is recommending that we do, but I can't find anyone anywhere that knows how or where to install it !!!
Roy Somers no Sir, the only thing I’ve changed is the control head for the magnum inverter. If you’re on Facebook, Brian Boone is who you want to find. If anyone out here knows where & why your system needs it, my guess is it’s him. Hope that helps, but as for me, other than changing the inverter control head the BB’s were drop in replacements.
@@NomadicNative Thanks Matt, I really appreciate your reply. The is so much ambiguous information out there on LI battery systems that it's hard to make an informed choice. We are looking at pretty much exactly same setup as you have in your Forza, so if you haven't had any issues with you're alternator, I'm confident we wouldn't either. I'm really hesitant to alter the somewhat compex system that Winnebago and Freightliner already has in place. Thanks again, all the best to you and yours, and keep the good videos coming !!
Another basic upgrade to is some old alternators won't shut down in time and they'll burn up when you're trying to charge a good set of lithium batteries because they take so much More voltage instantly so you're going to end up replacing it to $300 alternator check that out
Nice Job explaining the little things. I agree a Victron battery monitor would be a must. And I agree Kenny and Sabrina are great people. Stay safe and happy travels, Lou
Thomas McLaughlin you can upgrade, but you don't necessarily have to. For example, the progressive 9245 I have can be managed with a charge wizard dongle to work well with BB's. The BB are pretty flexible.
Wow Great Info mate 👍👍👍 Been looking into buying a lithium 12v camping setup and I had no idea about the ambient temperature affecting charging abilities on the lithium batteries. Cheers mate and Happy Travels
Thank you for the information. Another expense I was not aware of. I am just looking at lithium as I have to replace my 4 - 6v 5 year old coach batteries. $600 for lead acid and a lot of distilled water or ? How is your charge controller handling them? I stopped plugging the coach in while stored and use a 100 watt portable solar panel with controller to keep them charged.
Great video thanks. I have been asking around about a new converter/charger for the lithium and no one responds. QUESTION. I assume the basic OEM converter/charger may work to charge the batteries but what about other options for faster charging if you have to hook up the generator and don't want it running for 12 hours to charge them? Thanks
Hi! We didn’t change our Magnum converter/charger, just upgraded its control head to the programmable version, RC-50 (I think). Lithium batteries charge faster as is, nothing more to add. If we’re running off grid & auto gen start kicks the generator on tho charge our 4 batteries it only runs for a little over an hour give or take a little. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this information. We are also doing the slow move to lithium but were aware of both of these concerns. I can see where most people would not know about this.
For the poor amongst us, I managed to get 60Ah pouch batteries from a local guy for £70 each. Sure you have to solder on your own connections, balancer boards and box it but I can do that for under £5. I also managed to pick up 2x300W solar panels for £100 each and a 50A MPPT charger for £100. If you don't mind doing a lot of your own work and learning new skills, it doesn't have to be expensive and the advantage of doing it yourself is that you know how to fix it.
What about in a motorhome when the alternator is outing out over 14 volt for long periods of time into you LI batteries NOT GOOD There’s a device that shuts off the voltage with a relay to protect from overcharging. I would link it but cannot on this format
Mitch Mills from what I understand the BMS inside each battery will not allow the battery to be over charged. It’ll shut down the incoming charge to protect itself in the same way it does at 24 degrees, but I’m not 100% on this so I will call B.B. & ask about it, thanks!
Randy Farnsworth hi, not that I’m aware of on our RV. We’ve made it back to Oklahoma now & everything seems to be working per the norm. One thing I really like about these batteries is the built in management system that protects the battery from people like me, ha!
Harold Kohl that would be great! The Magnum inverter/charger works well but I don’t think it’s optimized for lithium. As for solar charge controllers I’m still thinking of upgrading to the 85 amp Victron with Bluetooth. Thanks for watching!
I've installed Battle Born batteries they are the best! But now a few years later I have added batteries to my rig so that I have now 600-amp hours of lithium. 200-amp hours of Zoomagoo and1 Chin's 100 amp-hour smart battery with internal heating. About $1,000 each for the battle-born $500 each for the Zoomagoo. And $550 for The chins smart battery. chims has a regular smart battery without the heating feature for 350.00. chance is an excellent battery! I said all this to say that there are good batteries out there and the price of lithium is coming down. I have the majority of my battery is located underneath the sink area of my class C real close to the panels I have to heat that compartment with small 500 watt heaters during the cold weather. The chins self-heating battery is the way to go! I was thinking about getting some heating pads that you would put on a water tank like I did for my water tank the heat up to 68 degrees and put them around the batteries maybe that would be a more easy way to keep them warm in cold weather. But it is a challenge keeping the batteries warm. And I have spent $80 on a renogy battery monitor that I accidentally shorted out and ruined.. and then I spent $8 on a little state of charge meter that does the same thing.
Will your regular converter work with lithium batteries? My thought... 2 6V batteries cost me about 400 bucks and last 5 or so years, if im careful. 1 lithium gives me about the same amp hours and has a 10 year warranty! So theyre probably going to last longer. So, it may all end up a flush, and maybe better off if when I boondock more
We picked up some Battleborn batteries recently (still sitting in their boxes) of which I chose to get the Victron monitor you mentioned as well! But, I have the Xantrex (I believe it's a 2000 watt inverter), and I'd like to try to figure out if there are particular settings I should change within the coaches 'remote monitor' which in our coach sits above the drivers seat...giving the Lithium batteries the best efficient charge? I'm unsure as well, about if the charge controller within the Xantrex Inverter will work perfectly with the Lithium batteries, in charging the Battleborns properly, but also changing my chassis AGM batteries efficiently? I'd like to solve these, and any other possibilities prior to installing my batteries of course. Thanks for the video, explaining the importance of the Victron controller as well, as I can see how it could be overlooked by some folks!
Another possible hickup... some RV/travel trailers come with a charger/converter that won't fully charge lithium. Our brand new Winnebago has a WFCO 8955 that works for sla and agm but not lithium
We just purchase a 2019 Grand Design Reflection 28bh. We want to install 2-4 battle born batteries and eventually 6-8. I have 550 watts of new renogy solar panels to put on the roof and a Yamaha 2000i generator to charge batteries is poor weather. We want to be table to boondock where ever we want.
Good info, I'm going to stick with my old school lead acid batteries for at least the next 5 years. Lithium is about 10 times more expensive than my descent lead acid batteries. Heck in 5 years I'm betting the price will be significantly lower than it is today. I'm getting at least 5 years out of my lead acid battery bank as it is. Thanks for the info.
WannaBFree no doubt our T105 bank has years of use left in it, it’s only 2 years old, but we’ve not had to run the generator in over a week & that’s awesome!! We gave the T105 battery bank to a friend of ours, Joshua Tree Jim, for his new to him class A.
When I'm buying something new, that I don't know much about, I look around until I find someone that I trust. Who knows their business. And I buy the products from them. Sure it cost a little more, but I don't run into those unexpected "oops" that always occur when you buy stuff mail order. Welcome to 2020
The drop in replacement batteries are false advertising, I got some and then had to change my mppt after spending a lot on the batteries and also had to change my meter for soc, I’ve got a new van now and it has agm batteries but I wanted lithium,so instead of getting so called drop in replacements and changing everything , I went with a goal zero yeti 3000 which is 280 ah lithium,it has everything , a meter that tells me hours to go ,percentage of the battery and how much solar is going in, and how much power is going out,a 1500 watt inverter with 3000 watt start up , an mppt and it’s own bms, so all I did was connect my solar cable straight into it and my fridge, , and everything else still runs off the agms, I can connect my shore power cord directly into the yeti and run everything including microwave and aircon and charge my agms at the same time ,it’s all in one box and I can take it out if I ever upgrade ,
yeah, really need to investigate what charge controller / charger you have, make sure it has a "lithium ion" setting or can custom set parameters. If using Battleborn, consult them for details with your specific charger / controller, or if another brand, get some edumacation.
The first two words of the video title are “RV Life”, not “Instructional Video”. The difference is in how much you paid for it. An RV Life video with pertinent info included is free, if you want an instructional video from me you’ll have to pay for it ... see the difference? Thanks for watching!
If you don't like the content (or intro) you're free to skip ahead, or watch another video. I think the question I have is "why is it that people have to be so rude when commenting on a video?" Go troll somewhere else.
I wouldn’t consider lithium a “drop in” solution since you need a battery monitor and most likely a new charge controller. Thanks for the video, I didn’t think of the battery monitor
My only comment is if you have a travel trailer with LA's and want to convert to Lithium you will probably need to change your charger as well as most LA chargers don't work properly charging Lithium batteries
Full charge on LifePO4 would be 3.6V x 4 or 14.4V. Full charge on lead acid 14.1V (6 x 2.35V). Most chargers won't go that high to protect the battery. The discharge curve on a LiFePO4 is way flatter (as you say) until it's about 90% discharged. What's more you probably don't want to take it below 90% too often - keeping the battery between 10% and 90% DOD will result in much longer lifespan. Keeping them between 20% and 80% DOD even more. To properly monitor capacity on LiFePO4 you need to monitor current and voltage and subtract amp hours from a known state of charge. The meter also has to be intelligent enough to adjust capacity depending on load - higher loads will reduce capacity, although LiFePO4 is way more tolerant than lead acid. Victron are nice, a bit on the expensive side - although given the cost of the batteries it may be worth springing for the additional $180 - $230, especially considering it monitors battery temperature as well (important with Battleborns and other drop in replacements). There are cheaper alternatives but they're not as plug and play. And having said all that, the monitoring systems on most lead acid systems are very basic and can also give you misreads as they only monitor voltage. So springing for a decent battery monitor is probably something that everyone should have, regardless of chemistry.
Btw your replaced lead acid batteries will take a charge below 24. However, unlike the protected from dumb things you can do to it Battleborn battery, your lead acid battery will be permanently damaged and have less capacity in the future. Not allowing charging below 24 is software controlled to protect your expensive battery.
I wonder how many people waste their money on these batteries because they believe this misnomer of "drop-in". None of them can be just dropped in - you need lithium specific charger/converter and solar controller or you will ruin them in short order. They only bulk charge and need 14.4-14.6 volts. Alternator charging generally works OK.
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Co. A ,702nd maint Bn. 2nd. Inf. Div. Camp Casey Korea 1986-87 Mend the broken sword. . We picked up a 2016 Host Mammoth - 2- 12v lead bat. starting to weep and get acid in the compartment, set out, cleaned up put some paint down and thinking before in get new battery d-4, ummm is there an over charging going on with our stock rig - the camper is plugged into the wall / bad battery / Budget Battery's are just that and it is time ? get 4 optimum and lay in there parallel ?? maybe stack a couple d-4 Lithium ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Have a solar plug on out side- it just goes straight to the battery thought about a solar panel or 2 , like the flexible I could put on roof and go over the front some to use open space and not cover things up.- get sun light by parking directly and keep battery box to the aft of primary sun light for heat reduction some. .................. What charges the Lithium (stock on board the camper from 110v) ( The pick-up when plugged in is charging as well) and then when using the inverter if that needs changed out. Will be at Quartzsite for Camper Rally in Feb. 2023 , Today is October 4th 2022, have a little time to do it --- If you are familiar with the Mammoth--- if you know about them any, I cold use a a hand holding with this up grade - If your not able to- not a problem. Iam glade to see some one from the 2nd.
a loooooong video illustrating just one issue, then not explaining the solution for that issue very well. Simply Battle Born batteries, which are of one type of Lithium batteries (LiFePO4), have different charge vs voltage profiles from lead-acid batteries so you need to measure their status by other than basic voltage levels. (sums up the information in the video in - 10 seconds?) But that's no big deal because astute users of lead-acid batteries have been measuring status the same different way for ages - often with that same Victron BVM-712 monitor the video mentioned. These devices, in conjunction a shunt at the negative side of the batteries, count the energy going both in and going out of the batteries and use that to determine how much charge is left - and expressing that result as a percentage; it counts energy change, not the voltage that results. If you have a pair of 100Ah Battle Borns, wired in parallel and the monitor counts that 60Ah have been used then it reports the charge level as being 70%. But the charge monitoring process of the device works the same for for either type of battery. In practice, these monitors also report voltage and keeping an eye on both charge level and voltage can alert you to problems with a battery too. But the problem is more with the way cheap-and-nasty gauges report charge levels rather than the battery type. For ages, people have been done in by those dumb lights with old style, lead-acid batteries too. Yes, not fair that the vehicle is supplied with such cheap gauges but that's not the battery manufacturer's fault as far as can see.
Anytime you upgrade your batteries to a lithium system you need to upgrade your battery monitoring system. If you're running lithium batteries without a BMS you're only looking for trouble. Or even worse catastrophic failure..
LifeBlue have a built-in Battery Management System that is accessed via BluTooth - no extra cost involved. I believe the same for ReLion batteries too. I'm referring to the drop-in replacement batteries.
Yeah, no. You can't replace your beat up Pinto with an F8 and then proceed to treat the F8 like a Pinto. Just no. People want solutions where they don't have to think, but that's the straight path to losing money. Do your homework ahead of time.
GoatZilla I agree, but it doesn’t help at all when the company advertises the battery as a “drop in replacement” for standard 12 volt batteries. Thanks for watching!
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Way too much jibber jabber. Not helpful or informative. There are other videos that get to the point and explain lithium much better. Changing channel now 😏
Thank-you. That answeres a couple of questions from your original chat. But I still wonder if the original Converter will properly charge the lithium battery. We have a 3 year old 35 ft Grand Design "Fiver". (Beautiful Solitude model). We do not boon dock camp.
Do you know which converter/charger you have installed??
@@NomadicNative Yes. a Converter by WFCO .
.Ultra III WF-9800. 3 Stage Absorbtion, Bulk, and Float modes. Output is 13.6 VDC in Absorbtion Mode... 4 hours max in Bulk mode at 14.4 VDC Trickle is 13.2 VDC. We do not boon dock.. but in a power outage .. would like more than a 50% discharge limit. We have seen 2 hr. Power outages. I have actually connected our 1 ton dually old school 7.3 up to help out.
@@pilot3016I think it would be worth the effort to run that by the battery manufacturer to get a correct answer. I had the advantage of buying mine direct & in person. With my Magnum it was easy, just upgrade to control head, yours may be different.
Talked to battle born, was quoted over 10k for the house system. Currently on golf cart batteries. 2k to replace the lead acid. Did go lithium iron, but a different company due to cost.
Noticed your hat. Thanks for your service. I have one with the same patch from Camp Casey Korea in the 70's. The duce is loose!
clpoelker I was over the hill at Camp Hovey when we weren’t up on the DMZ. Thanks for your service!
Great video! lithium is still very confusing and misunderstood by many folks, it's like Black Magic or something. This video helps people wrap their heads around what to prepare for and better understand the workings of this lithium sorcery lol.
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I did the 'drop in' with Battle Born's 2 months ago, on my '08 Tiffin motorhome, and bought the Victron BMV-712 with bluetooth at the same time. I installed 3 of the Lithium batteries, with room for more if the need arises. We do have a residential fridge, so adding at least one more is probably a good guess! I have the OEM Xantrex Inverter/converter charger, and it's doing it's thing, keeping my batteries at about 13.7 volts most of the time, as we're currently at home with the coach plugged into 30A here at home. Not mentioned in this particular video, is any information on how much 'more' the Lithium batteries can pull in via solar, generator or shore power! With my Onan generator, my BB batteries will pull 100 amps of power, so they charge quite quickly! Watching my Victron monitor, the volts climb fairly quickly resulting in a speedy 'charge up' compared to the slow charging of lead/acid batteries. It's important to remember another tidbit of information as a side note....since Lithium will take so many amps at a time, when driving, it's apparently hard on your Alternator putting out full amperage constantly until full charge too, so I'm installing a new 'Battery Isolator' BIM 225 Isolator (Google it if you wish) which will help your alternator by only allowing the full power output to 15 minutes I believe it is, and then it will give your alternator a rest, before once again allowing it to charge up the batteries. Now, as an addition, this particular battery isolator also charges your chassis batteries fully (depending on the length of trip and how long your driving of course). Battle Born sells this battery Isolator, and they're also sold on Amazon. As for 'cold weather' explained in this video, some are adding warming blankets that fit around the batteries, and others are insulating their storage cabinets (probably both are good ideas) of which I'll need to do. The batteries will drain down some in keeping themselves warm, so you have to keep that in consideration as well. I love the Victron monitor, as it shows the exact amps, volts and watts, and shows how many 'amp hours' are being used presently! So far, loving the upgrade! If others have any other tips on running with Lithium, please feel free to add it as a comment! I don't have solar as of yet, but that's another option at some point! Let's not forget as well, BB batteries are 1/3 the weight of lead/acid.
And 10 times more expensive!!!!
@@countryflyer4536 lithium cost less than sla or agm
@@countryflyer4536 Not in the long run. Much longer life cycle and they are getting cheaper every day. You can run them much lower than other batteries as well without damaging them. They were a game changer for boondocking, for us.
Great video Matt, we have our eyes on those batteries in the next couple of months before we go full time. :).
You also need a Li-Bim 225 to protect the alternator on your motor home.
Hi Matt,
Just channel surfing, quick question, did you try Volta? And did you talk to winnebago. It seems lithium needs to be warmed if it ever stops working. They put heating pads to warm up the batteries if it gets too cold.
Anyways, interesting video with your experience with lithium.
At least that's what I saw on their new Boldt, travato 59 gl and kl
Ari Casual I think the B.B. low temp cutoff is 24 degrees, below that they won’t take a charge. If ya ever catch me in my RV in 24 degree weather, call an ambulance please cause something has gone terribly wrong, ha!
Great video Matt! This is off topic, but I had a little accident when I got home, and it never pays to panic. I went through the gate, stopped and locked it. I have a sewer dump out back, pulled up to it, hooked the hose up, pulled the black water valve and the hose came off. I was drenched with black water. Ran to the garden hose, no water (I turn the water off at the meter when I'm gone, the meter is on the next road over). Ran to the gate, I left my keys in the RV, ran back and got them, ran to the meter, turned the water on, ran back to the house, jumped in the shower then realized, I was at the RV when it happened. There's a shower and change of clothes inside. I laugh now, but believe me at the time it happened it was not funny at all.
Joshua Tree Jim oh no!! Hope it’s okay now.
You must have been smoking some good stuff! Lol!
I have a 1991 Foretravel Unihome GrandVilla RV. I would like to switch out my 8D house batteries to Battle Born. I recently added Solar with 2200 Watt 12V Pure Sine wave inverter and a 40A MPPT solar charge controller. I want to keep my 8D starting battery. Are there extra components that would be needed? Would the alternator on the diesel motor need to be replaced? Your video is very helpful. Thank you.
Kevin Pearson thanks for watching! Any answer I give would be pure speculation as I don’t know your equipment. My best recommendation is to call battle born directly, they will be able to give you all the details. Safe travels.
Great update Matt, While talking to the executives from Battle Born when I was at NomadFEST, a battery monitor (Victron BMV-712) is a must for anyone taking that leap to (BB) Lithium's. Awesome explanation!
Tim Rover I like our Trimetric 2030A but I wish it was Bluetooth enabled like the Victron. Tim your countdown to full time is in full swing now isn’t it? Hope to see you out here next year!
sounds like the long way of saying his budget did not expect this
@@r.d.r7658 Ha’ You telling me! 1000.00 per battery, I’m good for right now! 😅👍🏼
I thought you had to get a new converter also to correctly charge the new lithium (LiFePO4) batteries when on an electrical hookup.
I'm curious as well...I didn't but my monitor showsv that I don't charge very fast. I suspect it's because the converter is reading the battery almost full when it's really not.
Great question. I am seriously trying to find out this same thing about the converter/charger. No one reply's back. I thought it was a simple question. Will I need a new converter/charger? When boondocking will I need to run my generator for 15 hours for charging on an OEM converter/charger? If you got the answer please let me know. thanks.
Thanks for the info. I have done the simple drop in swap to Lithium and have noticed a problem maybe you know something about. I have a new 2020 Pinnacle 5th wheel with two 190watt solar panels and 4 Lion Energy Lithium batteries. I noticed when plugged into shore power my batteries are not charging. I don't think they are loosing power but definitely not charging to 100%. I know this because each battery has a indication light of % of charge on each battery. So I ran a test and pulled the camper outside on a nice sunny day and no shore power hooked up and the batteries all began to indicate they were charging. My solar controller has a lithium setting but I am not sure about the settings on my inverter/converter. I am talking with my dealer and it is scheduled for service next month but trying to stay educated on the issue. Thanks for any insight you may have on the matter.
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Great advise for anyone interested in purchasing drop-in lithium batteries!
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I’ve recently been considering BB lithium’s. Had no idea they kept such a high voltage until almost completely dead. Great info to know. Thank you
Great explanation Matt! Thanks for the update.
Start a own Generator? ~ 100 Amp?
I've thought about changing to Lithium batteries but don't think it's worth it for us. RV Geeks did a great presentation at the Escapees event on them (video posted) and even covered when it may not be worth it. We don't have 12v but 16-6v batteries. To replace them with 8 Lithium would be close to $8,000. We just don't boondock enough to justify that cost.
Roy Davis I think that’s a good call Roy. If you’re not off grid much then it’s probably not worth the expense.
I wouldn’t think about it until your current batteries are at the end of life then it would be more like $7592 - ($144 x 16) or $2304 (lowes price) or $5288 + $200 for a update battery monitor and about 800lbs of cargo capacity availble in your rig.
But you wouldn't need 8 lithium. Probably 4 would cover the lead acid, because lead acid is less efficient and limited to about 50% DOD - unless you're looking to increase capacity. However - I wouldn't replace what you have unless they were dead or causing issues.
Thanks for the video, it was informative and let me add another point: I called Battle Born after an rv tech told me my current converter will not fully charge the lithiums. BB confirmed I need to either put in a new converter or add an additional charger as my Parallax Power Supply 65 amp converter will only charge the new lithiums to 11.6. They recommended purchasing the Progressive Dynamics 9145 which will top off the charge to the recommended 100% status with 14.2 to 14.6 volts. That charger is $225. So, I am now looking to replace the coach converter instead of adding the additional one.
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Thank you for the information.
Good explanation. The battery monitor should be the first upgrade to any electrical system whether you plan on upgrading or not. Even with flooded batteries, knowing your state of charge as a percentage as well as knowing what your consumption numbers are is important and will probably extend the useful life of any battery bank. I use the Bogart Engineering one as it was cheaper than the Victron one (no BT). Great video!
Richard M We have the 2030A & like it a lot but I do wish it was Bluetooth enabled. Thanks for watching!
There are other manufacturers that include built-in Battery Management Systems that are accessed via Blutooth and included in the purchase price - nothing extra required to purchase.
Great video. I am looking at the battle born battery as a switch to my lead acid. I am nowhere near the boondocking phase like I would like to be. We still travel to destinations and stay at campgrounds with full hook ups. I want to be able to power our refrigerator while traveling (electric). I know I will need the battery and possibly an inverter and now probably the monitor you mentioned. Still researching and waiting to hear back from Battle Born what I need to achieve what I want to do. Thanks
Robert Newman you’re right. You will need the batteries, an inverter, and a way of monitoring the battery state of charge which, depending on the inverter, may be included on its control module that’s mounted in the RV. Once you have it installed & working you’re really gonna love the extra bit of freedom it gives you! Thanks for watching!!
Thanks for sharing. It will be interesting to hear how you feel after you have had them for a year and have a better sense of how they are preforming for your RV. Happy trails.
I put mine in a 2" Celotex box with a low watt heated mat on a thermostat set to switch on at 2c - in truth when they are in use they warm themselves up above the ambient temperature - one trick i learned from a Norwegian biker is to put a load on the system that warms them enough to charge - he put his headlight on for 5 min then hit the start button
Thank you for the great video . A very good heads up before I upgrade. Just curious about the charge controller for the Lithium vs agm? Do you have to upgrade the controller also? Thanks again for the great heads up.
Mike Kennedy I didn’t have to change charge controllers but I did upgrade the magnum inverter control to the RC-50 (if I recall correctly). Works great!
I called Samlex, the solar charge controller manufacturer and they said I had to change the dip switch positions on the back of the controller for the lithium batteries. I have been dry camping for two weeks using solar and generator. On a few occasions the battery charge reached 14.4.
Hey Matt just seen you drive through Lake Havasu a design where the fireworks are going on for sure that was your unit about 9 to 930 at night on February 15
RV solar homesteaders on the road !!! Jeff Loitz nope, not us. We’re still on Shea Road just outside of Parker, not made it to Havasu just yet.
Nomadic Native Hey Matt that had your RIG jeep an kayak on the roof LOL
Start watching at about 4:30 if you're interested in the topic. Little bit long winded.
sounds like a cash flow problem to me im getting a liesure travel serenity getting aa iduction cooktop /under hood generator /remove all propane etc if it cost 20k it will shock me parts/labor have to be paid
Hey Matt, thank you for the kind words and for letting Sabrina's secret out lol. She comes up with some doozies😂🤣 Excellent video on what to expect with the lithium batteries and how you may spend a little more than what one would first calculate. I would also like to add something about the Victron battery monitor system. The ability to check the status on the phones have made us both addicted to see what the batteries are doing at all times, especially since we have now added two 100 watt solar panels to do more boondocking. Who knew it is was so fun to watch the amps come in from the solar panels and see our batteries refill lol. We always have a good time while hanging out with you guys and look forward to seeing you again😁
Moving Forward Adventures NO DOUBT!! Watching the numbers thru the day is like some kinda video game or something, it’s addictive, ha!
Hi Matt, we are considering BB Lithium for our Winnebago Journey 40R. It has a 160 AMP alternator charging fron the engine just like your Forza. Did you install the BIM Li-Ion Battery Isolation Manager on your unit? BB is recommending that we do, but I can't find anyone anywhere that knows how or where to install it !!!
Roy Somers no Sir, the only thing I’ve changed is the control head for the magnum inverter. If you’re on Facebook, Brian Boone is who you want to find. If anyone out here knows where & why your system needs it, my guess is it’s him. Hope that helps, but as for me, other than changing the inverter control head the BB’s were drop in replacements.
@@NomadicNative Thanks Matt, I really appreciate your reply. The is so much ambiguous information out there on LI battery systems that it's hard to make an informed choice. We are looking at pretty much exactly same setup as you have in your Forza, so if you haven't had any issues with you're alternator, I'm confident we wouldn't either. I'm really hesitant to alter the somewhat compex system that Winnebago and Freightliner already has in place. Thanks again, all the best to you and yours, and keep the good videos coming !!
Another basic upgrade to is some old alternators won't shut down in time and they'll burn up when you're trying to charge a good set of lithium batteries because they take so much More voltage instantly so you're going to end up replacing it to $300 alternator check that out
Nice Job explaining the little things. I agree a Victron battery monitor would be a must. And I agree Kenny and Sabrina are great people. Stay safe and happy travels, Lou
Unless I missed it. Don't you also have to upgrade your convertor?
The low temp issue for Lithium batteries concerns me being from upstate NY.
Thomas McLaughlin you can upgrade, but you don't necessarily have to. For example, the progressive 9245 I have can be managed with a charge wizard dongle to work well with BB's. The BB are pretty flexible.
Thanks for giving......the rest of the story on lithium batts!
Wow Great Info mate 👍👍👍 Been looking into buying a lithium 12v camping setup and I had no idea about the ambient temperature affecting charging abilities on the lithium batteries. Cheers mate and Happy Travels
Thank you for the information. Another expense I was not aware of. I am just looking at lithium as I have to replace my 4 - 6v 5 year old coach batteries. $600 for lead acid and a lot of distilled water or ? How is your charge controller handling them? I stopped plugging the coach in while stored and use a 100 watt portable solar panel with controller to keep them charged.
Great video thanks. I have been asking around about a new converter/charger for the lithium and no one responds. QUESTION. I assume the basic OEM converter/charger may work to charge the batteries but what about other options for faster charging if you have to hook up the generator and don't want it running for 12 hours to charge them? Thanks
Hi! We didn’t change our Magnum converter/charger, just upgraded its control head to the programmable version, RC-50 (I think). Lithium batteries charge faster as is, nothing more to add. If we’re running off grid & auto gen start kicks the generator on tho charge our 4 batteries it only runs for a little over an hour give or take a little. Thanks for watching!
@@NomadicNative wow. a little over an hour for 4 batteries is great.
Thank you for this information.
We are also doing the slow move to lithium but were aware of both of these concerns. I can see where most people would not know about this.
For the poor amongst us, I managed to get 60Ah pouch batteries from a local guy for £70 each. Sure you have to solder on your own connections, balancer boards and box it but I can do that for under £5. I also managed to pick up 2x300W solar panels for £100 each and a 50A MPPT charger for £100. If you don't mind doing a lot of your own work and learning new skills, it doesn't have to be expensive and the advantage of doing it yourself is that you know how to fix it.
What about in a motorhome when the alternator is outing out over 14 volt for long periods of time into you LI batteries NOT GOOD
There’s a device that shuts off the voltage with a relay to protect from overcharging. I would link it but cannot on this format
Mitch Mills from what I understand the BMS inside each battery will not allow the battery to be over charged. It’ll shut down the incoming charge to protect itself in the same way it does at 24 degrees, but I’m not 100% on this so I will call B.B. & ask about it, thanks!
Do you need to change continuous Solenoid?
Randy Farnsworth hi, not that I’m aware of on our RV. We’ve made it back to Oklahoma now & everything seems to be working per the norm. One thing I really like about these batteries is the built in management system that protects the battery from people like me, ha!
Thanks!
I have been using Lifepo4 for 3 yrs - discharging battery to 3 volts per cell is not good BUT it does not kill battery ether -
How about a smart charger for lithium?
Harold Kohl that would be great! The Magnum inverter/charger works well but I don’t think it’s optimized for lithium. As for solar charge controllers I’m still thinking of upgrading to the 85 amp Victron with Bluetooth. Thanks for watching!
Yep hidden costs pop out many people don't know T-105 also charge at a higher charge like 14.6 volts
14.8
I've installed Battle Born batteries they are the best! But now a few years later I have added batteries to my rig so that I have now 600-amp hours of lithium. 200-amp hours of Zoomagoo and1 Chin's 100 amp-hour smart battery with internal heating. About $1,000 each for the battle-born $500 each for the Zoomagoo. And $550 for The chins smart battery. chims has a regular smart battery without the heating feature for 350.00. chance is an excellent battery! I said all this to say that there are good batteries out there and the price of lithium is coming down. I have the majority of my battery is located underneath the sink area of my class C real close to the panels I have to heat that compartment with small 500 watt heaters during the cold weather. The chins self-heating battery is the way to go! I was thinking about getting some heating pads that you would put on a water tank like I did for my water tank the heat up to 68 degrees and put them around the batteries maybe that would be a more easy way to keep them warm in cold weather. But it is a challenge keeping the batteries warm. And I have spent $80 on a renogy battery monitor that I accidentally shorted out and ruined.. and then I spent $8 on a little state of charge meter that does the same thing.
I had no idea about the battery percentage thing
All true, but even with all these additional expenses, it's worth it. No more battery uncertainty!
excellent explanation matt.... cheers x
Will your regular converter work with lithium batteries? My thought... 2 6V batteries cost me about 400 bucks and last 5 or so years, if im careful. 1 lithium gives me about the same amp hours and has a 10 year warranty! So theyre probably going to last longer. So, it may all end up a flush, and maybe better off if when I boondock more
In most cases … yes. However, it's best to have a converter that handles lithiums to get the full charging capacity. Otherwise, will 99% be OK?
That’s some good info Matt, that’s exactly how the lithium in RC cars are, full power until almost dead 💀 with no warning lol 👍
We picked up some Battleborn batteries recently (still sitting in their boxes) of which I chose to get the Victron monitor you mentioned as well! But, I have the Xantrex (I believe it's a 2000 watt inverter), and I'd like to try to figure out if there are particular settings I should change within the coaches 'remote monitor' which in our coach sits above the drivers seat...giving the Lithium batteries the best efficient charge? I'm unsure as well, about if the charge controller within the Xantrex Inverter will work perfectly with the Lithium batteries, in charging the Battleborns properly, but also changing my chassis AGM batteries efficiently? I'd like to solve these, and any other possibilities prior to installing my batteries of course. Thanks for the video, explaining the importance of the Victron controller as well, as I can see how it could be overlooked by some folks!
Great video Matt! Good info to know. Thumbs up given.
So you replaced your 6 t105 batteries with what from battle. Born
Glad it was clean TP
Another possible hickup... some RV/travel trailers come with a charger/converter that won't fully charge lithium. Our brand new Winnebago has a WFCO 8955 that works for sla and agm but not lithium
I didn't know you were a comedian LOL.
We just purchase a 2019 Grand Design Reflection 28bh. We want to install 2-4 battle born batteries and eventually 6-8. I have 550 watts of new renogy solar panels to put on the roof and a Yamaha 2000i generator to charge batteries is poor weather. We want to be table to boondock where ever we want.
Hard Truth hi! That was our goal when we started. Park it anywhere, stay for 14 days, don’t do without. We met that goal. Thanks for watching!!
Hey buddy wears up in Lake Havasu for the big fireworks show . this weakened February 13 to 18
RV solar homesteaders on the road !!! Jeff Loitz we’ll be there soon. Plan to hike around Parker for a day or two first.
@@NomadicNative nice Crossroads BLM IS fantastic just you need to book ahead .
Good info, I'm going to stick with my old school lead acid batteries for at least the next 5 years. Lithium is about 10 times more expensive than my descent lead acid batteries. Heck in 5 years I'm betting the price will be significantly lower than it is today. I'm getting at least 5 years out of my lead acid battery bank as it is. Thanks for the info.
WannaBFree no doubt our T105 bank has years of use left in it, it’s only 2 years old, but we’ve not had to run the generator in over a week & that’s awesome!! We gave the T105 battery bank to a friend of ours, Joshua Tree Jim, for his new to him class A.
When I'm buying something new, that I don't know much about, I look around until I find someone that I trust. Who knows their business. And I buy the products from them. Sure it cost a little more, but I don't run into those unexpected "oops" that always occur when you buy stuff mail order. Welcome to 2020
The drop in replacement batteries are false advertising, I got some and then had to change my mppt after spending a lot on the batteries and also had to change my meter for soc, I’ve got a new van now and it has agm batteries but I wanted lithium,so instead of getting so called drop in replacements and changing everything , I went with a goal zero yeti 3000 which is 280 ah lithium,it has everything , a meter that tells me hours to go ,percentage of the battery and how much solar is going in, and how much power is going out,a 1500 watt inverter with 3000 watt start up , an mppt and it’s own bms, so all I did was connect my solar cable straight into it and my fridge, , and everything else still runs off the agms, I can connect my shore power cord directly into the yeti and run everything including microwave and aircon and charge my agms at the same time ,it’s all in one box and I can take it out if I ever upgrade ,
yeah, really need to investigate what charge controller / charger you have, make sure it has a "lithium ion" setting or can custom set parameters. If using Battleborn, consult them for details with your specific charger / controller, or if another brand, get some edumacation.
why is it that most amateur instructional video makers think we are interested in their unrelated personal experiences and endless backgrounding.
The first two words of the video title are “RV Life”, not “Instructional Video”. The difference is in how much you paid for it. An RV Life video with pertinent info included is free, if you want an instructional video from me you’ll have to pay for it ... see the difference? Thanks for watching!
If you don't like the content (or intro) you're free to skip ahead, or watch another video. I think the question I have is "why is it that people have to be so rude when commenting on a video?" Go troll somewhere else.
I wouldn’t consider lithium a “drop in” solution since you need a battery monitor and most likely a new charge controller. Thanks for the video, I didn’t think of the battery monitor
My only comment is if you have a travel trailer with LA's and want to convert to Lithium you will probably need to change your charger as well as most LA chargers don't work properly charging Lithium batteries
Full charge on LifePO4 would be 3.6V x 4 or 14.4V. Full charge on lead acid 14.1V (6 x 2.35V). Most chargers won't go that high to protect the battery. The discharge curve on a LiFePO4 is way flatter (as you say) until it's about 90% discharged. What's more you probably don't want to take it below 90% too often - keeping the battery between 10% and 90% DOD will result in much longer lifespan. Keeping them between 20% and 80% DOD even more. To properly monitor capacity on LiFePO4 you need to monitor current and voltage and subtract amp hours from a known state of charge. The meter also has to be intelligent enough to adjust capacity depending on load - higher loads will reduce capacity, although LiFePO4 is way more tolerant than lead acid. Victron are nice, a bit on the expensive side - although given the cost of the batteries it may be worth springing for the additional $180 - $230, especially considering it monitors battery temperature as well (important with Battleborns and other drop in replacements). There are cheaper alternatives but they're not as plug and play. And having said all that, the monitoring systems on most lead acid systems are very basic and can also give you misreads as they only monitor voltage. So springing for a decent battery monitor is probably something that everyone should have, regardless of chemistry.
the fun start at 5:15 :)
long video to explain that you need a different type of battery monitor if you are using lithium battery.
barry8082 welcome to my garden party, thanks for watching!
Btw your replaced lead acid batteries will take a charge below 24. However, unlike the protected from dumb things you can do to it Battleborn battery, your lead acid battery will be permanently damaged and have less capacity in the future. Not allowing charging below 24 is software controlled to protect your expensive battery.
I wonder how many people waste their money on these batteries because they believe this misnomer of "drop-in". None of them can be just dropped in - you need lithium specific charger/converter and solar controller or you will ruin them in short order. They only bulk charge and need 14.4-14.6 volts. Alternator charging generally works OK.
damn that toilet paper hahahahahaha
well worth it well said
24° C???
SolarizeYourLife 24 F
Excellent tutorial. Still waiting for a video on the microwave vent fix, lol.
Yep,we all went trough of this,RV,s money pit 🚐😀🚐😀🚐🛀😀
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Co. A ,702nd maint Bn. 2nd. Inf. Div. Camp Casey Korea 1986-87 Mend the broken sword. . We picked up a 2016 Host Mammoth - 2- 12v lead bat. starting to weep and get acid in the compartment, set out, cleaned up put some paint down and thinking before in get new battery d-4, ummm is there an over charging going on with our stock rig - the camper is plugged into the wall / bad battery / Budget Battery's are just that and it is time ? get 4 optimum and lay in there parallel ?? maybe stack a couple d-4 Lithium ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Have a solar plug on out side- it just goes straight to the battery thought about a solar panel or 2 , like the flexible I could put on roof and go over the front some to use open space and not cover things up.- get sun light by parking directly and keep battery box to the aft of primary sun light for heat reduction some. .................. What charges the Lithium (stock on board the camper from 110v) ( The pick-up when plugged in is charging as well) and then when using the inverter if that needs changed out. Will be at Quartzsite for Camper Rally in Feb. 2023 , Today is October 4th 2022, have a little time to do it --- If you are familiar with the Mammoth--- if you know about them any, I cold use a a hand holding with this up grade - If your not able to- not a problem. Iam glade to see some one from the 2nd.
Everybody should know life po required more monitoring,,60s is over, now..... it's 2020
a loooooong video illustrating just one issue, then not explaining the solution for that issue very well. Simply Battle Born batteries, which are of one type of Lithium batteries (LiFePO4), have different charge vs voltage profiles from lead-acid batteries so you need to measure their status by other than basic voltage levels. (sums up the information in the video in - 10 seconds?)
But that's no big deal because astute users of lead-acid batteries have been measuring status the same different way for ages - often with that same Victron BVM-712 monitor the video mentioned. These devices, in conjunction a shunt at the negative side of the batteries, count the energy going both in and going out of the batteries and use that to determine how much charge is left - and expressing that result as a percentage; it counts energy change, not the voltage that results. If you have a pair of 100Ah Battle Borns, wired in parallel and the monitor counts that 60Ah have been used then it reports the charge level as being 70%. But the charge monitoring process of the device works the same for for either type of battery. In practice, these monitors also report voltage and keeping an eye on both charge level and voltage can alert you to problems with a battery too.
But the problem is more with the way cheap-and-nasty gauges report charge levels rather than the battery type. For ages, people have been done in by those dumb lights with old style, lead-acid batteries too. Yes, not fair that the vehicle is supplied with such cheap gauges but that's not the battery manufacturer's fault as far as can see.
Second to none!
David Rios thanks for watching!
Be careful with Las Vegas
2nd to none.....
nice intro exit left from bathroom
tl;dr: replacing your batteries with Lithium may also require you to upgrade your battery monitor system - an extra $200 or so.
Anytime you upgrade your batteries to a lithium system you need to upgrade your battery monitoring system. If you're running lithium batteries without a BMS you're only looking for trouble. Or even worse catastrophic failure..
LifeBlue have a built-in Battery Management System that is accessed via BluTooth - no extra cost involved. I believe the same for ReLion batteries too. I'm referring to the drop-in replacement batteries.
Yeah, no. You can't replace your beat up Pinto with an F8 and then proceed to treat the F8 like a Pinto.
Just no.
People want solutions where they don't have to think, but that's the straight path to losing money. Do your homework ahead of time.
GoatZilla I agree, but it doesn’t help at all when the company advertises the battery as a “drop in replacement” for standard 12 volt batteries. Thanks for watching!
What a train wreck video can you just get to the point
Agreed! Bla bla bla, bla bla bla. Get to the point and you have a chance to get subscribers. Does not apply to this channel! Bye bye . . .
great video on batterys. OH wait after wasting 4 min of my life I turned it off.
Jeffrey Lally thanks for watching, commenting, and helping to promote this video, get it more views, and make us even more money. You’re awesome!!
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god, could you do a worse job of dragging out 2 mins of information with more than 10 min of rambling and talking about nothing
zheneggmobile yes
What a waste of my time.
Way too much jibber jabber. Not helpful or informative. There are other videos that get to the point and explain lithium much better. Changing channel now 😏
Mr. Natural no subscribers, no videos, nothing to share, nothing to contribute, you nor your opinion matter in the least. Thanks for watching!
13 minutes in and it a love fest about so woman you think is funny ugh.