The old Ridgid shop vacs have different sized hoses and ports. I had to buy an adapter from Ridgid to fit any modern hoses or adapters. The problem with my hose looked exactly the same as the mismatch you show here. To put a new hose on the old vac (which still runs great) I had to use the adapter.
The Dustopper is called a "Thien baffle." I don't know which of the two is technically better, but I've got two of the Dustoppers and it's plenty good enough, and the tall form factor of the cyclone is a show stopper for a shop vac for me. Of course, I don't do mdf on a cnc either, and that dust is awfully fine. Also, I have two Rigid 6.5 HP vacs, one very old and one brand new and both of them fit the Dustopper perfectly. Last, that short hose that comes with them is intended for between the vac and the bucket, as it is assumed they will be close together, and your regular host goes on the horizontal inlet to the cyclone. I think you made the right call in that the HF cyclone performs better with fine dust and would be stationary in your application. If it were mobile, either in a stack or in a side-by-side, you'd always be pulling it over. The Dustopper can have that problem as well, but since it is much lower, the problem isn't as bad. I just zip-tie the hose lower so it doesn't upset my stack (bucket over vacuum).
The Bauer is an off brand of the Dust Deputy cyclone from Oneida. I have the one from Oneida for my 33 gallon barrel and the dust stopper from Home Depot for my bucket. The Dust Deputy by far out performs the Dust stopper. I’ll have to look into the Bauer version for my bucket. Thanks for the review.👍
I figured they had to be copying someone. It is a bit top heavy for the 5gal, but leaving it next to my cnc router I just strap it to a leg. It works great except the tipping.
Toper is not as good but better mobility. The cone is better if it is left in place. Make a housing for that router bit !!! (The best thing you can do!) Then use a carpet vacuum hose so you have flexibility... Better yet go to Goodwill and grab a 20-40 buck carpet vacuum with the built-in vortisies copied from high-end brands. Dirt Devil makes good cheap ones, you may have to empty more often but the footprint is nothing. If it doesn't work well you have a dust collector for smaller machines like a hand sander etc. I'm building a small table for smaller dust hogs in my shop 9in band saw small sanders etc. A Dirt devil in the cabinet, all parts not needed, like the handle chopped off. I drop my small tools on the tabletop and plug them into the built-in outlet and the vacuum hose.
Great video thanks. FYI - I use a heat gun and gray electrical conduit To make adapters. The heat gun softens the PVC and generally you can use your existing hoses/suction tools to form it to the right diameter
Super, great, awesome, comparison, editing, narration and demonstration of both products buddy !! So helpful and straight-to-the-point WITHOUT ANY BuLLSh_t animations, cameos, or immature interruptions !! Good Job on this Video buddy !!!!!!
That piece in the Dusttopper is a Thein baffle. If they had extended the pickup pipe through it, the result would have been more debris reaching the vacuum,
It was on as tight as it would go, even used the HD bucket. I still like its form factor way more. The HF just tips over all the time, kinda defeats the small and portable nature of these. Both work way better than nothing and I could see paying for them selves rather fast saving filters.
I have the Duststopper for sheetrock sanding collection. It's extremely fine dust. On the box of the Duststopper, is says "collects 99% of the dust". That is a total LIE. The manufacturer has to knows it's not true, so it's false advertising on their box. IMO, it may get around 50%. The other 50% goes to the filter, therefore, eventually still clogs it, just delayed. I started putting a gallon or 2 of water in the bottom of the bucket to help trap the dust in the water. This seems to improve the collection % but too much dust still gets to the filter. And yes, beware of the buildup of static electricity in the bucket. It will bite you.
ua-cam.com/video/ebM4C7xrIYc/v-deo.html, Mine is similar to this one. I used an HD lid for the 5 gallon bucket. I put a reinforcing piece of 1/2" plywood on the underside of the lid, the cyclone no longer is top heavy. To make the lid easier to remove I purchased a lid remover at HD. I found the vacuum powerful enough to suck in the sides of the bucket. A simple solution was to put a donut made from 1/2" plywood inside the bucket. There is a simple way to determine the diameter of the bucket. Use a framing square with a speed square held at the half way height of the bucket. To make white plumbing fittings fit non-uniformed openings, just heated the fittings with a heat gun, forced them on an opening, once cooled there is a tight fit. Haven't changed a vacuum filter in a year, might blow it out once or twice, never have cleaned the vacuum base. The dust collector rolls around my tiny shop. I use various adapters and hose diameters connected to the 2 1/2" from the 'shop vac'. Best of luck for your shop.
he's making a mistake with the Home Depot dust separator. the fix is to use 2 buckets .cut the bottom out of one of the buckets. that bucket slips into the other bucket making it sooo much easier to separate to dump dust.he i is right about the black thing in the H D . Remove it and add a 3-4" piece of pipe ,to extend deeper into the bucket.
When I use the Home Depot bucket with the cyclone it collapses and is unusable, I found some old Costco buckets I have and they don't collapse. I have a Depot dust collector and it does not do the job that the cyclone from from Harbor freight does .
Lots of subtle differences. The Thein baffle, by Thein himself, had both the input and output ports on the top of the separator. His "baffle" was suspended by three threaded rods. Neither of those elements supported good separation. Sometimes others would add a side entry port, but the slot on most designs had a blunt wall at the end which caused a huge amount of disturbance that redistributed agglomerated fines as they approached the end of the passage, The Dustopper evacuates lareger chuncks early after they enter the separator, thereby making it possible to do a better job with fine particulate. A Dustopper is realatively inexpensive and can be assembled in minutes. A "Thein" separator can be made from a scrap wood and a sheet of plastic in a few hours. You decide what is a best us of your time. Love my Dustopper!
@@Goodoleme4144 I ended up getting a 20 gallon chemical waste barrel with s very water tight lid. Put an entry and exit port made of 4 inch 45 degree elbows. This made a good chip separator and I ran the exhaust outside so the fine dust goes outside, no filter to change. Powered by the Wen 14 amp unit. Chucked the plastic bag and the " filter bag" 5 microns, is not good enough.
last warning...u still want to buy crappy items and tools...well...open the box inside the store because u can have a very nasty surprise when u open the box at home...It happen to me, and guess what...customer service did not help, i was treated like if i was the crook...seal box, no sticker saying it was a return or a open box...I was taken by someone in the store, who swap the brand new 300 dollars miter saw for an used one...and yeah i did not have the receipt...so bye bye to my new miter saw, taxes and in top of that lots of agravation and incompetent people behind the emails and phone calls...here is the kick...at the end the lady who was in charge of my case offered me...139 dollars refund, but...i had to package everything as it was in the box, seal the box and take it to UPS to be delivered to the address given to me...after they receive the item -the lady said- we will decide if will give u the 139 dollars...give me a break... (shipping on me occurse)
I have the Dustopper purely for space considerations. I use it with a Fein dust extractor which uses filter bags to catch the super fine dust.
The old Ridgid shop vacs have different sized hoses and ports. I had to buy an adapter from Ridgid to fit any modern hoses or adapters. The problem with my hose looked exactly the same as the mismatch you show here. To put a new hose on the old vac (which still runs great) I had to use the adapter.
The Dustopper is called a "Thien baffle." I don't know which of the two is technically better, but I've got two of the Dustoppers and it's plenty good enough, and the tall form factor of the cyclone is a show stopper for a shop vac for me. Of course, I don't do mdf on a cnc either, and that dust is awfully fine. Also, I have two Rigid 6.5 HP vacs, one very old and one brand new and both of them fit the Dustopper perfectly. Last, that short hose that comes with them is intended for between the vac and the bucket, as it is assumed they will be close together, and your regular host goes on the horizontal inlet to the cyclone. I think you made the right call in that the HF cyclone performs better with fine dust and would be stationary in your application. If it were mobile, either in a stack or in a side-by-side, you'd always be pulling it over. The Dustopper can have that problem as well, but since it is much lower, the problem isn't as bad. I just zip-tie the hose lower so it doesn't upset my stack (bucket over vacuum).
Yeah it has gone on to be a PIA. It now just lives at my blast cabinet b/c of tipping issues.
The Bauer is an off brand of the Dust Deputy cyclone from Oneida. I have the one from Oneida for my 33 gallon barrel and the dust stopper from Home Depot for my bucket. The Dust Deputy by far out performs the Dust stopper. I’ll have to look into the Bauer version for my bucket. Thanks for the review.👍
I figured they had to be copying someone. It is a bit top heavy for the 5gal, but leaving it next to my cnc router I just strap it to a leg. It works great except the tipping.
Nice to know! Put a brick in the bucket to help with being top heavy.
Toper is not as good but better mobility. The cone is better if it is left in place. Make a housing for that router bit !!! (The best thing you can do!) Then use a carpet vacuum hose so you have flexibility... Better yet go to Goodwill and grab a 20-40 buck carpet vacuum with the built-in vortisies copied from high-end brands. Dirt Devil makes good cheap ones, you may have to empty more often but the footprint is nothing. If it doesn't work well you have a dust collector for smaller machines like a hand sander etc. I'm building a small table for smaller dust hogs in my shop 9in band saw small sanders etc. A Dirt devil in the cabinet, all parts not needed, like the handle chopped off. I drop my small tools on the tabletop and plug them into the built-in outlet and the vacuum hose.
Great video thanks. FYI - I use a heat gun and gray electrical conduit To make adapters. The heat gun softens the PVC and generally you can use your existing hoses/suction tools to form it to the right diameter
@12:38... That's what the 90 degree elbows are for that came with the HD separator, connect one to the top and have the hose enter from the side!
12/1/2022 It seems HF changed their lid a bit, it's thicker and added a fitting in the box.
Super, great, awesome, comparison, editing, narration and demonstration of both products buddy !!
So helpful and straight-to-the-point WITHOUT ANY BuLLSh_t animations, cameos, or immature interruptions !!
Good Job on this Video buddy !!!!!!
That piece in the Dusttopper is a Thein baffle. If they had extended the pickup pipe through it, the result would have been more debris reaching the vacuum,
collapsing hose? I had my HF bucket collapse when I accidently sucked up a bunch of latex gloves..
It looked like in the test with the router table that the dustopper wasn’t securely fastened to the bucket.
If you can remove it with one hand, it wasn’t on there properly. Ask me how I know.
It was on as tight as it would go, even used the HD bucket. I still like its form factor way more. The HF just tips over all the time, kinda defeats the small and portable nature of these. Both work way better than nothing and I could see paying for them selves rather fast saving filters.
Thanks! I have the dustopper now and was curious about the Bauer!
Dustopper is great, low profile and works good. The Bauer is a bit better performer, just as long as it doesn't tip over while you're using it.
I have the Duststopper for sheetrock sanding collection. It's extremely fine dust. On the box of the Duststopper, is says "collects 99% of the dust". That is a total LIE. The manufacturer has to knows it's not true, so it's false advertising on their box. IMO, it may get around 50%. The other 50% goes to the filter, therefore, eventually still clogs it, just delayed. I started putting a gallon or 2 of water in the bottom of the bucket to help trap the dust in the water. This seems to improve the collection % but too much dust still gets to the filter. And yes, beware of the buildup of static electricity in the bucket. It will bite you.
For fine mineral yes! The cones are a must.
ua-cam.com/video/ebM4C7xrIYc/v-deo.html, Mine is similar to this one. I used an HD lid for the 5 gallon bucket. I put a reinforcing piece of 1/2" plywood on the underside of the lid, the cyclone no longer is top heavy. To make the lid easier to remove I purchased a lid remover at HD. I found the vacuum powerful enough to suck in the sides of the bucket. A simple solution was to put a donut made from 1/2" plywood inside the bucket. There is a simple way to determine the diameter of the bucket. Use a framing square with a speed square held at the half way height of the bucket. To make white plumbing fittings fit non-uniformed openings, just heated the fittings with a heat gun, forced them on an opening, once cooled there is a tight fit. Haven't changed a vacuum filter in a year, might blow it out once or twice, never have cleaned the vacuum base. The dust collector rolls around my tiny shop. I use various adapters and hose diameters connected to the 2 1/2" from the 'shop vac'. Best of luck for your shop.
Good show.
Thanks!
The bauer needs a gasket installed. The newer ones come with the gasket
I have them both they both work but the Bauer does work better. I was a bit of a pain to get connected but the Bauer is the one I use.
he's making a mistake with the Home Depot dust separator. the fix is to use 2 buckets .cut the bottom out of one of the buckets. that bucket slips into the other bucket making it sooo much easier to separate to dump dust.he i is right about the black thing in the H D . Remove it and add a 3-4" piece of pipe ,to extend deeper into the bucket.
When I use the Home Depot bucket with the cyclone it collapses and is unusable, I found some old Costco buckets I have and they don't collapse. I have a Depot dust collector and it does not do the job that the cyclone from from Harbor freight does .
Harbor Freight cyclone is more like the Dust Deputy rather than the Dusttopper.
The dust stopper is a thien baffle
Lots of subtle differences. The Thein baffle, by Thein himself, had both the input and output ports on the top of the separator. His "baffle" was suspended by three threaded rods. Neither of those elements supported good separation. Sometimes others would add a side entry port, but the slot on most designs had a blunt wall at the end which caused a huge amount of disturbance that redistributed agglomerated fines as they approached the end of the passage,
The Dustopper evacuates lareger chuncks early after they enter the separator, thereby making it possible to do a better job with fine particulate. A Dustopper is realatively inexpensive and can be assembled in minutes. A "Thein" separator can be made from a scrap wood and a sheet of plastic in a few hours. You decide what is a best us of your time. Love my Dustopper!
@@Goodoleme4144 I ended up getting a 20 gallon chemical waste barrel with s very water tight lid. Put an entry and exit port made of 4 inch 45 degree elbows. This made a good chip separator and I ran the exhaust outside so the fine dust goes outside, no filter to change. Powered by the Wen 14 amp unit. Chucked the plastic bag and the " filter bag" 5 microns, is not good enough.
MDF glue is VERY bad for you!! Need to wear a filtered mask when cutting that stuff where there is a slight chance of inhaling it.
Clean the end of your house before making a connection.
last warning...u still want to buy crappy items and tools...well...open the box inside the store because u can have a very nasty surprise when u open the box at home...It happen to me, and guess what...customer service did not help, i was treated like if i was the crook...seal box, no sticker saying it was a return or a open box...I was taken by someone in the store, who swap the brand new 300 dollars miter saw for an used one...and yeah i did not have the receipt...so bye bye to my new miter saw, taxes and in top of that lots of agravation and incompetent people behind the emails and phone calls...here is the kick...at the end the lady who was in charge of my case offered me...139 dollars refund, but...i had to package everything as it was in the box, seal the box and take it to UPS to be delivered to the address given to me...after they receive the item -the lady said- we will decide if will give u the 139 dollars...give me a break... (shipping on me occurse)
You lost the receipt already? I have the receipt for every tool I've bought new for the last 20 years.