Why Sidious DISLIKED the Darksaber (Refused to Claim) - Star Wars Explained
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As mentioned in the video he didn't like lightsaber combat, why would he want an oddball lightsaber. That's my favorite point
Not to mention it was a jedi weapon, also in the video I go over why specifically the ideology of the darksaber is something Sidious would particularly dislike.
It's not that he didn't like lightsaber combat, it's that he thought it primitive and a crutch for those he thought of as less than himself. He viewed his own mastery of the art solely as a means to humiliate those who believed that it mattered. To Sidious, The Force, and particularly the mastery of its Dark Side, was paramount.
@@craigbradford9189 Palps is a dick who likes fighting those he knows he can beat. Lightsabers even the odds a little. Killing his sleeping master wasn’t beneath him don’t forget.
@@TheStupendousWave Makes sense since, well, you know, he despises the Jedi.
@@craigbradford9189 because you can’t even hit sidious with anything if he’s paying attention let alone a lightsaber it’s like having superpowers but using a gun what’s the point
Perhaps the better question is *_why_* he would have claimed it? He already had his plan in place, and simply didn't want Maul interfering with it. If he had claimed the Dark Saber, he would have had to make a new plan entirely... right? How could the new Sith Lord ruler of Mandalore be explained to the galaxy? How could Palpatine return to his day job, pretend not to be Darth Sidious, and work all this into his plots with the Clone Wars and Order 66?
"The man was simply too busy."
Maybe he was too arrogant, that’s why he went back and destroyed the planet
Literally was my thoughts entirely
This is what I was thinking as well, not saying the other points were invalid but this dude was on the cusp of rolling the entire galaxy gaining control over 1 planet was nothing.
were he not an idiot he would have claimed it for the same reason revan claimed the mask of mandalore, to keep it away from someone else who would use it to claim the position of mandalore.
Sidious was essentially a level 80 Sith Sorc who switched to a Marauder for fun for this fight and ragdolled some acolytes in the Korriban tombs. He just forgot to pick up the loot.
I understood that reference.
I miss that game lol
Keeping his anonymity secret was more important than the dark saber. In his grand plan the Mandalorian system was already under his rule.
He probably didn’t want a Sith who was a former apprentice of his to gather or unite more Mandalorians to his cause… Knowing if Mandalorians left unchecked can pose a huge challenge to his regime.
They can do far more damage to the Empire than any Rebel forces. Not to mention that given enough planning, resources, timing, and luck; heavily trained Mandalorians could potentially pull off assassination attempts against Vader or Sidious.
It's no wonder Sidious had to personally snuff them out and not hold anything back.
In KotOR 1 and 2, the Mandalorians were regarded as a formidable threat to the republic. If it weren’t for Revan bringing the jedi into the Mandalorian wars, the Mandalorians would have defeated the republic. Sidious knew this, and since he didn’t have an army of jedi or sith, there isn’t a doubt in my mind that the Mandalorians would have demolished the empire.
Sure, at first, Sidious didn't intend for Maul to be be a true apprentice as you mentioned. However, that was when he first brought up the idea to Plagueis. After a while, he did indeed take Maul as his own apprentice. Maul even says to Sidious, when he arrives at Mandalore, "I used your training" implying that Sidious taught Maul more than we were led on to believe in regard to manipulation, as we see Maul take over Mandalore and create his own small criminal empire.
I Believe the Emperor left the darksaber as a lure to draw out any Mandalorian strong and skilled enough to claim it AND reunite the clans against the empire. I Believe the last thing he wanted was a unified Mandalorian people/army joining forces with the budding Rebellion. I Believe this was the reason for the Mandalorian purge.
I love your point that Sidious knew true power comes from the force, not trinkets. This makes the Episode III duel between him and Yoda just that much more epic. Yoda was strong enough in the force, and knowledgeable enough in it to be able to hold his own against Sidious without a lightsaber.
Yeah, and that absolutely terrified sideous. Yoda was better than him at lightsaber combat and his one trick pony of force lightning well, Yoda had that covered, too. And that scared old Darth. So he ran most of the fight to stay away. Because he didn't want to get killed.
I feel, at least partially, that if he did claim the Dark Saber, he would have to reveal his identity as a Sith Lord to the wider galaxy. A reason Palpatine’s plan worked in the end is that he had people like Dooku and Grievous to do his public fights for him. If he did claim the Dark Saber, he would have betrayed everything he had built up until that point
You're missing something important why claim the dark saber by, claiming it would unnecessarily complicate all the plans and draw unnecessary attention to him and those who seek the saber. It was in his best interests to forget it and stick to his own plan.
Exactly my thoughts, his Grand Plan to conquer the Galaxy was already in motion, Why would he risk it all just to rule a planet if he could rule The Entire Galaxy
The power of a saber with a mind of its own pales in comparison to the power of the dark side, so Sidious ignored its call. Imagine just for a second being something so powerful a physical weapon is obsolete
You have to remember also at the time it was canon in the novels that Palpatine doesn't want anyone to know that he is a force wielder he is to look like a feeble old man but with a keen mind and heart for the people of the galaxy...
Common sense
I think the reason Sideous didn't claim the Darksaber is because claiming the deed to ruling Mandalore would unnecessarily expose himself to potential detection from the jedi. Mandalore clearly did not fit with his plans at that point anyway, otherwise he would have had its rulers under his thumb already. As for its value as an artifact, Sideous was likely too preoccupied with capturing and securing Maul to have bothered retrieving his weapons even if he actually had an interest in the Darksaber.
I think it’s just because Sidious already controlled the galaxy at this point. He just needed to carry out his plan to unite the two sides he ruled together. Mandalore, while powerful, can’t compare at all to the republic or Seperatist Alliance. We can already see in Rebels Mandalore couldn’t stand up to the Empire. Sidious would be risking too much by claiming the saber and gaining very little as opposed to what he’s already in control of.
The Jedi were still alive at this point. If Sidious took the Dark Saber and control of Mandalore questions that Sidious wouldn't want asked would start being asked. Like how an old man could take control of a planet of warriors when the only way was to defeat the warrior in combat who held the Dark saber in the first place.
Taking the Dark Saber risked exposing himself for what he was.
Besides, Sidious didn't need to take control of only one planet. When he executed Order 66 the entire galaxy was his.
Sid never liked light sabers, and I'd imagine he'd be down right aggravated towards a Saber who would dare judge him as if it was above him
Why Sidious disliked the Darksaber, perhaps for the same reason he felt the Sith outgrown the use of a Lightsaber to begin with, but only using them to continue taunting and mocking the Jedi with the Dark of the Force being their primary weapon. He basically considers all lightsabers to be a Jedi’s weapon.
Did he actually meet the rules of the dark saber? You mentioned in a previous video that it had to be in an official challenge, and 1v1. This battle was actually 1v2, and I don't think an official challenge.
Pretty much
I agreed that would he dislike the weapon but he will still find its hilt disgin, color and blade shape interesting for they are too much to ignore even for someone who dislike lightsabers and if all the Mandos were wiped out he would have kept as a trophie and insult to the once proud warrior culture
This is a good point. If Sidious did claim the saber he would use it to mock and insult the mandalorians and the Jedi
I always assumed it was because sidious would’ve had to openly reveal himself as some sort of physical figure to rule over Mandalore and he very obviously cared less about such a small thing when revealing himself would’ve if anything put at risk his plan to take over the galaxy
Yes and no, distance for a Jedi artifact, and disgust at the notion that he needed to earn anyone's trust are probably at play on some level, but also, have connections with the mandalorians this close to claiming his victory would add an unneeded risk to the game, he just needed to crush any chance of Maul rising in power.
Thanks for your ongoing insightful work! Totally agree, Dark Side > Darksaber. Still, I wonder how the blade would react to Sidiuos holding it.
BTW, what's the name of the song played in this video (and some others)? This is a dark ambient piece, not the one from the description box.
Maul was direct threat to Sidious. He became ruler of Mandalore in less then one afternoon,he gained allies,he had army,he bulid criminal empire extremely fast. And he had Darksaber. I agree that's why Sidious didn't pick up Darksaber. Like you said and as we know know he despises lightsabers. So Darksaber is not exception. Her believed in the Force,dark side,fear,power. He wanted to rule everybody that way. May the Force be with you too
I always wondered about this after seeing this duel. Thank you for touching upon this subject!
I kinda wonder if Sidious were to actually take it if he would actually bleed the crystal and if instead of the black and white it had, it had a black and red to it. That’s something I genuinely wonder sometimes.
I don't actually believe he could bleed it since its far more powerful then any lightsaber to the point that it con weigh down people who are not "worthy". I think the blade would fight back to the point Sidious would be forced to destroy it completely
The whole bleeding thing didn't exist at the time it's a Disney invention
Hmm I thought he would have hated the dark saber because it stands as an insult to the dark side. I mean a Jedi one who was proficient in the light crafted a black lightsaber that is surrounded by a white hue. That just sounds like a metaphor for how the light will always hold back the dark.
Makes sense to me
Palpatine didn't even want Mandalore, he had the whole place turned to glass.
Absolutely amazing video. I fully believe in this theory it makes the most sense.
I agree with the main point of this video, however one thing he said was wrong. Maul wasn't "just" an assassin. Palpatine planned for Maul to be his apprentice for the rest of the war at least. He even stated that it was a tragedy when he was killed, that wasn't part of his plan. Once he "died" he shifted his focus to Anikan because he sensed his potential. Dooku became a place holder for Anikan and temporary replacement for Maul. Maul was originally the one who would storm the temple, and finish the war. Palpatine knew how much potential he had when he started training him, it was great enough that Darth Plagues was worried about it when Palpatine started training Maul.
Nice video and interesting subject material
Agreed. But it would’ve been SO COOL TO SEE HIM WITH THE DARK SABER!
Your explanation sounds right on and very plausible.
it was clear that duel would of came out on how he acquired the dark sabre; exposing his ability as a duelist and his nature with the force. Plus, the republic fleet was present and weren't leaving no time soon. Also, It was forged by a Mandalorian who was a "JEDI".
It’s funny how “ I don’t like weapons, true power lies in the force” turns into “build me a death star”
The darksaber was kind of beneath sidious. He didn’t need it to control the planet in his grand plan. He sought the entire galaxy. He needed anonymity. The story of the darksaber was an obvious display of strength and the image of a weak old man served his plans better. The whole concept of deciding the ruler by combat was also beneath him. The only two people that could match him would never seek to claim the dark saber anyway.
I think another reason why he hates it is also because it’s a weapon that not only Jedi can use but also those who aren’t force sensitive.
It’s like playing a game with auto aim on instead of taking aim yourself and Sidious doesn’t like that. I feel like the dark saber is also in some form a conduit the force is flowing through the saber helping those who aren’t as adept with the blade or force in a fight and giving them a helping hand. Another way to look at it is like when Quigon used the force in the dice roll with Watto. He game a light push with the force so it would land on blue and that’s what the dark saber does for those who aren’t force sensitive, helps them just a little in a duel but as for those who use the force they don’t need the assist as long as they’re fighting for what the saber stands for
Palpatine: I claim this sword and I now rule Mandalore!
Jedi: Hey wait a minute how did an old politician beat Maul in a fight?
Republic: r/holup
Palpatine: *whispers into sleeve* Execute Order 66
He's the evil space wizard who has maxed out his feats in dueling and two weapon fighting but puts everything else into those much wizardry based feats.
He left it to throw the system into chaos and the Mandalore have no power against the empire if divided
Mau was definitely Sidious's true apprentice until his defeat on Naboo and had he won that duel he would have continued as his apprentice. Dooku was never considered a true apprentice despite his strength and power. He was too old and Sidious would have believed the much younger (whole) Maul would have surpassed Dooku within a few more years (probably 5-10) of continued training under Sidious. Of course the appearance of the boy Anakin Skywalker would probably have made Sidious consider Maul surplus to requirements eventually but the point is prior to the appearance of Anakin Maul was Sidious's true apprentice.
The Darksaber was a Jedi weapon created by the first Mandalorian admitted into the Jedi Order, so I can see why Sidious wouldn't want it
Had Palpatine taken the Dark Saber and in turn Mandalore, the Jedi would have had no question of Palpatines Power and the likelihood that he most likely was a Sith. Only a Force Sensitive individual could have beaten Maul in a duel, and being as Palpatine wasnt trained a Jedi, it would have only leave one other option. The secret would have been out, even though Count Dooku did kinda give a big heads up to the Jedi in 'The Clone Wars'.
What's the background noise you are using? the ominous ambience in the background
@TheStupendousWave your dooku video about his dad was on private. I wasn’t able to watch it and it doesn’t show up on your feed now
Had some issues with it, I will post it again soon, likely retitled to have something to do with Yoda's and Dooku's early master and apprentice relationship. Keep an eye out, will be back in a day or two.
Okay thank you
I think claiming rule of Mandalore would complicate Sidious's plans. Sure, he would through the Empire try to later subjugate the world to the point of glassing the planet, but at that time he was still maintaining the guise of a politician to the galaxy-at-large and the Jedi.
It still amazes me how (and yes, I know this is a fictional story) Sidious was able to go from one hologram as Dark Lord of the Sith and another as Supreme Chancellor of the Republic without seeming suspicious to onlookers. Having to rule Mandalore, even employing a hands-off approach, may have been a variable that Sidious was not wanting to introduce to the already complex equation of the Clone Wars.
Please do a video on the mineing guild
Brilliantly don't my friend
Im currently on chapter 10 Cycle of Violence" in the novel Darth Plagues, can't wait to see what evil will arise
I always thought it was because claiming the title ment ruling openly and doing so before order 66 was to great a risk of being discovered before he could take control of the republic.
Our beloved Emperor had grown beyond needing lightsabers .
Besides , why would Lord Sidious care about Mandalor when he was about to own the entire galaxy ?
A Supreme being such as Emperor Palpatine cares not for sure inferior matters.
what would happen if someone tried to blead the dark saber.
Well, he had to keep shaking and tapping it to stay on!
I agree with sideous on weapons. Same in the real world. Real power is in our spirit not these weapons (guns knives) etc.
Sideous couldn’t have people seeing his true face in public. Ruling Mandalore would have blown his cover.
Sith also have elements of prophecy/precognition. He may have already saw Mandalore Empire fall!
Broke: the Darksaber is a cool looking lightsaber which grants you rule over Mandalore.
Woke: The Darksaber is a poor man's death star which doesn't even work.
What is the music called in the first half of the video?
You know what though? People were giving Reva and the Grand Inquisitor crap for surviving a lightsaber to the gut, when Maul was full on cut in half, thrown in the freaking trash, and still survived and everybody was thinking it was so cool when they revealed Maul survived.
Excalibur equivalent?
Savage probably would have stood a chance if he used his lightsaber like it’s supposed to be used and not like a battle axe 😂
i have to disagree with you on one point maul was not a dog to be used and tossed aside .sidious put a lot of time money and effort in training maul so he would be the tool to use to kill the jedi high council .in other words he was so well trained and sidious had so much confidence in mauls abilities at one point he was going to send him to kill all of the jedi council
anyone know the track that starts at 3:45?
I can accept most of this, but it still doesn't totally explain why he left it there. Not wanting to claim it, and through it rule of Mandalore, is one thing, but the aged collector had found, or confiscated, many relics he had little interest in, or plans to use. The fabled Darksaber could have easily sat in a curio vault, alongside Momin's mask, or holocrons Sidious had already gleaned information from, and done what Palpatine often did; deprive opponents of opportunities to dispute him. He didn't want the weapon? To claim rule over the Mandalorians that way? Fine. He also knew that he'd always have SOME rivals who wanted to beat him, and take his place. Palpatine's strength, or at least one of them, though, was to decide for them who that opponent would be; to force them to fight him on his terms, and insure he'd win. If he knew the legend of the Darksaber, he should have known how difficult it would be for them to rally under any one leader, who might then aim for him, and so take it, just to toss it in a box, and keep others from claiming it. Maybe he already had some plans to glass the planet, and end the millennia old threat of the Mandalorians once and for all, meaning there'd be no one to rally under the saber, but I'd still have taken it, just to make it disappear, and not haunt him later. Since Maul is still on the loss later, anyway, I always hoped he had finally escaped, and took it with him, hoping to someday usurp the Master who had broken him so, and just never got around to it, but it's too bad it was "just there", and Maul "just got it back", to lose it to Sabine, to go to Bo Katan, to Mando, to wherever we're going now.
The simplest explanation is Palpatine did not care for lightsabers which was already previously explained by other UA-camrs one could argue the saber itself still holds allegiances to either Maul or Palpatine which is why Bo Katan and Mando are not worthy and it is bc Maul was able to excel in his dark side training he was considered halfly a Sith Lord despite being specifically trained as an assassin
I think it's as good an idea as any, that sidious would overlook the darksaber in this way if not another similar to it
"I am Darth Sideous and now I'm ruler of Mandalore! " * 6 months too early for order 66
*Galaxy gasps
Mace Windu with the Jedi Council and Anakin still not knowing who Palpatine is. -
"In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you are under arrest!" *Republic invasion force and Bo-Katan rebels.
Perhaps Sidious knew claiming it could backfire horribly. If he claimed the darksaber, he would be opening up a way for his empire to be stolen. If he held the darksaber, the Mandalorians would serve him faithfully; however, this would invite challengers. People under the oppressive rule of the empire would raise champions to challenge Sidious. Power hungry warlords would train and seek an opportunity to rule Palpatine's empire. Palpatine would have to accept many of these challenges or risk losing the respect of the Mandalorians.
Absolutely right.
So the true owner of the dark saber is darth Sidious
He could have been, but never claimed it.
Darth Sidouis: "If I kept that thing I would have to fight a stupid worriors each day to keep it then again I do that infront of the Red Guard".
Imagine if greivous was the one shown he earned the dark saber. (Speculation nothing more.)
i agree that he probably dident want it...but as shown in the mandolorian, its very picky with its user and how they react...it may not have reacted well to him and it was not worth the effort
Hell Yeah!
I think Sidious just hated the concept of the Darksaber, and found it insulting. In his mind, his rule over a planet, a system, or the entire galaxy were his by right. He was the culmination of the grand plan of the Sith, it was all for him. Some Jedi trinket has no place in determining his rule.
Holocron updates I love it XD
Well, there's one difference between Star Wars and Harry Potter. Space Voldemort didn't want the Space Elder Wand.
Maul was his concern not the mandalorians. He might have even enjoyed leaving the dark saber where it could not be claimed by combat. With the chaos that would cause. While it is an oddity it is more of a Jedi artifact then one of the force.
Which episode was this, damn sidius destroyed them effortlessly, and those vicious and cool light Saber moves daaaamn
Amazing
it wasnt time yet, when it was time to claim his bounty, it was gone
As usual, I think you're right.
If sideous' main goal is to kill mother Towsen, then maybe he didn't want to have maul's claim as mandalor be Challenged; the same way he didn't want to kill Maul, but capture him.
Question how did Luke learn Vaapad
I think he felt That necessity of claiming the lightsaber was beneathn him he wanted to rule by his own authority Not by any tools
What if he did claim the dark saber and after revenge of the sith ruled mandalore that would be sick
Sidious hates everything
Except for unlimited power
I guess if your point would be right, he would have taken the saber to destroy or take care an other way once at for all to get rid of it.
Their was a huge risk in taking it yes he could have ruled the planet but the saber also brought with it rivals wanting it for their own to take over ruling the planet. All of which screams more risk to himself being exposed as the Sith Lord for the entire galaxy to see he was sensible to know the temptation wasn't worth it in the grand scheme of things and he already controlled most of the galaxy.
I reckon that’s very accurate
Plus at the time, he hadn't revealed himself. Why ruin his plans. He taught Maul a lesson. And Maul new better than to intervene in Palpatine's plans after that.
Sidious used force grip, force push twice on each of them, slow fall, and used force lightning force abilities (besides blocking blaster bolts and increased strength and speed) are NOT allowed in trial for the darksaber. Most sith would love the darksaber I think but it goes against everything Sidious believes in (“combat above all else”) and that’s why he hated it.
Why would he need a lightsaber when he is already supreme chancellor and had designs to become the first galactic emperor. It’s nothing to go.
I always wondered. Since sidious defeated maul when he had the dark saber. By definition shouldn't sidious lay claim to the dark saber now? I always wondered why he didn't.
Realistically how would he claim Mandalore, as Sidious or Palpatine. Neither would be practical.
Do you think you can bleed the dark saber
So you have to accept the darksaber after winning a duel against the previous user for it to officially change ownership
Darksaber has one cutting edge that has to be aligned with every slash in order to do damage. Lightsabers cut unilaterally, and as such, over seven combat forms were developed to take advantage of that. The Darksaber is a glorified Vibroblade and is only useful for ruling Mandalore - a Jedi would have no need for it.
Mandalore is nothing. it's like winning a kazoo while playing skee-ball at Peter Piper Pizza. I honestly doubt anyone thought any deeper about it than that while writing his reaction.
Sidious is a ruler of Mandalore. But this would have awesome to see. But he despise the legacy because of its Jedi origin. This may be the cause also of the The Night of a Thousand Tears
Also, Sidious simply didn’t have time to rule Mandalore while he was also Supreme Chancellor of the Republic and there would be no point in him ruling Mandalore when he was going to rule the entire galaxy, including Mandalore anyway.
Some people just dont like things, the yezzey's are expensive as hell but to me they look like clown shoes... revolvers are cool put a pistol is my thing type of situation... and if u dont care about the background of something then even the most valuable object of that lore is just uninteresting and some times annoying when people try to press u about it....