I feel like it’s not really the mod loader you should be worried about more so your pc forge is made more on a beefy pc side while fabric isn’t and is made for weaker pcs since on fabric there are way more fps limiters and lag reducers if you wanna use forge go for it you might lag and you might not same with fabric
@@Timeless_blox1 Just no. Forge is so damn unnecessarily heavy even on a beefy PC. That in itself is an optimization problem on the loader, not the PC. Blaming the user for spaghetti code is such a weird gaslight. This such a horrible mindset and one of the reason why there's multiple loaders now. Instead of improving, devs end up splintering on other projects instead. Every time they do that, the one's that get the end of the stick are users themselves.
@@Nif-kun and hows that gaslight if your running on a 550 or 3050 then fabric is a better choice but if you have somthing like a 3060 or a 4020 then thats for forge either way if your worried abt it jst run both at the same time with a simple mod like i do
Fabric performs far better than forge with small mods but that's only because a lot of big mods in fabric have so many dependencies which bloat it up while most forge mods are standalone or depend on the same few dependencies unlike fabric where you can download like 10 mods and end up having 50 mods in dependencies lmao but the actual raw performance difference fabric wins.
Made similar modpacks (250+ mods) for both Forge and Fabric. On Fabric I was able to get 30-40 FPS with Distant Horizons + Shaders on 24/7. It was painful going back to Forge and getting the same FPS or worse without ever using Shaders. Both modpacks were using similar optimisation mods such as Sodium + Iris / Embeddium + Oculus.
i hate how alot of mods are seperate from each other like for forge i'd try parcool but my fps would be bad for fabric it's just a simple huge improvement for fps but no content it's not fair :(
Yet, I can have 300 mods on Fabric with a negligible performance decrease but only thirty on Forge before the game embarks on the road to unplayable. Ryzen 5600G RTX 3060TI
That's what you'll notice with this types of videos. They don't bother with actual testing. Real world cases gets disregarded just to say they got a conclusive result. You end up asking why they don't bother actually testing it with more than a single mod. There are mods out there that exist in both Forge and Fabric, yet they couldn't be bothered to install and legitimately test.
The mods you pick make a big difference. 100 tiny utility mods have lower overhead than 10 big content mods for example. For a like-for-like comparison, you need to compare the same mods on both loaders
@@omegasteve8485 it hurts me A LOT moving to fabric but damn the performance just doubled after using Vulkan from Embeddium. I might stay forever to fabric if the Devs have found solutions to compatibility issues between Vulkan and other mods (Create)
Honestly it's more about RAM and core counts, more than 6 is plenty for Minecraft (yes C2ME really helps a lot in chunk generation for using all cores)
Make sure you've set Forge to use your dedicated graphics. The early loading screen Forge has sometimes triggers bugs in graphics card drivers that cause it to run on the integrated graphics rather than dedicated, causing the large descreprency in performance. For AMD, this involves using DDU or the AMD Cleanup Utility and downloading the latest drivers from their site, then look up a guide online for how to force Minecraft to run on your dedicated graphics. For NVidia, it's the same process, but you usually need to force it as reinstalling the driver often isn't enough to fix it.
Dude, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! as long as I could find you are the only one who has made a full (and well done) comparative between Forge and Fabric perfomance in real use cases. New sub
The reason Fabric got popular is because at the time when Fabric came out. Forge only really had OptiFine as grand jewel. (if we speak performance or graphic related mods, tech stuff Forge still the goat) Fabric was the first to get Sodium etc. The Forge variants came quite much later. Addtionally. Especially for anyone that played older modpacks on Forge will be familiar with how long Forge needs to boot up in larger modpacks. Fabric atleast in my experience always loaded faster no matter how huge the modpack got. Also performance-wise Fabric in my testing on the longer period outperformed Forge. This might be setup dependent, in my case Fabric Performance convinced me after having used Forge ever since it moved away as the addon to Risugami Modloader. They key difference nowdays really are specific mods between the two. Besides all the drama and internal conflicts of Forge and ESPECIALLY OptiFine. Both Modloaders nowadays do well. Forge improved quite a bit ever since Fabric released had got their own variants of performance mods.
Y'all use Neoforge 😭, underrated fr. Best of both worlds, not only is it better optimized than Forge, they're working with the fabric folks too! (Hopefully they merge), Neo has as many mods as forge and many modders are moving to neo!! If you play on an old version with old forge mods, keep it that way, but Neo's better (like having a non-egotistical owner). Hopefully neo takes over forgel
your tests actually show FORGE runs 20fps faster in some instances. also. your hardware isn't great, it's a 3060 dude, ok some people have a 1060 still... but anyway, point is the whole Modloader split was stupid since none are better than Forge anyway.
I feel like it’s not really the mod loader you should be worried about more so your pc forge is made more on a beefy pc side while fabric isn’t and is made for weaker pcs since on fabric there are way more fps limiters and lag reducers if you wanna use forge go for it you might lag and you might not
How is the performance between Forge and Fabric without performance mods? I do have faster *launcher loading on Fabric than Forge without any mods installed btw.
The greatest mod loader in history vs. the greatest mod loader of today.
…and every day since then while the ‘greatest one in history’ coincidentally continues to fall off even more..
On my weak PC, fabric uses less RAM than forge
yes is my pc has 16gb ram it work
I feel like it’s not really the mod loader you should be worried about more so your pc forge is made more on a beefy pc side while fabric isn’t and is made for weaker pcs since on fabric there are way more fps limiters and lag reducers if you wanna use forge go for it you might lag and you might not same with fabric
@@Timeless_blox1
Just no. Forge is so damn unnecessarily heavy even on a beefy PC. That in itself is an optimization problem on the loader, not the PC. Blaming the user for spaghetti code is such a weird gaslight. This such a horrible mindset and one of the reason why there's multiple loaders now. Instead of improving, devs end up splintering on other projects instead. Every time they do that, the one's that get the end of the stick are users themselves.
@@Nif-kun thats why your able to customise the ram / mem its using
@@Nif-kun and hows that gaslight if your running on a 550 or 3050 then fabric is a better choice but if you have somthing like a 3060 or a 4020 then thats for forge either way if your worried abt it jst run both at the same time with a simple mod like i do
Fabric performs far better than forge with small mods but that's only because a lot of big mods in fabric have so many dependencies which bloat it up while most forge mods are standalone or depend on the same few dependencies unlike fabric where you can download like 10 mods and end up having 50 mods in dependencies lmao but the actual raw performance difference fabric wins.
Made similar modpacks (250+ mods) for both Forge and Fabric. On Fabric I was able to get 30-40 FPS with Distant Horizons + Shaders on 24/7. It was painful going back to Forge and getting the same FPS or worse without ever using Shaders. Both modpacks were using similar optimisation mods such as Sodium + Iris / Embeddium + Oculus.
i hate how alot of mods are seperate from each other
like for forge i'd try parcool but my fps would be bad
for fabric it's just a simple huge improvement for fps but no content
it's not fair :(
In my experience, yes it does with smaller mods. If you want actual big mods that add a bunch of content use forge
Yet, I can have 300 mods on Fabric with a negligible performance decrease but only thirty on Forge before the game embarks on the road to unplayable.
Ryzen 5600G
RTX 3060TI
Shit pc
That's what you'll notice with this types of videos. They don't bother with actual testing. Real world cases gets disregarded just to say they got a conclusive result. You end up asking why they don't bother actually testing it with more than a single mod. There are mods out there that exist in both Forge and Fabric, yet they couldn't be bothered to install and legitimately test.
Fabrics has 300 mods? Where?
The mods you pick make a big difference. 100 tiny utility mods have lower overhead than 10 big content mods for example. For a like-for-like comparison, you need to compare the same mods on both loaders
you download like 4 mods on fabric and launch the game and it says 200 because of dependencies. the mod count is really useless in these comparisons.
Used to be a forge fan, but fabric just has to many good mods for optimization.
Like sodium, lithium and phosphor
And VulkanMod is tempting me to move on from Forge to Fabric
@ bro do it. You won’t regret it.
@@omegasteve8485 it hurts me A LOT moving to fabric but damn the performance just doubled after using Vulkan from Embeddium. I might stay forever to fabric if the Devs have found solutions to compatibility issues between Vulkan and other mods (Create)
Can i use Shaders with vulkan?
@@vengeance4719 not yet for now, maybe soon?
Perform equal with High Specs PCs, but in Low Specs or Old PCs Fabric is much better
Honestly it's more about RAM and core counts, more than 6 is plenty for Minecraft (yes C2ME really helps a lot in chunk generation for using all cores)
I had all the exact same mods installed on forge and on fabric and on forge I averaged 23-45FPS compared to 120FPS on fabric.
Make sure you've set Forge to use your dedicated graphics. The early loading screen Forge has sometimes triggers bugs in graphics card drivers that cause it to run on the integrated graphics rather than dedicated, causing the large descreprency in performance. For AMD, this involves using DDU or the AMD Cleanup Utility and downloading the latest drivers from their site, then look up a guide online for how to force Minecraft to run on your dedicated graphics. For NVidia, it's the same process, but you usually need to force it as reinstalling the driver often isn't enough to fix it.
I expected a test with over 100 mods in big setups. These tests don't say me anything.
Dude, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! as long as I could find you are the only one who has made a full (and well done) comparative between Forge and Fabric perfomance in real use cases. New sub
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Cool video idea but what about real mods or servers?
The reason Fabric got popular is because at the time when Fabric came out.
Forge only really had OptiFine as grand jewel. (if we speak performance or graphic related mods, tech stuff Forge still the goat)
Fabric was the first to get Sodium etc.
The Forge variants came quite much later.
Addtionally. Especially for anyone that played older modpacks on Forge will be familiar with how long Forge needs to boot up in larger modpacks.
Fabric atleast in my experience always loaded faster no matter how huge the modpack got.
Also performance-wise Fabric in my testing on the longer period outperformed Forge.
This might be setup dependent, in my case Fabric Performance convinced me after having used Forge ever since it moved away as the addon to Risugami Modloader.
They key difference nowdays really are specific mods between the two.
Besides all the drama and internal conflicts of Forge and ESPECIALLY OptiFine.
Both Modloaders nowadays do well. Forge improved quite a bit ever since Fabric released had got their own variants of performance mods.
Y'all use Neoforge 😭, underrated fr.
Best of both worlds, not only is it better optimized than Forge, they're working with the fabric folks too! (Hopefully they merge), Neo has as many mods as forge and many modders are moving to neo!! If you play on an old version with old forge mods, keep it that way, but Neo's better (like having a non-egotistical owner). Hopefully neo takes over forgel
i made the same tests and forge exploded my laptop while fabric had like 250 fps
Why do i hear the Jungle Biome soundtrack in the background :D
the .1 lows are better on forge in the shaders test
it all comes down to your pc specs, depends if u are using ddr4 or ddr5, amd or nvidia gpu, amd or intel cpu, just difference
How do you instsall distant horizions? (tutorial please?)
if u have a nvidia graphics card use nvidium is better than distant horizons
@@YTEY_Bunless your gpu is bad
your tests actually show FORGE runs 20fps faster in some instances.
also. your hardware isn't great, it's a 3060 dude, ok some people have a 1060 still... but anyway, point is the whole Modloader split was stupid since none are better than Forge anyway.
...
Forge is a dying modloader.
Isn't this test flawed since you used different performance mods on the different mod loaders?
embeddium and oculus are forge ports of sodium and iris
I think msi afterburner shows your gpu memory
cool video but pls stop shaking your head
Not to mention fabric is compatible with sodium and lithium which is so much better than optifine
Embeddium and Sodium. Even though they look the same, embeddium is a fork and might have different settings and different performance.
Fromb1.21 and furthe4 Sodium natively support neoForge. So doesn't even matter now.
Cool video👍
It is. No questions asked
i use fabric bc i can use sodium
Fabric Lags my PC
I feel like it’s not really the mod loader you should be worried about more so your pc forge is made more on a beefy pc side while fabric isn’t and is made for weaker pcs since on fabric there are way more fps limiters and lag reducers if you wanna use forge go for it you might lag and you might not
How is the performance between Forge and Fabric without performance mods? I do have faster *launcher loading on Fabric than Forge without any mods installed btw.
@@leshie687 if you have the same optmize mods as fabric it runs practicly the same and forge can run at 100-120+ fps with bsl and 50 other giant mods
@@leshie687 launching is completly diffrent
@@BerryDawn I’m actually looking for optimisation mods on Forge so you have recommendations ?
@@leshie687the best way is to move on to neoforge, it has 90% of forge mods and a lot of optimization mods. It's actually is good
do with create mod
for servers is much better fabric thou
vanilla+ (qol mods) use fabric
anything else use forge
Anything else mods like magic mods and industrial mods on Forge you mean? How about biome generation mods?
@@leshie687 forge is better
@@culan_SCPIt is not. Forge is a dying modloader.
@@ukraineball953 Most mods are on forge and the performance boost is negligable
Most mods are using neo now.@@culan_SCP
yeah just stick to forge
epic video
w video