Yeah the "Clovis Firsters" have slandered and generally screwed over everyone and everything connected to Calico forever. I've crawled all over that whole Lake Mannix region since the 1960s... Bet I know more about Calico Man than anyone alive today. I've found the same very ancient Americans peoples 3 places in the Mojave besides Pleistocene Lake Mannix shoreline sites like the Yermo Fan.
They should not be allowing public tourists to dig up an ancient ancestral american site, that should be left to experienced geologists and anthropologists. I cant imagine how many ancient artifacts left that site in their pockets, leaving its final destiny to sit on top of some desert mobile home television set. Or perhaps hawked for a case of Pabst blue ribbon and scratch tickets. Makes me sick!
Forget the ones taken by artifact hunters ... What do they grab for collections or science ... a 5-gallon bucket at most ??? That's next to nothing of the real problem.... I've seen rock hounders with pick-up beds so full of artifacts they were sitting on their axels ... They grab them to cut up for "cabashons, caboshons, cabashans".... and these days even those jerks aren't much compared to the modern day flint knappers ... Some of those low-life ignorant buttheads haul off tons (literally) of them on a regular basis to sell for big bucks as a knappable flint to other knappers, too lame or lazy to figure out how to go find decent flint for themselves in their areas... At least most Artifact Collectors curate, respect and save them from any harm... The other two categories of people taking them will utterly destroy them... BTW I actively sabotage anyone illegally grabbing artifacts out there ... Once I'm sure they're not being ethical, just taking the non-artifact natural cobbles ... Well .. they may have driven in... but brothers and sisters ...with 4 slit tires and/or valve stems... They're walking out... Hope they brought lotsa water. I walk out and talk to them where they're walking around with their 5-gallon buckets... it's always a long ways from their vehicles since the easy stuff has all long been pilfered... and if they seem nice.. possibly just naive, I'll explain the facts to them. But if they don't respond well or especially get snotty about it... lots worse happens to their ride ...besides new tires they could need a new paint job, door locks, new engine & tranny... just depends on how ugly they were... and my mood... And my mood when watching asshatss destroying the possibility of solving the very real unresolved mystery of Calico Man in American Archaeology...And that should be an earth shaking discovery which revolutionizes modern archaeological thought ... Well take your best guess ... I know several excellent proofs of the 20,000 year old true minimum antiquity of Calico Man, I never see others mention or seem to realize ...Hell even all the big name archaeologists know little to nothing of the Calico Site, they've never been there, seen the artifacts or even read much ... Ask them about Calico and they'll respond, "Aren't those things found out there merely geofacts...??? And tune out and turn away... Really, really sad ...
They usually don’t let a “tourist” dig. They take in volunteers who work the site for a set period of time. They have to go through orientation etc. sadly there are no funds for us as archaeologists to hire professional help.
This is not an archaeological site, it's a part of the desert where the stubborn hopes and desperate dreams of a single scientist has persisted through decades trying to prove that piles of broken flint are actually old tools - only desperation would push people to encourage the public to try and find anything, anything at all, to prove this hypothesis. I spent a day out there finding flint pieces that could never definitively be called an artifact. It's odd, but the clock has run out.
Is this that place near Zyzyx where tons of broken flint was found but never solidified any answer for how they claim they're 20k+ years old?
These tools exist all over North America.
Just visited this place and it's closed and highly vandalized. Sad
Yeah the "Clovis Firsters" have slandered and generally screwed over everyone and everything connected to Calico forever. I've crawled all over that whole Lake Mannix region since the 1960s... Bet I know more about Calico Man than anyone alive today. I've found the same very ancient Americans peoples 3 places in the Mojave besides Pleistocene Lake Mannix shoreline sites like the Yermo Fan.
Yeah ... unbelievably sad... makes me really, really mad too.
They should not be allowing public tourists to dig up an ancient ancestral american site, that should be left to experienced geologists and anthropologists. I cant imagine how many ancient artifacts left that site in their pockets, leaving its final destiny to sit on top of some desert mobile home television set. Or perhaps hawked for a case of Pabst blue ribbon and scratch tickets. Makes me sick!
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Forget the ones taken by artifact hunters ... What do they grab for collections or science ... a 5-gallon bucket at most ??? That's next to nothing of the real problem.... I've seen rock hounders with pick-up beds so full of artifacts they were sitting on their axels ... They grab them to cut up for "cabashons, caboshons, cabashans".... and these days even those jerks aren't much compared to the modern day flint knappers ... Some of those low-life ignorant buttheads haul off tons (literally) of them on a regular basis to sell for big bucks as a knappable flint to other knappers, too lame or lazy to figure out how to go find decent flint for themselves in their areas... At least most Artifact Collectors curate, respect and save them from any harm... The other two categories of people taking them will utterly destroy them... BTW I actively sabotage anyone illegally grabbing artifacts out there ... Once I'm sure they're not being ethical, just taking the non-artifact natural cobbles ... Well .. they may have driven in... but brothers and sisters ...with 4 slit tires and/or valve stems... They're walking out... Hope they brought lotsa water. I walk out and talk to them where they're walking around with their 5-gallon buckets... it's always a long ways from their vehicles since the easy stuff has all long been pilfered... and if they seem nice.. possibly just naive, I'll explain the facts to them. But if they don't respond well or especially get snotty about it... lots worse happens to their ride ...besides new tires they could need a new paint job, door locks, new engine & tranny... just depends on how ugly they were... and my mood... And my mood when watching asshatss destroying the possibility of solving the very real unresolved mystery of Calico Man in American Archaeology...And that should be an earth shaking discovery which revolutionizes modern archaeological thought ... Well take your best guess ...
I know several excellent proofs of the 20,000 year old true minimum antiquity of Calico Man, I never see others mention or seem to realize ...Hell even all the big name archaeologists know little to nothing of the Calico Site, they've never been there, seen the artifacts or even read much ... Ask them about Calico and they'll respond, "Aren't those things found out there merely geofacts...??? And tune out and turn away... Really, really sad ...
They usually don’t let a “tourist” dig. They take in volunteers who work the site for a set period of time. They have to go through orientation etc. sadly there are no funds for us as archaeologists to hire professional help.
Wrong! Should only be dug up by Native Americans. "NO ONE ELSE PERIOD!".
This is not an archaeological site, it's a part of the desert where the stubborn hopes and desperate dreams of a single scientist has persisted through decades trying to prove that piles of broken flint are actually old tools - only desperation would push people to encourage the public to try and find anything, anything at all, to prove this hypothesis. I spent a day out there finding flint pieces that could never definitively be called an artifact. It's odd, but the clock has run out.
I wonder how many people have disappeared ? With no trace 🙄 I don't do hiking It's somebody's home and we're not welcomed
Actually it's public land I work for a living I pay taxes that is my land and the government has allowed it to be leased for archaeological dig