The Animation of Sonic Frontiers

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  • @oreogod1985
    @oreogod1985  Рік тому +93

    How do you feel about the Sonic Frontiers Animations? Also yes I'm poor being a switch user is pretty rough out here lol

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +10

      I thought that was just your PC setting being on Super low Quality, rip Switch Users

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +9

      @@Terminal_Apotos the PC I will probably never have lol

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +3

      @@oreogod1985 what do you edit your videos on then? I understand the pain of not having a PC lmao

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +4

      @@Terminal_Apotos a very very bad and laggy windows 10 laptop, every video is a PAIN to edit, a 5 second clip can take like 30 seconds to render its awful but I mean I make do with it and still have fun for the most part lol

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +4

      @@oreogod1985 That sucks lol, I edit with my Old iPad Air 2 and that thing lags when Searching things up

  • @pattik_
    @pattik_ Рік тому +43

    phantom rush looks incredible and I hope it continues through more games the idea of sonic appearing as if in a tun of different positions is perfect

  • @alicemoon8126
    @alicemoon8126 Рік тому +100

    The sky dive animation was actually changed from Forces but its such a small detail im not surprised it got overlooked

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +21

      Ah darn it you’re right I totally forgot it’s different
      To be fair though it’s like a very small change but now I’m mad I missed it lol

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +3

      I don’t like it as much, though that may be the Slippery controls making me Biased against it

    • @thefastcommenter7774
      @thefastcommenter7774 Рік тому +1

      @@Terminal_Apotos Forces had the best skydiving controls while Generations/Frontiers had the worst controls.

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому

      @@thefastcommenter7774 True

    • @SinkingInTheWater
      @SinkingInTheWater Рік тому +1

      ​@@thefastcommenter7774you said forces is good and bad

  • @Manic07925
    @Manic07925 Рік тому +133

    Actually, the run animation isn’t the FORCES one; it’s been slightly altered and given a proper skeleton so that the fingers and quills ACTUALLY move this time, unlike FORCES

    • @playerback7722
      @playerback7722 Рік тому +12

      Ok

    • @mufinboi975
      @mufinboi975 Рік тому +3

      Thats cool

    • @TheIdiotz_
      @TheIdiotz_ 7 місяців тому

      The forces running animation is used in the game but only when sonic had the power boost and is running on those green wall things

  • @AnglesSol
    @AnglesSol Рік тому +74

    The animation in Frontiers feels stiff due to how there is a lack of fluid motion between certain poses. In animation there are many principles to achieve this, squash and stretch being one of them.
    The ones that are lacking are ease in and ease out, which help smooth out how fast and slow an action starts and finishes. Overlapping and drag are also quite underused, since these help give weight to Sonic when jumping, landing, suddenly stopping and pretty much everything that conveys a shift in speed and position. Anticipation could use some work, that helps to spring characters in motion (the loop kick is a great example due to Sonic first flying back , stopping to pose in a kick and then lunge foward), but minor movements like the boost/air boost or jump feel odd since Sonic just snaps into those poses.
    The big save is definitively the direction. The camera and how it presents the fights makes them feel way more epic, especially the boss fights.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +10

      Yeah I’ve noticed most animations are snappy, but a bit too much and it feels like sonic just juts into these poses without transition, like you’ve said, but I agree the camera did a great job making things that wouldn’t seem like much feel better

    • @zzplague5680
      @zzplague5680 Рік тому +2

      Most animations are snappy for a reason but yea they should fix it

  • @Terminal_Apotos
    @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +308

    It’s such a Shame that despite Current Sonic Teams best efforts they still can’t catch up to polish Sonic Unleashed had. Animation wise it’s very apparent from how Smooth every animation just flowed into the next in unleashed. Also Cutscene wise I’m not sure why but Unleashed is still Superior, also while this isn’t related to Animation for some reason I still think Unleashed had the Superior Lighting of any Sonic Game.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +68

      I think the clearest thing that we can see when comparing them is the rail switching, unleashed is very smooth whereas frontiers is very rigid and freezes at the end

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +45

      @@oreogod1985 Yeah, and the fact they’re still using so many Lost World animations is kind of annoying, when will we get a new set of animations

    • @Akai_Music
      @Akai_Music Рік тому +45

      I mean Unleased had a much bigger budget, with many more people working on it, and enough time in development than all of the games after... So no wonder they couldn't catch up

    • @jametriusgaston6388
      @jametriusgaston6388 Рік тому +31

      Even unleashed didn't have the best animation in a sonic game that tittle goes to rise of lyric of all things

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому

      @@jametriusgaston6388 Still looks like a Turd so no

  • @Driff97
    @Driff97 Рік тому +14

    At this point, I just want Sega to hire American animators to Sonic Team. It has become clear to me that Sonic games are far behind most other high budget 3D platformers in terms of animation. Even in Unleashed despite how well loved the cutscene animation is, in my opinion it's still below the Jak and Ratchet games on the PS2 in terms of movement and especially lip syncing. And placing Frontiers' animation next to Rift Apart is just embarassing despite ST's best efforts. Not to mention some Sonic Fan animations the past few years, Belena Productions especially.
    I like the animations of Frontiers don't get me wrong, I just think it's now time for a major upgrade.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +6

      Yeah it seems like everytime American animators take a shot with sonic it ends up great, rise of lyric had fantastic animations and the old sonic cartoons weren’t too bad animation wise

    • @Prime_Legend
      @Prime_Legend Рік тому +5

      To be honest, american gaming studios have always had better graphics and animations than Japanese games. Many JRPGs to this day still have a lot of stiff-cutscenes and will mainly save the good animation for certain scenes or parts in gameplay. Sonic Frontiers does the same thing.

  • @_knucklehead
    @_knucklehead Рік тому +17

    You make a lot of great points here! I really wish they’d do more with the animation, but considering how short they were as a team and the time limit before the publishing, it wouldn’t be possible. Though there’s going to be a new update this year for free, I hope we can see some animations improved. ^^

  • @JamisKing
    @JamisKing Рік тому +7

    I swear to god I can’t get enough of your videos man. Great job 👏

  • @choosbehguy
    @choosbehguy Рік тому +37

    I still feel Unleashed wins out for me in terms of combat animations. The Werehog’s stretchy arms just made attacks so fluent and powerful to me, and a lot of them are just extremely memorable. It may of been a weird choice, but it was a great one personally

  • @DragonOfTheNorth7799
    @DragonOfTheNorth7799 Рік тому +4

    The animations are pretty clean actually, especially the cutscenes cause it makes sonic more expresive.

  • @dave9515
    @dave9515 Рік тому +8

    Cyclone kick is even cooler if you see that he is riding the wind like a rail hence the staying in one animation for most of it. Pretty sure thats what the devs were going for with this one.

  • @LoganTGaming
    @LoganTGaming Рік тому +11

    I believe that Frontiers' animations are pretty well compared to previous video games, with improvements to cutscenes and lots of flair for combat. However, I do agree that the animations do need some fixing up for future games. There are certain cutscenes and animations that leave me confused at how much of an improvement it really is from games prior. All I can say is that this review on Frontiers' animations is very well put; there's animations that are done well, and there are some animations that could be better.

  • @JMB_Knight
    @JMB_Knight Рік тому +16

    I think the main problem with the animations is the Characters Design, I think a good re-work could make the animations a lot more smoother like in Sonic Prime

    • @derple8524
      @derple8524 Рік тому +8

      Yeah, we definitely need new models for these characters

    • @TokyoDrift456
      @TokyoDrift456 Рік тому

      Not really, the models have everything they need to be expressive, they just have to use it properly

  • @raisinpantz6272
    @raisinpantz6272 Рік тому +15

    If sonic team was given a proper budget I'm sure they'd be able to make it so much better

  • @nightlydata2181
    @nightlydata2181 Рік тому +4

    Frontiers def needs work but overall it def feels like an improvement at times even over Colors or Gens. I'm not a fan of sonic havin a HUGE amount of exaggeration, only some particular points(Unleashed handles this perfectly imo & that includes all of Marza's/Blur's work on the franchise up to this point). When it comes to a lot of his normal techniques he's ALWAYS been a martial artist but IDFK bout the DB shit he pulled(lmao). When it comes to the cutscenes where Sonic is casually speakin wit someone idk if these should count cus they R VERY CLEARLY DIFF from all the other parts of the game. Idk how they're categorized but they're JUS like those cutscenes u'd see in ANY big RPG like Xenoblade, FF, Dragon Age etc. & NO-ONE COMPLAINS BOUT THOSE. The quick step don't look right I agree. I think part of it is that the Sonics model hasn't been changed much since unleashed which has its ups & downs imo. Sonic bein so drastically diff from the islands helps show he isn't supposed to be here & is unwanted by everythin there. The same model has only had minor changes that built up over time(gettin mostly worse imo) till we hit forces which imo is the "worst" version(hate it SO MUCH). Despite that I like Frontiers' model even though it's jus Forces wit a few changes(which could be said for a lot of this game lol). It's hard to explain but It's prob cus not only do I like the small differences but also cus he jus looks good in the islands as well (to me at least). Sonic jus didn't feel right in any location in forces but he looks so good in Frontiers(actual idle animations prob helped as well lol). More homing tricks would be cool & it'd give us the ability to appreciate the tricks that R there cus they're (understandably) sped up in air tricks(especially cus most homin attacks in this game have a slight buffer after the initial attack to accommodate for the new combat system). Might jus be me but I feel it's a little unfair to look at animations in a way they weren't meant to be viewed(like freeze framin/slowin down the vid).

  • @Lugusartwork
    @Lugusartwork Рік тому +7

    something that I noticed, I was seeing some mods using other models like the one from the 06, and strangely the animations match more with a model like that, maybe because it has larger proportions, the details are more highlighted

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +3

      Yeah the model in frontiers I’m still not sure how I feel about it in an open environment, 06 definitely leaned more in that direction for its real world, and it didn’t look too bad

  • @josiahtheawkward6008
    @josiahtheawkward6008 Рік тому +2

    1:50 omg I love the Roulette Road OST from Team Sonic Racing, that amazing soundtrack that also came with a racing game!

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      Bro yah that soundtrack is genuinely my favorite sonic soundtrack, it really was super generous of them to include a small racing game along side it!

  • @dymaz_azure
    @dymaz_azure Рік тому +3

    8:54
    in idw comics, sonic sees shadow doing a massacre with his chaos control and sonic just says: "maybe i should try that"
    tough, sonic learned the sonic boom in sonic battle and the loop kick is from sonic rush

  • @ld-service8534
    @ld-service8534 Рік тому +3

    Sonic learned all the stuff in Shadows School Of Combat.

  • @makkank4479
    @makkank4479 Рік тому +4

    I really dislike the cinematics in frontiers
    There was games with very good cutsenes direction and animations these last years
    Xenoblade chronicles 3 for example
    Even the worst kind of cutsenes are better animated than sonic frontiers despite the 20 hours run time of cutsenes in xenoblade chronicles 3
    We can take devil may cry 5 that was released there's 3 years too
    The animations were sick and the facial animations were especially great
    Sonic frontiers doesn't impress me at all 😅

  • @bone3756
    @bone3756 Рік тому +4

    Sonic games have 2 major issues to break into the wider game space, polish and presentation.

  • @clauliz5502
    @clauliz5502 Рік тому +6

    Do you think that a brand new model for Sonic and co. would be beneficial for the animation?

    • @JT_Toons
      @JT_Toons Рік тому +3

      Mario odyssey models are new sonic need to do the same thing and make new models based around yuji uekawa

  • @Gamex-Frontiers
    @Gamex-Frontiers Рік тому +2

    4:38 5:49 About the Homing Shot or the Sonic Boom Attack: couldn’t they make the animation so it could look like Sonic Creates projectiles in a spinning motion? It sounds better that way.

  • @Fluxuation
    @Fluxuation Рік тому +2

    Tbh I’m just happy sonic isn’t a blue plastic ball anymore, and I’m glad he actually has fur now in frontiers and prime

  • @areakastudios6704
    @areakastudios6704 Рік тому +6

    Apparently, it's actually very common for open world/RPG games to have varying cutscene quality, with the more climactic cutscenes having better animation, and all the others being on a budget. If frontiers consisted entirely of the former, I'd argue it has the best cutscenes in the entire series, but even then, like you said, the quality takes a dive around island 5.
    While I don't think sonic necessarily needs a new model, he definitely needs more bones on his rig. The Marza design looks INCREDIBLE when animated well, like in Sonic unleashed's opening. If they gave sonic more room to move, he could make faces like this* in in game engine cutscenes.
    Other than that, I do agree with pretty much everything here.
    *i.ytimg.com/vi/zWAqTbsOIe8/maxresdefault.jpg

  • @anotherjon6997
    @anotherjon6997 Рік тому +5

    1:08
    Those bits honestly I never found overly egregious since those aren't really meant to be the main cutscenes and is more of a common trope of most games. The Batman Arkham series, Fire Emblem, Kingdom Hearts, L.A. Noire, GTA, etc. all do this for relatively less eventful or less important bits that require less to no loading from the game itself.
    For the main cutscenes though, yeah; there is definitely work to be done.

  • @RetkiEmi
    @RetkiEmi Рік тому +2

    I feel unleashed isn't even much better in the cutscenes, the animations in unleashed are a little awkward, like mocap?

  • @cobanermite4562
    @cobanermite4562 Рік тому +1

    Also you earned a sub!

  • @moderategamer3333
    @moderategamer3333 Рік тому +7

    I still have some gripes with Sonic's running animation without boost. I think the head not bobbing and the position of the middle quill on his back is throwing me off. Personally, Unleashed has the best jogging animation. Sonic's wild rush move is such a cool idea, but I feel the speed of zipping back and forth before making contact is reduced by the forced camera angle. In the Hedgehog May Cry mod, Wild Rush's scripted camera is removed and it looks and feels more satisfying as Sonic's speed is shown to great effect. Sonic Boom still remains one of my favorite moves as I really love how the animators made Sonic look as if he wasn't holding back with his quick leg movements. Loop kick is also super fun to watch play out as that final pose before impact sells Sonic's combat ability. Grand Slam is also another great bit of animation as it demonstrates Sonic's ability to combine spin dashes and his signature kicks into a sequence of speed and power. Sonic as a character is acrobatic and speed oriented and I think Sonic Team did a good job with their first skill tree of moves. Sonic has so much more potential for combat though. I'm hoping to see Sonic utilize more of his legs and speed for finishers and basic combo juggling in the future. For instance, integrating his boost with kicks, utilizing his knack for breakdancing by generating tornados, and using eagle kicks / axe kicks to drop kick enemies into the ground. We do see a glimpse of these types of actions, but I believe they could be pushed further or more varied than the current implementation. Also, it would be cool to see Sonic perform drop kicks, round house kicks and dragon kicks to list a few. I'm so glad Sonic is experimenting with a combat system. Combat sells the cool factor for a character as their ability to beat foes into submission with style and grace is so satisfying to witness in action.

    • @FrankieFrak-Frakityfranker
      @FrankieFrak-Frakityfranker Рік тому +1

      Dude Sonic boosting into a drop kick with proper animation would be so sick

    • @moderategamer3333
      @moderategamer3333 Рік тому

      @@FrankieFrak-Frakityfranker For sure! That attack combo in itself would be legendary.

    • @playerback7722
      @playerback7722 Рік тому

      Yep

    • @v1z120
      @v1z120 Рік тому +1

      I definitely agree with you on the middle quill part, but for some reason in the cut scene where he was running towards giganto for the final battle his middle quill was fixed?

  • @FirestoneAnimation
    @FirestoneAnimation Рік тому +3

    I remember someone saying there's a difference between game animation and CG animation for TV shows

  • @HOTD108_
    @HOTD108_ Рік тому +9

    Really? I thought Frontiers had the stiffest animations since Adventure 1. I mean, but look at a side by side between Frontiers and pretty much any 3D Sonic game made after Adventure and it's just night and day. If you like these animations though then I respect your opinion, I just don't get it.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +1

      Hmm well compare it to like the storybook games they both are similar levels of rigid ness, plus colors, aside from the drift and jog, can also feel quite stiff

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +1

      But yeah opinions lol I agree adventure still has great animations

    • @HOTD108_
      @HOTD108_ Рік тому +2

      @@oreogod1985 That's true actually, you can definitely see a lot of Colors DNA still in Frontiers. Regardless, I think it's pretty shocking that a game from 2008, that was released on hardware over two console generations ago, can look better than the brand new 2022 released Sonic game. I just wish more people would call Sonic Team out on this blatant regression.
      Btw, huge fan of the channel. I love how you make whole videos dedicated to specific elements of the games that nobody else does, like focusing on homing attack redicules and jumping animations. Such a great idea.

    • @gunman8452
      @gunman8452 Рік тому

      @@HOTD108_ ST of 2008 is probably more than 5 times bigger than current Sonic Team, and Frontier's looks good, HE2 is the better lighting engine but they have to cater to the Switch so the game can't look the best it can

    • @thesonicsegakid
      @thesonicsegakid Рік тому +1

      @@HOTD108_ It's okay, Sonic fans are already harassing Morio Kishimoto on Twitter about the issues Frontiers has. He's doing his best in responding to as many comments as he can, so they can improve in the future. Plus, they are already hiring more developers to work with Sonic Team as manpower was lacking, there were only 60 people involved with Frontiers. So after Frontiers, I think they'll be going all out in the next game.

  • @henrycervantes249
    @henrycervantes249 Рік тому +2

    It saddens me that this series constantly misses the mark on several aspects like animation since I love the Sonic series. These characters have a legacy and staying power loads of other franchises wish they had, along with a passionate fandom that been around since the 90s. I can only hope Sega tries to improve further for the future or realize they need more hands on deck for projects they seem to half bake on purpose despite having the time, money, and resources to do it.

  • @jonnykinney3206
    @jonnykinney3206 Рік тому +1

    I think he gets theze powers from the cyber space corruption and he learns from the voice in the Sky so maybe sage

  • @josiahtheawkward6008
    @josiahtheawkward6008 Рік тому +2

    The trick animations in the air really bugged me. Why does he snap to a pose so unnaturally fast? Think of it like a dance; would you want slower, more animation in between each dance pose or snappy, fast pose shifting like a dab?
    Oh my god wait… if you replaced all the tricks in Frontiers with dabbing, it would have the same effect. That needs to be a mod.

  • @Ocalvolamina
    @Ocalvolamina Рік тому +6

    I heard this once, and you correct me if i'm wrong, but, you don't judge animation on slow motion, cus' it's not intended to be seen that way, is like tasting a green banana e saying it's bad, you wheren't suppose to eat like that, i don't wanna make anyone upset, neither am i Hating on him, i just wanna point that out
    Also, sonic might get his moves from cyber space, remember that to unlock 3 moves by saving your friends and getting cyber space corruption? After going back and foward to cyber space and deafeating bots that came from cyber space, he might have gotten enough cyberspace corruption to do new moves with extreme force... or i am just being a dunce

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos Рік тому +2

      Unleashed Animations look amazing even in Slow-motion

    • @Ocalvolamina
      @Ocalvolamina Рік тому

      @@Terminal_Apotos i know, but what matters is full speed, if it looks good at 1.0x speed, most thta time it will look good at 0.25x speed

  • @gamejitzu
    @gamejitzu Рік тому +2

    I do wonder which game has the best in-game cutscenes. Maybe Unleashed? -Boom?-

  • @identity_ception
    @identity_ception Рік тому +1

    I think what happened was that they really were trying for like half the cutscenes in the game, but as the deadlines closed in they had to rush some, so that's why we have some times where characters just stand around and make generic lip movements. So I think it would be more fair to judge those two types separately instead of an average of both. Because honestly imo those fully done ones look amazing, like, the best any 3D game's had in-engine. I really wish they could've done that for all the cutscenes.

  • @SuperSireBoyYT
    @SuperSireBoyYT Рік тому +1

    Super sonic punching knight in the TEETH might be one of the coolest things i’ve seen

  • @zawn8221
    @zawn8221 Рік тому +6

    The squash and stretch on the jumpball also appears if you double jump after rail lauching/jumping probably carried over from forces like the wall running animations

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +2

      Ohh yeah ur right lol

    • @MetalGearEnthusiast
      @MetalGearEnthusiast Рік тому

      I thought the wall running animations came from Lost World

    • @zawn8221
      @zawn8221 Рік тому

      @@MetalGearEnthusiastYeah I don't remember seeing the sideways ones in Forcesbut the vertical ones are Forces

  • @bbumbs747
    @bbumbs747 Рік тому +6

    1:05
    Jeez that's an actual excuse people make?

    • @gunman8452
      @gunman8452 Рік тому +4

      The amount of copium some of these fans take is disturbing

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      agreed lmao

  • @fishnim1927
    @fishnim1927 Рік тому +3

    The ball shooting one only works properly with while super

  • @killercross9929
    @killercross9929 Рік тому +1

    Cut the animators a BREAK!
    This was a ride or die game!
    Do pay mind that when it comes open zone or open world games, most of the budget goes to creating the MAP.
    The animations are gonna be stiff or buggy due to budget constraints, it’s not easy to do quick movements in 60 fps unless you have ALOT of time and are VERY nitpicky about every key frame to make it be clean.
    The abilities are just from this game alone, some how he has the force and can kinda fly in his base form just by air boosting but I chalk that up to digital alien space magic. (Not to mention the physics engine)

  • @chocov1233
    @chocov1233 6 місяців тому +1

    You should go back and look at the Werehog animations, because the one's used for combat are very fluid and punchy. Reminds me a lot of God of War on the PS2, only a bit more snappy and a bit less fluid.

  • @derple8524
    @derple8524 Рік тому +3

    Personally, I'm the same way. some animation's are really good, others need work. I still love running around this areas and beating bots up, I hope for the next game we get to fight Badniks with this combat style

  • @isabelfranqui3504
    @isabelfranqui3504 Рік тому +1

    Look up Sonic battle, sonic chronicles, sonic adventure battle in multiple players mode

  • @leonardowynnwidodo9704
    @leonardowynnwidodo9704 Рік тому +1

    This is why Frontiers is just behind Unleashed in terms of favourite 3D games

  • @NotSoGenesiz
    @NotSoGenesiz Рік тому +3

    if the sonic boom should ever show up again i feel like they should make it to where sonics animation completely spins around to make it a lot more smoother. originally that’s what i thought he was doing cuz of how fast he was, so i’m not sure how much it would help, but the stiffness could maybe not be an issue after that.

  • @Over2UTake
    @Over2UTake Рік тому +1

    why sonic doesnt lip sync properly is im pretty sure because it's supposed to be animated for japanese dialogue

  • @imnobody321
    @imnobody321 Рік тому +3

    Boy, you sure didn't play sonic battle.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      …genuinely though who has lol

    • @imnobody321
      @imnobody321 Рік тому +3

      @@oreogod1985 that was a great game tho, great gameplay, story. I personally like it.
      You should give it a try if you ask me.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      @@imnobody321 might emulate it someday

    • @imnobody321
      @imnobody321 Рік тому +2

      @@oreogod1985 Thank you!

  • @Crispeaks
    @Crispeaks Рік тому

    1:10 I have a theory about these cutscenes where characters really are just standing around and talking but never looks right.
    It’s likely that, unless the cutscene is one that’s required for the story, they didn’t animate them by hand, but likely used some kind of conversation system, the kind of thing you’d need whenever you need to make a ton of cutscenes for a video game as quickly as possible. With how small Sonic Team is, I don’t think it’s out of the question.
    Preset poses, general lip animation set to move at certain times, and static/panning camera angles are likely all they used for it, but, as this is likely the first time they’ve made one for a Sonic game (maybe even a game in general for Sonic Team), the usual jank and stiffness that comes with early conversation systems were very prevalent here.
    If it *is* a conversation system they used, I have faith they’ll be able to improve upon it much more for the next game if it has as many cutscenes as Frontiers has, especially since the foundation has already been built and can be reused.

  • @youcangli9851
    @youcangli9851 Рік тому +1

    The reason why sonics run is stiff is bc look at the oog sonic run it looks smooth and effortless so sonic team decided to do the same run but 3d

  • @MageoftheTower
    @MageoftheTower Місяць тому +1

    8:54 He’s the Knight of the Wind, he can control wind

  • @Tripple_777-3
    @Tripple_777-3 Рік тому +1

    i love this channel lol, its like you take random ideas im thinking about that no one else is concerned with and turn them into a video

  • @tjz3158
    @tjz3158 Рік тому +2

    Short answer it’s “Eh”

  • @darrylyeo3826
    @darrylyeo3826 Рік тому +3

    Even if sonic frontiers wasn't exactly perfect, it still was enjoyable and was a great comeback compared to theasg game(I mean, come on sonic forces was terrible). The people were satisfied with it. Unleashed is still top dog, however can we just appreciate the story to frontiers? Plus, we have a whole open world! No sonic level ever could compare to that.

  • @alextoonz166
    @alextoonz166 Рік тому +5

    You should make a part 2 to this cuz it seemed like you missed some, Sonic can actually do a drop kick, side kick or an up kick depending on what position you're holding the left stick while doing some combos which actually references Sonic Battle with the drop kick.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому +3

      WAIT THATS HOW YOU DO THOSE COMBOS I THOUGHT IT WAS RANDOM LOL
      I love the sonic battle reference but I had no clue how to get it to work! Thank you for notifying me of that I’m gonna try that out as soon as I can!

    • @alextoonz166
      @alextoonz166 Рік тому +1

      @@oreogod1985 Lmao yea I was randomly flicking the left stick while starting the game and it just worked lol, they can be used for some pretty sick looking combo finishers.

    • @Electrical010
      @Electrical010 Рік тому +2

      Yeah when playing through the game I messed around with the main combo attack and when the left stick is pointed in a direction he does a slide kick up kick and when doing no direction just spins and kicks straight forward, it's actually really clever and should be expanded on.

    • @alextoonz166
      @alextoonz166 Рік тому

      @@Electrical010 I hope in the next open zone game they include it cuz it's a pretty nice touch, though it is crazy that it wasn't explained in the tutorial for the beggining of the game like what????

    • @Electrical010
      @Electrical010 Рік тому +2

      @@alextoonz166 Probably because it didn't really matter, but if they add what they do for MGR and add strong attacks including with the stick...IMAGINE THE POTENTIAL

  • @Matt-uc8dd
    @Matt-uc8dd Рік тому +1

    Frontiers animation is a 6/10. Some are really good and some are really shit

  • @crestofhonor2349
    @crestofhonor2349 Рік тому +1

    I’d love to see you do an animation analysis for Sonic Unleashed since that game has some pretty high production value

  • @Gamex-Frontiers
    @Gamex-Frontiers Рік тому +3

    I actually love this game.
    Edit: please talk about the boosts in sonic games.

  • @TimelessKidd
    @TimelessKidd Рік тому +3

    1:04
    Oh ok!
    *OH ITS A SE-*

  • @mrelephante
    @mrelephante Рік тому +3

    4:55 *I can never un see that lmao*

  • @sometf2player752
    @sometf2player752 Рік тому +2

    1:50 wrong it’s actually quite abit different his quill’s actually move up abit and his hands are different as well I’m surprised you didn’t catch that the boost is also different as well he moves side to side a lot more and his hands are more horizontal I’d actually say frontiers running and boosting animation is a major improvement since forces but it’s not quite there yet

  • @bigwingedkuriboh
    @bigwingedkuriboh Рік тому +1

    Wait, what? I’ve never seen the cyclone kick before

  • @BluRacer7
    @BluRacer7 Рік тому

    I'm not really fond of the Forces models at all, the idea of designing them based of the discontinued Sonic Runners mobile game with characters having shorter arms, legs and proportions would never work when it comes to animating since no matter how much effort they put into them it will come off as stiff, I mean look at for example Eggman in any cutscene in Frontiers and look how awkward he walks due to him being shorter compare to previous games. Sure they're people who like the shorter models but I personally just don't like them.

  • @FaulterYT
    @FaulterYT Рік тому +3

    I wish more breakdancing was introduced into Sonic's moveset like in Sonic Battle

  • @Octo4533
    @Octo4533 Рік тому

    i REALLY dont wanna be THAT person but the running animation is actually a slightly modified version of his forces running animation, with his hands outstretched instead of just being slightly closed behind him

  • @Cool_Name46
    @Cool_Name46 Рік тому +1

    can you make a video about sonic games that fans fixed it

  • @lpgod9470
    @lpgod9470 Рік тому +4

    In sonic team defense they only have 60 team members for a 30 hour open zone game. But I do with pretty much everything in this video

    • @Banana807
      @Banana807 Рік тому +4

      The game it self takes like 15 hours or less to beat if your a sonic fan but yeah

    • @gunman8452
      @gunman8452 Рік тому +4

      It's Sega's fault anyway, and to think they wanted to release the game in 2021. I don't want to imagine how much worse the game would've been. Iizuka is hella patient wit the way Sega treats Sonic Team.

    • @kaosagamerreal
      @kaosagamerreal Рік тому +3

      @@gunman8452 he can't exactly say anything to them about that

  • @sebastianortizramirez4430
    @sebastianortizramirez4430 Рік тому +3

    2:43 the Goofy Yell caught me off guard! 🤣🤣

  • @BUBBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    @BUBBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Рік тому +3

    Remember when we said about how expressive sonic is in frontiers then prime comes out a month later

    • @Banana807
      @Banana807 Рік тому +5

      I mean hes still expressive, somewhat, more expressive than the last 10 years, even if its not a high bar

  • @Boykeeplays
    @Boykeeplays Рік тому

    If you look closely, you can see that his running animation is a little different from the forces run. And although I like the squash and stretch of forces jump, I like how in Frontiers he doesn't just become a glowing sphere. He curls up THEN becomes a glowing sphere. I do wish the animations had better transitions, tho

  • @zzplague5680
    @zzplague5680 Рік тому +1

    Well that’s how cutscenes go for some games so the game can be finished they just don’t move and they just talk

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 Рік тому

      So then what was happening with those past games that have better looking cutscene and being MORE of a finished product?

    • @zzplague5680
      @zzplague5680 Рік тому +1

      @@espurrseyes42 yea the game was made by 60 people not much to work with that’s why the talking was ok

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 Рік тому

      @@zzplague5680
      And Unleashed, a game made when Sonic was more or less on his deathbed, had significantly more people on it? Either that's not true, or it's sad that so few people were on this game after all the shit Sonic's been catching in this era, like they didn't learn the last time they tried this.

    • @zzplague5680
      @zzplague5680 Рік тому +1

      @@espurrseyes42 yes unleashed had more people just because sonic was on its deathbed doesn’t mean sega was going bankrupt they had other games going well from their different companies and why are you pissed my guy sonic frontiers had good talking and emotion just like unleashed just not good camera angles and repetitive angles

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 Рік тому

      @@zzplague5680
      Criticizing a game's poor aspects =/= "pissed". The only pissed person here is the baby trying to assert otherwise because it hurts his feelings that people take issue with your favorite game. Like the "good talking" or whatever you were trying to say. If you meant voice acting, Roger's still no Jason or Ryan. His older, deeper voice doesn't fit the character of Sonic, a [90s] cool teen that is about 15 or 16 based on the Heroes manual. I'd hardly call his "talking good" when he still sounds like a guy pretending to be the character. He's just better than he was in Colors to TSR.

  • @BigKillaJoke
    @BigKillaJoke Рік тому +3

    A fair amount of these moves are sorta taken from older games. Like someone made a breakdown of all these moves/ abilities that he's used in past games and it's really interesting just how wide and far they reached with these attacks.

    • @SoraKingdom3
      @SoraKingdom3 Рік тому

      Oh yeah!? That's pretty interesting! Would you happen to have a link to the video or the name of the creator of said video please?

  • @mrelephante
    @mrelephante Рік тому +2

    The animations are nice though I'm not the biggest fan of the forces jump and the running animations and rail grinding feel pretty stiff, anyway great analysis

  • @iceman92211
    @iceman92211 Рік тому +1

    It’s very mediocre 5.5/10

  • @STARVAs132
    @STARVAs132 Рік тому +1

    what deeply angers me with the homing shot animation is how sonic just floats there, standing, like there's an invisible brick or something.
    like it would've been better if it's sonic jumping, sending them then falling down.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      Yeah I’m not a fan of how many animations sonic is just frozen in the air

    • @STARVAs132
      @STARVAs132 Рік тому +1

      @@oreogod1985 agreed, but then again I've heard they were on a time crunch, and that one of the sonic team members (i don't recall very well sorry) had to beg for another year for development.

  • @zulasxeno
    @zulasxeno Рік тому +2

    Well sure the animations are incomplete but it's a really good 3D and fighting game right

  • @ajbanimatedstudios5014
    @ajbanimatedstudios5014 Рік тому +5

    As awesome as unleashed is. I gotta give frontiers the cutseene win.
    Remember the optional cutseenes are actually just ingame side content you can pick from.
    The true cutseenes are the ones that play and enforce the story progression. Like Gigantos first appearance, or when unlocking a cyber cage to free a friend, or whenever sage pops in to confront sonic. Those are true cutseenes. And you can tell because see those have the most animation effort in them.
    And as good as unleashed looks I have a little fun fact for you involving that game. The charecters are mostly motion captured. They edited some bits to feel more cartoons but I'd you look closely they are all mo-cap lol.
    At the emerald temples when sonic places them, you can see some shaking of the arm and with tails first meeting sonic in werehog form, those are other signs of mo-cap.
    Especially professor pickle...
    Now the side content cutseenes in frontiers is a diferent story. But I like to think of it as a comic book with minimal movement lol. Still frames with some movement and audio. :3

    • @gunman8452
      @gunman8452 Рік тому

      some cutscenes don't feel like mocap like when Sonic is running on the Gaia Colossus, and for gameplay animations Unleashed wins by a land-slide. every animation is smooth and flows into the next, the best example is rail grinding.

  • @morrischan2928
    @morrischan2928 Рік тому +1

    Fun fact with loop kick: slide when you have a target then you will do the move

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      Bro yeah I don’t even do it in the air anymore I just slide into enemies and it just works

  • @Howardpower679
    @Howardpower679 Рік тому +1

    Sonic shoots projeticles since battle... so I don't get what do you mean

  • @ostaxxxx2154
    @ostaxxxx2154 Рік тому +1

    Bro can you do video of the differences of generations sonic model and the sonic frontiers model I don’t like what they did to my boy and I’m sure other people agree

  • @isaiahmcoy9482
    @isaiahmcoy9482 Рік тому +2

    The outro

  • @greenlightning6803
    @greenlightning6803 Рік тому +1

    Can you do a video on sonic bosses

  • @laudj_art
    @laudj_art Рік тому

    Tbh i don't know how to feel about animation in general, it's not bad, but it's inconsistent, as if it were one of those multi-animator collaborative projects, where each one is on their own, some scenes look incredibly good, like the first encounter with Giganto, or others are just generic default animations for the memory tokens dialogues, and others the animation is not bad but the expressions are very weird, I mean, WHY DO SONIC AND KNUCKLES LOOK AT EACH OTHER LIKE THAT WTF

  • @AvitheTiger
    @AvitheTiger Рік тому

    1:10 wtf kind of excuse is that YES IT DOES
    Expressions and emotions and the way the medium portrays them HELP CONVEY TONE
    Everything from the lighting to composition can give the characters' so much feeling and life
    A very good example would be in a noir film
    And like, you can't sit there and tell me the characters in serious games aren't animated expressively
    Everything down to the minute tapping of finger help convey emotion and expression

  • @czms922
    @czms922 Рік тому +1

    This did not just say prime came out a couple weeks after Frontiers, my boy just say a month😭.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      Frontiers came out November 8
      Prime came out December 15
      I don’t get it lol

    • @czms922
      @czms922 Рік тому +1

      @@oreogod1985 it’s a month worth! Lmao

  • @omaralejandro5976
    @omaralejandro5976 Рік тому +1

    Yo nice ending bro 👌.

  • @EnergyTheFoxProductions
    @EnergyTheFoxProductions Рік тому

    To be fair, I don't think it's fair to compare a Sonic cartoon animated by a whole other studio to game cutscenes made by the official team. Game animation and TV animation shouldn't be compared all THAT much, Imo.

  • @PK_Starfire
    @PK_Starfire Рік тому +1

    Another Oreogod W

  • @Lightning_Wolf567
    @Lightning_Wolf567 Рік тому +1

    Dude is trying to compare CGI to in game animation

  • @gameraj_YT
    @gameraj_YT Рік тому +1

    I think sonic can do all these energy attacks because he is infused with cyberspace energy, he says to amy after absorbing the cyber energy that it gave him a boost. Idk but i think that the most logical explanation.

  • @zonikel----
    @zonikel---- Рік тому +2

    The issue of quick animations is that there is no transition for these, something that in AAA games if they have but the lack of time or something else led Sonic to run his animations independently.

    • @oreogod1985
      @oreogod1985  Рік тому

      Yeah it’s very snappy in this game to the point it’s too snappy, it works most the time but noticeably off other times

  • @sonicrunn3r895
    @sonicrunn3r895 Рік тому +1

    The animation is a step up from Forces, which isn't much, but we're going in a better direction compared to the Generations to Lost World to Forces downgrade

  • @najibosman6497
    @najibosman6497 Рік тому +1

    I’m surprised you didn’t mentioned the fact they removed the inbetween animations for the slide, in forces the slide has new animations compared to gens and unleashed and in frontiers they removed the inbetween animations making him go to his normal stance and then into the slide it’s even more jarring when you compare it to forces one.

  • @_Eli_studios
    @_Eli_studios Рік тому

    Don’t mean to be a prick but since you didn’t notice I guess I’ll point it out, yes sonics head was Bobbing, up down forward and backward, Actually I’m surprised that you didn’t see it because to me it’s very obvious when he does it, if you look close you could actually see his quills and his head moving in a bobbing motion so yeah, that’s all I wanted to say

  • @Waturmehlon
    @Waturmehlon Рік тому +1

    I mean, in rush (in his bossfight) he literally creates tornados and has wind effects all over him... maybe we just never got to play as a full potential sonic before

  • @Frogman1212
    @Frogman1212 Рік тому

    I figure the physics of his special moves makes sense if sonic is the master of his own kinetic field. Like if there's a sort of quantum-connection (like Superman's flight) by which he can throw the kinetic energy he generates during movement.

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 3 місяці тому

    Naj...the homing shot animation is good
    6:28 you are capping fr...rge the spin slash is actually good

  • @adrianpaul1985
    @adrianpaul1985 Рік тому +1

    Imagine if sonic had the animation of crash 4 or the spyro remasters. My god...that'd be amazing.