⍼ - Why Nobody Knows What This One Unicode Character Means

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  • @mrlegodude96alt2
    @mrlegodude96alt2 2 роки тому +10883

    I like to imagine it was a scribble in a margin of some obscure math proof that people were too afraid to question and it just kept getting passed around

    • @empoleonmaster6709
      @empoleonmaster6709 2 роки тому +300

      @@nokiasnakes it’s a spam bot report it and move on

    • @Koisheep
      @Koisheep 2 роки тому +192

      it does look like someone was about to write the qed squate but then realised it's a proof by contradition lol

    • @aaroncruz9181
      @aaroncruz9181 2 роки тому +14

      No stonks? :(

    • @JamesJamersonIsAGod
      @JamesJamersonIsAGod 2 роки тому +19

      @@Koisheep right? It def gives me QED vibes

    • @chrstfer2452
      @chrstfer2452 2 роки тому +11

      @@Koisheep i hate when i squick my qed squates

  • @jamesross1003
    @jamesross1003 Рік тому +755

    It is a little known electrical engineering schematic symbol. It simply means a ground to neutral leg junction of a 3 phase circuit. The point where they come together. Where you might find this symbol is just before an earth ground symbol. It is discontinued now for the most part, but was used to denote a way to help with the radio noise a 3-phase circuit makes so as to not allow bleed over to shortwave radio, cb radio, uhf tv, ect. Now the noise is generally cancelled out with ferrite beads, shielding, and filters.

    • @stickyfox
      @stickyfox 7 місяців тому +21

      In RF systems, particularly below 30 MHz, an actual earth ground is still the only way to do it.

    • @jamesross1003
      @jamesross1003 7 місяців тому +34

      @@stickyfox Older receivers have this marking on the backside of the units.(from the 1950 to 1960s if I recall correctly). I have had in the past an old transatlantic unit that had this marking. Thanks for the reply.

    • @Blacksnowfanfics
      @Blacksnowfanfics 7 місяців тому +9

      No it's not discontinued it's commonly used on schematics even my predators motherboard schematics uses it

    • @jamesross1003
      @jamesross1003 7 місяців тому +15

      @@Blacksnowfanfics I think the one you are referring to is a bit different. The top of the one you refer to (if I am not mistaken and I could be) has a small triangle. It's close but not exactly the same. Check it please and if it is the same let us know and where it is located on the schematic. I am curious as this was and as far as I know still is used to show where a ferrite beaded cord or cable was called for. I would not think this would be hardwired into a motherboard but I guess if there is a lot of rf shielding needed maybe so. That is why I am curious as to where it is on the schematic.

    • @Skeldann
      @Skeldann 6 місяців тому +11

      So it's likely an artifact from when early computer engineers had to know about electrical theory to build & modify their machines.

  • @lampboy926
    @lampboy926 Рік тому +1206

    Similarly, there is "彁"
    This is a Japanese Kanji (Aka. Chinese character) but contains absolutly no meaning known. This is called "Yūrē Moji" or "Ghost Character" in Japan, which was quite more, but most of their origins were found eventually. In the end only this one letter "彁" left as mistery.

    • @NoName-zn1sb
      @NoName-zn1sb Рік тому +92

      its

    • @sthwrth3250
      @sthwrth3250 Рік тому +324

      @@NoName-zn1sb RIP, my man got executed mid sentence

    • @darkwing0o0rama
      @darkwing0o0rama Рік тому +103

      Don’t comment because the Yūrē Moji kills you, I just read about it and now t

    • @280zjammer
      @280zjammer Рік тому +15

      L

    • @kaironst2969
      @kaironst2969 Рік тому +72

      @@darkwing0o0rama haha guys this is such a funny joke, you guys ca

  • @SkyQuakee
    @SkyQuakee 2 роки тому +9614

    wow this video was really ⍼ i especially liked the part where hai explains why ⍼ is still a unicode character ⍼ video ⍼ /10

  • @J.DeLaPoer
    @J.DeLaPoer 2 роки тому +4480

    Its the symbol for electrical load on a circuit. I haven’t seen it in like 30 years, but there you go. I wasn’t aware it was a proprietary thing, but it may be a Swiss/German standard not used elsewhere.

    • @aquawoelfly
      @aquawoelfly 2 роки тому +130

      😲

    • @Aligartornator13
      @Aligartornator13 2 роки тому +424

      Could you elaborate further? I could probably find a source if you know a certain field/situation where this was used... (am from Germany and have access to uni libraries)

    • @talkysassis
      @talkysassis 2 роки тому +442

      @@Aligartornator13 If it's a symbol for electrical loads, then you may find something in old metro stations or distributions of the network with high voltage.

    • @Karl_Kampfwagen
      @Karl_Kampfwagen 2 роки тому +408

      It usually means that the system is Grounded for High Voltage on that path, such as Lightning or other surges.

    • @martinhorner642
      @martinhorner642 2 роки тому +196

      I actually believe this. I'm not sure why.

  • @warrenporter7264
    @warrenporter7264 2 роки тому +4124

    In meteorology, we have symbols for denoting surface weather observations. ☇ means lightning and ☈ means thunderstorm. Maybe ⍼ was a corruption of one the thunderstorm one?

    • @Sanguivore
      @Sanguivore 2 роки тому +79

      Really great idea!

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 2 роки тому +150

      Underwater thunderstorm! 😁

    • @ArkienII
      @ArkienII 2 роки тому +186

      ⍼ reminds me of lightning rod grounding scheme (could be any electrical grounding too)

    • @kraklakvakve
      @kraklakvakve 2 роки тому +71

      @@harriehausenman8623 Understorm?

    • @mikaoleander
      @mikaoleander 2 роки тому +102

      is there also a meteorological symbol for "very very frightening"?

  • @rrobz3948
    @rrobz3948 7 місяців тому +71

    This video needs an update. If it hasn't been posted yet (there are a crapton of comments and could only scan so much), the source of this character that apparently led to its incorporation into ISO/IEC TR 9573-13 is a 21 page insert appended to a typeface catalogue from Monotype Corp. Ltd., entitled "List of mathematical characters" (1972), where the symbol was designated with the matrix serial number S16139. The whole AFII thing was a red herring.

    • @Sonyim414
      @Sonyim414 6 місяців тому +6

      But what does it mean?

    • @22espec
      @22espec Місяць тому +3

      ​@@Sonyim414 It's an electrical engineering Symbol, mostly used in germany.

  • @bobburns811
    @bobburns811 8 місяців тому +59

    As "Manager of Text and Imaging Systems" at Amiga, I was amused to see something I did 40 years ago. I wondered if your example at 1:38 showed glyphs for the same hex character, but those shown for IBM/Mac/Amiga would have been encoded 9A/8B/E7. I offer: displaying E5 on all three would yield σ/Â/å. Unicode was a great but we weren't ready for all the places 16-bit characters broke things, especially as there was only 256 KB of RAM 🤯

  • @anzahanifathallah
    @anzahanifathallah 2 роки тому +3698

    according to XKCD #2606, the character is a symbol for Larry Potter, so that's what i'm going with. the same comic also helpfully pointed out that ⩼ means "confused alligator", ⭈ means "snakes over there", and ⨓ means "integral that avoids a bee on the whiteboard"

    • @MinnesotaExpat
      @MinnesotaExpat 2 роки тому +243

      I am shocked it took me this much scrolling to find an XKCD reference.

    • @anzahanifathallah
      @anzahanifathallah 2 роки тому +185

      @@MinnesotaExpat i'm even more shocked that the video doesn't have an XKCD reference, given the comic has been out for like a week or two now.

    • @PRIMEVAL543
      @PRIMEVAL543 2 роки тому +21

      Wait, did u really mean Larry Potter? I never heard of that and reviews are terrible.... wait... is it a lightning over L??? WTF?????????????

    • @MoonCowGaming
      @MoonCowGaming 2 роки тому +2

      @@anzahanifathallah because most people done give a care in the world about some bad comic book.

    • @victordonchenko4837
      @victordonchenko4837 2 роки тому +113

      @@MoonCowGaming comic book lmao. You clearly don't know what xkcd is or how popular it is in scientific/engineering circles...

  • @mwhearn1
    @mwhearn1 6 місяців тому +14

    Angzarr is now the name of my Big Bad Evil Guy in the DND campaign I'm running. And he comes with his own symbol too. Thanks Half As Interesting.

  • @howtodrawwithpaint4648
    @howtodrawwithpaint4648 8 місяців тому +20

    Unicode Character “⍼” (U+237C)
    Name: Right Angle with Downwards Zigzag Arrow
    Unicode Version: 3.2 (March 2002)
    Block: Miscellaneous Technical, U+2300 - U+23FF
    Plane: Basic Multilingual Plane, U+0000 - U+FFFF
    Script: Code for undetermined script (Zyyy)
    Category: Math Symbol (Sm)
    Bidirectional Class: Other Neutral (ON)
    Combining Class: Not Reordered (0)
    Character is Mirrored: No
    HTML Entity: ⍼ ⍼ ⍼
    UTF-8 Encoding: 0xE2 0x8D 0xBC
    UTF-16 Encoding: 0x237C
    UTF-32 Encoding: 0x0000237C

  • @andimcc6131
    @andimcc6131 2 роки тому +1484

    Decent video, there's one thing about Unicode I think is important to understand to understand why this wasn't just allowed to happen, but *had* to happen. The goal of Unicode was to replace *every* previously existing character encoding standard. That means a core rule of Unicode is that it must support "round-trip conversion" with every older standard. You must be able to convert a document in a previous standard into unicode, and then back again to the previous standard, and the final document must be unchanged. So for example "one dot leader" (․) might be in practice exactly the same as a period (.), but Unicode has to give them separate characters, because in XCCS (the Xerox Character Code Standard from 1980) they were separate characters, so if Unicode collapsed them both into period then converting an XCCS document containing one dot leaders to unicode and back would result in the one dot leaders being changed to periods. And if there was a risk that converting an XCCS document to Unicode might damage (alter) the document, then that might give people an incentive to keep around documents in XCCS, thus defeating the goal of Unicode to be the one and only world standard. This roundtrip rule is why, if an ISO standard ever contained a character simply by accident (like ⍼), Unicode is *not allowed* to correct that accident.
    The roundtrip conversion requirement is also part of why Unicode contains about twenty different characters for a space (at least one of which is completely redundant with another space character) and, in the Arabic Presentation Forms-A block, a prayer ("﷽" -- that is one character right there, codepoint 65021, it's called the Basmala and it's a blessing common in the Muslim world to open prayers or in some places legal documents).

    • @bachaddict
      @bachaddict 2 роки тому +73

      thanks for the background info!

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 роки тому +70

      @@bachaddict of course it'd contain a prayer that every Muslim is obligated to say everytime the prophet's name is mentiond. It's also why you have
      №: short for no. Which is short for "number"
      ±: short for + or - which is either short for "plus or minus" or short for "positive or negative"
      §: short for "section"
      You could type all of these out as statements but writers typically write them as if they're one character, and so do typist when they type them.

    • @TurboZarya
      @TurboZarya 2 роки тому +169

      @@Stevie-J idc I liked the extra info and breakdown

    • @Terri_MacKay
      @Terri_MacKay 2 роки тому +88

      Thanks for explaining the "round trip rule". With Unicode having to adhere to that rule, it makes sense that the character may have been an error, and is now part of Unicode forever.

    • @shayan-gg
      @shayan-gg 2 роки тому +42

      i think you meant Bismillah. Also the character '﷽' is 'Bismillah al-Rahman al-Raheem'

  • @Soupie62
    @Soupie62 Рік тому +12

    I am reminded of the stories about Van Halen's contract, which specifies no browm M&Ms. A quick look lets them determine if all fine print of the contract has been read.
    This could be a Unicode version of that check.

    • @tomkerruish2982
      @tomkerruish2982 6 місяців тому +3

      I've read it's because their shows involved pyrotechnics, performers being lifted with harnesses, and other potentially hazardous procedures. They wanted to know if the local crews actually read all the safety instructions.

  • @sundhaug92
    @sundhaug92 2 роки тому +731

    This is actually not the only character in Unicode with no known meaning. Because Unicode intends to have an encoding for any script ever used, it also includes stuff like the Linear A script used by the Minoans 1900 BC. Linear A has yet to be translated.

    • @JOAOPENICHE
      @JOAOPENICHE 2 роки тому +16

      Nice

    • @sundhaug92
      @sundhaug92 2 роки тому +129

      @@JOAOPENICHE Speaking of "nice". Since unicode includes Egyptian hieroglyphs, and some Egyptian hieroglyphs represent genitalia, it includes symbols for genitalia

    • @danielk2055
      @danielk2055 2 роки тому

      @@sundhaug92 Nice 𓂺

    • @DrToonhattan
      @DrToonhattan 2 роки тому +170

      @@sundhaug92 Well it's good to know that the ancient Minoans and ancient Egyptians will be able to send emails to each other.

    • @themilkman6969
      @themilkman6969 2 роки тому +33

      As well as the Voynich manuscript

  • @MrRosco
    @MrRosco 8 місяців тому +35

    The symbol ⍼ is known as the "Z notation input delimiter." It's used in formal methods like the Z notation for specifying and designing computer systems to mark the beginning and end of input.

    • @SenselessUsername
      @SenselessUsername 2 місяці тому +1

      If that were true, why isn't it in the 1992 second edition of the Z Manual? Not sure why this has 30+ upvotes.

  • @carlgomberg
    @carlgomberg Рік тому +10

    At 0:40 there's a version with a rounded "lightning bolt" that looks like a sine wave going up the y-axis. Taken that way, this symbol could represent a rotated "right hand rule" showing the moving charge (sine/triangle AC waveform on y-axis), the magnetic field line (straight x-axis), and the magnetic force (vector/arrow on z-axis).

  • @HenryBloggit
    @HenryBloggit 2 роки тому +882

    Half as Interesting single-handedly keeping the stock footage industry alive.

    • @rjtimmerman2861
      @rjtimmerman2861 Рік тому +8

      Together with Thoughty2

    • @itsFnD
      @itsFnD Рік тому +6

      Also one youtuber called IGoByLotsOfNames

    • @bilge677
      @bilge677 Рік тому +4

      @@itsFnD an igblon viewer on a half as interesting video? weird coincidence

  • @Alex_Deam
    @Alex_Deam 2 роки тому +272

    2:36 My fave Unicode fact is that the Unicode Consortium is all those tech companies plus, randomly, Oman's Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs

    • @iwatchwithnoads7480
      @iwatchwithnoads7480 2 роки тому +75

      A lot of Islamic phrases are repeated a lot and unicode makes life easier to write them quickly. I guess Oman was the first country to bring this up to the committee

    • @Nalehw
      @Nalehw 2 роки тому +28

      I guess it makes sense to include some cultural organisations from different countries around the world (since all the tech corps are going to have a very American focus), but Oman specifically? And JUST Oman? That's weird!

    • @tanithrosenbaum
      @tanithrosenbaum 2 роки тому +37

      @@Nalehw It's probably so uncontroversial that the other islamic countries are happy to let one country do the work (and foot the bill for committee meetings etc)

    • @LaCriaturaDelMar
      @LaCriaturaDelMar 2 роки тому +2

      @@iwatchwithnoads7480 okay, but what about the endowments?

    • @kim2894
      @kim2894 2 роки тому +36

      @@tanithrosenbaum it's also a relatively neutral Arab state with even a separate Islamic school than the Sunni and Shias, so i guess they are more than happy to let Oman officiate all the shortforms.

  • @regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk
    @regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk Рік тому +24

    The Angzar is truly one of the Unicode characters of all time!

  • @nicolethe_slay
    @nicolethe_slay Рік тому +3

    This character “‽” is called Interrobang, the code (unicode) is U+203D and the html is ‽

  • @mrmimeisfunny
    @mrmimeisfunny 2 роки тому +590

    2:46 It's actually added for Teletext compatibility, not Apple II compatibility.
    Teletext was a way for analog broadcasters to broadcast text.

    • @Minecraftzocker135
      @Minecraftzocker135 2 роки тому +68

      I like that you explain what teletext was because young people don't know anymore while my mom still uses it to this day

    • @MetallicMutalisk
      @MetallicMutalisk 2 роки тому +16

      teletext still exists

    • @99temporal
      @99temporal 2 роки тому +5

      @@Minecraftzocker135 what does she use it for?

    • @Minecraftzocker135
      @Minecraftzocker135 2 роки тому +5

      @@99temporal mostly time I think. She uses analoge clocks and they tend to run dry at some point

    • @TheStrongestBaka
      @TheStrongestBaka 2 роки тому +5

      I guess teletext is still the best way to look up a weather forecast if you somehow can't go online at home, maybe?

  • @Shinigami906
    @Shinigami906 2 роки тому +832

    I would guess that ⍼ represents "exiting or breaking a known system" - something used to describe that an element cannot be used or transcends the understanding of a system that it's attempting to operate in. It could be in maths, physics, programming, philosophy, etc.

    • @Cau_No
      @Cau_No 2 роки тому +34

      That would be a "boundary break" …?

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 2 роки тому +1

      that was my interpretation of it as well.

    • @Villagerslime
      @Villagerslime 2 роки тому

    • @someweeb3650
      @someweeb3650 2 роки тому +10

      I love that meaning, this is now what I'll say to anyone that asks what it means when it's a tattoo on my leg :D

    • @curtiswfranks
      @curtiswfranks 2 роки тому

      I do not know of any mathematics or physics that does that, though. :(

  • @felixq723
    @felixq723 Рік тому +13

    This symbol is a cultural staple of LSD users, and especially in the LSD user/Chaos Magick practitioner overlap. To some, while under the influence, it's a perfect visual representation of time and space, and can appear 3D with the S wrapping around the L. Some Chaos Magicians also use it as a symbol for a "magickal current," which I don't know how to explain without a foundational lesson on the whole system. The LS current or Ellis current are search terms that could lead you to more. If you see graffiti of this symbol, there's a high chance it was put there by someone trying to utilize the LS current.
    This is a very popular system of magic for a wide variety of anti-establishment subcultures, and this current in particular is supposed to have to do with bringing down the status quo and/or channeling chaos. In that way, it sort of links into Discordianism, but with much less joviality and much less regard for anyone's safety, including the practitioners.
    Very many of the practitioners I have met work in the tech industry, some of which have been over the age of 60 and got into it by way of Thelema, or the works of Austin Osman Spare.
    Fun fact: Jack Parsons, a prolific chemist and rocket engineer, practiced Thelema and credits that for his breakthroughs on rocket engine technologies.
    Disclaimer: I *strongly* advise against anyone practicing chaos magick. I have only ever seen it lead to significant and worsening mental health issues, including severe, persistent delusions, scapegoating, and dangerous levels of escapism. "If it's not working, it's because you don't believe hard enough and you need to strengthen your delusion," is a literal foundation of this belief system. I'm interested in magic systems from an anthropological perspective, and can say with confidence that getting deeply involved with this one messes you up bad. Please don't.

    • @mewithyouu
      @mewithyouu Рік тому

      Thanks for your comment this was an interesting read

    • @mewithyouu
      @mewithyouu Рік тому

      However he references this theory at 14:16 do you have a response for that?

  • @greglinski2208
    @greglinski2208 Рік тому +4

    I really ⍼ the video. Thanks!

    • @lorenzodiambra5210
      @lorenzodiambra5210 Місяць тому +1

      4:29 In Russia we have a beautiful word to describe the same meaning: "Ж"

  • @SuperSmashDolls
    @SuperSmashDolls 2 роки тому +349

    Fun fact: this isn't even the only meaningless character in Unicode. Japanese has infamous "ghost characters" (幽霊文字 yuurei moji) that exist purely because Japan's standards bodies made a bunch of typos when standardizing Shift-JIS. That got wrapped up into Unicode because Unicode has a standing policy of accepting pretty much anything that existed in an already standardized character set (which is also part of the reason why we have emoji).

    • @equilibrum999
      @equilibrum999 2 роки тому +17

      but we know these yuurei wenzi origin, that it was an error

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 роки тому +16

      @@micahmeneyerji I can't tell the difference between the last two. Is it less than 0.5dp or something?

    • @donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244
      @donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244 2 роки тому +15

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx some of them are just literally the same

    • @hbowman108
      @hbowman108 2 роки тому +1

      Maybe it's presence and absence of a zero width space?

    • @Maldito011316
      @Maldito011316 2 роки тому +1

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx UA-cam filters some of it

  • @basilwhite
    @basilwhite 2 роки тому +136

    Back in the 80's SPSS used this symbol to mean "unplottable negative value", like, for a scatterplot to see the correlation between time to complete the survey and number of correct answers, it's okay if the scatterplot shows a negative *correlation* of data points from the upper left to the lower right inside the plot, but this data representation assumes 1) no one reversed time and completed their survey in -2 minutes, or 2) got 14 questions wrong on a 10-question form. So this was (and may still be) statistical shorthand for "data points appearing in supposedly impossible negative territory."

    • @MerlinJuergens
      @MerlinJuergens Рік тому +5

      There we have the answer!

    • @BenDud3
      @BenDud3 Рік тому +3

      This one makes sense the most for me.
      Either that or is a "magic" symbol as another dude pointed out. Probably you answer is better, since it's based on real life

    • @GhostSamaritan
      @GhostSamaritan Рік тому +2

      What did they change the symbol to?

    • @psymar
      @psymar 7 місяців тому

      Do you have evidence, like an example of it being used?

    • @TimJSwan
      @TimJSwan 5 місяців тому

      Is there a link to a manual like a pdf with the symbol shown and a date? It would be nice to share it with everyone.

  • @mil87_
    @mil87_ 8 місяців тому +8

    Probably my favorite Unicode Bloc is the Phaistos Disc characters; hieroglyphic-type characters from an undeciphered language that has only been found on one single ancient greek artifact: The Phaistos Disc. it contains such gems as BEEHIVE (𐇧),
    CHILD (𐇔), GRATER (𐇹), and WAVY BAND (𐇼).
    Unicode takes their "encode every character ever" mission very seriously.

  • @9o261
    @9o261 Рік тому +2

    I AM THE WITCH KING OF ANGZARR! *helmet crumples in on itself*

  • @estern001
    @estern001 6 місяців тому

    My uncle was an electrical engineer. He knew the dollar was doomed and came up with that symbol to display it. He called it the Dwindle, because that's what the dollar was doing. He actually got a money order for $5, and sent it in, so it would be recognized in the future. He's been gone for 6 years now, but I know he would be happy to know his symbol will soon be recognized worldwide.

  • @BrainSlugs83
    @BrainSlugs83 2 роки тому +258

    So, back in the day, we used to have terminals that printed characters out -- like a typewriter -- instead of a computer screen. -- You would connect to a mainframe, send it commands, and it would respond by printing characters out.
    A common trick, was to use backspace (which can't delete an already printed character), and just print a new letter over the top.
    So to underline something, you could print a "_" and a backspace, and then the letter "S", and that would give you an underlined S right there.
    This looks like two characters that may have been used in some ancient application, that they were probably porting to a modern system (that used screens instead of printers!) back in the mid 90s, and they wanted to make sure that future terminal applications would maintain compatibility with some crazy double printed character.

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 роки тому +24

      So "backspace" didn't delete the character it just moved the pointer left? So it was almost like the "←" button?

    • @The_Blazement
      @The_Blazement 2 роки тому +21

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx unless you had one of the fancy ones that had built-in whiteout

    • @danielbishop1863
      @danielbishop1863 2 роки тому +25

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx Yes, backspace allowed overstriking. A popular way to create "bold" text was to print something, then backspace over it and print the same thing again to make it darker.

    • @OGPurePhoenix
      @OGPurePhoenix 2 роки тому +5

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx No. Backspace deletes the character on screens. Old machines didn't have arrow keys. They didn't even have directories or graphical interfaces to navigate. There were running stuff similar to a command prompt/telnet/dos

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 роки тому +20

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      Interesting unicode in your name ;) . For the original use of most ASCII characters, imagine that you were sending them to a printer, and you didn't send a new one until the previous one had been finished. Carriage return moved the print head (the "carriage") back to the starting point, but didn't move the paper. Line feed moved the paper, but not the carriage. Tab originally moved the carriage to a mechanical marker (the "tab"- this behavior was inherited from typewriters, where manually set tabs were used to make it easier to fill in forms with typewriters; this usage is why the tab key will sometimes move a cursor to the next GUI control), before being changed to fixed spacing. Other character encodings did similar things.

  • @kyyyyyle2571
    @kyyyyyle2571 Рік тому +4

    Just noticed that some modern routers use the downward arrow symbol for download speed indication. So maybe this symbol is supposed to be used to represent abnormal variation in download speeds

    • @TheExileFox
      @TheExileFox 7 місяців тому

      That's much newer than when the symbol was introduced though.

  • @AppliedCryogenics
    @AppliedCryogenics 7 місяців тому +2

    Looks like a schematic symbol for a lightning rod to me. Current traveling towards ground. I think that lends creedence to the other gentlemen's post saying that it is a symbol for electrical load on a circuit, of which a lighting rod is a specific case.

  • @X_Baron
    @X_Baron 2 роки тому +168

    The beginnings of Unicode were apparently somewhat chaotic. The math symbols in particular contain a lot of ideas that some working group members had collected from unknown sources and just threw in. There was seemingly endless space so probably the thinking was "why not add anything that might be useful". This was, of course, foolish in hind sight.

    • @benfll
      @benfll 2 роки тому +27

      People making Unicode: "there's basically endless space!"
      Emoji, waiting to be invented: "heh heh heh, that's what you think"

    • @Aligartornator13
      @Aligartornator13 2 роки тому +1

      I mean up until the 40s/50s every university/study group ect. had their own symbols and made them up along the way with their ideas (at least in maths, physics, etc.). Many of the original scripts of people like Pauli or Gödel are probably illegible in modern times. ⍼ is probably one of this old symbols.

    • @CreepyboomGamer
      @CreepyboomGamer 2 роки тому +5

      Emoji was already invented, just not added to the Unicode standard.

    • @creativename4879
      @creativename4879 2 роки тому +3

      Why is it foolish in hindsight?

    • @eduardolarrymarinsilva76
      @eduardolarrymarinsilva76 Рік тому +1

      Can I have a source for this claim please? 🥺

  • @Lady_Omni
    @Lady_Omni 2 роки тому +64

    Hi, I'm the girl who painted that Linking Sigil shown at 4:20 (nice) in the video. Never thought it would get as much exposure as it did, but woah I am definitely impressed!

    • @ErikratKhandnalie
      @ErikratKhandnalie 2 роки тому +10

      That's awesome, that's my favorite drawing of Ellis. Also, not every day I encounter anyone else who's even heard of DKMU.

    • @Lady_Omni
      @Lady_Omni 2 роки тому +5

      Yep, I've been in it for 12 years now. Come say hi, we're not hard to find!

    • @GaryWarman
      @GaryWarman 2 роки тому +3

      HI OMNI I SEE U THERE :3

    • @GaryWarman
      @GaryWarman 2 роки тому +2

      @@ErikratKhandnalie drink yer grape juice youngin

    • @peter9477
      @peter9477 2 роки тому +1

      Did you invent it, or merely paint that (awesome) version of it? If the former, was it inspired by the unicode glyph at all?

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped Рік тому

    "A snake slithering off a chair because you just asked it a really offensive question about snakes and ruined your whole dinner"
    Sounds like something that happened to me in 7th grade, lol.

  • @harley_trader
    @harley_trader 2 роки тому +220

    You should do a video on how printers still use the ⎊ as the stop button, when that symbol has largely been phased out from older European stop signs.

    • @Meaxis
      @Meaxis 2 роки тому +61

      WAIT, THAT COMES FROM STOP SIGNS?!

    • @jackgerberuae
      @jackgerberuae 2 роки тому +36

      That is Yield sign.
      It is stop, but not dead stop.

    • @RyanLynch1
      @RyanLynch1 2 роки тому +13

      wow i didn't know that's what the button symbol was from

    • @InvagPrune
      @InvagPrune 2 роки тому +10

      Didn't know that either, yield signs here are just upside down triangles, no circle around them

    • @harley_trader
      @harley_trader 2 роки тому +8

      @@jackgerberuae No it's not, it's an older alternative used in Britan until the mid 70's

  • @ngwoo
    @ngwoo 2 роки тому +328

    I've found a few references to Dutch economics textbooks using it to denote the Y-axis continuing below the X-axis.

    • @thesaddestdude3575
      @thesaddestdude3575 2 роки тому +11

      My man!

    • @bill-clintongaming
      @bill-clintongaming 2 роки тому +4

      I think that’s the answer then

    • @windcorpOLEGSHA
      @windcorpOLEGSHA 2 роки тому +5

      Are you sure they are old enough to count?

    • @andrewharrison8436
      @andrewharrison8436 2 роки тому +63

      The market for Dutch economics textbooks becomes suprisingly active as 2 million HAI subscribers look for evidence.

    • @x1xx1x1xx1
      @x1xx1x1xx1 2 роки тому +17

      Ìf you don't mind taking it a few minutes it'd be great if you could upload an image on an imagehosting site and share the link here (:
      Thank you

  • @Melody-qf5oy
    @Melody-qf5oy 6 місяців тому +1

    Dimensional shift left. (The spiral goes around the y axis, the arrow is the z axis facing the user)

  • @Eggbutts
    @Eggbutts 2 роки тому +299

    Me: hey mom can we get ⍼
    Mom: we have ⍼ at home
    ⍼ at home: ϟ∟

    • @RubyPiec
      @RubyPiec 2 роки тому +10

      why would you want ⍼

    • @PROPLAYEN
      @PROPLAYEN 2 роки тому +26

      Man, I only got⚡L

    • @Name_Pendingg
      @Name_Pendingg 2 роки тому +3

      @@RubyPiec because ⍼ is the answer to everything, we just need to figure out what it specifically means

    • @wizardsghost876
      @wizardsghost876 2 роки тому +1

      @@Name_Pendingg so its just a shortcut for '42'?

    • @WildBluntHickok
      @WildBluntHickok 2 роки тому

      ⍼ at MY home: ∟∟
      Me: "fucking dollar store"

  • @ItIsMyHandle
    @ItIsMyHandle Рік тому +5

    Thanks for making this good video, it was so ⍼!

    • @lorenzodiambra5210
      @lorenzodiambra5210 Місяць тому +1

      4:29 In Russia we have a beautiful word to describe the same meaning: "Ж"

  • @pierreuntel1970
    @pierreuntel1970 2 роки тому +98

    It's for when the market gone mad and the price goes back in time

    • @kam2894
      @kam2894 2 роки тому

      lmao

    • @blumoogle2901
      @blumoogle2901 2 роки тому +2

      The price going back in time is interesting, but I thought it was the symbol for when the interest rate has an imaginary component, like when the interest on your loan is (2.53+14i)%

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 роки тому +1

      @@blumoogle2901 how the fuck do you interpret that? And how do you pay 2.83i dollars of interest to the bank?

    • @mechadeka
      @mechadeka 7 місяців тому

      Temporal inflation

  • @MrShamooga
    @MrShamooga 2 роки тому +208

    He actually put the phonetic guide for Sigil on the screen and still mispronounced it 😂

    • @columbus8myhw
      @columbus8myhw 2 роки тому +7

      Phonetic guides? What strange magic!

    • @duckner
      @duckner 2 роки тому +24

      he just reads a script, then the editors put the images. so it makes sense

    • @VioletEdgar
      @VioletEdgar 2 роки тому +15

      Hey now, it wouldn't be a HAI video without a mispronounciation or two!

    • @ctbrokaw
      @ctbrokaw 2 роки тому +5

      How do you pronounce it? Sigil or sigil?

    • @almitydave
      @almitydave 2 роки тому +42

      @@ctbrokaw The G is pronounced opposite to the G in GIF.

  • @ralphmueller3725
    @ralphmueller3725 8 місяців тому +2

    at face value i feel like it's telling me everything i did was wrong and I should feel bad.

    • @lorenzodiambra5210
      @lorenzodiambra5210 Місяць тому +1

      4:29 In Russia we have a beautiful word to describe the same meaning: "Ж"

  • @KleinOfficial
    @KleinOfficial 2 роки тому +400

    I almost forgot about this symbol! I actually registered it for a few bucks way back then. The reason was that I wanted a half-satirical half-informative content creator on a then non-existent medium to wonder about its meaning in about five minutes.

    • @madbruv
      @madbruv 2 роки тому +11

      proof

    • @phoule76
      @phoule76 2 роки тому +10

      visionary

    • @Golfnut_2099
      @Golfnut_2099 2 роки тому +19

      But... but... but... I registered the code way back then. The reason was so someone could post in a non-existent future forum claiming the reason they created it was they wanted a half-satirical half-informative content creator on a then non-existent medium to wonder about its meaning in about five minutes.
      I was successful!!! Too bad I had to wait this long.

    • @Hunnter2k3
      @Hunnter2k3 2 роки тому +7

      You joke, but I'd do something like that just for fun.
      I've already created a bunch of random crap I specifically created to confuse people many MANY years in the future long after I am dead. (although knowing me quantum computing will invalidate my efforts!)

  • @fred_e
    @fred_e 2 роки тому +172

    I wonder if it is meant to represent a lightning rod? Considering, that there is a symbol indicating a short to ground

    • @ArtamisBot
      @ArtamisBot 2 роки тому +5

      This was also my thoughts...

    • @linkly9272
      @linkly9272 2 роки тому +7

      that’s actually not a bad idea

    • @Oscar4u69
      @Oscar4u69 2 роки тому +6

      @@linkly9272
      half a good idea

    • @scottbilger9294
      @scottbilger9294 2 роки тому +4

      I like it. My first thought was it was some kind of ground.

    • @DavidMacLuna
      @DavidMacLuna 2 роки тому +5

      Hmm - maybe a degaussing symbol, then.

  • @BluesAndNoise
    @BluesAndNoise Рік тому +5

    I like to think it means something innocuous like “move tab stop to next line”. Word processors are pretty universal in using the right angle for tab stops.

  • @flamindigo
    @flamindigo Рік тому

    nothing could ruin this video - it makes ancient, maggot-ridden feces look good

  • @NigelMelanisticSmith
    @NigelMelanisticSmith 2 роки тому +175

    Trying to read that character on my Smartwatch was a struggle lol

    • @Nate5
      @Nate5 2 роки тому +18

      Why would you watch UA-cam on a smartwatch

    • @aguyusingyoutube2088
      @aguyusingyoutube2088 2 роки тому

      @@Nate5 ikr

    • @raylee8906
      @raylee8906 2 роки тому

      weird of you to say that

    • @NigelMelanisticSmith
      @NigelMelanisticSmith 2 роки тому +2

      @@Nate5 I just got the notification for it

    •  2 роки тому +1

      @@Nate5 Because they can.

  • @MACTRUQUE
    @MACTRUQUE Рік тому

    I found this video going down the rabbit hole of why incandescence was federally banned from being manufactured in the US

  • @Microtonal_Cats
    @Microtonal_Cats 14 днів тому

    I bet it's an accident, like how "Dord" meaning Density was in the dictionary for 5 years, but turned out was just mean "D or d was an abbreviation for Density."

  • @uncanalaleatoriouwu
    @uncanalaleatoriouwu Рік тому +284

    If you keep the good work, I think your channel is gonna ⍼!

    • @potato1907
      @potato1907 Рік тому +8

      NOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • @mugtaba9805
      @mugtaba9805 Рік тому +1

      ​@@potato1907 ?

    • @textertesilly
      @textertesilly 8 місяців тому +1

      NAH
      its gonna ⍨!

    • @seanj3667
      @seanj3667 8 місяців тому +3

      That's pretty rude.

    • @uncanalaleatoriouwu
      @uncanalaleatoriouwu 8 місяців тому

      @@seanj3667 why? I'm just telling him his channel is gonna ạ̶̡̈̂s̶̨̐c̵̠̉e̵̟͔͂̽̚n̸̺̏̿d̸̠̅͒ ̵͍̉̚t̴̖̰͎͒ǒ̵̗̀̈́ ̸̖͆t̵̠͑͜h̶̢̜̦̊e̵̥̜̊̐̌ ̸͔̱̄̍͐š̷̫̺̔i̴̧̥͋̂̓x̶̳̼͉̔̐t̶͎̤͑h̶̩̓ ̵̘̳̈́͜l̷̙̳̽̃ô̷͉̾c̸͉̘͈̑̒ḁ̵̳̻͛t̷̠̲̿̃i̶̥̓͌̚ó̸̥͌̐n̶̹̥̎͘ ̶̡̼͔͂̀

  • @coolnj4
    @coolnj4 2 роки тому +17

    ⍼.

  • @zebul5854
    @zebul5854 Рік тому

    Im gonna go with the moment when you accidentally hit your elbow and it zippity zap you through multidimensional existence of ourselves

  • @martinw.8572
    @martinw.8572 8 місяців тому +1

    Well, I used the symbol in a research essay at school to mark connections to different chapters, so I guess it has a meaning for me now.

  • @pyglik2296
    @pyglik2296 Рік тому +71

    The thing about The Unicode Consortium is that they do not care what do the symbols mean. That's why they name characters like Upper Right Block Diagonal Lower Middle To Lower Right and not simply Lower Left Part Of A Larger Shape. They describe the look of a character and not its use. And if symbol exists and someone had used it, they add it in.

    • @gwalla
      @gwalla 7 місяців тому +1

      That's not quite true. They just assign names and properties to character codes, but the actual appearance is left up to fonts. The code charts do include pictures, but they aren't definitive. Things like the box drawing characters and block elements have names like UPPER RIGHT BLOCK DIAGONAL LOWER MIDDLE TO LOWER RIGHT (Unicode names are officially in ALLCAPS for some reason) because their shape *is* their meaning.
      This actually causes some problems with emoji, which are generally chosen based on their graphical looks, but may look somewhat different to a recipient, leading to confusion. This is especially common with the facial expression emoticons: one example is the notorious Samsung Pervert Grimace.

    • @joemck85
      @joemck85 7 місяців тому +1

      There's a whole lot of "block" characters in Unicode, as well as in the proprietary character sets used by various vintage computers. On the old computers they came from, they were used to draw pictures in text mode. It was a way you could make primitive pictures on a computer that didn't have a graphics mode. Or maybe you didn't want to enter graphics mode because it was lower resolution than text mode and you just wanted to draw a distinctive frame around your text box and graphics mode would make any text you draw ugly and blocky.
      So, it isn't a specific part of a larger picture, it's a building block you can use many different ways. You might put a bunch of UPPER RIGHT BLOCK DIAGONAL LOWER MIDDLE TO LOWER RIGHT in a row to make a saw blade 🭓🭓🭓🭓🭓🭓🭓🭓. Or you might use one of them to make a smooth transition from a bold horizontal line made up of UPPER HALF BLOCK, to an even thicker horizontal line made of FULL BLOCK ▀▀▀▀▀🭓█████. (No clue whether either of these will look nice, my Windows 10 doesn't have 🭓 in a font Chrome cares to use on UA-cam so I just get a rectangle with an X in it. Edit: Neither does my Android phone. I'm beginning to think this character isn't actually implemented on anything and is more of a placeholder to be used by a one-off font to be packed in with an emulator for whatever retro computer it was on.)

    • @Megalomaniakaal
      @Megalomaniakaal 6 місяців тому

      @@gwalla ...the what?

  • @justinforseth
    @justinforseth 2 роки тому +73

    "This weird little guy has been programming into nearly every single computer on Earth for decades, having been updated and carried over countless different times. But if no one seems to know what it means, then that raises a kind of strange question: Why is this symbol in your computer and who put it there?"
    I imagine there's quite a lot of code that's just sitting in most operating systems where the original purpose and author have been long forgotten, but no one removes it because they're afraid it'll break something. Backwards compatibility and all that...

    • @jeremyreese54
      @jeremyreese54 2 роки тому

      Old, out of use engineering shorthand. Unicode does not remove symbols. There is the entirety of dead languages preserved in Unicode.

    • @LilacMonarch
      @LilacMonarch 2 роки тому +4

      like the tf2 coconut jpg

    • @energy538
      @energy538 2 роки тому +9

      @@LilacMonarch like that, except it isn't a coconut and it isn't actually a vital system...
      The 2fort cow, though... That's a keystone file if I've ever seen one.

    • @worstdudeever
      @worstdudeever Рік тому

      @@energy538 Apparently the coconut jpg makes the game break when deleted

  • @nagranoth_
    @nagranoth_ Рік тому

    Never seen it, and I've gone over unicode tables to find a character multiple times per year for decades

  • @movezig5
    @movezig5 8 місяців тому +1

    If I were to hazard a guess before I watched the video, I would have guessed it was used in a UI of some kind, since it's a right angle and those were sometimes used to create boxes on screen in older computers, but hearing it was in a set of mathematical symbols rules that out.

  • @pepp1n047
    @pepp1n047 2 роки тому +32

    Search up the Poynting vector in electrical engineering and also apply that to a short circuit so it represents the short circuit towards the flow of electrons across a conductive material. IE: a electric welder follows that idea.

  • @maxweaver5589
    @maxweaver5589 2 роки тому +300

    "listen kid, I don't have much time, the secret for immortality is ⍼"
    *melts*

  • @realdragon
    @realdragon 8 місяців тому

    "I'm gonna add this character fir shits and giggles"
    Then this person forgot about it week later

  • @lemonZzzzs
    @lemonZzzzs 7 місяців тому

    it's clearly a "lemon power" symbol. one of the most important symbols in all history of writing.

  • @hanabiilesley
    @hanabiilesley 2 роки тому +20

    this character clearly means
    "L+get shocked"

  • @HeHasNoName
    @HeHasNoName 2 роки тому +25

    Actually this came up in a course when I was studying IT at uni and our lecturer mentioned that he had some old documentation that showed the character was used to represent

    • @zanayeng3983
      @zanayeng3983 2 роки тому +1

      represent what?

    • @MerrowHawk
      @MerrowHawk 2 роки тому +6

      @@zanayeng3983 That's the joke! 😄

    • @jonathanrichards593
      @jonathanrichards593 2 роки тому +12

      I have a perfectly reasonable explanation for this symbol that this UA-cam comment is too small to contain.
      P. de Fermat

    • @Aligartornator13
      @Aligartornator13 2 роки тому

      @@jonathanrichards593 take my upvote bloody mate

  • @adammiller4311
    @adammiller4311 6 місяців тому +3

    It was me I payed the $5. 🤔

  • @MAabmets
    @MAabmets 6 місяців тому

    Vertical line is Y axis. Horisontal line is X axis. Arrow actually starts from where horisontal and vertical lines meet, and it is the Z axis. The squigly line starts from where the three axis meet, and it goes 3 dimantionally up and right towards the viewer.

  • @hanzimaster
    @hanzimaster 2 роки тому +400

    In the Japanese encoding system JIS X 0208, there are a few kanji encoded that are not found in any kanji dictionary. These are commonly known as “ghost characters” (yuurei moji 幽霊文字).
    The standard acknowledged the sources for these characters, but later people were unable to find these characters in the original sources. Later it was found that the encoded forms were wrong, and the forms that were supposed to be taken, were not encoded. Despite this, one character remains truly elusive, 55-27 彁 (U+5F41), its sources were not acknowledged and no results were found after extensive research. The character 彁 has since then become an internet phenomenon.

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 роки тому +14

      So what happened with the characters that were wrongly encoded? And what happened to the charcters that were not encoded?

    • @hanzimaster
      @hanzimaster 2 роки тому +92

      The wrong characters are still there, because once a character is encoded, you can’t remove it. The correct characters were added later to different JIS code pages.
      The most famous of such characters is 54-12 妛,which was a mistake for 𡚴。The source, when preparing the script for print, stuck two pieces of paper together for the 山 and 女 parts, but the gap in the paper created a mark in the print, and this was mistakenly spread as a vertical line in the middle. The right form 𡚴 was encoded in JIS X 0213.
      Likewise, 52-63 壥 is believed to be a mistake of 㕓, but the correct form is still not in JIS X 0213.
      For a more extreme case, 61-73 汢 was encoded for a place name, but the source character was wrong, and it should have had 冫instead of 氵。This character is still not even in Unicode. In 2002, the place that used this character officially changed their name to the form with 汢 for convenience.

    • @RaymondHng
      @RaymondHng 2 роки тому +9

      @@hanzimaster 彁 is composed of the 弓 radical for bow (weapon) and 哥 for older brother.

    • @hanzimaster
      @hanzimaster 2 роки тому +27

      @@RaymondHng An Asahi Shimbun commentator claimed that he found 彁 in a paper from 1923, in the term「埼玉自彁會」,but it was picked up wrongly by the digitization program, and was supposed to be 彊 (see 自彊術). Now for sorting and convenience, the character 彁 is arbitrarily assigned the reading “ka” (from 哥) or “sei”.

    • @haruhisuzumiya6650
      @haruhisuzumiya6650 2 роки тому +1

      @@RaymondHng and mountain and girl make that above kanji but which is the radical?

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 2 роки тому +38

    I think this symbol should come to represent "Dord" which is the accidental word invented as a symbol for density that was added to the dictionary when someone mistook "D or d" for a word because because someone didn't leave enough space between the "or" and the lower and uppercase D's.
    Spaces are important. I once saw a hand written sign that was meant to say "Pen is broken" but because there was no space between "pen" and "is" It led me to ask the only male there how he had done it, and why he felt we all needed to know it was broken.
    He was very confused until I pointed out the sign to him.

    • @RMBlake007
      @RMBlake007 2 роки тому +1

      Comment of the day award!!!

  • @howtodrawwithpaint4648
    @howtodrawwithpaint4648 8 місяців тому +1

    I feel sad for this Unicode character "⍼". This one must be remember.

  • @Ugerflingy
    @Ugerflingy Рік тому +1

    I could see it as a way to represent a third axis (Z axis) since having a third line identical to X and Y would just look like a weird sideways y or something - in other words, it would be easily confused.
    And since trying to add extra detail like dashes or entire included symbols would make the symbol unnecessarily complex, having an arrow to signify “the third axis” was the most simplistic possible solution.
    Basically just Axis X and Y as the angle, arrow designating axis Z.
    Though I’ve got no clue what it is for sure so don’t quote me here.

  • @magenty_m_axol
    @magenty_m_axol 5 місяців тому +1

    Pass the banana down already, whats the wait, the instructions were clear!

  • @Ready_Set_Boom
    @Ready_Set_Boom 2 роки тому +84

    It looks like the Y-Axis is being reduced, i.e. “reduction” or “reduce”. Or even indicate the y-axis is showing a negative value.

  • @trolleyfan
    @trolleyfan 2 роки тому +31

    To me, this has got "leave that slot open, we'll put something there later" written all over it.

  • @edgeeffect
    @edgeeffect 8 місяців тому +1

    "Ancient" and "Chaos Magick" just don't belong in the same sentence.

  • @aqdrobert
    @aqdrobert 2 місяці тому

    Agent Mulder: I would tell everyone what that symbol means, but we would have to kill them afterwards.
    Scully: Yeah. Right. Whatever.

  • @filiptrnka-tz1do
    @filiptrnka-tz1do 4 місяці тому

    ChatGPT says this: The "INSERTION SYMBOL" (⍼), represented by the Unicode codepoint U+237C, is primarily used in APL (A Programming Language) and related contexts. In APL, it typically denotes insertion or the placement of elements into an array or a data structure. It serves as a visual indicator in APL code to signify operations involving insertion.

  • @singletona082
    @singletona082 2 роки тому +229

    Angzar looks almost like something you'd see in a schematic.
    Except not.

    • @dsnodgrass4843
      @dsnodgrass4843 2 роки тому +1

      I always thought it referred to "loss" , be it of voltage or data in compression. Like it would in a schismogram or suchlike.
      But I'm just an old weirdo, so who can say?

    • @schwig44
      @schwig44 2 роки тому +2

      @@dsnodgrass4843 nah, this refers to "loss" though
      i ii ii i _

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 роки тому +4

      Someone in another comment mentioned it being used back in the 80s in electrical schematics to indicate the maximum rated electrical load, in situations where thermal runaway could damage the electronics.

  • @flaetsbnort
    @flaetsbnort 2 роки тому +5

    Tired: Sneaking a chaos magick sigil into the Unicode database
    Fired: Using a Unicode character with a completely unkown purpose as a base for your chaos magick sigil

  • @djalienprime
    @djalienprime Рік тому

    That awkward moment when I realize that I see this character for the 1st time in my life while being user/programmer since 1995...

  • @jevinday
    @jevinday 7 місяців тому

    That ended up being much more interesting than i thought it would be. That was like 7/9 as interesting.

  • @cmyk8964
    @cmyk8964 2 роки тому +28

    Wikipedia page for _Ellis (sigil):_ [clarifies that “sigil” is pronounced /ˈsɪdʒəl/]
    Sam: [confidently mispronounces it as /ˈsɪɡəl/ multiple times]

  • @zsoltontube
    @zsoltontube Рік тому +4

    This is giving me angzarriety.

  • @Slimelia_
    @Slimelia_ 2 роки тому +49

    Barbara Beeton responded to this video herself: "The information in the video is inaccurate. It fails to recognize that the inclusion of the character in the STIX collection was based on its presence in a version of ISO 9573-13 earlier than the 1991 version cited, a version which existed long before AFII was formed."

    • @Aligartornator13
      @Aligartornator13 2 роки тому +8

      Where did she says that?

    • @louisreinitz5642
      @louisreinitz5642 Рік тому +8

      He mentions that he didn't want to pay 198 euros for the pdf of ISO 9573-13.

  • @enigmaticx326
    @enigmaticx326 2 роки тому +29

    Given the sheer number and variety of characters represented in Unicode, it would be extraordinary if there weren’t any errors.

    • @ccreutzig
      @ccreutzig 2 роки тому +6

      Unicode even has some errors documented in technical note #27. They decided that stability was more important for the project goals than, say, correctly listing U+0238 as a ligature instead of a digraph.

    • @Hijiri_MIRACHION
      @Hijiri_MIRACHION 2 роки тому +2

      @@ccreutzig There's also the character ㌬, while it was supposed to be spelled バーツ to represent the Baht, a typo resulted in the spelling パーツ. This caused it to become unused, and sometimes fonts that include the CJK Compatibility block don't include this specific character because of this.

  • @alexkirwan7146
    @alexkirwan7146 7 місяців тому

    Is ChatGPT correct here?
    The symbol "⍼" is known as the "APL functional symbol circle jot". It is used in the programming language APL (A Programming Language), which is known for its use of unique symbols to represent operations and functions. APL is a language that has been historically significant in the fields of mathematics and computer science, particularly for applications involving array processing and manipulation.
    In APL, each symbol or combination of symbols represents a specific function or operation, often related to array or matrix manipulation. The "circle jot" symbol specifically is used to denote a particular function or operation within the language, though its exact use can depend on the context within which it appears.
    APL is known for its concise and expressive syntax, which allows complex operations to be represented in a very compact form. However, this also means that APL can be challenging to read and understand for those not familiar with its symbols and syntax.

  • @franzrogar
    @franzrogar 7 місяців тому

    I've used that symbol decades ago meaning that the vertical axis in a graph is NOT continuous nor proportional. Example: a graph of X:workers in a Y:monthly-salary. In this graph, there will be nothing between $0 and, let's say, $1,000, so instead of drawing a huge empty bottom, you hack the start to 1,000 instead of 0; plus you hack the Y-axis again between $5,000 and $20,000 because that's the top of the "normal workers" and the minimum of the "CEOs and friends", thus the Y-axis is NOT a complete-range nor continuous and the top range of paid people is distorted to look closer to the workers.

  • @lafcursiax
    @lafcursiax 2 роки тому +59

    I'm such a Unicode nerd, I got super excited when you said "I need to explain how Unicode works in the first place," even though I already know damn well how it works. (And that message box at 1:55 brought back terrifying memories of '90s foreign websites in Netscape Navigator.) Still, I never heard the story of the angzarr before. Thanks for helping add another layer to my nerdiness!

    • @abyssstrider2547
      @abyssstrider2547 2 роки тому +3

      I only learned about unicodes now, but i literally knew what unicodes were since i was 5 years old.
      And even then i didn't see them but i dreamed of unicode.
      Like a super long stream of unicode just flashed by and i woke up. It was bizzare and one of my earliest memories.
      And i have not had a computer till i was 12, but i always desired one my whole life strangely enough.
      I did recognize a few: U+2297,U+2242,U+23CA,U+25B1,U+2205,U+2252,U+22A8,U+22B5,U+22B7 and U+22C9.
      But there were many more, these are the only ones that i recognized from unicode list.

    • @isheamongus811
      @isheamongus811 2 роки тому

      As ci was first

    • @CreepyboomGamer
      @CreepyboomGamer 2 роки тому +1

      You mean ASCII? Because plenty of character encoding schemes existed prior to Unicode, ASCII is just one of them.

  • @bobtoad8601
    @bobtoad8601 Рік тому +1

    I remember have seen that simbol in an old computer for the power button.

  • @Nat_the_Chicken
    @Nat_the_Chicken 2 роки тому +54

    The most amusing part of this to me is the people in the comments stating with 100% certainty what it means. They're absolutely sure that they know, despite the fact that several different meanings are being stated this way. You can't really provide any proof in a UA-cam comment, can you?

    • @LaurenzEdelman
      @LaurenzEdelman 2 роки тому +5

      Yeah, there is a lot of "I know for sure what it means (even though I have never seen it before I watched this video)"

    • @schwig44
      @schwig44 2 роки тому +3

      @@LaurenzEdelman I can say with 100% certainty that is exactly the meaning of ⍼

    • @senseisecurityschool9337
      @senseisecurityschool9337 2 роки тому +1

      It's like a quotation mark, except it's quoting a random thought you had, which you are now certain of, for no reason whatever. It's the "random idea cake completely out of my butt therefore it must be true" symbol.

    • @googiegress7459
      @googiegress7459 2 роки тому +2

      I interpret those comments to be a person's best guess, in absence of them literally typing out something like "this is absolutely the real answer". Life gets a lot easier when you don't assume to know with certainty what someone is thinking / feeling when they make a comment.

    • @Nat_the_Chicken
      @Nat_the_Chicken 2 роки тому

      @@googiegress7459 Well, that's true, the way to interpret any of these comments that makes the most sense collectively is as guesses and guesses only. But there are a few comments where the people specifically claim to have had experience with that symbol in some specific field, and it's multiple completely different fields. That's the kind of "I'm sure I'm right" I'm talking about, it's kind of hard to translate that to a "best guess" when it's a specific claim which can't be backed up.

  • @DugrozReports
    @DugrozReports 5 місяців тому

    This video kind of explains why moving a text file from a PC to a Mac in the very early 90's often resulted in gibberish.

  • @HenryMaier
    @HenryMaier 6 місяців тому

    It can be a symbol for large models, like LLM. Large models come from large data sets that are then converted into much smaller files, but can then be used to generate content. The downward zigzag arrow symbolized this, because the data is being reduced in size, but is not being compressed like WinZip.

  • @a22ming
    @a22ming 2 роки тому +60

    In the ISO/IEC TR 9573-13:1991 document it just stated "Entity Name: angzarr" and "Short description: angle with down zig-zag arrow
    ". It seems the symbol doesn't have any specific meaning by default.

    • @flemmingogalund9266
      @flemmingogalund9266 2 роки тому

      😳

    • @Frrk
      @Frrk 2 роки тому

      Thanks for actually checking.

    • @martenkahr3365
      @martenkahr3365 2 роки тому +11

      Yep. The ISO/IEC TR 9573-13:1991 had already blindly included it, likely from some existing collection of symbols, without knowing what the original purpose was. For all we know, it was originally a printing error that somehow got added to a list of symbols because whoever was compiling the list didn't recognise it as an error.

    • @captianmorgan7627
      @captianmorgan7627 2 роки тому +2

      From another poster it sounds like it is a symbol for the electrical load on a circuit. Maybe mostly used by Germans/Swiss.

  • @zacharyhenderson2902
    @zacharyhenderson2902 2 роки тому +100

    The symbol ⍼ was actually first invented somewhere between 1973 and 1978 when it appeared in an architectural drawing. It was more than likely just a printing error. Then in the early 1980s, around 1983 it began to be used in certain business documents, generally for memos and some presentations.

    • @Nat_the_Chicken
      @Nat_the_Chicken 2 роки тому +22

      Proof? E.g. scans of the drawing or business documents or textbooks

    • @HomelessPank
      @HomelessPank 2 роки тому +16

      yeah pics or it didn't happen

    • @jackgerberuae
      @jackgerberuae 2 роки тому +2

      What Architectural drawing? I have never seen this, and I am in this business 🧐

    • @bill-clintongaming
      @bill-clintongaming 2 роки тому +5

      Link the Dutch textbooks

    • @zacharyhenderson2902
      @zacharyhenderson2902 2 роки тому

      @@jackgerberuae that's because the full symbol as you and I see it wasn't what was used.

  • @wakkowarner8810
    @wakkowarner8810 7 місяців тому

    Some bored kid in the 90s paid $5 to register it for no reason at all not realizing it would exist in Unicode in the 21st century.

  • @senororlando2
    @senororlando2 7 місяців тому

    After seeing this I used the character as a GroupMe topic name and it broke the ability to change topics for almost a full year

  • @realsimroads
    @realsimroads Місяць тому

    I don't know what's more depressing, the fact that a full-time narrator can't pronounce a two-syllable word like "sigil" correctly, or that the literal pronunciation key is on screen when he's mispronouncing it...

  • @gedmiller
    @gedmiller Рік тому +1

    In electrical engineering it looks like a symbol for a potentiometer.

  • @weeraanmelden
    @weeraanmelden 2 роки тому +22

    it feels like a symbol to describe the grounding for lighting thingies on buildings, the long cable connected on the wall to the ground that prevents that you from getting fried when lighting hits your building. The ZigZag symbol is current flowing through the cable on the side, the L symbol is a wall and the floor.

    • @bbgun061
      @bbgun061 2 роки тому +1

      lightning rods, you mean?

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y
    @user-cd4bx6uq1y 2 роки тому +7

    Imagine losing a channel just because youtube stops showing it to you randomly. Last year was quite a period of life, and there was a lot of mess. And amidst all that youtube just stopped recommending this and I didn't mind at first, then forgot. This is so funny. The kind of funny because of how ridiculous the situation is. Lol!

  • @kdthehun
    @kdthehun 2 роки тому +149

    ⍼ = Housing not grounded. Was used in the 80's in some electrician magazines in some European countries but never actually caught on.

    • @GreaterJan
      @GreaterJan 2 роки тому +29

      Do you have any evidence for this?

    • @adhiwicaksono6149
      @adhiwicaksono6149 2 роки тому +50

      @@GreaterJan THE SOURCE IS I MADE IT THE FUCK UP

    • @danielbetancourt6174
      @danielbetancourt6174 2 роки тому +18

      @@GreaterJan It came to me in a dream

    • @N0T4K0P
      @N0T4K0P 2 роки тому +11

      @@GreaterJan my cousin's wife's best friend told my parrot who then repeated it to me

    • @archonp.385
      @archonp.385 2 роки тому +4

      This was once revealed to me in a dream