Naomi Wolf: Third Wave Feminism

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  • @GibLit1988
    @GibLit1988 8 років тому +236

    She lost me when she said third wave feminism is much less dogmatic. A lot has changed since 2008...

    • @domenicsandri5836
      @domenicsandri5836 3 роки тому

      She’s evil.

    • @laurasamaduroff5261
      @laurasamaduroff5261 3 роки тому

      @@domenicsandri5836 how is she evil

    • @billsimms2511
      @billsimms2511 3 роки тому +10

      @@laurasamaduroff5261 she’s knowingly hurting women . And men. And society . First wave feminism was fine but where they are now is just insane

    • @danielknierim2234
      @danielknierim2234 3 роки тому +6

      what if I told you we're living in 4th wave feminism now?

    • @rmcooktails
      @rmcooktails 3 роки тому

      @@danielknierim2234 ??

  • @turdferguson2125
    @turdferguson2125 8 років тому +137

    i've never been one who is a fan of labels...lets call it third wave feminism.

  • @conradsumertheagents1871
    @conradsumertheagents1871 8 років тому +18

    There is no beauty 'myth' - beauty, and the experience of it, is one of the few things that makes life bearable.

  • @azenkwed
    @azenkwed 8 років тому +43

    Ali G brought me here.

  • @earlgrey2130
    @earlgrey2130 5 років тому +24

    Imagine a movement that claimed to be for green and red people. But then only talks about green people, only cares about green people's issues and actively fought any red people trying to voice their own issues as well, telling everyone that green people are opressed and it's red peoples fault and actively shamed, harassed and guilt tripped all red people simply for being born red.
    Would you say that this movement is really for equality between red and green people? Or would you think that somewhere along the line this movement has become poisoned and is move about political power than actually helping people (both red and green)?

    • @BilalAhmed-jn9qk
      @BilalAhmed-jn9qk 4 роки тому

      Couldn't say it better

    • @billsimms2511
      @billsimms2511 3 роки тому

      It’s so far beyond ‘equal rights’ at this point. It is cancer

  • @deadbicyclist
    @deadbicyclist 10 років тому +32

    Feminism, like any other social theory, exists in varieties, each with its own nuances. To attack 'Feminism' is like attacking 'Socialism,' or 'Capitalism,' or 'Democracy'; it's too broad of a theory to attack in one argument fairly because it isn't really one theory. 'Feminism' is many theories that share a common, and really very general, assumption: that men and women should enjoy equal rights and opportunities.
    Now, certainly there are feminists who make wrong assumptions, wrong statements, and take wrong actions in pursuit of the cause of equality of the sexes, and there are proclaimed feminists who mistake tearing down all men for promoting a culture wherein women are respected; but gadzooks, reading all these snipes and down right hostile comments about feminists and Feminism reveals a group of narrow-thinkers at best, attacking something they don't really understand or haven't given fair consideration.
    If you believe, honestly, that women should be given the same respect and social considerations as men (and I'm not talking lip-service here) then you share an important value with any feminist. You may disagree about nuances, but you agree about what's important.

    • @aaronmurrayhenson9686
      @aaronmurrayhenson9686 4 роки тому +3

      You're correct, to a point. That's why most people here are specifically attacking 3rd wave feminism.

    • @PeturMag
      @PeturMag 3 роки тому +3

      I want my son to have the same opportunities as my daughters.
      Feminism is Cancer.

    • @billsimms2511
      @billsimms2511 3 роки тому +3

      There is a very good reason people attack 3rd wave feminism. 3rd wave goes way beyond ‘equal rights..

    • @Misshowzat
      @Misshowzat Рік тому +1

      There's a huge difference between being a feminist & an egalitarian *that's* where fairness is

  • @anonymousli4204
    @anonymousli4204 5 років тому +14

    I'm at 1:55 and she just said that third-wave feminism had good outcomes and I was struggling to try to think of one. Can anybody think of one good thing that the feminists did?

  • @Albacorewing
    @Albacorewing 12 років тому +5

    Seeing this as a lively discussion, I'd like to post about an incident today where two women tried to force me to be "chivalrous," and I refused. I was in a busy supermarket line. Right was I got to near the cashier this woman customer at the cash register said to the female cashier that she had forgotton something. So she walked off and I stood there for about two minutes. I asked the cashier to ring me up and the cashier said: (see Part Two)

  • @solidspirit2365
    @solidspirit2365 5 років тому +5

    The negative connotations in regards to 3rd wave feminism are in regards to the extremely unbalanced and contradictory elements...such as a males being demonized for having sexual reactions to sexualized clothing, or made to fear a negative reaction by simply wanting to communicate with a woman in a public area, then women say things like"there are no real men left"...when they have made it almost politically incorrect to be a "real man" the examples are endless.

  • @nrookie2
    @nrookie2 9 років тому +4

    I saw her 'debate' Karen Straughan on here.
    She showed up in her fancy clothes & push-up bra and said absolutely nothing of substance. It was her working her crowd of fans. How do women like her?

  • @Plottoberry
    @Plottoberry 12 років тому +3

    I live in the Netherlands and if someone tells me that I look nice, regardless of gender, I appreciate that and I say ''thank you''.
    The point about rape, I'm not sure but I know there is a much bigger taboo on rape when the victem is male. A colleage of my mum was abused when he was young and he has these anger issues, he sometimes is a true danger to his family. Stories like that break my heart. Rape is terrible.
    Objectifying... that's a hard one. I must say that sometimes I think the same.

  • @BracaPhoto
    @BracaPhoto Рік тому +1

    Ever since this whole debacle started I've come to really HATE the words PRESSUME and ASSUME -🤣🤣🤣- To no fault of the words themselves - they are a fine combo of letters - i feel bad for not using you anymore👍👍

  • @CpsLock3
    @CpsLock3 13 років тому +3

    Keeping a closed minded view of the word has it's perks. It keeps your brain from falling out and rotting away like Niomi Wolf's did.

  • @algebra5766
    @algebra5766 9 років тому +10

    They jumped on the popularity wagon of the new atheists and now are popular again, leaving a destroyed atheist movement behind them....
    Feminism, you can't beat it .....

    • @timallen4717
      @timallen4717 6 років тому +3

      I disagree. Gender shouldn't even be considered at all in these situations. If someone is good at their job then they should be the one to benefit, regardless of gender. It has been acknowledged that certain industries attract certain types of people which results in some industries such as beauty or fashion being dominated by either men or women (women in this case). Business is business. If men start more businesses than women then it isn't a matter of inequality for the most part; it's a matter of interest.

  • @jonesrbd1
    @jonesrbd1 10 років тому +1

    The wage gap has been debunked countless times. Any google search on "wage gap debunked" will show exactly how. Not to mention a number of books on the subject, like "Why men earn more... the startling truth behind the pay gap," by Dr. Warren Farrell. This isn't exactly new information either.

  • @aaronjohnston1584
    @aaronjohnston1584 Рік тому +1

    Modern Feminism is simply, Right without Responsibility - Action without Consequence.

    • @jzen1455
      @jzen1455 Рік тому

      Equality only when it benefits women. Non-equality if it doesn't benefit them. But don't worry, men are dismantling feminism by identifying as women and displacing women's spaces. They reap what they sow. lol

  • @rosiemarie8548
    @rosiemarie8548 10 років тому +8

    Whoa! Why all the dislikes?

    • @Umirua
      @Umirua 9 років тому +19

      Because the third wave of feminists have only proven to be an insulting off-spring of what was before it. Before it was actually about giving the rights that men already possessed that went from vote right and so on. But now they just are way more sensetive and makes almost every negative action toward women, small or grand, a world problem that we all need to listen to. If anything of those negative actions would happen to a man it's not something to care about. The third way is an insult and it's now idiotic, lesbian feminists from mainly the U.S.
      What I'm trying to say is, they so many dislikes because she says that the third and fourth wave are something good while they are just an insult to what it was and they try to blame everything on men

    • @rosiemarie8548
      @rosiemarie8548 9 років тому +2

      IShallUseFire! Yeah i know all about third wave feminism but i was just wondering why so many dislikes when she didn't say anything offensive.

    • @Umirua
      @Umirua 9 років тому +6

      Rosie Marie It was the fact that she was wrong that made people dislike. It doesn't matter wether she was offensive or not, she was wrong about the wave, and so she is given dislilkes

    • @rosiemarie8548
      @rosiemarie8548 9 років тому +1

      IShallUseFire! Most videos of her have dislikes

    • @lavachebeadsman
      @lavachebeadsman 9 років тому +3

      Because in third wave feminism nobody is happy. The male supremacists hate it for the obvious reasons, and anyone whose read any second wave feminism hates the third wave because it's so puerile.

  • @jomaruy117
    @jomaruy117 8 років тому +24

    they should make a channel for these kind of people.
    "Small Think"

  • @adamhudson4332
    @adamhudson4332 6 років тому +1

    Naomi strikes me as a rare intellectually honest feminist. She's thoughtful, rather than dogmatic.

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    I already wrote, childcare is an example. Paternity and maternity leaves aren't equal, and, as I mentioned before, the fact that only half of men choose to take off even the two weeks they're entitled to shows that the society's and their attitudes aren't equal either.

  • @Plottoberry
    @Plottoberry 12 років тому +7

    That was an interesting video. Especially what she said about the women in Oxford telling her that they felt more free when they wore a headscarf.

    • @Conn30Mtenor
      @Conn30Mtenor 3 роки тому +1

      Never mind that women who remove them in Iran face dire consequences.

    • @natashamonshter5435
      @natashamonshter5435 3 роки тому +1

      @@Conn30Mtenor the social structures are completely different. As she said in Iran their hijab is not the worst of their problems. In the US that shouldn’t happen. But our highly sexualized culture can be very shocking to many people of other cultures.

  • @edwardkarl
    @edwardkarl 14 років тому +4

    I haven't seen someone this in love with herself in a long time.

  • @SouthTexasThrowdown
    @SouthTexasThrowdown 11 років тому +2

    Third Wave Feminism ina nutshell - "Hey girls, the last two waves of feminism gave us equal rights now let's go after special privileges."

  • @Albacorewing
    @Albacorewing 12 років тому

    I will bet that the manager of the store told that cashier to go re-stock everything. There was canned tuna, mayonaise, a bunch to tomatos, wine, four gallons of milk, etc. Men need to do this. When women treat men as non-persons, just walk out on them. You will be surprised at the satisfaction you get.

  • @AbirTarafdar
    @AbirTarafdar 8 років тому +13

    Feminists are annoying but I've always found Naomi to at least be polite and friendly.

    • @Lizzy_Vuitton
      @Lizzy_Vuitton 7 років тому +7

      How many feminist do you know, sadly sounds like not a lot

    • @timallen4717
      @timallen4717 6 років тому +1

      Unfortunately, feminism has become such a broad term for people who are for true equality between men and women. Of course, there are 'feminists' that have skewered perceptions of what true quality between men and women actually is and I hope these are the 'feminists' Abir finds annoying.

    • @jordandior3191
      @jordandior3191 6 років тому +1

      cause you know, women can't be outspoken or raise our voices because it'll scare all the widdle baby menz.

    • @cockoffgewgle4993
      @cockoffgewgle4993 5 років тому

      You typo'd attractive

    • @cockoffgewgle4993
      @cockoffgewgle4993 5 років тому

      @@jordandior3191 Yeah, because it's men that get terrified and revert to victim mode when the opposite sex raises their voice, lol

  • @AdamTezz
    @AdamTezz 12 років тому +4

    One thing that women cant never understand, that RESPECT IS EARNED, NOT DEMANDED!

  • @TheMogBear
    @TheMogBear 11 років тому +2

    Thank you very much for reminding people what the true goal of feminism in amongst all these misrepresentations :) I appreciate that, as a man, you'll get called a 'pussy' 'magina' 'white knight' and other ludicrous terms because apparently demonstrating compassionate and empathetic behaviour is a bad thing, so thank you, I love your comment :D

  • @StanWeiner
    @StanWeiner 11 років тому +1

    I love her make-up, lippy and eye shadow- really enhances her best features. What's she talking about again?

  • @Albacorewing
    @Albacorewing 12 років тому +6

    PART TWO: "You need to wait. She is a lady and you need to be patient." By now I had put A LOT of groceries on the treadmill. Well, the female customer came back and the two women started to chit chat like I was not there. I said: "I AM OUT OF HERE" and walked out the door. The cashier came running to say she was sorry but out I went, and over to a Ralph's Market about two miles down the road, where I got my stuff all over again. But I was very pleased with the lesson I taught.

  • @realias
    @realias 11 років тому +8

    I'm so tired of all the bitter men commenting on these videos just talking bullshit. This is a woman who is reflective and educated about these matters, giving her opinion in a well-formulated way. The difference between her and you lot is painfully obvious. I'm male btw.

  • @theshadyvoice8887
    @theshadyvoice8887 7 років тому +2

    "...it's time for them to make their own mistakes" Well no worries honey - they make nothing else.

  • @teerexness
    @teerexness 13 років тому

    My sewer is backed up, the electricity is going on/off from a storm and there's a "Check Engine" light on in my car. I want to support my feminist friends. What number do I call to have women help me with the actual problems and where they aren't just comfortably and safely answering the phones?

  • @joelbradshaw7810
    @joelbradshaw7810 8 років тому +9

    big think be like,
    "yo this lady be cra cra, who let her in the studio? Anyway, we need to meet our video Que, put this lunatic in 240p."

  • @omnamahshivaya4045
    @omnamahshivaya4045 11 років тому +15

    I just watched what I saw as a perfectly good and logical video, and coming down here has left me gobsmacked. I can't think of anything horrible that she said in this video.
    Anyone?

    • @markslist1542
      @markslist1542 4 роки тому +4

      She mislabeled third-wave feminism completely.

    • @nakita2954
      @nakita2954 4 роки тому +1

      @@markslist1542 she literally just said she invented the term out of nothing. How the hell could that be mislabeled?

    • @billsimms2511
      @billsimms2511 3 роки тому +1

      She completely gave a false definition of 3rd wave feminism. She skipped over 90% of the radical dogma lol

  • @CrazyDoggy1
    @CrazyDoggy1 11 років тому

    Good response, you are sooooo insightful.

  • @hmcg020
    @hmcg020 12 років тому +1

    "Third wave feminists are more alert and like to use power, media control and consumer practices" Thanks for that, hopefully the people who are devoted to you have enough self respect to question what that means.

  • @Razzy1312
    @Razzy1312 11 років тому +3

    Veronica while I admire your thoughtfulness, unfortunately women like you are far and few between. As a 23 year old male, most women definitely "want their cake and to eat it too." Trying to get a girl to split cost of dates with you is a great way to stay single. Too many women out there think feminism means "I want to make my money and spend yours."

  • @rdelainey6383
    @rdelainey6383 8 років тому +22

    So many hateful and ignorant comments: the true proof of the presence of intellectual laziness is to attack the person speaking the idea instead of taking on the idea itself.
    Wolf has an interesting perspective to share that even critics could learn something from if only they bothered to listen as opposed to gainsay.
    Let the ad hominem attacks begin...

    • @XxStonedKillerxX
      @XxStonedKillerxX 8 років тому +2

      True, as an anti feminist, who supports women, she has a lot of right things to say. I try not to take things at face value and I always try put my emotions aside.

    • @Two-zj3rd
      @Two-zj3rd 6 років тому +3

      R Delainey What is the need of feminism in the western world though? Everyone is equal in the West, so what's the use of it?

    • @timallen4717
      @timallen4717 6 років тому +2

      You need to open your eyes mate. Inequality is everywhere but most people just can't see it, or refuse to see it, because it doesn't affect them.

    • @Two-zj3rd
      @Two-zj3rd 6 років тому +5

      Славянский дракон I said I the West. They need to go to the middle East and other countries where women are actually being discriminated on.

    • @Two-zj3rd
      @Two-zj3rd 6 років тому

      Славянский дракон When I say West, I mean America.

  • @bentwookie348
    @bentwookie348 5 років тому +1

    This woman just seems so disingenuous, as if she doesn't even believe the crap that she says, but knows she can sell books. She is the kind of feminist that for years, could say whatever she wanted and the masses would just eat the shit she shoveled. You don't hear much from her now that her nonsense have been weighed and measured and deemed ridiculous.

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    That's because women go out of their way to help themselves,women make those support groups,we admit that we have problems and try to deal with them.If anything,those male problems you mentioned are self inflicted(men are less likely to discuss their problems and more likely to do drugs,so more likely to kill themselves or be homeless).
    Men dont have to deal with two days a month when they can barely walk and still have to go to work or deal with labour, pregnancy or depression as much as women

  • @EffectiveConsultingSolutions
    @EffectiveConsultingSolutions 9 років тому +8

    She is correct and right.

  • @Featheon
    @Featheon 12 років тому

    "I've never been a fan of labels." This is the kind of rhetorical move that gives postmodern criticism a bad name. We aren't asking for labels, we're asking for an idea or concept to be intelligible; otherwise, it has no function. You can't have social reform based on a language that dissipates into thin air when you ask someone to make a philosophical distinction. That's not what Derrida was doing.

  • @kim621100
    @kim621100 11 років тому

    AAUW just stated in our Key West Newspaper that women in Key West make more than men here. They also stated that there are different reasons why both genders may make more or less than the other.

  • @brugmansiaalhazred
    @brugmansiaalhazred 11 років тому

    2/3
    "From prehistoric times to the present, I believe, rape has played a critical function. It is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear."
    Brownmiller makes it perfectly clear, that this applies to all men and all women. This was the 1970's, before they figured out that being as vague as possible would be a valuable defence / escape tactic later on.

  • @CrazyDoggy1
    @CrazyDoggy1 11 років тому

    Yeah, because I'm just trying to get people angry at me, right? I'm surprised people would get angry at me for calling out a troll. Whatever, you can keep having conversations with them if you want.

  • @lamentate07
    @lamentate07 11 років тому

    Short women are 'easier' to attract i guess, but they too often look for taller men. Women in general are interested in taller men, but women from the Anglosphere have a particular fetish for it where they will actually list height requirements on dating sites and they aren't flexible about it.
    It's not like that everywhere in the world.

  • @32rumandcoke
    @32rumandcoke 10 років тому

    What makes them say shit like, "women can do anything a man can do"? Everytime a broad says that to me I challenge them with a 100 dollar offer to change the brakes on my truck and all I ever get is that deer in the headlights look. I mean if they are so smart, why do they say shit NOONE believes?

  • @Dextergec413
    @Dextergec413 4 роки тому +1

    I think feminism gets a bad rap because a lot of people just look at it as “women good, men bad” but that’s not it. Feminism isn’t just about women. It’s the idea that classical ways of thinking about the world left out a lot of groups (obviously including women) and I think feminism seeks to include those groups. “Third wave feminism” doesn’t need to have a big hot topic other than the idea that people change over time and so the way we look at the world and deal with the world should as well. Of course, not all feminists are the same and that’s part of what makes feminism so interesting and confusing lol

  • @Plottoberry
    @Plottoberry 12 років тому

    Thank you for generalizing my sister to one word.

  • @MrJarth
    @MrJarth 12 років тому

    Thanks I'm watching it now.

  • @brugmansiaalhazred
    @brugmansiaalhazred 11 років тому

    1/3
    To be fair (let's), the French quote is not actually her, but is said by a character in her novel "The Women's Room". If we are to hold authors personally responsible for what each and every one of their characters say, concepts like "anti-hero" and "antagonist" become problematic.
    French may or may not have agreed with her character. We don't know, which makes it an unwise quote to use as if we did. I would instead recommend use of Susan Brownmiller's own words in "Against our will":

  • @lamentate07
    @lamentate07 11 років тому

    I was referring to the work men do in the yard, and the handy work around the house. The work that requires a bit of strength and effort. But now that you mention it, men work longer hours than women in the corporate world too, and that's why they get paid more. Not because of 'sexism'. Since it has nothing to do with sexism, men should not be penalised for their efforts. It's not ethical.

  • @MrDiceman9000
    @MrDiceman9000 12 років тому

    One concern is feminism masked as consumerism. Personal choices and freedom of expression within a consumer paradigm. Incidentally it seems that the hajab is about not getting dust in your hair. And it was twisted into modesty.

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    No, I mean equality. And my point was that we can help people like Malala Yousufzai to have a voice, not to force anything.
    And, well, I don't know your circumstances, but I know very well that I can't become a stay at home mum, I'm in education at the moment and have debts and my parents are investing a lot of money in it, plus I'm working extremely hard doing a full time science degree, being at the top ten per cent of my school and having a part time job, all of this would go to waste.

  • @rosielilac
    @rosielilac 12 років тому +1

    agreeing to disagree is fine, I enjoy constructive debate, I only get argumentative when other people get personal and throw about insults. I wrote two paragraphs... I'm expressive... everybody's different and I have my flaws (and attributes) but I like being me... it's true though sometimes I struggle to keep my text messages to a minimum :-) goodnight

  • @CpsLock3
    @CpsLock3 12 років тому

    What is the diffrence between a man and a parasite? A man builds, a parasite asks "where's my share?" A man creates, a parasite says "what will the neighbors think?" A man invents, a parasite says WATCH OUT! or you might tread on the toes of god.
    Andrew Ryan

  • @DSBrekus
    @DSBrekus 12 років тому

    Feminism is the belief/movement that women should have equal rights with men.
    If someone is claiming it means something else then they are wrong and if they are doing something else and claiming it is the name of feminism then they are also wrong.
    A lot of people's opinions seem to have been soured by bad experiences, media portrayals or stereotypes surrounding feminism... but that doesn't mean feminism is 'bad'.
    The world is complicated but I think equality is clearly a good goal.

  • @AlexaOliphant
    @AlexaOliphant 12 років тому

    Expectations for me as a woman are different than my male friends, and that's an inequality any way you want to paint it. Feminism supports being whatever you want. Some women weren't meant to become mothers, while some men were not meant to be the family provider. We're individuals that have desires and aspirations, that our gender shouldn't dictate to.

  • @LukeLovesRose
    @LukeLovesRose 10 років тому +1

    is really sick.
    To insist that men have to play by only women's rules and forget their own masculinity is wrong. I mean, they want kids to play with dolls, because that might make them better parents or that might reduce the risk that those boys will become rapists and beat their wives. I mean, they are so far from understanding the real root of the problem. It's like they're living in little fantasy worlds of their own, all the time.
    And that person should not be considered an adult.

  • @felixbm4014
    @felixbm4014 5 років тому

    Feminism is extremely important . There is still gender inequality and pay gaps and so the fight must continue . The main issues are the inequality in less developed countries which we must tackle

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    Well, for instance, in Iran women effectively are excluded from higher education. And surely even you can notice that the state of women in Muslim and African countries is pretty terrible. And I have myself still heard people say that a woman's place is in the kitchen and a man's place is earning money from many people. These prejudices are unfair to both genders.

  • @TheMogBear
    @TheMogBear 11 років тому

    Yes of course, there's no problem in adhering to gender stereotypes if that's what makes you happy, it's just that gender stereotypes shouldn't be so ingrained because a significant amount of men/women aren't necessarily happy being stereotyped in that way.

  • @Plottoberry
    @Plottoberry 12 років тому

    My sister even forces her boyfriend to pay shoes for her, but she works more and earns more money. That's just...strange. I understand the idea of gifts, but it should work both ways. In my past relationships it worked like that anyway.

  • @omnamahshivaya4045
    @omnamahshivaya4045 11 років тому

    Not all men, but there are some people, some quite prominent, that are saying that a woman is to blame if she is raped when wearing provocative clothing. And that's an abhorrent thing to say.
    A women deserves no less to be treated a 'lady' if she is wearing less clothes. It's her body, she can do whatever she wants with it.
    No, I don't want a slob for a guy, because I'm a hetero male. And speaking from that position, I can see that women have a right to dress how they like, regardless of men.

  • @rompellini
    @rompellini 13 років тому

    @zkriski well...so well said my friend! to the point!

  • @MrVeesworld
    @MrVeesworld 12 років тому

    Oh goody I just tipped the scales of the likes vs dislikes. Thanks to me it is now 219/220 which gives us dislikes the 51 % majority.

  • @IMNJSWIFT
    @IMNJSWIFT 5 років тому

    How tf did I get here? I’m losing cells in my brain the longer I stay.

  • @RapidBlindfolds
    @RapidBlindfolds 4 роки тому +1

    why'd it get so many dislikes? sounds pretty reasonable to me

  • @aryanjacko
    @aryanjacko 12 років тому

    I really admire the way you took 2 small points (I'm ignorant and that you have a 'life') and expanded them to over two paragraphs, you should be fine if your exam is essay writing. Tbh I agree with you this youtube war is pretty pathetic but it is a welcome escape from revising, maybe we should agree to disagree, we're both on different sides by nature and for some reason I can never see us meeting eye to eye.

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    Well, they are on my radar, plus there are a number of cases when Muslim women are horribly mistreated even here in Europe. And my point was that feminism should be kept active in order to persuade our politicians that it's not ok for other countries to mistreat people like that (which is why pro-gay and anti-racism activism are also very important to be kept going).

  • @hmcg020
    @hmcg020 12 років тому

    You are 100% correct in saying that you cannot debate with the common youtuber, however WE should allow ourselves to be open to information. Coherant thought is dependant on so many things; accepting that the loudest voice isn't nessecarily the correct one, is single step. I'm not an activist, though I am definitely behind the MRM. In every day life I think things are ok between us, however in all court systems, women have the ultimate dominance, support, bias etc. It needs to be balanced out.

  • @patsybob
    @patsybob 11 років тому

    "A woman needs a man, like a fish needs a bicycle" - Gloria Steinem ie: men are unnecessary to female needs, basically fits in with a lot of feminist theories on the "disposable man" and how men can't ever offer a relationship that is good enough for a woman because of the assumption that he is too much of a chauvinistic pig.

  • @Foodie-MS-08th
    @Foodie-MS-08th 7 років тому +1

    It's funny, I'm reading her paper Two Traditions and I noticed her views on victim feminism is the problem with modern third wave feminism. . . Welp, she joined the darkside.

  • @TheInfernalOnionz
    @TheInfernalOnionz 10 років тому

    My problem with third wave feminism is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there seems to be a lot of focus on feminist issues in the western world. While they are far from perfect I think we should be looking at more dire situations for women in other areas of the world (e.g. genital mutilation). Also, would someone mind explaining the emphasis placed on the patriarchy? Thanks :)

  • @ltdasilva93
    @ltdasilva93 10 років тому +3

    ^ speaks for itself

  • @scottadler
    @scottadler 10 років тому

    I don't think she meant a single word she wrote. If Moscow Center had said, "Become a nun!" she would have donned a habit.
    This was all about the totalitarian left, looking for another issue, on behalf of a state that believed that women should be day laborers or ballerinas.

  • @niriop
    @niriop 13 років тому

    @Albacorewing "men cultivate individuality" ALL men cultivate individuality? This is sexism at its worse; you're allocating men and women arbitrary traits that you expect them to live up to; you're your own worst enemy.
    There's a great article on AlterNet called "5 Stupid, Unfair and Sexist Things Expected of Men" that goes into this; this is why I'm both a male feminist and a male liberationist; the sexism can go both ways, and more often than not by their own sex, as you have shown.

  • @Albacorewing
    @Albacorewing 12 років тому

    @TableWolfMusic
    Rainbowbrainhead is a woman, but she is very disturbed. She just got banned from this UA-cam board:
    Feminism and the Disposable Male

  • @brugmansiaalhazred
    @brugmansiaalhazred 11 років тому

    3/3
    There is no room for revisionism. No room for speculating about what she "really" meant. If she is / was not a misandrist, that would make her either okay with- or ambivalent about rape and "all women being kept in a state of fear", at least at the time. This is unlikely, considering that she wrote the book as response to that fear.
    Even if she no longer believes it, she did then and, to the best of my knowledge, has never publicly distanced herself from that statement.

  • @atenneso
    @atenneso 11 років тому +1

    Because there the system we are talking about is patriarchy, which is anti women. Patriarchy also hurts men due to limiting gender roles. Your complaint is the weakest form of semantics, is ahistorical and also assumes you can't be a feminist and a humanist.
    "Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women."

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    Yes, I have, just read my earlier comments. Well, actually taxes do go to unfortunate children, orphanages and other childcare services are paid by tax payers (as they should be, of course). I did in the last comment I posted.
    I was talking about happiness for men, and I'm not one.

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 12 років тому

    @thepotatovagina Yes, your post contradicted itself. No one should impose their morality on others, yet nations should live by a shared ideology. Well, which is it going to be?

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    Two weeks aren't gonna make any difference and closer interactions between dads and their children have proven to cause fewer mood disorders and less teenage alcoholism, so the society would gain from a greater father interaction with children

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    That's not true in the UK or other European countries, there are just as many women in work force. I've never said there's a secret "cabal" preventing women from earning more, it's probably due to childcare,in the UK a full time nursery costs the same as an average female wage and you have to pick up kids from school every day at 2, these circumstances stop women from getting on in their careers way more than men.

  • @PacificOce4n
    @PacificOce4n 11 років тому

    The comment stream on this video shows that feminism still has a role to play. People who bash feminism need to look past the oppression of their heteronormative lifestyles and really assess how they may be oppressed or may be oppressing others.

  • @ImpowerYou
    @ImpowerYou 12 років тому

    I like her point about women who choose to wear a head scarf. When Christian women will only wear long skirts and keep their hair up in braids, nobody says anything. That is a religious issue. People let religion cloud issues like womens rights and human rights. It becomes hateful and off topic.
    I like a lot of Naomi's work. She is a true champion for human rights.

  • @jmatwood
    @jmatwood 12 років тому

    So, what I'm getting here, is that basically a bunch of people have come to a video with "Feminism" in the title, DON'T WATCH IT, and then hate on what THEY BELIEVE to be "feminism"? Buh. You guys keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

  • @comecorrect1
    @comecorrect1 9 років тому +1

    I support feminists but it would be nice to have more women businesses and companies. Women working together and socializing with each other in terms of business creation. We should try to envision and act upon more younger women being CEOs and executives of corporations too.

  • @rosielilac
    @rosielilac 12 років тому

    goodnight petal, was a pleasure

  • @Albacorewing
    @Albacorewing 13 років тому +1

    "Tor, I have to talk with them Defrost them!"

  • @TheMogBear
    @TheMogBear 11 років тому

    I do! I define myself as a humanist, because I believe in equality, and as a feminist, because I believe in equality.

  • @Albacorewing
    @Albacorewing 12 років тому

    Actually, they do. I know a security guard, "Fred." Fred was on one job when he was accused of attempted rape out of the blue by a recently hired woman who hoped for a lawsuit or to force a promotion. The funny thing is, "Fred" is as gay as a three dollar bill. The woman who accused him was fat, with crooked, broken front teeth. I kid you not. The woman did it to other people in the company, Fred told me, and was finally fired.

  • @ThePhilosophyOfNature
    @ThePhilosophyOfNature 10 років тому +1

    Naomi, You are a great looking lady, and smart too! You do not need to be a feminist at all.

  • @lamentate07
    @lamentate07 11 років тому

    They may be written as neutral, but it's men who are punished the most in court. Things are slowly changing though, but i doubt things will really change until more women start getting fucked over in divorce, which is no doubt beginning to happen given the amount of successful and wealthy women around now compared to say 20-30 years ago.
    Alimony needs to be abolished.

  • @lunarpoetry1015
    @lunarpoetry1015 12 років тому

    @karlsmith00 ...In my opinion, the best way to address that problem is to point out the hypocrisy and immorality of religion, not by playing the victim.
    Insurance and pharmaceutical companies are among the most corrupt of all businesses in the US. They don't cover birth control because they make more money that way, not because they don't recognize women's rights.
    I don't think any companies "tolerate" sexual harassment in the US. At least not anymore.
    What did I say that was "so stupid?"

  • @ElizabethKall
    @ElizabethKall 11 років тому

    I wrote those comments in response to yours. Paternity and maternity leaves should be equalised and courts should be more equal in custody disputes.
    But women aren't favoured over men when it comes to tax redistribution, men, for instance, cost money to tax payers because of crime and addiction treatments while women cost because of having to have chidren, which is really caused by both sexes, so doesn't count.

  • @niriop
    @niriop 13 років тому

    @Albacorewing By extension, I can ignore the claims of the Men's Rights movement because of many members' tendancies to lie about or minimise history and statistics, express completely misogynistic, homophobic and racist sentiments unapologetically, and their aggressive manner of activism that has on occasion led to physical violence. Denial of these makes their existence even more evident.
    Unfair you claim? Just using your own reasoning against you.

  • @lamentate07
    @lamentate07 11 років тому

    The difference is that ugly and short are linked for a man. Even if his face is attractive, women don't want him. That is much worse than just being ugly. I know, i'm short, and it's hard for me to partner up with attractive women in my country, although it's much easier in other countries i've lived in.
    Men are judged on immutable attributes more than women; and no, an 'ugly face' doesn't count, because that's a totality.

  • @jmatwood
    @jmatwood 12 років тому

    I am so sick and tired of seeing that any video remotely relating to feminism, regardless of content, has more dislikes than likes, and has horribly bigoted comments, which are upvoted repeatedly. It's just miserable.

  • @lamentate07
    @lamentate07 11 років тому

    There is no hypocrisy. I have a good looking face, so why shouldn't i expect to date attractive women more regularly? I never said looks don't matter. Again, like most feminists, you are not comparing like with like.
    There is a huge difference in how i'm treated by the opposite sex when they think i'm taller than what i am. I know, i've done 'experiments' ;-)
    It's true that tall women have problems too, but they are still not comparable, unless the woman is over 6 foot.