Naomi Klein on Her New Book "Doppelganger" & How Conspiracy Culture Benefits Ruling Elite
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2023
- We spend the hour with acclaimed journalist and author Naomi Klein, whose new book Doppelganger out this week explores what she calls "the mirror world," a growing right-wing alternate universe of misinformation and conspiracies that, while identifying real problems, opportunistically exploits them to advance a hateful and divisive agenda. Klein explains her initial motivation for the book was her own alter-ego, the author Naomi Wolf, for whom she has often been mistaken. Both Naomis entered public consciousness in the 1990s with books critiquing corporate influence, but in recent years Wolf has become one of the most prominent vaccine deniers and purveyors of COVID-19 misinformation - making the ongoing confusion about their identities a source of frustration. "It's very destabilizing," says Klein, who still urges people to seriously engage with the dangerous ideas propagated in mirror worlds, rather than simply look away. "It's so hard to look at the reality that we are in right now, with the overlay of endless wars and climate disasters and massive inequality. And so whether we're making up fantastical conspiracy theories or getting lost in our own reflections, it's all about not looking at that reality that is only bearable if we get outside our own heads and collectively organize."
Transcript: democracynow.org
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I am a child of the 60's, when the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights Movement were taking place at the same time. I thought that things would change. But like the old saying goes, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
"Plus ça change, plus c'est pire…"
Sad but true
We didn't take the changes far enough. We needed, and still need, a socialist revolution.
We needed to be better educated, and better salespeople of such ideas.
Of course, we were up against corporate media that encouraged people to close their minds.
I think Einstein's "Why Socialism", (8 pgs.) is a good way to cut through the
commiephobia.
I think too, it would help if the Stalinist groups could admit that things did go wrong in the Soviet Union, overreactions to the crises caused by the 14 capitalist nations' "White Armies" invasion, a history chapter most Americans don't know about.
(Not everyone on the left is Stalinist; there are Trotskyists, Anarchists, Social Democrats...)
Yes because we are deceived by this "Left vs Right" dialectics.
Look at this Naomi Klein, talking and talking and talking about this and that.
She doesn't produce her own food. She is dependent on the very synthetic reality she abhores.
She claims she fights for a better system, while she gets social security and retirement from this system. Lol?
So, both sides are being played by corporations?
Factions and Fictions are in play. hint: Secret Societies.
Vicarius Filii Dei adds up to 666 in Roman Numerals and Old Latin -- Revelation 13: 18. Now take a good look at the Jesuits' Black Pope.
Trump is AntiChrist. ALL the Pentecostal Prophets proclaimed Trump chosen by God in 2016. Matthew 24: 24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets . . . deceive the very elect. Great Re-Set on 09/23/26, the autumn equinox of the US' and the illuminati's 250th year. That's when they'll unveil the NEON GAUD.
End Citizen United.
YES! And no one is asking why.
@@Rustea314we end citizens united things will be much clearer for all and "we the people" will start to get our politicians back.
These mega corp bastards needs a good gulaging .
We need to treat everyone respectfully. Most of what we want is the same
No, it really is not.
You didn't get the memo. We are supposed to fight over non class issues and allow the ruling class to continue their exploitation.
Many of us want money and power and to beat the other person in a fight. Sorry. These are not aspects of human nature deserving of much respect. Respect humans of good faith? Absolutely. Respect lying bullshit artists out for maximum clout no matter which vulnerable group is attacked? No thanks.
@9000ck I've been observing the feedback loop of otherizing and shunning for many years. The results are not positive. The exact opposite approach is what is needed. You must understand in order to be understood.
That also means that teh host from Democracy Now has to let her speak her last sentence, in this interview.
For those of us who function as scapegoats in dysfunctional and narcissistic family systems, the experience of being treated as someone other than who you are is an experience we understand deeply. To step out of our assigned family role is to become more ourselves, and yet, within our family structure, doing this is viewed as a betrayal of who we used to be and of the whole family system. Our society has many larger dysfunctional groups that function the same way, with scapegoating to distort and distract from the real issues. I look forward to reading this book. Thank you!
Well written and ( in my case) absolutely true.
Succinct and 100% accurate.
wow. You could be talking about my family. It's like no one really knows me but me. Can't say how many countless times someone has said I'm this or that and I've thought 'In your dreams buddy'. Like being stubborn? Only called that when I refuse to do what they want. Conceited? When I stick up for myself believing I deserve better. "Who do you think you are?" because I stick up for myself and demand better than what they're giving. Trusting yourself means no one can gas light you and boy, do they get mad about that. Ditching them when their treatment becomes unacceptable? Not wrong. Don't let anyone tell you differently.
Well said!
Ironic that you would leave this comment on a video that is actively gaslighting you.
If the oligarchy can get the Americans to believe government is the problem, Americans will accept privatization of public good.
Private education, prisons, water system, etc.. (next is parks an public spaces).
I remember a government that could put a man on moon, educate children, build public highways and take care of the poor.
And now.
They will 100% win
But the oligarchs are the government!🎉😂😮 The own and control all of the important influenial politicians and lawmakers!🎉😂😮
We are not helpless against the oligarchs. The evidence that privatization fails is mounting. The trouble is that we are weakened by the media environment, and easily distracted from reality by whatever crisis is whipped up for our consumption. We have internalized this mindset to where we catastrophize with even the slightest stimulus. But we can recognize the patterns at work and put a stop to them. Unity in resistance, and a shared focus on goals, are a couple of the things we need to turn it around. People have the power.
Why can't you do all that without government
@@GnosticChild- You can. It's called anarchy, which is organized society without government. But we have been SO brainwashed and cultured to FEAR the WORD anarchy - to think it means something VIOLENT and SCARY, we cling to our DOMINANT, VIOLENT, OPPRESSIVE oligarchic overloads. Who are pushing us towards techno-totalitarianism.
Naomi Klein has given the gift to all of us...a window into the world that we all need to see rather than follow blindly.
Tell that to all the Russiagaters, BlueAnon DNC liberals. Including staff at the Intercept where Klein works.
She’s double speaking
Wake up
Um... you might want to read Naomi Wolf's recent books. Klein could have at any time spoken to Wolf to ask her about her views. She chose not to. Wolf is a critic of pharmaceutical companies and their government toadies. Klein's husband takes pharma money (which she never disclosed, an embarrassing conflict of interest). Not to investigate when only one side is presented is, more or less, to follow blindly.
Naomi Klein seems like a character out of Orwell's 1984....Wake up!!
I read Naomi Wolfe's 'The Beauty Myth' when I was an adolescent girl struggling with an eating disorder. I found it really helpful to turn a critical eye to the pressures put on women and the way we can become opresesd by them. I believe it's a really important piece of feminist literature and it had a huge positive impact on life. It's such a shame that she's had this strange turn.
Maybe Wolfe didn't have such a big turn, maybe it was the DNC and media that navigates as 'liberal' who had a big turn and are now in bed with Big Pharma...
Wolfe hasn't changed. Klein has! Fascist thru and thru.
Naomi Wolf speaks the truth unlike this Naomi
It is strange that Naomi Wolf, a second wave feminist would sidle up with people like Steve Bannon and the Alt Right who are trying to take away women’s rights.
You may want to actually read her recent books before taking Klein's word for it. Klein (as well as Democracy Now) could have contacted Wolf at any point to actually speak with her and ask 'why she's taken this turn' in your words. They chose not to. Neither Klein nor Democracy Now mentions the huge $$$ Klein's husband has taken re: his role in PharmaCare. Wolf's work points out the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry. Well, can't have that when you're taking pharma money!
Naomi Klein's world was upended? I can never retire and may need to emigrate. The pandemic was the "one more blow" I could not take.
sorry to hear this. And I hear you. xoxoxo
@@ozdigg9254 Thanks ;)
when a millionaire democrats life gets upended eh?
after reading the her book shock doctrine I thought here comes the new voice against the elites but I have to realize she is now serving the elites in democratic party ... no I'm not republican 😂
Klein -- upscale, wealthy, privileged and pampered. No sympathy.
@@barb2793😭🍼😭🍼😭🍼😭🍼
This is for people who believe the establishment just needs a few small tweaks to improve and we’ll be okay…. This is for people who believe “Hey, we just need to vote the republicans out of office and things will get better.”
she is just awefull. she must know she stays in a lane that sounds just smart enough for wine moms to feel smart voting for Biden again, but keeps it all just dumb enough to keep you seeing a bigger picture you need to get proactive and fight. a big picture Biden will do nothing to make better.
Democrats cause more chaos than Republicans
THis klein chik seems like the ultimate lefftie warrior!
@@fatherno5721 Do lefties ignore the bank accounts of protesters being frozen by the government?
Members of the current establishment rightly fear a wholesale revolution because they're being well served by the status quo
Shock Doctrine was my Wake Up moment.
Taking your word on this, just got an Audible copy and listening now.
Same
@@innerlocus well done my friend. And my condolences for the loss of any life you may have that is not already ruled by cynicism. ‘Cause that’s about to go. ;)
@@SkiRedMtn Do you mean that all of the MAGA GOP woke up this morning in Florida?
It's a great book. I've read it 3x. Very important info.
I find the distinction between conspiracy theory and conspiracy culture very helpful and clarifying.
The distinction is clearly, truth, and people whom speak and know the truth.
Peace Love & Grace my good man
Criminal conspiracies do not exist even though all members of law enforcement investigate them.
Klein clearly distinguishes between conspiracy culture - which is often self-contradictory and filled with baseless conspiracy theories - and conspiracy theories that are, in fact, true, such as the government-corporate conspiracy to overthrow Allende. You should listen to the interview before you run rampant in the comments section..@@papalegba6796
These are all bots commenting on here. This is next level gaslighting from captured media. @@papalegba6796
people who conspire to commit one conspiracy might commit other conspiracies that is why it's a culture that encompasses more than a single conspiracy. is that hard to understand? she isn't a genius for her differentiation here unless you're too dim to grasp the obvious.
Naomi Klein puts a name to that which had created the sneaking suspicion we are missing something critical in the analysis of what is unfolding before our eyes. This explains so much which was almost incomprehensible. And she is kind.
Yes It's been interesting to see that the fascistically inclined never come up with anything new. Trump in particular, especially lately, turns everything said against him into an accusation about Biden/democrats. Like a distorted mirror. But never anything new, original or policy-based.
Absolutely 💯
Never even heard of her or her doppelganger but this lady sounds just as nutty if not nuttier than the other naomi
❤❤
Who gives a shit if she's kind or not? "Is she correct?" is the _real_ question.
so where do you stand on this whole covid thing? is it the same as CBS had? or Colbert? or Schwarzenegger? or RFK,jr? or Rogan? what's the truth? can we stick our necks out and say our truths and discuss it? or do we fear being ostracized or losing our jobs? this has become the 3rd taboo subject w/ religion and politics. no one?
When I become a millionaire I will buy a thousand copies of this book and drop them off at every waiting area of my surrounding area.
Yeah, This world is completely crazy, now a days when I heard Amy Goodman talking about the war in Ukraine I think I am listening MSNBC or NPR
Couldn't agree more. So surprised Amy is now pro-war.
I wonder if you will ask Naomi wolf on maybe to defend her self I am curious about Naomi wolfs response I can’t find her
Check literally any right wing news source…she’s there.
It’s very important that we not be divided by the media and their relentless spin and manipulation. We all want to be heard, but first we must relentlessly search for the truth, by first questioning our true purpose.
Sadly, we've been divided by media manipulators many years. Is it too late?
Perhaps folks can strengthen and identify their most important/urgent needs and desires to focus on priority's they love and which speak to them.
NPR and Democracy Now hasn’t had an unbiased report in a decade.
While people like Amy Goodman distorts the truth. Under the name Democracy Now. This is Hillary and Nancy’s Democracy….
@@Yabroproductions33 There is no such thing as an "unbiased" source because much of human bias is implicit something we are not consciously aware of due to how we individually frame our worldviews, how we respond to existing incentive structures, how we interact with others and form communities etc.
This is why its critical to take a look at multiple sources and the evidence they present and analyze it critically, the closer you look the more nuance and detail comes into view. The issues we face are complicated and not easily resolved in large part because the incentive structures of our society drive the underlying problems and entrenched systems are often difficult to change. Humans are prone to focusing on the evidence which supports our existing beliefs and ignoring that which challenges our own views, this is something that can be corrected for and addressed but it requires constant vigilance.
Totally agree. It’s not smart to create an echo chamber and only feed it supporting views. That being said, CEO John Lansing ran US propaganda media like
Voice of America and Radio Free Europe; NPR is supposed to be informative, not divisive. They have NEVER been so pro war till Ukraine, which is an American corporate dispute costing innocent lives on both sides for profit. They have become the very thing they set out to prevent, homogenized conformity.
A long over-due conversation, thank you. Bodily autonomy used to be a firmly left-wing position. Free speech used to be firmly entrenched in the left wing conversation. Concern for the plight of the working class used to be represented in compassionate consideration of the impacts of public policy. These are core inconsistencies that need to be unpacked openly - while the knee-jerk demonisation of those who have questions, combined with the call for censorship only creates further distrust and division.
This is so true. As things get progressively more weird and confused from things such as Artificial Intelligence, and more sophisticated forms of lying, we need every source of good old common sense, coupled with as much fact gathering and critical thinking we can get. Most importantly, we also need a willingness to question ourselves, and an ability to somehow transcend our own egotistical 'need' to be right, allow ourselves to make mistakes, and then own up to it, and not let it stop us from 'moving on', and continuing to learn, grow, and become ever more aware of the pit-falls and traps that still await those that foolishly believe they've 'seen it all'. Thank you for bringing these issues to our attention!
This is a wonderful “ comment”. But , please continue to educate yourself, read & research ! 🤓🤔😉😇🥰👍
Very well articulated. Thank you!
We need a lot more censorship!!
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment.@@jaytsecan
Of course I'm going to continue self educating. Anyways, thanks for the compliment. @@curtrice6060
Along these lines I highly highly recommend "THEY KNEW: How a Culture of Conspiracy Keeps Us Complacent" by Sarah Kendzior, as well as Jared Yates Sexton's recent series titled "The Midnight Kingdom" (both the youtube lecture series and the book).
Glad more people are acknowledging this sort of thing it's dangerous to just lump all conspiracy shit together and dismiss it. Conspiracies and conspiratorial thought are more American than apple pie. They ain't going anywhere.
Dr. Naomii Klein is brilliant. It's a pleasure listening to her. Thank you, Naomi Amy and nerameen. You are true, intelligent journalists with integrity. It's rarely seen in media today.
Naomi Wolf is much better.
What?!? Why do you refer to her as DR. Naomi Klein??? She doesn't have a doctorate degree. But Naomi Wolf does. For chrissake's, get your information right before posting.
@@juliet3827She has four honorary doctorate degrees from 4 top university all the way from europe canada. Look at her biography. University of amsterdam, University of king college nova scotia, University new brunswick and final honorary degree from college of the atlantics
Naomi Wolf is the one with a doctorate, not Naomi Klein. Way to illustrate her point, ha ha.
Unfortunately Klein is not entirely honest here. She doesn't admit she has a financial motive in going after RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf, both critics of the pharmaceutical industry. Her husband receives money from PharmaCare. She never disclosed this, and Democracy Now never asked.
p.s. I have voted Democrat my whole life. I have not left the Democrat party, it left me...
Yes, me too.
@@nova4005Me three.
Me four!
@barb2793 High five! 🫸💥🫷 (corny, I know). I like your comments Barb!
I would like to see you invite Naomi Wolf on you show to explain her position. That would be fair, and informative.
Informative? Why would you find Ms. Wolf informative? She's nuts. People who believe in conspiracies do so for their own, personal, reasons. Usually for some personal gain they are not entitled to and don't deserve and it's the only way to get it. So add manipulative to the motivation.
@@marvelmusic4566 Every story has at least two sides to it. What kind of person only wants to hear one side of the argument or just part of the information? Not giving Wolf the right to reply is unethical. It goes against the principles of good journalism and makes this piece lack integrity. Journalists should present both sides of an argument and let the people decide. This is just propaganda. There used to be proper journalist covering real stories, not so many these days. All I see is propaganda piece after propaganda piece. Us old timers know what constitutes real journalism and this is no where near the real deal. It does not even try to be balanced?
Informative because we feel able to make up our own minds, to listen and think critically.@@marvelmusic4566
Yes, and RFK jr
Fair and informative is not the goal here. Just cast aspersions and judgments; for god’s sake, don’t care to listen to the other side.
I'm almost positive that I would agree entirely with Naomi if someone could explain exactly what shes talking about.
Basically people are getting the story/information confused. People even get this Naomi confused with another Naomi (Wolf) who has gone from a progressive to a far right media figure with a large following and platformed next to Steve Bannon.
This extreme right, she is kindly arguing, is partly because of the use of the propaganda techniques used by this far right faction that uses bits of truth from discarded issues of the "left" to point to and champion, which inevitably chases more progressive people over to either far right or other Libertarian variations of that end of the spectrum
The other part is that the left has shut down, bullied or plain old canceled right wing personalities and the elitism has also aided in the narrative pushed by the right who is gaining monstrous power in populace.
someone let me know if I missed something
haha.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
People are getting sucked into opportunistic rabbit holes due to silo-ing social media economic neglect and increased propaganda. This is leading to competing narratives that often dehumanize instead of looking for practical solutions. Everything is political now and politics is always a construct. With technology added we risk sliding into a sort of postmodern abyss. I added a bit but i think that's part of what she was saying.
If u can get them addicted to their own fictions inside their minds, if u can get them so confused they dont know whats real, how can they fight back
TheMatrix
and Putin's playbook
She answers some of that in the interview and more-so in her book.
@@cassieo4337 well, all governments but sure, him to
@@cassieo4337Where can I get a copy of this playbook?
I’ve noticed everything that Naomi Klein is saying. It’s also a form of projection. Like she said, those who profit from disasters will use the claim of others profiting from the disaster, in order to gain the attention that they need & from which they will further profit.
Huh?
Klein is guilty of what she accuses others of.
that reminds me of the seeming paradox: “if you criticise the intolerant, then you yourself are intolerant”
the anti-conspiracy grift. After all, *some* people will believe ANYTHING ;)
Great point. Exploiting the situation and throwing Naomi Wolf under the bus. Ugly.
Q-Anon is a conspiracy theory. "The government and media may not be telling the truth because they are heavily influenced by corporate money" is not a conspiracy theory, it is a reasonable statement that Naomi Klein's younger self would have agreed with. The fact that some right-wing people are saying it too does not make it wrong. And yet that's the whole argument here: Wolf talks to right-wing people so she must be wrong. Not exactly top-notch critical thinking.
Fwiw I used to love both Naomis and have read most of their books. Never had trouble telling them apart. But one Naomi abandoned her values in exchange for career success, and it's not Wolf.
Cognitive infiltration. Google it.
When did Klein imply corporations aren't influencing governments? She mentioned many times there are truths mixed in with the lies (lies such as the stuff about specific groups of people being targeted by Covid) and she mentioned that there are problems with media. The interview didn't go in the direction of detailing these things.
You missed Klein's point, which is that Wolf does say the right things, but then when it comes to doing she supports the exact opposite policies, which makes her dangerous: Wolf taps into people's discontent with her rhetoric in order to enlist their support for far-right policies.
Neither of them have a point. Which is the point of cognitive infiltration 😂
ah yes. To use their language Wolf has become right wing adjacent
Shouldn’t Naomi Wolf be invited to the show to defend herself? What is the value of a show when only one side is presented?
Thank you. I thought the same thing. It is very ugly that Klein is slicing and dicing Naomi Wolf, without giving Wolf an opportunity to present her point of view. And it is really ugly to see a woman do this to another woman.
I think Klein was extreme polite in her description of Wolf. She's far more charitable, than I, or a lot of other people would be, about Ms. Wolf. All I see from Klein is a quite measured and well thoughout critique of hard right and conspiracist forces. For the record, I think Ms. Wolf has been consistently a moron, regardless of political affliation. Bringing her on would be an irritating waste of time.
Welcome to modern broadcasting. The idea of 'right of reply' is now regarded as outdated and burdensome.
Tbh, it would be a massive pain in the arse to get the Naomi's together and could easily descend into a shouting match (often happens when when two protagonists are put together) resulting in zero discussion about ideas and ends up about egos.
This format provides more opportunities for analysis, challenging questions and nuance.
Even public broadcasters working under a charter of 'balance' (none claim to be 'unbiased') can argue that having an alternative view from Klein's at a later time or date, is evidence that the broadcaster is presenting balanced opinions in the long run.
THIS Naomi is a human treasure.
Don't be ridiculous.
Oh she Certainly is. My Brave Style is My Kind of HERO!! Sure wish we had More people with Their Eye on these EVIL CONSPIRACY THEORIST!! When are they going to LOCK Steve Brannon AWAY?? It’s LONG OVER DUE NOW!! His days are NUMBERED THOUGH
I feel very sad that the other Naomi (Wolf) has become like this. On a previous appearance on DN, she fiercely defended Julian Assange, and I read her book on Fascism, which was very good. It's bizarre that Wolf has become allied with Bannon, who represents the Fascism she once decried.
Klein is a pharisee and a fascist.
Naomi , So Kennedy is not running on what you think he should run on ? Sounds like he has his own thoughts on how he should approach issues he believes to be critical. I’m sure if you chose to run you’d have your own list of priorities. Focusing on Kennedy’s uncharacteristic mis speak at that dinner is low hanging fruit. He said there was a theory… he did not say he necessarily believed it… and that comment was taken totally out of context… we didn’t get to hear what came before or what came after and he was not saying the Jews were responsible for the virus… a lot of conflation here. Now as to dopplegangers and mirrors there’s a tricky marketing hook itself. Don’t get caught in your own reflection. Perhaps your doppelgänger will reflect on her doppelgänger then we can really run around in circles, I still prefer to listen to RFK jr who hasn’t yet trashed anyone while on the campaign trail and does speak about issues, from the economy and struggling Americans, to the epidemic of chronic diseases in our children and families to agency capture and the overwhelming power corporations are usurping in our lives and finally to the seemingly never ending cycle of wars our government has engaged in in recent years.
RFK is a crank.
How many hours of Kennedy's discourse have you personally witnessed and digested? At about 50 hours, I feel fairly familiear, and know he would never think anything similar to that misquote. Slanderous out of context = shameful.
@@johnsmith5139
But but but we cant vote for the best candidate with lettist policies on environment - the only.candidate who actually says he will BAD FRACKING - because then ohr beloved Democrat leader Joe Biden might lose the election!!!
These people are slaves to corporatism and RFK is too good a man for US politicics. He is too honest to overpower these media lies.
I wrote this comment from far away East Africa. I read shock doctrne and likes Naomi klein I also listen some her lectures on UA-cam . I will try to get her new book. Finally I want to expressed my deep admiration for Naomi klein.
She'll never come to your part of the world. No one there could afford her fees. Please follow someone who is sincere and worthy of your admiration.
You are very kind and appreciate your opinion and comment. Please don’t listen to “John”; he’s a troll and is pro-fascist.
@@johnbanach3875 that's bs. Naomi Klein has traveled worldwide to war zones, disaster zones of unimaginable proportions etc. Unlike you, obviously.
@@KohalaLoverSpot on. What an arrogant remark.
I live in Mauritius 🇲🇺 Indian Ocean and am very aware of Naomi Kleins groundbreaking books and articulation of the most important issues of our age.
In the digital era nowhere is uninformed unless you make it your personal choice
Odd interpretations of Wolf’s ideas.
This has been very cathartic for me. Considering that Naomi Wolf was the "go to" women's studies author during my high school and college years, even then I was not convinced that she had a solid philosophy that was necessarily "good" for society. Although I was raised in a very leftist family, I had that "uncanny" feeling that she was using a type of double speak. I think I even took a few hits on my grades back then when I would counter her arguments. Seeing Naomi Klein explain this phenomena was very stabilizing. I prefer to add only verifiable, useful and inclusive data to my own "belief system" and I tend to leave the rhetoric and subjective ideas behind. It's been nearly impossible to do for over a decade for me now.
Thank you for giving voice to this weird off putting feeling with such easily comprehended comparisons. Because really, that is the only way to change things and find some kind of good stasis. The atmosphere of society seems to me like a pendulum, and when it is far one way or the other, it's most damaging to the stability of our world. Whenever we are at one side or the other of an extreme sway, I dread the backlash of the opposite direction. Even if the opposite direction is more on the "side" that my own philosophy falls on.
Progress, I think, is always going to trigger a backlash. We have to push past it.
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice - MLK Jr
"It's been nearly impossible to do for over a decade for me now."
It's because actual belief propagation is a very expensive algorithm to run, even on a powerful computer.
It's a very widespread misconception of scientific knowledge (and knowledge in general) to think that it advances by way of belief propagation within some kind of Bayesian network of "justified true beliefs".
This ideology is a branch of inductivism and it has seduced many people during the last few years (for example the infamous "believe the science" crowd).
Even now, you're congratulating yourself as you fall deeper into that pit 🤦🏽♂
Humanity is truly fucked...
So what about the data that shows highly vaccinated nations faired well below those countries that had very low vaccine rates? I prefer to focus on the facts.
She's literally called WOLF why would you think she's on your side?
Been asking for months for Amy/Democracy Now to interview RFK Jr. Why not? It's weird that this hasn't happened.
Because Amy most likely agrees with DN donors,
that support the DNC,
that support their donors,
primarily Wall St, big Pharma and national security contractors.
RFK’s message is contrary to all of their motives and they’re running the show now, him becoming President is every bit as unacceptable as a Sanders Presidency would have been.
Why would they allow themselves to be targeted? Obviously they won’t.
They won't because the first thing he's going to explain is that he's not "anti-vaccine." It's an intellectually lazy pejorative that doesn't meaning anything, especially in light of the COVID injection which prompted dictionary-makers to redefine the parameters of the traditional vaccine.
Yes it makes me start to doubt the authenticity of DN
For the same reason why they didn't allow Naomi Wolf onto this show to defend herself and present her facts. It's because the facts are not on Democracy Now/Amy/Klein's side so they just ridicule and marginalize JFK and Wolf.
World Economic Forum's 4th Industrial Revolution "building on a ubiquitous and mobile internet, smaller, and more powerful sensors, as well as artificial intelligence and machine learning, the Fourth Industrial Revolution is distinct in the speed, scale and force at which it transforms entire systems of production, distribution, consumption- and possibly the very essence of human nature."
Amy, shame on you for misrepresenting RFK's "actual" comment.. your phrasing reminds me of how Fox News and CNN takes quotes out of context.. somewhat hypocritical of Klein, wrt to the misquoting RFK, is the fact that she only focused on the Jewish part of what RFK said.. he also included Chinese in his comment... but I guess focusing on just the Jew part help with her own "conspiracy"?
Malicious
Amy should have pointed out that Jill Stein was accused of being anti-vax, and should have asked how is that different?
There is a difference between RFK and Stein, RFK does not even support Medicare4all Stein and JFK did.
Naomi’s point still stands, but she should be challenged on this detail.
Naomi Klein never ceases to amaze me. I am buying her book today. She has this uncanny ability to codify what all of us are experiencing and she does it with grace and kindness. She is a treasure.
so uncanny 🤣
Did you need a definition of the word? There's this thing called Google I hear it's highly recommended.
You are not kidding! I love everything she has written. I am on hold for this book at the library. Is it a good thing that they say it's a 14 week wait...? I think so.
@@jamesclark6142 I love everything she's written too!! I need to reread Shock Doctrine again. WOW that's quite a wait at the library but it will surely be worth it!
👍Well said! Completely agree with you.
She seems to have mastered mixing truth with lies herself. Just two examples: RFK jr., unlike she said, does plan to raise minimum wage. And he does not promote aggressive stance on China like Bannon, who she briefly switched to for this point while talking about RFK Jr.
She also doesn’t look anything like the other Naomi.
And there's the fact that she doesn't admit she has a financial motive in going after RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf, both critics of the pharmaceutical industry. Her husband receives money from PharmaCare. She never disclosed this, and Democracy Now never asked.
It is very sad to see Naomi and Democracy Now refusing to see conspiracies when they have spent their whole carreers reporting on conspiracy between corporations and governments.
I think this was talked about. She mentioned that conspiracies always have some element of truth. Like the fact that large corporations are controlling the state apparatus. This is true. Then conspiracy theorist take this only in the realm of pharmaceuticals that were used to fight Covid-19. Why not take the analysis to the socialist conclusion that all oppression stems from Capitalist oppression? Big Pharma is bad to profiteer from misery, but so is every profit driven industry. If people like Bannon, and Wolf would become true critics of Capitalism, they would no long be conspiracy theorist. Instead they drum up outrage from uneducated masses, without any class analysis. It's all a culture war to them, and ignores class warfare.
@@eveningchaos1Coincidence theorist.
The Left has left us. They were totally on board the shutdowns, forced shots, etc.
I had a friend who was all Sanders in 2016 and when the DNC did their thing and Sanders was out, he felt extremely betrayed. He then proceeded to vote for Trump, and no amount of pleading or reasoning with him did a thing, he was convinced Trump was the one after that.
Trump 2024
He was anti establishment and if the dems got a progressive he would vote for them
@@googlenazicompany5935so you want to end america then?? Fine way to fast track a revolution they would get overthrown eventually
much the same with wars, Amarikans are easily persuaded or riled up for yet more wars, even though Irak was proven like many other conflicts are totally orchestrated by U$ corp regime incl the one in UKR.
Heck evidence are showing even 9II were orchestrated by U$ govt because the people behind U$ govt is the same group who took over U$ at least since 1963.
Very few Amarikans are asking the right searching questions.
@@googlenazicompany5935 F that. Let's just go straight to the Hunger Games.
I thought thar was resolved awhile back. Amy misquoted RFK jr, even showing him right there not saying that! He said (not shown) also Finns. And it COULD be made as a bioweapon to target certain groups but not that it had been.
We saw the clip. This distorts what Kennedy said, and is frankly a smear. I'd die if someone said this about me.
It doesn"t distort what Kennedy said at all, but of course, you already know that and are deliberately lying in order to spread a false narrative that RFK Jr is somehow a victim. In reality, he has been able to appear on huge platforms that other candidates are not being invited to.
It's odd how willing Klein was to smear him so crassly in her hit-piece article. As a fan of her work, I was disappointed.
@@eemoogee160 Look what she did to fellow "sista" Naomi Wolf! Wrote a whole book ridiculing her. So no surprise here. Ugly and casually cruel.
I have been duped by the other Naomi and admit embarrassingly that I have not given N. Klein a chance.
This is great dialogue and relatable at this unique moment.
Why duped by Wolfe? As far as I can tell she is just making the data of big pharma available. I don't like the truth she has uncovered but denying it doesn't change the reality.
Please read the shock doctrine. It's a classic Klein that I think everyone should read or listen to.
Both are kosher fakes.
@@charismahornum-fries691 I read it. And it's an excellent book. But ms. Klein lost her marbles in the pandemic. Shills for big pharma and eugenicists now. Very disappointing.
And before you react: There's foreign DNA in these shots, and an SV40 promotor that facilitates access to the human cell nucleus. And that's just one of the many things wrong about this product. Please look it up yourself. There's been SC Senate hearings. You've all been duped. I'm sorry. We did try to warn.
@@charismahornum-fries691it is, and it's a critical thesis more relevant than ever.
Unfortunately, this klugee hook to plunge into realms well beyond her prior greatness and the command she had of the subject matter of No Logo and Shock Doctrine. She's a superficial partisan riding/resting on her (well deserved) laurels as a formerly insightful intellectual. It's a profoundly disappointing and insidious phenomenon.
The underlying foundational mindset should be the same critical examination of where authority derives from, and the mental acuity to not play into intellectually arresting concepts like "conspiracy theories" and the tiresome idiocy of linear, binary left right corralling of independent thinking.
Cooption is real in every upstart movement, and so is deliberate efforts to undermine legitimate efforts to expand the over on window. So drifters and agent provocateurs both worked to turn the initial tea party ideas into a murky, racist Frankenstein of where it started. Even some of the basic ideas Trump rose to power on, have been de legitimized through this same process.
A predetermined bias for the simplistic two sided structure of "discourse" is change suicide, and ensures that in the face of wildly concentrated power structures increasingly acting cohesively to the detriment of "the masses".
Her pining for a romantic resurgence of a relevant "leftist" groundswell ignores the shifting and obvious urgency and relevance of the need to curtail state power. Even if one maintains the belief that the state is the best vehicle for addressing the decimating of the Middle class and the rights of individuals, not recognizing that a more nuanced perspective that recognizes the immense monopolistic power of interconnected state and corporate actors is on terrifying display as it explores the limits (if any) of how far this ruling force can go in playing its hand.
In short, she's a superficial lightweight way out of her depth here reflexively groping for reestablishing relevance of a political paradigm that no longer reflects anything close to reality.
Do upstart voices get some things wrong? Of course. But even using the terms "conspiracy culture" and conspiracy "theories" is ignorant, damaging and makes her a useful idiot to the murky forces that gave birth to the concept in the 60s to divert intelligent dilettantes away from some of the most critical open questions of the last 100 years.
It's sad and frustrating that she is choosing this route to attempt to regain relevance. To the extent it works, she has become part of the problem and will placate her followers and reinforce their derangements and blind spots.
"It gets very confusing" is certainly true, and this offering will exacerbate that. If it doesn't work, she will deservedly slide further towards irrelevance.
I wish it weren't so, as she was once a powerful force for greater understanding of the big picture. But it is so. She is ironically the embodiment of the distractions she laments through her unwillingness to change her thinking and risk her comfortable niche.
Oh well.
One of my fav plays to pull in a verbal argument, "That's the thing about contradictory statements, ya kinda gotta pick one..."🤣
I'm more Contrarian. The NEON GAUD will be unveiled at the Great Re-Set on 09/23/26. Men and women will never lie, cheat, steal, or murder again -- so help us GAUD.
YOU WILL BE HAPPY. Fentanyl Euphoria for the MAsses -- FEMA -- inspired by Huxley's SOMA (synthetic opiate) for a Brave New World Order.
BUT FIRST, WAR: Every desperate nation, tribe, and peoples for themselves . . . in the Name of GAUD -- Grand Architect of Ur Destruction. Abraham's Ur.
The devil expects to absolve himself, by proving Mankind unfit for God's Kingdom with a worldwide war. The devil is delusional -- Daniel 7: 9-14. 10/12/26.
Or we recognize the cognitive dissonance when two contradictory realities are both true. Which is hard for a lot of people who have difficulty accepting shades of gray.
@@herahagstoz6934 "realities" whatever that may mean, can exist in apparent contradiction but facts can't.
@@herahagstoz6934 That's the difference between theory and practice.
The fact is that the covid19 vax wasn't put through the normal safety tests. Despite being a completely new form of technology, viz messenger RNA, it was rushed out and coerced onto the general population. So I salute RFKjnr and Naomi Wolf for bringing their good intellects to the fight to bring back freedom to choose our medicines, without coercion by powerful state players.
Right, Naomi Klein conveniently didn't reveal what Naomi Wolf has been investigating the past three years and talking about on Steve bannon's show. She brought together hundreds of healthcare workers and scientists to comb through the thousands of pages of Pfizer trial documents, which the public only saw because a court-ordered demanded they be released for peer review. I don't understand why Naomi Klein considers this a fantasy conspiracy in a mirror world. Yes, Naomi Wolf has talked about China somewhat, but her primary work has been around side effects reported in the Pfizer documents.
RFKJ has been spreading the word to that none of the increasing number of childhood vaccines have been tested against a placebo, and the newly-added covid vaccine has not gone through long-term trials (since the Pfizer and moderna trials were closed after ten months when the placebo group was given the injection). This is always shocking when people hear this and really get it. Are Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein are "pro-vaxers" meaning they fully support giving pharmaceutical drugs to babies and kids that haven't been tested against placebos, and haven't completed long-term trials???? Reducing the impact of pharmaceutical drugs on the complex biological system of our body to name-calling like anti-vaxxer is immature.
Naomi Wolfe is getting the Pfizer Documents out to save us.
In hindsight, the vaccine roll out was an excellent decision. Vilifying masks was horrifyingly stupid, so what is your issue?
In a pandemic, there is no time to do safety tests on the virus. All people know is that it could be devastatingly bad.
As it turned out the virus was _average_ and only resulted in what, several million deaths?
You missed the point.
@@mcgoombs What point was that?
Why didn't Democracy Now interview Dr.Peter McCullough or any other world wide recognized expert to talk about Covid 19, the MRNA Vaccine Effect, etc??
I thought Democracy Now was independent enough.
Why interview a Cardiologist about a virus? Why not bring on a liberal arts major to discuss auto repair while they are at it?
@@abram730 1. Dr. Peter McCullough has treated thousands of people with the Covid Virus (of course his is not only a Cardiologist). Did you know that most of the government decisions, measure, policies about Lockdowns, Vaccines, Covid were made by politicians or doctors who NEVER treated one covid patient, but they all did have clear ties with vaccine manufacturers? 2. As an world recognized expert Cardiologist, Dr. McCullough confirmed early cases of Miocarditis or Pericarditis caused by the vaccine but no one listened to him. On the contrary, he was smeared. 3. He explained clearly in the US Senate which now is a fact: 80% of the deaths could have been prevented if over the counter existing medicine was to be used EARLY (immediately when the person had the first symptoms, had direct contact with an infected person, etc). When all efforts were directed to the people at risk ONLY: people older than 60 years old or and people with previous immune illnesses. By the way, the FDA had confirmed that they never prohibit doctors to prescribe Ivermectine. Now they say doctors can prescribe it. A coincidence? a misunderstanding? The emergency use of the Covid MRNA Vaccine was approved because NO ALTERNATIVE medicine existed in the market: Dr. McCullough and other doctors have proved that Ivermectine, Hydroxichloroquine, etc. in combination were sufficient as early Covid Treatment and even for hospitalized patients.
@@abram730 You guys are so hostile to outside thought.
@@fredgarvinMP Just sick of stupidity and idiocracy.
I think demonizing the "other" side is the problem. People should start recognizing when the "other" side speaks the truth. And people should start being honest with their own misgivings. There is something critically flawed about the capitalist and democractic structures of the U.S. -- it doesn't matter what party is in power. Let's be honest about this and work toward making a better reality for us all.
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Exactly, people hate when I imply this. And that I do listen to any sides at times. And all contain partial truth.
I live in Canada too, so I feel where she's coming from about the Trucker Convoy (the second one) and in general that we on the Left that aren't doing enough, in terms of solidarity and moving FORWARD not just reacting. Reactionaries used to be the major Right support! There is a point at which it becomes almost insurmountable to get past our often intellectual differences on the Left and come together in time to really overcome the problem of the Lure of the Lie, which is what I call the conspiracy theory culture (thank you for that perfect name) and the general trends on the Right. As Prof. Chomsky says, if we don't stop capitalism from "doing it's thing", "They're going to kill us all" (referencing the fossil fuel industry and its concomitant use of the right wing agenda). Conspiracy theories are very insidious because they're very good at bringing confused lies into a system that has embers of truth smoldering in them and fanning the flames alight. I loved Disaster Capitalism M Klein, which is the only book of yours I've so far had the opportunity to read. A robust Left. Douse the conspiracy culture.
What was your problem with the Ottawa protests?
so glad someone’s noticed the pattern and articulated it. Thank you Naomi Klein, ready to have my mind blown again by your work again
What Naomi Klein is describing about deplatforming is the reason Kennedy wants to talk to people on the right. By not talking to people outside of the progressive bubble, you're not engaging them with your ideas.
Thank you, Naomi, Amy, and Nermeen. You are true, intelligent journalists, with integrity rarely seen in modern media.
I applaud the book and this excellent segment of DN!
Stay the course, Progressives.
Thank you, Naomi Amy and nerameen. You are true, intelligent journalists with integrity. It's rarely seen in media today.
Klein should have disclosed her husband's relationship with PharmaCare. She has a financial incentive to go after RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf. DN didn't ask her about this, leaving viewers in the dark.
This video needs to be fact checked. I can't find anything about a truck convoy protest surrounding Canada's mass grave problem. I can find reporting of two separate convoys, one addressing vaccine mandates for border crossing and the other addressing vaccine mandates in general. I've read what both Naomis wrote about Occupy Wallstreet. Wolf addressed draconian measures to crush the protests, Klein wrote a confusing piece seemingly aimed at confusing the meaning of the movement. Her smear here of RFK JR. is ridiculous. I'm very disappointed with Democracy Now for this segment.
Ok
@@DJWESG1 cool, thanks for stepping up. Let us know what you find!
@@willdrewing4049 I think the mass grave thing has been debunked.
Also disappointed
For those who are captive audience to this (not any of us), this material is like dessert on a satisfying meal. Why would they bother to look any further, or go and fact-check?
Be honest. RFK Jr referenced a study and presented it as a thought experiment. It wasn't his own made up fantasy conspiracy.
Lol
This is untrue about Robert Kennedy, Jr.
After listening closely to RFK for several weeks I’ve determined that, while he does make some great points about corporate and regulatory capture, and I love love love how he’s reminding conservatives why they should and did used to care about environmental issues(it was Nixon that created the EPA after all), I don’t see him addressing my most important concerns. Nor do I see any evidence in his platform that he has any plans to address the issues he does speak wisely to. And sadly I see plenty that he will work in service to those that created the worst of our problems. Bummer bubble burst.
That said, I’m dumbstruck by the sheer volume of misinformation flowing from Naomi’s mouth about him and what he’s said, and with Amy’s in tandem agreement. Verbatim the liberal corporate media narrative that we know beyond a shadow of doubt is false in it’s entirety.
Just wow.
Incredibly disheartening because the truth is plain for anyone who takes the time to listen. Given that, it’s hard to see how we overcome this.. saturation level propaganda.
Hard not to turn away from something so ugly, dystopian and unnerving.
And with that, we are truly lost.
It's an incoherent argument. Is AI the problem or is it the "far right conspiracy theories"? The main media are the primary purveyors of the new AI reality. Naomi Wolf is not AI, nor is she any kind of doppelganger of Ms. Klien who is cynically user her name to seek clout.
I was also very surprised as to Amy simply going along with Klein. USA needs Bobby but even with a miracle that he would get elected the various bent powers within politically and the huge power of the mega corps will stymie his every move.
yes and the EPA is corrupt and allows corporations that pay them to pollute it's just another useless department we're wasting taxpayer money on
I stopped watching g Democracy Now during the pandemic when I saw it had the same rhetoric as the mainstream media. Then I became conservative after being a liberal my whole life.
@@marial3231 I can understand why you stopped watching DN. But that wouldn’t have changed your belief system, so what did?
Just curious, with the admission that I myself have come full circle so to speak; started in a Republican family, became more liberal with hard life experience in our caste system- not merit based in any way.. And now, best described as a progressive conservative.
- Lifting up those at the bottom makes us stronger as a whole.
- Environmental stewardship is essential to our health and survival.
- Strong border security protects us financially and keeps us safe physically.
It’s not about me as an individual, only about what’s best for us as a nation and a society.
You should talk to the other side. As a hospice worker who helps people die. You forgotten one important thing. Talking to each other. This is so arragent. TALK TO EACH OTHER.
Agree. So ugly to have women talking smack about another woman, that is, Wolf, without allowing her on the show to defend hers
Real story: Naomi Klein is actually Naomi Wolfs doppelgänger.
Lol!
First rate conversation, but it's a shame her final observation was cut off.
The Democracy Now format is insane sometimes.
I hope Naomi Wolf is writing her own version of this book.
Me too. It is unsavory to watch these two women badmouth Naomi Wolf, without giving her the opportunity to present her point of view.
Wolfe’s substack about Klein stalking her is excellent. It’s called ‘Is Naomi Klein "Othering" Me Due to Family Ties' Multi-Millions in Vaccine Money?’. And Wolf’s substack is called ‘Outspoken With Dr. Naomi Wolf’. Wolf is an extraordinarily talented writer, with a beautiful smooth style. Wolf is one of those rare talents whose substance and style are equally powerful.
@@alteredcatscyprus Thank you, it was an excellent rebuttal from Dr. Wolf!
@@llh3025 You are welcome!
I’m a leftist but when she refers to the right and not the left, I just feel like she’s not being honest. Let’s be fair.
She became a doppelganger of herself, supporting US neoliberal imperialism
Yeah, its horrible that both the Dems and the GOP are captured by corporate interests.
0:21: 📚 Naomi Klein's new book explores the culture of conspiracy theories and the alliance between the far right and former progressives.
5:35: 📚 Naomi Klein discusses the concept of doppelgangers and how they reflect the potential for fascism in societies.
10:51: 📚 The speaker discusses uncanny experiences and the use of doppelgangers as a literary technique.
15:41: 📺 Steve Bannon's media sphere and his strategy of attracting abandoned individuals to his side.
19:58: 🔍 The speaker discusses the magnification of negative experiences in left or liberal circles, leading to dehumanization and unjustifiable political alliances with dangerous figures.
24:50: 💡 The role of the left during the pandemic was to push for more than just following government guidelines, but also fight for issues like indoor air quality, smaller classrooms, and raising wages for essential workers.
30:18: 📰 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is tapping into fears and anger with his anti-vax attitudes and activism.
33:49: 🔍 The speaker discusses the funding and patents of vaccines, urging caution and skepticism in the face of conspiracy theories.
38:53: 🌍 The book 'Outrages' by Naomi Wolf explores the impact of social media on society and the importance of finding calm in a chaotic world.
Recap by Tammy AI
Naomi Klein now declares herself as so much better than the likes of Glenn Greenwald to ascertain the truth that only her camp's view of the world is the real view of the real world. No one has cornered the market on knowledge and wisdom about our politics, covid, etc.-- it's a confusing mess. Sad that she seems to have gotten on the bandwagon that rides the strategy of foregoing debate and resorting to trying to label people she disagrees with as conspiracy theorists.
Hi Amy, please invite Wolf onto Democracy Now and give her the same time that you are giving Klein. And hopefully you would allow her to speak freely, not interrupt but simply ask questions like you did here.
Why on earth would anyone host a liar and conspiracy theorist?!😂
exactly - why give air to lies, and false hoods because MAGA folks now feel this their mirror version of equality in their minds.
@@Patrick_Ross
@@Patrick_Ross Why not? Better than having an echo chamber. People need to be exposed to dissenting views, even if they're bonkers. The end of the fairness doctrine is one of contributors to the propaganda landscape we live in today. It's not to sole reason by a long shot, but giving the "other side" a chance to speak is a good thing that over time leads to a more informed public that is trusted to weight the arguments and make decisions for themselves.
The foundational expression of the "mirror world" in Western literature is Homer's "Iliad," in which any hero who kills will be killed and in which treats with "equity" both the Greek and Trojan soldiers. Looking forward very much to reading Naomi Klein's use of the doppelgänger as a way of interpreting her experience and wondering if she has read Simone Weil's "War and The Iliad."
All I know is that if I do not swear blind allegiance to the Democrats, then I love Trump and want putin to win.
@@lavalavalavalavalava Like the rest of us have had enough that if we are not enthralled Trump supporters then we must be satanic child blood drinking unpatriotic Marxists....🙄 You see, it cuts both ways
As a Green Party leftist, "I feel your pain".
It's all a cult. Klein's book and speaking engagements sent a message to Wolf about what happens if you leave the cult and start thinking for yourself. You will be publicly ridiculed and marginalized.
There are actual conspiracies and conspiracy hypotheses that are not true because there are other more reasonable explanations. When there are questions about highly suspect events, and sometimes it's a string of highly suspect and related events without satisfying answers, if these events are consequential and lead to a possible conclusion that a threat to a free and civilized society may be near, then dismissing a call for a reasonable explanation by simply calling it a conspiracy theory only helps to support the claim that it is a conspiracy. Since there are plenty of conspiracies that no one questions today because over time, efforts to cover it up are no longer adequate and timely, believing that today no conspiracy theories could be true is not realistic. I think labeling a false conspiracy theory as only the purview of the left or only of the right gives cover to people from one ideology or another that are being deceitful.
Dem Now and Naomi K are bad faith actors! They work for the DNC. Your argument is spot-on.
They should have had you as the guest!
I totally agree. I fear tyrants take cover under the term conspiracy theory. Crimes go unpunished because someone somewhere can say what tyrants do is conspiracy theory. People forget that all investigative journalism starts out as a conspiracy theory. The journalist starts with just a small amount of evidence or a hunch, and follows to uncover more and more. Naomi Klein knows about pharma's conspiracy to profiteer off the covid era. She presents this as the reasonable and intelligent type of conspiracy theory. Most of Naomi Wolf's work the past 3 years has been gathering hundreds of healthcare workers and scientists to comb through the court order release of thousands of Pfizer trial documents. Klein didn't mention this, and it's been ninety percent of what Naomi wolf has been talking about the past three years. Naomi Wolf could only spread the word about her work on right-leaning media outlets because no left-leaning outlets, or any media organization receiving pharma money through advertising, would have her on, which means a vast majority of media outlets would not have her on to share the damaging information she reported on. Anyone could support or refute what she found in these Pfizer documents - that would be the fair thing to do. But boiling down all her work into a unreasonable conspiracy theory in some mirror world is dishonest in my view.
Very well said
It is important to realize that all people have inherent distortions of thought, which act as shortcuts in thinking, called cognitive biases. For example, proportionality bias is the tendency believe that significant events mus have substantial causes, e.g. the assassination of JFK was not just due to the actions of a lone gunman, but arose from a concerted effort of a group of malign actors. Another example is confirmation bias, in which people tend to seek out information that confirms their existing beliefs e.g. “I’m going to research COVID vaccines on my own” where someone finds a study or website that supports whatever preexisting belief they have, when they may not have enough of a scientific background to assess the veracity of that information. The Alex Jones’ and Steve Bannons of the world are well aware of these and many other cognitive biases and leverage them to deceive massive swaths of the population in an effort to manipulate/gaslight them into believing a false narrative that benefits their political party. Education and training in the principles of critical thinking is the only thing that can immunize the population against these malignant influencers and is absolutely necessary in an online world of internet echo chambers, and the “Dark Mirror” world that malign actors are attempting to create.
I always want to hear both sides of a story before I form an opinion. I find it troubling and sad whether it's "liberals" (such as Democracy Now) or the "conservatives", they both are guilty of only allowing one side of the story to be told on their podcasts, network news shows or in the halls of their universities. Rarely are there any public debates or civil exchanges of divergent ideas anymore. Just one side telling the other side to sit down and shut up while they tell the world "The Real Truth". And those who go along with the "Ruling Class Narrative" are rarely if ever challenged by the mainstream media anymore. Umm I wonder why that is? Alternative voices are rarely allowed to be heard or considered and are unfortunately the reality of our world today. It’s creating a very dangerous cultural and political divide in our country. Where one side is "OK" with dehumanizing and demonizing those who they disagree with. They view them as "The Enemy" and "Dangerous to Democracy" while consider themselves as the "Virtuous Ones" and "Saviors of Our Democracy".
The only winners here folks are the modern day Robber Barrons who are financially and politically benefiting from this dangerous divide. They have immense financial resources to back both the Right and the Left. They do this by making large donations through their dubious NGO’s and "philanthropic organizations". Both sides of the political and media spectrum are guilty of taking this money. Both sides are being played off on one another. And instead of uniting and pushing back against the biggest threats to humanity (which are our rapidly declining health, wealth and freedoms), we find ourselves fighting amongst ourselves over mostly our petty differences. If we can’t afford the cost of rent, mortgage, food, gas and other basic essentials all those other lower Maslow’s hierarchy of needs will become meaningless to us.
If Democracy Now was truly "The Exception to the Rulers" it would allow its listeners to hear both sides of the critical political and cultural issues of our time. I use to believe it was, but unfortunately it has become just another dividing mouthpiece for the ruling class. Rarely if ever trying to bring us together only dividing and helping to tear this country even further apart. Unfortunately many on both sides the political spectrum are being played by the corporations. I ask Amy Goodman to let Naomi Wolf have her rebuttal and allow her to speak for herself instead of allowing only Naomi Klein to define Naomi Wolf.
Below is another post which expresses this also:
@bonlevina5621/5 days ago
"Truth mixed with fallacy are not exclusive to any one group. In the words of Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Both ends of the political spectrum suffer the sin of assumption. It is a phenomenon. I highly respect Naomi Klein. Shock Doctrine is one of the best books I have read. However, the Left can be as frightening as the Right.
During Occupy Wall Street I learned that there are some Christian-haters flying the 'inclusiveness' flag, to be sure! I had the audacity, while enjoying pizza with a group of fellow protestors, to mention, conversationally, that the historical Jesus spoke out for the poor and disenfranchised. It is hard to describe the vitriol that exploded toward me, so I will spare you. I began to back out of my involvement with Occupy. I realized that, in no way, did I want the status quo replaced by a new wave of power-seekers. I can now understand why the politically right fear the far left. I have long understood the opposite. It occurred to me that hate and prejudice is insane no matter under which flag it is flown.
I think we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. "De-platforming" is another, less scathing, way of saying 'censorship', which is precisely what it is. I love a good argument, which is pretty hard to have when only one point of view allowed to be aired.
Wonderfully well put. How can the writer of 'Shock Doctrine' not understand the role the globalists play in dismantling democracy (now) ?
You want this Naomi Wolf to come on the show? Lol that's such a weird ask. Do you mean to say that news programs have to always allow every liar on their program whenever someone points out their lies, or is this uniquely for people you think are credible?
Great comment, I couldn't agree more. 👍🏽. Ordinary people need to be able to come together. We need to stop the organizations negatively affecting our wealth and health, and stop letting cultural squabbles and name-calling divide us under a left/right divisive paradigms..
Ninety percent of what Naomi Wolf has been talking about the last three years has been the hundreds of healthcare workers and scientists she gathered to comb through the court order release of the thousands of pages of Pfizer trial documents. It's interesting that her primary investigative work the past three years wasn't mentioned by Naomi Klein or Amy Goodman at all. Why not have Naomi Wolf on to report on this, and people can support or refute what she has found and decide for themselves whether she's living in some conspiratorial mirror world?
I really appreciate your comment, is like you're putting words to my thoughts. I wish I could copy your words to share them. Thank you!
Perfect regurgitation of the rhetoric Steve Bannon spews & his talking points-& how MAGA has successfully (without even needing proof) vialafied the Mainstream media as the problem so you don't watch & how MAGA controls the narrative. It's why they call things a witch hunt, hoax or just completely smear the person to discredit them. In what universe can you actually believe “Christians are being censored” (again, no proof needed) while they call accredited & long standing News sources like NY Times or PBS fake news & constantly attack the press- while full heartedly believe publications that have been around for 2 years but shared by MAGA so it makes it credible? - you can see a post that says “I wonder why MSM isn't reporting on (a story)” like that person watches all of them to know -but it's Again, to control the narrative-
Funny how they misconstrue what rfk says because he said its possible
and green cheese at the bottom of a crater on uranus' outer moon is also possible.
Why did they pass up mentioning her book on the corporate take over of post-Maria Puerto Rico?
Interesting how Wolf lightened her hair, making her look even more like Klein.
Conspiracy theorist.
Why would Wolf want to look like Klein? Naomi Wolf is beautiful. It’s Klein who is lacking in beauty.
@@alteredcatscyprus Klein is lacking it inside and out.
I always enjoy listening to Naomi Klein. Thank you!!!
Again, Amy Goodman is actually lying by taking out of context RFK JR's comments. Stop it! Please. (Ok, poorly worded by him, but his explanation is absolutely coherent.)
Agreed. The "anti vaxxer" label is erroneous and overused. The "antisemitic comments" were taken out of context. Redundant parroting. Could Amy PLEASE just engage in conversation with RFK Jr.
Hi
Can you explain how he is correct please?
Unfortunately, RFK Jr. doesn't know how to read a scientific journal.
That's a problem. Many non-scientists can't..
It's going to be more important for researchers to explain their papers in layman's language.
Also, "science" left a vacuum by not being straightforward and "giving all the facts". It left room for rumors and conspiracy (still doing it).
It's partially the fault of mainstream news and the public health community for not being completely transparent.
RFK Jr. is not talking "the truth" but neither is "the other side" in full.
Then it gets down to who's more correct than the other?
(FYI, not RFK 😔)
-someone in the sciences
Again, I'm not a supporter of RFK Jr, but the way a few words were taken out of context and repeatedly misrepresented, even on DN, is frightening and significant to me. As he explained in several interviews in the days following the release of that short video, he was talking about the need to create international mechanisms to control and limit the development of biological weapons. He cited a reputable peer-reviewed study that showed evidence that the Covid virus seemed to be more dangerous for some ethnic groups than for others. He says he was using that fact as an example that viruses, in theory, could be developed to target specific groups, and therefore, "as President" he would work hard to build international rules to prevent such developments. I've seen him make this point on several videos on UA-cam. The Democratic Party and the their press continue to ignore the context of his words and repeat the snippet completely out of context. It's a smear that I'm very disappointed to see DN participate in. I guess DN has become just another outlet of the Democratic Party?@@Dantianblue
@Arturojazz4 I agree that his remarks at an unofficial setting have been taken a little out of context and used against him.
However as a politician he should know this will happen and be more careful when bandying loaded phrases and terms about like "targeted". It's a bit disingenuous to display shock at this. It's all part of the way things go these days.
He is a well known anti vaxer and peddler of conspiracy theories. Bill Gates has suffered worse at the hands of conspiracists.
It's a shame that both sides stoop to similar tactics but with the psych wars being conducted by the right wing currently and their assault on truth, maybe the good guys need to start getting punches in.
I called Wolf out to her face for her liberal feminist crap on her “Fire With Fire” tour. I quoted Emma Goldman at her and criticized her book from the hard left. Then I shook her hand, thanked her, and she signed my copy of her book. ✊🏼
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My question is for Naomi Klein: Have you talked about the WHO pandemic treaty?
Read Wolf’s substack, ‘Is Naomi Klein "Othering" Me Due to Family Ties' Multi-Millions in Vaccine Money?’ And I think you might find the answer you are looking for.
Great interview ✌️♥️ Thank you!
Compassion and empathy are not much good without action. It's just the secular version of thoughts and prayers without any real action.
I met a gang of Doppels - amazing how much they all looked alike --- lol😊. Seriously, AI is generating alternate "realities", and is also programming itself to where we won't know what's really happening anymore - perhaps a real world Gulag Archipelago
i suspect that if the bs online reaches a certain point then people will start to reject the internet much like people rejecting print media nowadays
Being unmasked, unvaxed, super healthy and self-thinking, I refuse the pseudo devide of so called "left" vs. "right".
*TRUTH IS ALL THAT COUNTS.*
Can you ask Naomi wolf on I guess I want to hear what she thinks I’ve gotten a lot from Naomi Klein through the years I respect her but I’ve paid some attention to Naomi wolf through the yeas I just wonder about her reaction
I plan to try to find her and listen to her. I read her book on the tree house, which had some very eloquent parts. She has always been strange, but in a good way. The last place I saw her was in a video at Oxford, filmed years ago. She comes across as extremely warm.
As a reporter, it's always good to listen. The person you're reporting on Robert robert Kennedy junior.
Wow. As someone who used to follow both Naomis, I never got them confused, but am shocked and somewhat saddened to see how much Wolf has changed over the years. I will be buying this book.
I'd save your money. You're going to need it for the continuing hyperinflation...
You mean price gouging.
@reidwhitton6248 lol 😆!! Is that a serious statement or are you just trying to be funny. You don't honestly feel the current inflation and skyrocketing prices is all simply the result of price gouging??
@@lurewars Check the earnings reports of many of the big corporations. They are making record profits.
@@reidwhitton6248 ...more like vaccine gouging. "8" boosters and counting.
Perhaps Democracy Now should interview RFK jr
Pretty please!!!
YES!!!!! And Naomi Wolf too!!!!! --- As it stands now -- what they are presenting is no different than MSNBC or Fox News --- simply spouting their own biased opinions/talking points. What happened to dialogue? What happened to discussion? What happened to debate? -- I am so deeply sickened by what I've observed over these past few years. This is more of the same.
And Naomi Wolf. They wouldn't dare because their shallow arguments would fall apart.
Truth mixed with fallacy are not exclusive to any one group. In the words of Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Both ends of the political spectrum suffer the sin of assumption. It is a phenomenon.
I highly respect Naomi Klein. Shock Doctrine is one of the best books I have read. However, the Left can be as frightening as the Right. During Occupy Wall Street I learned that there are some Christian-haters flying the 'inclusiveness' flag, to be sure! I had the audacity, while enjoying pizza with a group of fellow protestors, to mention, conversationally, that the historical Jesus spoke out for the poor and disenfranchised. It is hard to describe the vitriol that exploded toward me, so I will spare you. I began to back out of my involvement with Occupy. I realized that, in no way, did I want the status quo replaced by a new wave of power-seekers. I can now understand why the politically right fear the far left. I have long understood the opposite. It occurred to me that hate and prejudice is insane no matter under which flag it is flown.
I think we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. "De-platforming" is another, less scathing, way of saying 'censorship', which is precisely what it is. I love a good argument, which is pretty hard to have when only one point of view allowed to be aired.
@@lavalavalavalavalava Me too!
However, the Left can be as frightening as the Right. - can be but far less
Well said
I agree, great comment.
Well said
A little bit generalized on the covid thing and Amy and this Dr misquoting RFK jr. I wouldn't vote for him anyway because of his stance on Israel but lets get the wording correctly at the very least.
The best lies are always accompanied by a good dose of truth. How true, a shame it applies equally to this channel.
There is no one who is without basis for criticism. The problem I have regarding Ms Kline is that she appears unwilling to turn the critical mirror upon herself and ask if all of her own opinions stand up to scrutiny. No one is 100% correct about everything, except it seems Naomi Kline.
Bingo
I don't think Klien could write a book like this without self reflection. I don't get the impression she is arguing that she is 100% right or perfect.
I disagree mr.p, but appreciate your halfbaked trolling.
@@johnbroussard4856 I am always willing to learn something new, if you could be so kind and expand upon your comments as to why you my comments where half baked and trolling? Many thanks.
This book could be made into a spooky rod serling's twilight zone-like feature ...
lol If you prefer, think of THESE TIMES as Man's Pre Star Trek moment -- complete with our own Q. Mankind either ends war now, thus paving the way for a marvelous, worldwide civilization, OR men and women are forever forbidden from the stars, perhaps even our souls, bound to Earth, with the beasts.
Q, just as Q-wizical as ever, says, "I don't believe men have souls. If they do, it's barely discernible. This time, Jean-Luc, it's not up to you and your crew to save the day. It's up to them -- souls or not!"
That would be a great way to expand the ideas and truth in the book for people who don't read but like a visual experience. Super idea.☺
Naomi Klein is a voice we often need to hear. Have just reread Shock Doctrine. Once again, I am stunned by Naomi’s work. Reading Doppelgänger soon.
Shock doctrine also hit me hard. I cried when reading the Iraq chapter.
I picked Shock Doctrine up at a Salvation Army Store for a $1.00. It was the best investment ever. I was shocked at how she gathered priceless information and how she was able to analyze the data and explain world events. She was able to help ME make sense of world events that was very perplexing....
Do you see how the Shock Doctrine was used after January 6th?
@@nochepatada No, I didn't. I really didn't follow the trials.
@@deborahtucker4900 the government used it to expand online surveillance
So I'm not the only one that got confused between Klein and Wolfe!
How does this happen?! They have different names! I truly don’t understand
@@georgedendulk3657 Well, they share an appearance to some degree, and I can't remember, but maybe their voices share some traits, and maybe their personality is similar too. They were both in the cultural mediasphere at a similar time (I think). and critiqued modern culture with a similar vibe (so to speak)...and they both have one-syllable last names?...This is just off the top of my head; a proper comparison would be more accurate and specific.
DN and Klein have a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Shame.
Yup. Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep, it starts when you're always afraid (of Trump, conspiracies, Naomi Wolf, etc.)
I love democracy now, I’ve watched daily for years… but you guys are so wrong on RFKjr and the COVID issue… I don’t get it. Why are you choosing to cover these 2 issues with blue no matter who blinders on?
Very disappointing
Democracy NOW! Needs to interview author, seminar leader, Patricia Evans, " The Verbally Abusive Relationship". Patterns and Tactics that Abusers of Power use in every area of life.
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I noticed long ago that the far left and the far right complain about the same problems, but blame different things/people as the cause. There is enough blame to go around. There is both truth and falsehoods on both sides.
I'll summarize: A growing segment on the Right is embracing antiestablishment populism while the Left has become less populist and more integrated with the establishment. I agree with this analysis but all the clever literary framing of her book seems more confusing than explanatory.
many good points about schools during lockdown and the authoritarian attack on truckers and freezing their bank accts
Edit ... VERY disappointing to listen to this. More smearing of RFK Jr. and that masks protect. Hypoxia ... good luck. Seems that Amy and Naomi Klien don't bother to listen / watch what Bobby has said such as his testimony to the House on Jul 20, 2023. Or his recent interview with Cheryl on the Tim Dillon Show. Naomi Klien is obviously out (again) to promote her latest book of which for sure now I'm NOT gonna buy, especially after seeing her talk here. Bobby's (RFK Jr. ) absolute determination, stamina, physical fitness and ... furthermore his super sharp mental clarity at 69 is absolutely outstanding, FAR beyond any other presidential candidate ... probably ever. Democracy Now going along with whatever Naomi Klien says is absolutely Ridiculous.
I'm a huge fan of both Naomi's. It's very disappointing that you need to bash Wolfe to raise Klein. Democracy Now used to be pro worker and anti elite, now everything is just ignorantly parroting exactly what Blackrock wants.
100% accurate!
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Hasn't even read the book
Folks, This lady seems to be presenting herself as an American. She is a Canadian citizen and this should have been clearly explained, and not lost in a brief caption. She is a teacher at a Canadian college. Why is she presenting herself as an expert participant in the American political landscape?
It also appears that she is making bank on the confusion between her and the American right wing pundit by the same name. To the producer, for the 50th time, RFK Jr. is not an anti-vaxer. He is for safe vaccinations. He and his family are all vaccinated.
Regarding vaccinations in general, something that's good for the group is never good for everyone in the group. Personal example, the two top men in my company became very ill and one of them almost died after getting their booster shots.
Stop misleading people about RFK Jr's statements about which groups are negatively effected the most by the vaccine. There is a biological difference between the way different races and groups of people are impacted by vaccinations. BTW, I'm a BerniCrat and I know the difference between a conspiracy and an adversary.
Awesome comments
Thanks !!!@@jwilson2500
Man, this is a trip down War on Terror memory lane. Makes me wanna bust out an old copy of Adbusters and take in a Zinn lecture.
Sadly, that left no longer exists.
@@fredgarvinMP exactly!