Tesla Cybertruck: Stud or Dud? | Alex vs. Warren
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- Is Tesla Cybertruck a winner or a loser now that it is out and we know everything about it. I'm debating Warren Redlich in our 5th debate!
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Range is relevant. Yes. Most days you don't need it. But when you need it with a lack of changing locations. It becomes a problem. Rural Wisconsin is an example.
Rural NE Washington state is also an example.
Maybe now, but not for long, just check the growth of charging stations, it’s exponential. Evs are also getting better and cheaper, fast.
If you worry about charging locations when you own a Tesla then your gonna have much more worries with any other EV brand.
I agree. Cybertruck won't drive revenue too much. However as a test bed of latest tech on wiring, voltage, & manufacturing methods it is a win for TSLA as it will implement these newer tech to Model 2.
Great Content, love seeing polar opposites clash. Its invaluable to healthy debate.
Insuring my M3 with Tesla was initially cheaper than StateFarm. But then Tesla implemented some ridiculous driving criteria that made it more expensive. I stopped Tesla insurance as soon as I could and went to StateFarm.
Every vehicle I bought I had a bill of sale and when I went to pick it up they said they made a mistake and if I wanted it I had to pay more and I told them to stocked up their behind!
The original 500mile range promise was made because the original plan was to double stack the 4680 batteries. & the 4680 energy density was assumed to be further along than it is today.
...but who lives in rural Wisconsin? There's a reason they don't have public charging stations. Meanwhile, here in Los Angeles, I have ten within five miles.
@@KaiPonte If you use a truck as a truck you dont need to go anywhere close to 500miles to use 500miles of charge. As jerry rig everything has shown the truck can barely do 100 atm maxed out
@@iCozzh I drove trucks for well over 20 years. (1987 Nissan hardbody, 1995 GMC Jimmy, 2006 Chevy Avalanche.). I rarely ever drove more than 100 miles in one day. What I'm saying, is that the naysayers are unrealistic. By the way, I've now had a Ford Mach-e for 18 months and 25,000 miles. Absolutely zero issues, and haven't needed to fast charge for several months.
@@KaiPonte I’m not talking about the majority of people lmao
EV proponents always like to say most of the time, for most people etc etc. But what about that 5% of time you really need to go further in a pinch? Medical or business emergencies? Your EV just can't do it and you either miss out on a business deal or worse medical emergency? Is it worth the sacrifice? Just think about it.
Hertz losing money is a one time thing. No mention that all the new cars they would buy would be at those cheaper prices. Hardly representative of long term resale value.
The body repair on a Cyber truck will be no joke ! I have worked with stainless steel and alloys for many many years. SS is not like other metals to work with.
When you spring or the a body panel get's sprung, you are not just going to get dents out or it back into shape easily. When you try to heat or repair SS the heat moving through it is difficult to control or deal with. The metal turns colors according to the temperature of the heat applied to it.
They will have to cut out sections and TIG weld it back into place with matching alloys and special shield gases. All of that is going to be very expensive and take lot's of time.
You are going to need to have very skilled welders to do it right and not screw it up.
If the heat management and control get's a little off the entire area will warp and move and the patching will be tough to hide because of metal grain and alloy colors , not to mention heat discoloration. The welding and shield gases will have to help with that.
It will be very difficult to get the body panels to match up and align during and after repairs.
The other issue is the material itself, it grows and shrinks a lot according to temperature!
The vehicle and all repair materials will need to sit for a select amount of time in a perfect temperature range before any fitting and welding can be done right.
The biggest elephant in the room is the fact that Tesla is one of the most avid opponents of right to repair. They don't want to sell aftermarket parts and don't want to let consumers or independent shops work on Tesla vehicles.
Truck people like to repair and modify their own vehicles to fit their wants and needs.
It is almost impossible to do that to a Tesla. I am not talking the little bling items that Tesla owners like to decorate their vehicles with.
Love the channel, I appreciate that you are letting consumers know, or hear what they need to hear. Tesla has accomplished many great things and I wish them more success, but that doesn't mean that they are perfect. It's good to hear a different view that comes from the heart. Keep up the good work.
So cool you and Warren are pals now! 👍👍
Alex, you are the man, agree with everything you said. Thank you for not being a fanboy and giving your honest unbiased opinion! P.S. Warren is NOT your friend!
I had a repair at Paramas NJ Tesla collision center and had a quick and superior service.....repair was so quick...amazing experience....so not as you say it is....i agree with ur guest speaker...I HAD NO ISSUES...IN FACT STELLAR EXPERIENCE AND MY CAR LOOKED AS GOOD AS DAY I BOUGHT IT
Brought in car with days of accident and got it back within 10 days.
I agree with Warren. I have the Cybertruck on order (Dual & Tri) and I'll take the Dual motor because it does deliver most of what was promised plus the air suspension, performance, etc. I think the CT is a superior product to R1S or Lightning.
It was nice to see a real debate.
Tesla missed the boat in producing a Rivian/Ford/GM pick up truck competitor four years ago - something that looked like a truck rather than a space vehicle. It’s hard for me to see how the Cybertruck will be anything but a niche product.
9 years non existent
Tesla reports getting 10,000 orders per day for the Cybertruck after its release. All indications are that the demand is high for the Cybertruck, and it will probably own half of the US electric pickup market in 2025. Yes, Tesla should have produced it with 2170 cells and existing tech in 2019, but Tesla did load it up with lots of new tech and it took a lot longer to release.
You can please some people but you can never please everyone. If they had come up with something like the Rivian (which would have been way easier and perhaps more profitable) Guaranteed there would be a lot of people: Teslas designs are ordinary and boring , why can’t de do something different.
CT is not only different but useful ss exoskeleton, tonneau cover, steer by wire, rear steering, adjustable air suspension, on and on. They even developed a way to compress air into battery pack so you don’t have to worry about floods and perhaps even take your truck for a swim in the future.
I am in Texas and I pay $89 a month for full coverage…2022 Model Y. But that is because I have a safety score of 100… and the most asinine thing about that is, if I drive between the hours of 10 PM and 4 AM my score will tank. They really need to eliminate that as part of the safety score. It’s ridiculous that I have to leave my daughter’s house, in order to make a curfew of a tween 😂
You geriatric rabble rousers are the reason insurance rates go up!😅
Warren is right! Sandy told you exactly what Warren!
They didn't deliver on payload and they didn't deliver on towing capacity. No tailgate ramp, sails were supposed to open for storage but don't. I was looking forward to all of those capabilities/features. The range and the price as Alex said are the elephants in the room. I won't be able to order this truck as it sits today.
They missed 6 seats, sail pillar storage, ramp, price, range, solar option, ATV, I'm sure there are others, but yeah. They did deliver unexpected stuff, but got most.
Warren asked what else Tesla didn't deliver in the Cybertruck: max cargo capacity: 3500 -> 2500 lbs and max towing capacity: 14,000 -> 11,000 lbs.
On the other hand there was a whole raft of features that the Cybertruck added which weren't included in the original announcement.
Elon laughed at BYD in 2011, when their e6 wasn't very good compared to the Tesla Model S, but that was 13 years ago.
1909 discussion. Horse or car.
Man, I would've love to meet both of you last month when I visited Thailand. I'll keep my MYLR for awhile till the base CYBTRK is release.
I agree with Warren. Tesla did NOT Promise. How is that so hard to understand. And yes, the AWD got better specs including range and towing then original specs but no one including Alex give them credit for that.
95% of the people actually buying cybertruck are not buying it because they tow stuff. The majority of truck owners in America don't actually tow with their truck. I see lots of construction pick up trucks never towing just hauling.
Range is not a problem now as much as it was in 2019. And it will be less of a problem going forward as charging times improve with battery tech.
Are we sure they are friends? lol😂
What's the name for frenemies that aren't friends?
I like my Chevy Bolt EV. My lease is up in one month. But GM has tripled the price of the Bolt EV lease for the 2023 model. Same car, same miles etc.. Guess what I wont be re-leasing? That's GM's decision to reprice because of internal administrative decisions. The consumer DOES care what the company does regarding pricing and profitability.
I'd like to see another car maker make a bullet proof car or SUV similar to CT shell. But with phev drivetrain and none of the computer on wheels design, but with more robust traditional physical buttons and controls. It'll be a good seller.
you guys need to these debates in person w/ a film crew. will be much more fun and animated!!! esp with a Singha in hands....
There’s a big difference between a final production vehicle that doesn’t resemble the prototype versus a product that’s presented with final specs and taking customer orders.
I have a buddy who absolutely loves his Cybertruck. I disagree that range is an issue. Probably 90% of driving will be 50 miles or less. This - like the F150 Lighting - will be perfect for contractors and soccer moms.
That works for people who drive trucks to use as grocery getters. Folks like me that use a truck to haul stuff and tow trailers thousands of miles, it is a fail.
@@MrCPPG i was waiting for this comment. So, please inform us how often you haul stuff more than 150 miles in a leg?
@@KaiPonte During the summer, I regularly travel from Port Orchard Washington to Newport Washington TOWING A TRAILER. Google up the distance. In Feb I pull the trailer from Port Orchard to Salton Sea Ca and back. Often times I like to go deep into the wilderneds and stay s month ir two. How much does an EV LOSE charge when it sits unplugged? After a month, gasoline is still potent enough to be used.
Yes I know your type waiting like a coiled snake because you want to tell everyone how to live. Go on do your best. I am not an EV hater, just a realist.
@@MrCPPG Actually, an EV does not lose charge when sitting. The older ones do but not the newer ones. I see you go from the coast to the border of Idaho. I have family in Spokane so am familiar with the terrain. My question to you is this - why do you post here? I see you are dead set against EV's for your purpose. But what about the rest of us? I drove my 2006 Chevy Avalanche from Los Angeles to Seattle once. That was a very long trip that I did in several days. Like I've said before, I used to be crazy and drive 500 miles in one day. Now - maybe 200 miles max. There's just no reason to do anything different. You go ahead and keep paying $350 to drive that. (I'm assuming you have an F250 Powerstroke at least and tow a 5000# trailer, which would net 5 MPG average for that trip, meaning you would need to use at least 70 gallons of diesel at $4.50 per gallon.)
@@KaiPonte Actually you are wrong, they do lose charge, several youtubers have stated so, especially if you run the surveilance mode on your Tesla. Please point out one video where they leave the EV unplugged for a month and it has the same charge when it was left.
I drive a 3rd gen Ram 1500. For some reason, when prices spike, they jack up diesel more than gas. My trailer is not some 40ft everything-and-the-kitchen-sink RV. It is a converted cargo trailer with solar that maxxed out is about 3,000lb. Like a New York Studio apt inside with enough electronics to get internet in the wilderness so I can work remotely. Even have 720W solar on top. My truck gets 9mpg towing. Maybe that is the best I can ever hope for. The big problem is the trailer is like a wall in the wind. A brick would be more aerodynamic.
I SHOULD be able to find an EV solution. I am NOT dead set against EVs for my pupose. Cybertruck was SUPPOSED to be that solution at 500 miles range. That is why I post here. It was disappointing for my use.
To suggest using Cybertruck like you would used a Model Y makes a Cybertruck redundant. Why not just pull a flat utlility trailer in a Model Y in those rare cases you need to haul lumber?
Good to see the debate
Why does Alex say he cares about consumers and then talks about Hertz losing money?
Why would a consumer care that Hertz loses money on their Tesla fleet?
Hertz did not realize if a person rents anything they do care how they bang them up and if they knew how. Hertz wanted to taken advantage of of a great idea and should not have not ordered so many!
The 4680s will need to be developed to the point where the anode contains 8-10% silicon to achieve 500 miles of range in a fully populated underfloor battery pack. There are four different nanotechnology methods that enable adding silicon to battery chemistry without any swelling issues coming online this year or 2025.
That's another bit of snake oil BS, "battery day", more marketing DUD.
They always start out high price but come down as units produced goes up. That's the price of being first. Is it a bad truck? No. Is it the revolution we hoped for. No, but it's still good.
Is Warren like this in person? He has no concept of reality or common sense.
This warren guys head is so far up elons clacker, he is so defensive of tesla as if he was the ceo. This guy is an arrogant loser.
This warren guy has his so far up elons clacker. He gets so upset, you would think he was the ceo of tesla, why do you bother with him Alex. He just acts like a spoilt child.
I owned a few ford products And it was repaired and in the dealership weekly !
If they provide me a Raptor or Cyber truck for same price, I’m getting a Raptor. That makes no sense. So I’m able to tow and drive far. I gave this guy the benefit at first but then the Fan Boy just comes out. I have a Tesla model 3. Love it for what I need it for. So this guy is a joke. It’s like arguing with a toddler.
And I would take Cybertruck over Raptor, the CT is going to be quicker in the real world, will handle much better and will cost about 1/8th for electricity compared to gassing the Raptor where I live.
So everybody that disagrees with you is a fanboy and a toddler? How much do you tow really? And how far?
@@chakmiss just like social media is made out to be. Take someone’s text, assume they said something else and attack them on it.
@@uniseat1313 How can you feel attacked when I literally asked three questions? All of them by the way would genuinely would like to know the answer.
I also have a distaste for mainstream social media in that regard
Stf up @ 17 : 59 no depreciation w/“ over the h air updates “ it get better w/age
A couple notes. I prefer buying a vehicle that is profitable for a company. It helps guarantee the company and vehicle will be around in 5 years. Also, as an engineer, estimated specs on a vehicle announced several years ago, are just that, estimated. I’ll take the engineering compromises required to produce the Cybertruck along with 48V, Ethernet, 4 wheel steering and steer by wire. Thanks for making the video. Enjoy the better phone service and internet in Thailand. It is impressive :-)
Where around the world is the Cybertruck available to buy and legally drive?
Outside of YT I've never seen one anywhere in the wild.
There is one parked across the street at work here in Utah for the last month.
You guys are in so extreme oposite sides that I am not amazed that you have become friends. At least you didn’t mentioned Sandy on this video, still a subscriber but pick and choose as a watcher.
I keep hoping Tesla's manufacturing innovations will lead to what really counts - lower prices, including for pickups. If we're going to get to an electric future, there HAS to be more affordable options than we're getting from Tesla and most others. They promised a more affordable PU, but the Cybertruck's announced pricing ain't it.
Lower prices are a hallmark of Tesla. I bought a first generation Model 3 and paid $56,000 for it. It was a rear wheel drive long range. 5 years later I replaced that car with a Model 3 Performance with a white interior, and the additional features like power lift gate and heated steering wheel. It’s faster and stops better and is all wheel drive. I paid $50,000 for it, and transferred my FSD. Cheaper, with lots of extra features.
Just wait till they mass produce.
I think all the missed promises are basically due to the failure of the 4680 batteries to reach their stated goals…
A light truck can't tow a heavy trailer
Funny how last year I was able to get a Model 3 at Hertz and now I had to get a Bolt EV last week. Last I check they are selling 60-80K miles Teslas for around $30K. lol
Very very good!
Watch Throttle House review of Cybertruck, and how the 4 wheel steering created an issue with crab walking to the left when trying to pull out of a tight supercharger station.
Not all innovations are good innovations
It doesn’t crab walk yet, future update. This was driver error. He wasn’t used to the fact that the rear wheel steer, takes a little practice to acclimate.
@@rudyadjetey5120 did you watch the segment? He was simply trying to pull out of a supercharger stall, which he had to be turning sharp right to get out of.
Because of 4 wheel steering, this brought the left side of the vehicle precariously close to the charger, and then his attempts to correct it, seemingly kept making it worse.
4 wheel steering is at best a party trick or a feature to turn on for use once in a while in a special circumstance. I don't see it being useful the majority of time. I'd like to see how it impacts reversing with a trailer as well, because it's going to create more pronounced rear end swings while trying to reverse a trailer
@@tannermcnabb4836I did watch it, all he had to do was reverse straight back.
I think they'll simply give us the option to switch off that feature for trying to get out of such situations
I watch that review too. For some people, it takes a little Bit to get use to it. Some take to it right away , steer by wire.
The *CT* is getting many bad reviews from the early Receivers of the *CT* .
Only the "Tesla Fanatics" and other people that like to *_be seen_* , like the truck.
We won't know this year. Not until there are a few unbiased, real journalists give us real information.
THE ONLY MATH THAT MATTERS GRADE 3 LEVEL MATH OF FUEL AND MAINTENACE SAVINGS......WORK PURPOSE PPL WILL BUY BECAUSE ITS FREE TRUCK IN THE FUEL SAVINGS ALONE.... DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FUEL A MONTH IF YOU USE LOTS DAILY LOL..MAKE YOUR MONTHLY PAYMENTS FREEEEEEEEE ABSOLUTELY FREEEE IN THE SAVINGS ALONE. MAINTENANCE AND ALSO THE LIFESPAN OF VEHICLE MOST GET RID GAS TRUCKS AT 250,000 MILE AS THEY BECOME ULTRA HIGH MAINTENANCE... SO YOU BUY AN ENTIRE NEW TRUCK.. TESLA KEEPS GOING SO YOU GOTTA CALCULATE 2 TRUCKS + FUEL FOR 500,000 MILES AND MAINTENANCE... THEN LOOK AT SOLAR COST IS SEVERAL CENTS KWH ONLY...THEY WILL ALSO START TO LOWER THE PRICE IN FUTURE..
The Cybertruck to me is an interesting engineering and production exercise but do I want to drive a wedge of cheese? I dunno....let me see it and drive it, then I will decide.
What the duece? Why is the mic blocking half the view lol
Alex where are the Rivian order jumping and death pedal exposes you “promised” ?? 😂
Comparing clothes manufacturers to automotive manufacturers is apples to oranges…
Due to weight we already saw the broken off wheel during off road - sadly
The *CT* is getting many bad reviews from the early Receivers of the *CT* .
Only the "Tesla Fanatics" and other people that like to *_be seen_* , like the truck.
Alex why did your subscribers number stay the same for months? Is it because you're not telling folks what they want to hear? I feel nowadays folks don't want to learn something new, they are instead looking for channels that reinforce their pre-existing ideas.
I use to watch him then he disappeared from my feed. His unrelated to Tesla conversation on Warren's channel brought him back so I hit that subscribe button in hopes the algo realizes I want to hear his opinion. Previously he just naturally showed up so I didn't.
I don’t know Alex’s channel, neither warrens, but I see it’s not that Alex is not saying what viewers want to hear, it more sounds like he is dead wrong and doesn’t acknowledge it.
Take 21:29 for example, he emphasized the lightening promised 300mr and delivered 320mr. Then got confronted the CT Awd also promised 300mr but delivered 340mr. It was funny to see him out of words, but instead of acknowledge that fact, backpedaled “but we’re talking about the top model” 😂
I would not want to be informed by somebody that can’t admit their wrong when they’re wrong, because you can’t grow as a person when that happens. Maybe that’s the reason his channel is also not growing who knows 🤷♂️
@@chakmiss As someone who has already ordered their Dual CT, after upgrading from the Trimotor reservation, and is waiting for his delivery date... 340 is aspirational, not realistic in North America which is the only place the vehicle is being sold. So, he's wrong on specifics but correct in essence. Tesla failed, *hard*, on the CT both aspirationally and specifically. The things they did better than expected are great and I'm sure I'll be overall happy with the vehicle. I also know if someone makes a 'battery extender' that runs on diesel I'll be even happier. The fact that the extended battery doesn't include a fifth wheel attachment is a serious fail imo. If you're gonna eat the bed, eat it properly.
@@Trahloc Your right EPA range is 320. An Tesla did fail aspirations on range and price. But those are the only two things they failed which is not a dealbreaker in most cases, in your cases I get it, and yeah it seems like a good idea to include spare tire with battery extender
@@Trahloc You know the good thing about Tesla is that it listens to feedback, so maybe they’ll redesign by the time it comes out
Whether you like it or not is not important. The technology in it will change the way cars are made.
No Tesla insurance in Louisiana either. Tesla has also failed with Solar installations. They need to install their own products. Solar Installers are moving away from Tesla.
Alex, So much for your consumer views. Warren is totally right on dealers going bankrupt. You really need to stop your hatred of Tesla. It shows very bad on your personally.
Says a fanboy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The major issues for hartz selling their EV is not because of repairs.
a) it's due to the unfamiliarity of many of their customers with electric vehicles, especially Teslas. It seems that Hertz was experiencing some challenges in properly introducing these vehicles to their customers, leading to a lack of understanding of the value of EVs. B) Hertz noted that they were looking to invest in a more diverse fleet of vehicles, including more traditional gasoline cars, in order to better serve their customers' varying needs and preferences. While Hertz's initial move into EVs showed promise, it seems that the transition wasn't as smooth as they had hoped. 🚘⚡ Period. The rest is fake news as a way to get to Elon.
The biggest cause for them to get away from EV was a lack of demand , poor resale value and high collision repairs cost. Get your info straight .
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Example: The Mona Lisa ain't no beauty but ......
Warren got his butt owned in this one. He completely ignores Fords heavy duty trucks that are like 20% of fords truck sales. First he says Teslas target is 250k CT a year. Thats not even half as many sales as the F150. Then he says it will outsell the F150. How did they deliver on the CT , supposed to be availble in 2019 and its still not into production. How is that delivering.
I am NOT pleased about the price increase on the CyberTruck...
32:20 Warren is comparing the price of an F-150 Raptor to a Cybertruck. The problem is the Raptor is not a high volume truck. So he must be making the point that at a similar price point the Cybertruck will also be low volume. But that is quite the opposite of what he is saying as he expects in 2026 for the Cybertruck to sell 500k units. They will have to lower the price substantially as well as increase range for that to become a reality. A couple years ago Warren stated in one of his videos that Tesla would sell over 3 million vehicles in 2023. This guy is unfortunately extremely biased and overly optimistic about every aspect of Tesla. I love Tesla, but this truck is a major letdown in many aspects. I am disappointed as both a consumer and a shareholder.
A further comment on pricing. The average pickup in the U.S is selling for roughly $60,000. Any gas powered truck sold for $60,000 has 4x4. The Cybertruck will start at 60k when they finally get the base version out; however, that will only be a rear wheel drive version and the range on that version is really bad.
Another good video.
I don’t buy pickups yet I admire the exciting Tesla cybertruck. Glad Tesla brought this vehicle out in the marketplace.(edit) I’m a E for Electric fan with the host Alex yet I side with Energy Pal perspective on the cybertruck. The technical advances on cybertruck and the looks are fabulous. Kudos to Tesla for bringing this new exciting vehicle to the marketplace.
We see the same things over and over again, Car experts don't understand truck people.
I mean real truck people and users. Engineers don't go out and ask Farmers, ranchers, contractors, acreage owners, business owners, delivery owners, transporters and real truck users what they want in a truck.
The F150 became the best selling truck when they made a 4 door car like vehicle that appealed to a wider section of potential buyers and those who can only afford one vehicle to do it all to a point.
I am a real truck user who buys a vehicle according to it's utility and not it's style or creature comforts.
I am a GM or Silverado guy because of it's utility. Mine has a 6.5 foot bed because that is the bare minimum length I can use efficiently for everything a truck needs to haul or tow.
Another thing is the fact that I can put my Ebike or my mountain bike in the bed and close the tailgate. I am over 6 feet tall and my mountain bike has 29 inch wheels. The length of my mountain bike is 1 inch from the rear tailgate and does not need to hang out over the tailgate.
My truck has 12 tie points in 4 corners to tie down anything I need to tie down. There are three loops in each corner and they are at low, medium and high points.
I could go on and on as to why the Cyber truck is not well liked by truck people beyond the looks.
The cyber truck is a disappointment to most truck people and it is not going to take the market share the ( experts ) predict.
Truck people are upset with the Lightning in it's performance on range and real world usage.
Rivian is not a real truck either. The Silverado would sell like crazy if the price of the truck was more reasonable. If I could buy the Silverado EV right now for 50,000.00 I would replace my entire fleet of trucks.
I'm not a track person, nor an EV person. May I ask you why would you trade your gas track fleet for an EV one had their purchase price was comparable? I mean, EV vehicals today seems to me so impractical, for example:
- If you care about practicality, don't you care you will have as much as 50% less range in an EV track, even less if you have to tow heavy loads for extended distances?
- Don't you care you would have to spend exorbitant time charging these vehicals?
- Don't you care about charging infrastracrute availability and dependability, especially in remote locations?
- Even if you intend to home charge, wouldn't that require an expessive retrofit to your home charging capabilities, especially if you have to charge more than one track at a time?
- Don't you care about the reduced level of serviceability, its expected higher cost and longer time to repair due to parts scarcity?
- don't you care about much higher insurance premumes?
- Don't you care about much higher depreciation values?
- Don't you care that it's practically impossible to assess the condition of the battery post crash, and the cost for replacing it with new one should it deemed unsafe?
- Don't you care about the possibility of spontanous battery fire, especially post crash, that is nearly impossible to extinguish should it occur?
@@zvikabar-kochva3641 The Silverado EV has the highest range out of all of them and the most usability.
My fuel costs every month are astronomical. This would save me on fuel.
I have access to 3 phase power and would have them charge overnight at the shop.
Most of the work trucks stay closer in the area except for 2 used to tow heavy and long distance. They would have to stay ICE unless a better solution comes along.
I lease my trucks and write it off against the business. I would never have them over 4 years max.
Many other factors influence what I said.
Rivian is not losing money as much as is suggested because they are not outsourcing its software to external companies. They will be profitable as they ramp up production and lower the internal costs. Ford will lose money on the lightning until it brings more production in-house as well. Both these companies will become profitable if they keep trying. They are not just going to go away. It's GM and Stellantis that don't seem to be trying as much in the EV market and may fall by the wayside.
Fan boi tantrums lol
I am looking forward to the 500+ mile cyber truck. You keep saying it does not exist but it does. With the extra battery pack and the solar tana cover it comes in at just over 500 miles. Does the price hit the mark, no but it is less than the Rivion AND lightning even after they are losing $50k per truck. When you put it side by side on price the cyber truck delivers hands down next to ANY other electric or non electric truck. The ONLY thing I wish they did was stack the batteries on top of each other. If they would have done that we would have our 500+ range ( with tanu cover) for 16k more and that truck would out sell ALL other trucks combined. Just my 2 cents. They have MORE than enough room under the truck for us that want that extra range for traveling. (Stack the batteries on top of each other and add in a skid plate.) That is what the consumers wants, give it too them
If Alex lost $500 everytime he posted a UA-cam video....would he keep posting them? He'd probably cut back on his uploads. It seems Alex's hatred for Elon and Tesla blurs his logic at times. When Warren's "lawyer-logic" shines through Alex pivots and changes the topic.
Yes I would if I was building an audience that I know would bring me millions in the future. See how easy it is to prove you wrong? It's amazing how Elon was able to brainwash people like you into completely brainless lunatics who actually think they're smart
@@EforElectricNot if you ran out of money first. Ad Hominem attacks are a weak tactic, by the way. Instead, why don’t you get their financials, look for trends, then show how Ford can continue to lose tens of thousands on EV sales while at the same time watching ICE sales decline….. sales they rely on to fund their EV business -- which continues to lose money. It’s a viscous circle. That is why they cut back production on their EVs.
This was a very long video and it was very hard to watch! These two guys are stressful to watch and probably raised my blood pressure by just watching them argue about something that maybe a non-issue in the future. The cybertruck is very polarizing and to many people, it’s not a true truck at all. I think it’s a fad and is not practical for what people want from their trucks. I’m going to wait, just like I think most people are doing, and see what happens with the technology of BEVs in general. Right now (and I’m hoping for some breakthrough soon) the market will never change enough that ICE vehicles will be replaced in any significant numbers, with what they are offering us for BEVs based on price, safety, cost of ownership, longevity and resale. Maybe stainless steel is a good choice for many purposes, but why a truck? I think Ford did it right by going with aluminum body trucks, it’s less weight, easier to shape, can be painted, and is corrosion resistant. Ford uses aluminum that is able to withstand most damage, so it’s more practical too. So my question to you both, and everyone, why are all these manufacturers making such high tech, fancy vehicles! What happened to bare bones, basic vehicles, that are super cheap, practical and simple to use and maintain? The battery pack can be based on how much range you need at the time. Why are all the BEVs coming with such heavy, large and expensive batteries? I would like to have seen battery packs come in standardized sizes and no more than 100lbs each, removable and based on the vehicle’s needs, how many units you need. Think about it, doesn’t this make more sense?
A lot of Warren's assumptions and statements are not correct, this vehicle is not going to pull F-150 consumers in any significant numbers. Cyber Truck buyers are not traditional truck buyers. And, for a fact, in Mayrland, Tesla insurance was significantly more then staying with my current insurer.
FORD IS FOR YUPPPYS THAT KEEP IN THERE GARAGE TESLA IS FOR HIGH UTILIZATION AND TENS OF THOUSANDS IN FUEL SAVINGS... IF YOU USE IT OFTEN ENOUGH ITS LITTERALLY FREE.... IN THE FUEL . MAINTENANCE SAVINGS... NO ONE PAYS 60K MORE IN FUEL OVER 7 YEARS BASED ON LOOKS....ITS GRADE 2 MATH.... ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
NOT TO MENTION YOU GOTTA BUY 2 TRUCKS FOR 400,000 MILE OR 500,000 AS A BUSINESS AS GAS TRUCKS BECOME ULTRA HIGH MAINTENANCE ... SO CALCULATE 2 TRUCKS COST AND 500,000 MILES IN FUEL.AND MAINTENANCE
.. VS SEVEARL CENTS KWH IN SOLAR COST... AND THE FACT TESLA WILL DROP PRICES AFTER THE HUGE BACKLOG DWINDLES
F150 Lightning gets more range than cybertruck in real world use. Tesla always has ideal epa numbers and not ones that factor in bad weather
Tesla should have made it more aerodynamic by not having a triangle edge at the top.
Cybertruck is a DUD! It will not be purchased by people who need a truck for work purposes. This is a vehicle for the rich, and is not a practical truck for the masses. Ford and GM have an opportunity here......they can sink CYbertruck if they focus on engineering and the market segment that buy trucks.
YOU NEVER DID THE ONLY MATH THAT MATTERS GRADE 3 LEVEL MATH OF FUEL AND MAINTENACE SAVINGS......ONLY WORK PURPOSE PPL WILL BUY BECAUSE ITS FREE TRUCK IN THE FUEL SAVINGS ALONE.... DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FUEL A MONTH IF YOU USE LOTS DAILY LOL..MAKE YOUR MONTHLY PAYMENTS FREEEEEEEEE ABSOLUTELY FREEEE IN THE SAVINGS ALONE. MAINTENANCE AND ALSO THE LIFESPAN OF VEHICLE MOST GET RID GAS TRUCKS AT 250,000 MILE AS THEY BECOME ULTRA HIGH MAINTENANCE... SO YOU BUY AN ENTIRE NEW TRUCK.. TESLA KEEPS GOING SO YOU GOTTA CALCULATE 2 TRUCKS + FUEL FOR 500,000 MILES AND MAINTENANCE... THEN LOOK AT SOLAR COST IS SEVERAL CENTS KWH ONLY...THEY WILL ALSO START TO LOWER THE PRICE IN FUTURE..
That is a guess the Cybertruck is going to be profitable. That is a guess the Cybertruck will be in production in a few years.
The real question for Tesla is will the Austin factory ever be profitable. Or is it a money pit.
Im trying to understand the claim the Cybertruck outperforms the Ford Raptor. Heck the Ford Hybrids can out perform the Cybertruck.
based on reviews, pass
Remember 90% of pickup buyers dont use it as an actual truck, so realistically theres zero reason why this thing wont be a huge success
@@iCozzh I suspect the refresh Model Y will eat into Cybertruck sales.
@@Dularr Probably, but wont be noticeable for years to come
Warren needs to look at the camera not up at the ceiling. Looks like a 10 year old trying to add 2+2.
1/4 mile fail, range fail, offroad capability fail,cabin size fail, charging speed fail and list goes on.
The Cybertruck is definitely a huge Dud.
There is very little reason for a consumer to worry about a company's ability to turn a profit. It's the company's job to offer a compelling product while also producing a profit. As a consumer I just worry about what product best fits my needs and budget. Warren talking about Tesla profits is just nonsense and well outside the scope of the discussion.
Tesla isn’t making a profit, its taken ten years and 200 billion dollars to build Tesla, its going to take a decade to recoup that money
the price is the biggest disappointment for me.
What I do like about the Cybertruck is that it shows how "stuck in the mud" the thinking is for the legacy automakers; they just took their current truck designs and to some degree just slapped batteries underneath them. As for the Japanese, so far they are asleep at the wheel and the same for the Europeans: Zzzzzz, zzzz, zzzz. All these automakers have no imagination, no forward thinking, no pushing the envelope; just same old, same old. They all like complacency because they are afraid to try something new and innovative. Dead wood!
Do you think that because of Elon Musk’s becoming more political, and screwing up Twitter (I will never call it X!) is that going to hurt sales?
Cybertruck has a 123 kWh battery « usable » but 8 kWh under 0%, then 318 EPA true miles… who want to drive below 0% ? Not me.
Comparing Raptor to CT. This dude need to get his shit together. Lost me right there.
I agree - the raptor is left in the dust - literally ;-)
Alex is right....Warren is wrong.
Warren is right while Alex is trying to find negative spin. ☮️
Its a goof...makes an edsel look like a winner
The Cybertruck is not even close to being competitive with hybrids, gas or diesel trucks.
The vast majority of Cybertrucks are not selling to truck buyers. They seem to be selling to Tesla owners and people who want parking lot princess.
Tesla promised the Mexico factory last year.
warren doesn't answer questions
Warren Warren u know stuff but u arnt really made for utube u hate now u know there hilarious and fun to watch u hate e for electric u think aptera will fail Warren Warren sorry to say u boring to watch u have tons info but ur audience is for old people
Yea, definitely not a fan.
What's wrong with old people , do you talk about your parents that way ?
I forgot why I stopped watching your videos, and I just remembered. I’m not a Tesla fan but the negative spin you put on everything is unreal. No wonder you hasn’t grown any subscribers in like six months.
Me too; Alex is trying too hard to think up negative spin. 😱
Tesla apologists, evangelists are really cringe worthy. It is not a truck. The faithful will buy them. Once that order wave is over then watch Tesla put it on the back burner like the S and X. Huge miss. Non-truck people doing non-truck things that have a need for attention will love it. Ford making profit on a truck? Repeat after me T3! By the time Tesla has the CT shipping Ford will be bringing the T3. And hopefully it won't look like a freak show like the CT!
Cybertruck is actually the best product Tesla ever made. But a little too expensive
The *CT* is getting many bad reviews from the early Receivers of the *CT* .
Only the "Tesla Fanatics" and other people that like to *_be seen_* , like the truck.
Why is it not a truck? Does a truck have to look certain way?
And competition is coming....
Tesla haters are jizzing all over themselves.
It's the biggest dud I've ever seen. It's actually comically stupid. Tesla needs to get out the revised Model Y pronto.
The host here is predetermined ahead of the interview that it is a DUD and not even ready to listen to the guest! Atleast have a courtesy to hear him out. Your argument about hertz, resale value, range, efficiency is all baseless considering all the other EV Trucks in the market! I would want to buy a product where the company is still around in 15 years to service it or work on over the air updates.
Ugh Warren is another smug Musk fanboy. Alex keep doing what youre doing...really like your channel!
Yep , he's just as brain washed as the rest of them.