“Right wing court jester.” Having come of adulthood watching her stand up and loving her for her hilarious and endearing take on womanhood, motherhood, all the things that a woman contends with- it was so difficult to listen to her current material. The only thought I could muster was, “What happened to her? What happened to that honest, enlightened, bright, funny soul?” Of course, it was obvious that her humor was covering her pain, but it seemed she had tamed the dragon and made it her bitch. I admired her for it all the more. But, now? I would pity the train wreck she’s become but she’s too rich for that. I reserve my feelings for the women still standing and fighting while working for minimum wage. Roseanne, Girl, the queen is dead. Long live the Queen. Queen Coke Francis, that is.
@@chocolateminty AWOMEN!!!!!! (Instead of amen, it felt poignant lol) dang this is poetry tho. You should think about writing! In any way. You’re so good at putting your thoughts to the page! Very clear and concise while still sounding so beautiful and melancholic
So, albeit I don’t believe gender should be looked at strictly through a binary lens, I also think saying “a woman/man is anyone who says they are a woman/man” isn’t clarifying and leads to more problems than solutions. If we don’t have some sort of general definition or understanding of what these words mean, then that’s how female women are abused and exploited AND being trans loses its meaning. Like the man who committed sexual assault then 3 weeks before his sentencing said he was trans and was then put in a women’s prison. I know I’ve certainly been able to sense the womanhood in the trans women I’ve met. Females are a protected class for a reason and there has to be some kind of criteria. It would be nuanced and based in energy and essence, but there needs to be some sort of clarification or being a woman/ being a man means nothing. Don’t you think?
I honestly believe it’s just as simple as a boomer who doesn’t understand or relate to the current landscape. Plus, she was out of practice and has experienced the natural consequences of aging. I still like Roseanne. She’s a special soul. Even though that stand up was terrible, I hear her speak in more intimate settings and I can still sense her spark. Her ever enduring confidence is truly a wonder to behold. I really feel like we should all be gentler with the boomers. The world has changed so dramatically and they’re a product of their upbringing, of which no one can change. They were collectively indoctrinated more severely than any other generation alive today and, for the most part, they’ve done their best to better understand themselves and others and I think we should try and give them a bit more credit for their efforts… even if they don’t give us ours lol. What’s that saying about old dogs and new tricks… maybe we should try to make them a little more comfortable until they pass on. Especially because that day is coming pretty soon. Then the eldest will be gen Xers. That oughta be fun lol
Didn't Roseanne specifically NOT hit her kids on her show, and had a whole episode where she hit her son out of frustration and realized she was just reenacting her own trauma and promised to never do it again? Am I misremembering???
You're not crazy it was definitely a thing. And regardless of whether she wrote it or not, it was probably one of her most earnest and heartfelt acting moments on the show. Definitely a weird 180 to make.
@@elainehelms4076 Oh yeah she did, I still remember some of the fights she had with the writers not following her vision, back in the late 80's thru the early 90's. That show had more turnover than the average 7-Eleven store.
Roseanne complaining that her kids don't want to come around anymore and then advocating for beating kids in the same special... I truly hope they were raised in a better environment than that implies, but I don't blame them for not wanting to attend her shows either way if that's the kind of content they can expect to hear
@@justsaying.8017 Have you watched the special? There are hardly any jokes in it. 97% of it is just unhinged ranting about "there's 5G in the vaccines", "kids these days" and "Q is right". The crowd is uncomfortably silent throughout most of it. It's like watching someone you love slipping into psychosis right in front of your eyes, it's truly sad.
@@justsaying.8017 Like I said, I hope so! But I simply would have no interest in attending a comedy show were my own mom is talking about how she, at the MOST charitable interpretation, should have beaten me
She was sadly a parent in a time when beating kids was considered acceptable punishment so long as they weren't crippled by the 'discipline'. I know a lot of parents who engaged in it who now regret it because they understand the studies that show it worsens children's behavior and resources now exist for non-physical disciplinary techniques. But there's some people who cling to the 'I was beaten as a kid and I'm fine' mantra even while they prove they're not fine and their kids refuse to speak to them for having done it to them. So she likely did it because of the time. Were she a better person/the same person she seemed to have been in the 90s, she might realize what a mistake it had been and her kids would forgive her for it. But she's not.
I didn't watch your whole video, but I will say: There is a clip of a web series Roseanne did with Jackie Beat where they start talking about gender and Roseanne literally refers to the gender binary as anti-feminist bullshit. The fact that she's gone from that to making "my pronouns are kiss my ass" jokes breaks my heart.
@@burninsherman1037 It's really sad because she and Jackie were such close friends that Roseanne arranged for Jackie to open for her in Vegas for BIG MONEY, *way more* than an opener would expect in that gig, and Jackie has always given her credit for boosting her profile and career. And now Roseanne has her blocked on all socials and doesn't acknowledge that she exists, basically. :\
Her book Roseannearchy from 2011 is a wild read, too. It's from when she was running for president as the Peace and Freedom Party candidate, and openly called herself a socialist. Amazing how her politics did a complete reversal in less than five years.
I think it is actually much easier to turn a left-winger motivated by conspiracy theories or a superficial desire to look like a contrarian/radical than it is to get them to instead base their politics in genuine progressive/left values and critical thinking.
@@tylerkochman1007 the right acting like the anti government anti corporate anti censorship group definitely tricked alot of people. And they sacrificed the rest of their beliefs for that.
@@tylerkochman1007 agreed, reactionaries are reactionaries unfortunately. I say this as a communist so i'm not saying all radical politics are bad. But if you don't fully understand why you are dedicated to the politics you profess, it's easy to change your mind lol.
As a lower-class 40 something yr old white woman, everything you quoted from the book resonates with me so much. I too, have been called ‘the exception’ and originally took it as a compliment. I have had some of these thoughts, I hate all the things she used to hate, support the things she used to support, and that letter felt very real. Jeezus, I just hope my brain doesn’t decay so much that I ever turn into whatever it is she’s become. New fear: unlocked.
O so you were and are a pick me girl? Trust me most guys just use this line.....it doesn't actually mean you were somehow so exceptional or soooo different 🙄🤣😂
@@6Haunted-Days Bro, I wasn’t a pick me girl. I was a tomboy who dated women. I just had guy friends who told me I was ‘different’ and being young and insecure at the time, it made me feel good. I just hadn’t put it together yet that what felt like a compliment was actually a way to denigrate others and women in general. So, yeah, kinda gross actually. At no point did I suggest I really am ‘sooo exceptional’. Only that it felt like a compliment when I was younger. Like, Damn son, get some reading comprehension and understand that not everyone fits into your neat little internet categories
i'm a 40-something rock and roll musician/composer etc, i play with and write for kids only a little more than half my age, and the way i see it, the key to avoid becoming the thing we spent our lives fighting is to accept our own loss of relevance gracefully. The world moves on whether we come along or not, so our choices will never include stopping that evolution, no matter how new or scary or unfamiliar it is. Our options are to help the kids make the world into the one they want, or to get the hell out of the way.
@@jamesoblivion No joke, who is more punk, the corpo band made of dudes who hate eachother? Or the Anarcho-punk band made up of individuals who get back up again when they get knocked down?
I hated my voice as a kid growing up and people hated how out spoken and zero filter I was. Roseanne was an amazing figure for a child like me, especially what she stood for. Crazy the flip.. she’s unrecognizable now
As a mom-giving birth and raising kids is hard.Don't get me wrong-love my kids and I am trying hard to raise them to make the world a better place, but it's hard. I can't speak for the trans-women experience because it is not mine but my perception is that it is hard too. Their transition does not take away from my motherhood nor femininity.
Yup. No trans woman is threatening me, as a cis-woman who has had two children, with "invading" my spaces where I feel safest - nor taking away my language if I talk about myself breastfeeding or being a woman giving birth. I'm not going to gatekeep terms used like chest feeding or birth giver - and if using those in certain/any contexts can recognise and celebrate inclusivity then why would I not? I get that it might be hard for people learning about this, I was once learning too (and continue to do so). Ignorance can be remedied, though - denialism and even wilful ignorance seem to be almost impossible to address with those happy to embrace them. People can adapt and it isn't/shouldn't be so effing hard if you are open to learn.
@@facthunt2facthunt245No-one fully understands how hard it is until they experience it. If you are parenting to the best of your ability, it stretches you to the extremes of your strength and endurance. You find resources in yourself that you never knew you had. You also discover your limitations. You experience a love for your child that is like no other love you have felt before. Children can enrich a person's life more than they can imagine, until they experience it too. And parental instinct and desire to have a baby is powerful in many people.
@facthunt2facthunt245 What a weird question? Why do things when they're hard? Because some hard things end with rewards. And for some, seeing their children learn, succeed and be happy is a great reward. Not a universal experience, of course. But for some, it's worth it
I also think people have a tendency to get more close minded and reluctant to change as they age. Trying to deny the fact that they are aging into an unfamiliar world, they desperately cling to tradition and normalcy, disparaging any progress they can't understand. Not all old white people can be as slay as Betty White, god rest her soul.
I disagree with the statement tht if you given birth you can make fun of your kids I think it’s okay if you have consent from the kids but giving birth doesn’t automatically make it okay to be a dick to your kid
So true. If people chose to have kids and then regret it, that's on the parents and not the kids' fault. It doesn't give them the right to be cruel to their kids.
I have three adult kids started as a 17 year old idiot having my first. I have gotten permission from them if I ever choose to run stand up again to tell their goofy growing up stories never having asked them or said I wanted to try stand up again. What I would never do is insult them as adults. Completely different from telling goofy stories of them growing up and well being kids , kids are funny. I couldn’t even fathom ever saying anything close to that about my children. Also , Why do so many parents not understand that the goal of being a good parent is to raise children who think for themselves and not try to create clones of yourself. All of my kids vary in religious stance , dating preferences and to raise three completely individual humans is still my crowning achievement but it will never be my only achievement. I would never degrade anyone ( besides myself at times ) shows a lack of creativity to me. Rosanne f’d herself and to remain relevant had to pander to the people who weren’t completely blindsided by her “ ambien induced “ tweet. iMO She could have stayed away for a while grew a bit. I think we kind of neglected to see she didn’t want to grow as a person from jump. My grandma used to to say you have to be responsible but you don’t have to be mature. This is a lack of both to me.
[● Yes, exactly! If the kid thinks it's funny, then go ahead and joke about it, but there's a fine line between jokes and bullying. If you bully your kid, you're going to ruin them as a human down the line later in life. Yes, tell jokes, be funny, have fun, but know when to draw the line. Your kid relies on you to help them and care for them, not treat them like a punchline.]
My dad used to hate Roseanne because she sang the national anthem badly. Fast forward a couple decades, he literally banned ABC from his television (for a few days) because they fired Roseanne.
@HarryDirtay apologies if you're old enough to remember, but for those who aren't, she sang it deliberately badly at a baseball game, grabbed her crotch at the end, and spat on the ground. Conservatives went apesquat for weeks. She later said she was acting like a baseball player adjusting himself, but I dunno. It was all bizarre.
I want to cry... I feel so bad for her, what happened? My biggest fear is becoming a one-bit bitter shell of my former self when I get old and world -wearied 😢
You won't. You have to keep love and hope and compassion in your heart. Try to be understanding to people. You won't accidentally wake up one day like her. It takes a series of bad choices every day for years. Those people take pride in being hateful and bitter. It's no accident.
@@ursulae2390The ambien probably didn't help on top of that. Not saying it caused it, but it definitely can mess people up and having TBI can interact with how medication that affects the brain works.
@@CRUNCH-w9e This is how I found out. I'm a huge Altman fan plus I loved Duvall's fairy tale series & unironically I love Popeye the movie. Obv she was great in The Shining, but she would've been great in that without being tortured by the director + co-star. Massive soft spot for Shelley & I hope she journeys well.
Ok, I have to take issue with one thing here. Apparently you don't realize how destructive to your self-esteem and mental health is being bullied by your parent. Just bc someone gave birth to you doesn't make you their property and absolutely gives no right to make fun of you.
thank you for this!! children don't have the choice of being brought into this world and it shouldn't be held over their heads and used to justify bullying. i empathize with having a difficult pregnancy or labor but it's never excuse to make fun of your child. 😭💀
I read her book way back when it was published, and liked her stand up back then too. It's been absolutely shocking to see this change in her. I can't believe it.
@@sharimeline3077 She used to be heroic, & she was so electric + talented + raw. It's so painful bc my Mom went on a similar trajectory & I'm trying to step her back from the rightwing racist conspiracy theories. My former 2nd Wave Feminist Mom, who hates unions now tho they protected her job multiple times (we have chronic illness in the family), who split from my Dad partly bc he was a chauvinist, who used to welcome my friends whose conservative parents kicked them out, who taught me progressive values...that person now talks about "gender ideology", "bankers cabals", etc etc etc pick a talking point. It's just so sad & upsetting.
Yes, this is perfect! Well said. I'm a bit older, and I remember the old, trailblazing, femist Roseanne. I am completely perplexed at the person who babbles before me on Fox. What in the fucking hell happened?! You put the whole thing in context for the younger folks who wouldn't know who she was years ago. But I remember. She changed television. She presented the poor, working-class guy. You didn't see that on sitcoms before her. And female comedians weren't brutally honest and in your face like she was. She was unique. I don't know who this person is anymore. And I don't want to know. "We are enemies. We are foes."
If anyone wants more context, a channel/creator called José with a blue jay pfp looks at the entire original series plus start of the reunion, up until the derailment. I found so many things I had forgotten were in this video or in José's so if anyone wants to make this a double feature on Roseanne I urge people to check it out.
I honestly could hardly believe how good those passages from Roseanne's book were. While watching the video I looked it up on amazon and discovered she wrote a second book five years later, "My Lives." Based on the description from the Booklist review, it sounds like the Roseanne we know today -- spiteful, contradictory, barely coherent -- could be seen already in that book in 1994. The review states explicitly: "a different Roseanne must have written this book." I don't know much about her, but I can imagine that the pressures of Hollywood fame and money intersecting with whatever emotional baggage a person like Roseanne carries from a messed-up childhood would be the only possible explanation for what she's become. Awesome video. I'm glad to see a deeper, sympathetic examination of the Roseanne so many people thought she was. Thanks. And by the way, if you're interested in working-class leftism that resonates with Roseanne's old philosophy, I recommend Joe Bageant's book Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War. Bageant was a brilliant writer, but no one seems to talk about him any more.
It seems that some feminist women get so frustrated, hurt and hopeless, they do a 180 without noticing and think they're being edgy or "just honest" or are protecting women's rights and interests. Looking at you, Joanne.
TBIs can be a VERY big deal. I work in mental health and the significant difficulty of treating someone with a TBI vs. someone, with the same mental health issues, without a TBI is incredibly different. It’s so difficult and often they have to be referred to a higher level of care.
She has DID; to me it’s clearly a difference of opinions between alters, and unfortunately the alter that’s fronting lately seems to be very reactionary and paranoid (the perfect combo for a right-wing pipeline entry)
Roseanne giving her daughters grief carries with it the additional sting that she sent them to a troubled teen gulag in Idaho that tr@f!ked children and committed malpractice on a minute by minute basis. Class act. I hope her kids go no contact.
I doubt you will ever see this, but I really hope you do. Roseanne is the only celebrity I know who openly shares my DID diagnosis. I'm seeing a lot of people saying "This seems like a totally different person," and I think it's important to say considering her diagnosis it very well may be. Please note that I am not trying to excuse her behavior, especially because this is clearly not the "healthy multiplicity" we strive for in treatment. Based on interviews she's given about her DID (at the time called multiple personality disorder) it seems to me she may have internalized some of the opinions of her horrific abusers, potentially as alters. This is extremely common for people with DID, it's referred to as an introject. Alters have drastically different opinions and feelings, political and otherwise. I grew up watching Rosanne every day. It was my comfort show through reruns in the 2000s. Having grown up and received my own DID diagnosis, finding out this is how she has wound up is utterly heartbreaking. I wanted to comment this just to inject some further understanding of why she might be acting this way and seems so drastically different. I find this kind of mental illness is often completely erased in many spaces, if not mocked on it's face, so I figured I'd bring it up. Utterly tragic. I might delete this comment, but TLDR the reason she doesn't seem like "herself" is probably because she's multiple people, she has dissociative identity disorder.
@@queencokefrancis I LOVE your videos, I just recently found your channel, and I'm grateful. Thank you! P.S. Kamala Harris's name is pronounced, Comma La.
As a gay man who lived through the aid's era at it's worst l can't believe how empathetic and compassionate that quote was from her book was . It is hard to believe this came from the hateful disillusioned soul who is now Roseanne Barr .
I'm only about half way through. I almost didn't watch, because I knew I would be sad remembering who Roseanne used to be and what a profound impact she had. Speaking as a birth giver, my first son's birth was truly traumatic. I remember being on the table and looking at the medical staff who were not doing anything anymore but watching me. Basically to call it when I had no energy left and they would start a c section. I delivered my son vaginally. In that moment I thought, "oh, this is why women go crazy." I knew if I didn't get him out we might both die and these people could only watch. I think more people should be told that birth is close to experiencing death. Even when everyone comes out of it alive
The UA-camr Jose has a really great video combing over the original Roseanne show and all the subtly leftist commentary found within it. Which makes her current iteration even more baffling. My personal theory is the old brain injury returning combined with her getting older, but maybe she just became the thing she sought to make fun of.
That was a great video! I am a 60 yr old female with two children. One is a lesbian and one identifies as fluid. I have never had any issues with either. I adore their partners and I'm so happy that they found themselves early in life. I am still learning about the lifestyle and it's shows like yours that are helping me see better. Btw great wig!!
I don't want to sound old but I read "My Life as a Woman" in the 90s at about 13, the absolute wrong demographic, but it hit me in important ways because I didn't have a real mom, let alone a feminist mom. Seeing her now is like losing another mother figure
I literally wrote a thesis referencing Roseanne as a trailblazer in the same tradition as Lucy and Whoopi. Twenty years ago I said comedy fans were blessed with more talent available because of the room these women opened for the future.
why have kids you need to roast on your comedy special...actually why have kids at all then? i would dissagree that you have some kind of right to talk shit about your kids since you birthed them and went through labor. they didn't choose, so just don't have the kids then.
@@HarringtonsApocy me and my mom are able to joke with each other about basically anything you were giving me vibes that your kids don’t really have relationship with you. Yes I have been a parent before you say that I am child free.
@@HarringtonsApocy As someone who had parents that would make me feel like dogshit for existing.. No. Don't bully your kids unless they're okay with being in on the joke. There's a reason kids go no contact.
I clicked on this video because I saw the thumbnail and was like "oh that wig ate". And now I'm sitting here mourning the loss of the compassionate, intelligent, insightful woman who wrote that book and then became a much different person. The emotional WHIPLASH I'VE GONE THROUGH.
There is a saying, ‘age gracefully’, meaning that one becomes more empathetic, more wise, more kind, patient, cultured and accepting as one ages. If I think about what could describe the opposite of this saying, I think of Rosanne. ‘Disgracefully aging’
That is very smart young lady! My mid twenties son is talking vasectomy. And I will support his decision. Please make sure your voter registration is still good! The R’s have been purging voter logs. And vote blue no matter who!!! 💙💙💙
@ajulrich1072 I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from deciding what's best for them. I just don't think I could go under the knife like that. I'd rather just take the pill and use a barrier method The last time I had to go under was for an endoscopy, and that was hardly what you'd call invasive, though it did require an anesthesiologist to knock me out. That was enough to send me into a panic for months waiting for my appointment
There's some academic research around this & fr yes it actually appears being wealthy does rewire your brain & make you a more self-centred + self-justifying person who is more willing to harm others. If you don't mind reading academic literature the papers are fascinating & go across disciplines. Also really rich people tend to just tell themselves + others that they are merely "comfortable". If someone says they are comfortable yeah they are rich as hell.
It's worth noting that she has had TBI and at her age things like dementia are of concern even without TBI (there's and increased risk with TBI). TBI can also lead to complications in medications and substances that effect the brain so there are countless potential factors at play beyond what the public does know. None of this is being said to excuse her abhorrent behavior to be clear. Just wanted to add the context for those genuinely wondering what changed. I'm sure some of this is complicated by being a famous and wealthy person because it's a lot easier for her to find people that enable any maladaptive behaviors that contribute to whatever the issue is as well. All around I think it's pretty likely that something actually went wrong in her brain simply because of the complete change in her personality after decades of being against what she's now becoming more of as it compounds.
I completely agree with everyone: mocking your kids, making fun of them is horrible. My entire childhood i was belittled by my parents. I can still hear them calling me obnoxious in my mind. I was wierd. Too sensitive. Ect All that being said, i don't think queen c.f. was being literal with their comment. Pretty sure it was hyperboly
"how is this the same goddam person???"---my thoughts exactly. how DOES on swing a 180 on literally everything they stood for at one point? roseanne is gross these days.
I'm guessing it's the progressive traumatic brain injury from a car crash at the age of 17. Surprised no one mentioned it. According to Michael Moore, who says he knew her for 25 years, it took her months to recover.
Rosanne Bar is a confusing and now polarising figure. Even in the reboot series ( what we saw of it) she clearly took a stand against racism, supported women and highlighted how toxic masculinity has no place in her family or community …now she is telling men to tell their female partners to sit down, shut up and make a sandwich? I don’t see Rosanne responding well to anyone telling her to sit down and shut up…wtaf happened.?????
Conspiracy theory: Republicans are constantly running social experiments and there’s a huge paycheque for celebrity grifters to endorse certain ideas, which is why things like this happen.
This video is such comedy in itself, way funnier than her standup. Well done! The ambien tweet part compared with the excerpt about not wanting to take drugs because if you do you can blame your actions on it 😂
This shit made me cry. I watched Roseanne growing up. I loved that show, I loved her comedy, and I loved her for years after. The fact that she turned so quickly for adoration and money really crushed my spirit.
I recently stumbled upon a radio interview of Kid Rock. He was talking about the whole shooting "Trans" beer cans and how he wasn't proud of that. He was all, no I'm not proud of myself. I've lost myself in all this, like I'm watching myself on the outside. He said somehow he'd become a parody of who he was. I talked about how sad it was that his legacy, everything he worked for, everything he's achieved, he'll be remembered for shooting beer cans. It was incredibly sad. I see him, and Scott Bayou, and Rosanne Barr, and f*ckin Deuce Bigalow....and I get it. Their star was fading, no one was listening to them, they lost their voice within their worlds. Has anyone EVER cared what Deuce Bigalow had to say? But suddenly they have people hanging off their every word, they are getting flown all over to place for special appearances. They are getting invited to pod casts of people half their age. They are constantly in the news. The idea that Deuce Bigalow was asked his opinion on the female athletes of the 2024 Olympics and their gender is insane ...and all he had to do was be a monster. All they have to do is say what they think these people want to hear and they have the relevance they have been starving for since it was lost so long ago. They've sold themselves to the Devil for a second sadder taste of fame. Its so sad and it'll be so fleeting. And in 6 months, everyone will go back to not giving a flyin f*ck what Kid Rock thinks about anything. I feel like losing their fame a second time, and to such a tasteless group, will be all the more devastating, and I'm living for it.
22:27 dang. that letter brought tears to my eyes. that's very powerful. what a deep shame how she ended up. and a reminder no one is immune to becoming a pos under the right circumstance
What happened to her? Really. She went from a true progressive to an actual fascist. Did she get long COVID? (It affects the brain.) Its one of the single biggest mysteries of my life.
Nothing to do with Post Covid Syndrome. Roseanne Barr had a Traumatic Brain Injury as a child, she was diagnosed with DID as a result of serious abuse she suffered throughout her childhood
@alicemorrison1518 I wouldn't doubt that one single bit. I personally know a man who'd had a very similar injury. It changed his personality. Let's sum it up by saying he now believes the earth is flat. I kid you not. If I could upvote you a 1000 times, I would. I hadn't heard about Roseanne's injury. Thank you for sharing.
I'd just like to point out that even if the woman who had the muslim brotherhood comment directed her was white like Roseanne that she was, that would still be racist. She'd pretty much have been saying, "This white person doesn't have stereotypical white features, and that is bad!" Like the one drop rule during the pre civil war era. It kind of reminds me of how a certain kind of person would be treated growing up in Mormon Utah.....ya know.....like a white person who is also Jewish?
Jeez that letter to her children,i actually started crying. The absolutely horrific relationship between a woman and her unwanted children despite her intrinsic love for them.
Having spoken with her occasionally when she was running for president, I'm completely shocked to see these clips of her comedy show. It was only 12 years ago. How could her values have changed so drastically in so short a time? She's unrecognizable. SMH.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 simply put traumatic brain injury (TBI) can cause paranoia, which is a rare but serious symptom of psychosis. Psychosis is a group of thought disorders that can cause a person to lose touch with reality. Paranoia is often seen during post-traumatic amnesia, and in people who are confused or disoriented. Symptoms of paranoia include: Believing you are under threat, Believing someone is trying to sabotage you, Believing loved ones are lying, and Becoming hostile or sarcastic.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426That's exactly how. Because he brain is so complex TBI can cause complete changes in personality and mental health issues. Worse still, the ways we have to treat the symptoms sometimes don't work the same way when it's caused by TBI. We don't have a full understanding of it from a scientific standpoint but it's something that's being increasingly studied for decades now. It's interesting stuff but more complicated that our current understanding unfortunately because there's not much that can be done for someone like Roseanne, who has enablers around her and is functioning well enough that she can make her own medical decisions. Not that one should lose that right easily of course; it just puts her in a situation where she's likely to continue pushing away those that actually love her (like her kids) because she truly sees nothing wrong with her behavior.
Traumatic brain injuries are a hell of a thing. The person looks the same on the outside but they are fundamentally changed. My friend's husband suffered one when he slipped on ice getting out of a work truck and hit the back of his head on the stairs, now he's short-tempered and prone to violence. They used to be best friends but now they're talking about divorce. I hope we learn enough about the brain to be able to heal TBIs one day 😔
I just found out recently that she has a diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder, and I can’t help but wonder what impact that might have had on her seeming to express entirely different views in her book and stand up special
I was waiting to find someone mentioning this! It absolutely does seem completely relevant; each alter is their own person, and can have radically different views. My guess is that the host (primary alter that’s in the control seat most often) changed for some reason between then and now, and they seem to be reactionary and paranoid, leading to the presentation we see today
As someone with D.I.D, who has had multiple TBIs turning out like this, has gotta be my biggest fear. It is truly so horribly tragic to see. Stay in therapy and take your meds! That's my motto lol.
THANK you for "Sex Pistols are the One Direction of Punk." I enjoyed the punk with training wheels they gave my 15 year old self to start to learn from, but now it amuses me to point out that they were a boy-band handpicked by a fashion designer to model clothes from his girlfriend's designer boutique.
Oh hell yeah! I've also been thinking about her since the last video. My mom refused to turn off Roseanne while she was giving birth to me and often blamed my sarcasm on the fact. This whole thing has been hard on her. I loved the Shelly Long joke! Thank you for another banger, keep it up, Queen!
A long time ago in probably 2006 I took mushrooms and watched a Rosanne marathon and laughed hysterically all by myself on my floor for hours. This new Rosanne scares me. I also hate “The Connors” without her it’s dumb and neutered.
I'm not even a Roseann fan, I'm too young and French-Canadian for that, but this makes me sad as a feminist. Just seeing how someone who used to get it can stray so far into right wing nonsense and go against her own previous morals... it's pretty depressing
This is the arc. They trap white women in it. They try to reward us more and more over time for drifting rightward. It's so scary. I don't want to be trapped in it.
It’s time to come clean about Rosanne, who from the time She became successful was a totally narcissistic bully and creep. All her left, humanist politics were pure phony posturing. Because the first show (before She ruined it, remember? John Goodman was actually killed off by the time Ms working class won the lottery) was so winning for a time, people forget what a tiresome creep She became before the public had had enough (a series of follow up shows She did quickly bombed) Left progressive types are idealistic people, nothing wrong with that. But it seems to leave them vulnerable to hustlers like Rosanne, Russell Brand, etc. Find a copy of Rosanne’s sisters book, get the real story, and move on. There are plenty of women who deserve your support.
Sadly there seems to be something about people getting older, actually reminds me of a joke from another comedian (who deserved to be cancelled) Bill Cosby Himself, Like old people trying to get into heaven. My mother in law didn't go to church and her 3rd husband was very new age if spiritual at all, now that they're retired and having health problems they watch church stuff several times a week (stopped going to them after covid) and have special bibles it's disturbing oh and at holidays we get to hear how disgusting a free streaming network is because they show gay couples in commercials. I barely made it through Christmas worked Easter on purpose. All i know to do is stay open minded myself and be the kind of adult I would have gone to and felt safe.😊
I worry about that & how much control we have bc "rigid thinking" is a quality of an aging brain & is most pronounced if there's a neurological or other medical problem that affects perception or behaviour. My mom & I used to enjoy vintage Roseanne together & it was a catalyst for so many conversations when I was a kid, my Mom used to be quite progressive. Like current Roseanne, she's somehow lost so much empathy for others unless she likes them (even parasocially) & she's drifted so far into rightwing politics she's started to say things she washed my mouth out with soap for saying when I was a kid who didn't know what those words even were (I was conned by some older kids, they thought it'd be funny to teach a younger kid all the bad words while lying about what they meant). Now she just says them like she's saying any normal word. It's horrifying. My Mom's experienced racial prejudice + abuse but she says the same sh1t now. Like you, it happening to me is a huge fear, partly bc I don't understand what happened to the woman who taught me my progressive values.
this actually hurt to watch jeeeeez. that book is hauntingly and beautifully written and i wish i could read it without knowing yet not understanding the woman rosanne has become. i genuinely hope she gets help. i think she brought this all on herself, and has had serious non-political issues likely caused by a response to trauma in the past, but i still think she deserves medical help and that nobody should have to have such a severe mental decline. i can't even think she grifted or logically changed her views, and i am someone who thinks 99% of right swings are grifts, and the rest are people making their own terrible decisions. but, genuinely, that book was written with the insight and intelligence of someone who would not be capable of then turning around to right wing nonsense. no amount of 'grift' could ever explain that radical of a shift or the difference in how she speaks or behaves now. i firmly believe something's deeply wrong in her brain and that she needs psychiatric support, not stand-up specials. nothing other than severe untreated mental illness could have caused this radical of a change in personhood, regardless of whether she believes herself to be correct or to be grifting.
I'm not USAmerican, so I had never heard of her before and seeing the shift between the book and the special is wild. The book passages you read were really interesting and it is always a shame to see someone lose their roots and beliefs like that, especially when class treason is involved lmao
There's so much going on here, and it's really helpful to have an insightful, compassionate perspective on what is unarguably a turn for the hateful on Barr's part. Artists are humans, and keeping that at the forefront of our minds can be a challenge. You continue to rock. (as an inconsequential aside: The reading glasses are making me Feel Things. Yes to 'saucy librarian' Coke Francis)
Let’s not forget that Roseanne was the victim of the false memories movement, that made her believe her parents sexually molested her and she developed 12 personalities to escape the horror in her head. Thank goodness, that movement was run out of the country in the 1990-2005 by my husband and a great attorney, both who still believed in standards among psychiatrists, psychologists and other self- identified therapists.
Aren’t youtube algorithms sometimes just astonishing. You popped up randomly (ooh err missus) and I had to subscribe. I like the cut of your jib, ma’am.
“Right wing court jester.” Having come of adulthood watching her stand up and loving her for her hilarious and endearing take on womanhood, motherhood, all the things that a woman contends with- it was so difficult to listen to her current material. The only thought I could muster was, “What happened to her? What happened to that honest, enlightened, bright, funny soul?” Of course, it was obvious that her humor was covering her pain, but it seemed she had tamed the dragon and made it her bitch. I admired her for it all the more. But, now? I would pity the train wreck she’s become but she’s too rich for that. I reserve my feelings for the women still standing and fighting while working for minimum wage. Roseanne, Girl, the queen is dead. Long live the Queen. Queen Coke Francis, that is.
@@chocolateminty AWOMEN!!!!!! (Instead of amen, it felt poignant lol) dang this is poetry tho. You should think about writing! In any way. You’re so good at putting your thoughts to the page! Very clear and concise while still sounding so beautiful and melancholic
So, albeit I don’t believe gender should be looked at strictly through a binary lens, I also think saying “a woman/man is anyone who says they are a woman/man” isn’t clarifying and leads to more problems than solutions. If we don’t have some sort of general definition or understanding of what these words mean, then that’s how female women are abused and exploited AND being trans loses its meaning. Like the man who committed sexual assault then 3 weeks before his sentencing said he was trans and was then put in a women’s prison. I know I’ve certainly been able to sense the womanhood in the trans women I’ve met. Females are a protected class for a reason and there has to be some kind of criteria. It would be nuanced and based in energy and essence, but there needs to be some sort of clarification or being a woman/ being a man means nothing. Don’t you think?
I honestly believe it’s just as simple as a boomer who doesn’t understand or relate to the current landscape. Plus, she was out of practice and has experienced the natural consequences of aging. I still like Roseanne. She’s a special soul. Even though that stand up was terrible, I hear her speak in more intimate settings and I can still sense her spark. Her ever enduring confidence is truly a wonder to behold. I really feel like we should all be gentler with the boomers. The world has changed so dramatically and they’re a product of their upbringing, of which no one can change. They were collectively indoctrinated more severely than any other generation alive today and, for the most part, they’ve done their best to better understand themselves and others and I think we should try and give them a bit more credit for their efforts… even if they don’t give us ours lol. What’s that saying about old dogs and new tricks… maybe we should try to make them a little more comfortable until they pass on. Especially because that day is coming pretty soon. Then the eldest will be gen Xers. That oughta be fun lol
@@TheReluctantVloggereh not really, gender is bullshit at the end of the day anyway.
They really screwed her over , about her Rosanne show .. and I think this is her way of getting revenge
Didn't Roseanne specifically NOT hit her kids on her show, and had a whole episode where she hit her son out of frustration and realized she was just reenacting her own trauma and promised to never do it again? Am I misremembering???
The writers wrote the episodes, not Roseanne. She just played a fictional character.
@facthunt2facthunt245 Agreed.
You're not crazy it was definitely a thing.
And regardless of whether she wrote it or not, it was probably one of her most earnest and heartfelt acting moments on the show. Definitely a weird 180 to make.
@@facthunt2facthunt245She wasn’t just an actor on the show. She had a say in the writing and production.
@@elainehelms4076 Oh yeah she did, I still remember some of the fights she had with the writers not following her vision, back in the late 80's thru the early 90's. That show had more turnover than the average 7-Eleven store.
Roseanne complaining that her kids don't want to come around anymore and then advocating for beating kids in the same special... I truly hope they were raised in a better environment than that implies, but I don't blame them for not wanting to attend her shows either way if that's the kind of content they can expect to hear
It’s a joke?
@@justsaying.8017
Have you watched the special? There are hardly any jokes in it. 97% of it is just unhinged ranting about "there's 5G in the vaccines", "kids these days" and "Q is right". The crowd is uncomfortably silent throughout most of it. It's like watching someone you love slipping into psychosis right in front of your eyes, it's truly sad.
@@justsaying.8017 Like I said, I hope so! But I simply would have no interest in attending a comedy show were my own mom is talking about how she, at the MOST charitable interpretation, should have beaten me
She was sadly a parent in a time when beating kids was considered acceptable punishment so long as they weren't crippled by the 'discipline'. I know a lot of parents who engaged in it who now regret it because they understand the studies that show it worsens children's behavior and resources now exist for non-physical disciplinary techniques. But there's some people who cling to the 'I was beaten as a kid and I'm fine' mantra even while they prove they're not fine and their kids refuse to speak to them for having done it to them.
So she likely did it because of the time. Were she a better person/the same person she seemed to have been in the 90s, she might realize what a mistake it had been and her kids would forgive her for it. But she's not.
@@prettyevil6662000Beating children wasn’t as acceptable as people think it was back then.
Nothing is worse than an " ex liberal"
Even an “ex-person”?
Righwingers will claim that these are the people that have "finally woken up"
Unless they’re a leftist…
@@wjzav1971 when they are in fact the ones who have willingly blinded themselves bc they have the privilege to do so
I didn't watch your whole video, but I will say: There is a clip of a web series Roseanne did with Jackie Beat where they start talking about gender and Roseanne literally refers to the gender binary as anti-feminist bullshit. The fact that she's gone from that to making "my pronouns are kiss my ass" jokes breaks my heart.
Jesus fuckin christ...I don't think anyone could illustrate her fall in a more painfully clear light than that. Damn.
@@burninsherman1037 It's really sad because she and Jackie were such close friends that Roseanne arranged for Jackie to open for her in Vegas for BIG MONEY, *way more* than an opener would expect in that gig, and Jackie has always given her credit for boosting her profile and career. And now Roseanne has her blocked on all socials and doesn't acknowledge that she exists, basically. :\
@@beatnickblanket reactionary politics are a fucking psychological poison, man.
@@beatnickblanketShe's *not* a well woman.
Jackie really never needed Riseanne. She's a great character actor. She was in Desperately Seeking Susan and she was hilarious.
Her book Roseannearchy from 2011 is a wild read, too. It's from when she was running for president as the Peace and Freedom Party candidate, and openly called herself a socialist. Amazing how her politics did a complete reversal in less than five years.
The perverse Trump affect...
It's insane. She must've had a mental break or suffered a brain injury or a combination of that and brainwashing. She completely changed.
I think it is actually much easier to turn a left-winger motivated by conspiracy theories or a superficial desire to look like a contrarian/radical than it is to get them to instead base their politics in genuine progressive/left values and critical thinking.
@@tylerkochman1007 the right acting like the anti government anti corporate anti censorship group definitely tricked alot of people. And they sacrificed the rest of their beliefs for that.
@@tylerkochman1007 agreed, reactionaries are reactionaries unfortunately. I say this as a communist so i'm not saying all radical politics are bad. But if you don't fully understand why you are dedicated to the politics you profess, it's easy to change your mind lol.
As a lower-class 40 something yr old white woman, everything you quoted from the book resonates with me so much. I too, have been called ‘the exception’ and originally took it as a compliment. I have had some of these thoughts, I hate all the things she used to hate, support the things she used to support, and that letter felt very real. Jeezus, I just hope my brain doesn’t decay so much that I ever turn into whatever it is she’s become. New fear: unlocked.
@HarryDirtay damnit... But I like motorcycles. Sigh, life is no fun sometimes.
O so you were and are a pick me girl? Trust me most guys just use this line.....it doesn't actually mean you were somehow so exceptional or soooo different 🙄🤣😂
@@6Haunted-Days Bro, I wasn’t a pick me girl. I was a tomboy who dated women. I just had guy friends who told me I was ‘different’ and being young and insecure at the time, it made me feel good.
I just hadn’t put it together yet that what felt like a compliment was actually a way to denigrate others and women in general. So, yeah, kinda gross actually. At no point did I suggest I really am ‘sooo exceptional’. Only that it felt like a compliment when I was younger.
Like, Damn son, get some reading comprehension and understand that not everyone fits into your neat little internet categories
i'm a 40-something rock and roll musician/composer etc, i play with and write for kids only a little more than half my age, and the way i see it, the key to avoid becoming the thing we spent our lives fighting is to accept our own loss of relevance gracefully. The world moves on whether we come along or not, so our choices will never include stopping that evolution, no matter how new or scary or unfamiliar it is. Our options are to help the kids make the world into the one they want, or to get the hell out of the way.
@@6Haunted-Days Gross comment. Be nice to people. Says a lot about who you are.
“the Sex Pistols are the One Direction of punk” has to be the greatest quotes on music history
And very accurate.
I love that YT video where the question is "who's more punk, SP or Chumbawamba? You get 1 guess as to who won...
Yeah, back in my day, we called them the Backstreet Boys of punk.
@@ItcouldbebunniesIn fairness, Chumbawamba are more punk than most bands. The Pistols didn't stand a chance.
@@jamesoblivion No joke, who is more punk, the corpo band made of dudes who hate eachother? Or the Anarcho-punk band made up of individuals who get back up again when they get knocked down?
I hated my voice as a kid growing up and people hated how out spoken and zero filter I was. Roseanne was an amazing figure for a child like me, especially what she stood for. Crazy the flip.. she’s unrecognizable now
As a mom-giving birth and raising kids is hard.Don't get me wrong-love my kids and I am trying hard to raise them to make the world a better place, but it's hard. I can't speak for the trans-women experience because it is not mine but my perception is that it is hard too. Their transition does not take away from my motherhood nor femininity.
Yup. No trans woman is threatening me, as a cis-woman who has had two children, with "invading" my spaces where I feel safest - nor taking away my language if I talk about myself breastfeeding or being a woman giving birth. I'm not going to gatekeep terms used like chest feeding or birth giver - and if using those in certain/any contexts can recognise and celebrate inclusivity then why would I not?
I get that it might be hard for people learning about this, I was once learning too (and continue to do so). Ignorance can be remedied, though - denialism and even wilful ignorance seem to be almost impossible to address with those happy to embrace them.
People can adapt and it isn't/shouldn't be so effing hard if you are open to learn.
Giving birth and raising kids is hard. Okay, why do it then? LOL
@@facthunt2facthunt245 because as much as it can be hard, I still wouldn't change it for anything. "LOL"
@@facthunt2facthunt245No-one fully understands how hard it is until they experience it. If you are parenting to the best of your ability, it stretches you to the extremes of your strength and endurance. You find resources in yourself that you never knew you had. You also discover your limitations. You experience a love for your child that is like no other love you have felt before. Children can enrich a person's life more than they can imagine, until they experience it too. And parental instinct and desire to have a baby is powerful in many people.
@facthunt2facthunt245 What a weird question?
Why do things when they're hard? Because some hard things end with rewards. And for some, seeing their children learn, succeed and be happy is a great reward.
Not a universal experience, of course.
But for some, it's worth it
I honestly believe that the Roseanne Barr we see today is a skin walker. There's just no way that this woman is the same Roseanne of the 90's.
Her and Chappelle
She’s gone south, totally lost it mentally.
time goes on, people change, sometimes for the worse
I also think people have a tendency to get more close minded and reluctant to change as they age.
Trying to deny the fact that they are aging into an unfamiliar world, they desperately cling to tradition and normalcy, disparaging any progress they can't understand.
Not all old white people can be as slay as Betty White, god rest her soul.
Way….people change.
I disagree with the statement tht if you given birth you can make fun of your kids I think it’s okay if you have consent from the kids but giving birth doesn’t automatically make it okay to be a dick to your kid
So true. If people chose to have kids and then regret it, that's on the parents and not the kids' fault. It doesn't give them the right to be cruel to their kids.
I have three adult kids started as a 17 year old idiot having my first. I have gotten permission from them if I ever choose to run stand up again to tell their goofy growing up stories never having asked them or said I wanted to try stand up again.
What I would never do is insult them as adults. Completely different from telling goofy stories of them growing up and well being kids , kids are funny.
I couldn’t even fathom ever saying anything close to that about my children. Also , Why do so many parents not understand that the goal of being a good parent is to raise children who think for themselves and not try to create clones of yourself. All of my kids vary in religious stance , dating preferences and to raise three completely individual humans is still my crowning achievement but it will never be my only achievement. I would never degrade anyone ( besides myself at times ) shows a lack of creativity to me.
Rosanne f’d herself and to remain relevant had to pander to the people who weren’t completely blindsided by her “ ambien induced “ tweet. iMO
She could have stayed away for a while grew a bit. I think we kind of neglected to see she didn’t want to grow as a person from jump. My grandma used to to say you have to be responsible but you don’t have to be mature.
This is a lack of both to me.
Thank you for saying this.
[● Yes, exactly! If the kid thinks it's funny, then go ahead and joke about it, but there's a fine line between jokes and bullying. If you bully your kid, you're going to ruin them as a human down the line later in life. Yes, tell jokes, be funny, have fun, but know when to draw the line. Your kid relies on you to help them and care for them, not treat them like a punchline.]
Who said "be a dick" to them?
My dad used to hate Roseanne because she sang the national anthem badly. Fast forward a couple decades, he literally banned ABC from his television (for a few days) because they fired Roseanne.
Good point, never thought of that
Sucks your dad is fine with Roseanne's anti-Black racism!
@HarryDirtay I can barely look at the man after he sold out his values and revealed his hypocrisy.
@HarryDirtay considering the lyrics are set to an old drinking song tune, it's frankly totally accurate to miss notes 😂
@HarryDirtay apologies if you're old enough to remember, but for those who aren't, she sang it deliberately badly at a baseball game, grabbed her crotch at the end, and spat on the ground. Conservatives went apesquat for weeks. She later said she was acting like a baseball player adjusting himself, but I dunno. It was all bizarre.
I want to cry...
I feel so bad for her, what happened? My biggest fear is becoming a one-bit bitter shell of my former self when I get old and world -wearied 😢
Keep following your passions and it will be impossible for you to become bitter. Bitterness only happens when you close your heart and remain stuck.
You won't. You have to keep love and hope and compassion in your heart. Try to be understanding to people. You won't accidentally wake up one day like her. It takes a series of bad choices every day for years. Those people take pride in being hateful and bitter. It's no accident.
It’s her traumatic brain injury.
@@ursulae2390The ambien probably didn't help on top of that. Not saying it caused it, but it definitely can mess people up and having TBI can interact with how medication that affects the brain works.
refuse and resist :)
RIP Shelley Duvall 🕊️
My son told me yesterday, we’re massive Kubrick fans and Shelly was so perfect in her roles such a unique’type’ ❤
@@CRUNCH-w9e This is how I found out. I'm a huge Altman fan plus I loved Duvall's fairy tale series & unironically I love Popeye the movie. Obv she was great in The Shining, but she would've been great in that without being tortured by the director + co-star. Massive soft spot for Shelley & I hope she journeys well.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426beautifully put.
Rip to a true scream queen
Ok, I have to take issue with one thing here. Apparently you don't realize how destructive to your self-esteem and mental health is being bullied by your parent. Just bc someone gave birth to you doesn't make you their property and absolutely gives no right to make fun of you.
Preach derrek, this is an good comment.
thank you for this!! children don't have the choice of being brought into this world and it shouldn't be held over their heads and used to justify bullying. i empathize with having a difficult pregnancy or labor but it's never excuse to make fun of your child. 😭💀
Yall are dramatic lol. Abuse isn't okay but mocking your kids a few times isn't abuse.
I think that was one of those offensive jokes
Yeah
Hearing thise passages juxtaposed by her modern "comedy" is shocking.
I read her book way back when it was published, and liked her stand up back then too. It's been absolutely shocking to see this change in her. I can't believe it.
@@sharimeline3077 She used to be heroic, & she was so electric + talented + raw. It's so painful bc my Mom went on a similar trajectory & I'm trying to step her back from the rightwing racist conspiracy theories. My former 2nd Wave Feminist Mom, who hates unions now tho they protected her job multiple times (we have chronic illness in the family), who split from my Dad partly bc he was a chauvinist, who used to welcome my friends whose conservative parents kicked them out, who taught me progressive values...that person now talks about "gender ideology", "bankers cabals", etc etc etc pick a talking point. It's just so sad & upsetting.
Yes, this is perfect! Well said. I'm a bit older, and I remember the old, trailblazing, femist Roseanne. I am completely perplexed at the person who babbles before me on Fox. What in the fucking hell happened?! You put the whole thing in context for the younger folks who wouldn't know who she was years ago. But I remember. She changed television. She presented the poor, working-class guy. You didn't see that on sitcoms before her. And female comedians weren't brutally honest and in your face like she was. She was unique. I don't know who this person is anymore. And I don't want to know.
"We are enemies. We are foes."
If anyone wants more context, a channel/creator called José with a blue jay pfp looks at the entire original series plus start of the reunion, up until the derailment. I found so many things I had forgotten were in this video or in José's so if anyone wants to make this a double feature on Roseanne I urge people to check it out.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426Jose’s retrospective on Roseanne is brilliant.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426I don’t find him. What’s the channel name? Thanks!
@@juniemoon1528 José (a very well known excellent youtuber) is easy to find immediately under just "José",
or JoséTube/JoséBird.
I honestly could hardly believe how good those passages from Roseanne's book were. While watching the video I looked it up on amazon and discovered she wrote a second book five years later, "My Lives." Based on the description from the Booklist review, it sounds like the Roseanne we know today -- spiteful, contradictory, barely coherent -- could be seen already in that book in 1994. The review states explicitly: "a different Roseanne must have written this book." I don't know much about her, but I can imagine that the pressures of Hollywood fame and money intersecting with whatever emotional baggage a person like Roseanne carries from a messed-up childhood would be the only possible explanation for what she's become.
Awesome video. I'm glad to see a deeper, sympathetic examination of the Roseanne so many people thought she was. Thanks.
And by the way, if you're interested in working-class leftism that resonates with Roseanne's old philosophy, I recommend Joe Bageant's book Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War. Bageant was a brilliant writer, but no one seems to talk about him any more.
"People will always go where the love is, regardless of who's giving that love"
Yes! This needs to be said so much more
@HarryDirtay i think they meant the audience
The problem with this sentiment is how many people only accept love in the form of enabling.
"love"
It seems that some feminist women get so frustrated, hurt and hopeless, they do a 180 without noticing and think they're being edgy or "just honest" or are protecting women's rights and interests. Looking at you, Joanne.
this is brain tumour behaviour... or maybe i'm just coping
sadly you’re probably right 😔
She had a TBI which is no big deal but maybe she had another one since then?.. she reminds me of my dad 😢
@@GreenEyedDazzlerTBI's can be a big deal, depending on the severity. I am so sorry for the loss of the person your dad used to be. 💔 ❤️🩹
TBIs can be a VERY big deal. I work in mental health and the significant difficulty of treating someone with a TBI vs. someone, with the same mental health issues, without a TBI is incredibly different. It’s so difficult and often they have to be referred to a higher level of care.
She has DID; to me it’s clearly a difference of opinions between alters, and unfortunately the alter that’s fronting lately seems to be very reactionary and paranoid (the perfect combo for a right-wing pipeline entry)
She says she hasn’t changed, we all did…that’s something this video is a pretty incredible demonstration how that’s just not true
Roseanne giving her daughters grief carries with it the additional sting that she sent them to a troubled teen gulag in Idaho that tr@f!ked children and committed malpractice on a minute by minute basis. Class act. I hope her kids go no contact.
I doubt you will ever see this, but I really hope you do. Roseanne is the only celebrity I know who openly shares my DID diagnosis. I'm seeing a lot of people saying "This seems like a totally different person," and I think it's important to say considering her diagnosis it very well may be. Please note that I am not trying to excuse her behavior, especially because this is clearly not the "healthy multiplicity" we strive for in treatment. Based on interviews she's given about her DID (at the time called multiple personality disorder) it seems to me she may have internalized some of the opinions of her horrific abusers, potentially as alters. This is extremely common for people with DID, it's referred to as an introject. Alters have drastically different opinions and feelings, political and otherwise.
I grew up watching Rosanne every day. It was my comfort show through reruns in the 2000s. Having grown up and received my own DID diagnosis, finding out this is how she has wound up is utterly heartbreaking. I wanted to comment this just to inject some further understanding of why she might be acting this way and seems so drastically different. I find this kind of mental illness is often completely erased in many spaces, if not mocked on it's face, so I figured I'd bring it up. Utterly tragic. I might delete this comment, but TLDR the reason she doesn't seem like "herself" is probably because she's multiple people, she has dissociative identity disorder.
don’t delete this, you’re correct
@@queencokefrancis tysm!!! love your content keep doing what youre doing
I didn’t realize she had DID!! I wonder if the “new Roseanne” is just a new system host with some obviously horrible views
Thank you, this was valuable insight, thank you so much
@@queencokefrancis I LOVE your videos, I just recently found your channel, and I'm grateful. Thank you!
P.S. Kamala Harris's name is pronounced, Comma La.
As a gay man who lived through the aid's era at it's worst l can't believe how empathetic and compassionate that quote was from her book was . It is hard to believe this came from the hateful disillusioned soul who is now Roseanne Barr .
I'm only about half way through. I almost didn't watch, because I knew I would be sad remembering who Roseanne used to be and what a profound impact she had.
Speaking as a birth giver, my first son's birth was truly traumatic. I remember being on the table and looking at the medical staff who were not doing anything anymore but watching me. Basically to call it when I had no energy left and they would start a c section. I delivered my son vaginally. In that moment I thought, "oh, this is why women go crazy."
I knew if I didn't get him out we might both die and these people could only watch. I think more people should be told that birth is close to experiencing death. Even when everyone comes out of it alive
her describing giving birth like That, & then mocking ppl upset about losing abortion rights..... ummmmm ok. right.
The UA-camr Jose has a really great video combing over the original Roseanne show and all the subtly leftist commentary found within it. Which makes her current iteration even more baffling. My personal theory is the old brain injury returning combined with her getting older, but maybe she just became the thing she sought to make fun of.
Oh I wish I'd seen this before posting something similar but I hope people go see that too --- will be an excellent double feature with this video.
Drugs and alcohol. Didn’t she meet hubby #2 in rehab?
And a dash of lead poisoning...
That was a great video!
I am a 60 yr old female with two children.
One is a lesbian and one identifies as fluid.
I have never had any issues with either. I adore their partners and I'm so happy that they found themselves early in life. I am still learning about the lifestyle and it's shows like yours that are helping me see better. Btw great wig!!
When you said johnny rotten i thought you ment Robbie rotten from lazy town and I was just like “wait did I miss something what did he do?!?”
I was a young teen when she was starting to become famous for her stand-up, and watching her become this parody of herself is literally heartbreaking😢
I don't want to sound old but I read "My Life as a Woman" in the 90s at about 13, the absolute wrong demographic, but it hit me in important ways because I didn't have a real mom, let alone a feminist mom.
Seeing her now is like losing another mother figure
OMFG! I’m watching this video 2 months later and Shelly passed yesterday. I was not expecting the reference. O____o
may she rest in power ❤️
I literally wrote a thesis referencing Roseanne as a trailblazer in the same tradition as Lucy and Whoopi. Twenty years ago I said comedy fans were blessed with more talent available because of the room these women opened for the future.
wait who is lucy please?
why have kids you need to roast on your comedy special...actually why have kids at all then? i would dissagree that you have some kind of right to talk shit about your kids since you birthed them and went through labor. they didn't choose, so just don't have the kids then.
as a childless person I fully agree but I also know it sucks to have kids and the human race depends on people doing it
@@queencokefrancis word. but i know i'd be pissed if she was my mom and she mentioned me in her set though.
As a parent, this is 100% a childless take. It’s almost an anti-natal take tbh. Stop sharing it😂
@@HarringtonsApocy me and my mom are able to joke with each other about basically anything you were giving me vibes that your kids don’t really have relationship with you. Yes I have been a parent before you say that I am child free.
@@HarringtonsApocy As someone who had parents that would make me feel like dogshit for existing.. No. Don't bully your kids unless they're okay with being in on the joke. There's a reason kids go no contact.
I clicked on this video because I saw the thumbnail and was like "oh that wig ate". And now I'm sitting here mourning the loss of the compassionate, intelligent, insightful woman who wrote that book and then became a much different person. The emotional WHIPLASH I'VE GONE THROUGH.
There is a saying, ‘age gracefully’, meaning that one becomes more empathetic, more wise, more kind, patient, cultured and accepting as one ages.
If I think about what could describe the opposite of this saying, I think of Rosanne. ‘Disgracefully aging’
birth is terrifying, so glad im getting a hysterectomy asap
That is very smart young lady!
My mid twenties son is talking vasectomy. And I will support his decision. Please make sure your voter registration is still good! The R’s have been purging voter logs. And vote blue no matter who!!!
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My obgyn made me do Lupron for 6 months first but I will be getting one this year after waiting so long!
I can't imagine doing something that invasive
@@msjkramey having a baby is also pretty invasive! And way more risky than a hysterectomy.
@ajulrich1072 I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from deciding what's best for them. I just don't think I could go under the knife like that. I'd rather just take the pill and use a barrier method
The last time I had to go under was for an endoscopy, and that was hardly what you'd call invasive, though it did require an anesthesiologist to knock me out. That was enough to send me into a panic for months waiting for my appointment
You said Megyn Kelly and my brain made that into Megan Mullally and I nearly had a heart attack.
I just don’t understand how someone changes like that so drastically…maybe getting super rich and the power it brings kind of changes you?
It can....it could... but it probably just reveals the inner person they actually are
@@justaurora01 Robert Caro said that famous quote: "Power reveals" [who they always were/what they wanted to do with that power].
There's some academic research around this & fr yes it actually appears being wealthy does rewire your brain & make you a more self-centred + self-justifying person who is more willing to harm others. If you don't mind reading academic literature the papers are fascinating & go across disciplines.
Also really rich people tend to just tell themselves + others that they are merely "comfortable". If someone says they are comfortable yeah they are rich as hell.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 rover caro may have said his quote but he didn't say mine, I'm not tryna press buttons....just saying.
It's worth noting that she has had TBI and at her age things like dementia are of concern even without TBI (there's and increased risk with TBI). TBI can also lead to complications in medications and substances that effect the brain so there are countless potential factors at play beyond what the public does know.
None of this is being said to excuse her abhorrent behavior to be clear. Just wanted to add the context for those genuinely wondering what changed. I'm sure some of this is complicated by being a famous and wealthy person because it's a lot easier for her to find people that enable any maladaptive behaviors that contribute to whatever the issue is as well.
All around I think it's pretty likely that something actually went wrong in her brain simply because of the complete change in her personality after decades of being against what she's now becoming more of as it compounds.
I completely agree with everyone: mocking your kids, making fun of them is horrible. My entire childhood i was belittled by my parents. I can still hear them calling me obnoxious in my mind. I was wierd. Too sensitive. Ect
All that being said, i don't think queen c.f. was being literal with their comment. Pretty sure it was hyperboly
"how is this the same goddam person???"---my thoughts exactly. how DOES on swing a 180 on literally everything they stood for at one point? roseanne is gross these days.
I'm guessing it's the progressive traumatic brain injury from a car crash at the age of 17. Surprised no one mentioned it. According to Michael Moore, who says he knew her for 25 years, it took her months to recover.
Rosanne Bar is a confusing and now polarising figure. Even in the reboot series ( what we saw of it) she clearly took a stand against racism, supported women and highlighted how toxic masculinity has no place in her family or community …now she is telling men to tell their female partners to sit down, shut up and make a sandwich? I don’t see Rosanne responding well to anyone telling her to sit down and shut up…wtaf happened.?????
Conspiracy theory: Republicans are constantly running social experiments and there’s a huge paycheque for celebrity grifters to endorse certain ideas, which is why things like this happen.
Feeling a bit special! 💖
This put into perspective my complicated feelings about Roseanne. Thanks Queen.
This video is such comedy in itself, way funnier than her standup. Well done! The ambien tweet part compared with the excerpt about not wanting to take drugs because if you do you can blame your actions on it 😂
This shit made me cry. I watched Roseanne growing up. I loved that show, I loved her comedy, and I loved her for years after. The fact that she turned so quickly for adoration and money really crushed my spirit.
“Jesus Christ on a tiny bike” is the best thing I’ve heard all month lmaooo 😂😂
I recently stumbled upon a radio interview of Kid Rock. He was talking about the whole shooting "Trans" beer cans and how he wasn't proud of that. He was all, no I'm not proud of myself. I've lost myself in all this, like I'm watching myself on the outside. He said somehow he'd become a parody of who he was. I talked about how sad it was that his legacy, everything he worked for, everything he's achieved, he'll be remembered for shooting beer cans. It was incredibly sad. I see him, and Scott Bayou, and Rosanne Barr, and f*ckin Deuce Bigalow....and I get it. Their star was fading, no one was listening to them, they lost their voice within their worlds. Has anyone EVER cared what Deuce Bigalow had to say? But suddenly they have people hanging off their every word, they are getting flown all over to place for special appearances. They are getting invited to pod casts of people half their age. They are constantly in the news. The idea that Deuce Bigalow was asked his opinion on the female athletes of the 2024 Olympics and their gender is insane ...and all he had to do was be a monster. All they have to do is say what they think these people want to hear and they have the relevance they have been starving for since it was lost so long ago. They've sold themselves to the Devil for a second sadder taste of fame. Its so sad and it'll be so fleeting. And in 6 months, everyone will go back to not giving a flyin f*ck what Kid Rock thinks about anything. I feel like losing their fame a second time, and to such a tasteless group, will be all the more devastating, and I'm living for it.
I felt like Roseanne Conner raised me and this has been so painful. I've read that book several times when I was a young mother
She has always reminded me of my real mom then and now 😢 that kool aid must taste real effing good
This is only the second video of yours I have watched, and you are already one of my favorite youtubers.
I have seen the excerpts from Roseanne's stand up and she is just so joyless. Like it's completely soul-less.
22:27 dang. that letter brought tears to my eyes. that's very powerful. what a deep shame how she ended up. and a reminder no one is immune to becoming a pos under the right circumstance
What happened to her? Really.
She went from a true progressive to an actual fascist.
Did she get long COVID? (It affects the brain.)
Its one of the single biggest mysteries of my life.
I remember someone saying that it all started around the time she remarried, but I personally haven't kept tabs on her throughout the years.
Follow the money. If someone veers hard right, it is almost always for money and/or power.
Nothing to do with Post Covid Syndrome. Roseanne Barr had a Traumatic Brain Injury as a child, she was diagnosed with DID as a result of serious abuse she suffered throughout her childhood
There is a rumor that she sustained a second Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) in a motorcycle accident.
@alicemorrison1518 I wouldn't doubt that one single bit.
I personally know a man who'd had a very similar injury. It changed his personality. Let's sum it up by saying he now believes the earth is flat. I kid you not.
If I could upvote you a 1000 times, I would. I hadn't heard about Roseanne's injury. Thank you for sharing.
14:54 While there is no singular definition for "what is a woman" There is a definition of what is a man. *A MISERABLE PILE OF SECRETS!!!*
UA-cam's auto-play sent me here, and it is by far the greatest thing the algorithm has ever accomplished.
I'd just like to point out that even if the woman who had the muslim brotherhood comment directed her was white like Roseanne that she was, that would still be racist. She'd pretty much have been saying, "This white person doesn't have stereotypical white features, and that is bad!" Like the one drop rule during the pre civil war era. It kind of reminds me of how a certain kind of person would be treated growing up in Mormon Utah.....ya know.....like a white person who is also Jewish?
"sex pistols are the one direction of punk" is a video topic i'd watch the shit out of.
Every line about her experience with patriarchy from the book I feel like it can't get more tragic and then she starts talking.
Hey parents who might read this: don’t make fun of your kids as much as you want, it’s actually not okay.
The despair of learning about someone, seeing their cool old self and immediately being crushed by their shit current self
Jeez that letter to her children,i actually started crying. The absolutely horrific relationship between a woman and her unwanted children despite her intrinsic love for them.
Just being angry doesn't make for good humor. Angry and loud makes you a meme. Something about shutting up and boomers.
What a great video essay! This is my first encounter with your work, but it won't be my last.
Thanks, from an old leftie in Appalachia. ❤
I cannot connect the Roseanne I grew up with and the Roseanne using “libt*rd” unironically in my head.
It’s fucking heartbreaking.
The wig alone has me sold on this being my new favorite channel. Great video!
Having spoken with her occasionally when she was running for president, I'm completely shocked to see these clips of her comedy show. It was only 12 years ago. How could her values have changed so drastically in so short a time? She's unrecognizable. SMH.
I think the book was written before her first born knew she was adopted and that's why she was kind of skimmed over.
The Roseanne had a traumatic brain injury years ago? That alone could explain the switch in political philosophy
How tho? There'd be different mechanisms affected depending on the area of damage & how they rewired.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 simply put traumatic brain injury (TBI) can cause paranoia, which is a rare but serious symptom of psychosis. Psychosis is a group of thought disorders that can cause a person to lose touch with reality. Paranoia is often seen during post-traumatic amnesia, and in people who are confused or disoriented. Symptoms of paranoia include: Believing you are under threat, Believing someone is trying to sabotage you, Believing loved ones are lying, and Becoming hostile or sarcastic.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426That's exactly how. Because he brain is so complex TBI can cause complete changes in personality and mental health issues. Worse still, the ways we have to treat the symptoms sometimes don't work the same way when it's caused by TBI. We don't have a full understanding of it from a scientific standpoint but it's something that's being increasingly studied for decades now.
It's interesting stuff but more complicated that our current understanding unfortunately because there's not much that can be done for someone like Roseanne, who has enablers around her and is functioning well enough that she can make her own medical decisions. Not that one should lose that right easily of course; it just puts her in a situation where she's likely to continue pushing away those that actually love her (like her kids) because she truly sees nothing wrong with her behavior.
Traumatic brain injuries are a hell of a thing. The person looks the same on the outside but they are fundamentally changed. My friend's husband suffered one when he slipped on ice getting out of a work truck and hit the back of his head on the stairs, now he's short-tempered and prone to violence. They used to be best friends but now they're talking about divorce. I hope we learn enough about the brain to be able to heal TBIs one day 😔
I just found out recently that she has a diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder, and I can’t help but wonder what impact that might have had on her seeming to express entirely different views in her book and stand up special
I was waiting to find someone mentioning this! It absolutely does seem completely relevant; each alter is their own person, and can have radically different views. My guess is that the host (primary alter that’s in the control seat most often) changed for some reason between then and now, and they seem to be reactionary and paranoid, leading to the presentation we see today
Not enough people realize Rosanne thinks aborted fetuses are part of McDonald’s burgers
Thank you for supporting the innocents of Palestine
Roseanne has completely destroyed herself with this right wing nonsense
This is such a great idea for a video and produced so well! Truly heart breaking to see how polar opposite she seems to be.
As someone with D.I.D, who has had multiple TBIs turning out like this, has gotta be my biggest fear. It is truly so horribly tragic to see. Stay in therapy and take your meds! That's my motto lol.
THANK you for "Sex Pistols are the One Direction of Punk." I enjoyed the punk with training wheels they gave my 15 year old self to start to learn from, but now it amuses me to point out that they were a boy-band handpicked by a fashion designer to model clothes from his girlfriend's designer boutique.
Money changes people
So does having an official DID diagnosis
Robert DeNiro. This is one man who I admire and respect, he’s an A list celebrity and he’s calling out the BS
What happened to her? She got rich and she forgot where she came from. (And Money shows who you REALLY are)
Oh hell yeah! I've also been thinking about her since the last video. My mom refused to turn off Roseanne while she was giving birth to me and often blamed my sarcasm on the fact. This whole thing has been hard on her. I loved the Shelly Long joke! Thank you for another banger, keep it up, Queen!
A long time ago in probably 2006 I took mushrooms and watched a Rosanne marathon and laughed hysterically all by myself on my floor for hours. This new Rosanne scares me. I also hate “The Connors” without her it’s dumb and neutered.
I'm not even a Roseann fan, I'm too young and French-Canadian for that, but this makes me sad as a feminist. Just seeing how someone who used to get it can stray so far into right wing nonsense and go against her own previous morals... it's pretty depressing
This is the arc. They trap white women in it. They try to reward us more and more over time for drifting rightward. It's so scary. I don't want to be trapped in it.
Listening to this, it feels like she’s extremely angry and bitter
It’s time to come clean about Rosanne, who from the time She became successful was a totally narcissistic bully and creep. All her left, humanist politics were pure phony posturing. Because the first show (before She ruined it, remember? John Goodman was actually killed off by the time Ms working class won the lottery) was so winning for a time, people forget what a tiresome creep She became before the public had had enough (a series of follow up shows She did quickly bombed) Left progressive types are idealistic people, nothing wrong with that. But it seems to leave them vulnerable to hustlers like Rosanne, Russell Brand, etc. Find a copy of Rosanne’s sisters book, get the real story, and move on. There are plenty of women who deserve your support.
Wow. She used to have such a beautiful heart. I wonder if it's the TBI? She's obviously not well.
Thank you for this video. ❤
It'll be the Ambien, I guess.
I think it’s more likely that it’s related to the fact that she has DID
Might I just say God Rest Shelley Duvall, she was a real one for sure. So elegant and kind natured. 5:38
Love Shelley Duvall ref! RIP Shelley
I liked Roseanne, the person.
I loved Roseanne, the character.
I despise Roseanne, the caricature.
As an adult child of someone I’ve had to disown, I’m not surprised AT ALL that her kids aren’t interested in engaging with her anymore.
Sadly there seems to be something about people getting older, actually reminds me of a joke from another comedian (who deserved to be cancelled) Bill Cosby Himself, Like old people trying to get into heaven. My mother in law didn't go to church and her 3rd husband was very new age if spiritual at all, now that they're retired and having health problems they watch church stuff several times a week (stopped going to them after covid) and have special bibles it's disturbing oh and at holidays we get to hear how disgusting a free streaming network is because they show gay couples in commercials. I barely made it through Christmas worked Easter on purpose. All i know to do is stay open minded myself and be the kind of adult I would have gone to and felt safe.😊
I worry about that & how much control we have bc "rigid thinking" is a quality of an aging brain & is most pronounced if there's a neurological or other medical problem that affects perception or behaviour. My mom & I used to enjoy vintage Roseanne together & it was a catalyst for so many conversations when I was a kid, my Mom used to be quite progressive. Like current Roseanne, she's somehow lost so much empathy for others unless she likes them (even parasocially) & she's drifted so far into rightwing politics she's started to say things she washed my mouth out with soap for saying when I was a kid who didn't know what those words even were (I was conned by some older kids, they thought it'd be funny to teach a younger kid all the bad words while lying about what they meant). Now she just says them like she's saying any normal word. It's horrifying. My Mom's experienced racial prejudice + abuse but she says the same sh1t now.
Like you, it happening to me is a huge fear, partly bc I don't understand what happened to the woman who taught me my progressive values.
This was incredibly well done. I wish I could send it to Roseanne & she would actually watch it & take it in 😅
this actually hurt to watch jeeeeez. that book is hauntingly and beautifully written and i wish i could read it without knowing yet not understanding the woman rosanne has become.
i genuinely hope she gets help. i think she brought this all on herself, and has had serious non-political issues likely caused by a response to trauma in the past, but i still think she deserves medical help and that nobody should have to have such a severe mental decline.
i can't even think she grifted or logically changed her views, and i am someone who thinks 99% of right swings are grifts, and the rest are people making their own terrible decisions. but, genuinely, that book was written with the insight and intelligence of someone who would not be capable of then turning around to right wing nonsense. no amount of 'grift' could ever explain that radical of a shift or the difference in how she speaks or behaves now. i firmly believe something's deeply wrong in her brain and that she needs psychiatric support, not stand-up specials. nothing other than severe untreated mental illness could have caused this radical of a change in personhood, regardless of whether she believes herself to be correct or to be grifting.
I'm not USAmerican, so I had never heard of her before and seeing the shift between the book and the special is wild. The book passages you read were really interesting and it is always a shame to see someone lose their roots and beliefs like that, especially when class treason is involved lmao
I am haunted by how excellent her writing is. WOW.
There's so much going on here, and it's really helpful to have an insightful, compassionate perspective on what is unarguably a turn for the hateful on Barr's part. Artists are humans, and keeping that at the forefront of our minds can be a challenge. You continue to rock.
(as an inconsequential aside: The reading glasses are making me Feel Things. Yes to 'saucy librarian' Coke Francis)
Let’s not forget that Roseanne was the victim of the false memories movement, that made her believe her parents sexually molested her and she developed 12 personalities to escape the horror in her head. Thank goodness, that movement was run out of the country in the 1990-2005 by my husband and a great attorney, both who still believed in standards among psychiatrists, psychologists and other self- identified therapists.
enjoyed the whole video but hit that like button specifically for the johnny rotten dunk
Aren’t youtube algorithms sometimes just astonishing. You popped up randomly (ooh err missus) and I had to subscribe.
I like the cut of your jib, ma’am.
The Sex Pistols comment was so accurate