What Are The Greek and Norse Gods?
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- There are many theories about the nature of the ancient pre-Christian gods of Europe. Looking primarily at Greek and Norse myths and using some comparative analysis I attempt to reconstruct a very ancient view of the gods. This does not address any later philosophical ideas such as developed by Plato. Feel free to add your own views in the comments.
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Your grasp of etymology and its use in the telling of the Myths, (Facts) of old present and future is second to none. Enjoyed this immensely.
In the Hebrew Bible god does not create water, he hovered over the water in the beginning. He separated the waters but he never creates the water. Almost all near eastern religions say the gods came from the primordial waters.
"Did God create the waters?"
The answer is given in the Hebrew text: בראשׁית ברא אלהים את השׁמים ואת הארץ
The fact is that God ברא (created) the השׁמים (heavens - plural) in (the) בראשׁית and so that’s when the waters were made when the heavens were made.
In Biblical cosmology the heavens were made of water hence המים (waters - also plural) is incorporated in the word השׁמים (heavens)
As such the waters belonged in the heavens because the heavens contained waters and the Spirit of God was over the waters or over the heavens and over the earth for that matter. These were all created בראשׁית (in beginning). And if this is not the beginning then it can’t be called the beginning.
Also, the waters were created in Genesis v1 in the very beginning. Because they were part of the heavens which were created in v1 in the beginning at the same time that the earth was created. There was nothing preexistent for if there were (other than God who created them) that would not have been the beginning of creation or the beginning. This therefore means all things in the heavens and the earth are created after this beginning point.
Awesome!
@@rockonpurification Nah: the passage makes clear that god was merely shaping a pre-existing chaos - a formless, undefined morass that he separates and organises, but does not actually create.
This is, again, perfectly in-line with every other culture in the Ancient Near East - including cultures immediately adjacent to the ancient Israelites, with whom they shared a common origin in their language, cultures, and religions.
F that Pile of foul sewage
Thank you for your continued work!
It helps a lot of young people like myself to better understand the thoughts, habits, and lives of our European ancestors.
Respect from Germany!
And respect to you too, brother. from Ireland.
No more brother wars.
Ich hoffe zu sehen sie alle, richtig, norenmal.
Ac sláinte I chi hefyd, brawd o Celtiaidd.
So often in comment sections I find myself coming to the defence of Zeus when he is slandered for his unfaithfulness. Its refreshing to see someone else come to my conclusion that Zeus' lovemaking is the means of divine creation. I like your idea of Zeus as day. This supports my theory of two Greek pantheons. The Olympians are Order and day while Chaos and night are the domains of Nyx and her many children. These are not hostile or antagonistic groups, just opposite forces to ensure balance. Between Order and Chaos are Divines like Nemesis who move between both. Interested to see the Divines as distributors because that is the origin of the name Nemesis. She distributes good and bad "luck" according to Divine judgement.
Hail Father Zeus!
I hate the slander of Zeus. It's so completely without actual base that it's not even funny. Glad to see there are others out there that adore the Father of Gods and Men!
@@WildMen4444 My primary is Athena and Athena loves her father, so what else can I do? People forget that Zeus' Roman counterpart is sometimes called Jove, from whom we get the word jovial. This leads me to one of my favourite stories about Zeus when he picks up his second favourite daughter, places her on his lap, and asks what he can give her. Little Artemis then recites a list of all she wants, like a girl on Santa's knee, and he granted her every one of them. :)
@@daniellogan-scott5968 I love that story too. Zeus is such a wonderful father. I really think we need Zeus in our community now more than ever and I am so glad that our heavenly father has a growing following. We could use a lot more benevolent father energy
Zeus is the only God I know that has cried tears of blood when his favorite son has to die (Sapredon, a Trojan, mind you, prince). Zeus is like Ragnar Lothbrok from the show Vikings, he mates with the best women in order to produce the best children that have fame everlasting. As people say, every myth starts because Zeus "couldn't keep it in his pants". Exactly! Zeus is the life-giving, creative spirit of the World/Consciousness!
@@Uriel333 Finally! Someone that gets it!
love this style of video. Great work
Thank you for the videos. This is one of my favorite channels.
Hesiod's Eros & Nyx turned out to be an allegory of Gravity & Dark Matter. Brilliant Genius.
According to who?These are literal beings not metaphors
@@Texasmade74 That's right! (But then, I even get upset when I hear someone refer to Athena as "Minerva") 😊
Swine nibbas when pearls are cast before them:
@@Texasmade74 It depends for whom for many Greeks they were personification of various phenomena not real beings perse
@@artawhirler Im Canaanite and I get upset when someone reffer to great goddess Anath with this trendy greek term
Love these videos that tie all these big concepts together
Brilliant, this is how Greek and Germanic gods is best understood. More in an abstract sense and less literal.
Well done, loved the video. Thorough and engaging👍
Thank you
Such an amazing video!
Dyaus = Day and light
Light =Conciousness, perception, clarity,
and as such, agency and power.
Over the years I read a lot, viewed a lot and with your videos I consistently learn a lot. Thanks!
On the topic of how Zeus, Poseidon and Hades pair with Hera, Demeter, and Hestia here are some idea.
Zeus (king) pairs with Hera (queen) because as stated the indo-european theme of marrying the land to gain sovereignty.
Poseidon may translate as master/husband of either earth or water or even lord of rivers depending on whose etymology you go with.
Demeter may translate to earth mother.
Poseidon in the linear b tablets is associated with Demeter and Persephone.
This could point to a watering of crops association.
Hades could pair with Hestia as he reigns over the home of the dead and she over the homes of the living.
Hades not having a wife and Hestia being the eternal virgin could also reflect this as they live in mutually exclusive realms.
If we go by the Roman account of the Dii Consentes, the pairs are as follows:
Jupiter (Zeus) and Juno (Hera)
Neptune (Poseidon) and Minerva (Athena)
Mars (Ares) and Venus (Aphrodite)
Apollo and Diana (Artemis)
Vulcan (Hephaestus) and Vesta (Hestia)
Mercury (Hermes) and Ceres (Demeter)
Pluto / Hades doesn't get listed because He isn't an Olympian in the proper sense though (for obvious reasons) He is paired with His wife Prosperpina / Persephone. Obviously these ideas all came later but based on the lore of all of these Gods I think these are the most appropriate pairings (though the argument can be made just as strongly that Poseidon and Demeter should be paired together). It should be kept in mind however that there are accounts that list Poseidon as Athena's father. They're linked much more than just the one time They fought over Athens
Hades is strangly absent from linear b. In my opinion another name for Hermes/Zues.
Plato in the Cratylus also traces the etymology of Kronos from a verb meaning "to sweep," saying it signified a "pure and garnished mind." He goes on to say that Uranus is rightly so called, "from looking upward, which as the philosophers tell us, is the way to have a pure mind."
Brilliant video. Loved the esoteric ideas. Much to ponder. Óðinn takes on a far more potent aspect when you see him from this angle. The ancient Indo-Europeans knew much that we’ve derided and forgotten.
Hmm...ur closing comment was really insightful, and something I'd never really considered before. Well done connecting those dots.
The work that’s gone into this is incredible! I could listen and watch these for hours . The filmography that’s gone into this omg ! I am curious where the beautiful images come from? They are hauntingly beautiful
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"Bagh" in Persian also means orchard. Interesting that in the clip people were distributing fruit while the discussing the Slavic word "bogh"
Always a great day to receive your new work. Thank you Kevin ✌️😎🇿🇦
Thanks for opening up my mind about this video 📹 it was truly interesting to me and I enjoyed it very much 😮
Brilliant!! I have been trying to tell ppl this. You worded it so much better than I ever could have.
Greetings ! It's "Theogony" not "Theogany". From "theos" meaning "god", and "gonos" meaning "offspring".
Really like your videos, keep up with the good work !
Yes, I know. A silly error which unfortunately cannot now be undone.
Really glad you aren’t AI.
Great VIDEO. Keep it going. Thanks
I love the fact that these gods were not tasked with the absurdity of creation ex nihilo.
Personally, I prefer Homer over Plato
Nice video🤘🐺 Slava Veles
One of the best videos ive ever seen on the subject
I loved this. Really resonated well with a video I myself recently made about the PIE gods.
Black library writers would benefit from watching these videos
The hell are you going on about?
One of your best for sure.
Very astute conclusion!
I heavily recommend the entire religious history series by Schwerpunkt on the topic
Stop recommending this guy. He’s not a reliable content creator and doesn’t even mention the sources he uses.
Another beautiful video! Thanks!
Great video, Lugh.
Fantastic work as always.
I would suggest the term giant might have some connection with powerful adversarial peoples
the gods are not allegory. the gods are not nature. the gods are not symbols. they are eternal divine beings who rule justly over all the cosmos. they are personalities beyond tangibility. they are reflected in our world as nature, but are seperate from it. hail to them. let us worship them
Hail to the Gods of all nations!
I was gonna say that. They use our world to express themselves in ways we can understand. Its a basic law of communication that you must have shared symbols. You cannot explain a rock to someone that has never seen one or anything like one, you have to use things they have seen to explain it relatively. These gods are not "Primitive explanations" of matter, matter is a primitive explanation of gods.
Why do you think that?
@@arturhashmi6281 well, because that is the essence of the divine. mere symbols and allegories cannot bless or judge or act.
@@dracodistortion9447 how do know that there are various beings acting not just one ultimate being transcendenting all the others? like eg. a lot of Greeks and Hindu people believed or still believes.
Well you can't accurately access greek myth's allegories without studying ancient greek philosophy and certainly can't if you do not now greek or ancient greek I am going to give you two hints hades Poseidon and hades are the same god at different plains of existence and hera symbolises the soul and the feeling of humans while Zeus logic and the human and universal mind
Great video! So it seems like simulation theory has been with us right from the very beginning.
Excellent video, thank you sir.
Thank you for the information in this video
Controversial topic. Haven't watched it yet, but i believe the neo platonists got the most right, even though i disagree with some of their views. One thing to remember is the knowledge that was held secret by the aristocrats in their mystery cults. To me it's very clear that Plato got a lot of his ideas from the Dyonisian mystery cult.
Hail to the Gods of all nations! I believe the Gods are divine beings that control the cosmos and provide the various good things necessary for life. I believe it is important we have relationships with these beings so we can be in alignment with the order that They bring. This video was wonderful and I will be definitely revisiting it to contemplate it further. It's amazing how profound the traditions of our ancestors were.
It's early astrology explaining in story's how planet works threw stars and moon amazing how thet put it into story's
@@audreyroche9490 I disagree
@@audreyroche9490A complete and utter nonsensical claim with no evidence whatsoever. What you're rhetorically and insultingly describing as just mere "astrology" are religions in their own right.
@@Dice_roller nope astrology is science based on energy u know what energy is u can't see it can u see electricity no thats energy are u saying that u don't understand the energy of planet and how energy works as when u die your body loses its energy spirt leaves the body lol the hole world is an energy u clearly no idea how planet works moon an energy son an energy your negative comment an negative energy if u don't understand something a suggestion research it classed as sending out black magic been negative and argumentative
@@Dice_roller a belief is something that doesn't exist lol science exists so do moon stars sun we be dead without them and dead without energy we wouldn't be dead without reglion lol
Logos is the root from which logic comes from. It means speech in a sense but not so much as as sound, more like the will that is expressed through words.
i like the switch up at 18:40 😂
The ancient concept of the gods comes from our early interactions with the DMT entities, those who could speak or sing matter into being, mixed with the much younger, though still extremely ancient science of the field of musical tension, which was seen as a model of the structure of reality, the fractal space-time entity, the conscious, standing harmonic gravity waves. The council of "those who order" are simply the 12 gods / angles or angels of the cycle of time / the 12 tones of the musical key reordering / transposing to greater wavelengths, greater harmony through grater complexity. They reorder to their neighboring key.
Hail Odin!!!!
Amazing
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I love the video ❤❤
The xenogears background music fits lol
The image at 15:04 is misleading: it should be the one at 9:30. The River rising from the Well below the world in the far east, flowing to the far west, is described as Milky. The map is universally (catholicus) seen, only the regional (paganus) tales vary.
No religion can claim to have a monopoly on virtue-wholesomeness and goodness-, veneration of creation, and claim over the universe's power.
Remove any practice of human sacrificeor extremes of behavior, and paganism becomes quite palatable.
Reglion was forced on people in Europe Britain Ireland basically god rules the planet threw the sun moon and stars including our karma good or bad very clever floral back then ti know si much about stars so on
Pagan just a negative word the reglious ones put on the astrology beliefs when uts the leaders whi carried on using astrology for evil gods consciousness is your intuition third eye which they took away with reglion
@@audreyroche9490Complete and utter nonsensical claims with no evidence whatsoever. What you're rhetorically describing as just mere "astrology" are religions in their own right.
You cannot remove it.
Suggestion go see a doctor
I wonder if this cut is symbolically recreated every time a Jewish or Islamic person is circumcised for religious reasons? any thoughts on that?
Circumcision is for us to remember famine, we have to remember not to have so many children we can’t feed them. It supplanted child sacrifice.
Thank you
Just found you 😍
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I this k it’s not exactly correct to think about ancient chaos as cosmic structures. Back then the stars on the sky were thought as a part of the Earth world, the idea of them being a distant world maybe presented but not popular at all. The chaos in that view was representing the idea of uniformity - a great ocean. Many cosmogony myths are describing the uniform water as the origin state of the world, then a creation of the land and sky by some miracle event like crack of the egg in the common diver myth and depiction of the body like in two brothers and a cattle myth.
You have not given us facts to hang our hats on but an experience to wash over us.
Bhidio sgoinneil mar a bha e an-còmhnaidh, slàinte mhath dhut.
fantastic that this pops into my recommendations right after I started reading American God :)
The story's to connect the meaning in the stars amazing in them days without technology knowledge my god
Interpersonal agents that have agency
Thanks!
Thank you
Unsurprisingly, the original question is not answered, but I appreciate that it is discussed, especially the part about gods as those who are called to and who can answer these calls. This is both a very specific thing to say about their nature, as well as a foundational principle of religious practise, and I would go so far as to say it is the most important thing to know about the gods from the perspective of a worshiper, whereas many other other questions about their nature are of much less practical concern to us.
Another important aspect you mention is the distinction between goods being the same as something that exists and gods being actors who act upon that thing, govern its course and distribute it to human beings, though I would add that the same deity can relate to something in both ways, be identical with it and be a governor and distributor of that thing.
Finally, the notion of the gods as creators not of the world but of the order of the world, not of things but of their purposeful configuration, is well put, though I doubt your reading of the myth of Cronos and Uranos as linking to day and night sky since the event described is a different one from Zeus' emergence from the cave, and while they may share a theme, by the time Zeus emerges, the separation of sky and earth has long been taken care of in the Hesiodic timeline. The idea is better supported by other myths like Zeus sending eagles in the cardinal directions every morning to stretch out the sky above the earth.
Thanks for the connection ti astrology as greeks were good at astrology
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Things ever change. I can see the lightning bolts being shied down now!
Brooo
You gotta take a deeper analysis.
Sumerian gods > PIE gods > greek gods.
If you want to know their nature, look the sumerians.
The sumerian war in heaven > titanomachy
Enlils flood > zeus flood
Atrahasis > Deucelion
Enki makes man > Prometheus makes man
Interesting but I don't think you answer the question "What Are The Greek and Norse Gods". In Norse mythology there are many powerful beings but some are consider Gods other not. And the Elves seem to be some kind of semi-Gods. Aesir seems to be all Gods. maybe Vanir as well, or is it just the Vanir that live with the Aesir? The Jotnar is generally not Gods but some are that are connected to the Gods like Skade and Jord. The Gods are not the first beings, and Gods can die, what makes them Gods then? Is it more a matter of what creatures supports humans and protects Midgård? "Our Team" are Gods and our "enemies" are not Gods? Olympians are Gods and Titans are not Gods?
The Titans had cults
Τhank you for this video!.
Just a comment on the origins and not the "context" of the Gods:
I Tend to believe that Herodotus is right.
Greeks just copied their Gods from the Egyptians.
And not only their Gods, but their most important Kings came from Egypt too during the same period (1800-1500 b.c). Cadmus, Danos, Even some Athenian kings might well have been Egyptians.
Is that weird ? Not at all! Egypt was the most advanced civilization at the time and Greeks took their kings and their religion from them
just like slavs took religion and princesses from eastern romans.
Now, copying god names and some attributes is one thing, but attaching new forms and attributes is another.
Greeks and Norse people attached some spiritual/philosophican context (which is the content of this video) plus they formed these gods according to their art.
Again, is that copying and modifying gods weird or new ? Not at all! It happened again when we took Gods/God from Near East for the second time. (I mean the Christian God)
More Specifically, both Northern European and Southern European took Cristianity but they formed/modyfied it according to their social traits.
Northen European --> Protestantism (i.s. Cristianity is mainly Hard work and actions/initiatives on personal and seld-improvement level)
Souther European --> Catholicism/Orthodoc (i.e. Christianity is mainly charity)
Diolch am holl, fel arfer, am byth.
Great video! Just a remark, because they are juxtaposed in this video, Odin and Zeus are not the same. Thor and Zeus are the same.
Thor and Zeus are definitely not the same
You are looking it from the wrong angle.
Zeus is equivalent to Odin because they both hold the same position in their pantheon.
Not because of their power.
@@Texasmade74 Agreed: not the same. But stemmed from the same root. Together with Indra, who is also not the same.
On the topic of Odin, he seems very much like a deified hero, I belive the story of him marching from the city of Asgard to fight the Celts in the black forest.
The one where the only seer Odin has is like, "yeah don't know the sticks say it could go either way" (thus inspiring Odin to later trade his eye for reading lessons so he can call BS)
The People of the Forest are people not gods and yet match the "gods" in battle.
Then when the treaty is made it's agreed by the Druid representative of the People of the Forest that they will stop hunting the Aesir for Human Sacrifice.
Then we get the most annoying hostage in all of history send his head to Odin who pickles it and talks to it in private. (cause Odin went a little crazy...)
I feel when a myth is about something that must have actually happened, (like the border between France and Germany really did get established) and the only "magic" is reading or singing with no effect other than psychological (like in the Celtic and Aesir war) it can be treated as a historic account.
The Aesir should always be hunted down and bled to death imo.
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In my personal opinion, they are metaphysical concepts that were taken from natural phenomena. I also think that they're antediluvian, not newer inventions. With some exceptions of course.
I favor the idea of a provider god, rather than one who promotes doctrines. I need a Sugar Daddy god. Hahaha.
The first 10 minutes had no information, so I just turned off. Unless you convey an abstract within the first 15 seconds, people will loose interest.
All Made up
Absolutely ridiculous. I can't get more than 3 min without an add break. Unsubbed!!!!!
Really soured the video that you injected images of modern partisan-manufactured politics issues for some reason. I look to mythology and the study of ancient stories to find what's universal among humanity in an increasingly polarized world of petty, pointless divisive rhetoric, not to have ancient perspectives and beliefs co-opted to try to reinforce that stupidity and especially not bigotry against minorities of any kind. Shame you'd pull that kind of thing.
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Where was the bigotry? A direct comparison to modern events from an ancient perspective is entirely justified. Just because you don't like the result doesn't make it bigoted. There was also nothing targeting minorities, but the unequal application of the law and the failure of the state to do proper justice.
@@FortressofLugh You dropped in screencap references to anti-immigrant (blaming them for housing shortages) and anti-trans (claiming a parent should have the right to violate the medical privacy of their child) rhetoric pieces.
The pieces you chose are obvious partisan political material, targeting minorities (specifically immigrants and trans people). You may see some kind of perceived "right" to discriminate against specific classes of people as "equal application of the law" or "the state doing proper justice" but that is the opposite of what these pieces are trying to achieve.
@@FortressofLugh To be clear, I'm speaking out because I think your videos do really important work - but I would hope they can do it in a way that stays universally accessible and friendly to all people, instead of with inclusions of material that attacks specific classes.
I think you know what you did. I think you know who these news stories are targeting. I think you know that discriminating against people isn't about "equal application of the law" or about "the state doing proper justice" but in reality about the opposite of those things.
I want to see you do better because I love most of your videos (this, specifically, is the only one I have any issues with out of all I've seen so far, and even _most_ of this one was good too).
Ever cup a fart and smell your hand?
Your videos are great but the insertion of populist politics was very weird. Your analysis of mythology is going to be severely limited if you view it coming from this kind of angle - ancient civs were very queer and that might be seen as WOKE! if your politics factor into this
0/10. not right once.
What do you mean ?? What was wrong??
Lmao
etymologies, relationships, significance. all.@@EudaimonV
Normally I really like your videos, but must you bring in modern day politics? Not only that but in a manipulative way pushing a certain agenda... Had to quit watching when I hit that part. That really annoyed me.
The sons of God saw the daughters of Men and took of them wifes, the same became mighty Men of old, men of renown.- Genesis 6.2
Read the book of Enoch
Nonsense.
tools used to control the great unwashed
The antediluvian gods, and nephilim. Myths by 3000 BC.
Nonsense.
Fantastic work!
gods are celestial phenomena, foremost. ie, Hercules is a hero, but he is a constellation. if these characters in the celestial sphere do not keep the balance, Ragnarok would happen, the sky would fall. it would, really. if even the smallest distance was altered, no eclipses, altered seasons etc. the order must be kept, however, nothing is static. the 26,000 year Cycle of Precession changes the Pole Star. the Sun moves toward Vega, the duck (Abhijit)
Excellent presentation; this top shelf, quality work is very much appreciated.