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terrible TV last night Channel 7. The awkward high chairs, no walk-in and warm handshake, the best climate change Q you could come up with was a gotcha about a Leaf, irrelevant countdown clock.... you didn't do the West any favours.
exactly that is the PM and the political leader of Labor and they get the crap chairs and the journalists get the good ones wtf?! Where is the prestige watching BSM in LA is more comfortable then seeing these poor men on stools and debate down the camera!
Isn't it great! Corporate media pacifies and dumbs down the masses, so they are more conducive to corporate dominance. They put these naive straight laced trendies in front of you, whilst the corporate machine works out how best to make you conform to their economic and social agenda. It's privatised propaganda. Like Murdoch.
@@advance-design If you think these issues are so simple that they can be explained in just a minute, you truly have no idea what the issues are to begin with.
Shane Warne will host the next debate! Questions will be asked by David Warner and Steve Smith, both experienced with any attempt to tamper with the truth.
Everyone acting like ScoMo didn't fill his dacks with brown trout in the 90s. It's a well-known fact that he blew out his drawers with Spring-time fudge. Google "ScoMo Engadine" for further information. THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE, SCOTT.
I feel like it wasn't as organised as I thought It would be, there was a lot of interruptions and I feel like Scott Morrison and Bill Shorten were confused with all the interruptions.
Why is it restricted to just Liberal and Labor ?? I would like to see the rest of the parties involved as well !! Pauline, Clive, Fraser, Cory, and the rest of them !!! We will never succeed as a country if we are continually led to believe that we only have two options !!
The people you are talking about equate to a wasted vote, unfortunately. I would be great to have a real alternative but all these different options will take votes from each other and end up watering each other down. The reality is they only care about their own future not Australia's.
@@Habayat5678 Labor and the LNP are the two biggest parties. Depending on your political views you can be a Moderate Left (Labor) or a Moderate Right (LNP). Then there is the far left (Greens) or far right (Fishers, One Nation, Clive Palmer). Then there are independents spread throughout. If you're younger (like me) you're best to look progressive/left as they try to cater to younger voters than the Conservatives/Right. Luckily we have preferential voting, which allows you to vote for a side party like the Greens 1st and Labor 2nd. This means your vote won't be wasted if Greens lose, it would then go to your 2nd preference or 3rd, 4th etc. Hope that helped your understanding! I advise you to go to the major parties websites and check policy, as debates like this are mostly irrelevant.
Very poor debate format. WTF was annoying Baz doing there anyway!!! Got bored within the first 10 mins.. Channel 7 probably watch a US Presidential debate or two for some pointers ..
Ok I'm sorry to say but Labors wage increase is pure stupidity. In no economy, does a wage increase and job security both work in harmony. A wage increase will force businesses to hire less staff and force increases in production costs on to consumers. Alternatively a tax cut from the liberals will see more aggregate demand in the economy, which is much more favourable.
Oscar Wilde notice how I said a pay increase doesn't help. With a pay increase, cost of productions for businesses Increase. These increases are passed on to consumers which cause inflation in the economy. This further erodes purchasing power of consumers and the real value of their wage is worth less. So in essence, a pay increase is pointless and a tax bracket cut is far more beneficial. Mind you Shorten is not even sharing how much he is increasing wages by.
@@LTCTTM Economics 101. An increase in the basic wage (people at the lowest end of the pay scales) does something that tax cuts to the higher end of the pay scales does not do. It provides almost immediate economic stimulus. Why? Because most of that increase gets spent in the economy almost immediately - buying goods & services they could not afford and really wanted. More goods & services are consumed, more tax (at least some GST), more turnover for businesses, more demand, more profit, those businesses similarly spend more with their suppliers, etc etc - multiplier effect. Those tax cuts - nice for those who get them - but what do they do with them. They probably have no immediate needs (goods & services) and would probably have a think before making purchases of gratification - so that money goes nowhere - at least for a while. It might just sit in savings or investments and never reach the every day economy. Bottom line - if you want the economy to move the best place for stimulus is the lower end - and everyone gets the benefit. Trickle down is just that - a trickle - no good for anyone except the people at the top who control the trickle - one drip at a time....
Except if lower end pay scale people get too pricey then the incentive is for more automation which is coming at a clip. People(labour) will be replaced by machines and no Ned Ludd this time around. @@Michael_CS615
I admire Bill Shorten's calm approach to the debate unlike Scott Morrisons, even after he was cut off multiple times whilst trying to better explain his policy, in a way, this provides a view of his mentality towards real unhesitating change
Yes unemployment is the best problem seriously, most jobs are casual is not stable at all, you work one or two days a week sometime they never roster u, & the cost of living is high.
Mr Shorten, why do you want to raise minimum wage? You know this is a road to nowhere. By raising minimum wages, the cost of living always goes up, not down. The money to pay those wages has to come from somewhere, so it always comes from increased prices of goods and services. But this suits you. As tax is paid as a percentage, an increase in wages with no decrease in taxation means a large increase in revenue with no relief for the poor. Reduction of taxes reduces cost of living. This is well known and very obvious. Bringing back import taxes on foreign goods would more than cover any shortfall and would also make Australian made products competitive in the local market again. Mr Shorten, why do you want to rip off Aussies?
Reduction of tax also decreases funding for crucial infrastructure and public services. It causes the economy to stagnate. Economic growth doesn't come without any risks. The increase in wages for the lower class causes a redistribution of power and wealth within the economy
@@ManCatCheese This does not work. Reduction of tax INCREASES funding. The Trump administration has proven this hands down. The reduction in commercial tax has been highly effective at stimulating the economy. This, combined with import tariffs has encouraged production to return to the USA. This means jobs. Lots of jobs. Because there are so many more people working, there are many more people paying income tax. Also, there is a big reduction in the cost of social security payments. On top of these, tax revenue from the border tariffs is huge. The money made from the import tariffs allows reductions in income tax which offsets the increase in costs of imported goods. It is a very old business model that is forever successful. Instead of a government trying to maximise profit from each individual through high taxation, having a much larger number of people working and therefore paying tax always leads to a far stronger economy. Look at a company like Walmart. Each item only has a very small profit margin. Because they sell so many products all over America, the total profit of the company is huge. Oil companies are the same. Mining companies too. The profit margin on every unit of oil or mineral sold is very small but they move billions of units every year and therefore the profits add up fast. This is why Toyota is more profitable than Ferrari. Ferrari only manufactures small volumes of cars at high profit per car. Toyota manufactures huge volumes of cars at low profit. Low profit, high volume always wins. Low tax, high employment always wins for exactly the same reasons.
That's not true when its big business like woolies, coles, BHP, Rio Tinto ect the increase in wages comes out of the profits. These companies make huge profits and lowering a wage increases that profit. Its a myth about trickle-down economics. The fact is when you give more money to low income workers THEY SPEND IT! when rich people get more money they keep it (Or put it into real estate) and it doesn't go back into the economy.
The problem with Morrison's argument on strong economy is this: 1. Liberal's have been in power for 6 years and have tripled our national deficit, while cutting spending. 2. Cooperate profits have gone up in the last 6 years, but our real wage has not gone up. 3. A SURPLUS does not help the average Australian; A surplus means a government has not done anything. 4. The Liberal talk about tax cuts, they have cut taxes for the top 1% of Australians. The person that generates that surplus in the end is the income tax payer. 5. When the Labor party was in power, Australia was 1st on the OECD economic survey. It is now... 34th out of 38...
It's hard to reduce the deficit when the crossbench in the senate won't entertain spending reductions. The last point is a reflection of how dire the global economy was ten years ago.
um. First you need to understand the difference between deficit from debt. Then maybe look at any graph of deficit over time to understand how it was Labor that racked up the debt while the Coalition that has finally stopped its rise. Then consider how mindless your whole point on this was with your comment that surplus means nothing. Holy moley. You's ain't that bright when it comes to economics.
Viktor Ko These points you listed are contentious and could take pages to debate. Seriously, it gives no indication at all about performance of this government. There are myriads of factors and contexts for debate and discussions. Just on your point 4. alone is flawed, look at the tax reductions in the different brackets over the years, they have been cut not only for high earners but also those on lower incomes.
The so called "leaders debate" with only 2 political parties being represented on stage. The worst part was how much they rushed both leaders through the questions not giving them time to actually "debate " properly when more was needed to be said.
Shucks! ScoMo should have brought those abattoir chains and chain slithering Shorten to the bench ( like what the vegans did to themselves) and make Shorten tell the truth before letting him slither away!
@@engfeiyin you must've temporarily slipped into an alternate dimension and that's why you saw what you saw, but then slipped back into this reality were i hate to tell you but your boy is buried and gone
If this debate was structured to provide an opportunity for nothing more interesting than talking points and partisan spin, to avoid any nuanced policy discussion or debate, then well done Channel 7, you nailed it. Your channel had no business wasting this opportunity. Stick to the footy.
@@shivaghazal all countries have their flaws, their really is no country that's the best, i just think its up your self to think that way, never said i hate australia or wanted to leave, learn to pick out information from a conversation
I think it's a pretty valid point. A good leader can see the good in their enemy. A good leader can see the grey areas. How good can a leader be if they cant acknowledge or even see the good points from their opposition?
Why reform of negative gearing and housing affordability is not even discussed at all? This is supposed to be one of the really most important issues for a lot of Australians.
we all agree that I, Scott Morrison am an pentacostal christian with my head up my ahmm. We all know that i can cherry pick a bunch of numbers to make it look like i can manage money. But what i wont tell you is that i can't actually do anything about global capital, except privatize more stuff, and dig up more public assets and sell them off for next to nothing... we all know you can trust me as far as anyone could trust Barnaby to do the right thing for the Murray Darling. so everything i saw about money is a kind of pathetic fillibuster because i havent got anything to say.....
@Since when by refusing to answer any questions. Bill avoids discussing the costs because if the public knew, it would not vote them in. You dont think its important???
@Since when Australia produces .08 percent of worldwide carbon emissions. Im all for transitioning to renewable s over time, but not at the complete annihilation of our economy which when compared to the rest of the world, our environmental impact would be a piss in the ocean.. It is a fair question. How much am I going to lose in new taxes like death taxes, carbon taxes to make such a minimal world wide effect??? How much will Bills plan cost our country?
when the government and news are not treating the country seriously, a game show? The winner rewards to rule Australia? Sad for people suffering the foolishness.
Awful format and the sound effects and graphics laughable. Neither leader knocked it out of the park, but only Shorten had detail behind his policy plans. Morrison seemed generally more polished, but his entire policy platform appears to be "lower taxes" without any detail, and spent more time talking about the dangers of Labor than his own vision. Shorten by a fair margin.
In all honesty was Kevin Rudd truly responsible for the global financial crises of 2007, or did he really manage to prevent the Australian economy from collapsing altogether by implemented strategies to keep Australia workers working in order to to keep the Australian economy strong and from falling off a cliff into a deep recession and the likelihood of heading into a major global depression, which appeared to be at the time a very close call from my recollection.
I just checked that United Australian party and looks fantastic Clive says he will increase the pension by 150 a fortnight is that just old aged pensions or including disability pensions as well?
@@mindfulclarity169 The United Australia party is nothing but a political Capital grab by Clive Palmer to enact policies which benefit his businesses. Please don't be tricked by him, he owes his workers unpaid wages in the millions and is a genuine crook. His policies are also a facade as they're hollow and don't have a genuine plan. He does not hold your interests and will not act on his promises. If you're a regular pensioner you're best to vote for Labor.
Ramez F So, it doesn’t matter that Hitler was evil, all that mattered was his ability to express and exert his views. Same applies to Kim Jong Un and Putin
Wages - our under diversified low complexity economy is driven largely by domestic spending, our population is quite indebted, it's relatively harder and more expensive to run a business in Australia. Inflation is now 0 and central bank interest @1.5%. I don't see how you can just "increase wages". More likely to see benefits increase and "helicopter money" as it's not likely going to come from your employment.
@@connerfox9144 yeah but worse 'cause he pretended he was the innocent one supporting Malcolm. If he stopped lying his mouth would close over and he'd be forced to speak with his one remaining orifice
I watched the debate last night i thought it was very interesting and even though i want bill shorten to win he looked and sounded very nervous and after careful consideration i thought that Scott Morrison won the debate
Why isnt australians talking about how to keep the young australian inside australia? I mean a LOT of young australians that are in uni are finding that job markets in Australia are just not as attractive as overseas like US especially in the new technology industries.
Scott Morrison is great! He's honest, has never told lies, looks after the workers and has integrity and values. He's the best Prime Minister ever! and just what this country needs to get back on it's feet. He clearly won this debate. He's a true leader and perfect for the role of Prime Minister.
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There are more people running than just liberal and labor. Yes one of them will probably win, but you should have The other party leaders there as well. Or did channel 7 only pay lobby money to liberal and labor? I would never vote for the greens, but even they deserve to have a spot and let the people of Australia be the judge at the ballot box.
Jonathan McCaffrey I like it. But the point I’m trying to make is, the standard of Australia as a country has been pretty consistent since federation, right? And that consistency is not so much subjected to which government is in power, compared to let’s say, a change of government in 1949 China, 1975 Rhodesia, Khmer Rouge etc.
The more money you "earn" the more money you deserve to keep, he has my vote. Whilst labour voters who wasted their eduction to become tradies believe its unfair and "deserve" more wages phhh i wonder why Australia doesn't make ANYTHNG any more.
@@Travelingman-1980 What you put in is what you get out. Some people need help, and I understand that, BUT a houso sitting at home getting high every day shouldn't be a beneficiary of the guy who sacrificed a lot to get to the top.
Hi Rhys, I know this is an old comment, but do you not agree that tradies are an important part of society, that we cannot operate as a nation without them, that they are very skilled in their specialised fields, and have often highly dangerous jobs which they should be compensated for? I do not agree that people 'wasted' their education by going to trade school. Some people are not interested in academia and not everyone has to be part of the professional managerial class. In fact, the people you look down on in society are actually the most important to keep our country running, the pandemic has proved this.
@@clairepanrucker5413 That is very true in what you say, and I most certainly agree. What my argument is, if you want to earn a surgeons wage or a CEOs you must put the work in for that particular field. And when you have people (mostly labour) that work in a separate field who work hard in a most admirable way yet do not position themselves in a position where their actions lead directly to profits in the millions but want to be compensated in the same way they clearly are wrong in asking for such compensation even if what they are doing is clearly admirable. And as such, if you want to earn the same as the people that put themselves in more profitable situations yet do not, you clearly wasted your opportunity of education. Because labour and the greens want to take MOST of the wages that profitable workers earn and give it in the form of resources to the people that did not earn such wages. Which is great within reason because we all need resources such as health care, but in the degree to which labour want it, it becomes my argument of if you want MOST of the profitable wage earners money then you can't have it because THEY EARNED IT by putting themselves in a situation you could have done so yourself. And as such, you will need to live off your own wage and the resources the government give you that is far beyond reasonable in this country because you choose your path and can't have my money!.
@@rhyscampbell8394 Thanks for replying Rhys, and I understand where you're coming from, however I really don't think anyone is arguing for tradies, teachers, nurses, childcare workers, waiters etc. to earn the same as doctors, lawyers or ceos. However, someone like Gina Rinehart, who has inherited her wealth which she then invested in the mining boom, thus making billions more dollars, now has amassed of wealth of 24 billion dollars. On my teachers salary, I would have to work for literally 300,000 years to EARN that much money. Gina Rinehart has not earned her money, she inherited it. Now I don't expect her and other billionaires to give away all their money, but it is pointless for them to hoard so much of it, where it isn't circulating the economy. By the way, Gina Rinehart pays less tax than you do. Rupert Murdoch redacted his Australian citizenship to avoid paying taxes here, and yet continues to influence politics greatly through his newspapers. I'm sure you earned your money, doctors who earn 400,000 a year have earned their money, no one is denying that, but the liberals continue to cut taxes on millionaires and billionaires in this country, so that those people will then line their own pockets. It's not just unfair, it's bad economics.
@@scottmorrison466 10% -20% tax on consumption +high custom fees at the port , 13% -51% tax on cars .High taxes on Consumption is the problem 35 yrs since bob hawke 45% wholesale tax and 20% tarrifs the liberals have trimmed it down. , In Usa some states pay no Consumption taxes
That he keeps preaching a budget surplus? Any credible economist will say it doesn't matter if you're in Dept it matters why you're in debt. Labor isn't preaching a budget surplus because it isn't indicative of economic growth. You need to spend money to make money basically.
Michael Wilson look I'll tell you something for free... let Morrison build the surplus in the next four years so that labor can spend it all! ...and so the cycle continues, right?
@@EliMaynard I rather a government that is willing to implement policies that benefits the working class. Morrison cares more about his donors and would rather do less for you while he spends that time entertaining his donors. When Australia votes conservative, Australia gets left behind, the Liberals have not done anything to progress Australia in the last 6 years, you have to be blind to not see that.
@@d00mch1ld Labor policies always sound good but they don't consider the consequences nor of how they exactly pay for it. Labor is for people with short term thinking, Liberal/Conservatives for people with future long term thinking.
But they are paying tax - the company pays tax, gives some to the owner (shareholder) that is below the tax free threshold, well, they have paid a tax.
It is amazing how often you hear the term stable government. I have little confidence in the stability of either party. As soon as popularity starts to drop in the polls the knives will come out.. The last 12 years have been a laughing stock from both sides of government. Labor also want the best of everything as Bill stated. To have the best of everything you have to be either very wealthy to afford the cost, or borrow more than you can afford.
i dont understand how Bill was better than Morrison in this debate, All Bill did was to point how bad current government is doing without mentioning any clear plan or budget of their plan, God knows how much their climate plan will cost and how it will make us more poor, at least Liberal has a clear vision
It is pretty obvious that Bill Shorten and his colleagues haven't done any math for their policies. Shorten can't remember any numbers because there are actually no numbers by them.
Not a big fan of either.. Labor and open boarders, higher taxes, etc Libs no job security , etc Can anyone find two parties that will actually get a crap about australians, jobs, debt, and stop bowing to the UN, and other countries
Labor want to raise taxes on corporations and very high income. They're progressive, wish to actually combat climate change and have always been for the working class. If you're a middle earning worker then you'd vote Labor without question.
@@sypher0101 The Great Australia Party is a decent 1st choice, but if you're a middle class earner with a full time job or have children you should really preference Labor second. I understand a lot of misinformation has been spread around, but Labor really aren't a bad party.
If I were to vote, I’d vote Scott Morris - Bill shorten is the type of person who would promise you anything to get your vote - World economy is at its difficult time, I really don’t think a lot of Shorten’s policy would work at this time. Also more welfare & tax cut? it’s simply impossible you have to have money to back up your welfare that means more tax - by saying tax we all know it’s going to be on middle class hard working people because those on centerlink payments don’t pay tax, those people o at the top have tax evasion systems - Borrowing money overseas is difficult than before as the world economy is not good. If bill shorten is next pm, I could see the most difficult time for AU people that will ever be
Fark channel 7 this isn't Endgame settle down on the opening animations aye?
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@Myxi politics should not be treated as entertainment, this is some superbowl level shite
@@piepods Don't be a fool. Use your stool!
Is Bill Shorten in a debate? Or a Bert Newton infomercial??
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terrible TV last night Channel 7. The awkward high chairs, no walk-in and warm handshake, the best climate change Q you could come up with was a gotcha about a Leaf, irrelevant countdown clock.... you didn't do the West any favours.
exactly that is the PM and the political leader of Labor and they get the crap chairs and the journalists get the good ones wtf?! Where is the prestige watching BSM in LA is more comfortable then seeing these poor men on stools and debate down the camera!
Reason for why television is a dying platform.
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Isn't it great!
Corporate media pacifies and dumbs down the masses, so they are more conducive to corporate dominance.
They put these naive straight laced trendies in front of you, whilst the corporate machine works out how best to make you conform to their economic and social agenda.
It's privatised propaganda. Like Murdoch.
What’s the point of getting to “as many questions as you can” if you’re not going to allow them time to give thoughtful and reasoned answers?
If you can't explain an issue quick enough in simple terms, you just don't understand it. A minute was enough to communicate what's important.
@@advance-design Great, an hour of back-and-forth soundbites
ADVANCE you obviously are not aware of long form conversation which is now the most popular form of podcasting and debating.
@@advance-design If you think these issues are so simple that they can be explained in just a minute, you truly have no idea what the issues are to begin with.
The quick hit is all that matters in the world of TV - welcome to the short term attention span mode of commercial television.
This wasn't a debate, very bad format. Get rid of the 3 channel seven people and let them debate with a good moderator.
I agree we don't want these small journalist ...they don't matter just debate please
Yeah ABC has failed us time to restructure...
Did you feel like, at points, the moderators seemed biased one way or the other?
WRONG
RAY MARTIN! THERE'S THE CLASS ACT RAY MARTIN!
A football commentator hosting a political debate? How very channel seven. Who will host the next debate? A My Kitchen Rules contestant?
Bruce McAveney's gonna host the next one. Oh delicious response Bill!!!
Shane Warne will host the next debate! Questions will be asked by David Warner and Steve Smith, both experienced with any attempt to tamper with the truth.
We've gotta see BT ask them a couple of question lol
@@shentawadrous7819 maybe they'll have roaming Brian on the floor of the tally room.
@@shentawadrous7819 Dennis Commetti wanted to ask a few questions but there was nothing centimetre perfect for him.
"48 undecided voters" *sees matthias cormann sitting in audience*
Chloe Shorten was in there too by the looks of it
Scomo’s question: does climate change exist?
Shorten’s question: what is the cost of this specific model of electric car?
Very poor format. Basil’s interruptions don’t facilitate debates they stop the debate! Not necessarily his fault but the format leads to poor debate.
Without his interruptions it would be like sitting in the house of reps
Basil is a prop. He has no reason to be there.
I was trying so hard to listen to Scott's replies but I kept hearing Bill muttering away. I reckon that's his way to confusing what Scott has to say
Ok let’s start now #####
That was the moderator's jobs. They were useless.
Imagine cutting every question short because Home and Away was scheduled SMH
BrazeBud Oath 😂😂😂
480p in 2019. That tells a lot on how Australia is technologically backwards
@TheOfficeChair Sadly, that reinforces my point even more.
why do you need 4k to listen politics? 480 just enough, no data wasting
@TheOfficeChair They could still record in at least 1080i & upload/stream it in that resolution online, I guarantee they have the equipment.
Our country's got bigger problems right now unfortunately....
It would toatally be nice to have a reason for my 4k tv though 😂
@@Tovaryshok why do you hate 4k to listen to politics? 4k is free, in large-scale wifi countries
Thank You "7 NEWS Australia" for leaving this video open to comments :)
I agree, its getting very boring now on social media with our voices blocked either way, left or right!!! Sign of the times.
This reminds me of the time ScoMo full-blown shidded his pants at Engadine Maccas in 1997. What a mess that was.
TROLLS!!
Thought that was gonna be Bill's response to the "Something people don't know about your opponent" question
@@Esther-bp5mq No he didn't use any Toilet Rolls
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Everyone acting like ScoMo didn't fill his dacks with brown trout in the 90s. It's a well-known fact that he blew out his drawers with Spring-time fudge. Google "ScoMo Engadine" for further information. THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE, SCOTT.
I hope channel 7 read these comments and do some critical thinking
at least they open comments. the rest channels are so gutless to do so. the opposite to what you tube is about!
@@Cutelittlecountrygirlthey don’t open comments anymore lol
The management of this debate was a debacle. They need to fact check real time and allow the leaders enough rope, not keep cutting them off.
Michael Wheatland did you see the ABC fact check? Morrison was so sincere but lied so much.
@@andrewhorton I didn't. Can you link it here?
I feel like it wasn't as organised as I thought It would be, there was a lot of interruptions and I feel like Scott Morrison and Bill Shorten were confused with all the interruptions.
Wouldnt allow high pressure debate. Answers to questions we wanted being cut short and moving on.
But would't be important for it . to be pressured and organized?
Isabella Galic , Bill Shorten definitely wasn’t confused like Morrison.
Omg love this new game show!
Just your average family feud
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Why is it restricted to just Liberal and Labor ?? I would like to see the rest of the parties involved as well !! Pauline, Clive, Fraser, Cory, and the rest of them !!!
We will never succeed as a country if we are continually led to believe that we only have two options !!
The people you are talking about equate to a wasted vote, unfortunately. I would be great to have a real alternative
but all these different options will take votes from each other and end up watering each other down. The reality is they
only care about their own future not Australia's.
Agree ! Love ‼️‼️ Clive !!
As a young Australian with very little knowledge/fucks to give about politics I actually thought these 2 were my only options
Because these two are most popular. The rest have never won an election.
@@Habayat5678 Labor and the LNP are the two biggest parties. Depending on your political views you can be a Moderate Left (Labor) or a Moderate Right (LNP). Then there is the far left (Greens) or far right (Fishers, One Nation, Clive Palmer). Then there are independents spread throughout. If you're younger (like me) you're best to look progressive/left as they try to cater to younger voters than the Conservatives/Right. Luckily we have preferential voting, which allows you to vote for a side party like the Greens 1st and Labor 2nd. This means your vote won't be wasted if Greens lose, it would then go to your 2nd preference or 3rd, 4th etc. Hope that helped your understanding! I advise you to go to the major parties websites and check policy, as debates like this are mostly irrelevant.
The real question is, why is Basil the host??? The worst host ever.
Very poor debate format. WTF was annoying Baz doing there anyway!!! Got bored within the first 10 mins.. Channel 7 probably watch a US Presidential debate or two for some pointers ..
We needed Dennis Commetti! He would have been centimetre perfect!
Ok I'm sorry to say but Labors wage increase is pure stupidity. In no economy, does a wage increase and job security both work in harmony. A wage increase will force businesses to hire less staff and force increases in production costs on to consumers. Alternatively a tax cut from the liberals will see more aggregate demand in the economy, which is much more favourable.
A lack of action on climate change will see no economy at all because society will fall apart
anonymous patriot correct and I agree, but the fix to climate change is not a government policy, but rather a societal attitude.
Oscar Wilde notice how I said a pay increase doesn't help. With a pay increase, cost of productions for businesses Increase. These increases are passed on to consumers which cause inflation in the economy. This further erodes purchasing power of consumers and the real value of their wage is worth less. So in essence, a pay increase is pointless and a tax bracket cut is far more beneficial.
Mind you Shorten is not even sharing how much he is increasing wages by.
@@LTCTTM Economics 101. An increase in the basic wage (people at the lowest end of the pay scales) does something that tax cuts to the higher end of the pay scales does not do. It provides almost immediate economic stimulus. Why? Because most of that increase gets spent in the economy almost immediately - buying goods & services they could not afford and really wanted. More goods & services are consumed, more tax (at least some GST), more turnover for businesses, more demand, more profit, those businesses similarly spend more with their suppliers, etc etc - multiplier effect. Those tax cuts - nice for those who get them - but what do they do with them. They probably have no immediate needs (goods & services) and would probably have a think before making purchases of gratification - so that money goes nowhere - at least for a while. It might just sit in savings or investments and never reach the every day economy. Bottom line - if you want the economy to move the best place for stimulus is the lower end - and everyone gets the benefit. Trickle down is just that - a trickle - no good for anyone except the people at the top who control the trickle - one drip at a time....
Except if lower end pay scale people get too pricey then the incentive is for more automation which is coming at a clip. People(labour) will be replaced by machines and no Ned Ludd this time around. @@Michael_CS615
I admire Bill Shorten's calm approach to the debate unlike Scott Morrisons, even after he was cut off multiple times whilst trying to better explain his policy, in a way, this provides a view of his mentality towards real unhesitating change
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Unemployment= if you work 5hrs a week you are classed as employed. what we all need to look at is the underemployment rate. It's currently at 20%.
Is that official? I heard it was even you work 1 hour a week.
@@idriscam i heard 1 hour also.
Yes unemployment is the best problem seriously, most jobs are casual is not stable at all, you work one or two days a week sometime they never roster u, & the cost of living is high.
Please never host a debate again, Channel 7.
I get a footy show vibe with this debate.
Australia need TRUMP to solve it !
Mr Shorten, why do you want to raise minimum wage? You know this is a road to nowhere.
By raising minimum wages, the cost of living always goes up, not down. The money to pay those wages has to come from somewhere, so it always comes from increased prices of goods and services.
But this suits you. As tax is paid as a percentage, an increase in wages with no decrease in taxation means a large increase in revenue with no relief for the poor.
Reduction of taxes reduces cost of living. This is well known and very obvious. Bringing back import taxes on foreign goods would more than cover any shortfall and would also make Australian made products competitive in the local market again.
Mr Shorten, why do you want to rip off Aussies?
Reduction of tax also decreases funding for crucial infrastructure and public services. It causes the economy to stagnate. Economic growth doesn't come without any risks. The increase in wages for the lower class causes a redistribution of power and wealth within the economy
@@ManCatCheese This does not work. Reduction of tax INCREASES funding.
The Trump administration has proven this hands down.
The reduction in commercial tax has been highly effective at stimulating the economy. This, combined with import tariffs has encouraged production to return to the USA. This means jobs. Lots of jobs.
Because there are so many more people working, there are many more people paying income tax. Also, there is a big reduction in the cost of social security payments. On top of these, tax revenue from the border tariffs is huge. The money made from the import tariffs allows reductions in income tax which offsets the increase in costs of imported goods.
It is a very old business model that is forever successful. Instead of a government trying to maximise profit from each individual through high taxation, having a much larger number of people working and therefore paying tax always leads to a far stronger economy.
Look at a company like Walmart. Each item only has a very small profit margin. Because they sell so many products all over America, the total profit of the company is huge. Oil companies are the same. Mining companies too. The profit margin on every unit of oil or mineral sold is very small but they move billions of units every year and therefore the profits add up fast.
This is why Toyota is more profitable than Ferrari. Ferrari only manufactures small volumes of cars at high profit per car. Toyota manufactures huge volumes of cars at low profit. Low profit, high volume always wins.
Low tax, high employment always wins for exactly the same reasons.
That's not true when its big business like woolies, coles, BHP, Rio Tinto ect the increase in wages comes out of the profits. These companies make huge profits and lowering a wage increases that profit. Its a myth about trickle-down economics.
The fact is when you give more money to low income workers THEY SPEND IT! when rich people get more money they keep it (Or put it into real estate) and it doesn't go back into the economy.
@rtyrty12 If that is directed at me, thank you for such a gracious compliment! I'm genuinely humbled by that!
@@tanuhudson3877 more consumers buy overseas you moron 15 yrs , why is this 22% tax on good locally.
The problem with Morrison's argument on strong economy is this:
1. Liberal's have been in power for 6 years and have tripled our national deficit, while cutting spending.
2. Cooperate profits have gone up in the last 6 years, but our real wage has not gone up.
3. A SURPLUS does not help the average Australian; A surplus means a government has not done anything.
4. The Liberal talk about tax cuts, they have cut taxes for the top 1% of Australians. The person that generates that surplus in the end is the income tax payer.
5. When the Labor party was in power, Australia was 1st on the OECD economic survey. It is now... 34th out of 38...
@Viktor Ko. Finally someone who knows what they are talking about
It's hard to reduce the deficit when the crossbench in the senate won't entertain spending reductions. The last point is a reflection of how dire the global economy was ten years ago.
I agree
um. First you need to understand the difference between deficit from debt. Then maybe look at any graph of deficit over time to understand how it was Labor that racked up the debt while the Coalition that has finally stopped its rise. Then consider how mindless your whole point on this was with your comment that surplus means nothing. Holy moley. You's ain't that bright when it comes to economics.
Viktor Ko
These points you listed are contentious and could take pages to debate. Seriously, it gives no indication at all about performance of this government. There are myriads of factors and contexts for debate and discussions. Just on your point 4. alone is flawed, look at the tax reductions in the different brackets over the years, they have been cut not only for high earners but also those on lower incomes.
They look like they’re sitting in time out on those chairs 😂😂
Channel 7 you are literally cooked
The so called "leaders debate" with only 2 political parties being represented on stage. The worst part was how much they rushed both leaders through the questions not giving them time to actually "debate " properly when more was needed to be said.
@Max Norton
That actually gives sneaky Bill chance to slither away unchallenged and creates viewer bias against Morrison
Maybe they wanted it to appear that more needed to be said when in fact it would just be more bullshit spin ..... AKA .... LIES
Know the way legislation is passed. This is the way the lower house works. If you believe in fringe policy then your senate vote is the best bet.
damn! Shorten didn't bring a shovel, he brought an excavator and buried Morrison. then he called for a cement mixer to make sure he doesn't come back
Shucks! ScoMo should have brought those abattoir chains and chain slithering Shorten to the bench ( like what the vegans did to themselves) and make Shorten tell the truth before letting him slither away!
@@engfeiyin bit late now Morrison's already buried
@@connerfox9144 O really? I saw ScoMo 'big foot' on the 'serpents head' crushing it!
@@engfeiyin you must've temporarily slipped into an alternate dimension and that's why you saw what you saw, but then slipped back into this reality were i hate to tell you but your boy is buried and gone
Did he tho?
Yes, the format of the "debate" is very poor. And it does no good to have the two leaders just repeating what they both say in their election ads.
If this debate was structured to provide an opportunity for nothing more interesting than talking points and partisan spin, to avoid any nuanced policy discussion or debate, then well done Channel 7, you nailed it.
Your channel had no business wasting this opportunity.
Stick to the footy.
@Space Jockey
It gives Bill a platform to do His salesman spin, sounds convincing but lack depth and substance
@@Esther-bp5mq Funny, that's what I thought about Morrison, no substance, no plan for the future, just fear mongering.
@Space Jockey
Haha! Either I am right or you are wrong😂😁
Welcome to election campaigns. Look at long term political sorry performance in the lower house and make your decision based on your future interests
Hey Australia!! Guess what??? There are more than just two parties to choose from. Wake up!!!
ScoMo's opening statement was just a huge list of lies
You lied didn't you.
scomo lost me the second he said australia is the best country in the world.
WHAT?? I thought it was. Where u live Connor Manus?
@@shivaghazal just cause i live in aus doesn't mean i think it's the best country in the world in fact thinking that way is kinda up your self.
@@connerfox9144 yeah that kinda talk is SO American. SCOMO is a Trump shrunk down to your thumbnail.
@@connerfox9144 Well F off to what u think is the best country. Can't stand wingeing wankers
@@shivaghazal all countries have their flaws, their really is no country that's the best, i just think its up your self to think that way, never said i hate australia or wanted to leave, learn to pick out information from a conversation
In less than ten minutes channel 7 have lost control, and ScoMo is running the questions. Poorly run debate. I hope they don’t host the next one!
Needed to sleep so turned this on. Thanks Channel 7!
Why didn't ABC Q&A host this debate? This so CRINGEY.
Feels like watching a game show / Japanese prank show
Vote Trump for prime Minister MAGA. ;)
Make Australia Great Again?
I would like to have that too.
He would be a lot better than Turnbull and Morrison
Mr shorten what do you admire about Mr Morrison and Mr Morrison... Who the hell was in charge of the questions here??
I think it's a pretty valid point. A good leader can see the good in their enemy. A good leader can see the grey areas. How good can a leader be if they cant acknowledge or even see the good points from their opposition?
I don't think those questions were relevant in a national debate on policies and how it will affect individuals
Best question all debate.
This question was directly ripped from the 2016 US Presidential debate when Clinton and Trump had to respond to the same thing.
@@anonymouspatriot9124 What's your point?
Why reform of negative gearing and housing affordability is not even discussed at all? This is supposed to be one of the really most important issues for a lot of Australians.
"We all agree Australia is the best country in the world" WTF no we don't first statement is a lie, way to set the tone.
worst country in the world for middle class , since bob hawke was elected prime minister 80s
Incorrect
Scott is subconsciously preping you to think everything is fine....goodluck
We are slightly better than Kazakhstan in education. We are not the best. 😂
THANK YOU CHANNEL 7 FOR AN OPEN CHAT !
Running the country is not a reality tv show
we all agree that I, Scott Morrison am an pentacostal christian with my head up my ahmm. We all know that i can cherry pick a bunch of numbers to make it look like i can manage money. But what i wont tell you is that i can't actually do anything about global capital, except privatize more stuff, and dig up more public assets and sell them off for next to nothing... we all know you can trust me as far as anyone could trust Barnaby to do the right thing for the Murray Darling. so everything i saw about money is a kind of pathetic fillibuster because i havent got anything to say.....
What's wrong with him being an evengelical christian?
@@Dunduckuty Nothing wrong with being religious but lots of evangelicals are controlled by conservatives
No figures in mind, but let's just do it, that's what Shorten really means.
He is a man of action. Morrison is all talk, no action.
@@lightningalex2235 That's called Action Blindly.
Ozsharpener *acting blindly 🤦♂️
Bill not answering the questions about the cost of his policies AGAIN... we want an answer Bill...
@Since when by refusing to answer any questions. Bill avoids discussing the costs because if the public knew, it would not vote them in. You dont think its important???
@Since when Australia produces .08 percent of worldwide carbon emissions. Im all for transitioning to renewable s over time, but not at the complete annihilation of our economy which when compared to the rest of the world, our environmental impact would be a piss in the ocean.. It is a fair question. How much am I going to lose in new taxes like death taxes, carbon taxes to make such a minimal world wide effect??? How much will Bills plan cost our country?
@Since when are you normal? if we want change then stop all coal exports. where will Australia fill the $50 BILLION gap ??????
when the government and news are not treating the country seriously, a game show? The winner rewards to rule Australia? Sad for people suffering the foolishness.
Awful format and the sound effects and graphics laughable. Neither leader knocked it out of the park, but only Shorten had detail behind his policy plans. Morrison seemed generally more polished, but his entire policy platform appears to be "lower taxes" without any detail, and spent more time talking about the dangers of Labor than his own vision. Shorten by a fair margin.
Stuff this, I'm moving to uzbekistan to herd goats.
Great. I will pay for your ticket. Let another refugee who wants to live here in
@@Scottae89 😂😂😂
Why not Somalia, to become a swashbucklin pirate?
@@serpinfingers2819 i hear swashbucklin is good this time of year.
How do you "swashbuckle"
40:27 when they both move their heads hahahahah just caught me off guard when u skip to it
In all honesty was Kevin Rudd truly responsible for the global financial crises of 2007, or did he really manage to prevent the Australian economy from collapsing altogether by implemented strategies to keep Australia workers working in order to to keep the Australian economy strong and from falling off a cliff into a deep recession and the likelihood of heading into a major global depression, which appeared to be at the time a very close call from my recollection.
U know bill is corrupted when he can't answer a simple question on the cost of his climate change and tax cost
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HELLO FROM AMERICA LOL BILL IS FAR LEFT LOONEY GOOD JOB AUSTRALIA FOR ELECTING SCOTT
I walked away from some of Chris Hansons greatest hits and UA-cam auto played this...
13:25 - If you don't know who to vote for yet, just eat the ballot paper.
Overall on Policy, I would say Shorten won.
Shorten. Mister "non answer" his policy is good teeth for elderly 👴😂
No way, they will choke
Morrison was great. Shorten BRBRBRBR
We are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with Leaders in Australia.
Myxi ...how about Costello?...yeah it sounds good...Abbott n Costello...show!
The leader is somewhat irrelevant, especially on camera. Their ability to operate/control their party is what's key. Vote policy, not personality.
I just checked that United Australian party and looks fantastic Clive says he will increase the pension by 150 a fortnight is that just old aged pensions or including disability pensions as well?
@@mindfulclarity169 The United Australia party is nothing but a political Capital grab by Clive Palmer to enact policies which benefit his businesses. Please don't be tricked by him, he owes his workers unpaid wages in the millions and is a genuine crook. His policies are also a facade as they're hollow and don't have a genuine plan. He does not hold your interests and will not act on his promises. If you're a regular pensioner you're best to vote for Labor.
@@mindfulclarity169 Clive Palmer is a grifting liar.
The Prime Minister is sharp and really utilised his time to discredit Billy boi
You mean evil
@@lightningalex2235 you may consider his views evil, but his ability to express and exert them, is what was crucial in this debate.
Ramez F So, it doesn’t matter that Hitler was evil, all that mattered was his ability to express and exert his views. Same applies to Kim Jong Un and Putin
I'm merely outlining his debating style. Btw, this is why the left will continue to lose, equating everyone and everything to Hitler and nazis 🤣😄.
Ramez F It is a pretty accurate comparison. 😂😂
Its been over 1 year, and I still can't get over the stools. 🤦♂️
Wages - our under diversified low complexity economy is driven largely by domestic spending, our population is quite indebted, it's relatively harder and more expensive to run a business in Australia. Inflation is now 0 and central bank interest @1.5%. I don't see how you can just "increase wages". More likely to see benefits increase and "helicopter money" as it's not likely going to come from your employment.
Bill shorten has a smug smirk like Ramsay Bolton
Shorten knifed Rudd, then his good “friend” Gillard and voted Rudd back in !!! “TRUST” lol give me a spell
ScumMo knifed Tony Abbott, then his good "friend" Turnbul and got HIMSELF voted in !!! "TRUST"
lol the hypocrisy is rich
are you for real? scomo did the exact same thing
@@connerfox9144 yeah but worse 'cause he pretended he was the innocent one supporting Malcolm. If he stopped lying his mouth would close over and he'd be forced to speak with his one remaining orifice
does anyone actually want to here the same 2 parties debating. Why dont they actually include everyone running.
This 2 party preferred system is junk where are the other party leaders
They're irrelevant in the House of Reps..
@@fearhungerpride Adam Bandt is irrelevant?
@@jackgray4491 pretty much
They aren't going to win government and become prime minister.
Adam bandt isn't even a party leader let alone a potential pm
I watched the debate last night i thought it was very interesting and even though i want bill shorten to win he looked and sounded very nervous and after careful consideration i thought that Scott Morrison won the debate
we must've been watching 2 different debates cause shorten buried and made a fool of morrison
conner fox I think Morrison won. Bill was stuttering
Why isnt australians talking about how to keep the young australian inside australia? I mean a LOT of young australians that are in uni are finding that job markets in Australia are just not as attractive as overseas like US especially in the new technology industries.
Shorten was the PM we deserved
no
Scott Morrison is great! He's honest, has never told lies, looks after the workers and has integrity and values. He's the best Prime Minister ever! and just what this country needs to get back on it's feet.
He clearly won this debate. He's a true leader and perfect for the role of Prime Minister.
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There are more people running than just liberal and labor. Yes one of them will probably win, but you should have The other party leaders there as well. Or did channel 7 only pay lobby money to liberal and labor? I would never vote for the greens, but even they deserve to have a spot and let the people of Australia be the judge at the ballot box.
very true
Shorten will destroy Australia...
What drugs are you on?
Flip of the coin? why don’t you just ball it up Basil. what a joke 😂
They should just do this on youtube. Pewdiepie would ask more hard hitting questions lol
"We all agree that Austrlia is the best country in the world." Yeah right, that's like saying you and your government is effective.
No it doesn’t.
Australia is the best country in the world regardless which government is in power.
@@vasilileung2204 as an Australian, living in Australia, that was born here, no it's not.
Jonathan McCaffrey I like it.
But the point I’m trying to make is, the standard of Australia as a country has been pretty consistent since federation, right?
And that consistency is not so much subjected to which government is in power, compared to let’s say, a change of government in 1949 China, 1975 Rhodesia, Khmer Rouge etc.
@@averageGoat_meh_eh_eh_eh Have you ever been outside Australia? This country is heaven compared to some.
@@joshyj12345 yes, I have.
The more money you "earn" the more money you deserve to keep, he has my vote. Whilst labour voters who wasted their eduction to become tradies believe its unfair and "deserve" more wages phhh i wonder why Australia doesn't make ANYTHNG any more.
What garbage you write Rhys C.
@@Travelingman-1980 What you put in is what you get out. Some people need help, and I understand that, BUT a houso sitting at home getting high every day shouldn't be a beneficiary of the guy who sacrificed a lot to get to the top.
Hi Rhys, I know this is an old comment, but do you not agree that tradies are an important part of society, that we cannot operate as a nation without them, that they are very skilled in their specialised fields, and have often highly dangerous jobs which they should be compensated for? I do not agree that people 'wasted' their education by going to trade school. Some people are not interested in academia and not everyone has to be part of the professional managerial class. In fact, the people you look down on in society are actually the most important to keep our country running, the pandemic has proved this.
@@clairepanrucker5413 That is very true in what you say, and I most certainly agree. What my argument is, if you want to earn a surgeons wage or a CEOs you must put the work in for that particular field. And when you have people (mostly labour) that work in a separate field who work hard in a most admirable way yet do not position themselves in a position where their actions lead directly to profits in the millions but want to be compensated in the same way they clearly are wrong in asking for such compensation even if what they are doing is clearly admirable. And as such, if you want to earn the same as the people that put themselves in more profitable situations yet do not, you clearly wasted your opportunity of education. Because labour and the greens want to take MOST of the wages that profitable workers earn and give it in the form of resources to the people that did not earn such wages. Which is great within reason because we all need resources such as health care, but in the degree to which labour want it, it becomes my argument of if you want MOST of the profitable wage earners money then you can't have it because THEY EARNED IT by putting themselves in a situation you could have done so yourself. And as such, you will need to live off your own wage and the resources the government give you that is far beyond reasonable in this country because you choose your path and can't have my money!.
@@rhyscampbell8394 Thanks for replying Rhys, and I understand where you're coming from, however I really don't think anyone is arguing for tradies, teachers, nurses, childcare workers, waiters etc. to earn the same as doctors, lawyers or ceos. However, someone like Gina Rinehart, who has inherited her wealth which she then invested in the mining boom, thus making billions more dollars, now has amassed of wealth of 24 billion dollars. On my teachers salary, I would have to work for literally 300,000 years to EARN that much money. Gina Rinehart has not earned her money, she inherited it. Now I don't expect her and other billionaires to give away all their money, but it is pointless for them to hoard so much of it, where it isn't circulating the economy. By the way, Gina Rinehart pays less tax than you do. Rupert Murdoch redacted his Australian citizenship to avoid paying taxes here, and yet continues to influence politics greatly through his newspapers. I'm sure you earned your money, doctors who earn 400,000 a year have earned their money, no one is denying that, but the liberals continue to cut taxes on millionaires and billionaires in this country, so that those people will then line their own pockets. It's not just unfair, it's bad economics.
Ironic to talk about migration, legal or not, while it’s legal to outsource work overseas. Change that and the Centerlink queue will halve.
Exactly. They are not showing the true picture. All they do is blame immigrants and poor people.
Low taxes don't help when the cost of living is so high anyway.
Low taxes means you pay less, using common sense I think that is a big help.
Ramone Dallas High migration, high cost of living. Low wage growth. Low taxes won't help most people save money.
@@scottmorrison466 10% -20% tax on consumption +high custom fees at the port , 13% -51% tax on cars .High taxes on Consumption is the problem 35 yrs since bob hawke 45% wholesale tax and 20% tarrifs the liberals have trimmed it down. , In Usa some states pay no Consumption taxes
Shorten's message preaches good but, Morrison's message has substance!.
That he keeps preaching a budget surplus? Any credible economist will say it doesn't matter if you're in Dept it matters why you're in debt. Labor isn't preaching a budget surplus because it isn't indicative of economic growth. You need to spend money to make money basically.
Michael Wilson look I'll tell you something for free... let Morrison build the surplus in the next four years so that labor can spend it all! ...and so the cycle continues, right?
Channel 7 lost this debate
Answer the damn questions, weasel Shorten!
scomo easily won that
A Liberal voter either don't care about politics or lack political insight.
@@d00mch1ld No, Shorten was shifty and lying. Australia can't afford Bill.
@@EliMaynard I rather a government that is willing to implement policies that benefits the working class. Morrison cares more about his donors and would rather do less for you while he spends that time entertaining his donors. When Australia votes conservative, Australia gets left behind, the Liberals have not done anything to progress Australia in the last 6 years, you have to be blind to not see that.
ScoMo only looked good cause Shorten was being defensive. Plibasek or Albo would have exposed ScoMo as the the dodgy, used car salesman that he is.
@@d00mch1ld Labor policies always sound good but they don't consider the consequences nor of how they exactly pay for it. Labor is for people with short term thinking, Liberal/Conservatives for people with future long term thinking.
It doesn't matter how you vote, this time next year there's going to be a different priminister. More warranty on socks.
Billy would have been a disaster. So arrogant too.
Bill Shorten is clearly more professional than ScoMo
Morrison 8 Shorten 3
But they are paying tax - the company pays tax, gives some to the owner (shareholder) that is below the tax free threshold, well, they have paid a tax.
Conservatives win again, congratulations Australia
It is amazing how often you hear the term stable government. I have little confidence in the stability of either party. As soon as popularity starts to drop in the polls the knives will come out.. The last 12 years have been a laughing stock from both sides of government. Labor also want the best of everything as Bill stated. To have the best of everything you have to be either very wealthy to afford the cost, or borrow more than you can afford.
Bill don't let them pluck your eyebrows ...you look suprised all the time
He was just surprised that Morrison is the world’s biggest liar.
i dont understand how Bill was better than Morrison in this debate, All Bill did was to point how bad current government is doing without mentioning any clear plan or budget of their plan, God knows how much their climate plan will cost and how it will make us more poor, at least Liberal has a clear vision
It is pretty obvious that Bill Shorten and his colleagues haven't done any math for their policies. Shorten can't remember any numbers because there are actually no numbers by them.
Not a big fan of either..
Labor and open boarders, higher taxes, etc
Libs no job security , etc
Can anyone find two parties that will actually get a crap about australians, jobs, debt, and stop bowing to the UN, and other countries
The Great Australia Party (not Clives party).. there's one :)
Labor want to raise taxes on corporations and very high income. They're progressive, wish to actually combat climate change and have always been for the working class. If you're a middle earning worker then you'd vote Labor without question.
Vote policy over personality.
@@TREXX8111 Won't vote for those Lab/Grns, they're bums.. infact, wont vote for any Major.. will be putting them last.
@@sypher0101 The Great Australia Party is a decent 1st choice, but if you're a middle class earner with a full time job or have children you should really preference Labor second. I understand a lot of misinformation has been spread around, but Labor really aren't a bad party.
If I were to vote, I’d vote Scott Morris - Bill shorten is the type of person who would promise you anything to get your vote - World economy is at its difficult time, I really don’t think a lot of Shorten’s policy would work at this time. Also more welfare & tax cut? it’s simply impossible you have to have money to back up your welfare that means more tax - by saying tax we all know it’s going to be on middle class hard working people because those on centerlink payments don’t pay tax, those people o at the top have tax evasion systems - Borrowing money overseas is difficult than before as the world economy is not good. If bill shorten is next pm, I could see the most difficult time for AU people that will ever be
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Adrian Smith thank you
Why dont both parties work together? ... oh wait ... would shatter the illusion ;)