Buddy Hield probably has the best chance of cracking that top 10. Maybe Trae Young, but he's more in the James-Harden-volume-shooter mold. Keeping my eye on Keegan Murray and Jordan Hawkins if they can play for another decade and develop more offensive primacy and higher usage.
Curry is #1 but just cuz the wake ass no d# NBA. If he played in 80s and 90s he wouldn't be wide open. He behind Reggie, Bird, Ray, Rice, Richmond, Stockton, Price, and most point guards during that time. The first 2 I mentioned would be the best players in the NBA now. Bird dropping at least 8 3's a game. The kid now need to do there homework. No free shots no weak layups and don't try to dunk if u don't want to get hit. Kidz to soft now!!!!!!!!
He was supposed to be on there. I think my editor just made a mistake, because in the email I sent him, Nash is literally the first guy on the honorable mentions list 🤣 It’s ok, he’s still my guy and awesome at what he does. Just know that Nash is there in spirit. Lol. Now as for Mark Price, that was my screw up. I simply forgot to include him on the honorables list, but he should be on there too.
@@jonnyarnett My Top 10 three point shooters of all time: #1 Steph Curry #2 Reggie Miller #3 Klay Thompson #4 Ray Allen #5 Larry Bird #6 Glen Rice #7 Mark Price #8 Kyle Korver #9 Dirk Nowitzski #10 Steve Kerr
@@jonnyarnett I was just about to mention this lol. There's an argument for top 10, but I figured he'd at least be an honorable mention. Glad it's not just me lol. Great vids btw, big fan, keep em up!
Always great stuff. Definitely missing a name though. Mark Price. First player to average 40% on over 5 attempts and it took a few years for the next person to do it. Could pull up on a dime after flying. Off picks, bail outs. Also won back to back contests. Not even honorable mention seems a bit egregious haha.
I KNOW, I screwed up, plain and simple! My editor put him in with the footage, and when I saw that, I was like DANG IT! I didn’t include him in the honorable mentions. That’s just my mistake though. He doesn’t suddenly become a less great shooter because my dumb self forgot to include him 😂
@@jonnyarnettYEP. Was JUST going to post this. Before the injury, Price was a PROBLEM. The precursor to, and probably WOULD have been the second 50/40/90 MODERN player…INSANELY Efficient….could pretty much do everything Steph could do (highly underrated handle, and one of the QUICKEST players I’ve ever seen between the FT lines), just wasn’t given the latitude…WAY before his time….if he stayed healthy, DEFINITELY HOFer….he was a better shooter than Ray (47/40/90) while at his peak, shot roughly HALF the attempts (4 to 8). Footnote : also, the player that John Stockton LOATHED playing against…he couldn’t solve him lol. And actually…it’s arguable that he SHOULD be above Bird on this list : he made over 300 more three pointers, attempted 700 more, but in one less season, over 150 less games, AND on higher efficiency.
Paul George ranks 12th all time in 3 pointers, has a career 38.4% on 7 attempts per game, has 3 seasons of shooting above 40% on 7+ attempts (not counting this season where he’s shooting 42% on almost 9 attempts per game) has finished in the top 6 in 3 pointers 3 times and is great at pull ups, step backs, and creating his own shot for threes but can’t get an honorable mention 😹😹😹
Mark Price is an underrated NBA player. Few players have ever been better at shooting the ball than Mark Price, who might have fared even better had he played a decade later in an era that more heavily promoted long-range attempts. Nonetheless, he shot 47.2 percent from the field throughout his career and joins Steve Nash as one of only two qualified players in NBA history who made both 40 percent of their triples and 90 percent of their freebies. Plus, he's a member of the 50-40-90 club, working his way in during the 1987-88 season. Price, legendary shooter that he was, is ultimately held back from even higher placement due to his all-around limitations and a dearth of playoff success. When his shot wasn't falling, it was tough for him to make a huge impact, and he only advanced as far as the Eastern Conference Finals once in his enduringly impressive career.
-- A couple of years ago, I watched some Price highlights, and I'd be damned. He's real nice. At 6', that man could get buckets. Even Detroit great Isaiah Thomas was like: Price was the first guy to split the defense.
@@jlui21 Price schooled Iverson in his rookie year, then Iverson became MVP, but in that very physical NBA of the 80s and 90s, only the two of them at 6 feet tall managed to open defenses like that
I'll never forget when Bird won that 3-point contest without taking off his warm-ups. The second the last shot left his hands, he turned and rose a victorious index finger. Saw it on Inside Stuff one Saturday; it was outstanding.
I hate to say it but it makes perfect sense. I've been watching the NBA for 33 years. I make comments and get the worst and most toxic insults from people who I am sure that I've been watching the game since before they were even born. Most NBA fan's are not educated fans who have a very poor understanding of the game. Johnny, has a great understanding of the game. I think that his takes go over the heads of a lot of NBA fans. IMO, he's one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable UA-camrs around when it comes to NBA ball. Thinking Basketball is also on his level, but they are so focused on analytics. Too much IMO. Johnny uses the eye test and still sees the greatness of players.
I like the balanced take on Bird. He's undoubtedly a victim of his era when it comes to this list, and I believe he'd be a top 3 shooter if he played in the modern era. Being the guy who wants to take that shot when it counts and everything is on the line is also an important quality, but I realize that's impossible to quantify.
I don’t think so. I think he’d be more like kd where he’d take more threes but still not at a ridiculous volume as opposed to taking more mid ranges with the advantage in height he’d have.
@@TheIcemanthomas I agree with you. I didn't mean that he'd take a ridiculous amount. But he'd definitely take more and hit at a higher percentage. With his shooting efficiency over his career, I don't see him being a below 40% guy in this era.
Would love to get you back to the versus series and the "how good were they really" videos! They are so good. Would also love a top 10 position by position and a coaching top 10! Keep up the great work.
not at all larry shot threes at a less efficient rate with less coverage and horrible perimeter shooting bringing larry bird into the current era he wouldn’t be top 10 in todays league in threes
@@jasonugwu8326 Um.. k. But no one's comparing your grandma's ability to be a bike with bikes'. In this video, we're comparing 3-shooting ability between players who were guarded and those who weren't.
Great video. I am glad Peja made the list. My Dad used to say something similar to "I want Iguadola". He always said he wished Peja played for the Spurs. He was a sniper At times I think some people do research but cos they were no names they get removed off the list. I was thinking this was gonna be a generic list. Though some appear on your HM..
I can't disagree with the top guys, but Larry Bird had a lot in common with Ray Allen. He could hit from everywhere, open or with defenders all over him, any time of the game. There should be a correction factor for eras if volume of shots is a factor. Steve Kerr has the percentages, but would he really be ranked ahead of Steve Nash? Kerr would be in my Top 20, but Nash should be ahead of him because he was doing Harden-type shots at a higher percentage. The "What If..." award goes to Drazen Petrovic.
Yeah, agreed. Plus the fact that Larry was consistently double-teamed + handchecking + physical defense vs. today's you-kind-of-always-get-a-clear-shot basketball.. just not the same. Not saying Curry's not the best pure shooter, but stick him in the 80s or 90s, and things might changes, esp. given his 6'2" frame.
Drazen Petrovic was a great shooter, but he was even more than that, when he played at Šibenka, before 1984 when the three-point line was introduced in the FIBA regulations, it was like seeing Maravich at LSU, he shot over any player's head, he attacked to the basket any time and he was an exceptional passer, and he was only 19-20 years old, it's a shame that he wasn't able to translate all his qualities into the NBA, but the extremely physical basketball of the 90s limited him a lot, if he played today he would be a combo guard very similar to Doncic.
Muggsy wasn't a pure shooter, he was a true PG, and he was incredibly fast and extremely strong and athletic. Your comparison doesn't make a ton of sense. @@rogelioatempa1115
Great video as always: break down content, criterias and step by step methods and factors is what brings debates for the most part, to it's final conclusion.
Drazen Petrovic would have cracked my top 10. I would also rank players who were their team's primary scoring option significantly over role players who got more open looks from defenders leaving them, like Kerr.
@@TheIcemanthomas Johnny tends to favor peak over career longevity and even mentions this when discussing Stojakovic. With this criteria, Drazen has a case to be made especially with his career being cut short at age 28. I respect if he does not make your list but he cracks mine.
@@TheIcemanthomas More than enough, he was as good as Curry or Bird. He did play in Europe for 10 years before NBA, trust me he shares #1 with Curry and Bird
Shout out to the og shooter from the aba, loui dampier, as well as jerry west, and Pete who most believe would’ve been excellent long range shooters had they been born 15-20 years later.
Peja was so ridiculous. I loved those Kings teams, and I really do wonder what he could have done if his era put the same value on the 3 as we do today.
the only limitation I saw in Stojakovic as a shooter was in the clutch moments of the game, despite being so good and quick at shooting, I wouldn't trust him to score the last shot to win the game
I like the transitions Jonny, another great video! Also, you've been putting out great videos for around five years now, great work! You have taught me so much about the game of basketball!
I know Drazen didn't play in the NBA for a long time, but some of the shots he was making from beyond the arc where unbelievable. He was one of the original sharpshooters in the NBA. Many greats of the 90's talk about his shooting as if he was an alien. He is a carrer 43.7% three point shooter. I think he should have at least made the list.
Fantastic video as always, Jonny! I know you're trying to keep the videos reasonably short, but given the fact that you opened with the 6 criteria for ranking the players, I'd love to have seen a little more breakdown for each guy using those data points. Maybe using a scoring system? Something like: Peja Stojakovic Efficiency - OOOOO (5/5) Volume - OOO (3/5) Variety - OOOO (4/5) All-time rank - OOO (3/5) Relative to era - OOOOO (5/5) 3p Contest - OOOO (4/5) Just a thought! I think Craig Hodges deserves more love in these discussions. He's pretty forgotten nowadays, but if he played in the modern era, he'd be hitting 5 3's per game. Loved the video.
Great work! I wish Coop could’ve played in today’s era. He was tailor-made for the 3 and D. Belongs in the honorable mentions, but man… would’ve been insane today!
Lillard really shouldn't be on this list in my opinion. He has volume and range, but lacks efficiency. I would take someone like Paul George over him any day.
I like this list, and how it takes lots of things into account. I would put Peja over Korver (but it's not like Korver doesn't deserve his spot) because while he obviously didn't have Korver's efficency, Peja was a star in his team, one of the leading scorers and the guy opponent coaches were likely spending the most time during film session and while preparing defenses (him and Webber of course). During what was likely his best individual season in 2004, he was 2nd in both total points and points per game. Shame his career was caught a bit short. I would also argue about Nash being in the honorable mentions, but I already read there were editing problems there. Also, not sure if it was an intended joke or not considering his season so far, but I kinda laughed when, talking about Klay Thompson, you said "over his career, he shot 41.4%" as if he was retired already.
Much respect for putting Michael Cooper in the honorable mentions list. For a 3&D player, people often forget about the first half of that term with him, but he could put them in when necessary.
shout out/honorable mention to Jerry West, in the physically brutal and densely packed era of the 1970s Jerry West could score over 30 ppg shooting above 50% while regularly taking 3pt range shots just cuz he could make them. hes the first ever wing player to reach 50% efficiency and to this day is the only such player besides Curry to reach that efficiency while being a 30 point threat
Thank you for another good video. Glad to see you include Bird on this list as JJ Redick was way off on his ( just attempts and % matter) take. There is more to consider than just numbers. For those that do not know = Bird did not have a 3 point line in high school or in college and the 3 point line was new to the NBA in Bird's rookie year. Bird in his era was without a doubt the best 3 point shooter and Bird even admitted he rarely even practiced the 3 point shot. Bird's first coach, for 5 years in the NBA hated the 3. Bird in his career shot 40% or higher in 6 of his seasons and we all know Bird entered three 3 point shootouts and won all of them. Bird is difficult to rank because of how the game has changed but is without question in this discussion.
I hope you mention the disparity between the greatest shooters and the greatest 3pt shooters in this video. Arguing your ranking for the former is definitely more controversial.
From his best season to his worst, this is what birds 3P% looks like. 42.7% 42.3% 41.4% 40.6% 40.6% 40.0% 38.9% 33.3% 28.6% 27.0% 24.7% 21.7% And now his highest 3PA to his lowest 3.3 3PA 3.1 3PA 3.0 3PA 2.8 3PA 2.6 3PA 2.4 3PA 1.7 3PA 1.6 3PA 1.0 3PA 0.9 3PA 0.9 3PA 0.7 3PA It took bird 897 games to hit 649 threes. Bradley Beal isn’t even an honourable mention and he has played 721 games and he has hit 1553. 176 less games but 904 more threes made. 176 games is over 2 seasons btw. Bradley Beal is still 2 seasons away from reaching birds games played yet he has nearly already tripled the amount of threes bird has hit. Beal isn’t even seen as a great 3pt shooter, yet he dominates bird at it. Saying bird is in the top 10 of greatest shooters ever is the same as saying bill russell is the goat for winning 11 rings without any competition.
Growing up in NYC I always had a complicated relationship with Reggie Miller lol Broke many of our hearts but it was impossible to deny how good he was. That clip ya showed of DL hitting that clutch 3 and turning around to do the Dame Time was so hard. I'm not a Bucks fan or one of his stans but it was COLD, especially watching it live 🥵
Before I watch, here's my list 1. Stephen Curry 2. Ray Allen 3. Larry Bird 4. Damian Lillard 5. Reggie Miller 6. Klay Thompson 7. Kyle Korver 8. Peja Stojakovic 9. Dirk Nowitzki 10. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
@@Keegan135 He won the first three three-point contests consecutively, founding member (among 9) of the 50-40-90 club, where he has more seasons than Steph and Reggie, and where no other player on Jonny's list is a member. Check the advanced metrics and adjusted shooting data, Steph's highest adjusted 3-pt % is 130, while Larry has two at 150+. If Steph is a phenom in comparison to today's league, Bird was a monster in comparison to his. Not that cray-cray at all.
@@c99kfm that is because Bird shot 1.8 3s per game roughly, and his career average is 37%, bird is top 10 for sure, but not top 5 or better than steph. Stephs shooting is so good that he changed the league with it, bird didn’t do that
I know he isn’t top 10, but it was cool to see Thunder Dan on your list of guys that just missed the cut. Would love to see you do a video on Majerle in the future.
No offense to you in no regard but this video has been the best commentary you have put out in a while. I’m obviously a Dubs fan at the same time it makes perfect sense to put Curry and Klay at 1&3; no dynasty wouldn’t have happened with out he #SplashBrothers #Batman&Robin offensive super powers they are! Mad props to Dray for initiating the offense and being a great defensive player!
What about Mark Price? 40% for his career back to back. 3. Point shootout champion. Could hit that three-pointer in a variety of ways. He could do it coming off screens, he could do it off the dribble in transition and he could do it as a set shot.
I think there is also a great argument to be made that all three’s are not created equally. I believe that if you live by the three, you die by the three. It’s an important shot in today’s NBA but it can destroy flow and kill a possession. It is a beautiful thing when it is a clutch shot.
I personally value the comparision to their era a lot. I mean they say nobody is gonna break Stephs record, but they said the same about Reggie and Allen, the amount of 3s shot will always rise. With that said I put Reggie at the 2 and push Allen one down. Klay, despite his 3 point records, I don't think is top 5 I'd push Kyle and Dame 1 up for that, his ver much just catch and shoot and compared to his era he doesn't shoot more than both of them. And with the whole era thing, creating your own shoots etc. Bird was always the number one guarded player on his team, was the shooter in his era I think he also pushes passed Klay (and Peja).
Downplaying Klay way too much imo. Plus the logic is inconsistent: how do you put Korver above him when Klay was a star and Korver a role player, less efficient and with less defensive attention, but then proceed to gas up Bird because he was guarded more (arguable, nobody cared about guarding 3s back in the day, even if it was Bird with his 1.9 attempts per game, Klay definitely gets more attention).
@Luca-yb4sh Klay is a glorified role player and as I said for Korver the main factor there is volume compared to Era. And to say Klay gets more attention than Bird is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Yes 3s were not as tightly guarded as today but that goes for your average role player, and Klay had the best shooter ever on his team and for some time even KD both pulling defenders of him. And by the way Kyle Korver was more efficient than Klay, for their careers and peak for peak.
@@nuN00b666 Man if you look at Bird shooting 3s, he's literally coming down the court and shooting wide open, not because of schemes or off ball movement but because nobody was picking him up 75% of the time. Defenders stayed behind the line more often than not, with no sense of urgency to go and guard the 3. Incomparable in my opinion, sorry. It's just way too different, you can't do that with elite shooters nowadays or they kill the game.
I'm an old, nearing 50, so I was able to watch Larry Bird and Steph Curry in their primes. If you forced me to pick a winner head-to-head in the 3 point contest or to shoot a game winner in the Finals, I'm picking Bird over Steph every time. Does that make Bird number 1 on this list? I'm not saying that. What I am saying is I'm taking Bird over Steph (and ALL of the rest) every time in those conditions. And I would feel negligent if someone asked me who THEY should put their money on in those situations and I told them Steph over Larry.
@@Maximillian200HP You'd have to change up the argument criteria. In terms of pure shooting? No one. In terms of pure potential, and with actual defense factored in? I obviously can't say for sure, but I'd bet you if Steph had played in Bird's era, Bird would have been the better al-around 3pt shooter.. and if you put Bird in Steph's era, he could probably match him.
The Splash Brothers at 1 and 3, their coach at 10, Durant and Curry's father as Honorable Mentions. The Warriors are amazing, and had been building up for a long time
Irving should definitely be on this conversation. His carrier average is 39% from deep on 6 attempts, and he several time hits more than 40% of his shots. He also have an insane ability to create his own shot, so for me he could be legitimately a top 10 shooter.
Honorable mention should include Louie Dampier though his 3 pts shooting mostly occur in ABA.... he is definitely the OG of basketball 3 point shooting
my top 10 #10 mark price #9 Kobe Bryant #8 peja stejokvic\ #7 Steve Nash #6 Kyle Korver #5 James Harden #4 Reggie Miller #3 Ray Allen #2 Larry Bird #1 Steph Curry keep up the great work jonny
I knew Kobe haters would be in this comment before looking. I bet 15 bucks with my friends saying quote, "People gonna reply and say Kobe does not belong there." My friend said, " How much you betting. I don't think people gonna underate Kobe right?" I replied, " 15 bucks?" Other friend, ' You losing the bet." Me," Nah I know ppl gonna hate." Friend," You sure?" Me, "Yes bet>" I now am 15 bucks richer as we stared at the replies
Here's another way to look at it: your life is on the line, and you need one player to make a 3 point shot to save your very existence. Who do you want taking that shot? I choose Larry Bird. When the game was on the line, he was just that guy. Edit: Randomly, the first name I thought of was Glen Rice. One of the best college shooters I ever saw.
it’s a shame but as time goes on the great shooters of the past will continue to be overlooked as they get pushed down the record hooks because of the insane volume of threes players take now
8:13 what happened to Dale Ellis, Glenn rice and Dell Curry I think they deserve her mentioned somewhere it would be interesting to see if they had a chance to have more attempts what that would look like
My first thought before you even got into the rankings was about how Kerr should get a special nod for his still unbeaten single season and career 3p% records, with the caveat that he did that on extremely low volume. There's an argument to be made that he should be an unranked honorable mention because of the low volume, which probably significantly boosted his percentages.
I'd put Bird at 5 just under Reggie. Shot 50/40/90 taking insanely difficult shots, and attempting crazy game winners. Maybe Steve Nash over Kerr at 10 as well.
Your top 10 seems very good to me! I have a few different choices but not that much. To me, the top 2 spots are not up for debate, and the order between 3 & 4 can be, but that's that. I have Bird and Nash higher, but other than that, no beef with your list. 1. Curry 2. Ray 3. Miller 4. Klay 5. Lillard 6. Harden 7. Bird 8. Korver 9. George 10. Nash Peja is not far behind but he didn't shoot as much for as long as some other names, and was almost exclusively a spot-up shooter. Rashard Lewis is another name that can come to mind. Buddy Hield, JJ Redik and Mike Miller too.
Man, I checked the career stats and I think you forgot the plumber. Hornacek had even volume! Agree with Nash honorable mention being fair, even if just because inspiring Steph, that could be the 7th category :)
Is there anyone in the league today who's on their way to cracking the Top 10?
Paul George
It's VERY early but Haliburton has some potential
Buddy Hield probably has the best chance of cracking that top 10. Maybe Trae Young, but he's more in the James-Harden-volume-shooter mold. Keeping my eye on Keegan Murray and Jordan Hawkins if they can play for another decade and develop more offensive primacy and higher usage.
Trae could get there if his shot selection improves, his talent level and raw shooting ability is up there
Steve nash didnt even get an honorable mention 😱
You honestly could’ve ended the video with “And at number 1 is Steph Curry” and just have the video end abruptly.
You're right
Shoot don’t make a video at all you can look that up already mynameisjeff duh
Like he did with Michael Jordan😂
Hahaha facts
Curry is #1 but just cuz the wake ass no d# NBA. If he played in 80s and 90s he wouldn't be wide open. He behind Reggie, Bird, Ray, Rice, Richmond, Stockton, Price, and most point guards during that time. The first 2 I mentioned would be the best players in the NBA now. Bird dropping at least 8 3's a game. The kid now need to do there homework. No free shots no weak layups and don't try to dunk if u don't want to get hit. Kidz to soft now!!!!!!!!
I feel like Steve Nash should be on the list, at least honorable mention with a 42 Three Point Percentage for his whole career.
He was supposed to be on there. I think my editor just made a mistake, because in the email I sent him, Nash is literally the first guy on the honorable mentions list 🤣 It’s ok, he’s still my guy and awesome at what he does.
Just know that Nash is there in spirit. Lol. Now as for Mark Price, that was my screw up. I simply forgot to include him on the honorables list, but he should be on there too.
@@jonnyarnett My Top 10 three point shooters of all time:
#1 Steph Curry
#2 Reggie Miller
#3 Klay Thompson
#4 Ray Allen
#5 Larry Bird
#6 Glen Rice
#7 Mark Price
#8 Kyle Korver
#9 Dirk Nowitzski
#10 Steve Kerr
@@lilpenny1982 good list
@@jonnyarnett I was just about to mention this lol. There's an argument for top 10, but I figured he'd at least be an honorable mention. Glad it's not just me lol. Great vids btw, big fan, keep em up!
@@lilpenny1982 Your top 5 is completely in line with mine. The clutch aspect of these players' three point shooting should not be overlooked.
Always great stuff.
Definitely missing a name though. Mark Price.
First player to average 40% on over 5 attempts and it took a few years for the next person to do it.
Could pull up on a dime after flying. Off picks, bail outs.
Also won back to back contests.
Not even honorable mention seems a bit egregious haha.
I KNOW, I screwed up, plain and simple! My editor put him in with the footage, and when I saw that, I was like DANG IT! I didn’t include him in the honorable mentions. That’s just my mistake though. He doesn’t suddenly become a less great shooter because my dumb self forgot to include him 😂
Dale Ellis is a Top Ten Three Point Shooter
-Dale Ellis
-Mark Price
-Glen Rice... deserve to be on the list
@@jonnyarnettYEP.
Was JUST going to post this.
Before the injury, Price was a PROBLEM.
The precursor to, and probably WOULD have been the second 50/40/90 MODERN player…INSANELY Efficient….could pretty much do everything Steph could do (highly underrated handle, and one of the QUICKEST players I’ve ever seen between the FT lines), just wasn’t given the latitude…WAY before his time….if he stayed healthy, DEFINITELY HOFer….he was a better shooter than Ray (47/40/90) while at his peak, shot roughly HALF the attempts (4 to 8).
Footnote : also, the player that John Stockton LOATHED playing against…he couldn’t solve him lol.
And actually…it’s arguable that he SHOULD be above Bird on this list : he made over 300 more three pointers, attempted 700 more, but in one less season, over 150 less games, AND on higher efficiency.
Paul George should have made honorable mention as well.
Paul George ranks 12th all time in 3 pointers, has a career 38.4% on 7 attempts per game, has 3 seasons of shooting above 40% on 7+ attempts (not counting this season where he’s shooting 42% on almost 9 attempts per game) has finished in the top 6 in 3 pointers 3 times and is great at pull ups, step backs, and creating his own shot for threes but can’t get an honorable mention 😹😹😹
right? and kobe gets an honorable mention with a career 32% on 4 attempts...
probably cause when he started out in the league he was a pretty bad shooter idk thats the only thing i can think of because he deserves it
The list on this channel seem to have a specific unmentionable bias 😂
@AhmeenTheDreamA few good nights aren't what I would look for on that list. Nash, PG is far better for honorable mention (if not being top 10)
@AhmeenTheDream Ahh yes 1 game out of 1400.
Mark Price is an underrated NBA player.
Few players have ever been better at shooting the ball than Mark Price, who might have fared even better had he played a decade later in an era that more heavily promoted long-range attempts.
Nonetheless, he shot 47.2 percent from the field throughout his career and joins Steve Nash as one of only two qualified players in NBA history who made both 40 percent of their triples and 90 percent of their freebies. Plus, he's a member of the 50-40-90 club, working his way in during the 1987-88 season.
Price, legendary shooter that he was, is ultimately held back from even higher placement due to his all-around limitations and a dearth of playoff success. When his shot wasn't falling, it was tough for him to make a huge impact, and he only advanced as far as the Eastern Conference Finals once in his enduringly impressive career.
curry is also a career 40/90 player
Price deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, period 🤩
-- A couple of years ago, I watched some Price highlights, and I'd be damned. He's real nice. At 6', that man could get buckets.
Even Detroit great Isaiah Thomas was like: Price was the first guy to split the defense.
@@jlui21 Price schooled Iverson in his rookie year, then Iverson became MVP, but in that very physical NBA of the 80s and 90s, only the two of them at 6 feet tall managed to open defenses like that
I'll never forget when Bird won that 3-point contest without taking off his warm-ups.
The second the last shot left his hands, he turned and rose a victorious index finger.
Saw it on Inside Stuff one Saturday; it was outstanding.
Hey Jonny! Can you do a "top 10 best, two way players?" LAST I really enjoy your educational videos 😊
Mamba Status !!
Makes NO SENSE that Johnny doesn't have 1 million subs.
Quality content on a consistent basis.
Only a matter of time I guess.
Fr he’s a top tennnba commentator
Well he does tend to get opinionated sometimes but I guess it comes with running a UA-cam channel based on takes.
I hate to say it but it makes perfect sense. I've been watching the NBA for 33 years. I make comments and get the worst and most toxic insults from people who I am sure that I've been watching the game since before they were even born. Most NBA fan's are not educated fans who have a very poor understanding of the game. Johnny, has a great understanding of the game. I think that his takes go over the heads of a lot of NBA fans. IMO, he's one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable UA-camrs around when it comes to NBA ball. Thinking Basketball is also on his level, but they are so focused on analytics. Too much IMO. Johnny uses the eye test and still sees the greatness of players.
He doesn't cover drama. Ball is life with ole buddy✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
I like the balanced take on Bird. He's undoubtedly a victim of his era when it comes to this list, and I believe he'd be a top 3 shooter if he played in the modern era. Being the guy who wants to take that shot when it counts and everything is on the line is also an important quality, but I realize that's impossible to quantify.
I don’t think so. I think he’d be more like kd where he’d take more threes but still not at a ridiculous volume as opposed to taking more mid ranges with the advantage in height he’d have.
@@TheIcemanthomas I agree with you. I didn't mean that he'd take a ridiculous amount. But he'd definitely take more and hit at a higher percentage. With his shooting efficiency over his career, I don't see him being a below 40% guy in this era.
Would love to get you back to the versus series and the "how good were they really" videos! They are so good. Would also love a top 10 position by position and a coaching top 10! Keep up the great work.
If Reggie Miller,Larry Bird and Ray Allen were allowed to shoot 3'ssssss like Curry does it would be a different ball game
i would expect that Miller would have the record still if that was the case
If my Grandma had wheels she would’ve been a bike
not at all larry shot threes at a less efficient rate with less coverage and horrible perimeter shooting bringing larry bird into the current era he wouldn’t be top 10 in todays league in threes
@@jasonugwu8326 Um.. k. But no one's comparing your grandma's ability to be a bike with bikes'. In this video, we're comparing 3-shooting ability between players who were guarded and those who weren't.
@@Xenon-h9z You are a 🤖
Great video. I am glad Peja made the list.
My Dad used to say something similar to "I want Iguadola". He always said he wished Peja played for the Spurs. He was a sniper
At times I think some people do research but cos they were no names they get removed off the list.
I was thinking this was gonna be a generic list. Though some appear on your HM..
I can't disagree with the top guys, but Larry Bird had a lot in common with Ray Allen. He could hit from everywhere, open or with defenders all over him, any time of the game.
There should be a correction factor for eras if volume of shots is a factor.
Steve Kerr has the percentages, but would he really be ranked ahead of Steve Nash? Kerr would be in my Top 20, but Nash should be ahead of him because he was doing Harden-type shots at a higher percentage.
The "What If..." award goes to Drazen Petrovic.
Yeah, agreed. Plus the fact that Larry was consistently double-teamed + handchecking + physical defense vs. today's you-kind-of-always-get-a-clear-shot basketball.. just not the same. Not saying Curry's not the best pure shooter, but stick him in the 80s or 90s, and things might changes, esp. given his 6'2" frame.
Drazen Petrovic was a great shooter, but he was even more than that, when he played at Šibenka, before 1984 when the three-point line was introduced in the FIBA regulations, it was like seeing Maravich at LSU, he shot over any player's head, he attacked to the basket any time and he was an exceptional passer, and he was only 19-20 years old, it's a shame that he wasn't able to translate all his qualities into the NBA, but the extremely physical basketball of the 90s limited him a lot, if he played today he would be a combo guard very similar to Doncic.
@@Xenon-h9zso you think Steph wouldn't thrive but guys even smaller than him like Muggsy got playing time in the NBA.
Muggsy wasn't a pure shooter, he was a true PG, and he was incredibly fast and extremely strong and athletic. Your comparison doesn't make a ton of sense.
@@rogelioatempa1115
How about a video about pre-1980s players who would've been great 3pt shooters?
EXCELLENT IDEA
Great video as always: break down content, criterias and step by step methods and factors is what brings debates for the most part, to it's final conclusion.
Great video Jonny! I think the 2 shooters I had in mind to consider were Drazen Petrovic and Toni Kukoc. Loved their shooting ability.
I really like how you counted in different factors to keep the video interesting!
Love the video! Can you please do similar videos for defenders, passers, drivers, etc
Great Idea !! #MambaForever
Drazen Petrovic would have cracked my top 10. I would also rank players who were their team's primary scoring option significantly over role players who got more open looks from defenders leaving them, like Kerr.
Not enough sample size from petro to be there. Reputation is not enough
@@TheIcemanthomas Johnny tends to favor peak over career longevity and even mentions this when discussing Stojakovic. With this criteria, Drazen has a case to be made especially with his career being cut short at age 28. I respect if he does not make your list but he cracks mine.
@@TheIcemanthomas More than enough, he was as good as Curry or Bird. He did play in Europe for 10 years before NBA, trust me he shares #1 with Curry and Bird
I would have swapped Bird and Peja, but it's nice to see your balanced take on Larry's 3-point case.
Shout out to the og shooter from the aba, loui dampier, as well as jerry west, and Pete who most believe would’ve been excellent long range shooters had they been born 15-20 years later.
Peja was so ridiculous. I loved those Kings teams, and I really do wonder what he could have done if his era put the same value on the 3 as we do today.
the only limitation I saw in Stojakovic as a shooter was in the clutch moments of the game, despite being so good and quick at shooting, I wouldn't trust him to score the last shot to win the game
Especially when he air balled that baseline 3 in the playoffs against LA with a chance to win the game 😂
Let's go!! Really hard to flesh out context on these things man, and you're the best at it
I like the transitions Jonny, another great video!
Also, you've been putting out great videos for around five years now, great work! You have taught me so much about the game of basketball!
I know Drazen didn't play in the NBA for a long time, but some of the shots he was making from beyond the arc where unbelievable. He was one of the original sharpshooters in the NBA. Many greats of the 90's talk about his shooting as if he was an alien. He is a carrer 43.7% three point shooter. I think he should have at least made the list.
He was the first person, not in the top 10, that I thought of too. I think if he had played longer, he would have easily made the top 10.
Fantastic video as always, Jonny!
I know you're trying to keep the videos reasonably short, but given the fact that you opened with the 6 criteria for ranking the players, I'd love to have seen a little more breakdown for each guy using those data points. Maybe using a scoring system? Something like:
Peja Stojakovic
Efficiency - OOOOO (5/5)
Volume - OOO (3/5)
Variety - OOOO (4/5)
All-time rank - OOO (3/5)
Relative to era - OOOOO (5/5)
3p Contest - OOOO (4/5)
Just a thought!
I think Craig Hodges deserves more love in these discussions. He's pretty forgotten nowadays, but if he played in the modern era, he'd be hitting 5 3's per game. Loved the video.
There's definitely an argument for Dale Ellis and Mark Price, but they were too early in the league. Those guys would THRIVE in today's league!
Totally Agree... we can add Glen Rice
The best of the honorable mentions to me are Drazen Petrovic, Mark Price, Glen Rice, & Dale Ellis.
Darrell Griffith was the first player to really use it as weapon. Definitely worth an honorable mention. Very brilliant but short prime.
Great work! I wish Coop could’ve played in today’s era. He was tailor-made for the 3 and D. Belongs in the honorable mentions, but man… would’ve been insane today!
Great list! Do a top 10 Clutchest players or maybe top 10 game winners next
Lillard really shouldn't be on this list in my opinion. He has volume and range, but lacks efficiency. I would take someone like Paul George over him any day.
Missing Nash, price, rice, Abdul rauf, Danny ainge, and hornecek in honorables.
I have ABSOLUTELY no problems with this list. I think you nailed it.
I like this list, and how it takes lots of things into account. I would put Peja over Korver (but it's not like Korver doesn't deserve his spot) because while he obviously didn't have Korver's efficency, Peja was a star in his team, one of the leading scorers and the guy opponent coaches were likely spending the most time during film session and while preparing defenses (him and Webber of course). During what was likely his best individual season in 2004, he was 2nd in both total points and points per game. Shame his career was caught a bit short.
I would also argue about Nash being in the honorable mentions, but I already read there were editing problems there.
Also, not sure if it was an intended joke or not considering his season so far, but I kinda laughed when, talking about Klay Thompson, you said "over his career, he shot 41.4%" as if he was retired already.
Much respect for putting Michael Cooper in the honorable mentions list. For a 3&D player, people often forget about the first half of that term with him, but he could put them in when necessary.
shout out/honorable mention to Jerry West, in the physically brutal and densely packed era of the 1970s Jerry West could score over 30 ppg shooting above 50% while regularly taking 3pt range shots just cuz he could make them. hes the first ever wing player to reach 50% efficiency and to this day is the only such player besides Curry to reach that efficiency while being a 30 point threat
Or Pete in college
We need the top 10 players you would choose for the last shot to save your life!
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Thank you for another good video. Glad to see you include Bird on this list as JJ Redick was way off on his ( just attempts and % matter) take. There is more to consider than just numbers. For those that do not know = Bird did not have a 3 point line in high school or in college and the 3 point line was new to the NBA in Bird's rookie year. Bird in his era was without a doubt the best 3 point shooter and Bird even admitted he rarely even practiced the 3 point shot. Bird's first coach, for 5 years in the NBA hated the 3. Bird in his career shot 40% or higher in 6 of his seasons and we all know Bird entered three 3 point shootouts and won all of them. Bird is difficult to rank because of how the game has changed but is without question in this discussion.
Thanks for the video john always great
Love the respect you giving Korver!
And not having Larry Bird in the top 5 is downright criminal and I hate the Celtics but they are players that played on that team I respect
Its better people..Larry whole career 3point makes is what Steph made in 2 seasons
I could probably name 30 players better than Larry 🤣
@@RexDolodo it then
@Bigedub101 Larry Bird told you what he was gonna do and you still didn't stop him man was a monster
Very nice choices!!! 👍🏻
I hope you mention the disparity between the greatest shooters and the greatest 3pt shooters in this video. Arguing your ranking for the former is definitely more controversial.
Great list, but Nash should be an honorable mention
Love the videos Jonny. Could you do a video on the top 10 coaches ever?
Nash not in the top 10 is arguable... Still a great video🔥
If "relative to the era" is at all relevant, then Bird deserves a significantly higher spot.
But that’s not that only criteria
i love the list! def agree, great takes!
we been waiting on this one
I’d flip Peja and Bird but good solid list well argued ❤
I actually thought this list was perfect…excellent video.
From his best season to his worst, this is what birds 3P% looks like.
42.7%
42.3%
41.4%
40.6%
40.6%
40.0%
38.9%
33.3%
28.6%
27.0%
24.7%
21.7%
And now his highest 3PA to his lowest
3.3 3PA
3.1 3PA
3.0 3PA
2.8 3PA
2.6 3PA
2.4 3PA
1.7 3PA
1.6 3PA
1.0 3PA
0.9 3PA
0.9 3PA
0.7 3PA
It took bird 897 games to hit 649 threes.
Bradley Beal isn’t even an honourable mention and he has played 721 games and he has hit 1553.
176 less games but 904 more threes made.
176 games is over 2 seasons btw. Bradley Beal is still 2 seasons away from reaching birds games played yet he has nearly already tripled the amount of threes bird has hit.
Beal isn’t even seen as a great 3pt shooter, yet he dominates bird at it.
Saying bird is in the top 10 of greatest shooters ever is the same as saying bill russell is the goat for winning 11 rings without any competition.
Growing up in NYC I always had a complicated relationship with Reggie Miller lol Broke many of our hearts but it was impossible to deny how good he was.
That clip ya showed of DL hitting that clutch 3 and turning around to do the Dame Time was so hard. I'm not a Bucks fan or one of his stans but it was COLD, especially watching it live 🥵
Before I watch, here's my list
1. Stephen Curry
2. Ray Allen
3. Larry Bird
4. Damian Lillard
5. Reggie Miller
6. Klay Thompson
7. Kyle Korver
8. Peja Stojakovic
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Abdul rauf just didn’t play long enough to be ranked that high
Bird that high is crazy
@@Keegan135 He won the first three three-point contests consecutively, founding member (among 9) of the 50-40-90 club, where he has more seasons than Steph and Reggie, and where no other player on Jonny's list is a member. Check the advanced metrics and adjusted shooting data, Steph's highest adjusted 3-pt % is 130, while Larry has two at 150+. If Steph is a phenom in comparison to today's league, Bird was a monster in comparison to his.
Not that cray-cray at all.
@@c99kfm this man knows ball
@@c99kfm that is because Bird shot 1.8 3s per game roughly, and his career average is 37%, bird is top 10 for sure, but not top 5 or better than steph. Stephs shooting is so good that he changed the league with it, bird didn’t do that
I know he isn’t top 10, but it was cool to see Thunder Dan on your list of guys that just missed the cut. Would love to see you do a video on Majerle in the future.
No offense to you in no regard but this video has been the best commentary you have put out in a while. I’m obviously a Dubs fan at the same time it makes perfect sense to put Curry and Klay at 1&3; no dynasty wouldn’t have happened with out he #SplashBrothers #Batman&Robin offensive super powers they are! Mad props to Dray for initiating the offense and being a great defensive player!
Honorable mention should go to George/Rice.
What about Mark Price? 40% for his career back to back. 3. Point shootout champion. Could hit that three-pointer in a variety of ways. He could do it coming off screens, he could do it off the dribble in transition and he could do it as a set shot.
Great list
Pretty much a perfect list imo
I think there is also a great argument to be made that all three’s are not created equally. I believe that if you live by the three, you die by the three. It’s an important shot in today’s NBA but it can destroy flow and kill a possession. It is a beautiful thing when it is a clutch shot.
I personally value the comparision to their era a lot. I mean they say nobody is gonna break Stephs record, but they said the same about Reggie and Allen, the amount of 3s shot will always rise.
With that said I put Reggie at the 2 and push Allen one down. Klay, despite his 3 point records, I don't think is top 5 I'd push Kyle and Dame 1 up for that, his ver much just catch and shoot and compared to his era he doesn't shoot more than both of them. And with the whole era thing, creating your own shoots etc. Bird was always the number one guarded player on his team, was the shooter in his era I think he also pushes passed Klay (and Peja).
Downplaying Klay way too much imo. Plus the logic is inconsistent: how do you put Korver above him when Klay was a star and Korver a role player, less efficient and with less defensive attention, but then proceed to gas up Bird because he was guarded more (arguable, nobody cared about guarding 3s back in the day, even if it was Bird with his 1.9 attempts per game, Klay definitely gets more attention).
@Luca-yb4sh Klay is a glorified role player and as I said for Korver the main factor there is volume compared to Era. And to say Klay gets more attention than Bird is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Yes 3s were not as tightly guarded as today but that goes for your average role player, and Klay had the best shooter ever on his team and for some time even KD both pulling defenders of him. And by the way Kyle Korver was more efficient than Klay, for their careers and peak for peak.
@@nuN00b666 Man if you look at Bird shooting 3s, he's literally coming down the court and shooting wide open, not because of schemes or off ball movement but because nobody was picking him up 75% of the time. Defenders stayed behind the line more often than not, with no sense of urgency to go and guard the 3. Incomparable in my opinion, sorry. It's just way too different, you can't do that with elite shooters nowadays or they kill the game.
If you don’t wanna watch the full video the #1 guy is Charles Barkley. 😁
I'm an old, nearing 50, so I was able to watch Larry Bird and Steph Curry in their primes. If you forced me to pick a winner head-to-head in the 3 point contest or to shoot a game winner in the Finals, I'm picking Bird over Steph every time. Does that make Bird number 1 on this list? I'm not saying that. What I am saying is I'm taking Bird over Steph (and ALL of the rest) every time in those conditions. And I would feel negligent if someone asked me who THEY should put their money on in those situations and I told them Steph over Larry.
I personally have Steve Kerr on my list. The volume isn’t there but the accuracy is top level.
I feel like if you'd put anyone other than Curry at number 1 your subscriber count would've been cut in half haha. Great video!
I doubt it. Don't think there are a ton of Curry fans.
@@Xenon-h9zur kidding right
@@Xenon-h9z I'm not a fan either, but who would you honestly even try to claim is a better 3 Pt. Shooter?
@@Maximillian200HP You'd have to change up the argument criteria.
In terms of pure shooting? No one.
In terms of pure potential, and with actual defense factored in? I obviously can't say for sure, but I'd bet you if Steph had played in Bird's era, Bird would have been the better al-around 3pt shooter.. and if you put Bird in Steph's era, he could probably match him.
@@Xenon-h9z playing the "What If" game is basing your opinion on stuff that didn't happen.
Special Mentions to Mark Price, Abdul Rauf, Jeff Hornacek, Joe Dumas & John Stockton
Thank you Jonny!
Pistol Pete might've been one of the greatest distance shooters ever but he played before the three pointer existed *shrugs*
I've been watching NBA UA-cam for so long that I recognize every single name in the honourable mentions even tho Ive only watched one NBA game ever 😂
The Splash Brothers at 1 and 3, their coach at 10, Durant and Curry's father as Honorable Mentions. The Warriors are amazing, and had been building up for a long time
Irving should definitely be on this conversation. His carrier average is 39% from deep on 6 attempts, and he several time hits more than 40% of his shots. He also have an insane ability to create his own shot, so for me he could be legitimately a top 10 shooter.
W for having Buddy in the honorable mentions
Honorable mention should include Louie Dampier though his 3 pts shooting mostly occur in ABA.... he is definitely the OG of basketball 3 point shooting
Great vid
my top 10
#10 mark price
#9 Kobe Bryant
#8 peja stejokvic\
#7 Steve Nash
#6 Kyle Korver
#5 James Harden
#4 Reggie Miller
#3 Ray Allen
#2 Larry Bird
#1 Steph Curry
keep up the great work jonny
Kobe shouldn’t be there, and bird is way too high
@@Keegan135they are blinded by nostalgia bro there is ABSOLUTELY no reason in what they say like why tf is Kobe on the list bro 😂
I knew Kobe haters would be in this comment before looking. I bet 15 bucks with my friends saying quote, "People gonna reply and say Kobe does not belong there."
My friend said, " How much you betting. I don't think people gonna underate Kobe right?"
I replied, " 15 bucks?"
Other friend, ' You losing the bet."
Me," Nah I know ppl gonna hate."
Friend," You sure?"
Me, "Yes bet>"
I now am 15 bucks richer as we stared at the replies
@@Mr.nicklepickliesI agree kobe haters are wild kobe has over 2000 3pters.
Mark Price and Jeff Hornacek are missing in honorable mentions
u gotta do top 10 three pointing seasons, that’s a hard list to do
Here's another way to look at it: your life is on the line, and you need one player to make a 3 point shot to save your very existence. Who do you want taking that shot? I choose Larry Bird. When the game was on the line, he was just that guy.
Edit: Randomly, the first name I thought of was Glen Rice. One of the best college shooters I ever saw.
Great list:
1 thing I can say about your videos no Bias.
it’s a shame but as time goes on the great shooters of the past will continue to be overlooked as they get pushed down the record hooks because of the insane volume of threes players take now
Was interested in how you were gonna order 2-5 and I'm right there with you. What does Klay have to do in order for you to put him above Ray?
Damn. That be me on there
Wouldn’t change a thing here Jonny
8:13 what happened to Dale Ellis, Glenn rice and Dell Curry I think they deserve her mentioned somewhere it would be interesting to see if they had a chance to have more attempts what that would look like
Bird is probably too low. Thanks for not forgetting Peja. Dirk wants to speak with you. I'll take Shuttlesworth for the top spot. Great video.
Shuttlesworth? Can I have a serious explanation as to how Ray is a better shooter than Curry? And no dirk isn’t too low
Ray in the top spot over Curry? No. Not even close.
My first thought before you even got into the rankings was about how Kerr should get a special nod for his still unbeaten single season and career 3p% records, with the caveat that he did that on extremely low volume. There's an argument to be made that he should be an unranked honorable mention because of the low volume, which probably significantly boosted his percentages.
I'd put Bird at 5 just under Reggie. Shot 50/40/90 taking insanely difficult shots, and attempting crazy game winners. Maybe Steve Nash over Kerr at 10 as well.
Nash, Nowitski and Bryant should have been on the top 10 for sure
Good list
You should do a list for mid range
Make a video on the best mid range. Jump shooters.
I would have swapped Reggie and same but aside from that it’s a perfect list. I also love birds placement
Your top 10 seems very good to me! I have a few different choices but not that much. To me, the top 2 spots are not up for debate, and the order between 3 & 4 can be, but that's that. I have Bird and Nash higher, but other than that, no beef with your list.
1. Curry 2. Ray 3. Miller 4. Klay 5. Lillard 6. Harden 7. Bird 8. Korver 9. George 10. Nash
Peja is not far behind but he didn't shoot as much for as long as some other names, and was almost exclusively a spot-up shooter. Rashard Lewis is another name that can come to mind. Buddy Hield, JJ Redik and Mike Miller too.
Reggie #4‼️⁉️
You tripping lol
Top 2
Not enough efficiency
Without even watching the video so far I got Steph ray Allen klay Reggie miller and dame. Top 5
Could you make a video about midrange shooters
Suprised Quinton Richardson and Michael Redd didn't make the honorable mentions.. Glad to see Rashard Lewis 😊
Man, I checked the career stats and I think you forgot the plumber. Hornacek had even volume! Agree with Nash honorable mention being fair, even if just because inspiring Steph, that could be the 7th category :)