certainly, keeping a few historical machines running is completely negligible compared to the heaps of car traffic, planes and coal powerplants. we need to consider the dimensions here
Hey rewboss. I really liked this video and the dynamic of having another voice and face (rolf wetter). I feel like it gives more momentum to the story. I would really like to see more interviews like this, tied to stores and/or interesting facts about german things. Keep the good work :)
Steam rallies and preservation events are celebrated the world over. We have an impact no matter what we do and how we choose to live. Being responsible is important, remembering the past and understanding it is vital as well. I drive an electric car now and wouldn't want to go back to a petrol or diesel, but I would happily climb up on the footplate of a steam engine to chuff around for a weekend.
As a german living in the UK (and being a mechanical engineer) I love the steam scene in the UK. If I ever win the lottery this will be my "supercar". As one of my colleagues put it (motorcycle industry): If you think doing 120mph on something that is designed to do 120 mph is scary, you should try and do 13 mph in something that weighs 12 tons and is designed to do 6 mph. I'd love to become a steam apprentice for someone who owns one.
I agree with the others here: These kinds of events are a drop in the ocean compared to the everyday energy requirements of heating, industry, transportation, etc. The emissions from a handful of historic tractors aren't going to be the deciding factor when it comes to saving the climate.
"Saving the climate" - You people must be hopelessly beyond all reality by now. Total victims of the extensive ideological brainwashing by being told what is fact and reality, right?
I don't think anybody is trying to ban this kind of historical preservation. We don't even ban antique cars with an H- or 07-license from low-emission zones.
I would say yes, let these old machines run. They are few and far apart, don’t run very often, and under light load. Tools aren’t inherently bad, we should judge our intentions instead. They also represent “modernity and progress”, our utter lack of respect for ecology or resources back when literally nobody opposed “growth”. That’s changing. I think the fantastic preservation work and old knowledge also incur a certain sense of necessary deep societal change. Acknowledging our history is a far stronger incentive than just turning a blind eye. Thanks, Rewboss…! 💛
As you could see there the Lanz Bulldog was a very robust tractor and so "Bulldog" became and still is a generic name for tractors, at least in parts of Germany.
Where I am from, at the end of every summer we have an engine show with all kinds of tractors and trains and an open market and carnie food as well as othet randome things. Main part is the steam engines and train rides.
We not only can allow us the "living" perservation of historic equipment, we have to. You can't go into the future without knowing the past. Also, nearly all vintage tractors can run on vegetable oil without major problems. As are most older diesel engines. The Lanz was even advertised with it's capability to run on basicly any kind of oil. Farmers in the early days of diesel didn't allways have a reliable and afordable source of fuel oil. Therefore those old maschines are maybe more "future proof" than many much more modern ones.
If we get rid of all the unnecessary CO2 sources, we can easyly maintain historic machinery. I think they are important, at least for educational purposes. Even if future engineers will certainly not introduce new fossile powered engines, they have to study the basics and origins of their profession. Greetings from Lübeck, Marcus
I'm suspecting that the emissions of climate relevant gases caused by say music festivals are probably higher by a factor of double digits at least. However as small as these events usually are they're taking place in many areas dotted all over Germany.
Great feature. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And yep, I think, the emissions of a handful of tractors for a day or two are worth the educational effect. Even for they bystanders, seeing a steam engine or an old Diese puffing about, smelling it, seeing lots of black smoke - gives the idea that burning fossile fuels on the long run is not a good thing, a completely new emphasis. In todays cars, there is hardly anything to be seen with respect to emissions. It's still there, but it's rather abstract. Ansonsten: What the others wrote... 🙂
Preservation work of old machines has such a small carbon footprint compared to everything else in the world that it's nothing we should worry about in the greater scheme. I'm very glad you cover such an interesting event. We've inherited a 15er Steyr, a tractor from 1954, from our grandfather. We're still maintaining it very well and drive to a local event about old tactors every year. De Erhoitung vo oiden Maschinen hot so an klanen Fuaßobdruck im Vergleich zum Rest wos ma so mochn auf diesa Wöd. Do meass ma uns echt ned driwa n Kopf zerbrechn. Mia gfreits echt, dass du so a so a leiwondes Event zagst. Mia hom a an 15er Steyr, Baujoah 1954, vom Großvoda gerbt, und mia pflegn den a no guat und foahn damit jedes Joah aufs Traktor-Frühschopppen.
A few vintage cars or old Traktors from the steam era aren‘t the biggest problem for future climates. That‘s like saying the one smoker in the corner causes cancer to the guy standing at the other end of the train platform, while the steam engine from the train is smoking right next to him.
Fantastic video as always! Refrigerants like HFC's are one the biggest problem emittions, I Don't think a few steam rallies which are preserving a pocket of history are going to be a problem. If the Kigali amendment is stuck to and we stop producing and capture HFCs by 2050 that would prevent the equivalent of 167.7 gigatons of carbon emissions being vented to atmosphere as that how much more potent hfcs are than just straight carbon!
One day, events like this will be the only place that people will see the old combustion driven vehicles. Brought out once a year, for people to marvel at ingenious inventions they were. And. perhaps, muse on how close we came to disaster.
Since we will need some form of emission-neutral synthetic Diesel for Emergency vehicles anyway, it shouldn't be to much of a problem to give some of it to historic vehicles.
This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be kept, the proper way to showcase interesting machines from the past. Toss the gas-guzzling SUVs into a scrapyard, replace as many cars as you can with trams and buses and trains, the rest with EVs, and make electricity sources green. Having things that burn fuel is not the problem, it's having everything burn fuel that is. After all, the carbon cycle is a cycle. We're just dumping too much carbon in at the moment.
Education of the realities is a great deal more important than anything that people who have a problem with it do. You don’t like it, bike everywhere for a week. Knowledge is valuable, spouting off isn’t
Ich frage mich häufiger, ob wir es uns leisten können, Geräte und Dinge des alltäglichen Gebrauchs so herstellen zu lassen, dass sie die Garantiezeit gerade noch so überstehen und anschließend nicht Mal repariert werden können....
When the zombie apocalypse comes, these will be the only machines left to run. The modern devices that can only run with an internet connection are convenient, but you can hardly repair them yourself. In case of doubt, the old machines can still be repaired with a hammer.😀
That last topic and the kind of debate it was asking for, seems unnecessarily dramatic to me, and a bit out of place in a video otherwise celebrating the demonstration of historical vehicles at a local festival. Running a dozen engines for a day or two is certainly not going to produce a noticeable amount of emissions, it detracts from the things that can actually have an impact, and adds to the bad reputation that environmental policies already have.
I don‘t think we should trouble ourselves with the climate consequences of such events - after all no one is actually asking for them to be discontinued. They can simply remain an afterthought as they are. Let’s rather focus on the fossil fuel industy, traffic, heating…
Can we allow ourselves such a small thing? Of course. It's literally nothing. Scale is everything when it comes to large problems, like atmospheric warming.
For now it should be fine but in the long term i see a few problems. 1. These machines will not last forever and therefore will at some somepoint stop working, even if taken care of well. 2. Even if you manage to repair everything our oil resevers even with such small events can not be sustained. 3. At some point people wont be interrestet in a device from 500 years ago
It's not just you. The sing-song intonation is quite similar, and both Swiss German and Scouse have an affricate /kx/ -- the way the speaker pronounces the "k" in "Kohle" is very similar to the way some Scousers pronounce the "k" in "book".
Fortunately for all of us he does his best to speak in some kind of Standard Swiss German. Actual Swiss German dialects are usually much harder to understand, even for someone from South Germany like me.
I am sure we could afford that if it wasn't attend by car, trough putting those tractors on trailers and driving them to places no-one cares to take weeks to reach. We could likely afford to have a permanent caravan of "vintage vehicles" across all Autobahn roads (stopping for celebrations at every ramp/junction) if there was nothing else there (the roads would last much longer than way too. I would love an "autofreier Sontag" to inline scate and cycle safely
I think these should be powered with synthetic fuels in the long run. For the moment, it's negligible, but digging up more oil once we no longer need it is a bad idea.
CO2 is and always was plant food. Now people are going to have to die to save the world they are living in. That's the kind of thing the devil and his human elites can do to a society that has become totally godless. Such a society becomes a complete Idiocracy ... It is the same society where man is woman and woman is man, etc.
Re: your closing questions. Ask those questions of China and India, or thousands of volcanoes, or the Sun, if you truly believe human activity has any measurable effect on the Earth's climate.
There likely is a measurable human effect on earth's climate, but probably not a cause for worry as loony greens would have you believe, and certainly not a cause to stop using technology including fossil fuels.
This year has been comparatively cool, until May it was quite cold actually. Even this summer is cooler than usual. One day so far has been around 35 Celsius, before and after that below 30. But the media are pushing the "climate crisis" nonsense because it's their political agenda.
First, tell that to the people in Greece, Italy, or Spain. Second, if "we need to change something drastically to preserve the environment we're used to and built our civilisation on, and our standard of living" is a political agenda, then I sure hope it gets pushed. Doing something about climate change should've been common sense a few decades ago, and even more now.
@@varana So you agree the media are pushing a political agenda, but it's one to youre liking so you're ok with it. That's not a very ethical attitude. "First, tell that to the people in Greece, Italy, or Spain." I don't need to tell them because they know. They're enjoying a perfectly normal summer, only the German media are going mad.
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certainly, keeping a few historical machines running is completely negligible compared to the heaps of car traffic, planes and coal powerplants.
we need to consider the dimensions here
Hey rewboss. I really liked this video and the dynamic of having another voice and face (rolf wetter). I feel like it gives more momentum to the story. I would really like to see more interviews like this, tied to stores and/or interesting facts about german things. Keep the good work :)
Steam rallies and preservation events are celebrated the world over. We have an impact no matter what we do and how we choose to live. Being responsible is important, remembering the past and understanding it is vital as well. I drive an electric car now and wouldn't want to go back to a petrol or diesel, but I would happily climb up on the footplate of a steam engine to chuff around for a weekend.
My German is REALLY rusty, but OMG, that Swiss accent!
It's just that though: An accent. If he were using real Swiss *dialect* he would be *much* harder to understand ;-)
As a german living in the UK (and being a mechanical engineer) I love the steam scene in the UK. If I ever win the lottery this will be my "supercar". As one of my colleagues put it (motorcycle industry): If you think doing 120mph on something that is designed to do 120 mph is scary, you should try and do 13 mph in something that weighs 12 tons and is designed to do 6 mph.
I'd love to become a steam apprentice for someone who owns one.
Nice report, fine pictures!
Translating "Knochenjob" with "tough job" is my personal euphemism of the day!
To your final question, no comment...
how can these types of events ever measure up against the 70% of the problem that comes from industry. so no this should never be a problem to do
I agree with the others here: These kinds of events are a drop in the ocean compared to the everyday energy requirements of heating, industry, transportation, etc. The emissions from a handful of historic tractors aren't going to be the deciding factor when it comes to saving the climate.
"Saving the climate" - You people must be hopelessly beyond all reality by now. Total victims of the extensive ideological brainwashing by being told what is fact and reality, right?
I don't think anybody is trying to ban this kind of historical preservation. We don't even ban antique cars with an H- or 07-license from low-emission zones.
I would say yes, let these old machines run. They are few and far apart, don’t run very often, and under light load. Tools aren’t inherently bad, we should judge our intentions instead.
They also represent “modernity and progress”, our utter lack of respect for ecology or resources back when literally nobody opposed “growth”. That’s changing.
I think the fantastic preservation work and old knowledge also incur a certain sense of necessary deep societal change. Acknowledging our history is a far stronger incentive than just turning a blind eye.
Thanks, Rewboss…! 💛
So schöne Maschinen. Thermodynamik und Mechanik leben!
As you could see there the Lanz Bulldog was a very robust tractor and so "Bulldog" became and still is a generic name for tractors, at least in parts of Germany.
Where I am from, at the end of every summer we have an engine show with all kinds of tractors and trains and an open market and carnie food as well as othet randome things. Main part is the steam engines and train rides.
Historical machines, processes and handicraft should be preserved.
We don't know when we might be in need of them.
❤
We not only can allow us the "living" perservation of historic equipment, we have to. You can't go into the future without knowing the past.
Also, nearly all vintage tractors can run on vegetable oil without major problems. As are most older diesel engines. The Lanz was even advertised with it's capability to run on basicly any kind of oil. Farmers in the early days of diesel didn't allways have a reliable and afordable source of fuel oil. Therefore those old maschines are maybe more "future proof" than many much more modern ones.
If we get rid of all the unnecessary CO2 sources, we can easyly maintain historic machinery. I think they are important, at least for educational purposes. Even if future engineers will certainly not introduce new fossile powered engines, they have to study the basics and origins of their profession.
Greetings from Lübeck,
Marcus
My father is a huge fan of those old machines. He even got me twice to the Dieselschlucker's loud and stinky festival. Boy, I hated it sooo much.
I'm suspecting that the emissions of climate relevant gases caused by say music festivals are probably higher by a factor of double digits at least.
However as small as these events usually are they're taking place in many areas dotted all over Germany.
Great feature. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And yep, I think, the emissions of a handful of tractors for a day or two are worth the educational effect.
Even for they bystanders, seeing a steam engine or an old Diese puffing about, smelling it, seeing lots of black smoke - gives the idea that burning fossile fuels on the long run is not a good thing, a completely new emphasis. In todays cars, there is hardly anything to be seen with respect to emissions. It's still there, but it's rather abstract. Ansonsten: What the others wrote... 🙂
Preservation work of old machines has such a small carbon footprint compared to everything else in the world that it's nothing we should worry about in the greater scheme. I'm very glad you cover such an interesting event. We've inherited a 15er Steyr, a tractor from 1954, from our grandfather. We're still maintaining it very well and drive to a local event about old tactors every year.
De Erhoitung vo oiden Maschinen hot so an klanen Fuaßobdruck im Vergleich zum Rest wos ma so mochn auf diesa Wöd. Do meass ma uns echt ned driwa n Kopf zerbrechn. Mia gfreits echt, dass du so a so a leiwondes Event zagst. Mia hom a an 15er Steyr, Baujoah 1954, vom Großvoda gerbt, und mia pflegn den a no guat und foahn damit jedes Joah aufs Traktor-Frühschopppen.
A few vintage cars or old Traktors from the steam era aren‘t the biggest problem for future climates. That‘s like saying the one smoker in the corner causes cancer to the guy standing at the other end of the train platform, while the steam engine from the train is smoking right next to him.
Fantastic video as always! Refrigerants like HFC's are one the biggest problem emittions, I Don't think a few steam rallies which are preserving a pocket of history are going to be a problem. If the Kigali amendment is stuck to and we stop producing and capture HFCs by 2050 that would prevent the equivalent of 167.7 gigatons of carbon emissions being vented to atmosphere as that how much more potent hfcs are than just straight carbon!
One day, events like this will be the only place that people will see the old combustion driven vehicles. Brought out once a year, for people to marvel at ingenious inventions they were. And. perhaps, muse on how close we came to disaster.
Since we will need some form of emission-neutral synthetic Diesel for Emergency vehicles anyway, it shouldn't be to much of a problem to give some of it to historic vehicles.
This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be kept, the proper way to showcase interesting machines from the past.
Toss the gas-guzzling SUVs into a scrapyard, replace as many cars as you can with trams and buses and trains, the rest with EVs, and make electricity sources green. Having things that burn fuel is not the problem, it's having everything burn fuel that is. After all, the carbon cycle is a cycle. We're just dumping too much carbon in at the moment.
Education of the realities is a great deal more important than anything that people who have a problem with it do. You don’t like it, bike everywhere for a week. Knowledge is valuable, spouting off isn’t
Ich frage mich häufiger, ob wir es uns leisten können, Geräte und Dinge des alltäglichen Gebrauchs so herstellen zu lassen, dass sie die Garantiezeit gerade noch so überstehen und anschließend nicht Mal repariert werden können....
When the zombie apocalypse comes, these will be the only machines left to run. The modern devices that can only run with an internet connection are convenient, but you can hardly repair them yourself. In case of doubt, the old machines can still be repaired with a hammer.😀
The environment isn't THAT fragile, I say keep the history.
That last topic and the kind of debate it was asking for, seems unnecessarily dramatic to me, and a bit out of place in a video otherwise celebrating the demonstration of historical vehicles at a local festival.
Running a dozen engines for a day or two is certainly not going to produce a noticeable amount of emissions, it detracts from the things that can actually have an impact, and adds to the bad reputation that environmental policies already have.
I don‘t think anyone in public discourse is asking for an end to historic steam tractors.
I don‘t think we should trouble ourselves with the climate consequences of such events - after all no one is actually asking for them to be discontinued. They can simply remain an afterthought as they are. Let’s rather focus on the fossil fuel industy, traffic, heating…
I don't think anyone would actually prohibit such a meetup/historical display, not even Die letzte Generation. Ist doch Pillepalle.
Can we allow ourselves such a small thing? Of course. It's literally nothing. Scale is everything when it comes to large problems, like atmospheric warming.
For now it should be fine but in the long term i see a few problems.
1. These machines will not last forever and therefore will at some somepoint stop working, even if taken care of well.
2. Even if you manage to repair everything our oil resevers even with such small events can not be sustained.
3. At some point people wont be interrestet in a device from 500 years ago
Is it me or does his Swiss German accent sound like German being spoken in a Scouse accent?
It's not just you. The sing-song intonation is quite similar, and both Swiss German and Scouse have an affricate /kx/ -- the way the speaker pronounces the "k" in "Kohle" is very similar to the way some Scousers pronounce the "k" in "book".
Fortunately for all of us he does his best to speak in some kind of Standard Swiss German. Actual Swiss German dialects are usually much harder to understand, even for someone from South Germany like me.
Here is a totally different view on tractor meeting: ua-cam.com/video/IzYmMS-gpno/v-deo.html
If we can have massive airshows just to show off aeroplanes, then why shouldn't some farmers be able to show off their tractors.
Sorry Andrew, you're wrong. We're fragile, not the environment.
I am sure we could afford that if it wasn't attend by car, trough putting those tractors on trailers and driving them to places no-one cares to take weeks to reach.
We could likely afford to have a permanent caravan of "vintage vehicles" across all Autobahn roads (stopping for celebrations at every ramp/junction) if there was nothing else there (the roads would last much longer than way too.
I would love an "autofreier Sontag" to inline scate and cycle safely
I think these should be powered with synthetic fuels in the long run. For the moment, it's negligible, but digging up more oil once we no longer need it is a bad idea.
Not breathing also saves CO2 emissions.
CO2 is and always was plant food. Now people are going to have to die to save the world they are living in.
That's the kind of thing the devil and his human elites can do to a society that has become totally godless. Such a society becomes a complete Idiocracy ... It is the same society where man is woman and woman is man, etc.
Re: your closing questions. Ask those questions of China and India, or thousands of volcanoes, or the Sun, if you truly believe human activity has any measurable effect on the Earth's climate.
Are "China and India" not human activity?
There likely is a measurable human effect on earth's climate, but probably not a cause for worry as loony greens would have you believe, and certainly not a cause to stop using technology including fossil fuels.
As long as china exists, we don't have to change anything
This year has been comparatively cool, until May it was quite cold actually. Even this summer is cooler than usual. One day so far has been around 35 Celsius, before and after that below 30. But the media are pushing the "climate crisis" nonsense because it's their political agenda.
You were doing so well until that last sentence.
@ You disagree with the observation? The media aren't pushing a political agenda?
First, tell that to the people in Greece, Italy, or Spain.
Second, if "we need to change something drastically to preserve the environment we're used to and built our civilisation on, and our standard of living" is a political agenda, then I sure hope it gets pushed. Doing something about climate change should've been common sense a few decades ago, and even more now.
@@varana So you agree the media are pushing a political agenda, but it's one to youre liking so you're ok with it. That's not a very ethical attitude.
"First, tell that to the people in Greece, Italy, or Spain." I don't need to tell them because they know. They're enjoying a perfectly normal summer, only the German media are going mad.