Lmfao I was in SeneGence for around 4 months before I left and good God when I realized I was working toward becoming a Crown Princess I about died 😅 Clearly the founder never got invited to prom 🤣
I just commented above asking if this was legal, haha. i had a kirby guy at my house for 5 hours +, i am in Australia, so i guess they are the same all around the world.
@@asian_man7839 wow, youd think they would want to talk to as many people as possible. not hold 1 person hostage in their own home. its definitely not legal!
Learning how to close the door while saying "I'm not interested" is a great skill to cultivate. The more you do it the easier it gets. And don't look at it as being mean, look at it as helping them to find a new career path.
Yes! I’ve learned the balance between basic politeness and a firm “no”. I found it’s important to express clearly that I will not have any interest (rather than making an excuse about being busy etc.) so they know it’ll be a waste of time trying again!
@@mishaa7263 Please don't get anxiety over this, be glad that there are people who care about our democracy. The thing you should be anxious about is what could happen to it if rational people check out and wackobirds (think Qanon) take over.
I did that to two young men asking me if I wanted to about the word of God. You know , the white shirt and tie, riding in pairs on bicycles. I just said no thankyou, closed and locked the door.
@@Bjorksbackyard As someone who used to go door to door, this is so much preferable than making an excuse. Just tell people you’re not interested and close the door. They know it’s part of the job and they’ll (usually) just leave and not come back.
As I've gotten older, I've stopped caring if I upset someone by simply saying "no, I'm not interested". The more the push, the ruder I get. I feel so terrible for the mother. It's not easy for everyone!
They encourage customers to sign up "for the discount," which IMO is one of the biggest examples of it being a pyramid scheme. If it weren't, wouldn't you want to keep those people as CUSTOMERS? Because businesses need customers? But nope, sign up to be a distributor, because pyramid schemes need members, not customers.
Guys guys guys!! I just remembered something! A long time ago, I watched the Safiya Nygaard video where she tried super long lasting lipstick. I thought it sounded about right to be LipSense, and it actually was! No shade to Safiya; I’m pretty sure she didn’t know it was an MLM, but wow!! ua-cam.com/video/NOIYosH2weE/v-deo.htmlsi=aLFam-HLqO4swl7N
I love the longer videos! I typically “listen” to the horror stories while cleaning up or doing a hobby like painting, so it’s great when they are long!!!
@@thriftshopdaydream6868 so true! I’m about to go to bed now, and she’s so relaxing I fall asleep every time and then have to rewind the last little bit lol
I got the Kirby thing as a single woman living alone in a very new subdivision that had very few residents. By a MALE rep. I had to pick up the phone to call the police to get him to leave, after dumping dust on my carpet AFTER I told him I had asthma! He went outside and sat on the curb until his upline picked him up. Her was a pathetic kind of young guy, so I felt sorry for him. In hindsight, he could have been a serial killer. They use such sneaky tactics to make you let them in and let them mess up your house. *shudder*
How are all these trusting people letting salespeople into their homes? I’m a non-confrontational person, but I answer the door with my dog at my side and no stranger is getting in without a warrant. One of the most common ways for thieves to case a home is to obtain entry on some pretext to look around, and come back later to rob it.
I had someone from a local company come to try and sell me something, and I carefully stepped outside and deliberately left the glass door closed without the wooden door. The guy started his spiel, and not 2 seconds later, my reactive dog SLAMMED against the glass and started yelling, causing him to step back from me instinctively. She's mellowed out since the new epilepsy meds, and I kinda miss having a protective pup to tell people to back off when I'm working at home during the day!
Oh my gosh! The vacuum cleaner people will consume your whole day. He said it would only take 45 minutes and he was there for well over 4 hours and it was my and my husband’s only day off together all week. I was so upset and every time we told him we had plans and weren’t interested we would give us a sob story. It was awful. It was at least 15 years ago, but I’ll never forget it.
yeah same.. they told us it would take like 15 minutes and 3 plus hours later... was so annoyed and they did this to me twice because they aren't upfront about why they were there... they came a total of 3 times to my house. the one time they said they were Kirby and I said no. They just ask the right questions and then next thing you know they are in your house doing this presentation.
I felt so scared for the safety of this woman's children! If I was that woman, I would have blew up on the man for barging in! WEIRDO. And no offense, but WHY is her toddler answering the door for strangers?! 😳
The only positive from that experience is it proves you are a truly caring person and going forward never let anyone question you about your compassion, even while you are pushing them out the door, if not calling the police.
OH.MY.GAWD. I absolutely cannot get over the Kirby crew! I’m still shocked the manager just WALKED INTO HER HOME UNINVITED! And just like you and her, I am too nice and I don’t know what I would have done in the moment either! That story blew me away! How horrifying!
right, literally. I honestly probably would have been like “oh well have to reschedule I actually have to leave for work right now” or some other excuse. That is absolutely insane.
My mom (who is non confrontational) had to deal with a kirby pitch like this. Good thing my 7 year old brother had no social ettiquette declared "if you buy a vaccum cleaner and I can't go to space camp I am running away" after hearing the $1200 price tag. That certainly helped her stay strong on that no.
the second story, and your response to it, made me tear up a little tbh. i'm so used to creators in the anti-mlm space being somewhat okay with mlms like beachbody and itworks BECAUSE of the internalized fatphobia so many people have from the diet culture that pervades our society. i usually feel compelled to leave comments like "actually, diets generally don't work" or "not everyone wants to lose weight" - for once, i don't have to leave uncomfortable feedback on a video like this. thank you, hannah
i'm fat & am still learning to love my own body, more successes than not these days luckily :^) hearing other fat people share the sentiment of being happy & not wanting to lose weight means so much, & it means a lot the way hannah reacted too. 🧡
Has anyone noticed that MLM recruiters that target college students often seem to have *no* clue what college is actually like? They seem to think it’s like Saved By The Bell or some other similarly twee show where students spend very little time in class or studying and mostly hang out with their friends, throw parties, know everyone in the school, and have limitless money. When I was in college I (and most of my friends) had a full time job, every spare minute was spent studying, and I was so broke that some weeks the only food I ate was ramen and whatever I literally stole from the restaurant I worked at (usually breadsticks, fries, or the odd wrong order a customer sent back). The MLM recruiters that tell college students (especially ones with a job and/or parents) that they’ll be able to fit in an MLM “job” are either clueless or deliberately deceptive.
oh my god this vacuum story. i would never let a stranger into my home (i honestly have rudely shut the door at so many people quickly - i’ve had some super weird non-mlm experiences), but if i was in that situation & the boss walked into my home unannounced i would have threatened to call the cops. i feel bad for that poor sales rep. 18 year olds are still kids.
Re: the Monat hun, in those instances it's hard for women to establish boundaries, because we're accustomed to fostering relationships. Ignoring the first text's inappropriateness made her think that more were welcome. If anyone else experiences this don't feel bad about saying, "Thank you for the offer. I am sure you have my interests in mind, but I am not interested in this product or any business opportunity. Please respect my wishes not to involve me in the future."
Exactly! I say “Thank you for thinking of me, I appreciate it and you. However, I am good. Please remove me from your list. Thank you kindly and I sincerely wish you all the best!”!
One of those sweeper reps wouldn’t leave our house either when my husband and I were first married. We had a little baby, it was 11PM, and finally when he and his “partner” went outside to talk, we locked them out of the house and went to bed.
This Kirby pitch is boiling my introverted blood so much. I too feel bad being assertive in the moment. Before I got a no soliciting sign I remember one dude asking if my husband was home to talk to. Like dude, this isn’t the 60s. The only soliciting I do accept now are Girl Scouts selling cookies. That waving trick is super sneaky btw. Oh and congrats on your growth over the past week or so. Looks like someone’s close to 30k now…!
The same thing happened with me and the Kirby vacuum people. I hid in my room for like 6 hours while my husband hung out with the Kirby guy. I'm autistic which makes having someone in my space unannounced freaks me out on multiple levels. I had a panic attack at the 3 hour mark when he was still there. He was done after only 2 hours but he had to wait until the stupid boss guy showed up to pick him up.
It happened to me too! My exhusband let the guy in because he said he’d clean the carpet in one room for free. Our son was about a year old at the time, and the salesman was leaving little pads covered in dust all over the couch and tables. He said he just had to sell one more vacuum set to win a trip to Vegas and he’d “take all of us with him”. I told my husband this guy HAD to go as I had to give my son a bath and lay him down for bed. This man stayed in our house until 10 PM waiting for his upline to pick him up!!!!! I was BEYOND pissed off and I don’t understand why Kirby thinks this is a good sales model
This happened while I was visiting a friend. They received a letter advertising a free carpet shampoo so they decided to book an appointment. A young man was dropped off at the fairly isolated home. He said his manager would pick him up. He set up an advertisement for a free trip to Hawaii. He proceeded to give a very long winded demonstration of the vacuum cleaner. It was amusing at first but it just went on and on. My friend’s husband asked him when he was going to shampoo the carpet and that he said he would only be there for less than an hour. He was trying very hard to make the vacuum cleaner seem like the wonder machine and pointed out the free trip to Hawaii which HE would get if my friend bought the machine. My friend’s husband questioned why anyone would feel obliged to buy a $2000 vacuum cleaner so that the salesman gets a free trip, and told him to finish up, clean the carpet and go. The salesman asked him whether he would buy the Kirby if he had the money. He said he would rather buy a motor bike. I thought this was hilarious but enough was enough and the salesman was asked to go. He rang his manager and, although we couldn’t hear what the manager said, he told the manager that the customer would prefer a motor bike. He stayed a lot longer and eventually cleaned the carpet and did a pretty mediocre job of it. It was getting late in the day and still no one picking the guy up so my friend’s hubby told him that he could stop and enjoy a drink with us and then go. If this meant walking down the long country driveway and waiting for his lift, it was up to him to make the manager get him. It was really bad. No matter how good the product is, I wouldn’t buy it. I don’t know how any of the sales people could get any job satisfaction and it could be dangerous for them because they make people angry
Tip from a former sales person for those who feel anxiety about flat out shutting the door in someone’s face: while you *think* piling your “excuses” helps your case, it doesn’t. Do the opposite: Pick ONE excuse and stick to it. She went with “we can’t afford the vacuum”, then “my husband”. One. Keep repeating one. Usually the rule for d2d sales is if you hear the same “excuse” 3 times, then you should move on.
I’ve been a *very* casual viewer of anti-mlm content in the past but I’ve been getting Hannah’s videos recommended to me a lot in the past week and I can’t get enough! I’m glad I’m not the only one because when I saw her subscriber count I was shocked it wasn’t higher!
Story 2 with the 'no i like how my body looks' hit me, I'm also fat and I LOVE my body, the fact this person immediately saw a fatter individual and decided they'd be prime real-estate and was SHOCKED that someone didn't want to change themselves (especially in such unhealthy ways). people immediately assuming that you want to lose weight/should lose weight is soooo gross
My dad had a tactic when he wanted to be polite in declining a sales pitch. No matter the product, he had just gotten a new one and didn't need another. I'm much less tactful. As for the story with the unwelcome manager, having a stranger barge in uninvited is a good way to meet Mr. Cattle Prod or some of his high velocity friends.
I feel like we’re all gathered here again today, and we’re hanging out with a friend lol thanks so much for these videos. Crazy how I went from watching true crime everyday to just your anti mlm 😂 Been stuck on your videos, they’re such good quality and keep me busy at work. congratulations on the growth! 🥳☺️💕
@@Victoria-jg6ku hahaha yes and for sure! I can’t believe how deceiving they are and how criminal that truly is for vulnerable people 😭 my wife got a hun message lately for itworks and she brought it to me so excited she’d be able to spend time at home with our baby but I explained to her it’s just an impossible thing through this business model and how the person reaching out to her has been scammed. But it makes me sad because she had some hope.
I like longer ones, personally, although I could see how if someone only has 20 minutes or whatever it could keep them from putting it on. I tend to have things playing in the background while I work or do stuff around the house so longer is great for me. Congrats on your growth spurt 😂. It’s well-deserved. I really enjoy your content. Keep fighting the good fight!
Story #4 is infuriating. I do feel a little bad for the sales rep because it's clear she was desperate, but she violated all sorts of boundaries. I want to call the cops for the storyteller.
That trainer is BEYOND unprofessional!! I work at a gym, and have been a trainer for 7 years (you actually read my story a few videos back) and while I've gotten friendly with clients to the point of texting funny tiktoks or UA-cam videos that get referenced in our chats, I'd never ask them to buy anything I'm affiliated with. The only company I'm an affiliate with is a small indie brand makeup company that makes my favorite lip balms and a few multichrome shades I love (makeup is my hobby). If I happen to be wearing one of those shades and a client asks about it, I'll mention the name and that I have an affiliate code that can get them a discount. But I'd never dream of harassing anyone about it! That trainer should be reported IMHO. Also, I hate the focus on weight loss all these MLMs push - strength, confidence, mental health benefits and so much more are much better reasons to workout than losing weight ...
We need more trainers like you 🖤🖤🖤 and just people in general. You’re the first person I’ve seen speak of exercising for therapy, for enjoyment and confidence rather than weight loss. Please never stop being you
I think what saves me from the few MLM here in Italy are two things: I don't have social medias at all and don't want them (people say when I say no, I sound like a person you don't discuss with) and if you walk into my house after I open the door or say I'm not interested I always say "ok, now I'm calling the police if you don't march your ass out of my house...your choice, jail or going away" with my phone already in my hand.
I love when UA-cam suggests me a video that brings me to a channel that I end up really loving! Been binging your content. As a military spouse, a target group for MLMs because we are so transient and a lot of us work from home, I see so much of this and it’s so sad. Thank you for shining a light!
The amount of sheer confidence from that OP who said "no thanks, I like my body the way it is" is truly a sight to imagine. Yall realize that that OP, no matter how she looks is a threat to like 80% of advertising??? Like, omg goals!
💯! She didn't say her body is perfect, or even healthy. But she genuinely loves her body! I've been struggling to love my body for as long as I remember. I really would love to know how to cultivate that genuine healthy confidence.
a body doesn't have to be healthy or perfect to deserve to be loved 🧡 i hope you're continuing to be gentle with how you feel about your body, i'm on the same journey too :^)
@@MossTunic thank you! And I'm getting there, for sure. The last couple years have been rough in numerous ways and I've gained a good amount of weight, but I refuse to sink my progress I've made in loving myself by throwing myself into an obsession with being thin. I'm fairly active (getting more active since I adopted a second, very energetic dog), I don't drink, and my doctor gave my blood work results an A+. Anyone saying anything about my appearance out of "concern for my health" can shove it.
That’s a great response to anything we are approached with (I love my hair, I am full of energy, I love my makeup, etc). What can they say if you are at max level of satisfaction the way you are already
I got recommended your you from an unrelated video about a week ago and I’ve been binging ever since! I’ve always known MLMs were a bad idea but never knew how deep it went. My mom sold Avon in the mid 2000’s and I don’t remember her having a horror story, but I still get those little perfume samples as stocking stuffers routinely 😂 I’ll have to ask her more about her experience. Thank you so much you’re doing the lord’s work out here 🙏 💕
Hannah I saw right through a shitty marketing tactic today and avoided losing over 100$. I don’t know if I would have caught it if it wasn’t for you and your videos! Thank you and keep being so wonderful, positive, and kind-hearted!
Before I knew that Kirby was an MLM company, I had let my friend do a demo for me cuz she needed to make her quota. She already knew that we weren't interested but I was still impressed by what it pulled up. We chatted about various things alongside her saying "are you ok with me giving you the speech in my binder?" I said I was fine with that and when my husband came home on his lunch break (her and I were both military spouses) she said she had to call her "boss". Her boss then talked to my husband on the phone and asked what vacuum we have. He said "we have a Eureka and it works really well". The boss/upline's response was "I know you're active duty and have a lot to worry about with going out of state for training or the chance of deployment. When your wife is cleaning the house while you're gone, do you want her to be using something that is 'pretty good' or 'the best thing you've ever had'?" He, very matter of fact, said "I'd rather end up replacing a $50 vacuum from walmart than spend $3,000 on your glorified dustbuster". My friend laughed and said she was getting ready to leave the company anyway because she wasn't comfortable going door to door.
so happy for the girl in the second story. fatphobia kills, and i'm so glad to hear a person enjoy and thrive in their body in the face of people trying to impose shame on them
To anyone thinking 'But it's so unhealthy!' When you meet someone, who smokes, do you also feel entitled to tell them to stop immediately? No? Well, maybe it's also not your place to tell them they have an unhealthy weight. It's none of your business, you clearly don't care about their health. This is between them and maybe their doctor.
@@JuMiKu I agree with this 100%. I'm all about equal treatment. If you wouldn't comment on anything else that is unhealthy for other people, then clearly you just hate fat people. If you really cared about others' health, you would comment on all unhealthy things, not just be rude to people who are overweight and pretend it's out of concern. I hate when people do that. I feel the same way with "Christians" who act like they're against gay people because of religion but are fine with getting drunk and having pre-marital sex. Just say the truth, that you hate gay people. Don't lie and hide behind your religion, just say the truth about why you're saying what you're saying. I wish people would quit hiding behind something that protects them, such as claiming they are only saying rude things because they "care about health" or it just their "religious views" so that people will let them say it.
@@hailyjohnson407 People need to realize that even if you have a "reason" to be rude, they are still just as rude only with an added bonus of hypocritical.
“Fatphobia” isn’t a real thing. Telling a fat person to lose weight isn’t a phobia. It’s showing concern. It’s glorifying obesity that’s dangerous. If you care for your fat friend you will not enable their obesity but challenge it!!
I worked for Kirby in Australia for 3 months making appointments for sales staff to go to people's houses for a "free" carpet clean, didn't realise how predatory they were till I left, the worst ever 😖
personally i love the longer videos!! i'm an artist so i'm constantly looking for longer content like podcasts etc that i can listen to while i draw, so the longer videos are really nice for me ☺️ but i'll listen regardless of length!! love you girl keep it up
MLM's have such a toxic mindset! My brother tried to get me and my boyfriend involved in one a few years ago. We politely declined him several times and when he wouldn't let up we were honest and said that we weren't interested because the reviews we googled on the company he was signing up for were all severely negative and I never trust anything that looks like a pyramid scheme. He got so mad at the both of us that he accused me of never supporting him and he told me to NEVER come to him when I need help. That was shocking in itself to hear him say that but the worst part is just a month prior I had helped him out during a very dark point in his life and that was how he repaid me. The fact that he chose a scam company over his own family was really saddening and I was upset for quite awhile. But about a month or two after that he had messaged both of us to apologize so it seems he seen the light. But that could have completely damaged our relationship and I still think it's affected it a little bit.
Wow, same 😆 she brought her kid and as soon as I saw him I knew I was in for it. She got on the phone with her “manager” who brought the price down to almost half of what she originally pitched. I was pissed. First you try to play on my emotions by bringing your kid and then you magically get the price down lower, and lower, and lower…
UGH the story about the personal trainer grinds my gears. As an ACTUAL fitness professional I can tell you that is crossing SO many boundaries and trust lines. Disgusting. AND the message at the end where she is trying to guilt that person for leaving her? Gross. Customer service isn't for everyone and I hate to hear about experiences like that with other trainers.
Great video! One of the most important things I’ve learned throughout my adulthood is, adults don’t give reasons. I just say some version of “no, thank you,” and move on. Anything from invites to events to questions I don’t want to answer. I say no, and then look them in the eye. It works 100% of the time.
The first time I came across “It Works” was at my dad’s house a few months back, he had some random product I can’t remember what it was. But I remember picking it up, reading the brand, and saying “this is called ‘It Works’? This product sounds like a scam..they have to use the name to convince us it works? That sounds bad…” guess I was right 😂
28:20 It's not just what the Kirby sales rep feels she has to do. It's what she's been trained to do. They go through at least a week of training about this very thing. The first time the customer says no, do this; the second time, do this; if the customer wants you to leave in the middle of the demo, do this; if they want to ask their spouse before purchasing, do this. Is it wrong? Absolutely! But they're told to do it, and they're told it's an effective way to make sales.
You really delivered on making us a binge-able library of content! Holy cow, it seems like it was just a couple of months ago that you were working toward building a playlist-well done, lady! Thanks for all the hard work!
Being assertive just once can give you so much power. It’ll feel good. I promise. In this situation. I just realized I had a vacuum MLM experience back in 2010
As a military spouse I can also confirm so many spouses get roped into MLMs. I went to around 20 “parties” within first two years of being a military spouse. I stopped hanging out with military spouses because they all tried to get me to either join their MLM or purchase their products monthly.
I’ve been watching anti mlm UA-camrs for maybe 2 years now. I have a few of my favorites and you have definitely become one. Main reason is the analysis is solid, you have good arguments, and you’re kind about it. Some others can be a bit mean spirited, which I don’t agree with. Thanks for making this content a priority, more people need to be aware of how harmful mlm’s can be.
I almost thought I had made up my family's Kirby experience because it was so uncomfortable and bizarre. They offered to vacuum our basement family room as an example since that was the only carpet left in our house. They definitely stayed for around 5 hours, it was probably 8 or 9pm by the time they finally left. My older brother was googling them during our presentation and kept telling my mom not to entertain them any longer. She's much too nice and had a really hard time getting rid of them. The Kirby reps were constantly "calling their manager to get us a better rate" AFTER we said we didn't want one! I'm so glad I didn't make that up and other people experienced the same thing.
Dearrrrrr goddddd that Kirby story 😳 What awful behavior!!! When people are violating your space, time, and emotional well-being, IT'S OKAY TO RISK OFFENDING THEM. Practice speaking up and protecting your boundaries. It's hard, but I promise it gets easier with practice! 💜💜💜
"Dancing around the subject of expecting the person to WANT to lose weight" Okay this reminds me of when I worked at a popular craft store that had Senior Discount days every month or so. The person was supposed to show his or her ID for their age and they got the discount. They're supposed to know and use it. But I actually had a couple of customers who were like, "Hey I just came here yesterday, why didn't you tell me about the senior discount?" And I was like 🧐 like I was really going to go "Hey customer! You look OLD! Want to claim your senior discount?!" lmaooo One day I legit said loudly at my register, "I can't win!!" Man I loved that job, it was so fun.
I suppose you could kill ‘‘em with kindness by going “Oh, wow, you don’t look that old!” And I always LOVE hearing stories of subtly insulting rude ladies lol.
Wow, nearly at 30k, while you just had a live for 21k. Looks like the youtube-Gods are liking what you're sharing! BTW, longer content = better content. As long as it's doable for you of course. Anything under 90 mins on x1.25 playback speed is not too intimidating, while doing chores or other stuff.
Watching this video, I get a “Hey Brittany !! Has anyone ever shared Rodan + Fields with you?!” from someone I have never spoken to. Such perfect timing 🤣
I love longer videos Hannah, it makes me able to put down the phone and work on whatever it is I need to do knowing I have a good hour before needing to find something else to watch. And you are very soothing and well-spoken and sweet so that's the cherry on top !
I'm binging your older videos and wanted to say first that you are so awesome for raising awareness about MLMs. In Canada, students have to take a Careers course throughout high-school that prepares them for whatever career or job they want. I always teach a unit on MLMs and I've shown clips of your podcast before. I also wanted to say that I had never heard of SeneGence and Googled them after hearing about them in a couple of your videos. I have heard of the Lip Sense line though. Now because I searched them I'm getting tons of social media ads about them when I've never seen them on social media before. Lol. Oh algorithms helping out the MLM huns. But, I shouldn't curse the algorithms too much as that's how I found your channel. Keep educating about this important topic. As an educator myself I've always believed knowledge is power. 💪 💜
The horror stories are really enjoyable in the way you present them! I like the longer length (as long as it’s okay for you) and wouldn’t mind additional horror story videos or a couple of horror story videos in a row. Anything you are willing to share with us is great. Thank you for your work to create, educate and share. 💃❤️
I found your channel 3 days ago and you had me do my first ever binge of videos. I watched all of them. All the way to your first fails video. I'll have to send you my horror stories (yes plural). I can't wait for more videos. Keep up the fantastic work
We had a very similar experience with a Kerby salesperson. A younger woman showed up at our apartment and spent 5 hours cleaning basically every inch even though we said no multiple times. She kept calling her boss to get us discounts, but we still weren't going to pay $1000 for a vacuum. By the end, she was cleaning our apartment in tears telling us how she was a single mom and how she was going to get into trouble for not making a sale. So sad.
I absolutely cannot believe the Kirby you referred to in the thumbnail was the same one I (well my Mum actually) had experience of. I have never known my mum get so annoyed at a stranger. I am nearly 42 and was only 8-10 when the Kirby salesperson visited our house so the affect he had on my Mum must have had a huge impact on me. My Mum, one of the most mild mannered people you will ever meet was already getting irritated because he wouldn't go but when he told her she was putting her kids at risk from the dust mites she was allowing to continue to live in their mattresses because she said no to buying his damn vacuum cleaner. I honestly thought she was literally going to pick him up and launch him out the door. But it looks like the product and practices haven't changed in 35 years. Thanks for your amazing videos.
A few medical issues combined with my always-present insomnia has lead to me consuming ALL.the.content. & stumbling on new creators over the past week or so. Needless to say, Hannah, you are still my favorite! I was beyond excited for your video today! I definitely enjoy the longer videos, but I understand that they aren’t always feasible. Regardless of length, I appreciate your take on these stories, topics, & companies. Thank you for putting your spin on things & sharing with the masses!
Is there really anyone out there who is complaining about longer videos from you, Hannah?! I, for one, could listen to your commentary all day, so I’ll be here for any videos you make.
For the first 6 months my job paid for my training, mileage, hotels, meals as well as all the shifts I picked up (you get paid a little extra working nights and weekends) and now as a full time employee I still get overtime pay for training and mileage and hotels if it’s out of town. I also get double time and stat pay. Long story short I turned down the Monat pitch lol. Furthermore I actually LOVE my job! Thanks Hannah ❤️
I loved loved the longer video . I am off work atm recovering from a pulmonary embolism and I am slowly pottering around . Having your video to listen to as I do so has been awesome . Love your work xxx
I used to watch Gardners Quad squad from almost the beginning as raising quadruples was very interesting to me. I noticed Ashley was starting to sell Lipsence a lot, but I didn't know much about MLMs so I didn't give it much thought. She certainly was pushing the products and never really mentioned recruting on her youtube. However the content on their social media started go get really strange and negative. Then she posted a reel on her instagram saying: "When people say direct sales doesn't work- You didn't work". I was shocked and couldn't understand why anyone would say something so cruel about people, especially since she always clamed to be such a kind woman of faith. This was the reason I started doing research on MLMs and now I realize this is a classic MLM victim blaming tactic. I was really dissapointed in her and I don't follow her content anymore.
I love your channel! My youngest daughter shares your first name. 🥰 I got to thinking recently that my vulnerability that I can now see was preyed upon in the past was loneliness. I think a lot of women go through a season where all their time is occupied by childcare and chores, while their partner seems to be allowed to 'have friends, hobbies, ideas, and interests' outside of the home. And Mom? Good for chores, childcare, and meals. And that can seem like that's all. So in that loneliness, someone swoops in with what seems like a message of hope for having friends and doing anything that ISN'T serving anyone else but yourself. It's sad. I'm excited that I found your channel. Keep up the great work. ♡
Yes to the longer format on the mlm horror stories. I actually pop them on for my long commute to and from work and they're always just under what my drive is. I love that I don't have to look at the screen and I can just listen to a great story and great reactions. I pulled a few of your videos up when my wife and I were visiting her parents (hour and a half drive) and she's added you to her sleep playlist for when she goes to bed as she likes to listen to stories as she falls asleep. It's the perfect format for both of our needs.
literally same with the kirby reps, wouldnt leave for over 6 hours and was holding the pen in my hand trying to force me to sign with my husband on speakerphone telling them no
Omg that vacuum story was insane and had a great plot twist!! Such a great story (although you lost 5 hrs of your life) no harm was done and it is true mlm horror
Love the long ones!!! I get to do house work and hear about all of these peoples experiences. I have dodged so many bullets because of content like this! Thank you Hannah!!
Fyi- to the R+F story, your inference is right on track. I work in HR and am a Career Coach and can confidently say in my experience, an MLM on a resume would not be taken seriously and, these days, is actually probably worse than a gap. Of course, there's a chance the recruiter/hiring managers don't know that it's an MLM so with the right wording you might be able to get away with selling those transferable skills, but even then it could be scrutinized. At least when I worked with Timeshare Sales training, the hiring team was very selective with where the candidates got their experience because it is very difficult to fix off-brand and unethical sales tactics. Human Resources teams are now training leaders to think critically without judgement of resume gaps, especially considering the pandemmy. Meanwhile working for, and learning from, an unethical business will reflect badly if anyone in the hiring process is aware of how the company runs. I have actually thought about this a lot when hearing mlm stories of people quitting their jobs. Not only is it risky and not sustainable, when the recruits and sales run out or the company dissolves, reps have potentially imploded their career. They often wouldn't think or worry about that of course because the dream is to not return to a "dreaded 9-5" but it does a good job diminishing that option for them.
Please keep those long videos coming.❤❤❤ So informative. Breaks my heart to hear how evil people can be. Glad to have the face that I have... "don't f*** with me... don't even look at me." 24 years in the Army, NYC raised will do for anyone. I wouldn't be your hun.
I'm in for the longer videos. Also, not sure if this was planned, but I like that the ads pop up between stories as to not take away from the story you're sharing. -- thanks for these!
I am not sure why UA-cam suggested your videos to me. I have never watched an anit-MLM video, didn't even know there was a "community" on them. I am obsessed and have been binge-watching them on my "down" days. It has had me rehashing my life. Do you like tales of kidnapping for a "job interview"?, grandmothers meeting their first grandchild for the first time and then leaving that meeting for their MLM party?, Family going into debt (thousands), being shamed for getting ICU level sick? Bring forced to wear the MLM makeup on YOUR wedding day? and more?? Then girl, have I got the novel for you!
It's amazing to see your growth on here. Thank you for all you do and getting the word out there. P.S. love the longer videos. But definitely do what works for you. You're quickly building a core group of people who respect you and compassion to these MLM horror stories. I can speak for myself, I'll pretty much watch anything you put out. 💜
I have experienced the Kirby pitch 3 times and they are classic for having the screen door already open and step right into your home uninvited. Then they tag team you when the first representative can't make the sale. They never cleaned even one whole room of carpet during there visit. The third time this happened to me the sales lady did comment that her parents and grandparents both sold Kirby vacuums. Poor girl didn't have a chance to venture outside the Kirby mlm. (Cult like in my opinion)
they've been to my house 3 times as well!! I've sat through the presentation twice. Glad I"m not alone in this. The 2 times I watched it they asked the "right" questions to get into my house, the first time I got one to get them out of my house (had 3 days to return it so I did). The 2nd time I just kept saying no. The one time I didn't sit thru it they said they were from Kirby and I never let them in.
I’m a pink sparkle crown princess. I don’t need an MLM to tell me that.
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Lmfao I was in SeneGence for around 4 months before I left and good God when I realized I was working toward becoming a Crown Princess I about died 😅 Clearly the founder never got invited to prom 🤣
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dont forget: people staying in your house after you've asked them to leave are trespassing
exactly. Call the police.
I just commented above asking if this was legal, haha. i had a kirby guy at my house for 5 hours +, i am in Australia, so i guess they are the same all around the world.
@@asian_man7839 wow, youd think they would want to talk to as many people as possible. not hold 1 person hostage in their own home. its definitely not legal!
I'm lucky that if somehow I get one of those reps in my house, the police are two blocks away. They wouldn't be able to leave fast enough
“No thanks, I love the way my body looks” is the energy this world needs wayyyy more of…. All hail the Q U E E N 👑
The confidence. The style. The GRACE of that response. That person could legit ruin MLMs with a look if she decided to.
Love that message. Very Lizzo inspired!
@@iwapuniwai273 who is Lizzo?
Learning how to close the door while saying "I'm not interested" is a great skill to cultivate. The more you do it the easier it gets. And don't look at it as being mean, look at it as helping them to find a new career path.
Yes! I’ve learned the balance between basic politeness and a firm “no”. I found it’s important to express clearly that I will not have any interest (rather than making an excuse about being busy etc.) so they know it’ll be a waste of time trying again!
@@mishaa7263 Please don't get anxiety over this, be glad that there are people who care about our democracy. The thing you should be anxious about is what could happen to it if rational people check out and wackobirds (think Qanon) take over.
"You dont owe anyone your politeness
I did that to two young men asking me if I wanted to about the word of God. You know , the white shirt and tie, riding in pairs on bicycles. I just said no thankyou, closed and locked the door.
@@Bjorksbackyard As someone who used to go door to door, this is so much preferable than making an excuse. Just tell people you’re not interested and close the door. They know it’s part of the job and they’ll (usually) just leave and not come back.
As I've gotten older, I've stopped caring if I upset someone by simply saying "no, I'm not interested". The more the push, the ruder I get. I feel so terrible for the mother. It's not easy for everyone!
They encourage customers to sign up "for the discount," which IMO is one of the biggest examples of it being a pyramid scheme. If it weren't, wouldn't you want to keep those people as CUSTOMERS? Because businesses need customers? But nope, sign up to be a distributor, because pyramid schemes need members, not customers.
Eloquently put!
I’m realizing the sellers are the customers 😭
Guys guys guys!! I just remembered something! A long time ago, I watched the Safiya Nygaard video where she tried super long lasting lipstick. I thought it sounded about right to be LipSense, and it actually was! No shade to Safiya; I’m pretty sure she didn’t know it was an MLM, but wow!! ua-cam.com/video/NOIYosH2weE/v-deo.htmlsi=aLFam-HLqO4swl7N
I love the longer videos! I typically “listen” to the horror stories while cleaning up or doing a hobby like painting, so it’s great when they are long!!!
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Me too ☺️.. makes doing house chores easy
The longer the videos the better, I need more content to listen to while I work.
I love listening to it before falling asleep :)
@@TheAKfactor Hannah is a good one to listen to before bed, she has such a calming voice. 😌
@@thriftshopdaydream6868 so true! I’m about to go to bed now, and she’s so relaxing I fall asleep every time and then have to rewind the last little bit lol
I also listen at work, so the longer the better.
Exactly this. And falling asleep.
The absolute brass cajones of the Kirby salesman! And FIVE HOURS! I would have started charging rent. Love your work, you, your cats. Be well!
I got the Kirby thing as a single woman living alone in a very new subdivision that had very few residents. By a MALE rep. I had to pick up the phone to call the police to get him to leave, after dumping dust on my carpet AFTER I told him I had asthma! He went outside and sat on the curb until his upline picked him up. Her was a pathetic kind of young guy, so I felt sorry for him. In hindsight, he could have been a serial killer. They use such sneaky tactics to make you let them in and let them mess up your house. *shudder*
How are all these trusting people letting salespeople into their homes? I’m a non-confrontational person, but I answer the door with my dog at my side and no stranger is getting in without a warrant. One of the most common ways for thieves to case a home is to obtain entry on some pretext to look around, and come back later to rob it.
I had someone from a local company come to try and sell me something, and I carefully stepped outside and deliberately left the glass door closed without the wooden door. The guy started his spiel, and not 2 seconds later, my reactive dog SLAMMED against the glass and started yelling, causing him to step back from me instinctively.
She's mellowed out since the new epilepsy meds, and I kinda miss having a protective pup to tell people to back off when I'm working at home during the day!
Oh my gosh! The vacuum cleaner people will consume your whole day. He said it would only take 45 minutes and he was there for well over 4 hours and it was my and my husband’s only day off together all week. I was so upset and every time we told him we had plans and weren’t interested we would give us a sob story. It was awful. It was at least 15 years ago, but I’ll never forget it.
yeah same.. they told us it would take like 15 minutes and 3 plus hours later... was so annoyed and they did this to me twice because they aren't upfront about why they were there... they came a total of 3 times to my house. the one time they said they were Kirby and I said no. They just ask the right questions and then next thing you know they are in your house doing this presentation.
@@kimberlya7267 so sneaky.
I felt so scared for the safety of this woman's children! If I was that woman, I would have blew up on the man for barging in! WEIRDO.
And no offense, but WHY is her toddler answering the door for strangers?! 😳
The only positive from that experience is it proves you are a truly caring person and going forward never let anyone question you about your compassion, even while you are pushing them out the door, if not calling the police.
Police!!!!
Always remember you can call the police if people won't leave your home, even if you originally invited them in.
OH.MY.GAWD. I absolutely cannot get over the Kirby crew! I’m still shocked the manager just WALKED INTO HER HOME UNINVITED! And just like you and her, I am too nice and I don’t know what I would have done in the moment either! That story blew me away! How horrifying!
right, literally. I honestly probably would have been like “oh well have to reschedule I actually have to leave for work right now” or some other excuse. That is absolutely insane.
My mom (who is non confrontational) had to deal with a kirby pitch like this. Good thing my 7 year old brother had no social ettiquette declared "if you buy a vaccum cleaner and I can't go to space camp I am running away" after hearing the $1200 price tag. That certainly helped her stay strong on that no.
@@shivendetta3801 🤣🤣🤣
That kid had the best response ever .
Thank lord for kids with no social filters ei?
the second story, and your response to it, made me tear up a little tbh. i'm so used to creators in the anti-mlm space being somewhat okay with mlms like beachbody and itworks BECAUSE of the internalized fatphobia so many people have from the diet culture that pervades our society. i usually feel compelled to leave comments like "actually, diets generally don't work" or "not everyone wants to lose weight" - for once, i don't have to leave uncomfortable feedback on a video like this. thank you, hannah
i'm fat & am still learning to love my own body, more successes than not these days luckily :^) hearing other fat people share the sentiment of being happy & not wanting to lose weight means so much, & it means a lot the way hannah reacted too. 🧡
I think people like the longer videos because maybe (like me) they use them like podcasts and listen whilst doing other things ☺️
Has anyone noticed that MLM recruiters that target college students often seem to have *no* clue what college is actually like?
They seem to think it’s like Saved By The Bell or some other similarly twee show where students spend very little time in class or studying and mostly hang out with their friends, throw parties, know everyone in the school, and have limitless money.
When I was in college I (and most of my friends) had a full time job, every spare minute was spent studying, and I was so broke that some weeks the only food I ate was ramen and whatever I literally stole from the restaurant I worked at (usually breadsticks, fries, or the odd wrong order a customer sent back).
The MLM recruiters that tell college students (especially ones with a job and/or parents) that they’ll be able to fit in an MLM “job” are either clueless or deliberately deceptive.
oh my god this vacuum story. i would never let a stranger into my home (i honestly have rudely shut the door at so many people quickly - i’ve had some super weird non-mlm experiences), but if i was in that situation & the boss walked into my home unannounced i would have threatened to call the cops. i feel bad for that poor sales rep. 18 year olds are still kids.
Re: the Monat hun, in those instances it's hard for women to establish boundaries, because we're accustomed to fostering relationships. Ignoring the first text's inappropriateness made her think that more were welcome.
If anyone else experiences this don't feel bad about saying, "Thank you for the offer. I am sure you have my interests in mind, but I am not interested in this product or any business opportunity. Please respect my wishes not to involve me in the future."
Exactly! I say “Thank you for thinking of me, I appreciate it and you. However, I am good. Please remove me from your list. Thank you kindly and I sincerely wish you all the best!”!
Having boundaries isn't "being rude" or "not being kind". Thankyou for reminding us of that fact!
One of those sweeper reps wouldn’t leave our house either when my husband and I were first married. We had a little baby, it was 11PM, and finally when he and his “partner” went outside to talk, we locked them out of the house and went to bed.
Am I Boston crazy?! I would tell anyone that shows up at my door to eff off, other people don’t do this?!??
This Kirby pitch is boiling my introverted blood so much. I too feel bad being assertive in the moment. Before I got a no soliciting sign I remember one dude asking if my husband was home to talk to. Like dude, this isn’t the 60s. The only soliciting I do accept now are Girl Scouts selling cookies.
That waving trick is super sneaky btw. Oh and congrats on your growth over the past week or so. Looks like someone’s close to 30k now…!
I am a personal trainer at a gym, the trainer in story 3 was way out of line and she should be fired for that predatory behavior and harassment
The same thing happened with me and the Kirby vacuum people. I hid in my room for like 6 hours while my husband hung out with the Kirby guy. I'm autistic which makes having someone in my space unannounced freaks me out on multiple levels. I had a panic attack at the 3 hour mark when he was still there. He was done after only 2 hours but he had to wait until the stupid boss guy showed up to pick him up.
It happened to me too! My exhusband let the guy in because he said he’d clean the carpet in one room for free. Our son was about a year old at the time, and the salesman was leaving little pads covered in dust all over the couch and tables. He said he just had to sell one more vacuum set to win a trip to Vegas and he’d “take all of us with him”. I told my husband this guy HAD to go as I had to give my son a bath and lay him down for bed. This man stayed in our house until 10 PM waiting for his upline to pick him up!!!!! I was BEYOND pissed off and I don’t understand why Kirby thinks this is a good sales model
This happened while I was visiting a friend. They received a letter advertising a free carpet shampoo so they decided to book an appointment. A young man was dropped off at the fairly isolated home. He said his manager would pick him up. He set up an advertisement for a free trip to Hawaii. He proceeded to give a very long winded demonstration of the vacuum cleaner. It was amusing at first but it just went on and on. My friend’s husband asked him when he was going to shampoo the carpet and that he said he would only be there for less than an hour. He was trying very hard to make the vacuum cleaner seem like the wonder machine and pointed out the free trip to Hawaii which HE would get if my friend bought the machine. My friend’s husband questioned why anyone would feel obliged to buy a $2000 vacuum cleaner so that the salesman gets a free trip, and told him to finish up, clean the carpet and go. The salesman asked him whether he would buy the Kirby if he had the money. He said he would rather buy a motor bike.
I thought this was hilarious but enough was enough and the salesman was asked to go. He rang his manager and, although we couldn’t hear what the manager said, he told the manager that the customer would prefer a motor bike.
He stayed a lot longer and eventually cleaned the carpet and did a pretty mediocre job of it.
It was getting late in the day and still no one picking the guy up so my friend’s hubby told him that he could stop and enjoy a drink with us and then go. If this meant walking down the long country driveway and waiting for his lift, it was up to him to make the manager get him.
It was really bad. No matter how good the product is, I wouldn’t buy it. I don’t know how any of the sales people could get any job satisfaction and it could be dangerous for them because they make people angry
Tip from a former sales person for those who feel anxiety about flat out shutting the door in someone’s face: while you *think* piling your “excuses” helps your case, it doesn’t. Do the opposite: Pick ONE excuse and stick to it. She went with “we can’t afford the vacuum”, then “my husband”. One. Keep repeating one. Usually the rule for d2d sales is if you hear the same “excuse” 3 times, then you should move on.
It looks like I’m not the only new subscriber enjoying your content! Congrats on your growth! I’ve been binging LOTS of your videos this week! 🙌🏻
I found her channel earlier this week and she's already a top favorite of mine! The growth is impressive and SO deserved. 😊
Hannah is the best!
I’ve been a *very* casual viewer of anti-mlm content in the past but I’ve been getting Hannah’s videos recommended to me a lot in the past week and I can’t get enough! I’m glad I’m not the only one because when I saw her subscriber count I was shocked it wasn’t higher!
Same!😁
Yes me too. I binged all her horror stories this week and i seebher grow every day so crazy!!!
Story 2 with the 'no i like how my body looks' hit me, I'm also fat and I LOVE my body, the fact this person immediately saw a fatter individual and decided they'd be prime real-estate and was SHOCKED that someone didn't want to change themselves (especially in such unhealthy ways). people immediately assuming that you want to lose weight/should lose weight is soooo gross
I agree! It’s what is wrong with our society. And I’ve been solicited based on my weight before as well!
To whoever sent in the convention/itworks story: you are an ICON!
My dad had a tactic when he wanted to be polite in declining a sales pitch. No matter the product, he had just gotten a new one and didn't need another.
I'm much less tactful.
As for the story with the unwelcome manager, having a stranger barge in uninvited is a good way to meet Mr. Cattle Prod or some of his high velocity friends.
I feel like we’re all gathered here again today, and we’re hanging out with a friend lol thanks so much for these videos. Crazy how I went from watching true crime everyday to just your anti mlm 😂 Been stuck on your videos, they’re such good quality and keep me busy at work. congratulations on the growth! 🥳☺️💕
Lol same I went from true crime junkie to anti mlm vids it’s great, mlms should be a crime tho! 🤣
@@Victoria-jg6ku hahaha yes and for sure! I can’t believe how deceiving they are and how criminal that truly is for vulnerable people 😭 my wife got a hun message lately for itworks and she brought it to me so excited she’d be able to spend time at home with our baby but I explained to her it’s just an impossible thing through this business model and how the person reaching out to her has been scammed. But it makes me sad because she had some hope.
Wild! Same here 😅 from true crime to ant-mlm.
I like longer ones, personally, although I could see how if someone only has 20 minutes or whatever it could keep them from putting it on. I tend to have things playing in the background while I work or do stuff around the house so longer is great for me. Congrats on your growth spurt 😂. It’s well-deserved. I really enjoy your content. Keep fighting the good fight!
It's been an annoyingly stressful day at work--this video couldn't have come at a better time!
I'm sorry you had a bad day :(
I hope tomorrow is better💕 here's a chick emoji 🐣
Idk, it makes *me* smile, maybe it'll work for you too 😂
Same! Listening this while I work on reporting at work! Hannah’s voice is so soothing and it helps with my stress lol
Same, it's financial year end at my job and it's busy. But still way better than an MLM!
@@janaicr9629 It made me smile!
@@schrdngrskat3847 yay!😊
Story #4 is infuriating. I do feel a little bad for the sales rep because it's clear she was desperate, but she violated all sorts of boundaries. I want to call the cops for the storyteller.
That trainer is BEYOND unprofessional!! I work at a gym, and have been a trainer for 7 years (you actually read my story a few videos back) and while I've gotten friendly with clients to the point of texting funny tiktoks or UA-cam videos that get referenced in our chats, I'd never ask them to buy anything I'm affiliated with. The only company I'm an affiliate with is a small indie brand makeup company that makes my favorite lip balms and a few multichrome shades I love (makeup is my hobby). If I happen to be wearing one of those shades and a client asks about it, I'll mention the name and that I have an affiliate code that can get them a discount. But I'd never dream of harassing anyone about it! That trainer should be reported IMHO.
Also, I hate the focus on weight loss all these MLMs push - strength, confidence, mental health benefits and so much more are much better reasons to workout than losing weight ...
We need more trainers like you 🖤🖤🖤 and just people in general. You’re the first person I’ve seen speak of exercising for therapy, for enjoyment and confidence rather than weight loss. Please never stop being you
I think what saves me from the few MLM here in Italy are two things: I don't have social medias at all and don't want them (people say when I say no, I sound like a person you don't discuss with) and if you walk into my house after I open the door or say I'm not interested I always say "ok, now I'm calling the police if you don't march your ass out of my house...your choice, jail or going away" with my phone already in my hand.
I love when UA-cam suggests me a video that brings me to a channel that I end up really loving! Been binging your content. As a military spouse, a target group for MLMs because we are so transient and a lot of us work from home, I see so much of this and it’s so sad. Thank you for shining a light!
The amount of sheer confidence from that OP who said "no thanks, I like my body the way it is" is truly a sight to imagine. Yall realize that that OP, no matter how she looks is a threat to like 80% of advertising??? Like, omg goals!
💯! She didn't say her body is perfect, or even healthy. But she genuinely loves her body! I've been struggling to love my body for as long as I remember. I really would love to know how to cultivate that genuine healthy confidence.
@@tiararoxeanne1318 my guess is either a) parents instilled that confidence from an early age. Or b) therapy. Lots of work in therapy.
a body doesn't have to be healthy or perfect to deserve to be loved 🧡 i hope you're continuing to be gentle with how you feel about your body, i'm on the same journey too :^)
@@MossTunic thank you! And I'm getting there, for sure. The last couple years have been rough in numerous ways and I've gained a good amount of weight, but I refuse to sink my progress I've made in loving myself by throwing myself into an obsession with being thin. I'm fairly active (getting more active since I adopted a second, very energetic dog), I don't drink, and my doctor gave my blood work results an A+. Anyone saying anything about my appearance out of "concern for my health" can shove it.
That’s a great response to anything we are approached with (I love my hair, I am full of energy, I love my makeup, etc). What can they say if you are at max level of satisfaction the way you are already
I am so happy I live somewhere that door to door sales aren’t allowed. Crazy to have someone in your my home for 5 hours
I got recommended your you from an unrelated video about a week ago and I’ve been binging ever since! I’ve always known MLMs were a bad idea but never knew how deep it went. My mom sold Avon in the mid 2000’s and I don’t remember her having a horror story, but I still get those little perfume samples as stocking stuffers routinely 😂 I’ll have to ask her more about her experience. Thank you so much you’re doing the lord’s work out here 🙏 💕
Hannah I saw right through a shitty marketing tactic today and avoided losing over 100$. I don’t know if I would have caught it if it wasn’t for you and your videos! Thank you and keep being so wonderful, positive, and kind-hearted!
Woohoo! Go you!!!
@@HannahAlonzo actually SCREAMED that you responded!!! Good luck Hannah!!
Hannah's got to be breaking some kind of record with her growth. So amazing!!
Before I knew that Kirby was an MLM company, I had let my friend do a demo for me cuz she needed to make her quota. She already knew that we weren't interested but I was still impressed by what it pulled up. We chatted about various things alongside her saying "are you ok with me giving you the speech in my binder?" I said I was fine with that and when my husband came home on his lunch break (her and I were both military spouses) she said she had to call her "boss". Her boss then talked to my husband on the phone and asked what vacuum we have. He said "we have a Eureka and it works really well". The boss/upline's response was "I know you're active duty and have a lot to worry about with going out of state for training or the chance of deployment. When your wife is cleaning the house while you're gone, do you want her to be using something that is 'pretty good' or 'the best thing you've ever had'?" He, very matter of fact, said "I'd rather end up replacing a $50 vacuum from walmart than spend $3,000 on your glorified dustbuster". My friend laughed and said she was getting ready to leave the company anyway because she wasn't comfortable going door to door.
so happy for the girl in the second story. fatphobia kills, and i'm so glad to hear a person enjoy and thrive in their body in the face of people trying to impose shame on them
To anyone thinking 'But it's so unhealthy!'
When you meet someone, who smokes, do you also feel entitled to tell them to stop immediately? No? Well, maybe it's also not your place to tell them they have an unhealthy weight. It's none of your business, you clearly don't care about their health. This is between them and maybe their doctor.
@@JuMiKu I agree with this 100%. I'm all about equal treatment. If you wouldn't comment on anything else that is unhealthy for other people, then clearly you just hate fat people. If you really cared about others' health, you would comment on all unhealthy things, not just be rude to people who are overweight and pretend it's out of concern. I hate when people do that.
I feel the same way with "Christians" who act like they're against gay people because of religion but are fine with getting drunk and having pre-marital sex. Just say the truth, that you hate gay people. Don't lie and hide behind your religion, just say the truth about why you're saying what you're saying.
I wish people would quit hiding behind something that protects them, such as claiming they are only saying rude things because they "care about health" or it just their "religious views" so that people will let them say it.
@@hailyjohnson407 People need to realize that even if you have a "reason" to be rude, they are still just as rude only with an added bonus of hypocritical.
@@JuMiKu that part!!!!!
“Fatphobia” isn’t a real thing. Telling a fat person to lose weight isn’t a phobia. It’s showing concern. It’s glorifying obesity that’s dangerous. If you care for your fat friend you will not enable their obesity but challenge it!!
I worked for Kirby in Australia for 3 months making appointments for sales staff to go to people's houses for a "free" carpet clean, didn't realise how predatory they were till I left, the worst ever 😖
OMG almost to 30k subs!!!! Are you kidding?! You were just at like what 24k last week? So excited for you!
personally i love the longer videos!! i'm an artist so i'm constantly looking for longer content like podcasts etc that i can listen to while i draw, so the longer videos are really nice for me ☺️ but i'll listen regardless of length!! love you girl keep it up
Glad I'm not the only artist who binges on Hannah while creating! I sculpt and so longer videos are my jam!
MLM's have such a toxic mindset! My brother tried to get me and my boyfriend involved in one a few years ago. We politely declined him several times and when he wouldn't let up we were honest and said that we weren't interested because the reviews we googled on the company he was signing up for were all severely negative and I never trust anything that looks like a pyramid scheme. He got so mad at the both of us that he accused me of never supporting him and he told me to NEVER come to him when I need help. That was shocking in itself to hear him say that but the worst part is just a month prior I had helped him out during a very dark point in his life and that was how he repaid me. The fact that he chose a scam company over his own family was really saddening and I was upset for quite awhile. But about a month or two after that he had messaged both of us to apologize so it seems he seen the light. But that could have completely damaged our relationship and I still think it's affected it a little bit.
Thanks for sharing the perspective about how military families can be susceptible to MLM’s - and thank you for your and your family’s service.
Wow, same 😆 she brought her kid and as soon as I saw him I knew I was in for it. She got on the phone with her “manager” who brought the price down to almost half of what she originally pitched. I was pissed. First you try to play on my emotions by bringing your kid and then you magically get the price down lower, and lower, and lower…
UGH the story about the personal trainer grinds my gears. As an ACTUAL fitness professional I can tell you that is crossing SO many boundaries and trust lines. Disgusting. AND the message at the end where she is trying to guilt that person for leaving her? Gross. Customer service isn't for everyone and I hate to hear about experiences like that with other trainers.
Great video! One of the most important things I’ve learned throughout my adulthood is, adults don’t give reasons. I just say some version of “no, thank you,” and move on. Anything from invites to events to questions I don’t want to answer. I say no, and then look them in the eye. It works 100% of the time.
The first time I came across “It Works” was at my dad’s house a few months back, he had some random product I can’t remember what it was. But I remember picking it up, reading the brand, and saying “this is called ‘It Works’? This product sounds like a scam..they have to use the name to convince us it works? That sounds bad…” guess I was right 😂
Your anti mlm stories are by far my favorite. I love the longer length. Keep it up!
Hi Cooper 👋
A big yes on the longer videos, I love putting them on while I'm cleaning!
Thankyou for all that you do 💖
28:20 It's not just what the Kirby sales rep feels she has to do. It's what she's been trained to do. They go through at least a week of training about this very thing. The first time the customer says no, do this; the second time, do this; if the customer wants you to leave in the middle of the demo, do this; if they want to ask their spouse before purchasing, do this. Is it wrong? Absolutely! But they're told to do it, and they're told it's an effective way to make sales.
The way the boss acted when he showed up in that story, they'd have given me a demo of how well it picks up teeth from carpet.
You really delivered on making us a binge-able library of content! Holy cow, it seems like it was just a couple of months ago that you were working toward building a playlist-well done, lady! Thanks for all the hard work!
Being assertive just once can give you so much power. It’ll feel good. I promise. In this situation.
I just realized I had a vacuum MLM experience back in 2010
As a military spouse I can also confirm so many spouses get roped into MLMs. I went to around 20 “parties” within first two years of being a military spouse. I stopped hanging out with military spouses because they all tried to get me to either join their MLM or purchase their products monthly.
I watch most of the anti-mlm creators but you are my fave. Thanks for doing what you do.
I’ve been watching anti mlm UA-camrs for maybe 2 years now. I have a few of my favorites and you have definitely become one. Main reason is the analysis is solid, you have good arguments, and you’re kind about it. Some others can be a bit mean spirited, which I don’t agree with. Thanks for making this content a priority, more people need to be aware of how harmful mlm’s can be.
Having a really bad days, and I found that listening to your voice really helps. Thank you
I almost thought I had made up my family's Kirby experience because it was so uncomfortable and bizarre. They offered to vacuum our basement family room as an example since that was the only carpet left in our house. They definitely stayed for around 5 hours, it was probably 8 or 9pm by the time they finally left. My older brother was googling them during our presentation and kept telling my mom not to entertain them any longer. She's much too nice and had a really hard time getting rid of them. The Kirby reps were constantly "calling their manager to get us a better rate" AFTER we said we didn't want one! I'm so glad I didn't make that up and other people experienced the same thing.
oooooh a 50 min horror story video?? YESS!! I'm ready to relax and listen to this! :)
Dearrrrrr goddddd that Kirby story 😳 What awful behavior!!! When people are violating your space, time, and emotional well-being, IT'S OKAY TO RISK OFFENDING THEM. Practice speaking up and protecting your boundaries. It's hard, but I promise it gets easier with practice! 💜💜💜
"Dancing around the subject of expecting the person to WANT to lose weight" Okay this reminds me of when I worked at a popular craft store that had Senior Discount days every month or so. The person was supposed to show his or her ID for their age and they got the discount. They're supposed to know and use it. But I actually had a couple of customers who were like, "Hey I just came here yesterday, why didn't you tell me about the senior discount?" And I was like 🧐 like I was really going to go "Hey customer! You look OLD! Want to claim your senior discount?!" lmaooo
One day I legit said loudly at my register, "I can't win!!" Man I loved that job, it was so fun.
It's always fun to offer rude customers the senior discount. Especially middle aged women. But only if they're mean 1st LOL
I suppose you could kill ‘‘em with kindness by going “Oh, wow, you don’t look that old!”
And I always LOVE hearing stories of subtly insulting rude ladies lol.
Just discovered you and I am totally obsessed LOL I'm in the middle of a binge watching you and a new video was a perfect timing 😊
Wow, nearly at 30k, while you just had a live for 21k. Looks like the youtube-Gods are liking what you're sharing!
BTW, longer content = better content. As long as it's doable for you of course. Anything under 90 mins on x1.25 playback speed is not too intimidating, while doing chores or other stuff.
I’m watching 6 hours after you left this comment and she’s already at 30.3K!! Bananas! Also agree with the longer content. 😁
Watching this video, I get a “Hey Brittany !! Has anyone ever shared Rodan + Fields with you?!” from someone I have never spoken to. Such perfect timing 🤣
I love longer videos Hannah, it makes me able to put down the phone and work on whatever it is I need to do knowing I have a good hour before needing to find something else to watch. And you are very soothing and well-spoken and sweet so that's the cherry on top !
I'm binging your older videos and wanted to say first that you are so awesome for raising awareness about MLMs. In Canada, students have to take a Careers course throughout high-school that prepares them for whatever career or job they want. I always teach a unit on MLMs and I've shown clips of your podcast before. I also wanted to say that I had never heard of SeneGence and Googled them after hearing about them in a couple of your videos. I have heard of the Lip Sense line though. Now because I searched them I'm getting tons of social media ads about them when I've never seen them on social media before. Lol. Oh algorithms helping out the MLM huns. But, I shouldn't curse the algorithms too much as that's how I found your channel. Keep educating about this important topic. As an educator myself I've always believed knowledge is power. 💪 💜
The horror stories are really enjoyable in the way you present them! I like the longer length (as long as it’s okay for you) and wouldn’t mind additional horror story videos or a couple of horror story videos in a row. Anything you are willing to share with us is great. Thank you for your work to create, educate and share. 💃❤️
I found your channel 3 days ago and you had me do my first ever binge of videos. I watched all of them. All the way to your first fails video.
I'll have to send you my horror stories (yes plural). I can't wait for more videos. Keep up the fantastic work
We had a very similar experience with a Kerby salesperson. A younger woman showed up at our apartment and spent 5 hours cleaning basically every inch even though we said no multiple times. She kept calling her boss to get us discounts, but we still weren't going to pay $1000 for a vacuum. By the end, she was cleaning our apartment in tears telling us how she was a single mom and how she was going to get into trouble for not making a sale. So sad.
My murder documentaries have been on hold because i can’t stop watching these videos!!
I absolutely cannot believe the Kirby you referred to in the thumbnail was the same one I (well my Mum actually) had experience of. I have never known my mum get so annoyed at a stranger. I am nearly 42 and was only 8-10 when the Kirby salesperson visited our house so the affect he had on my Mum must have had a huge impact on me. My Mum, one of the most mild mannered people you will ever meet was already getting irritated because he wouldn't go but when he told her she was putting her kids at risk from the dust mites she was allowing to continue to live in their mattresses because she said no to buying his damn vacuum cleaner. I honestly thought she was literally going to pick him up and launch him out the door. But it looks like the product and practices haven't changed in 35 years.
Thanks for your amazing videos.
A few medical issues combined with my always-present insomnia has lead to me consuming ALL.the.content. & stumbling on new creators over the past week or so. Needless to say, Hannah, you are still my favorite! I was beyond excited for your video today!
I definitely enjoy the longer videos, but I understand that they aren’t always feasible. Regardless of length, I appreciate your take on these stories, topics, & companies. Thank you for putting your spin on things & sharing with the masses!
Is there really anyone out there who is complaining about longer videos from you, Hannah?! I, for one, could listen to your commentary all day, so I’ll be here for any videos you make.
For the first 6 months my job paid for my training, mileage, hotels, meals as well as all the shifts I picked up (you get paid a little extra working nights and weekends) and now as a full time employee I still get overtime pay for training and mileage and hotels if it’s out of town. I also get double time and stat pay. Long story short I turned down the Monat pitch lol. Furthermore I actually LOVE my job! Thanks Hannah ❤️
I loved loved the longer video . I am off work atm recovering from a pulmonary embolism and I am slowly pottering around . Having your video to listen to as I do so has been awesome . Love your work xxx
Yes to longer videos! I’m a dog walker and I like listening to your videos while I do my rounds so I love the longer videos.
I used to watch Gardners Quad squad from almost the beginning as raising quadruples was very interesting to me. I noticed Ashley was starting to sell Lipsence a lot, but I didn't know much about MLMs so I didn't give it much thought. She certainly was pushing the products and never really mentioned recruting on her youtube. However the content on their social media started go get really strange and negative. Then she posted a reel on her instagram saying: "When people say direct sales doesn't work- You didn't work".
I was shocked and couldn't understand why anyone would say something so cruel about people, especially since she always clamed to be such a kind woman of faith. This was the reason I started doing research on MLMs and now I realize this is a classic MLM victim blaming tactic. I was really dissapointed in her and I don't follow her content anymore.
I love your channel! My youngest daughter shares your first name. 🥰 I got to thinking recently that my vulnerability that I can now see was preyed upon in the past was loneliness. I think a lot of women go through a season where all their time is occupied by childcare and chores, while their partner seems to be allowed to 'have friends, hobbies, ideas, and interests' outside of the home. And Mom? Good for chores, childcare, and meals. And that can seem like that's all. So in that loneliness, someone swoops in with what seems like a message of hope for having friends and doing anything that ISN'T serving anyone else but yourself. It's sad.
I'm excited that I found your channel. Keep up the great work. ♡
Yes I love the longer videos cuz I like to clean and listen or do something while I listen 😊
Yes to the longer format on the mlm horror stories. I actually pop them on for my long commute to and from work and they're always just under what my drive is. I love that I don't have to look at the screen and I can just listen to a great story and great reactions.
I pulled a few of your videos up when my wife and I were visiting her parents (hour and a half drive) and she's added you to her sleep playlist for when she goes to bed as she likes to listen to stories as she falls asleep.
It's the perfect format for both of our needs.
I'm SO GLAD that CC suggested we check out your channel...I have been shamelessly binging!
literally same with the kirby reps, wouldnt leave for over 6 hours and was holding the pen in my hand trying to force me to sign with my husband on speakerphone telling them no
I’ve never gotten sucked into an MLM but I came across your channel and I’m obsessed! Been listening all day at work and at home too 😆
A great video to listen to on my lunch! I subscribed at 20k and I can’t believe you’re already going on 30k! Love watching you, Zeke, and Cooper!
Omg that vacuum story was insane and had a great plot twist!! Such a great story (although you lost 5 hrs of your life) no harm was done and it is true mlm horror
You were also randomly suggested to me and I’ve been binging for days haha
Love the long ones!!! I get to do house work and hear about all of these peoples experiences. I have dodged so many bullets because of content like this! Thank you Hannah!!
Fyi- to the R+F story, your inference is right on track. I work in HR and am a Career Coach and can confidently say in my experience, an MLM on a resume would not be taken seriously and, these days, is actually probably worse than a gap. Of course, there's a chance the recruiter/hiring managers don't know that it's an MLM so with the right wording you might be able to get away with selling those transferable skills, but even then it could be scrutinized. At least when I worked with Timeshare Sales training, the hiring team was very selective with where the candidates got their experience because it is very difficult to fix off-brand and unethical sales tactics. Human Resources teams are now training leaders to think critically without judgement of resume gaps, especially considering the pandemmy. Meanwhile working for, and learning from, an unethical business will reflect badly if anyone in the hiring process is aware of how the company runs.
I have actually thought about this a lot when hearing mlm stories of people quitting their jobs. Not only is it risky and not sustainable, when the recruits and sales run out or the company dissolves, reps have potentially imploded their career. They often wouldn't think or worry about that of course because the dream is to not return to a "dreaded 9-5" but it does a good job diminishing that option for them.
Please keep those long videos coming.❤❤❤ So informative. Breaks my heart to hear how evil people can be. Glad to have the face that I have... "don't f*** with me... don't even look at me." 24 years in the Army, NYC raised will do for anyone. I wouldn't be your hun.
Love the longer format because I really listen like a podcast
I'm in for the longer videos. Also, not sure if this was planned, but I like that the ads pop up between stories as to not take away from the story you're sharing. -- thanks for these!
I like how collected and genuine you are. You're voice is calming too, I can listen to you while I drive and run errands. You're awesome!
I am not sure why UA-cam suggested your videos to me. I have never watched an anit-MLM video, didn't even know there was a "community" on them. I am obsessed and have been binge-watching them on my "down" days. It has had me rehashing my life. Do you like tales of kidnapping for a "job interview"?, grandmothers meeting their first grandchild for the first time and then leaving that meeting for their MLM party?, Family going into debt (thousands), being shamed for getting ICU level sick? Bring forced to wear the MLM makeup on YOUR wedding day? and more?? Then girl, have I got the novel for you!
Send it in! Spill that tea!
@@maryeckel9682 I emailed it =)
It's amazing to see your growth on here. Thank you for all you do and getting the word out there.
P.S. love the longer videos. But definitely do what works for you. You're quickly building a core group of people who respect you and compassion to these MLM horror stories. I can speak for myself, I'll pretty much watch anything you put out. 💜
I have experienced the Kirby pitch 3 times and they are classic for having the screen door already open and step right into your home uninvited. Then they tag team you when the first representative can't make the sale. They never cleaned even one whole room of carpet during there visit. The third time this happened to me the sales lady did comment that her parents and grandparents both sold Kirby vacuums. Poor girl didn't have a chance to venture outside the Kirby mlm. (Cult like in my opinion)
they've been to my house 3 times as well!! I've sat through the presentation twice. Glad I"m not alone in this. The 2 times I watched it they asked the "right" questions to get into my house, the first time I got one to get them out of my house (had 3 days to return it so I did). The 2nd time I just kept saying no. The one time I didn't sit thru it they said they were from Kirby and I never let them in.
Idk how I found this channel, I have no experience with MLMs…but I can’t stop watching these😩😂
The person in the first story is still deeply brainwashed