In 2016 I lost my faith because of certain unanswered questions. "Right hand possessed" was one of them. After staying 7 years in wilderness of Atheism Allah guided me back. Looking back I wish these topics are introduced to young Muslims in totality early on. Ignoring them creates a greater harm
@@SevenMacEleven Okay then, but they repented and returned to the path? And how do you know the road one took wasn’t the one to lead them to allah, simmer your judgment we are all just trying our best..
@@demoncyborg5875 I feel like you can never justify taking slaves and having sex with them under a modern/post-modern paradigm. The paradigm of consent is very recent. Modern Islamic countries have also agreed upon this as mentioned by Sheikh Saalih Al-Fawzaan. One needs to understand that Islamic laws based on the Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, and Qiyas are what they are. I think the prospect of taking the enemy's women (and men) and having sex with them is ingrained in the masculine psyche. It just manifests itself in different forms throughout history and cultures. A good example of this is the rape of Palestinian women and men in prisons and rape by American soldiers in Vietnam. It seems to me like Islam didn't strive to erase these tendencies but seeks to regulate them. What Islam essentially says if you look at all the hadith regarding this topic is that you have the right to force yourself upon your slave girl but it is far better and rewarding if you don't. It is more rewarding for you if you treat her well (have sex consensually), educate her, free her, and marry her. So how does this apply today: I completely agree with the importance of consent as it is seen within modern Muslim societies today. Slavery is seen to be unanimously prohibited within Muslim countries. They also place an importance on consent where it is always effectively necessary but not to the level of the West. It is rightfully seen in the Islamic-patriarchal lens that recognises that wives are obligated to provide sex for their husbands according to the Sunnah even if they do not feel like it. No one wants to partake in duty sex, and I don't condone it. It is, however, an effective method to avoid the Fitna of Zina and pornography and the fitna of feminism - where the woman withholding sex as punishment is seen as completely acceptable. A little discomfort can prevent great evil. How does it apply for back then: I am not entirely sure. And this has been a prickly thorn of doubt for me. But I have to accept this reality of islamic history for what it is. I have to see that their moral considerations were different from ours and I have to avoid the presentism fallacy. Why should I jeopardise my faith based on a point that is firstly, not applicable today and secondly seemed justified and agreeable to the Sahabas and the Prophets during their time. People who I hold were the best of creation because of all their other actions and their foresight. The more I ponder and discover the wisdom behind the Islamic tradition despite their contrarian position to modern thought on issues such as finances, gender relations, family relations, Akhlaq of the Prophet (S), Aqeedah and its coherence the more I have justified to myself that I am willing to stomach the history of concubinage. Because everything else seems to be the solution to humanity's current problems.
I’m not a Muslim, I’m an Ethiopian/Coptic Orthodox Christian, but I am scholarly inclined & have studied Islam quite a bit (read the Quran, studied a lot of Hadith & writings of established Muslim scholars). Your channel is excellent & your dedication to raw unfiltered facts is commendable.
Thank you being so open and exposing how so many and this happens in all religions… abuse their texts pretending their great and true worshipers.. but they leave behind the simple and most important trait. Sympathy, kindness consent, and loyalty.. the world seamingley appears to lack all of this
We must deal with the reality of the world, not always hiding behind idealistic interpretations. Only then will be be urged to make a change and work to improve our condition
Salam alaykum, I have watched all 3 series, and I appreciate your honesty . You have taught me many things that I did not know, especially the reforms of Umar ra, I appreciate that you were honest regarding the issue of concubinage and present it just like what it was. Islam and its rules don't have to be in agreement with whatever new idea of freedom that the West takes upon. Islam is what it is, and if people choose to leave islam because of these things, then so be it. Allah is the guide of the heavens and the earth. We are not tasked with making people muslims, but we are tasked to deliver the message simply. I think you might have a point when you argue that islam intended to eventually abolish all types of slavery but Muslims did not unfortunately go that far. I have respect for both camps in this debate and I believe that just like you, they are just trying to present islam just like it is without apologetics and it is possible that both sides go wrong in certain aspects as well. I have no respect for people who declared muslims as kuffar so that they can kill them and take their properties and make them slaves and I also have no respect for people who try to make islam fit the ever changing morality of the world today. To fully understand your perspective, I have some questions for you: 1. War is something that is inevitable, and it is necessary to take prisoners of war, at least the men to reduce the power of the enemy, so in your view, what should be done with captured enemy combattants? If you say no to individuals taking them as slaves, you will end up putting them in huge concentration camps and prisons, which is basically just another form of slavery. 2. Even though I believe there is something to be learned from the reforms of umar, I'm not sure if you are coming to the right conclusion since we dont have any definitive text indicating that islam is meant to be eventually completely abolished from the first 3 generations or from the prophet as far as I know so if it exist, I would love to know about it. So the question is, do we have this definitive text, or is it just speculation? Really, I dont even have a problem if it is just a speculation but when you or anyone else who take this position speak on this topic, you come across to me at least as if your conclusion is the only one that somebody can come to if they look into the topic which is problematic to me. The same can be said about the opposite side also. 3. If we say Islam meant for muslims to eventually abolish slavery but they didn't, how would you respond to someone who in the future can eventually use this line of thinking to claim that islam eventually meant to abolish poligyny, punishment for homosexuality and other sins and anything else they believe is problematic? This line of thinking is very similar to what the Christians and jews did in explaining away anything they believed was problematic in their traditions for the past 3 centuries to the point that now you have many Christians who will actively argue for homosexuality for example not being a sin. I think this is a very dangerous path to go down if you are not very careful and if you don't establish the base of your argument on something solid.
Wa Aleikum Salam and thank you for the taking the time to sit through the episodes. The purpose of these lectures is not to impress upon you any one perspective nor to twist your arm with emotional blackmail (pressing on your Iman or lack thereof etc), it's just to demonstrate the fact that such a topic will always be subject to the narrative and worldview of those conveying the history. Both sides have errors and shortcomings (some more than others). The answer to your question has been addressed with the Geneva convention. This is not the sort of decision that can be taken by one side only, for it to work ALL nations must agree otherwise we end up with a situation where war is being conducted by different standards - resulting in total and absolute chaos. To give a simple analogy, when national teams enter a world competition - they have to sign up to the rules, those who make up their own rules are automatically disqualified. The rule of war today is that slaves are not taken, "enemy combatants" are to be "detained" in accordance to the new rules and must be released as soon as the ear is over. All nations have signed up for this, there is no need to discuss whether slaves can be housed and owned by individuals anymore. This discussion is outdated.
The question here is, what is our creator's rule on this. Not what nations agree upon. What, in your perspective is Allah's rule on this, which is more relevant to us as muslims, and, what is your evidence for that(if you have any).
My opinion is entirely irrelevant. I am neither a theologian nor a jurist. Rape in general carries a capital punishment in Shari'ah however that is not entirely the case for slaves. The lecture is direct and not seeking to reach for the stars. Such questions should be directed to the scholars preaching and making claims that are neither substantiated nor evidenced in the books. The only focus here is historical analysis, which certainly includes the norms in ancient as well as contemporary nations. Those who insist on reviving the system should also answer these questions. More accountability, less obfuscation
@@Historyun There will never be agreement as the entire world is not upon Islam, we all have different standards. A freed enemy combatant in your land is a potential risk and danger to your society. Just look at da*sh. The Sunnis were caged and tortured, once they were free they formed a formidable force and retaliated, can we blame the sincere among them? Had there been a system in place like that of Islam, where enemies are not enraged by the horrific treatment they witnessed, then would we have seen da*sh today? Millions are still suffering due to the wars waged by the "Geneva convention" abiding Western nations, I refuse to accept it as anything more than ideals or wishful thinking. Whoever is insisting, is only doing so on the basis that the actual implementation as shown by the Prophet SAW & Sahaba is what we aim for, not some opportunistic means that some dream of
I have utmost empathy for those who associate slavery with transatlantic slavery, I can imagine how painful it is to hear, and I'm well aware of muslim rulers who have abused our law to the detriment of thousands of innocent lives as well as more recent juhal who have destroyed the lives of muslims due to their ignorance and greed, but these vile exceptions do make the rule or cancel it. Our commandments are just, we do not abrogate what was never meant to be abrogated, as this is a very real solution to a very serious problem that arises when you inevitably go to war. Brother if I'm being honest, I did not appreciate the notion that because we do not like something for ourselves, this means that we should not enjoin it for others, this feels similar to the problem of evil. If we believe Allah is the most Just and the most Merciful, we should automatically think good of our Lord and His divine laws. We should not assume that everyone is born equal, that this world is rosy or that we shouldn't do unto others what we do not want done to ourselves, this is part of the test of this dunya. We know full well that slavery is by definition a loss of autonomy, and this comes about primarily through being an enemy of Islam, it's a form of imprisonment for crimes. We do not shy away from the reality that your enemy doesn't automatically get freedom upon capture, whether that is a man women or a child, it's up to the commander as he has that choice. You are their custodian, and you are obligated to treat them like a sister or a brother but no, they are not granted freedom merely because freedom is seen as a given today. Manumission is highly desirable and encouraged in our deen, but owning the rights to someone wholly doesn't automatically entail abuse, violence and injustice. We have numerous narrations on the treatment of slaves, and their ability to gain freedom is explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an so no, we reject any claim that slavery in and of itself is a cruel and violent act. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The faithful and diligent slave will have a double reward." (Abu Hurairah added:) By Him in Whose Hand the soul of Abu Hurairah is, but for Jihad in the Cause of Allah, and Hajj and kindness to my mother, I would have preferred to die as a slave.
@@axis2312 No Muslim has the right to enslave enemies, because all Muslim rulers have pledged with the rest of the nations to end slavery, and all Muslims are bound by these pledges. Even if there were no covenants, it is not in the interest of Muslims to bring back slavery, first because this harms the reputation of Muslims, and second because we are the weaker party in the world, and if slavery returns, Muslims will be the ones who will be harmed the most by this evil. Allah Almighty has given us minds to use and do what is best for the benefit of our nation.
Assalamualaykum my beloved brother in Islam First of all I would like to thank you for your incredible work in filling this much needed niche in the online Islamic space for a sincere analytical approach to Islamic history. It is clear that you are very willing to let the truth lead you rather than being tied down to pre-existing convictions that you retrospectively rationalize, and it is indeed refreshing, even if I do not necessarily agree with every perspective that you or your guests share. It is all food for thought. That being said, I believe this video series shed light on an important topic that troubles many young Muslims in today’s current climate. No doubt, there is ground for them to be troubled due to the lack of a coherent, accessible and easy answer to this difficult topic. My only constructive “criticism” of the video series, and please feel free to correct me as it may easily have been a misunderstanding on my part - is that whilst I feel it did an excellent job at highlighting some of the weaknesses in the common defenses of slavery in Islam presented by mainstream modern daees, I do not feel like it then provided an actual defense in and of itself, or an actual clear cut explanation that DID bring together authentic evidences from the Qur’an and sunnah. The video concluded with a reminder that the West has no right to throw stones from a glasshouse after looking at their history, but this is only effective in countering Western superiority, not necessarily in highlighting Islamic moral superiority. It may not resonate with Muslims or Westerners who do not identify or are not proud of what the West is doing/has done historically. I do not feel like if someone was having doubts about this topic, I could direct them to these videos and by the end they walk away feeling like - Oh I get it now, doubts quelled. I understand that your speciality and the focus of the channel is history, and with that the stark reality, not necessarily abstract idealism. But I also feel that part of the objectives you laid out at the start of the series WAS to provide an answer that was based upon authentic sources, that did not have the pitfalls and contradictions that you pointed out. That was what I was looking forward to. A nice conclusion that tied up everything with a coherent defense. I do not feel that this was necessarily achieved and like I said, I may have easily have missed it, or perhaps I was being too optimistic with what I assumed the video was about. I understand not every question can have an easy, sunshine and rainbows, satisfying nice answer. But I do feel like even if the answer is difficult to swallow, it should be presented whole, with at least the tools for someone to come to grips with the answer. Would it be worth producing a fourth video that provides such an answer? Or perhaps you have already uploaded a video on your channel with one of your guests that may provide such an answer? Please do let me know. Once again brother, please do not be offended. I am asking to understand not asking to criticize. I appreciate the thousands of hours you devote to this channel to enlighten Muslim minds and support us in thinking critically. I am looking forward to your future work. May Allah accept from you and keep you sincere and reward you for your efforts.
Wa Aleikum Salam brother, No need to apologise and thank you for the insightful feedback. This series was a light introduction as there is the intent to delve much deeper into the subject at a later date (time permitting) however the primary objective was to break the ironclad perception that slavery was inherently Islamic and impermissible for anyone to diminish or marginalise at any point. Beyond that, there was no intent to convince the audience of the inherent good or evil of the institution as this was something accepted and practiced universally for the greatest portion of human history.
God bless this brother this is exactly the question that was ringing in my head as I watched through the 3 series. The way you put the question eloquently and really detailed is very very commendable cause I would have loved to ask but I don't even know how or where to start from but you did and thank you for asking. And kudos @Historyun for this insightful videos. But hopefully you release more explaining the correct Islamic slavery and how it was supposed to be ran according to Allah and Prophet Muhammad (saw). I really want to know more about the right hand possesses. How isn't it Zina if you are not married to a slave and you still have the right to lay with her. And what are other things allowed in Islam when they take slaves. Jazakumullah Khairun
But why would sahaba sleep with their slave women without consent if they can sleep with their own wives, what compels a man to force himself on a woman anyways? Wouldn’t that have a negative impact on the slave women towards Islam & the good character of her master?
You raise a good point. As for the first part of your question i will just say i can tell your a lady.i will keep it at that. Second part , its never okay to force yourself onto anyone nor commit acts of violence or injustice. بسم الاه الرحمن الرحيم وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى الْبِغَاءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّنًا لِتَبْتَغُوا عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ وَمَنْ يُكْرِهْهُنَّ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ مِنْ بَعْدِ إِكْرَاهِهِنَّ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ And do not compel your concubines, if they desire chastity, to seek [through it] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.
@@ABN_UA-cam That ayah is revealed due master's habit of forcing slave girls into prostitution. Not what many try to imply using this ayah in relationship master and slave-girls
You are judging ancient times by today's standards, and that is the biggest mistake a person makes when reading history. Islam came and slavery was the system of the world, and the world economy was based on slavery. Islam did not invent slavery, but it was the best at dealing with it. Islam considers slaves as our brothers, not our property. The Prophet ﷺ said, “Whoever kills his slave, we will kill him, and whoever mutilates his slave, we will mutilate him.” Islam gave every slave the right to buy his freedom, and imposed on his master to pay a portion of the price (it was said a quarter), and these are the “mukatabun” who have the right to take zakat as stated in the Qur’an. Therefore, it is impossible for a slave to remain a slave throughout his life in the lands of Islam. This was at a time when the world was governed by the Roman maxim that "it is cheaper to work slaves to death and buy others than to improve their living conditions." Put this in historical context, and you will see how Islam has taken humanity light years ahead. As for the female slaves, if they give birth to a child for their master, their son or daughter will free them, and their master will no longer have the right to sell them.
@@alal039 As for the female slaves, if they give birth to a child for their master, their son or daughter will free them, and their master will no longer have the right to sell them. ___________________ Cite your sources. Islam considers slaves as our brothers, not our property. The Prophet ﷺ said, “Whoever kills his slave, we will kill him, and whoever mutilates his slave, we will mutilate him.” ___________________ Lies. مَن قتلَ عبدَه قتَلناهُ، ومَن جدَّعَ عبدَه جدَّعناهُ، ومَن أخصَى عبدَه أخصَيناهُ المحدث : الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث : إسناده ضعيف من قَتَل عَبْدَه قتَلْناه المحدث : ابن العربي خلاصة حكم المحدث : لم يصح سندا
We need to be educated and learn from this. It’s wrong and was wrong and they’ll be judged by Allah SWT. But we need sincere daawah in the Muslim world to defend and liberate our Muslim sisters.
AZ once again I learnt a great deal and can see the landscape much clearer now, this sensitive subject, cuts across all races and nationalities! I'm sad to see how we have and are behaving ,yet liberated to see the truth and see how it has been suppressed. In closing this fits right into the modern Sufi teachings of the Moorish Science of Noble Drew Ali, "Through sin and disobedience every nation has suffered slavery, due to the fact that they honored not the creed and principles of their forefathers"..As Salamu alaykum..🙏
Amazing series I learned a lot from your video ty for opening my eyes more I hope no one get to be the slave and everyone should be free and at peace excellent information 👏
Very well researched and beautifully presented session. I found all the 3 sessions very informative and very very different the way these topics are addressed in our times. Also loved the book recommendations you gave in the end. For layman its difficult to have a starting point, where to look for resources and information. Would love if you can provide such recommendations for all your videos May Allah bless this channel your work abundantly
What confuses me; why is there room for assumptions at all? In 23 years of being an Prophet, how come there was no order banning slave ownership? Why would Allah give freedom of choice to humans, and then subordinated their freedom to the will of another? Throughout the life of the Prophet, peace be upon him, man was gradually distanced from alcohol, until it was finally forbidden. Clearly, for a reason. But why is something that hurts on a personal level overshadowed something that it touches and destroys the lives of others. Isn't that more primary?
This is covered in part 2. There are many legislative actions carried out immediately following the death of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ by his senior companions whom he instructed the community to follow. The prophet Muhammad ﷺ also informed his wife Aishah of the impracticality of changing society suddenly, expressing his wish to make structural changes to the Kaba (for example) but being unable to at the time etc. It takes more than just a cursory reading of the Seerah to grasp the full context.
Alcohol is a whole different issue from slavery. Unlike alcohol, slavery until the industrial revolution(coincidental where slavery was rapidly starting to be abolished in the west and by extension by the world) was a necessary institution for societies, especially massive societies, which the Islamic civilization became after the conquests after the death of the prophet pbuh. Of course based on the rules of enslavement and the actions of the prophet pbuh, it's clear that slavery is clearly not preferred in islam, and if possible you should free them(this is based on the fact that islam gives an incentive to freeing slaves via getting awards in the afterlife for doing so). Based on that, we should not reinvigorate the institution. That's how I see it.
@@Historyun can you also discuss how a slave must be treated, clothed, and fed? I believe the same as the “master”. So like if Bill Gates was a Muslim slave owner people today would be lining up to be under him.
@@TheHouseeeee again, why would something so humiliating be left unfinished? That automatically leaves room for superiors and inferiors. You see, I can explain the Western problem with Aisha. Because they are automatically set up as child sexual exploitation, which I absolutely do not believe. I see that relationship as a teacher who raised a student, in order to make her a teacher. Which will convey the message to Muslims, but also explain to women their position in society, as someone who should participate in shaping society.
Thank you , brother may Allah bless you for your work .This was eye opening and something that has had a profound impact on me and helped further develop my critical thinking skills .Please continue your excellent work , it is needed now more than ever before .
Subahaana'Allah akhi Wallahi the reality of what Muslim woman and men are going through in prison is worse than the idea of taking concubines or captives of war.
good thing allah al hamd didnt say war captives like scholars say.. so word malik you can take besides your muslim wife refers to woman/girls that are non muslims and yup those non muslims can be taken without a battle, like a high school non muslim blonde that accepts to come to your bedroom without a battle lol, and if you say battle well the battle was won without a fight but charm or funny jokes or girl falling for the beauty of the muslim mans/boys face... so lol for muslim scholars saying ahum ahum only captive of war girls can be taken lol... ahum ahum
@vulsaprus then what should be done with captives of war? Remember in islam, the prophet Muhammad pbuh and his sahaba freed many of these pow and married them. Now look how the west has consistently treated pow in the most sickening inhumane ways!
@@mohamadbazzi6962 okay but vvar is vvar. As what's-his-face The Mvrtadd "sOn Of Hannas" said, "[sic] VVar is vvar! People dye[sic]!", or in this case, people get su6dued.
I really hope our reactionary Dawah bros actually pay attention to what is being said here and not start making accusatory reaction videos on this. Excellent work again brother.
Turh and honesty is one of the core principles in Islam after Tawhiid (Oneness of God - Aka Pure Monotheism). I am learning about this sensitive subject and comparing it with the spirit of the Quran. If not for the beauty of the Quran and Islam i would most likely have been an athiest. Alhamdulillah for Islam and faith in this world.
Thankyou Verry Much for all the hard work you have presente'd to us explaining on the Concubines, dr Suliman is a verry good Scholar and i respect him alot, however end of day we are only humen making mistake's .may Almighty Allah forgive us all . Ameen.
Barakallahu Feekum. Mistakes are inevitable however where possible, we must highlight the correct information to remove doubt and confusion. Perfection belongs to Allah alone and we are all servants, nobody is above being corrected
As a general principle regardless of which religion one believes in shouldnt one more fervently pray and hope that none of us ourselves or our progeny engages in these practices of slavery than being a victim of it? The fact that being a victim of it is somehow more demeaning to people than being perpetrators is what makes this so egregious for all of our societies be it Islamic or non Islamic ones.
JazakAllah khair for the thorough historical breakdown of concubines. I appreciate how you present the information clearly without overcomplicating things. However, I had one concern regarding the way Dr. Omar Suleiman's refutation of the autonomy of slave women was addressed. You mentioned that the evidence he uses is misunderstood and that he mistakenly jumps to scholarly work rather than using Quran and Sunnah as the basis of the argument. While that’s valuable, I felt there was a gap you could have been bridged by explaining concubinage through the lens of the Quran and Sunnah. It feels like we’re still left with some questions about the Quranic stance on concubines and the rights of slave women
Barakallahu Feekum. That gap will be filled in a separate lecture, the purpose of this presentation was simply to demonstrate the holes in some modern interpretations and arguments
The Syrian refugee part you mentioned is not related to slave trade, but is talking about the dowry money. Which does not mean it is not sad, but is not related to the topic you are presenting on. Also, the grooming part you mentioned is not under the guise of religion, but these people happen to be criminals and Muslims at the same time. Concubinage is result of war, and as no man would want for his family members such a fate, so they should not wage war or support it
Those are brought forward to demonstrate a common theme, certain men circumvent the spirit of Islam to fulfil their lust by any means available. Whether it's exploiting Muslim girls with sham marriages or non-Muslims under the pretext of Jihad in the West. And yes, they look at these British girls as Concubines/right hand possess. Several victims have arrested to this in their testimonies. Everyone finds a way to justify their wrongdoing. Whether it's a maid, a war bride or the girl nextdoor.
@@Historyun overall it’s a great presentation and I really admire your knowledge and presentation skills. However, there was a bit of disconnect for me, for example the part where you mentioned about the descendants of the people who were enslaved in USA. Would I be correct to assume that you are challenging the Muslims who glorify enslaving people? in what context these conversations happen? I am from Pakistan and known some very hardcore people, but never heard a mention of the enslaving people. So maybe there is a cultural element which I am not aware of. And your mention of Dr. Afia and prisoners of Guantanamo bay was very brave and spot on. I also believe that people who do not see the state we are in and would say things like right hand possess are detached from reality completely or are just some opportunistic individuals who really do not care about religion. I am also wondering that people who marry this nikah misyar or buy girls to somehow justify their action in accordance with Islam, are they really religious? If not, then why they do that? What’s the point of sugar coating something so evil, while they know that Allah is all seeing all knowing
The limiting of punishments of slaves makes it obvious that the condition of slavery and the limited autonomy was both admitted and addressed as such. Believers face facts as facts (scriptural. relative, and objective), and build upon them as a way of life -'din. Apologetics deny facts where believers fail thus twisting the POV on the way of life prescribed -'din in line with Orientalist ideas of religion. There is a large intellectual difference between the Arabic root for truth -'Aql and the Latin root for thing, real, reality - 'rez. One prescribes knowledge 'Ilm to a holistic "truth' while the other simply bean counts things and divide/conquers based on relationships. Faith and societal linguistic differences aside. Working with AI I can see that object oriented paradigms have severe limits. Faith and societal differences not as an aside. I already knew that. Plato hated history (as being a truthful academic study) for this very reason. History counted on reason to conquer truth. History when not looked at from the 'rez paradigm would have expanded his tool set. Like missing the right wrench and don't even know it, so I use vice-grips, breaking the project. Makes one bitter.
If one cannot force a slave to change his or her religion , neither can you force a slave to marry against their will . I believe that the classical Islamic Jurists misinterpreted, Some are continuing that tradition
Brother, apologies for another comment (only way to communicate), where/how do you situate yourself with regards to all this - Islamically speaking - on a doctrinal level? In your opinion, are there grounds from the Qur'an and the Prophetic example upon which we can build an alternate perspective than that taken by the scholarly tradition? Can we say there was a true rupture between the scholarly tradition and the prophetic teachings when it comes to this?
@@Maimonides119 I believe that concubines are completely halal in Islam but you can not treat your slaves poorly in Islam. And a concubine is a slave, and must be treated well. If rape is occurring and she dreads it, then you have already disobeyed Allah. But to say there must be “consent” in the western terms, then no. You can have your way with concubines. Keep them happy tho. And with that being said, there is no reason to keep slaves today, as Muslims are not in any strength to conquer any lands. Let’s strengthen ourselves and unite ourselves first.
Salaam 3alaykum Since you are been, truthful and straightforward on on all of these issues.Have you dove into the issue of fadak or Ali and Abu bakr issue
@@biggms13g It is sufficient to know that when Ali became caliph, he followed the example of Abu Bakr and Umar in the matter of Fadak, and did not make it an inheritance for the family of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace.
The explanation for why, if he didnt return fadak to his own family, is not as easily implied as your tone suggests it is. Its enough that a righteous ummayad caliph Umar Abdul Aziz gave fadak back to ahlul bayt @alal039
@@alal039 abu bakr keep it umar let them Administrated it then Uthman gave it to Marwan Ali was dealing with fitna he's whole khalafat I'm asking you as man truth go back and And honestly, research everything, and then give a honest opinion. May Allah guide you to the truth
@@Maimonides119 There were other heirs to Fadak besides Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein, such as the wives of the Prophet ﷺ ، and the sons of Al-Abbas bin Abdul Muttalib. Why did Ali not return it to them after he assumed the caliphate? And it doesn't matter whether Omar returned it or not, your Imam is Ali, not Omar bin Abdul Aziz.
@@biggms13g I know everything I need to know about this issue, and the fact that Ali did not return Fadak to those you claim are its heirs is enough to clarify the truth. If you do not want the truth, then that is your problem. And the excuse that Ali was busy with the fitna is ridiculous. Abu Bakr was also busy with the Ridda Wars, so why do you blame him?
Although you have done a great job of putting things into perspective. Why did it take the Muslim clergy after the Prophet pbuh and Sahaba more than a 1000 years to pass fatwas on banning or at least restricting slavery and concubinage. Some direction or reading material on this would be appreciated.
@@Historyun But with respect you only mentioned one scholar from west africa and one other scholar. I was asking for some classical scholars, who had perhaps passed fatwas or put limits after the reforms by Umar R.A. If one solely goes by the references to scholars you gave the 1000 year gap obviously comes into question and can be a contentious issue, which silently eats away at someone.
As far as the arabic, the verb of manumit is not there but Im just wondering why it says "she is taken from him" - can the rapist be the master here? And where is she taken to?
You re saying it s a hard pill to swollow.... But if all of you , and the ppl in the comment section lived 200 yrs ago, u d see it as smt completely normal Why do people of our age think we re smt special
@@Foodiequeen22 which was also part of normality. So as hard as this is , women back then knew they didnt have any consent or choice, and men who were enslaved aswell, and they knew the situations they were in, it was simply part of reality. It is not a beautiful utopian reality, I am not saying that, I am saying it was never a reason back then to doubt Islam. Thats the issue. It was part of reality - and women expected this to happen, thats why they wished to be married off or protected it was important, so they do not end up a concubine or anything like it, so obviously being a concubine was nothing they aspired to become,- they needed men to protect them from this - eventhough their men would probably do the same to the ennemy side- this was the world, - the world was mostly dark- but all of that wasnt a reason to doubt the the truth of islam.
You are 💯 correct. Women knew what came with losing a war (they also knew what came with winning one, including getting slaves of their own). The problem comes when we want to superimpose a part reality to a modern society, forcing this onto contemporary people is a "bitter pill to swallow" hence the caution and advice for those at the forefront of this new wave of pro-slavery advocates. It wasn't strange for women to shave their heads bold and to dress their daughters as boys on the eve of conquest, just in case they were captured. In some cases, members of the higher castes organised mass suicide gatherings, poison ready in case news of a defeat was announced. Those women would rather have died than to end up a Concubine. It was just the way of the world for as long as man can remember. Things have changed now and we should respect this instead of insisting on recreating the past. Glad to see that someone gets it.
@@Historyun Judging the situation of the past with the present glasses. I do get it - but I cannot judge it because I do not know how I would have been if I lived back then. I can say it is unpleasent behaviour but I cant judge the ppl as immoral freaks, -It is easy for us to say it is "bad", but if it was an everyday thing in our society, a minority of us would say "it s bad" just the way we speak about the spread of pornography in our age, why doesnt our hearts ache speaking about this horrible addiction children fell into- or the reality that economic situation force a lot of women in the west aswell as in muslim world into prostitution - but "concubinage" is the only senstive topic, where we crawling to find an explain or defend. I like your presentation because you just throw the facts into the face of the people. I didnt get hurt by listening to it, because again I could ve been born in that age, and saying I wouldnt have owned or posessed if I was able too, would just be hypocritical of me- or I could ve been possessed, and I wouldve hated my master, but in the same time I would ve known that this reality,- just as today people hate their debt collectors or state burocracy. It s simply reality-
@aymanus04 our ancestors would have a lot more to say about us if they knew how the institution of marriage has been changed to include previously unheard of concepts and practices. They would also be equally as disapproving of our high modern rates of children born out of wedlock, cohabitation, baby mamas, side chicks and the rising only fans industry. It works both ways.
It's forbidden to take someone who is a Muslim however it is not forbidden to keep someone who becomes Muslim after having already been enslaved, otherwise everyone would just convert and be granted automatic freedom
@@vulsaprus I don’t know those two scholars particularly, I know about them, and I don’t even listen to them, so I don’t know what you are about, I asked because of my research on this matter, where different opinions exists according to various periods of Islamic governance, so I wanted to know what was this brother who is presenting, opinion on this aspect.
I really wonder about your intentions, brother. You are well trained. I am not a scholer, but every day I wounder about the scholers all around the world that don't they understand the need of the hour? Although I enjoyed the show.
It seems Hadiths written after Prophet Muhammad pbuh have caused a lot of confusion. The Quran is complete why do we need further instruction from scholars? Thank you for the videos and may God bless you for your efforts to bring light to issues such as these.
1:12:04 this is a great presentation, so far I think the only error you’ve made is not using the US constitution as a source for it happening right now. You can be a slave today in the US as long as you have been convicted of a crime and this is the justification for having prisoners make license plates and paying them pennies per hour.
Many thanks. The prison pipeline complex has been included later on in the presentation as a form of modern slavery in America (and globally for that matter)
@@Historyun I ended up seeing it later. But the part that is important is that slavery is still legal in the constitution. 13th amendment. Slavery was never outlawed to this day
It is truly a misuse of Islam. A true Mu’amen won’t do or attempt any of that cuz u r connected to Allah and the hereafter, such a slave to their lust are far away from that. We r told to treat slaves as one of us, who would rape his family ? Smh I hate to misuse of Islam. It shows me how far we are as a nation from the Golden age of the are waiting for
@@supermariothecanecorso1521 thank u for posting this comment. This is only sane and logical comment here. Folks need to demonstrate that Islam is the true religion through their actions …
Servant doesnt mean slave. Slave is a term from the enslavement of Europeans from Slovakia, Slovenia, YugoSlavia etc. In Martin Lungs book on the Prophet pbuh, Hajar was a princess
1:19:45 another one where you’re a little mistaken brother. He only emancipated slaves in the confederacy, not the US. So states like Jersey got rid of slavery after the slave states.
Thank you for the clarification, meaning that history has been exaggerated when we are told that he unequivocally emancipated all slaves. It's always in the fine print
@ I also appreciate the ending part about the sensitivities of us that have grown up in the US. Arab and Muslim doesn’t necessarily overlap either and the use of the word عبيد to refer to use black people in America breeds a lot of distrust.
When he says "ukhithat minhu" it literally means she will be taken from him. This could mean freedom if you stretch it in the sense that if she is taken from him, and she happens to be his slave, she doesn't become the slave of the person taking her from him then taking her from him COULD mean freedom from him as she isn't going back to him. But the issue of she is paid and all the rest is a sad thing. This isn't necessary at all! He shouldn't be adding in the translation but translate word for word!!
If non-consensual concubinage is sanctioned in shariah and even with minors how can you blame people that leave Islam ? What a travesty. So this was permissible under someone who is called Rahmatullil A’lamin ?? Make it make sense
Completely false. Non consensual concubinage is considered rape/adultery and is either punishable by death or 100 lashes depending on the context in sharia. Same with minors.
Completely false. Non consensual concubinage is considered rape/adultery and is either punishable by death or 100 lashes depending on the context in shariah. Same with minors.
'There is no compulsion in religion' abolishes all compulsions even between those within the same religion. ( Including slavery). It was regulated because it was inequality and injustice in reality established by those following their own desires. Needless to mention to those conscious and who have reason and reading the Quran , the Law.
Salaam. Can you clarify in the book of prof J brown . You quoted the section that spoke about consent and it's not required for slave women and minors . What is the context behind the minors being mentioned here as the topic is consent for relations but why mentioning minors. Clarification please.
Wa Aleikum Salam It means that minors are not consulted in matters when marriage contracts are drawn on their behalf by caretakers and guardians. Only adult men and women need give consent, not slaves or minors.
Jazaakallah. Appreciate the reply. Was there any other context we can add when it came to concubines as if I am correct this was only as a result of war and not generally something that would happen as well as slaves in general became forbidden unless as a result of war.
@@snf321gotti6 absolutely, only through war however the system was circumvented (for obvious reasons) to the point in which some men had hundreds in their private collection. More recently, some people have tried to compare their employees to Concubines in an attempt to satisfy their desires under that pretext, as demonstrated in the clip shared It all boils down to desires for many modern days advocates of slavery and concubinage.
@@Historyun OK thank you again. This is a topic I could speak to for hours on. I have some final thoughts if you care to respond but if not I understand as I respect your time. Final point I wanted to understand was in the context of this practice of slavery and especially concubines it is deemed as a practice that was and not applied today. What is the current Islamic perspective on that matter in our time. I would want to really ask if a war was in effect today would it be the same situation or not. Jazakullah in advance
@@snf321gotti6 in short, it was the defacto position in war. Women were ravaged and violated by soldiers, the Concubine was not exposed to multiple violations but instead entrusted to a single soldier/owner. It's difficult to comprehend however this was just the convention throughout history. Today this has been unanimously ruled out as a part of modern warfare (but it doesn't mean that soldiers will abide by this new legislation - as we saw with American soldiers in Iraq for example, it's just a legal injunction). War is hell.
Brother think about it this way, none of the details about consent or age should be an issue bcz outside of Islam it was the law of the jungle and when Islam did come these things were supposed to be restricted and wiped out with progress of time. The restrictions did start with the Prophet pbuh and progressed very rapidly in the time of the Rashidun Caliphs (esp Umar RA). The only question should be that why did it take the Muslim clergy more than a 1000 years to pass rulings on banning or restricting slavery and concubinage. I dont have the answer to the last question myself yet, but I hope the response eased some of your doubts.
@a.ssajjad932 I sincerely appreciate your reply brother.. In a world where not many people have time for me I appreciateyou taking time.. It was more about the Sheikh changing what the arabic said.. I listen to alot of his lectures.. and it made me feel gullible and disappointed. Like now I have to review everything he says..
@@hudjohns6371 Agreed Omar Suleiman is such a good spokesman, but he dropped the ball on this one. Not sure how you feel about the issue now that time has passed but certainly it's a test of faith. I'm not a scholar or anything but could it be that Surah al nisa 24 abrogated the preceding verses? It says that marriage is a requirement for lawful relations and not fornication.
@@Historyun I have also watched Part 1 and 2. In Part 1, at 31:54, there is only one general reference to the Qur'an. This concerns the more general passage in Ali Imran: "مِنكُم مَّن يُرِيدُ ٱلدُّنْيَا" ("Among you are those who desire the worldly life"). In Part 2, there is also one reference to the Qur'an, this one specifically related to (the abolition of) slavery: Qur'an 24:33. This is actually the only Qur'anic verse in these three parts that specifically addresses (the abolition of) slavery. In part 3 about concubines there is not one reference to the Quran. I believe there are many relevant verses in the Qur'an, that should be referenced when making a critical analysis of how (the abolition of) slavery relates to islam, islamic tradition/hostory and what the Qur'an actually teaches us about it. Since you referred in the introduction to the Qur'an as the highest standard of ethics and authority, including in the case of (setting the premise for the abolition of) slavery, and you saying that many people (within the Islamic tradition, including those with authority) turn away from the Qur'an (Qur'an 25:30), and you saying that we should be honest about this, I had different expectations. Also because of the references you made to Umar and hw close he was with the Quran and true Sunnah. I expected you to analyse Islamic traditions, including the fatawa of respected scholars from the madhahib and even certain ahadith, in Light of the Qur'an. I believe and see there is indeed a contradiction between the Qur'an and tradition, especially concerning concubines. I believe we need to be viewing the tradition through the lens of the Qur'an rather than interpreting the Qur'an through the eyes of tradition. If this series is intended solely as a historical analysis, I understand the approach and why there are few references to the Qur'an. But if the actual intent was a more critical analysis (as I expected and you suggested), to measure Islamic traditions, practices, and even fatawa of respected scholars in light of the Qur'an, then a more thorough analysis and more references to the Qur'an are needed. I believe there is a real need for this. With the little i know i am willing to give me time and energy to contribute in this.
@@Historyun I have also watched Part 1 and 2 before. In Part 1, at 31: 54, there is only one general reference to the Qur'an. This concerns the more general passage in Ali Imran: "مِنكُم مَّن يُرِيدُ ٱلدُّنْيَا" ("Among you are those who desire the worldly life"). In Part 2 as a whole, there is also one reference to the Qur'an, more specifically related to (the abolition of) slavery: Qur'an 24:33. This is actually the only Qur'anic verse in these three parts that specifically addresses (the -premise for - abolition of) slavery. In part 3 when it comes to concubines in particular there is none. However, I believe there are many verses in the Qur'an, especially when approached holistically, that should be referenced when making a critical analysis of how (the abolition of) slavery and the islamic tradition relates to islam/ethics and teachings of the Qur'an and (true) Sunnah. Since you referred in the introduction to the Qur'an as the highest standard of ethics and authority, also (as premise) for the abolition of slavery, and given that many people (within the Islamic tradition, including those with authority) turn away from the Qur'an like you said (see also Qur'an 25:30), and that we should be honest about this, I had a different expectation. I expected you to critically analyze Islamic traditions, including the fatawa of respected scholars and even certain ahadith, in the Light of the Qur'an (and its high ethics). I see and believe there is indeed a contradiction between the ethics of the Qur'an and the islamic tradition concerning slavery and concubines. I believe someone like Umar ra was much more close to these ethics of the Quran and the true Sunnah. Much more than the mainstream views of the four madhahib for example. I also underline the points you made regarding what Umar Soleyman was saying. And in addition to that: he as well didnt made any reference to the Quran but referred only to the opinions of classical scholars. I believe we need the Quran much more than our mainstream is doiing, and when we do, we need to view the tradition through the lens of the Qur'an rather than interpreting the Qur'an through the eyes of the tradition. If this series is intended solely as a historical analysis, I understand the approach and why there are few references to the Qur'an. But if the actual intent was a more critical analysis (as you suggested and I expected in part 1), to measure Islamic traditions, practices, and even fatawa of respected scholars to the (highest) ethics of the Qur'an, then a more thorough analysis and more references to the Qur'an are needed. I believe there is a real need for this. With the little i know i am willing to contribute to this where i can. Again, djazakallahoegairan, for all your good works and contributions, much love, Wa selaam, Jeroen
@@Historyun I have also watched Part 1 and 2 before. In Part 1, at 31: 54, there is only one general reference to the Qur'an. This concerns the more general passage in Ali Imran: "مِنكُم مَّن يُرِيدُ ٱلدُّنْيَا" ("Among you are those who desire the worldly life"). In Part 2 as a whole, there is also one reference to the Qur'an, more specifically related to (the abolition of) slavery: Qur'an 24:33. This is actually the only Qur'anic verse in these three parts that specifically addresses (the -premise for - abolition of) slavery. In part 3 when it comes to concubines in particular there is none. However, I believe there are many verses in the Qur'an, especially when approached holistically, that should be referenced when making a critical analysis of how (the abolition of) slavery and the islamic tradition relates to islam/ethics and teachings of the Qur'an and (true) Sunnah. Since you referred in the introduction to the Qur'an as the highest standard of ethics and authority, also (as premise) for the abolition of slavery, and given that many people (within the Islamic tradition, including those with authority) turn away from the Qur'an like you said (see also Qur'an 25:30), and that we should be honest about this, I had a different expectation. I expected you to critically analyze Islamic traditions, including the fatawa of respected scholars and even certain ahadith, in the Light of the Qur'an (and its high ethics). I see and believe there is indeed a contradiction between the ethics of the Qur'an and the islamic tradition concerning slavery and concubines. I believe someone like Umar ra was much more close to these ethics of the Quran and the true Sunnah. Much more than the mainstream views of the four madhahib for example. I also underline the points you made regarding what Umar Soleyman was saying. And in addition to that: he as well didnt made any reference to the Quran but referred only to the opinions of classical scholars. I believe we need the Quran much more than our mainstream is doiing, and when we do, we need to view the tradition through the lens of the Qur'an rather than interpreting the Qur'an through the eyes of the tradition. If this series is intended solely as a historical analysis, I understand the approach and why there are few references to the Qur'an. But if the actual intent was a more critical analysis (as you suggested and I expected in part 1), to measure Islamic traditions, practices, and even fatawa of respected scholars to the (highest) ethics of the Qur'an, then a more thorough analysis and more references to the Qur'an are needed. I believe there is a real need for this. With the little i know i am willing to contribute to this where i can. Again, djazakallahoegairan, for all your good works and contributions, much love, Wa selaam, Jeroen p.s. excuse i responded this answer a couple times but i cant see if the answer is coming through
Solution? Knowledge marriage and managing households and making marriage easy and erasing the taboo that has dominated the minds of contemporary Muslims for polygyny.
a personal thought.. it seems the term "consent" is being misinterpreted. Does islam say that marriage negates consent? That doesn't seem correct, marriage "unlocks" for one to have relations with the other. Consent still remaings. Women have many issues such as UTIs, periods, cramps and etc that make it impossible to just have sex at any given time because the husband "demands" it. Yes - withholding sex from men, especially due to the nature of their weakness in desires, is discouraged and thus it is grounds for divorce (to get out of the contract). but where does islam allow for men to be able grab their wives at any point and force themselves upon them? I have not seen this conduct anywhere. Similarly - and this is not applicable to anyone nowadays, but im sure that even back then female slaves would have to consent for sex. "buying" them just made them "allowable" for sex. in both cases, tending to the sexual needs is emphasized. but I don't see how one could conclude consent is not allowed.
Consent in general terms is given when a couple is wed and agree to the marriage, it doesn't mean that either spouse can then simply do as they please within the marriage, however general consent is not required when a slave is being married or taken as an intimate partner by their master.
AsSalamu 'alaykum, brother since you are masha'Allah very knowledgable and interested in history, I am surprised you accept the traditional Arabic history of the 'Adnaaniyyoon and Qahtaniyyoon when related to that is the notion that the true Arabs (العرب العاربة) come from Yemen when modern epigraphical research has shown that the people of Yemen didn't even speak Arabic until a few hundred years before the blessed Mab'ath of the Prophet(pbuh). Whereas the so called عرب مستعربة of say Shaam, etc. have been shown to have been speaking Arabic for thousands of years. So it's the literal opposite of what Arab historians and "scholars" of nasab have been saying since the days of Jahiliyyah. If being a true Arab is speaking the Arabic language then the people of Hijaz and Sham were Arabs for thousands of years before the people of Yemen. Nor can Sahih al-Bukhari be fully relied upon (though it is useful) as a source of history considering it has multiple clear contradictions, and things that go against the Quran and proven history or science. This is not a call to reject hadiths but rather to have a more critical eye. It's no longer enough to just simply rely on the statements of medieval scholars as to the veracity of hearsay hadiths from narrators who died long before them when alhamdulillah we have many more scientific tools at our disposal. And Allah(swt) knows best
Arabs had dialects and differences according to regions hence the Sham differs from Hejaz and Yemen Spoken Arabic is through Yemen as Jurham settled in Hejaz where Ismael AS met and intermarried with them then the Adnani descendants swept to Najd and Tabuk to Levant and Mesopotamia Written Arabic took centuries of evolution from Aramaic Syriac letters onwards hence your assumption that Levant is the original abode of the Arabs all the while the Yemeni Arab tribes existed way before Ibrahim AS like Judham Tayy Quda3a Azd Kalb basically the tribes that allied with Ummayeds later on whom as a coalition were known as Yaman compared to their opponents Qais !!!
Wa Aleikum Salam Thank you for your time. I am familiar with the work of Ahmed al-Jallad in this field of study however it is inconclusive and still experimental. The age old oral traditions of the Arabs is far more established and widely evidenced. Aspects of this discussion have been discussed in one of the counter narrative interviews posted on this channel
@@Historyun Brother, the Eariba Arabs are Ad, Thamud, and other Arabs whom God destroyed and no longer have any remnants. These are the original Arabs from whom Qahtan learned Arabic. How can Qahtan be the original Arabs when everyone agrees that there were Arabs before them?
Okay, thank you, brother. I just let out a sigh of relief. I was getting a bit scared i dont like to have my faith be hurt it must mean i have weak imaan i should pray more inshallah.@Historyun
@Historyun Brother, is not Islam applicable to all places and times with the execption of those ayah that were abrogated? Just because we exist in modern times doesn't mean this practice should no longer be done. Of course there are those who will exploit this ruling and transgress the limits but that doesn't make it act imperssible in and of itself. You're scoffing at it as if it is something abominable, yet it is sanctioned by Allah Aza Wa Jal himself! You speak as if it is abrogated. What is the justification for seemingly making unlawful what Allah made lawful?
32:00 wow 😂 to be honest i have always had a bad feeling about this guy you can smell the fake smile from a mile. This also reminds of Baqarah 79 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا ۖ فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, 'This is from Allah,' in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
@@Historyun Its the cognitive dissonance Abozakaria ,in my opinion. Its so easy to fall into,thats why i think brothers that don't fall for it in the West are of a different Material .
Great episode 1 question 🙋♂️ Is it apart of our deen? If yes then is it like what u described? If no then can u clarify the correct way of this practice? Prophetically speaking. Thank you very much Juzzakhallahu khayran Barrakhallau feek
Abide by the law's of the land in which you live your parents rain to foreign land looking for material wealth and a better life what give you the right to abused their children. No harm in teaching none Muslim about Islam and if they come to Islam then marry them. Give dawa out of love without racism.
I've been viewing his works from time to time in recent years, particularly on "Islam & Blackness," and on the slavery issue, and I can't recall where he defends lgbtq.
I'm very disappointed at dr. Omar 😢. his whole dawah is compromised now because of this lying. If he lies in this one topic, what guarantees that he doesn't lie in another.
This happened in Afghanistan during soviet war. These extremist wahabiz came to fought and married afghan girls and left them. Thank you to bring these issues.
This is one of those knowledge of no benefit. Causing more doubts to these hostorical issues. Even prophet discourage sahabas to discuss the topic of Qadar. This may harm many muslims their faith bro. You have knowledge mashalah but i see u lack wisdom. Am sure soon the enemy of islam will start sharing your videos.
You should direct this advice to the Muslims online who proudly celebrate these topics and insist on boasting about practicing it again at any given chance. If the topic has to be discussed in public, we are not going to let the loudest and most aggressive voices represent Islam and the Muslims.
@@Historyun Brother, is not Islam applicable to all places and times with the execption of those ayah that were abrogated? Just because we exist in modern times doesn't mean this practice should no longer be done. Of course there are those who will exploit this ruling and transgress the limits but that doesn't make it act imperssible. You're scoffing at it as if it is something abominable, yet it is sanctioned by Allah Aza Wa Jal himself! You speak as if it is abrogated. What is the justification for seemingly making unlawful what Allah made lawful?
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Amazing presentation. Learnt a lot.
In 2016 I lost my faith because of certain unanswered questions. "Right hand possessed" was one of them. After staying 7 years in wilderness of Atheism Allah guided me back. Looking back I wish these topics are introduced to young Muslims in totality early on. Ignoring them creates a greater harm
Mashallah
@@SevenMacEleven Okay then, but they repented and returned to the path? And how do you know the road one took wasn’t the one to lead them to allah, simmer your judgment we are all just trying our best..
@@ammarhassan5710 Yeah so you accepted that taking slave women without consent is justified?
You finally found a way to justify non consent relation with female slaves?
@@demoncyborg5875 I feel like you can never justify taking slaves and having sex with them under a modern/post-modern paradigm. The paradigm of consent is very recent. Modern Islamic countries have also agreed upon this as mentioned by Sheikh Saalih Al-Fawzaan. One needs to understand that Islamic laws based on the Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, and Qiyas are what they are.
I think the prospect of taking the enemy's women (and men) and having sex with them is ingrained in the masculine psyche. It just manifests itself in different forms throughout history and cultures. A good example of this is the rape of Palestinian women and men in prisons and rape by American soldiers in Vietnam. It seems to me like Islam didn't strive to erase these tendencies but seeks to regulate them. What Islam essentially says if you look at all the hadith regarding this topic is that you have the right to force yourself upon your slave girl but it is far better and rewarding if you don't. It is more rewarding for you if you treat her well (have sex consensually), educate her, free her, and marry her.
So how does this apply today: I completely agree with the importance of consent as it is seen within modern Muslim societies today. Slavery is seen to be unanimously prohibited within Muslim countries. They also place an importance on consent where it is always effectively necessary but not to the level of the West. It is rightfully seen in the Islamic-patriarchal lens that recognises that wives are obligated to provide sex for their husbands according to the Sunnah even if they do not feel like it. No one wants to partake in duty sex, and I don't condone it. It is, however, an effective method to avoid the Fitna of Zina and pornography and the fitna of feminism - where the woman withholding sex as punishment is seen as completely acceptable. A little discomfort can prevent great evil.
How does it apply for back then: I am not entirely sure. And this has been a prickly thorn of doubt for me. But I have to accept this reality of islamic history for what it is. I have to see that their moral considerations were different from ours and I have to avoid the presentism fallacy. Why should I jeopardise my faith based on a point that is firstly, not applicable today and secondly seemed justified and agreeable to the Sahabas and the Prophets during their time. People who I hold were the best of creation because of all their other actions and their foresight. The more I ponder and discover the wisdom behind the Islamic tradition despite their contrarian position to modern thought on issues such as finances, gender relations, family relations, Akhlaq of the Prophet (S), Aqeedah and its coherence the more I have justified to myself that I am willing to stomach the history of concubinage. Because everything else seems to be the solution to humanity's current problems.
I’m not a Muslim, I’m an Ethiopian/Coptic Orthodox Christian, but I am scholarly inclined & have studied Islam quite a bit (read the Quran, studied a lot of Hadith & writings of established Muslim scholars). Your channel is excellent & your dedication to raw unfiltered facts is commendable.
You are most welcome and thank you for your time and consideration
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Thank you being so open and exposing how so many and this happens in all religions… abuse their texts pretending their great and true worshipers.. but they leave behind the simple and most important trait. Sympathy, kindness consent, and loyalty.. the world seamingley appears to lack all of this
We must deal with the reality of the world, not always hiding behind idealistic interpretations. Only then will be be urged to make a change and work to improve our condition
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Flexibility and Fiqh Al Waq3
Salam alaykum, I have watched all 3 series, and I appreciate your honesty . You have taught me many things that I did not know, especially the reforms of Umar ra, I appreciate that you were honest regarding the issue of concubinage and present it just like what it was. Islam and its rules don't have to be in agreement with whatever new idea of freedom that the West takes upon. Islam is what it is, and if people choose to leave islam because of these things, then so be it. Allah is the guide of the heavens and the earth. We are not tasked with making people muslims, but we are tasked to deliver the message simply. I think you might have a point when you argue that islam intended to eventually abolish all types of slavery but Muslims did not unfortunately go that far. I have respect for both camps in this debate and I believe that just like you, they are just trying to present islam just like it is without apologetics and it is possible that both sides go wrong in certain aspects as well. I have no respect for people who declared muslims as kuffar so that they can kill them and take their properties and make them slaves and I also have no respect for people who try to make islam fit the ever changing morality of the world today.
To fully understand your perspective, I have some questions for you:
1. War is something that is inevitable, and it is necessary to take prisoners of war, at least the men to reduce the power of the enemy, so in your view, what should be done with captured enemy combattants?
If you say no to individuals taking them as slaves, you will end up putting them in huge concentration camps and prisons, which is basically just another form of slavery.
2. Even though I believe there is something to be learned from the reforms of umar, I'm not sure if you are coming to the right conclusion since we dont have any definitive text indicating that islam is meant to be eventually completely abolished from the first 3 generations or from the prophet as far as I know so if it exist, I would love to know about it. So the question is, do we have this definitive text, or is it just speculation?
Really, I dont even have a problem if it is just a speculation but when you or anyone else who take this position speak on this topic, you come across to me at least as if your conclusion is the only one that somebody can come to if they look into the topic which is problematic to me. The same can be said about the opposite side also.
3. If we say Islam meant for muslims to eventually abolish slavery but they didn't, how would you respond to someone who in the future can eventually use this line of thinking to claim that islam eventually meant to abolish poligyny, punishment for homosexuality and other sins and anything else they believe is problematic?
This line of thinking is very similar to what the Christians and jews did in explaining away anything they believed was problematic in their traditions for the past 3 centuries to the point that now you have many Christians who will actively argue for homosexuality for example not being a sin. I think this is a very dangerous path to go down if you are not very careful and if you don't establish the base of your argument on something solid.
Wa Aleikum Salam and thank you for the taking the time to sit through the episodes.
The purpose of these lectures is not to impress upon you any one perspective nor to twist your arm with emotional blackmail (pressing on your Iman or lack thereof etc), it's just to demonstrate the fact that such a topic will always be subject to the narrative and worldview of those conveying the history.
Both sides have errors and shortcomings (some more than others).
The answer to your question has been addressed with the Geneva convention. This is not the sort of decision that can be taken by one side only, for it to work ALL nations must agree otherwise we end up with a situation where war is being conducted by different standards - resulting in total and absolute chaos.
To give a simple analogy, when national teams enter a world competition - they have to sign up to the rules, those who make up their own rules are automatically disqualified.
The rule of war today is that slaves are not taken, "enemy combatants" are to be "detained" in accordance to the new rules and must be released as soon as the ear is over. All nations have signed up for this, there is no need to discuss whether slaves can be housed and owned by individuals anymore. This discussion is outdated.
The question here is, what is our creator's rule on this. Not what nations agree upon. What, in your perspective is Allah's rule on this, which is more relevant to us as muslims, and, what is your evidence for that(if you have any).
My opinion is entirely irrelevant. I am neither a theologian nor a jurist. Rape in general carries a capital punishment in Shari'ah however that is not entirely the case for slaves.
The lecture is direct and not seeking to reach for the stars. Such questions should be directed to the scholars preaching and making claims that are neither substantiated nor evidenced in the books.
The only focus here is historical analysis, which certainly includes the norms in ancient as well as contemporary nations.
Those who insist on reviving the system should also answer these questions. More accountability, less obfuscation
@@Historyun There will never be agreement as the entire world is not upon Islam, we all have different standards. A freed enemy combatant in your land is a potential risk and danger to your society. Just look at da*sh. The Sunnis were caged and tortured, once they were free they formed a formidable force and retaliated, can we blame the sincere among them? Had there been a system in place like that of Islam, where enemies are not enraged by the horrific treatment they witnessed, then would we have seen da*sh today? Millions are still suffering due to the wars waged by the "Geneva convention" abiding Western nations, I refuse to accept it as anything more than ideals or wishful thinking. Whoever is insisting, is only doing so on the basis that the actual implementation as shown by the Prophet SAW & Sahaba is what we aim for, not some opportunistic means that some dream of
I have utmost empathy for those who associate slavery with transatlantic slavery, I can imagine how painful it is to hear, and I'm well aware of muslim rulers who have abused our law to the detriment of thousands of innocent lives as well as more recent juhal who have destroyed the lives of muslims due to their ignorance and greed, but these vile exceptions do make the rule or cancel it. Our commandments are just, we do not abrogate what was never meant to be abrogated, as this is a very real solution to a very serious problem that arises when you inevitably go to war. Brother if I'm being honest, I did not appreciate the notion that because we do not like something for ourselves, this means that we should not enjoin it for others, this feels similar to the problem of evil. If we believe Allah is the most Just and the most Merciful, we should automatically think good of our Lord and His divine laws. We should not assume that everyone is born equal, that this world is rosy or that we shouldn't do unto others what we do not want done to ourselves, this is part of the test of this dunya. We know full well that slavery is by definition a loss of autonomy, and this comes about primarily through being an enemy of Islam, it's a form of imprisonment for crimes. We do not shy away from the reality that your enemy doesn't automatically get freedom upon capture, whether that is a man women or a child, it's up to the commander as he has that choice. You are their custodian, and you are obligated to treat them like a sister or a brother but no, they are not granted freedom merely because freedom is seen as a given today. Manumission is highly desirable and encouraged in our deen, but owning the rights to someone wholly doesn't automatically entail abuse, violence and injustice. We have numerous narrations on the treatment of slaves, and their ability to gain freedom is explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an so no, we reject any claim that slavery in and of itself is a cruel and violent act.
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The faithful and diligent slave will have a double reward." (Abu Hurairah added:) By Him in Whose Hand the soul of Abu Hurairah is, but for Jihad in the Cause of Allah, and Hajj and kindness to my mother, I would have preferred to die as a slave.
@@axis2312 No Muslim has the right to enslave enemies, because all Muslim rulers have pledged with the rest of the nations to end slavery, and all Muslims are bound by these pledges.
Even if there were no covenants, it is not in the interest of Muslims to bring back slavery, first because this harms the reputation of Muslims, and second because we are the weaker party in the world, and if slavery returns, Muslims will be the ones who will be harmed the most by this evil.
Allah Almighty has given us minds to use and do what is best for the benefit of our nation.
I wonder how many people need to skip this episode because of the topic
We appreciate you work. Truth always best. No more sugar
coating.
Alhamdulillah my brotha may Allah reward u in this life and tge nxt, this was scholarship in totality, u broke it down to its very last compound.
Ameen. Barakallahu Feekum
I am agnostic but I believe you do more for your religion (Islam)than any of the deceitful ones
why are you not a muslim?
Define "deceitful ones"
Ones who are carrying on with the lies of what has taken place. The Koran is proof of all. I am great full for the channel.
Shut up
Assalamualaykum my beloved brother in Islam
First of all I would like to thank you for your incredible work in filling this much needed niche in the online Islamic space for a sincere analytical approach to Islamic history. It is clear that you are very willing to let the truth lead you rather than being tied down to pre-existing convictions that you retrospectively rationalize, and it is indeed refreshing, even if I do not necessarily agree with every perspective that you or your guests share. It is all food for thought.
That being said, I believe this video series shed light on an important topic that troubles many young Muslims in today’s current climate. No doubt, there is ground for them to be troubled due to the lack of a coherent, accessible and easy answer to this difficult topic.
My only constructive “criticism” of the video series, and please feel free to correct me as it may easily have been a misunderstanding on my part - is that whilst I feel it did an excellent job at highlighting some of the weaknesses in the common defenses of slavery in Islam presented by mainstream modern daees, I do not feel like it then provided an actual defense in and of itself, or an actual clear cut explanation that DID bring together authentic evidences from the Qur’an and sunnah. The video concluded with a reminder that the West has no right to throw stones from a glasshouse after looking at their history, but this is only effective in countering Western superiority, not necessarily in highlighting Islamic moral superiority. It may not resonate with Muslims or Westerners who do not identify or are not proud of what the West is doing/has done historically. I do not feel like if someone was having doubts about this topic, I could direct them to these videos and by the end they walk away feeling like - Oh I get it now, doubts quelled.
I understand that your speciality and the focus of the channel is history, and with that the stark reality, not necessarily abstract idealism. But I also feel that part of the objectives you laid out at the start of the series WAS to provide an answer that was based upon authentic sources, that did not have the pitfalls and contradictions that you pointed out. That was what I was looking forward to. A nice conclusion that tied up everything with a coherent defense. I do not feel that this was necessarily achieved and like I said, I may have easily have missed it, or perhaps I was being too optimistic with what I assumed the video was about. I understand not every question can have an easy, sunshine and rainbows, satisfying nice answer. But I do feel like even if the answer is difficult to swallow, it should be presented whole, with at least the tools for someone to come to grips with the answer.
Would it be worth producing a fourth video that provides such an answer? Or perhaps you have already uploaded a video on your channel with one of your guests that may provide such an answer? Please do let me know.
Once again brother, please do not be offended. I am asking to understand not asking to criticize. I appreciate the thousands of hours you devote to this channel to enlighten Muslim minds and support us in thinking critically. I am looking forward to your future work. May Allah accept from you and keep you sincere and reward you for your efforts.
Wa Aleikum Salam brother,
No need to apologise and thank you for the insightful feedback. This series was a light introduction as there is the intent to delve much deeper into the subject at a later date (time permitting) however the primary objective was to break the ironclad perception that slavery was inherently Islamic and impermissible for anyone to diminish or marginalise at any point. Beyond that, there was no intent to convince the audience of the inherent good or evil of the institution as this was something accepted and practiced universally for the greatest portion of human history.
@@Historyunso one could hypothetically sleep with a RHP then marry her off the next day to another guy since he doesn’t need her consent 🤔
@zainhs no, there is always a period in between to make sure that there is no pregnancy. For a slave it's much shorter
God bless this brother this is exactly the question that was ringing in my head as I watched through the 3 series. The way you put the question eloquently and really detailed is very very commendable cause I would have loved to ask but I don't even know how or where to start from but you did and thank you for asking. And kudos @Historyun for this insightful videos. But hopefully you release more explaining the correct Islamic slavery and how it was supposed to be ran according to Allah and Prophet Muhammad (saw). I really want to know more about the right hand possesses. How isn't it Zina if you are not married to a slave and you still have the right to lay with her. And what are other things allowed in Islam when they take slaves. Jazakumullah Khairun
@Historyun I hope you see my first reply here.
My Brother AZ with a well researched and presented topic. This is the type of discussions we need in the Ummah.
But why would sahaba sleep with their slave women without consent if they can sleep with their own wives, what compels a man to force himself on a woman anyways? Wouldn’t that have a negative impact on the slave women towards Islam & the good character of her master?
Slaves need sex too.but I disagree with this entire debacle
You raise a good point.
As for the first part of your question i will just say i can tell your a lady.i will keep it at that.
Second part , its never okay to force yourself onto anyone nor commit acts of violence or injustice.
بسم الاه الرحمن الرحيم
وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى الْبِغَاءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّنًا لِتَبْتَغُوا عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ وَمَنْ يُكْرِهْهُنَّ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ مِنْ بَعْدِ إِكْرَاهِهِنَّ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
And do not compel your concubines, if they desire chastity, to seek [through it] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.
@@ABN_UA-cam That ayah is revealed due master's habit of forcing slave girls into prostitution.
Not what many try to imply using this ayah in relationship master and slave-girls
You are judging ancient times by today's standards, and that is the biggest mistake a person makes when reading history.
Islam came and slavery was the system of the world, and the world economy was based on slavery. Islam did not invent slavery, but it was the best at dealing with it.
Islam considers slaves as our brothers, not our property. The Prophet ﷺ said, “Whoever kills his slave, we will kill him, and whoever mutilates his slave, we will mutilate him.”
Islam gave every slave the right to buy his freedom, and imposed on his master to pay a portion of the price (it was said a quarter), and these are the “mukatabun” who have the right to take zakat as stated in the Qur’an.
Therefore, it is impossible for a slave to remain a slave throughout his life in the lands of Islam.
This was at a time when the world was governed by the Roman maxim that "it is cheaper to work slaves to death and buy others than to improve their living conditions."
Put this in historical context, and you will see how Islam has taken humanity light years ahead.
As for the female slaves, if they give birth to a child for their master, their son or daughter will free them, and their master will no longer have the right to sell them.
@@alal039 As for the female slaves, if they give birth to a child for their master, their son or daughter will free them, and their master will no longer have the right to sell them.
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Cite your sources.
Islam considers slaves as our brothers, not our property. The Prophet ﷺ said, “Whoever kills his slave, we will kill him, and whoever mutilates his slave, we will mutilate him.”
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Lies.
مَن قتلَ عبدَه قتَلناهُ، ومَن جدَّعَ عبدَه جدَّعناهُ، ومَن أخصَى عبدَه أخصَيناهُ
المحدث : الألباني
خلاصة حكم المحدث : إسناده ضعيف
من قَتَل عَبْدَه قتَلْناه
المحدث : ابن العربي
خلاصة حكم المحدث : لم يصح سندا
We need to be educated and learn from this. It’s wrong and was wrong and they’ll be judged by Allah SWT. But we need sincere daawah in the Muslim world to defend and liberate our Muslim sisters.
Jazakallah khair.... Very informative and Eye opening.
AZ once again I learnt a great deal and can see the landscape much clearer now, this sensitive subject, cuts across all races and nationalities! I'm sad to see how we have and are behaving ,yet liberated to see the truth and see how it has been suppressed. In closing this fits right into the modern Sufi teachings of the Moorish Science of Noble Drew Ali, "Through sin and disobedience every nation has suffered slavery, due to the fact that they honored not the creed and principles of their forefathers"..As Salamu alaykum..🙏
Amazing series I learned a lot from your video ty for opening my eyes more I hope no one get to be the slave and everyone should be free and at peace excellent information 👏
Thank you for your time and consideration
Very well researched and beautifully presented session. I found all the 3 sessions very informative and very very different the way these topics are addressed in our times.
Also loved the book recommendations you gave in the end. For layman its difficult to have a starting point, where to look for resources and information. Would love if you can provide such recommendations for all your videos
May Allah bless this channel your work abundantly
Thank you for your time and attention to detail. Valuable feedback too
What confuses me; why is there room for assumptions at all? In 23 years of being an Prophet, how come there was no order banning slave ownership? Why would Allah give freedom of choice to humans, and then subordinated their freedom to the will of another? Throughout the life of the Prophet, peace be upon him, man was gradually distanced from alcohol, until it was finally forbidden. Clearly, for a reason. But why is something that hurts on a personal level overshadowed something that it touches and destroys the lives of others. Isn't that more primary?
This is covered in part 2. There are many legislative actions carried out immediately following the death of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ by his senior companions whom he instructed the community to follow.
The prophet Muhammad ﷺ also informed his wife Aishah of the impracticality of changing society suddenly, expressing his wish to make structural changes to the Kaba (for example) but being unable to at the time etc.
It takes more than just a cursory reading of the Seerah to grasp the full context.
Alcohol is a whole different issue from slavery. Unlike alcohol, slavery until the industrial revolution(coincidental where slavery was rapidly starting to be abolished in the west and by extension by the world) was a necessary institution for societies, especially massive societies, which the Islamic civilization became after the conquests after the death of the prophet pbuh.
Of course based on the rules of enslavement and the actions of the prophet pbuh, it's clear that slavery is clearly not preferred in islam, and if possible you should free them(this is based on the fact that islam gives an incentive to freeing slaves via getting awards in the afterlife for doing so).
Based on that, we should not reinvigorate the institution. That's how I see it.
@@Historyun can you also discuss how a slave must be treated, clothed, and fed? I believe the same as the “master”. So like if Bill Gates was a Muslim slave owner people today would be lining up to be under him.
@@TheHouseeeee again, why would something so humiliating be left unfinished? That automatically leaves room for superiors and inferiors. You see, I can explain the Western problem with Aisha. Because they are automatically set up as child sexual exploitation, which I absolutely do not believe. I see that relationship as a teacher who raised a student, in order to make her a teacher. Which will convey the message to Muslims, but also explain to women their position in society, as someone who should participate in shaping society.
@@SpeakUp4Peace covered in the prior 2 episodes.
Thank you , brother may Allah bless you for your work .This was eye opening and something that has had a profound impact on me and helped further develop my critical thinking skills .Please continue your excellent work , it is needed now more than ever before .
Many thanks for the words of encouragement
Subahaana'Allah akhi Wallahi the reality of what Muslim woman and men are going through in prison is worse than the idea of taking concubines or captives of war.
That's irrelevant....2 wrongs don't make a right, ever....and certainly NOT in Islam!
What an inhumane mindset to have...
good thing allah al hamd didnt say war captives like scholars say.. so word malik you can take besides your muslim wife refers to woman/girls that are non muslims and yup those non muslims can be taken without a battle, like a high school non muslim blonde that accepts to come to your bedroom without a battle lol, and if you say battle well the battle was won without a fight but charm or funny jokes or girl falling for the beauty of the muslim mans/boys face... so lol for muslim scholars saying ahum ahum only captive of war girls can be taken lol... ahum ahum
@vulsaprus then what should be done with captives of war? Remember in islam, the prophet Muhammad pbuh and his sahaba freed many of these pow and married them. Now look how the west has consistently treated pow in the most sickening inhumane ways!
@@mohamadbazzi6962 okay but vvar is vvar. As what's-his-face The Mvrtadd "sOn Of Hannas" said, "[sic] VVar is vvar! People dye[sic]!", or in this case, people get su6dued.
Excellent, well-researched, and informative video with beneficial practical advice at the end. Mashallah.
Barakallahu Feekum brother
Thanks for no sugar coating am interested in truth, my faith in Allah grows stronger when i know the truth
I really hope our reactionary Dawah bros actually pay attention to what is being said here and not start making accusatory reaction videos on this. Excellent work again brother.
Brother AZ doesn't disappoint. May Allah keep you steadfast in your journey in helping the Ummah learn their history.
Ameen. Barakallahu Feekum 💎
Turh and honesty is one of the core principles in Islam after Tawhiid (Oneness of God - Aka Pure Monotheism).
I am learning about this sensitive subject and comparing it with the spirit of the Quran. If not for the beauty of the Quran and Islam i would most likely have been an athiest. Alhamdulillah for Islam and faith in this world.
Thankyou Verry Much for all the hard work you have presente'd to us explaining on the Concubines, dr Suliman is a verry good Scholar and i respect him alot, however end of day we are only humen making mistake's .may Almighty Allah forgive us all . Ameen.
Barakallahu Feekum. Mistakes are inevitable however where possible, we must highlight the correct information to remove doubt and confusion.
Perfection belongs to Allah alone and we are all servants, nobody is above being corrected
@@Historyun I appriciete you'r hard work brother. May Allah bless you. Ameen.
@@ricky399 Barakatuhu Feekum
brother, thank you very much for everything you are doing for this ummah.
Barakallahu Feekum 💎
This was an excellent presentation. May Allah forgive brother Umar for his mistakes ( and all of us for ours).
Ameen 🙏
As a general principle regardless of which religion one believes in shouldnt one more fervently pray and hope that none of us ourselves or our progeny engages in these practices of slavery than being a victim of it?
The fact that being a victim of it is somehow more demeaning to people than being perpetrators is what makes this so egregious for all of our societies be it Islamic or non Islamic ones.
Thank you. This is an important discussion and you handled it in a way that is riveting. Your presentation is superb. Jazaakumullaahu Khayran!
You are most welcome. Barakallahu Feekum
JazakAllah khair for the thorough historical breakdown of concubines. I appreciate how you present the information clearly without overcomplicating things. However, I had one concern regarding the way Dr. Omar Suleiman's refutation of the autonomy of slave women was addressed. You mentioned that the evidence he uses is misunderstood and that he mistakenly jumps to scholarly work rather than using Quran and Sunnah as the basis of the argument. While that’s valuable, I felt there was a gap you could have been bridged by explaining concubinage through the lens of the Quran and Sunnah. It feels like we’re still left with some questions about the Quranic stance on concubines and the rights of slave women
Barakallahu Feekum. That gap will be filled in a separate lecture, the purpose of this presentation was simply to demonstrate the holes in some modern interpretations and arguments
Excellent discussion. Sorely needed. Very commonly misunderstood around the world.
The Syrian refugee part you mentioned is not related to slave trade, but is talking about the dowry money. Which does not mean it is not sad, but is not related to the topic you are presenting on.
Also, the grooming part you mentioned is not under the guise of religion, but these people happen to be criminals and Muslims at the same time.
Concubinage is result of war, and as no man would want for his family members such a fate, so they should not wage war or support it
Those are brought forward to demonstrate a common theme, certain men circumvent the spirit of Islam to fulfil their lust by any means available. Whether it's exploiting Muslim girls with sham marriages or non-Muslims under the pretext of Jihad in the West. And yes, they look at these British girls as Concubines/right hand possess. Several victims have arrested to this in their testimonies.
Everyone finds a way to justify their wrongdoing. Whether it's a maid, a war bride or the girl nextdoor.
@@Historyun overall it’s a great presentation and I really admire your knowledge and presentation skills.
However, there was a bit of disconnect for me, for example the part where you mentioned about the descendants of the people who were enslaved in USA. Would I be correct to assume that you are challenging the Muslims who glorify enslaving people? in what context these conversations happen? I am from Pakistan and known some very hardcore people, but never heard a mention of the enslaving people. So maybe there is a cultural element which I am not aware of.
And your mention of Dr. Afia and prisoners of Guantanamo bay was very brave and spot on. I also believe that people who do not see the state we are in and would say things like right hand possess are detached from reality completely or are just some opportunistic individuals who really do not care about religion.
I am also wondering that people who marry this nikah misyar or buy girls to somehow justify their action in accordance with Islam, are they really religious? If not, then why they do that? What’s the point of sugar coating something so evil, while they know that Allah is all seeing all knowing
dowry money is not given to the parents. that is slave money if given to parent.
@@ShaffafAhmed not really, in northwest part of Pakistan and in Afghanistan dowry money is given to the father of the bride
@@amirmohammed395 That is cultural custom, not Islam.
Jazak Allaahu Khair again
Barakallahu Feekum
Freed slave means someone who was a slave in the past. That’s what I believe brother Omar Sulaiman meant.
We assume the best
Mawali I assume
They are clients or freed slaves now clients to their masters thus a fellow member of the tribe of their masters by virtue of loyalty
@@Historyun I think freed slaves means Mawla
Amazing presentations thank you for your in depth works! Salaamualaykum RahmatulahBarakatu
Barakallahu Feekum
The limiting of punishments of slaves makes it obvious that the condition of slavery and the limited autonomy was both admitted and addressed as such. Believers face facts as facts (scriptural. relative, and objective), and build upon them as a way of life -'din. Apologetics deny facts where believers fail thus twisting the POV on the way of life prescribed -'din in line with Orientalist ideas of religion. There is a large intellectual difference between the Arabic root for truth -'Aql and the Latin root for thing, real, reality - 'rez. One prescribes knowledge 'Ilm to a holistic "truth' while the other simply bean counts things and divide/conquers based on relationships.
Faith and societal linguistic differences aside. Working with AI I can see that object oriented paradigms have severe limits.
Faith and societal differences not as an aside. I already knew that.
Plato hated history (as being a truthful academic study) for this very reason.
History counted on reason to conquer truth.
History when not looked at from the 'rez paradigm would have expanded his tool set.
Like missing the right wrench and don't even know it, so I use vice-grips, breaking the project.
Makes one bitter.
Very interesting topic sheikh. How do I find part one of this interview.
Part 1 - ua-cam.com/video/oaGp2g5vxxw/v-deo.html
Part 2 - ua-cam.com/video/DdRX7iXCXuo/v-deo.html
If one cannot force a slave to change his or her religion , neither can you force a slave to marry against their will . I believe that the classical Islamic Jurists misinterpreted, Some are continuing that tradition
Thank you for this True discussion. JazakAllah.😊
Barakallahu Feekum
Some men want to use the opportunity except when table is turned. So this kind of ruling gets exploited at the wrong hand.
Brother, apologies for another comment (only way to communicate), where/how do you situate yourself with regards to all this - Islamically speaking - on a doctrinal level? In your opinion, are there grounds from the Qur'an and the Prophetic example upon which we can build an alternate perspective than that taken by the scholarly tradition? Can we say there was a true rupture between the scholarly tradition and the prophetic teachings when it comes to this?
@@Maimonides119 I believe that concubines are completely halal in Islam but you can not treat your slaves poorly in Islam. And a concubine is a slave, and must be treated well. If rape is occurring and she dreads it, then you have already disobeyed Allah. But to say there must be “consent” in the western terms, then no. You can have your way with concubines. Keep them happy tho. And with that being said, there is no reason to keep slaves today, as Muslims are not in any strength to conquer any lands. Let’s strengthen ourselves and unite ourselves first.
@@ninjaknight4486 how can the concubines be happy if they could not consent to the physical relationship in the first place
Salaam 3alaykum Since you are been, truthful and straightforward on on all of these issues.Have you dove into the issue of fadak or Ali and Abu bakr issue
@@biggms13g It is sufficient to know that when Ali became caliph, he followed the example of Abu Bakr and Umar in the matter of Fadak, and did not make it an inheritance for the family of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace.
The explanation for why, if he didnt return fadak to his own family, is not as easily implied as your tone suggests it is. Its enough that a righteous ummayad caliph Umar Abdul Aziz gave fadak back to ahlul bayt @alal039
@@alal039 abu bakr keep it umar let them Administrated it then Uthman gave it to Marwan Ali was dealing with fitna he's whole khalafat I'm asking you as man truth go back and And honestly, research everything, and then give a honest opinion. May Allah guide you to the truth
@@Maimonides119 There were other heirs to Fadak besides Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein, such as the wives of the Prophet ﷺ ، and the sons of Al-Abbas bin Abdul Muttalib. Why did Ali not return it to them after he assumed the caliphate? And it doesn't matter whether Omar returned it or not, your Imam is Ali, not Omar bin Abdul Aziz.
@@biggms13g I know everything I need to know about this issue, and the fact that Ali did not return Fadak to those you claim are its heirs is enough to clarify the truth. If you do not want the truth, then that is your problem. And the excuse that Ali was busy with the fitna is ridiculous. Abu Bakr was also busy with the Ridda Wars, so why do you blame him?
Although you have done a great job of putting things into perspective. Why did it take the Muslim clergy after the Prophet pbuh and Sahaba more than a 1000 years to pass fatwas on banning or at least restricting slavery and concubinage. Some direction or reading material on this would be appreciated.
That is precisely the question put forth in the previous lecture ua-cam.com/video/DdRX7iXCXuo/v-deo.html
@@Historyun But with respect you only mentioned one scholar from west africa and one other scholar. I was asking for some classical scholars, who had perhaps passed fatwas or put limits after the reforms by Umar R.A. If one solely goes by the references to scholars you gave the 1000 year gap obviously comes into question and can be a contentious issue, which silently eats away at someone.
@@a.ssajjad932 To be perfectly honest, that is not information we have access to. It will require more research and inquiry
@@Historyun Appreciate your honesty.
Masha Allah! May Allah reward you.
As far as the arabic, the verb of manumit is not there but Im just wondering why it says "she is taken from him" - can the rapist be the master here? And where is she taken to?
She is taken from him (the thief, kidnapper) and returned to her master who will be compensated by the thief.
@@Historyun thanks for clarifying
You re saying it s a hard pill to swollow....
But if all of you , and the ppl in the comment section lived 200 yrs ago, u d see it as smt completely normal
Why do people of our age think we re smt special
Or they didn't have a choice with regards to these matters. Like today
@@Foodiequeen22 which was also part of normality. So as hard as this is , women back then knew they didnt have any consent or choice, and men who were enslaved aswell, and they knew the situations they were in, it was simply part of reality. It is not a beautiful utopian reality, I am not saying that, I am saying it was never a reason back then to doubt Islam.
Thats the issue.
It was part of reality - and women expected this to happen, thats why they wished to be married off or protected it was important, so they do not end up a concubine or anything like it, so obviously being a concubine was nothing they aspired to become,- they needed men to protect them from this - eventhough their men would probably do the same to the ennemy side- this was the world, - the world was mostly dark- but all of that wasnt a reason to doubt the the truth of islam.
You are 💯 correct. Women knew what came with losing a war (they also knew what came with winning one, including getting slaves of their own).
The problem comes when we want to superimpose a part reality to a modern society, forcing this onto contemporary people is a "bitter pill to swallow" hence the caution and advice for those at the forefront of this new wave of pro-slavery advocates.
It wasn't strange for women to shave their heads bold and to dress their daughters as boys on the eve of conquest, just in case they were captured. In some cases, members of the higher castes organised mass suicide gatherings, poison ready in case news of a defeat was announced. Those women would rather have died than to end up a Concubine.
It was just the way of the world for as long as man can remember. Things have changed now and we should respect this instead of insisting on recreating the past.
Glad to see that someone gets it.
@@Historyun Judging the situation of the past with the present glasses. I do get it - but I cannot judge it because I do not know how I would have been if I lived back then. I can say it is unpleasent behaviour but I cant judge the ppl as immoral freaks, -It is easy for us to say it is "bad", but if it was an everyday thing in our society, a minority of us would say "it s bad" just the way we speak about the spread of pornography in our age, why doesnt our hearts ache speaking about this horrible addiction children fell into- or the reality that economic situation force a lot of women in the west aswell as in muslim world into prostitution - but "concubinage" is the only senstive topic, where we crawling to find an explain or defend. I like your presentation because you just throw the facts into the face of the people. I didnt get hurt by listening to it, because again I could ve been born in that age, and saying I wouldnt have owned or posessed if I was able too, would just be hypocritical of me- or I could ve been possessed, and I wouldve hated my master, but in the same time I would ve known that this reality,- just as today people hate their debt collectors or state burocracy. It s simply reality-
@aymanus04 our ancestors would have a lot more to say about us if they knew how the institution of marriage has been changed to include previously unheard of concepts and practices. They would also be equally as disapproving of our high modern rates of children born out of wedlock, cohabitation, baby mamas, side chicks and the rising only fans industry.
It works both ways.
So Slaves who were Muslims remained in slavery, I thought that it was forbidden for a Muslim to hold another Muslim as a slave?
It's forbidden to take someone who is a Muslim however it is not forbidden to keep someone who becomes Muslim after having already been enslaved, otherwise everyone would just convert and be granted automatic freedom
You thought wrong, because you let dawah men think for you. You're a victim of the likes of sheikh uthman and daniel pikachu.
@@vulsaprus Do you know me, what foolishness, mind your business, stop slandering.
@@HasanAnyabwile Slandering? That was not my intention my dude, sorry if my statement gave that implication.
@@vulsaprus I don’t know those two scholars particularly, I know about them, and I don’t even listen to them, so I don’t know what you are about, I asked because of my research on this matter, where different opinions exists according to various periods of Islamic governance, so I wanted to know what was this brother who is presenting, opinion on this aspect.
So how do we handle what about is?
I really wonder about your intentions, brother. You are well trained. I am not a scholer, but every day I wounder about the scholers all around the world that don't they understand the need of the hour? Although I enjoyed the show.
But brother I have a doubt in sahih muslim 3432 it says that even if females captured during the war has husbands you can still use them (sexualy)
It seems Hadiths written after Prophet Muhammad pbuh have caused a lot of confusion. The Quran is complete why do we need further instruction from scholars? Thank you for the videos and may God bless you for your efforts to bring light to issues such as these.
So you dont want to pray 5 times a day ? Because thats not said in quran
If these laws don't exist? What happens to women after war? Who protects their rights? Its a law to protect POW Women if you do a deeper analysis
1:12:04 this is a great presentation, so far I think the only error you’ve made is not using the US constitution as a source for it happening right now. You can be a slave today in the US as long as you have been convicted of a crime and this is the justification for having prisoners make license plates and paying them pennies per hour.
Many thanks. The prison pipeline complex has been included later on in the presentation as a form of modern slavery in America (and globally for that matter)
@@Historyun I ended up seeing it later. But the part that is important is that slavery is still legal in the constitution. 13th amendment.
Slavery was never outlawed to this day
It is truly a misuse of Islam. A true Mu’amen won’t do or attempt any of that cuz u r connected to Allah and the hereafter, such a slave to their lust are far away from that. We r told to treat slaves as one of us, who would rape his family ? Smh
I hate to misuse of Islam. It shows me how far we are as a nation from the Golden age of the are waiting for
@@supermariothecanecorso1521 thank u for posting this comment. This is only sane and logical comment here. Folks need to demonstrate that Islam is the true religion through their actions …
Servant doesnt mean slave. Slave is a term from the enslavement of Europeans from Slovakia, Slovenia, YugoSlavia etc. In Martin Lungs book on the Prophet pbuh, Hajar was a princess
1:19:45 another one where you’re a little mistaken brother. He only emancipated slaves in the confederacy, not the US. So states like Jersey got rid of slavery after the slave states.
Thank you for the clarification, meaning that history has been exaggerated when we are told that he unequivocally emancipated all slaves. It's always in the fine print
@ I also appreciate the ending part about the sensitivities of us that have grown up in the US. Arab and Muslim doesn’t necessarily overlap either and the use of the word عبيد to refer to use black people in America breeds a lot of distrust.
When he says "ukhithat minhu" it literally means she will be taken from him. This could mean freedom if you stretch it in the sense that if she is taken from him, and she happens to be his slave, she doesn't become the slave of the person taking her from him then taking her from him COULD mean freedom from him as she isn't going back to him. But the issue of she is paid and all the rest is a sad thing. This isn't necessary at all! He shouldn't be adding in the translation but translate word for word!!
It would be plausible if he didn't steal/kidnap her from her owner to begin with. It's a monumental reach.
Well, again, how do we reach that conclusion as it isn't specifically mentioned as that's what happened.
@@abbalatiffsheriff3823 we do so by reading the entire edict in its full context with commentary.
If non-consensual concubinage is sanctioned in shariah and even with minors how can you blame people that leave Islam ? What a travesty. So this was permissible under someone who is called Rahmatullil A’lamin ?? Make it make sense
Completely false. Non consensual concubinage is considered rape/adultery and is either punishable by death or 100 lashes depending on the context in sharia. Same with minors.
Completely false. Non consensual concubinage is considered rape/adultery and is either punishable by death or 100 lashes depending on the context in shariah. Same with minors.
@@thedictationofallahthere can be no consensual slavery
btw why do you use the term "revert" instead of "convert" or whatever.
'There is no compulsion in religion' abolishes all compulsions even between those within the same religion. ( Including slavery). It was regulated because it was inequality and injustice in reality established by those following their own desires. Needless to mention to those conscious and who have reason and reading the Quran , the Law.
Salaam. Can you clarify in the book of prof J brown .
You quoted the section that spoke about consent and it's not required for slave women and minors .
What is the context behind the minors being mentioned here as the topic is consent for relations but why mentioning minors.
Clarification please.
Wa Aleikum Salam
It means that minors are not consulted in matters when marriage contracts are drawn on their behalf by caretakers and guardians. Only adult men and women need give consent, not slaves or minors.
Jazaakallah. Appreciate the reply.
Was there any other context we can add when it came to concubines as if I am correct this was only as a result of war and not generally something that would happen as well as slaves in general became forbidden unless as a result of war.
@@snf321gotti6 absolutely, only through war however the system was circumvented (for obvious reasons) to the point in which some men had hundreds in their private collection. More recently, some people have tried to compare their employees to Concubines in an attempt to satisfy their desires under that pretext, as demonstrated in the clip shared
It all boils down to desires for many modern days advocates of slavery and concubinage.
@@Historyun OK thank you again. This is a topic I could speak to for hours on.
I have some final thoughts if you care to respond but if not I understand as I respect your time.
Final point I wanted to understand was in the context of this practice of slavery and especially concubines it is deemed as a practice that was and not applied today. What is the current Islamic perspective on that matter in our time. I would want to really ask if a war was in effect today would it be the same situation or not.
Jazakullah in advance
@@snf321gotti6 in short, it was the defacto position in war. Women were ravaged and violated by soldiers, the Concubine was not exposed to multiple violations but instead entrusted to a single soldier/owner.
It's difficult to comprehend however this was just the convention throughout history.
Today this has been unanimously ruled out as a part of modern warfare (but it doesn't mean that soldiers will abide by this new legislation - as we saw with American soldiers in Iraq for example, it's just a legal injunction).
War is hell.
This has made my iman crash since I watched it
Then how was universe was created
Brother think about it this way, none of the details about consent or age should be an issue bcz outside of Islam it was the law of the jungle and when Islam did come these things were supposed to be restricted and wiped out with progress of time. The restrictions did start with the Prophet pbuh and progressed very rapidly in the time of the Rashidun Caliphs (esp Umar RA). The only question should be that why did it take the Muslim clergy more than a 1000 years to pass rulings on banning or restricting slavery and concubinage. I dont have the answer to the last question myself yet, but I hope the response eased some of your doubts.
@a.ssajjad932 I sincerely appreciate your reply brother.. In a world where not many people have time for me I appreciateyou taking time.. It was more about the Sheikh changing what the arabic said.. I listen to alot of his lectures.. and it made me feel gullible and disappointed. Like now I have to review everything he says..
@@hudjohns6371 Agreed Omar Suleiman is such a good spokesman, but he dropped the ball on this one. Not sure how you feel about the issue now that time has passed but certainly it's a test of faith. I'm not a scholar or anything but could it be that Surah al nisa 24 abrogated the preceding verses? It says that marriage is a requirement for lawful relations and not fornication.
Selaam alekoum achi, is there a reason why no references are made to the Quran? Barakallahoefiek! Wa selaam, Jeroen
Wa Aleikum Salam
The use of Quranic and Hadith references have been covered in parts 1 & 2
@@Historyun
I have also watched Part 1 and 2. In Part 1, at 31:54, there is only one general reference to the Qur'an. This concerns the more general passage in Ali Imran: "مِنكُم مَّن يُرِيدُ ٱلدُّنْيَا" ("Among you are those who desire the worldly life"). In Part 2, there is also one reference to the Qur'an, this one specifically related to (the abolition of) slavery: Qur'an 24:33. This is actually the only Qur'anic verse in these three parts that specifically addresses (the abolition of) slavery. In part 3 about concubines there is not one reference to the Quran.
I believe there are many relevant verses in the Qur'an, that should be referenced when making a critical analysis of how (the abolition of) slavery relates to islam, islamic tradition/hostory and what the Qur'an actually teaches us about it.
Since you referred in the introduction to the Qur'an as the highest standard of ethics and authority, including in the case of (setting the premise for the abolition of) slavery, and you saying that many people (within the Islamic tradition, including those with authority) turn away from the Qur'an (Qur'an 25:30), and you saying that we should be honest about this, I had different expectations. Also because of the references you made to Umar and hw close he was with the Quran and true Sunnah. I expected you to analyse Islamic traditions, including the fatawa of respected scholars from the madhahib and even certain ahadith, in Light of the Qur'an. I believe and see there is indeed a contradiction between the Qur'an and tradition, especially concerning concubines. I believe we need to be viewing the tradition through the lens of the Qur'an rather than interpreting the Qur'an through the eyes of tradition.
If this series is intended solely as a historical analysis, I understand the approach and why there are few references to the Qur'an. But if the actual intent was a more critical analysis (as I expected and you suggested), to measure Islamic traditions, practices, and even fatawa of respected scholars in light of the Qur'an, then a more thorough analysis and more references to the Qur'an are needed. I believe there is a real need for this. With the little i know i am willing to give me time and energy to contribute in this.
@@Historyun I have also watched Part 1 and 2 before. In Part 1, at 31: 54, there is only one general reference to the Qur'an. This concerns the more general passage in Ali Imran: "مِنكُم مَّن يُرِيدُ ٱلدُّنْيَا" ("Among you are those who desire the worldly life"). In Part 2 as a whole, there is also one reference to the Qur'an, more specifically related to (the abolition of) slavery: Qur'an 24:33. This is actually the only Qur'anic verse in these three parts that specifically addresses (the -premise for - abolition of) slavery. In part 3 when it comes to concubines in particular there is none.
However, I believe there are many verses in the Qur'an, especially when approached holistically, that should be referenced when making a critical analysis of how (the abolition of) slavery and the islamic tradition relates to islam/ethics and teachings of the Qur'an and (true) Sunnah.
Since you referred in the introduction to the Qur'an as the highest standard of ethics and authority, also (as premise) for the abolition of slavery, and given that many people (within the Islamic tradition, including those with authority) turn away from the Qur'an like you said (see also Qur'an 25:30), and that we should be honest about this, I had a different expectation. I expected you to critically analyze Islamic traditions, including the fatawa of respected scholars and even certain ahadith, in the Light of the Qur'an (and its high ethics). I see and believe there is indeed a contradiction between the ethics of the Qur'an and the islamic tradition concerning slavery and concubines. I believe someone like Umar ra was much more close to these ethics of the Quran and the true Sunnah. Much more than the mainstream views of the four madhahib for example. I also underline the points you made regarding what Umar Soleyman was saying. And in addition to that: he as well didnt made any reference to the Quran but referred only to the opinions of classical scholars. I believe we need the Quran much more than our mainstream is doiing, and when we do, we need to view the tradition through the lens of the Qur'an rather than interpreting the Qur'an through the eyes of the tradition.
If this series is intended solely as a historical analysis, I understand the approach and why there are few references to the Qur'an. But if the actual intent was a more critical analysis (as you suggested and I expected in part 1), to measure Islamic traditions, practices, and even fatawa of respected scholars to the (highest) ethics of the Qur'an, then a more thorough analysis and more references to the Qur'an are needed. I believe there is a real need for this. With the little i know i am willing to contribute to this where i can.
Again, djazakallahoegairan, for all your good works and contributions, much love,
Wa selaam, Jeroen
@@Historyun I have also watched Part 1 and 2 before. In Part 1, at 31: 54, there is only one general reference to the Qur'an. This concerns the more general passage in Ali Imran: "مِنكُم مَّن يُرِيدُ ٱلدُّنْيَا" ("Among you are those who desire the worldly life"). In Part 2 as a whole, there is also one reference to the Qur'an, more specifically related to (the abolition of) slavery: Qur'an 24:33. This is actually the only Qur'anic verse in these three parts that specifically addresses (the -premise for - abolition of) slavery. In part 3 when it comes to concubines in particular there is none.
However, I believe there are many verses in the Qur'an, especially when approached holistically, that should be referenced when making a critical analysis of how (the abolition of) slavery and the islamic tradition relates to islam/ethics and teachings of the Qur'an and (true) Sunnah.
Since you referred in the introduction to the Qur'an as the highest standard of ethics and authority, also (as premise) for the abolition of slavery, and given that many people (within the Islamic tradition, including those with authority) turn away from the Qur'an like you said (see also Qur'an 25:30), and that we should be honest about this, I had a different expectation. I expected you to critically analyze Islamic traditions, including the fatawa of respected scholars and even certain ahadith, in the Light of the Qur'an (and its high ethics). I see and believe there is indeed a contradiction between the ethics of the Qur'an and the islamic tradition concerning slavery and concubines. I believe someone like Umar ra was much more close to these ethics of the Quran and the true Sunnah. Much more than the mainstream views of the four madhahib for example. I also underline the points you made regarding what Umar Soleyman was saying. And in addition to that: he as well didnt made any reference to the Quran but referred only to the opinions of classical scholars. I believe we need the Quran much more than our mainstream is doiing, and when we do, we need to view the tradition through the lens of the Qur'an rather than interpreting the Qur'an through the eyes of the tradition.
If this series is intended solely as a historical analysis, I understand the approach and why there are few references to the Qur'an. But if the actual intent was a more critical analysis (as you suggested and I expected in part 1), to measure Islamic traditions, practices, and even fatawa of respected scholars to the (highest) ethics of the Qur'an, then a more thorough analysis and more references to the Qur'an are needed. I believe there is a real need for this. With the little i know i am willing to contribute to this where i can.
Again, djazakallahoegairan, for all your good works and contributions, much love,
Wa selaam, Jeroen
p.s. excuse i responded this answer a couple times but i cant see if the answer is coming through
test
Debating is only used to gain recognition by people who are looking for fame
Dang that was a serious topic
I'll take 2 please
👵🏽👵 you can take grandma Jane and grandma Elizabeth. No refunds
@@Historyun😂😂😂
Great unapologetic presentation
Do you speak arabic? your right though, its not mentioned
Solution? Knowledge marriage and managing households and making marriage easy and erasing the taboo that has dominated the minds of contemporary Muslims for polygyny.
a personal thought..
it seems the term "consent" is being misinterpreted. Does islam say that marriage negates consent? That doesn't seem correct, marriage "unlocks" for one to have relations with the other. Consent still remaings. Women have many issues such as UTIs, periods, cramps and etc that make it impossible to just have sex at any given time because the husband "demands" it. Yes - withholding sex from men, especially due to the nature of their weakness in desires, is discouraged and thus it is grounds for divorce (to get out of the contract). but where does islam allow for men to be able grab their wives at any point and force themselves upon them? I have not seen this conduct anywhere. Similarly - and this is not applicable to anyone nowadays, but im sure that even back then female slaves would have to consent for sex. "buying" them just made them "allowable" for sex. in both cases, tending to the sexual needs is emphasized. but I don't see how one could conclude consent is not allowed.
Consent in general terms is given when a couple is wed and agree to the marriage, it doesn't mean that either spouse can then simply do as they please within the marriage, however general consent is not required when a slave is being married or taken as an intimate partner by their master.
AsSalamu 'alaykum, brother since you are masha'Allah very knowledgable and interested in history, I am surprised you accept the traditional Arabic history of the 'Adnaaniyyoon and Qahtaniyyoon when related to that is the notion that the true Arabs (العرب العاربة) come from Yemen when modern epigraphical research has shown that the people of Yemen didn't even speak Arabic until a few hundred years before the blessed Mab'ath of the Prophet(pbuh).
Whereas the so called عرب مستعربة of say Shaam, etc. have been shown to have been speaking Arabic for thousands of years.
So it's the literal opposite of what Arab historians and "scholars" of nasab have been saying since the days of Jahiliyyah. If being a true Arab is speaking the Arabic language then the people of Hijaz and Sham were Arabs for thousands of years before the people of Yemen.
Nor can Sahih al-Bukhari be fully relied upon (though it is useful) as a source of history considering it has multiple clear contradictions, and things that go against the Quran and proven history or science. This is not a call to reject hadiths but rather to have a more critical eye. It's no longer enough to just simply rely on the statements of medieval scholars as to the veracity of hearsay hadiths from narrators who died long before them when alhamdulillah we have many more scientific tools at our disposal.
And Allah(swt) knows best
Arabs had dialects and differences according to regions hence the Sham differs from Hejaz and Yemen
Spoken Arabic is through Yemen as Jurham settled in Hejaz where Ismael AS met and intermarried with them then the Adnani descendants swept to Najd and Tabuk to Levant and Mesopotamia
Written Arabic took centuries of evolution from Aramaic Syriac letters onwards hence your assumption that Levant is the original abode of the Arabs all the while the Yemeni Arab tribes existed way before Ibrahim AS like Judham Tayy Quda3a Azd Kalb basically the tribes that allied with Ummayeds later on whom as a coalition were known as Yaman compared to their opponents Qais !!!
Wa Aleikum Salam
Thank you for your time. I am familiar with the work of Ahmed al-Jallad in this field of study however it is inconclusive and still experimental. The age old oral traditions of the Arabs is far more established and widely evidenced.
Aspects of this discussion have been discussed in one of the counter narrative interviews posted on this channel
@@Historyun Barakallahu feekum
@@Historyun Brother, the Eariba Arabs are Ad, Thamud, and other Arabs whom God destroyed and no longer have any remnants. These are the original Arabs from whom Qahtan learned Arabic.
How can Qahtan be the original Arabs when everyone agrees that there were Arabs before them?
@@alal039those tribes are actually classified Arab Baa'idah (the distant and extinct Arabs) they are not the Aaribah.
I have been very respectful, but why you guys keep blocking my comments
Wait brother are we trying to just simply say islam allows rape ?
No. Rape carries capital punishment in Islam.
Okay, thank you, brother. I just let out a sigh of relief. I was getting a bit scared i dont like to have my faith be hurt it must mean i have weak imaan i should pray more inshallah.@Historyun
No worries ☺️
Also technically since u own slaves the owner can do whatever to them including the above act. At least thats how things have been historically.
@Historyun Brother, is not Islam applicable to all places and times with the execption of those ayah that were abrogated? Just because we exist in modern times doesn't mean this practice should no longer be done. Of course there are those who will exploit this ruling and transgress the limits but that doesn't make it act imperssible in and of itself. You're scoffing at it as if it is something abominable, yet it is sanctioned by Allah Aza Wa Jal himself! You speak as if it is abrogated. What is the justification for seemingly making unlawful what Allah made lawful?
32:00 wow 😂 to be honest i have always had a bad feeling about this guy you can smell the fake smile from a mile.
This also reminds of Baqarah 79
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا ۖ فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ
So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, 'This is from Allah,' in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
There is no need to be so overly apologetic, it makes us look disingenuous and deceptive in the long run.
@@Historyun
Its the cognitive dissonance Abozakaria ,in my opinion.
Its so easy to fall into,thats why i think brothers that don't fall for it in the West are of a different Material .
@@ABN_UA-camwe must learn to be leaders once again, not reactionary followers. Nobody respects the weak and impressionable in this world.
@@Historyun
You should make an episode about this.
"The reactionary Followers,a story of cognitive dissonance " 😃
Great episode 1 question 🙋♂️
Is it apart of our deen? If yes then is it like what u described? If no then can u clarify the correct way of this practice? Prophetically speaking. Thank you very much Juzzakhallahu khayran Barrakhallau feek
Barakallahu Feekum
These questions will be addressed in a future stream. It takes more time and material to answer adequately
Gosh, this was hard to watch
What a doomed state we are in
How do u know either the jewish or islamic sources are true given that sources are so obviously biased
It doesn't matter. What is being questioned is the logic of "a Concubine under a righteous man is better than a free disbelieving woman" theory.
@@Historyunit matters since u use those sources
Mamaleketeymanikum means what your oath posses not your hands. Misinterpretation of the quran is the biggest problem in the muslim world.
May Allah forgive Dr Omar Suleiman, i hope he is not intentionally misguided his audience.
Abide by the law's of the land in which you live your parents rain to foreign land looking for material wealth and a better life what give you the right to abused their children. No harm in teaching none Muslim about Islam and if they come to Islam then marry them. Give dawa out of love without racism.
Yes apologetics is horrid and quite obviously fitra and logic should overlap and create a sensible approach to living.
Did not mr Brown advocate for LGBT marriages?
I've been viewing his works from time to time in recent years, particularly on "Islam & Blackness," and on the slavery issue, and I can't recall where he defends lgbtq.
@@TheHouseeeee I'll try to find the reference, I am pretty sure I saw an interview with him where he made such statements-
I'm very disappointed at dr. Omar 😢. his whole dawah is compromised now because of this lying. If he lies in this one topic, what guarantees that he doesn't lie in another.
Isn’t this just Mutah?
This happened in Afghanistan during soviet war. These extremist wahabiz came to fought and married afghan girls and left them. Thank you to bring these issues.
Sad world
Lincoln *apist...our melanin women too
Omar’s
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Its funny 😂 if someone leaves Islam because of this concept exists in Islam 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 What is wrong with it? 😂😂😂 Unless we need excuses
Nothing wrong with it?Having no consensual relationship with slaves have nothing wrong in it?😂
Its not a laughing matter. Grow up
This is one of those knowledge of no benefit. Causing more doubts to these hostorical issues. Even prophet discourage sahabas to discuss the topic of Qadar. This may harm many muslims their faith bro. You have knowledge mashalah but i see u lack wisdom. Am sure soon the enemy of islam will start sharing your videos.
You should direct this advice to the Muslims online who proudly celebrate these topics and insist on boasting about practicing it again at any given chance.
If the topic has to be discussed in public, we are not going to let the loudest and most aggressive voices represent Islam and the Muslims.
@@Historyun Brother, is not Islam applicable to all places and times with the execption of those ayah that were abrogated? Just because we exist in modern times doesn't mean this practice should no longer be done. Of course there are those who will exploit this ruling and transgress the limits but that doesn't make it act imperssible. You're scoffing at it as if it is something abominable, yet it is sanctioned by Allah Aza Wa Jal himself! You speak as if it is abrogated. What is the justification for seemingly making unlawful what Allah made lawful?
@infoage265 Why was it abolished in Arabia? Was Sayyidna Umar scoffing at the wisdom of Allah?