Hunting Down an Electrical Fault on the Rear Windows of the Rolls Royce - PART 14
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- In episode 14 I attempt to find out why the rear electric windows are not working. Is the fault linked on both of them? What do both windows have in common? Maybe it is 2 separate faults. Let's find out.
My biggest challenge yet! Can I FIX a 1988 Rolls Royce Silver Spirit with too many faults to list, there is more wrong with it than right. Will I end up crying into my Connolly leather seats or will this beast live on.
This is the cheapest Rolls Royce in the UK so I wasn't expecting much, hopefully bit by bit with sheer determination and zero skill I will attempt to fix each fault one by one.
This is PART 14 of this series. Every part will be filmed, and I hope to discover the craftmanship that has gone into this 34 year old moving piece of art.
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Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things. I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things, so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series. Many thanks, Vince.
As an X Roll's chauffeur it is great fun watching u do your things on this lovely Car. May I suggest that you remove all the wood give to your Dad to clean and varnish so when you put every to back your wood be ready to be fitted. Keep up this looking forward to each episode. Be sad when it is finished.
Do you ever have too do any of this stuff yourself?.
Maybe vince will restore another car when he's done, who knows.
@@CannibalShadow we have about a year left with the Rolls, don’t worry :)
@@lawrencemanning Wasn't sure if I'd be interested this series but really enjoying it
Loving this series, but this might be my favourite so far. Always thought it would be impossible to trace a wiring fault in a car, but you did it Vince. Nice one! :)
Thanks Jon, this fix was very satisfying to track down👍
There are ways. When I was fitting my rear camera in my Toyota there was supposed to be wiring already there for it. I did try to trace it but it's pretty tricky. What I did was short out connectors in the plug and check for continuity at the other end. With the battery off of course.
@@Mymatevince it's wired so different to what I'm used to
I have a Silver Spirit two years older than yours but much better maintained now and in the past. Your tenacity in this episode particularly in dealing with rusty connections, maze of wires and dead ends ( including the dead end causing the failure) is a master clashing fault finding. I SO admire that you never give up. Lucky son of yours to see this great example of staying the course.
LOL - That explosion scared the c### out of me!!!! Spotted my name at the bottom of that door =D Thanks!!! Brilliant fault finding on this one!
😂 Sorry Chris!
Lol so been watching you for a about 8 months now, not sure why I'm watching you repair a car i suppose i just love your content, I'm just watching this for the second time as I did fall a sleep to this bit before so thought it was a coincidence when you did the big bang to wake me up, didn't work the first time but did the second thanks . keep up the good work
I only fell a sleep the first time due to watching you after the pub at night and not due to anything else :)
Haha, don't worry Jason. Honestly I fall asleep many times watching back these videos after the final edit. It can take 4 or 5 goes to get through the whole thing😂👍👍👍
@7:15 - This is an excellent time to upgrade speakers vs refoaming them. Crutchfield can help you identify a direct replacement speaker that will sound heaps better.
It hard to explain why, there is something extremely relaxing about your videos, and i like it.
Cheers.
I'm so impressed - I cannot stop watching your videos
That explosion scared the hell out of me. Thanks Vince lol
Love your videos
Well done Vince. Proof persistence is key!
Thanks Shawn, this one was so rewarding to find after the hunt👍
A very surreal/ nightmarish moment at ~22 mins as I was actually drifting off with some late night viewing😭😂
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So Ive been watching all your RR fixes. My Lexus I bought used in Aug 2021. Never had a working passenger side window. it rolled up and down from the Drivers master panel. But NOT from the passenger seat panel. So I knew the motor was fine. I then checked the fuses and relays. Which I spent 2 hours googling a diagram as my owners manuals had nothing. Each fuse had a code on it that made no sense. So I finally found one similar from a car like mine a few years older. All fuses and relays checked out fine. No issues. Last thing left is to pry off the switch panel, without tearing the surrounding gorgeous cream colored leather. Then I can check the plug connections and wires and clean the switch and inspect it for damage. So I went to the auto parts store and they wanted $11 for plastic pry tools for interior trim. No way. I went to the DOLLAR TREE store, and got a stainless steel rounded corners spatula with rounded handle and face for $1 USD. And I used the handle part narrow, and carefully pried up the panel. This was after searching youtube for videos how to take the panel out. I didnt want to break anything doing it. I found a video, that the back of panel showed 4 L shaped clips. Just push one side forward and up and it will come right out. No damage. And it did. So I flipped panel over and the door lock plug was connected but the window plug was not. Somebody had been in there before and disconnected it for some reason and never re connected it. I sprayed all contacts with electrical cleaner spray WD40, and reconnected it and tested it. All 100% working. EZ fix that took me 12 months to attempt..lol You inspired me Vince to get it over with and fix the dang thing. Now my passengers are no longer annoyed.
I'm sure you've figured this out eventually, but you don't need to pull a car's fuses to check them, they have small holes on each side of the contact and can be checked for continuity right there.
Ask Eric O from South Main about testing fuses like that.
Surely if you tested them in situ you'd also be testing for continuity across the connected circuit and not the fuse in isolation.. genuine question
Checking for voltage might be a better idea as the battery is in circuit. ?
He already showed this!
@@tonyweavers4292 I jumped the gun a bit with my reply 🙄
Saturday morning with Vince & A Lemsip - loverly
I was watching this after a long day at work and was falling asleep right at 21:41 when you put the wake up noise and message. It gave me quite the startle and confusion as to how you knew.
Wee done, you cracked it in the end.
Three things I'd suggest. Might be a good idea to have a good luck at the wiring diagram to see how it all works!
Second, get a decent 12volt test light, it's a very useful thing for fault finding on older cars, a multimeter can mislead.
Thirdly, get a bigger soldering iron, at least 75 Watt. Small irons are no good on biggish automotive wiring.
Looking forward to seeing what part you tackle next..
After long and hard work you get a result. Fantastic. It wotks. Again a great job! That line is really strange indeed.
re: front window going up wonky, based on audi's doing this, there'll be two (plastic) runners that the window sits in, one front one back, and you'll find one of them has cracked/disintegrated/lying in the bottom of the door channel, so now the window lifts, but goes wonky as it is being pushed unevenly
your patience amazes me!! If that had been me I'd have probably lost it after about 30 minutes and taken a hammer to the car. Well done to you and PLEASE keep it up
Oh man that's mess there is no point on the car without faults. How much patience you have. The glory of British car manufacturing of 70s, 80s and 90s. I love British car designs and story although if something goes wrong...
These repair vids are so satisfying to watch.
I was actually falling asleep while watching this and the sound woke me up instantly. I wasn't scared of the noise but more so the message saying wake up😅
Not sure if continuity testing is the best approach for faults in auto electrics. I found the best way of proceeding with fault diagnosis is firstly check fuses and if good check for power and ground AT THE FAULT. So if power windows are faulty check for 12v at the motor. If 12v present check ground. If 12v and ground OK it's probably a bad motor (assuming mechanical drive is OK). If there's no power at the motor chase the fault back all the way to the battery if necessary and you'll eventually find what's stopping the 12v from reaching the motor.
I like to troubleshoot something like this from the problem and work backward. For example, you expect the motor to move with voltage so check for that voltage. If you don't have it supply it and check for functionality. If it works go back to the next item/connection you expect voltage. Using resistance to check for faults makes it harder to find shorts to ground or broken wires. By supplying voltage where you expect it may also help you isolate the problem. Once it works you know the problem exists in that area. And always hit the wiring diagram first, when I worked on cars having a diagram was a rare luxury. I've done similar jobs many times and my back hurts just watching. Good job.
I’m so impressed with the camera angles you’re able to achieve in such a tight space. It must be a pain in the butt working around the camera. You’ve got to be so sore the day after theses dash board vids.
That scared the crap out of me. The sound effects that is!!!
I like your work ethic, your persistence. in Lancashire we would say toiled with it but you cracked it in the end. Well done...
This guy is my hero. Well done, Vince!
Hi Vince Just to let you know the Earth wire you used to fix the window problem is not designed for flexing behind a door hinge and may cause problems later. Love the videos
Good finding the broken wire Vince.
I was just relaxing, watching one of my Mate Vince videos, after a hard work day, surfing the web, and BOOOM that explosion sound scared the bejesus out of me. I almost dropped a load.
Wow vince you do amaze me how you fault find and get it sorted well done
Loving these instalments... Great content Vince
Well, Vince's videos have now been well and truly removed from the "videos to fall asleep to" playlist. Which is my most frequently used playlist.
Although I admit I do fall asleep during these, I always wake up and rewatch in an upright position.
Great video,your bringing him back to life with every episode.great how you fault find electrics.i must admit that i am lost with electrics.look forward to the next one.
I'm addicted to this series of videos. Keep pushing Vince!
I know this is an old video, but I am loving the series; to the point I have stayed up way to late to keep binge watching. Then someone adds a extra loud sound effect just as I am dozing off...
You're getting to know that car inside and out and what a car to pick! Had you chosen a MKII Ford Capri it wouldn't have had the same ring to it, nice but not as glamourous. You can't beat a Rolls, they're very forgiving and pay you back in oodles of fondness and admiration.
4:03 If you look at the top of the fuses there are 2 holes on the top.
Those holes are there on purpose so you can test the fuses without needing to remove it.
You may get the wrong reading if there is a short when testing between both holes. You can test for it by probing both sides to ground instead.
If one side beep and the other not you have a blow fuse and a short.
If both sides beep you have a ok fuse and a short.
If both sides don't beep to ground but they beep between themselves the fuse is good and there is no short.
You have to look at relays as the actual switch. The knob you push couldn't handle the power needed for power hungry applications. So the knob activates the relay. It's a switch for the switch.
I would only have one suggestion. You always trace wires and measure continuity. You would do better to measure voltage before continuity. When there is voltage present, you have completed two tests in one.
So, voltage first and only if no voltage present, continuity.
Nice video I was screaming remove the speaker Vince lol great job 😀
Those round pin connectors:- push out the red/orange/yellow plastic bar and the pins (or sockets) drop out, making them easier to clean or replace. Squeezing the lock wings damages the terminal.
21:41 LOL It did really did the job of making me jump from the chair.
Nice job vince well done great video keep it up.
Buy yourself some car wire with the different colour codes, using the wrong colours codes just makes it difficult in future. Also proper car wire is flexible, designed for multiple flexes. My Honda Jazz needed the drivers door wires renewed because the door was opened and shut so many times the wires were broken in multiple places between the door and the pillar. Remember lots of functions run through the drivers door as a "master" circuit - so problems elsewhere could be just broken wire(s) in the drivers door loom. The wire doesn't have to part to be faulty - just the cooper inside the plastic can part - it looks ok but isn't!
would love to see some "mini fixes" tea time fix episodes on the car.
Great video! For a second there, I had my doubts but you pulled through!!
Really love this series. Ive been doing same thing with my 85 spur. Found out windows have a couple that sticks and causes window to not operate.
Thank you Frank👍
Really Really enjoyed that one Vince, your videos are never too long for me. Loved the EXPLOSION !!!. It made my wife jump HAHA Brilliant. Roll on No 15.
I love seeing the rolls come on and it’s always a pleasure to watch these Vince
Your work is starting to pay off and you’ll have a perfect rolls Royce-a few more episodes to go yet!
Now whose 1st soldering Iron as a kid wasn't just like that 😆👍
We made it work, it got us hooked ⚡ Good memories for sure
It's so nice to see you fixing all the bugs little by little
Its amazing how you found the broken wire. Fantastic fix
Vince I usually spray some white vinegar on contacts that are corrected.
And brush with a small brush to get everything clean.
Then contact cleaning and then grease before closing to prevent future problems.
You can try if you want it works for me.
And I have to say it's a lot of fun watching this series thanks mate
I just shat myself from that bang, sorry vince I love these vids especially when sleeping
Great fix it video buddy I really liked this one results !
Very nice fix Vince of all UA-cam channels I like your the Best!! :) Nice one again
I woke with a start from a snooze to a giant red "WAKE UP" and began to wonder if Google was monitoring my vital signs. Thanks for that, Vince.
That explosion 💥 sound effect panicked me so badly.
It’s very relaxing and satisfying to watch your work, but that explosion with surround sound in the evening and the my volume turned up shocked me and … please don’t do that again please. :(, i like your videos they inspire me but I don’t want shellshock every time i watch.
wow and omg what a fault tracing, finding and fixing video tutorial :)
A tip. You can measure the fuses without taking them out. The two metal pads goes through the fuse.
You can fix anything Vince loving these videos
So glad you did not solder the wire where it had broken as it would have just broken again due to the solder making the flexible wire solid.
The conduit for the wires is not the door check strap, the door check strap is build into the bottom hinge, its the thing you spend so long freeing up due to corrosion as it was making a right noise.
Some spray silicon on the window seals should aid them moving up & down but with the battery voltage also below 12 volts that will not be helping their cause.
When doing electrical work I would just leave the charger connected to the battery whilst install in the vehicle or bypass the battery completely and connect the charger directly to the leads on the car.
This is if you have a proper battery charger & not one of those little overnight chargers that take days to charge a battery.
First check for voltage on both sides of the fuss than both sides of the switch than the motor. Doing this for any electrical issues will break down the circuit.
You need a good can of heavy duty electronics switch and control cleaner for those plugs and controls, also find a wiring diagram to see what goes to what and check for both voltage AND continuity all the way back from source to window motors or whatever youre trouble shooting.
Better to use a 12v tail bulb than a multimeter as electronic multimeters are far too sensitive. More reliable results from something that draws some current.
Congrats on the 800k subs, let's get you to that 1 million 👍🏾
Sitting here working while watching/listening and then a car bomb goes off. Scared the bejebus out of me Vince :D
Great fault finding, most would have given up way before you found it, for me when doing wiring in the car I find a gas soldering iron and heat shrink does the job, solder the 2 wires together, then heat shrink the joint.
So looking forward to seeing the end result of this series.
800k wow!!!! ive been a viewer for 5 years now. Keep up the good work
Brilliant fix there, so great that you've now sorted the electric rear windows.
Nice job again Vince. I think you fixed two different faults here one by cleaning joints fixing the passenger rear window. The other with the Yellow/white wire as that is the wire from the Fuse ONLY feeding the Driver side rear motor. I cannot see how that wire could ever feed the passenger rear motor unless someone is feeding both motors from one fuse (spliced wire somewhere) which is unlikely. To me it looks like from the drawings that the motors are (in the stop position) fed with +v on both ends of the motor. When you press a switch one side or the other of he motor is then connected to -ve so powering the motor in the given direction. The Isolation switch in the middle removes the -ve to all the rear switches. The diode board isn’t used at all in this with one diode only being used to power relay 20 if the car is Australian spec. If i have time I’m going to draw out some power paths.
Brass bristle brushes are best to clean those types of contacts with your favorite cleaner.. sand paper might be a little hard to get on the pegs and female connectors..
Brilliant work
I don’t know if anybody said it already🧐 but the number on the Rolls Royce manufacture plate is 24990. Maybe that’s why all the parts have number 4990 on it🤔. It is a joy to watch your working on my dream car. Keep up the good work💪🏻
Re-foam is a pretty easy job, I've done several vintage speakers. New rings and some superglue!
I had the exact same problem with door wiring on a friends RR some years ago with a few wires busted, I ended up making a patch harness to go between the inside of the car & the door using fine stranded wires as they are more flexible, soldered & shrunk sleeved both ends & all was good, a pain in the wotsit to do though!.
Very well deserved success. Great fault finding there Vince. (I'm so glad my Morris has 'keep fit' windows!) Many thanks for the video.
Another great bit of fault finding on the Roller Vince. Really enjoying this series and I’m sure it will keep you occupied for months yet. Cheers Graham
On high mileage Cars you can expect wires to break on hinge Points like the driver door and boot lid. A very Common fault. Nice job on finding it! If this continues like this the Rolls is going to turn into a new one😄👍 Btw that white line is probably the Silver Spirit returning to it's body 😄
21:36 sips drink, wait that's a yellow clip, on my car that's similar to air bag cabling "bang" got me mate nice one
21:40 I want to thank you for almost giving me a heart attack
When doing the gears on the drivers seat I think it would have paid you to do both sides of the same seat. Once you figured one bit of gearing was stiff it would have been better to do the other half as well, both sides are probably the same or nearly. My Jazz did over 120k miles and needed this kind of work all over, all the door wiring was suspect - speakers didn't work because the wires had snapped internally.
Another amazing episode for this wonderful restoration series. 👍
Well done, knew you would find fault in the end, great, can’t wait for the next one!
800k subscribers!!!!! Good job, Vince!!!
Been down this road before tracing wiring faults. Good you got it fixed. You said the car had 150,XXX miles? Hmm I would have thought more. Very good video as always!
very interesting. In Canada (north America) the master window switches at the driver door, the one furthest away from the driver is generally the drivers Window(in our case the left hand front window). In your video the front switch was for the rear left hand side window.
Gosh you're good aren't ya, really enjoying this series, I'm even syncing my celebratory air punching with yours when you fix it lol 😆 😄 😜
Got to say that is the worst fiddly and frustrating job. You really stuck with it a great result.
That's a satisfying fix
Well done Mr wins you did a very good job on the Rolls-Royce fixing the windows specially the electric windows on the Rolls-Royce car I will always be a very good subscriber to you you are awesome creator Masing thumbs up from Iceland that was a amazing content to listen to thank you very much
Really enjoying watching this series so glad you decided to do it we really like how you are steadily tackling one job at a time
Wiring diagram would come in handy!
When testing those fuse put a voltage through them to confirm they are working. We had a fuse on VW Polo that passed continuity but still was a failure.
Under the steering wheel compartment there is a part with two square holes and there are square plastic plugs available that push in there like raw plugs with a screw hole for that windscreen wiper control to screw to.
I love how heavy duty the switchery looks, not to mention the ridiculously big board with the tiny diodes. Still gremlins find their way.
This is amazing video with great works very well
I winced every time you opened the rear door and banged the it on that rain getter down pipe.