Westbrook is putting up godly stats and is breaking records that were meant to be in "unbreakable". And now he's winning games too, 31-7 when he gets a triple double. I used to be on the Harden Hype train but Westbrook convinced me last night. #MVP
@priincxsstierra-Catfish? She is I and I is her don't hate me because im pretty and like sports, i have an athletic dad and 3 athletic uncles and my momma ran track.. So you can put that catfish comment in your pipe and smoke it. BTW Westbrook is MVP!!!
@ priincxsstierra - I just was setting the record straight,you said i was cat fishing. Which i'm not, so a lie unchallenged, can become the truth. That's why i responded to you, Westbrook is MVP!
Westbrook is only breaking records this year with a "nets" type team. Without Westbrook OKC has 20 games and is the BOTTOM seed. Westbrook MVP by a long shot
how can you be the most VALUABLE player if your team is trash how valuable can you actually be, Westbrook by now if anyone watches basketball is forces these numbers he takes the most shots has a terrible shooting percentage, and makes most of his assists when the shot clock is in the bottom few seconds and he dishes it off for another player to shoot
His numbers aren't as great as Kobe's 06' season. Kobe didn't win the MVP....and if the same criteria which was largely used by the voting media to deny Kobe that MVP is used here, then Russ shouldn't win either. Remember the criteria? "The best player on the best team".....what happened to that? MVP voting is a joke
pfunk42 It can be argued who had a better season individually between 06' Kobe and Russell. The main difference was Kobe's team. That 06' squad was absolutely horrible but kobe somehow pulled them to the 6th seed. And you do have a point in "The best player on the best team" which ruins the true meaning of being an M.V.P
Westbrook should without a doubt win MVP. what he is doing is amazing. replace westbrook with any average point guard thunder would be a lottery team. it is MVP not most valuable team. harden has a much better team around him. Westbrook is more valuable and a better leader than james harden. Westbrook has a lot of young players around him that he is haveing to lead and teach. it is harder to lead a young group still learning the basics, because college is a lot different than NBA, than an older more experienced group. Hardens has a much older more experienced team to lead than westbrook.
harden is amazing im nkt saying he isnt im just say westbroom is better and more valueable. rockets would still make playoffs with an average point guard. they would not be in the 3rd seed but they would be in playoffs because of the amount of shooters they have. if westbrook had good 3 point shooters he could dish it out to when he drives they would be a lot better. if I had to choose a pg to build my team around it would be westbrook because I think he is a better leader. kd left he stepped up and made thunder a lot better than most thought they would be after kd left.
- *Trash Team argument retort* : Many players have been through that, in these kind of teams. No one has ever come close to averaging a triple double AND 30+ points AND get in the playoffs in a TRASH team. With 30+ points and 10+ rebounds OR 10+ assists he would be a legit candidate. He is doing *both* AND his team is 31+7 when he does it. AND he is the most exciting player this year to watch.
+orestisDisturbed No one's ever "come close" to doing that on a "trash team", that also got into the "playoffs" huh? Oh really? Is that right? I'll just throw just one person's name into this conversation: 1989 MJ: 32ppg 8apg 8rpg on 54. FG% * CHI Bulls were 47-35 that yr, and were STILL maturing into a solid playoff team. Now if that isn’t “close” to avg'n a triple double, then what is? It’s amazing to watch you millennial fanboys come on here, and boldly make such ardent claims about the game’s history, while being UTTERLY CLUELESS about it. And what makes comments like yours even more egregious, is that your generation is supposed to be “OF” the information age LOL!! Which means you have access to FAR MORE INFO than ANY GENERATION preceding you. It's scary to see one generation CONSISTENTLY DISPLAY such blatant ignorance...SMH
There are two different parts to an assist, the pass and the shot. To assist on a three, you can just dish it to your left or right and then your teammate can do a pull up jumper. To assist on a layup or dunk, you have to pass the ball through a body or 2 (unless its a fast break or ally oop) which in my opinion is more difficult than just throwing the ball to someone with no one in the way. Now, I believe making a three point shot is harder than making a layup...sooooo. You have an easier pass for a harder shot, OR a harder pass for an easier shot.
Let me put this to rest: harden is having an outstanding season and would win MVP any other year. But Russ is having a HISTORIC season and deserves it this year.
Russell Westbrook is the most disrespected player in NBA history. Russell Westbrook has almost as many triple doubles this season as Jordan and Lebron have had in their entire careers. You can't diminish averaging a triple double for an entire season after 60 years of nobody doing it because it doesn't fit your narrative about Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is the MVP. Shannon grow up, Lebron can't even average a triple double in the weak East. And finally, how is being a top 5 seed in the West not qualify as winning enough?
LeBron could easily average a triple double if he felt like it, LeBron's game is to make everyone else better. The dude already averages 26, 8 and 8 while not taking the regular season seriously.
Charles Smith Well no idiot wants to average a triple double. Has westbrick been to 6 finals won 3 titles won 4 mvps?? Idiot don't compare that brick to Lebrons greatness
Having better players doesn't mean you shouldn't win MVP. Duncan, Bron, Jordan, Magic, Bird all had some of the best teams of their era but still won several MVPs.
chris broussard is the man. hes always so coherent with expressing his thoughts and does so in a way without attacking the other guy. WESTBROOK FOR MVP. He has the spirit of jordan kobe AI magic. He is a goat.
Bryan Parnell he not hating its a debate show. someone has to make the argument for disagreement and agreement.. the same how Shannon backs Lebron and Skip disagrees. that's how they create their content.
Maybe he was just saying Shannon takes side for the sake of taking side and most of the time it just comes out as hating or in the case of Lebron fanboying, coz most of the time he doesn't really have a compelling argument on why he's on that side of the debate.
I was a James Harden guy for MVP but this guy keeps making me change my mind. This is no easy decision at all. This might have to be the year of the Co-MVP
i just dont understand these so called basketball fans, russ is putting up numbers no one thought was possible and to add to that its 2017 not 60s and yet people still find way to degrade Russell's like wtf
Deandre White Stop. Until westbrook can lead a team to the finals as the only star on the team and take a game off another team undefeated in their conference, just no
Its crazy how much there opinions have changed on him now. Now they hate on him and bash him almost every day on undisputed. Can't shoot, can play d, nobody wants him, just pay him 47 mil to stay home, and this and that. And I'm not saying they're wrong.
Rockets would still be a playoff team without Harden.. OKC would be a lottery pick without Russ. Individually, Westbrook clearly is having the better season. Just because Harden's team has more wins, doesn't mean he should be MVP.
Russell westbrook will be the MVP. James is doing great but.... MVP WESTBROOK = 50 WINS (43 WINS 8 GAMES LEFT) + 4TH OR 5TH SEAT + AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE + PASS OSCAR ROBINSON & MAKE HISTORY Come on people open your eyes. with KD 55 wins 15-16 season without KD 43 wins 8 games left to go. this man deserves it.
In regards to what type of assist is harder, a layup or dunk vs a 3-pointer or jump shot, I agree that a layup is harder cuz its usually in traffic. But to play devil's advocate, 3 pointers are made at a much lower percentage, so how does that work?
If they win then he's the MVP, if they lose then the triple-double is overrated, he's a ball hog and a stat padder. Just give the man his props he deserves the MVP this year.
No disrespect to Harden but I Think Westbrook is the mvp. His team will make and Westbrook is the main reason. To average a triple double for an entire season is special.
We still having this debate. It's been clear for months now that Russ should be the MVP. I haven't heard one legitimate argument why he shouldn't be MVP. Only thing I've heard was hate and disrespect towards Westbrook
C'mon Shannon, seriously? You can't talk about how the Rockets have less talent and then go on to name all the talented players they have (Ryan Anderson, Lou Williams, Eric Gordon) that are all probably equal to or better than the supporting cast Westbrook has. Who else on the Thunder is supporting Westbrook offensively? Oladipo is inconsistent. Adams has no shot outside the paint. Kanter has some offensive game, but nothing all that special. Roberson may as well not even be on the floor when they have the ball. There is not one player on this Thunder team that you can look at and say "This guy can handle the scoring load if Westbrook has an off night". If Westbrook does not get the MVP this year (and it should be unanimous) then the award is meaningless. Show me one single player more valuable to the success of their team than what Westbrook has done this year.
jtaddeo86 you named a bunch of journeymen none of those guys like they're all stars Harden just makes them better Westbrook doesn't make his team better
Journeymen? Lou Williams was Sixth Man of the Year in 2015, Ryan Anderson has been a very effective outside shooter his whole career and Eric Gordon has averaged double-digit points in every season he has been in the league (averaging over 16 a game this season). I wouldn't call those journeymen in the sense that they're scrubs. It doesn't really matter how many teams they've played for. Both Gordon and Lou Williams are averaging more points per game than Oladipo (OKC's 2nd leading scorer) and Anderson (13.5 ppg) isn't far behind Oladipo. Not really arguable that Harden has more talent on his team.
They got Kanter to complement KD and Westbrook because it added more of an offensive inside presence, and Kanter averaged 13.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg in his last full season before the trade. Now that KD bailed who else is an effective outside shooter? Not Adams. Not Roberson. Not Kanter. So you basically have an inconsistent Oladipo and who else shooting from outside? Teams can pack the paint because of a lack of an outside threat besides Westbrook. Harden has much better shooters, especially behind the three point line, in Gordon, Anderson and Williams.
Okay, but what does them being journeymen have to do with anything? Shaq played for six different teams, which makes him a journeyman, but that doesn't change the fact that he was one of the two most dominant players every to step on an NBA court. Just because players play for multiple teams does not change the fact that they're still crazy talented. They may not be franchise players, but they're still valuable. And Westbrook is averaging over 10 assists per game, meaning he does set his teammates up to get easier and better shots. Still doesn't change the fact that he's playing with less talent than Harden.
so Harden's 54 p, 17 a, 16 r is forgotten or what? And he did it in a time when the Knicks still had hopes for the playoffs. Orlando has nothing to fight for. That Harden's tripple double might easily be one of the best regular season performances ever.
Listeroman was his team down at the bottom of the 4th?..did he hit the game tying 3 to take it to OT? did he takeover OT to win after coming back in regulation to tye it up to take it to OT where his team won the game?
well Harden didn't let that happen because he played great from the beginning... I'm not saying Russel's performance wasn't great it was unbelievable but saying Harden's performance was worse because he didn't take a game to OT isn't really a great argument in my opinion.
that first guy that spoke on westbrook made my skin grown with perfect analyst on russell and all those that seem to find everything wrong with this guy season that he having
Westbrook is playing lights out his numbers are crazy but idk man I'm rocking with harden his game is more smooth it doesn't seem Forced in my opinion.
Bobby Brooks Do you ever wonder why ? Because he's Steve Nash on steroids on this system. Both Harden and Westbrook ain't winning no Championship so let's give it to the more valuable player
pie4life2012 put james harden on the thunder and enes kanter is avg 21+ a game. Harden will bring out the best in these players, he has done it thousands of times.
ESPN Preseason NBA Rank (5.) Russell Westbrook (8.) James Harden (36.) Steven Adams (48.) Victor Oladipo (80.) Enes Kanter (86.) Eric Gordon (89.) Ryan Anderson (92.) Clint Capela Nobody was saying Harden has a better team at the beginning of the season. People were thinking the Rockets weren't going to even make the playoffs and OKC was going to be the 4th or 5th seed. Westbrook might be putting up these incredible numbers, but he's doing it at the cost of his team's success and his teammates' success. It looks like Harden has more help, but in reality his play makes his teammates better whereas Westbrook has unequivocally made his teammates worse. What's better, taking a bunch of average teammates and making them great? or taking a bunch of ok teammates and making them above average (at best)? #HardenMVP #Hockeyassists
TheHknight99 what system is harden running? What system is WB running? Like they said it was the same system that was ran in Phoenix that made Nash a 2 time MVP.... WB on the other hand doesn't have that kind of system and especially that kind of 3 point shooting around him.... people forget that now in this league you NEED 3 point shooting, it is a must have. But OKC doesn't have any perimeter scorers that Russ can kick the ball to, therefore harden has more help than WB does....
0ne0fN0ne you make a good point but it's not like harden is having a Nash year hee literally 2 rebounds from his own triple double average himself and everyone thought even with the lose of KD the thunder would make the playoffs the rockets were projected to be 11th and their the 3rd best team in the league thanks to harden's production
TheHknight99 The Rockets have two guys that come off the bench that can drop 30pts at any given moment. They also have arguably the best 3pt shooters sans the Golden State Warriors. And that ESPN ranking means what exactly? That's only ESPN and it doesn't even account for the rest of the media that covers sports (although they are the biggest factors). Besides, it's not like the rockets' players (old and new) never shown the ability to play this good. Last season was a byproduct of turmoil from the coaching and locker room. The Rockets were not that bad; are we forgetting that majority of this roster was on the team that finished 2nd in the West 2yrs ago? Did that not happen? The point about the players thriving in D'Antoni's system is a very very valid one. It's extremely beneficial to guys that can shoot and space the floor. It is also better suited for a player as good as Harden. He's not the passer that Steve Nash was (look at his turnovers), but if you can pass the ball, you'll look great (not that he was never great before this system). It actually plays more to his strengths and give him more room to operate. Even if we took a player like Kobe (prime) and plugged him into this system, he'd easily average 8-9 assists. Kobe once averaged a career high of 6.9 assists in the triangle offense where the objective of the offense is to keep the ball free flowing or favors passes from the post (although the triangle can operate from any space on the court).
Tierre Jevon alright answer this question for me... when has the NBA ever have the MVP to player who's team probably won't win 50 games and probably will get eliminated in the first round depending on match up... if the thunder were in the 4 spot I wouldn't be making a case for James but he's taken this team which isn't much better then the thunder and put them in the 3rd seed in the hardest conference in the NBA
Why is Shannon steady stuck on this 5th seed argument? What's the difference between 6th and 5th bruh? Either way you don't have Home Court Advantage! So what's the point of using the 5th seed as a barometer? Plus you looked mad foolish tryna discredit Russ at the end when you were actually complimenting his ability even more without trying Lol
WestBrook should win it or have both Harden and Westbrook win it. I can't not believe how amazing this guy is. That team shouldn't even be in the 8th seed talent wise and he's gone beyond that. This dude the MVP and top 3 in the league. 1. LeBron, 2. Harden 3. WestBrook.
Black Koshinomi he's not only the best player on his team, he's the best player in the NBA right now. This season he's been better than every other player in the NBA NO ARGUMENT!
+Nets 4life even if he was a little slower he would have a greater impact with lebrons height And he already averaging a triple double now and plays with that aggressive mindset do you not think he would be better just 3 to 4 inches taller
No he wouldn't. Maybe he could but he doesn't play hard during the regular season, he wouldn't keep it up for 82 games, or however many games he ended up playing
The year after kd left okc and Westbrook won the mvp that season was by far the definition of mvp. Cause if he wasn't there that okc team isn't even close to a playoff spot
My problem with Chris Broussard saying that Westbrook is fine to neglect to contest his opponents shots 'because when he gets a tripe double they're 31-7' is this... Westbrook isn't just doing this in games where he has recorded a triple double. He is doing this in all games. Perhaps they'd have a better record if his rebound numbers were down but he played some perimeter defence. I totally get the fast break argument of having the ball in Westbrook's hands as quickly as possible, but how many points per game does that account for? It's a broken strategy because they're giving up as many as they are getting at the other end. A triple double is impressive because it's a statline that shows a remarkable level of overall ability. However, that statline is skewed because his rebound numbers aren't a reflection of his rebounding ability. They're a reflection of how effective OKC are at padding his rebounding stats. For balance, Harden's assist numbers are also skewed purely based on the fact that he gets an awful lot of assists from ridiculously basic passed to excellent 3-pointer shooters. Every player in the NBA can make those passes, but Houston shoot such volume from downtown with very good shooters. 11+ assists a game isn't necessarily a reflection of creative he is. Getting back to Westbrook, I also think his statistics are a lot to do with him not just being the number 1 option on the team, but more to do with the fact that he is the only option on the team. It's professional basketball and every player at NBA Level is top tier. Take Westbrook out of OKC and Oladipo probably becomes a 23/24ppg player. Even without Westbrook, they're going to still score 80-100 points most nights - somebody has to score the points. Look at how Saric has blown up since Joel Embiid has been out. Look at Love when he was in Minnesota. It's the nature of the game. Westbrook is taking a ridiculous amount of shots. He should be scoring a riduculous amount of points. That said, the consistency of his performances have to be commended and this isn't a knock on him. He's clearly had a great year. I'm just presenting the other side of the argument because his biggest fans seem to think that anybody with an alternative opinion on him is 'hating'. It's clearly a toss up between him and Harden for MVP. I go with Harden because i think he makes his team mates better and i think his way of playing is contributing to how well Houston have been playing, whereas i sometimes think Wesbrook's style might be counter productive to the overall capability of OKC as a team. He's still been great but i think we are a generation of stat obsessed fans and the Triple Double fixation is incorrectly giving him the edge. If Harden averaged 2 more rebounds but 1.4 less assists per game, he'd be a shoe in for MVP even though it would probably lead to his team being worse off - the 2 rebounds would probably be uncontested but the 1.4 assists could account of the team scoring 4-5 points per game less. And that's where the Westbrook argument falls down for me. He's the MVP of the stat chasing generation. He's not the MVP of the league.
Jonny Harrison That argument is dead to me because usually on a basketball team the center or PF will grab the board and pass to the PG (Westbrook) who should be near the 3 point line from playing perimeter D. if you wanna make the argument Russel runs faster than a passed ball i think you need to re-evaluate your stance.
Lawrence Merriman I'm on the same side of the argument as you. I think it would be better for him to run in transition and have Adams or Kanter grab the board and pass to Russ while he's on the move (maybe neither are reliable enough when it comes to quickly getting the ball to Russ) I was simply saying I understand the logic in doing what they do but I already stated that it's flawed, and even if you take the speed element out of the equation, I still don't think they'd rack up more points on the transition than they give up by Russ giving PG's near enough open jumpers. I just can't believe people are impressed by this tactic. People are valuing some padded uncontested rebound stats over playing actual defence (iirc, 8 of his rebounds pg are uncontested). He's basically playing real life basketball in the same way I play MyCareer mode on 2K.
Ferdinand Herrmann I rather have Championships then averaging a triple double, Brossard be naming all these like Jordan,Magic,Lebron etc but all of them have championships.
I'm with Chris 100%, people have been downplaying triple doubles all year because Westbrook has been an absolute monster and almost normalized triple doubles. You look back 5-10 years ago, triple doubles were few and far between and were viewed as an uncommon single game feat. If someone got a triple double you'd be like "wow he played super well that game". People are trying to rationalize this unheard of feat by making excuses for why he's able to get so many. It's honestly so frustrating to see the hate he's getting for being so great.
pie4life2012 That's The Same Thing That Happen To Harden. When Curry Won His First MVP. Harden Was Having The Better Year But The Warriors Were 1st And Harden's Team Was Second And Harden's Team Was Garbage
Westbrook for sure should win MVP he's been scoring triple doubles this whole year no doubt he shouldn't win MVP and he's putting up points too give the man what he deserves!👍🏼
Didn't harden already to this twice as well. This doesn't change anything, Harden still MVP. Winning is better than stats when it comes to being The Most Valuable.
Houston doesn't make the playoffs without Harden either, plus having better players doesn't mean you shouldn't win MVP. Bron, Jordan, Magic, Bird all had some of the best teams of their era but still won several MVPs.
Most overrated argument ever..winning should have maybe a little bit of a deciding factor but MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award. Lets stop acting like Houston doesn't have a better roster. I'm not saying they have a GS Warriors roster but its damn sure better than the Thunder. Secondly they hit it on the head, a lot of what is happening is Dantoni. Harden is PERFECT for that run and gun, no defense kind of system Dantoni loves to run...
What do you mean Houston doesn't have good players? Ariza, Nene, Gordon, Anderson, Lou and I could go on and on. They have a decent supporting cast who actually plays and competes.
Sure give Russel Westbrook the MVP. Its getting boring when all the talk is surrounded by triple doubles. But its not gonna mean anything when they get knocked out in the first round. Just gonna be a big waste.
In every discussion the OKC team gets talked down to the ground with having no talent. Whats wrong with you? Dirk Nowitzki is playing 19 seasons and has barely had the talent OKC has now. Besides 2 seasons with Tyson Chandler, he never played with a center of the potential of Adams for example. Give Dirk the Team Russ has and he would have made them a WCF candidate.
nah, but Dirk has played with Steve Nash, Antwan Jamison, Michael Finley, Tim Hardaway, Antoine Walker, and Nick Van Exel in the same damn season. Dirk has always had talented players around him. Even when they won the chip he had 6th man Jason Terry, Caron Butler, Jason Kidd (one of the greatest facilitators of all time, arguably the best rebounding guard in league history, and a great defender even at 38...check the 2011 playoff run), and Shawn Marion. Dirk has always had talent and he don't need to pair a top center next to a 7ft Superstar PF. If he would have gotten better at interior defense and rebounding, the Mavericks would have been even better and had more opportunities at the title Instead of the 2 they got.
Why do we give Westbrook so much handy cap ? Like Shannon said if he gets 4th seed he should get MVP which makes sense but now we're bring it down to 5th?? Smh if triple doubles didn't exist yall would not even consider this
To be fair Shannon early on said that he'd give Westbrook his vote if the Thunder got the 5th seed. Personally my magic number is 50 wins. Anything less than that and I think Harden deserves it. OKC could pull it off they just need to be more consistent and stop playing down to their opponents. They should have blown out the Magic.
bomberbcm Harden deserves it regardless because his stats come within the flow of the offense. Westbrook takes over the team & doesn't allow anybody else to shine. He's literally getting triple doubles to elevate his own status.
Melvin's Channel Okay but why should it matter how he gets his stats if his team wins. For OKC Westbrook is the offense bc most of his teammates are defense minded big men. He has to carry the offense. I just feel with the weight he has too carry on his team he needs to do more to win than Harden. So if he can bring them to the found seed a spot right under Harden that is enough for him to be MVP.
Ferdinand Herrmann These are facts bro. He's having a very good, but selfish year. Techinically his supporting cast is better than the one that he had last season. Russ & Donovan aren't using the role players correctly.
OGMillyMillz I was gonna disagree with you and write an argument but then I saw that you spelt it as "Thunders". I don't feel like wasting my time lmao
Who is NBA MVP this season?
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 obviously Ben Simmons
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Lavar BALL 🏀
Westbrook obviously
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Russel Westbrook if he's not I'm going bladada on someb
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Harden is the real MVP.
Westbrook is putting up godly stats and is breaking records that were meant to be in "unbreakable". And now he's winning games too, 31-7 when he gets a triple double. I used to be on the Harden Hype train but Westbrook convinced me last night. #MVP
lol. what rubbish
Ethan Charles nothing is meant to be "unbreakable"
JAM Nice come back buddy. I would say that if I had absolutely no substantive argument either. WB is the MVP but for many, many more reasons.
JAM Nice come back buddy, the kind I would expect from someone who has no argument. WB is the MVP!
Ethan Charles well rockets are 51 wins already and Harden's stats are better if you look at it not just by counting triple doubles.
Westbrook MVP!!!
StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! girl you fine af
+priincxsstierra lol, these cats be complimenting most likely men..
@priincxsstierra-Catfish? She is I and I is her don't hate me because im pretty and like sports, i have an athletic dad and 3 athletic uncles and my momma ran track.. So you can put that catfish comment in your pipe and smoke it. BTW Westbrook is MVP!!!
StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! haha I like that!!!
@ priincxsstierra - I just was setting the record straight,you said i was cat fishing. Which i'm not, so a lie unchallenged, can become the truth. That's why i responded to you, Westbrook is MVP!
Westbrook is only breaking records this year with a "nets" type team. Without Westbrook OKC has 20 games and is the BOTTOM seed. Westbrook MVP by a long shot
Joshua shaver Not really.
Joshua shaver I don't see okc winning 20 games bruh lls more like 10 no way they win. russ leaves and bench already pathetic sheesh lla
Joshua shaver you give them 20 without Russ? You're really nice
Melvin's Channel You kidding me?
without harden houston is out of the playoffs by a long shot.. your point?
is this the MVP race or the "best team record" race ??
Both teams of harden and Westbrook wouldn't make the playoffs without either of them but harden is leading his team to more wins.
how can you be the most VALUABLE player if your team is trash how valuable can you actually be, Westbrook by now if anyone watches basketball is forces these numbers he takes the most shots has a terrible shooting percentage, and makes most of his assists when the shot clock is in the bottom few seconds and he dishes it off for another player to shoot
Westbrook hands down much love for harden but w.b DESERVES solo mvp
Rafael Torres true
curtismyname Heard u already know
LaVar is MVP yall trippin
Kobe24Lakers mvp for hyping up his trash sons
Kobe24Lakers lmao
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Kobe24Lakers Lavar would get back to back unanimous MVPs and average a quadruple double
Kobe24Lakers sounds like something a bronsexual would say.
RUSS HAS TO WIN THE MVP, his numbers are astronomical
TGBuckets Colin Cowherd, Mark Cuban, and Stephen A Smith are all shook asf rn because Russell WESTBROOK proved last night he is the MVP
twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/846851133008097281
TGBuckets he should be mvp though but he also clearly statpads
His numbers aren't as great as Kobe's 06' season. Kobe didn't win the MVP....and if the same criteria which was largely used by the voting media to deny Kobe that MVP is used here, then Russ shouldn't win either. Remember the criteria? "The best player on the best team".....what happened to that? MVP voting is a joke
pfunk42 It can be argued who had a better season individually between 06' Kobe and Russell. The main difference was Kobe's team. That 06' squad was absolutely horrible but kobe somehow pulled them to the 6th seed. And you do have a point in "The best player on the best team" which ruins the true meaning of being an M.V.P
Westbrook should without a doubt win MVP. what he is doing is amazing. replace westbrook with any average point guard thunder would be a lottery team. it is MVP not most valuable team. harden has a much better team around him. Westbrook is more valuable and a better leader than james harden. Westbrook has a lot of young players around him that he is haveing to lead and teach. it is harder to lead a young group still learning the basics, because college is a lot different than NBA, than an older more experienced group. Hardens has a much older more experienced team to lead than westbrook.
Richard Collins That's because his usage rate is the highest in the league!
Replace Harden with any average point guard and the Rockets are a lottery team.
harden is amazing im nkt saying he isnt im just say westbroom is better and more valueable. rockets would still make playoffs with an average point guard. they would not be in the 3rd seed but they would be in playoffs because of the amount of shooters they have. if westbrook had good 3 point shooters he could dish it out to when he drives they would be a lot better. if I had to choose a pg to build my team around it would be westbrook because I think he is a better leader. kd left he stepped up and made thunder a lot better than most thought they would be after kd left.
+David no his coach has a pretty sustainable system bro
David of course no average point guard is leading their team to victories lls
- *Trash Team argument retort* :
Many players have been through that, in these kind of teams. No one has ever come close to averaging a triple double AND 30+ points AND get in the playoffs in a TRASH team.
With 30+ points and 10+ rebounds OR 10+ assists he would be a legit candidate. He is doing *both* AND his team is 31+7 when he does it. AND he is the most exciting player this year to watch.
jordan avg . 30 ,8 ,8. 88-89
lebron is avg 26 ,8, 9 now
harden 29, 8, 11 now
bird avg. 24, 10, 8. 89-90
wilt avg 24, 24, 9 67-68
+orestisDisturbed
No one's ever "come close" to doing that on a "trash team", that also got into the "playoffs" huh?
Oh really? Is that right?
I'll just throw just one person's name into this conversation:
1989 MJ: 32ppg 8apg 8rpg on 54. FG%
* CHI Bulls were 47-35 that yr, and were STILL maturing into a solid playoff team.
Now if that isn’t “close” to avg'n a triple double, then what is?
It’s amazing to watch you millennial fanboys come on here, and boldly make such ardent claims about the game’s history, while being UTTERLY CLUELESS about it. And what makes comments like yours even more egregious, is that your generation is supposed to be “OF” the information age LOL!!
Which means you have access to FAR MORE INFO than ANY GENERATION preceding you.
It's scary to see one generation CONSISTENTLY DISPLAY such blatant ignorance...SMH
blackadam06 edgy oldhead
+Lonzo Ball
More like an astute observer...
jordan Cole russ 31-10-10 and he doesn't have shooter, no bench
Westbrook MVP in my opinion
No need to say "in my opinion" if it's a fact
I like your nickname, appreciating both greats. I wish more people would.
***** yea man....ppl think if u love MJ u hv to hate LBJ or vice versa... its crazy...just accept it for what it is...
not to take away from Harden but Westbrook is the MVP
he doesn't deserve it over harden
WillSoTrill TV nice argument.. thank you for failing
WillSoTrill TV so you still have nothing smart to say so you throw childish insults. You failed again but hey stay mad
WillSoTrill TV still mad? Yeah it must be because you have 0 counter argument. Stay mad
WillSoTrill TV still mad throwing childish insults. It must suck not being able to defend your points because you know you are wrong. Stay mad kid
This year there have been over one hundred triple-doubles! You know what that says to me? Russ is making the whole damn league better!
Russ is MVP; Chris Broussard should have his own show eventually.
A 3 point shot is easier to assist but harder to make to get the assist, layups/dunks are harder to assist but easier to make the shot.
Liang Liang I'm not following
There are two different parts to an assist, the pass and the shot.
To assist on a three, you can just dish it to your left or right and then your teammate can do a pull up jumper. To assist on a layup or dunk, you have to pass the ball through a body or 2 (unless its a fast break or ally oop) which in my opinion is more difficult than just throwing the ball to someone with no one in the way. Now, I believe making a three point shot is harder than making a layup...sooooo.
You have an easier pass for a harder shot, OR a harder pass for an easier shot.
clint capela is catching 5 oops a game damn near. WTF are you talking about SMH
if you can read... "unless its a fast break or ally oop" smh
Good thing Houston takes an insane amount of threes so Harden can fill up that assist column
Let me put this to rest: harden is having an outstanding season and would win MVP any other year. But Russ is having a HISTORIC season and deserves it this year.
Russell Westbrook sealed the MVP. Period
The Orlando fans was Callin him the MVP!!! Crazy!!!
Orlando has nothing everyone is their MVP
ralph finnie I went to Orlando for a vacation and the people there were chanting MVP at me.
rushking20 #TerribleTowels Real recognize real
just give westbrook the mvp.
thunder lost durant and they are still winning in the WEST.
im not even a westbrook Fan but he deserves it.
Russell Westbrook is the most disrespected player in NBA history. Russell Westbrook has almost as many triple doubles this season as Jordan and Lebron have had in their entire careers. You can't diminish averaging a triple double for an entire season after 60 years of nobody doing it because it doesn't fit your narrative about Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is the MVP. Shannon grow up, Lebron can't even average a triple double in the weak East. And finally, how is being a top 5 seed in the West not qualify as winning enough?
Charles Smith I'm pretty sure Lebron could average one but that wouldn't do his team any good tbh
It was I, Dio!! who piped your girl typical LeBron excuse I can but I don't try but I want to be called the goat
truth
LeBron could easily average a triple double if he felt like it, LeBron's game is to make everyone else better. The dude already averages 26, 8 and 8 while not taking the regular season seriously.
Charles Smith Well no idiot wants to average a triple double. Has westbrick been to 6 finals won 3 titles won 4 mvps?? Idiot don't compare that brick to Lebrons greatness
Having better players doesn't mean you shouldn't win MVP. Duncan, Bron, Jordan, Magic, Bird all had some of the best teams of their era but still won several MVPs.
Thank you Chris
Westbrook for MVP!!! 💪🏼
my favorite player in this current NBA era for the last few seasons..he is ruthless
Russell "The Savage" Westbrook is NBA MVP hands down..
what NBA all star PG or SG has averaged a triple double?!
come on man!!
chris broussard is the man. hes always so coherent with expressing his thoughts and does so in a way without attacking the other guy. WESTBROOK FOR MVP. He has the spirit of jordan kobe AI magic. He is a goat.
Lmfao shannon sharpe perspective was so off lmao Wtf is this dude talking about it pisses me off
Hi My Name Is Broussard be dickriding tf outta Russ
Timothy Julien no he likes russ he just wants LeBron win mvp
He don't know basketball
'obviously he's not playing with pippen or rodman' WAIT WHAT? DID SKIP JUST GIVE MJS TEAMMATES CREDIT?!
Why is Shannon hating on Westbrook so much? I mean like damn.
Bryan Parnell he not hating its a debate show. someone has to make the argument for disagreement and agreement.. the same how Shannon backs Lebron and Skip disagrees. that's how they create their content.
Because it's a debate show and each man has to take a side? Is it really that hard to figure out?
Enoch K. You live under a rock
Doesn't even make sense
Maybe he was just saying Shannon takes side for the sake of taking side and most of the time it just comes out as hating or in the case of Lebron fanboying, coz most of the time he doesn't really have a compelling argument on why he's on that side of the debate.
Damn right he did
I was a James Harden guy for MVP but this guy keeps making me change my mind. This is no easy decision at all. This might have to be the year of the Co-MVP
and last year Okc was said to have the deepest team in the Nba, KD left, but the other pieces are still there, Roberson Adams kanter oladipo etc
***** oladipo kanter and Adams are trash??
It's hard to argue against Westbrook for Mvp now.
i just dont understand these so called basketball fans, russ is putting up numbers no one thought was possible and to add to that its 2017 not 60s and yet people still find way to degrade Russell's like wtf
It hurts me to my heart to said it but i think Russell Westbrook might be better than Allen Inverson
Deandre White u lost your damn mind Iverson was a better defender
Iverson could defend Mario Chalmers
Deandre White no way dude no way
Deandre White No.
Deandre White Stop. Until westbrook can lead a team to the finals as the only star on the team and take a game off another team undefeated in their conference, just no
Its crazy how much there opinions have changed on him now. Now they hate on him and bash him almost every day on undisputed. Can't shoot, can play d, nobody wants him, just pay him 47 mil to stay home, and this and that. And I'm not saying they're wrong.
if chris broussard is willing to give russ the mvp than everyone but colin cowherd should also
COLON COWARD and DARK CUBAN don't have votes! That's why they crave attention.
Thinking about it I am convinced Westbrook deserves mvp. I have been saying harden all season, but can't anymore.
Westbrook mvp no doubt
Rockets would still be a playoff team without Harden.. OKC would be a lottery pick without Russ. Individually, Westbrook clearly is having the better season. Just because Harden's team has more wins, doesn't mean he should be MVP.
Amen Chris Broussard
Russell westbrook will be the MVP. James is doing great but....
MVP WESTBROOK = 50 WINS (43 WINS 8 GAMES LEFT) + 4TH OR 5TH SEAT + AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE + PASS OSCAR ROBINSON & MAKE HISTORY
Come on people open your eyes. with KD 55 wins 15-16 season without KD 43 wins 8 games left to go. this man deserves it.
In regards to what type of assist is harder, a layup or dunk vs a 3-pointer or jump shot, I agree that a layup is harder cuz its usually in traffic. But to play devil's advocate, 3 pointers are made at a much lower percentage, so how does that work?
If they win then he's the MVP, if they lose then the triple-double is overrated, he's a ball hog and a stat padder. Just give the man his props he deserves the MVP this year.
mvp is a stat award now
No disrespect to Harden but I Think Westbrook is the mvp. His team will make and Westbrook is the main reason. To average a triple double for an entire season is special.
Westbrook by far. And that shows how great this year's race has been
His season more impressive then currys last year
Got to give it to Russell !!!!
We still having this debate. It's been clear for months now that Russ should be the MVP. I haven't heard one legitimate argument why he shouldn't be MVP. Only thing I've heard was hate and disrespect towards Westbrook
Yep! Just like they used to do Kobe.
He got it. Making better decisions in the fourth, and pacing himself better. His play is resulting in wins.
Russ haters be like: "the record isn't fair, they went into overtime so he had more time to score"
Westbrook is a beast!!
C'mon Shannon, seriously? You can't talk about how the Rockets have less talent and then go on to name all the talented players they have (Ryan Anderson, Lou Williams, Eric Gordon) that are all probably equal to or better than the supporting cast Westbrook has. Who else on the Thunder is supporting Westbrook offensively? Oladipo is inconsistent. Adams has no shot outside the paint. Kanter has some offensive game, but nothing all that special. Roberson may as well not even be on the floor when they have the ball. There is not one player on this Thunder team that you can look at and say "This guy can handle the scoring load if Westbrook has an off night". If Westbrook does not get the MVP this year (and it should be unanimous) then the award is meaningless. Show me one single player more valuable to the success of their team than what Westbrook has done this year.
jtaddeo86 you named a bunch of journeymen none of those guys like they're all stars Harden just makes them better Westbrook doesn't make his team better
Daz exactly dude got lottery picks on his team but he's somehow surrounded by d leaguers
Journeymen? Lou Williams was Sixth Man of the Year in 2015, Ryan Anderson has been a very effective outside shooter his whole career and Eric Gordon has averaged double-digit points in every season he has been in the league (averaging over 16 a game this season). I wouldn't call those journeymen in the sense that they're scrubs. It doesn't really matter how many teams they've played for. Both Gordon and Lou Williams are averaging more points per game than Oladipo (OKC's 2nd leading scorer) and Anderson (13.5 ppg) isn't far behind Oladipo. Not really arguable that Harden has more talent on his team.
They got Kanter to complement KD and Westbrook because it added more of an offensive inside presence, and Kanter averaged 13.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg in his last full season before the trade. Now that KD bailed who else is an effective outside shooter? Not Adams. Not Roberson. Not Kanter. So you basically have an inconsistent Oladipo and who else shooting from outside? Teams can pack the paint because of a lack of an outside threat besides Westbrook. Harden has much better shooters, especially behind the three point line, in Gordon, Anderson and Williams.
Okay, but what does them being journeymen have to do with anything? Shaq played for six different teams, which makes him a journeyman, but that doesn't change the fact that he was one of the two most dominant players every to step on an NBA court. Just because players play for multiple teams does not change the fact that they're still crazy talented. They may not be franchise players, but they're still valuable.
And Westbrook is averaging over 10 assists per game, meaning he does set his teammates up to get easier and better shots. Still doesn't change the fact that he's playing with less talent than Harden.
Russ and Kawhi Co-MVP!
much deserved!
so Harden's 54 p, 17 a, 16 r is forgotten or what? And he did it in a time when the Knicks still had hopes for the playoffs. Orlando has nothing to fight for. That Harden's tripple double might easily be one of the best regular season performances ever.
Listeroman was his team down at the bottom of the 4th?..did he hit the game tying 3 to take it to OT? did he takeover OT to win after coming back in regulation to tye it up to take it to OT where his team won the game?
Listeroman I'm asking?
well Harden didn't let that happen because he played great from the beginning... I'm not saying Russel's performance wasn't great it was unbelievable but saying Harden's performance was worse because he didn't take a game to OT isn't really a great argument in my opinion.
Two l's in his name not one...Lol!!!
Let's just be real n frank...nobody is checking for Harden like they are Westbrook n that's just what it boils down too fan or no fan...I'm out
PREACH CHRIS!! PREACH!!
James harden has had 2 50 point triple double this season and was 4 points off 57 there making it a big deal for no reason
This is Westbrook's second 50+ post triple double as well.
Craig Bloggs exactly why are they making a big deal like he's the only one that's done it
Because Westbrook got more points, I would guess. When Harden did it, it got news, so why not give it news when Westbrook did it?
tyreese toomer 4real, now watch if Harden has a amazing game they're going to say he's the MVP
tyreese toomer he also had 17 and 15
that first guy that spoke on westbrook made my skin grown with perfect analyst on russell and all those that seem to find everything wrong with this guy season that he having
Westbrook is playing lights out his numbers are crazy but idk man I'm rocking with harden his game is more smooth it doesn't seem Forced in my opinion.
Bobby Brooks Do you ever wonder why ? Because he's Steve Nash on steroids on this system. Both Harden and Westbrook ain't winning no Championship so let's give it to the more valuable player
You don't have to force anything when 2 of your starters can score 20-25 points any given night and you have a bench player who can get you 30.
pie4life2012 put james harden on the thunder and enes kanter is avg 21+ a game. Harden will bring out the best in these players, he has done it thousands of times.
YoungDrizzle215 Kanter would average that with Westbrook if he was a starter but he's not.
Harden game is always forced, check out his games against top teams mainly the Warriors
Good work Shannon.
Russel could drop 82pts 10ast 10reb and they still would consider James Harden for MVP
Russell is the Goat wait till he start getting rings he wont stop. The Jordan Effect
Shannon is oblivious to the mechanics of a basketball player. All he knows is statistics
lmao Sharpe at the end of that. He thought he asked a question that was going to go his way, and everyone went the opposite. That was amazing
ESPN Preseason NBA Rank
(5.) Russell Westbrook
(8.) James Harden
(36.) Steven Adams
(48.) Victor Oladipo
(80.) Enes Kanter
(86.) Eric Gordon
(89.) Ryan Anderson
(92.) Clint Capela
Nobody was saying Harden has a better team at the beginning of the season. People were thinking the Rockets weren't going to even make the playoffs and OKC was going to be the 4th or 5th seed. Westbrook might be putting up these incredible numbers, but he's doing it at the cost of his team's success and his teammates' success. It looks like Harden has more help, but in reality his play makes his teammates better whereas Westbrook has unequivocally made his teammates worse. What's better, taking a bunch of average teammates and making them great? or taking a bunch of ok teammates and making them above average (at best)? #HardenMVP #Hockeyassists
TheHknight99 what system is harden running? What system is WB running? Like they said it was the same system that was ran in Phoenix that made Nash a 2 time MVP.... WB on the other hand doesn't have that kind of system and especially that kind of 3 point shooting around him.... people forget that now in this league you NEED 3 point shooting, it is a must have. But OKC doesn't have any perimeter scorers that Russ can kick the ball to, therefore harden has more help than WB does....
0ne0fN0ne you make a good point but it's not like harden is having a Nash year hee literally 2 rebounds from his own triple double average himself and everyone thought even with the lose of KD the thunder would make the playoffs the rockets were projected to be 11th and their the 3rd best team in the league thanks to harden's production
TheHknight99 The Rockets have two guys that come off the bench that can drop 30pts at any given moment. They also have arguably the best 3pt shooters sans the Golden State Warriors.
And that ESPN ranking means what exactly? That's only ESPN and it doesn't even account for the rest of the media that covers sports (although they are the biggest factors). Besides, it's not like the rockets' players (old and new) never shown the ability to play this good. Last season was a byproduct of turmoil from the coaching and locker room. The Rockets were not that bad; are we forgetting that majority of this roster was on the team that finished 2nd in the West 2yrs ago? Did that not happen?
The point about the players thriving in D'Antoni's system is a very very valid one. It's extremely beneficial to guys that can shoot and space the floor. It is also better suited for a player as good as Harden. He's not the passer that Steve Nash was (look at his turnovers), but if you can pass the ball, you'll look great (not that he was never great before this system). It actually plays more to his strengths and give him more room to operate. Even if we took a player like Kobe (prime) and plugged him into this system, he'd easily average 8-9 assists. Kobe once averaged a career high of 6.9 assists in the triangle offense where the objective of the offense is to keep the ball free flowing or favors passes from the post (although the triangle can operate from any space on the court).
Branden Benton harden would have to get more than 200 rebounds to average 10 res
Tierre Jevon alright answer this question for me... when has the NBA ever have the MVP to player who's team probably won't win 50 games and probably will get eliminated in the first round depending on match up... if the thunder were in the 4 spot I wouldn't be making a case for James but he's taken this team which isn't much better then the thunder and put them in the 3rd seed in the hardest conference in the NBA
I like this show better than first take now. it's more calm, and everyone let's eachother say their point
Why is Shannon steady stuck on this 5th seed argument? What's the difference between 6th and 5th bruh? Either way you don't have Home Court Advantage! So what's the point of using the 5th seed as a barometer? Plus you looked mad foolish tryna discredit Russ at the end when you were actually complimenting his ability even more without trying Lol
WestBrook should win it or have both Harden and Westbrook win it. I can't not believe how amazing this guy is. That team shouldn't even be in the 8th seed talent wise and he's gone beyond that. This dude the MVP and top 3 in the league. 1. LeBron, 2. Harden 3. WestBrook.
Westbook is the MVP because he's the only good player on his team .
Literary that's the only argument here
So Giannis and Paul George is MVP as well by your logic
What Paul George doesn't have the same record in the weaker east and antetoukompo also has Middleton and possible rookie of the year Brogden just stop
and he's averaging more points and rebounds..
Black Koshinomi he's not only the best player on his team, he's the best player in the NBA right now. This season he's been better than every other player in the NBA NO ARGUMENT!
He's not the only good player, he's just the only star. Oladipo, Kanter, and Adams are all good role players.
My boy Javale Mcgee !
i have never clicked faster on a video
N_oct ive seen this comment 17 times today
Chris Broussard teaching Shannon Sharpe some knowledge on Basketball.
I am convinced that LeBron would average a tripple double in Oklahoma as well....
Westbrook would be unstoppable if he was lebrons height
Then leave midway through the season to REST his nerves.
tyler wilson Yea but then he would be a little slower.
+Nets 4life even if he was a little slower he would have a greater impact with lebrons height
And he already averaging a triple double now and plays with that aggressive mindset do you not think he would be better just 3 to 4 inches taller
No he wouldn't. Maybe he could but he doesn't play hard during the regular season, he wouldn't keep it up for 82 games, or however many games he ended up playing
The year after kd left okc and Westbrook won the mvp that season was by far the definition of mvp. Cause if he wasn't there that okc team isn't even close to a playoff spot
My problem with Chris Broussard saying that Westbrook is fine to neglect to contest his opponents shots 'because when he gets a tripe double they're 31-7' is this...
Westbrook isn't just doing this in games where he has recorded a triple double. He is doing this in all games. Perhaps they'd have a better record if his rebound numbers were down but he played some perimeter defence. I totally get the fast break argument of having the ball in Westbrook's hands as quickly as possible, but how many points per game does that account for? It's a broken strategy because they're giving up as many as they are getting at the other end. A triple double is impressive because it's a statline that shows a remarkable level of overall ability. However, that statline is skewed because his rebound numbers aren't a reflection of his rebounding ability. They're a reflection of how effective OKC are at padding his rebounding stats. For balance, Harden's assist numbers are also skewed purely based on the fact that he gets an awful lot of assists from ridiculously basic passed to excellent 3-pointer shooters. Every player in the NBA can make those passes, but Houston shoot such volume from downtown with very good shooters. 11+ assists a game isn't necessarily a reflection of creative he is.
Getting back to Westbrook, I also think his statistics are a lot to do with him not just being the number 1 option on the team, but more to do with the fact that he is the only option on the team. It's professional basketball and every player at NBA Level is top tier. Take Westbrook out of OKC and Oladipo probably becomes a 23/24ppg player. Even without Westbrook, they're going to still score 80-100 points most nights - somebody has to score the points. Look at how Saric has blown up since Joel Embiid has been out. Look at Love when he was in Minnesota. It's the nature of the game. Westbrook is taking a ridiculous amount of shots. He should be scoring a riduculous amount of points.
That said, the consistency of his performances have to be commended and this isn't a knock on him. He's clearly had a great year. I'm just presenting the other side of the argument because his biggest fans seem to think that anybody with an alternative opinion on him is 'hating'. It's clearly a toss up between him and Harden for MVP. I go with Harden because i think he makes his team mates better and i think his way of playing is contributing to how well Houston have been playing, whereas i sometimes think Wesbrook's style might be counter productive to the overall capability of OKC as a team. He's still been great but i think we are a generation of stat obsessed fans and the Triple Double fixation is incorrectly giving him the edge.
If Harden averaged 2 more rebounds but 1.4 less assists per game, he'd be a shoe in for MVP even though it would probably lead to his team being worse off - the 2 rebounds would probably be uncontested but the 1.4 assists could account of the team scoring 4-5 points per game less.
And that's where the Westbrook argument falls down for me. He's the MVP of the stat chasing generation. He's not the MVP of the league.
Jonny Harrison That argument is dead to me because usually on a basketball team the center or PF will grab the board and pass to the PG (Westbrook) who should be near the 3 point line from playing perimeter D. if you wanna make the argument Russel runs faster than a passed ball i think you need to re-evaluate your stance.
Lawrence Merriman I'm on the same side of the argument as you. I think it would be better for him to run in transition and have Adams or Kanter grab the board and pass to Russ while he's on the move (maybe neither are reliable enough when it comes to quickly getting the ball to Russ) I was simply saying I understand the logic in doing what they do but I already stated that it's flawed, and even if you take the speed element out of the equation, I still don't think they'd rack up more points on the transition than they give up by Russ giving PG's near enough open jumpers. I just can't believe people are impressed by this tactic. People are valuing some padded uncontested rebound stats over playing actual defence (iirc, 8 of his rebounds pg are uncontested). He's basically playing real life basketball in the same way I play MyCareer mode on 2K.
Broussard is always schooling Shannon about basketball love when he comes on the show
Westbrook got the Kendrick Lamar verse, MVP. Easy. Clinched.
no doubt!!!
I rather have 55 wins then 2 rebounds more and 2 points
I would rather have 16 wins in playoffs than 55 wins in regular season
Ruslan Valer FAXXX! Preach They Dont Think
i wouldnt, in 15 years will you remember russell's triple-double season, or james harden winning 55 games?
with Westbrook's team that's impossible the fact that he's even in the playoffs bouta take the 5th seed blows my mind
Ferdinand Herrmann I rather have Championships then averaging a triple double, Brossard be naming all these like Jordan,Magic,Lebron etc but all of them have championships.
I'm with Chris 100%, people have been downplaying triple doubles all year because Westbrook has been an absolute monster and almost normalized triple doubles. You look back 5-10 years ago, triple doubles were few and far between and were viewed as an uncommon single game feat. If someone got a triple double you'd be like "wow he played super well that game". People are trying to rationalize this unheard of feat by making excuses for why he's able to get so many. It's honestly so frustrating to see the hate he's getting for being so great.
We all know he's not getting it because of where he is. he should get it but harden does to.
Where is he at?? Hes not barely in the 8th seed hes winning enough to get Mvp fax
Well said, I've hated all year how people say he's not winning. He hasn't been under .500 all season. That is winning
pie4life2012 That's The Same Thing That Happen To Harden. When Curry Won His First MVP. Harden Was Having The Better Year But The Warriors Were 1st And Harden's Team Was Second And Harden's Team Was Garbage
Harden had dwight so i wouldnt call them garbage
SPEAK IT !!! FACTS
Westbrook for sure should win MVP he's been scoring triple doubles this whole year no doubt he shouldn't win MVP and he's putting up points too give the man what he deserves!👍🏼
next James Harden will get a 60 pts triple double with a 40 point comeback in the las 5 minutes of the 4th quarter vs the Trail Blazers.
Westbrook. playing on another level with an ok team
Didn't harden already to this twice as well. This doesn't change anything, Harden still MVP. Winning is better than stats when it comes to being The Most Valuable.
Serious question, do you think okc would have still clinched playoffs without westbrook?
RJPointer you hate like harden won 20 more games. and harden has sweet lou and eric gordon
Houston doesn't make the playoffs without Harden either, plus having better players doesn't mean you shouldn't win MVP. Bron, Jordan, Magic, Bird all had some of the best teams of their era but still won several MVPs.
Most overrated argument ever..winning should have maybe a little bit of a deciding factor but MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award. Lets stop acting like Houston doesn't have a better roster. I'm not saying they have a GS Warriors roster but its damn sure better than the Thunder. Secondly they hit it on the head, a lot of what is happening is Dantoni. Harden is PERFECT for that run and gun, no defense kind of system Dantoni loves to run...
RJPointer well sorry bruv Westbrook is mvp
What do you mean Houston doesn't have good players? Ariza, Nene, Gordon, Anderson, Lou and I could go on and on. They have a decent supporting cast who actually plays and competes.
Sure give Russel Westbrook the MVP. Its getting boring when all the talk is surrounded by triple doubles. But its not gonna mean anything when they get knocked out in the first round. Just gonna be a big waste.
Russell has played like a prime MJ This season jheez!
Jeez comebacks against Mavs and Magic. Foh
Artur Vasiljev Didn't the Warriors made a comeback against the 76ers lmao
Joseph Lloyd yeah the 0-4 record shows
Artur Vasiljev yeah because curry is the only player on the warriors.
Jeez comebacks vs the 76ers at home. FOH
Says the person who's team gave up a 3-1 comeback in the Funals with homecourt advantage
Russell MVP Historical Season 💪💯
In every discussion the OKC team gets talked down to the ground with having no talent. Whats wrong with you? Dirk Nowitzki is playing 19 seasons and has barely had the talent OKC has now. Besides 2 seasons with Tyson Chandler, he never played with a center of the potential of Adams for example. Give Dirk the Team Russ has and he would have made them a WCF candidate.
cetinHo87 dirk had steve nash
Russ had Ibaka, Durant, Harden, Jackson and numerous serviceable role players. Whats your point?
nah, but Dirk has played with Steve Nash, Antwan Jamison, Michael Finley, Tim Hardaway, Antoine Walker, and Nick Van Exel in the same damn season. Dirk has always had talented players around him. Even when they won the chip he had 6th man Jason Terry, Caron Butler, Jason Kidd (one of the greatest facilitators of all time, arguably the best rebounding guard in league history, and a great defender even at 38...check the 2011 playoff run), and Shawn Marion.
Dirk has always had talent and he don't need to pair a top center next to a 7ft Superstar PF. If he would have gotten better at interior defense and rebounding, the Mavericks would have been even better and had more opportunities at the title Instead of the 2 they got.
cetinHo87 terrible argument dirk had a 67 win team in 07 and lost in the first round
This really becoming time for a co-mvp
Lonzo is going to average more triple doubles than Westbrook and Robinson combined!- Lavar Ball
Westbrook is the MVP
Why do we give Westbrook so much handy cap ? Like Shannon said if he gets 4th seed he should get MVP which makes sense but now we're bring it down to 5th?? Smh if triple doubles didn't exist yall would not even consider this
To be fair Shannon early on said that he'd give Westbrook his vote if the Thunder got the 5th seed. Personally my magic number is 50 wins. Anything less than that and I think Harden deserves it. OKC could pull it off they just need to be more consistent and stop playing down to their opponents. They should have blown out the Magic.
Commandosoap777 but, they do...
bomberbcm Harden deserves it regardless because his stats come within the flow of the offense. Westbrook takes over the team & doesn't allow anybody else to shine. He's literally getting triple doubles to elevate his own status.
Melvin's Channel Okay but why should it matter how he gets his stats if his team wins. For OKC Westbrook is the offense bc most of his teammates are defense minded big men. He has to carry the offense. I just feel with the weight he has too carry on his team he needs to do more to win than Harden. So if he can bring them to the found seed a spot right under Harden that is enough for him to be MVP.
shannon said 5th for mvp 4th for unanimous
MVP
If Westbrook could maximize his mates not only himself they would easily be the 3th seed
Ferdinand Herrmann These are facts bro. He's having a very good, but selfish year. Techinically his supporting cast is better than the one that he had last season. Russ & Donovan aren't using the role players correctly.
you just said 3th...opinion no longer matters
Ferdinand Herrmann they are maximized. I'm amazed that he even averages double digit assists.
RapCityMusic Lmao!!!!
It's hard to maximize trash
james harden is mvp
Westbrook*
Its a slight debate at the moment but If OKC gets 50 wins regardless of playoff seeding Russ deserves the MVP hands down
The Thunders suck.
OGMillyMillz Thunder. They don't have a (s)
OGMillyMillz and Russ is carrying them
OGMillMillz Thunder is singular NOT plural in this case! Is that a Yankees hat? Go Knicks/Nets ..... straight to the lottery.
You suck
OGMillyMillz I was gonna disagree with you and write an argument but then I saw that you spelt it as "Thunders". I don't feel like wasting my time lmao