Sennheiser HD560 S - review - HD600 Dethroning!?
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
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Sinne Eeg “We’ve Just Begun” - multiple layer soundstage
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Been trying to ween myself off of very bass heavy sound recently, just picked these up and really love them. I use them for gaming and music listening, and I feel like I can hear everything. Especially in gaming. The sound stage is nuts. Really looking forward to my journey with headphones like this.
Awesomeness. Glad you enjoy them.
💯 they are great for FPS games. The best I’ve used by far. I’ll never get a “gaming” headset ever again. I’ve got it paired with the Ifi Zen stack 🔥for music and the SoundBlaster G6 for gaming.
Awesome! Thanks for the review :) always enjoy the content you put out.
My pleasure, you're welcome; glad you enjoyed the review.
This is kind of a random comparison, but how would these compare to the Hifiman HE-560? I’ve had the Senn 560S before but not together with the Hifiman 560 which I have now. I assume the soundstage is wider on the Hifimans as it’s a planar, but I’m also wondering about the dynamics and punch and other qualities.
Hi David, been listening through your music recommendations list, and enjoying myself immensely. I got stuck into Yo Yo Ma plays Morricone and rediscovered my Fidelio X2HRs, they do sound awesome with this genre and recording quality, and beat my HD600's here. Thanks for that and your good honest reviews!
I am glad you are enjoying the music playlist. I am glad you are enjoying your X2HR.
Thank you for watching, commenting and subscribing.
Can anyone recommend or link an aftermarket cable, preferably a braided locking cable? I'm having a terribly hard time finding anything useful..
You are my go-to reviewer. Thanks.
Thanks for the support, greatly appreciated ❤️
Good review thanks.
Thanks for watching! You are welcome.
What do you think about the 560s if it was eq'd to have the perfect FR?
Thanks for this review! How do you compare these with HE400i 2020?
Interesting comparison that I never got to do as I no longer have the 400i 2020. I haven't heard the 400i 2020 in a long while. If memory serves me correctly the bass is slightly thicker especially in sub bass on 560s but the 400i is more detailed and a little faster resolving. Mids are similar but the upper mids are more forward and aggressive on 400i. Treble is brighter and more aggressive on the 560s. Detail and resolution on 560s in the mids and treble are better. Soundstage is wider on 400i but depth, layering and seperation is better on 560s. Tone and timbre is more accurate on the 560s but it is close with the 400i.
Keep in mind I've never had these in house at the same so all impressions are from memory.
Welcome back Sir😇
Thank you.
Good review
Trying to decide between these and 660s, obviously the price difference is huge, about £240 here in UK ($300 ????). Is the bass on the 660s a lot better than 560s ?? Also considering Beyer dt1990pros, but I worry about vocals not being has good. I sent Sundaras back because I thought vocals were horrible, it was like mic was 3feet away. So, I like decent bass (Sundara was perfect lol), but vocals are the most important. What do you recommend??
Bass is better detailed on 660s but has more impact on 560s. The mids and treble have better detail retrieval and resolution on 660s. The 560s doesn't sound natural and has brighter signature to me.
Here is a link to my 660s: reviewua-cam.com/video/6YVmqaUrduw/v-deo.html
I recommend the 660s over the 560s 100%.
hi! was wondering how this is compared to the sundara? you mentioned grainyness on the trebble of sundara. so this is clearer than sundaras? what about bass and mids texture?
I find that the Sundara and the 560s both have grainy upper mids and treble; the 560s actually bothers me more then the Sundara; unless played on a tube amp. The differences are small though.
@@TheHonestAudiophile if i already own a sundara, is there still something the 560sdoes better or are they similar enough that i maybe dont need it? Wondering if you have other recos that fits in the sundara budget range (or cheaper) that can compliment the sundaras.
The only advantage of the 560s over the Sundara is the tone and timbre is more accurate on the 560s. But it is small difference. I'd say if you're happy with Sundara, stick with them .
I also have these and run them with a 2.5mm balanced cable out of a fiio btr5. Love them so much!
If I like the sound these have, what iem, let's say under $100-$150 would you recommend?
Tin Hifi T2, Tin Hifi T3, Etymotic ER2SE, Etymotic ER2XR, Tin Hifi T5, Akoustyx R110.
Sorry mate, where did you get the balanced cable for the 560s?
hi, Love this vid. have you reviewed or tried AKG K712. I am looking for a best headphone under 300 usd for classical music listening. Would like to hear your opinion. thanks!
I haven't heard the K712. Sorry.
I'm glad you enjoy the video.
Spirit orb 0:25 falling from right hand side. Also great review
I was thinking about buying the HD560s for gaming. Do they need a dac to run well or can I plug and play into a computer with them or do you think the hd600 would be better without a dac?
You'll need a DAC and amp for either of them. The 560 is better for gaming with its slightly wider stage.
I have 3 questions. First is it worth returning my hd 560s for the hd 600. 2 how much better is the 600 compare to the 560s, what I mean is it a noticable differece or a small difference. Last question is can an iem and headphones be compare for example I saw you rank the etymotic 2xr as D tier and the 560s as a C tier so is the etymotic 2xr better than the 560s?
Very difficult to compare IEM to headphones; you can compare in tonality but not really with technicalities. BUT with all that said, I would take the Etymotic ER2XR over the HD560 S.
As to the comparison of the HD600 and HD560 S that is mentioned in the video. I personally would select the HD600 over the HD560 S.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Thank you for replying.
My pleasure, you're welcome ♥️
Lovely review there dude. I love my 560s just as much as my 600's but for different reasons. 560s are my main gaming headphone. I use apo eq for listening to music with them. Xx
Glad you enjoy the 560s. Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing.
Anytime dude. You are a man after my own heart xx
Got rid of dt990 pros to get hd560s and *m so glad I did it.sound so good,especially in games(sound stage,imaging etc)but I'm still tempted to get hd600(instead?)as I hear from here and there I'm missing sth that hd560s can't provide.Bought 560s due to praise& recommendation rather than ££ limitation
@indorr glad you enjoy the 560s.
Hi Dave! Wanted ur advice in choosing between the hd 599 or the 560s. Please help! Thanks!
Sorry haven't heard the HD599.
I have both, 599 to mid bass bloated, 560s more detailed more sub bass, but get a tube amp or a warm amp !
I have them. I really like them. But i agree with you :)
Awesomeness. I like them too:) Thanks for watching and commenting.
Is the focal elegia better in detail and imaging than 660s?
Sorry haven't heard the Elegia.
Hi, good review 👍🏻
how would you compare them with rode nth 100? I like how hd 560s sounds but i found them a little bit veiled and lacking in transperancy. I also found their upper mids just a little bit shouty and too forward. Also, I found that using the HD560s in the studio doesn't quite capture that "true sound" needed to make the right mix decisions, especially when it comes to handling low frequencies - the mix doesn't quite translate correctly on the monitors. Does rode nth100 sounds more real to you?
I haven't heard the 560s since I reviewed it. So if my memory serves me correctly here are some differences that I recall. Obviously the 560s is open back and the NTH-100 is closed back. The upper mids and treble of the Rode are not near as forward and aggressive as the 560s. The NTH-100 has a warmer, fuller sound through out but may sound too dark in the uppers to some. The Rode has more accurate tone because it has better note weight . The lower frequencies are more accurate on the Rode. The 560s may be slightly more detailed and resolving. Keep in mind the Rode is more for monitoring then mixing and mastering.
@@TheHonestAudiophile thank you for the answer. So, which headphones in general would you choose for mixing and mastering use?
Similar budget closed back, I'd use the Austrian Audio Hi-X60. Open back I'd use the Sennheiser HD660S2.
If the budget is available the Audeze LCD-5 is the headphone I'd use for mixing and mastering.
Hey man, I am on Xbox and am planning on getting the Hd560S, would I need an amp for these or would the controller be enough to drive them, thanks man!
Also if aware they don’t have a mic, do you have any experience with v mod boom pro to give me your thoughts? :)
Sorry I don't know if Xbox controller is powerful enough to drive 560s and I have no experience with modmic.
BTW I am a Playstation user and haven't used an Xbox since the 360.
@@TheHonestAudiophile are you certain if a PS4 controller handles them well?
No I'm not, I don't own the 560s. Haven't heard them since I reviewed them. I don't recall.
Does this or Sundara have a warmer timbre?
Sundara has the slightly warmer timbre.
If you use these headphones with an IFI stack they sound really good with 2 X bass buttons. I have the IFI Zen Air Dac and IFI ZEN Air Can together. Makes a fuller sound with the two bass buttons.
I want your opinion on something. We are looking for HD25 sound on an over ear headphone. Tried so many but none of them had this tight fast bass.
Sorry, haven't heard the HD25.
@@TheHonestAudiophile ? Really or u just trolling me ? Sory for asking but that sounds strange.
I am not trolling, I have never heard the Sennheiser HD25.
@@TheHonestAudiophile oh ok sorry. U should test them i cant wait to see that. 10 years i am buing and selling closed back over ear headphones just to find this sound signature but not on ear.
I'll see if the funds become available or if someone sends them in for review. Thanks for the suggestion.
thx for ur review. i am torn between the hd 560s and hd 600. i am not an audiophile guy. but i like listening to music and i play competitive fps games. dont know for which i should go for. i mean is the hd 600 worse for gaming? obviously the sound stage is worse but you said it yourself, that the imaging is better.
Between those two I would go with the 600 for the imaging as that is more important for me with gaming.
good upgrade from the hd25 (music) & X2HR (movies n gaming)?
I am glad you enjoy them..
Pretty much anything is an upgrade over the X2HR, one of the worst headphones I've ever heard.
I havent heard the HD25.
@@TheHonestAudiophile i hear that from a lot of audiophiles. incredible for movies n gaming though. Can’t beat the soundstage without spending hundreds more. HD 560s seems more like a sideways upgrade. Will keep looking. Thanks!
@@TheHonestAudiophile I love the brutal honesty. I used to be a X2HR fanboy. It's still a consumer hp.
@@TheHonestAudiophile sound is objective my conclusion watching different reviewers...I have a hd558, hd58x, hd700 and x2hr...of all those I like the x2hr the most...
Sound is subjective for sure, we all hear differently and appreciate different gear.
Thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing.
Anyone have any alternatives that are slightly more neutral (flat) compared to these?
Sennheiser HD580
You describe it perfectly man, this is not a headphone as DMS says, the 4khz and 7khz peak is too much to be considered as "flat sounding" which sounded unnatural to me, this wont be replacing hd6-- series for tonality. Very good and honest review.
Awesomeness. Thank you for watching and commenting, greatly appreciate the kind words.
Choa, What are your thoughts on the 660s?
@@olanzipMK2 sorry, i cant comment on that, didnt have a chance to try it. I hope david gets a hand on it.
No, but the 560s offer something that most Sennheisers don't...bass extension. The extension is quite good and unlike the 600 series, they work well for electronic music. Personally, I really like them on solid-state gear (660s as well), which is something I can't say about the 600 (at least on my gear). Overall, it's different enough to justify buying it even if you have other Sennheisers.
Design is meh for sure but comfort is good.
For you which is the most complete over ear for classical under 300€.
Thanks a lot.
Koss 95x, Hifiman 4xx and Audio Technica R70x.
Trying to decide between K612 Pro and HD560S. The HD560S costs $50 dollar more in my country. This is actually my first pair so I am totally clueless about your tonal description. Right now, I am only able to consider soundstage and comfort. Which one do you reccommend?
Here is a link to my terms and definitions guide:
www.thehonestaudiophile.com/post/the-honest-audiophile-s-terms-and-definitions-guide
As far as choosing between the 612 Pro and 560s; they have similar stage width, depth and layering and the 560s has more clamp force. I prefer the 612 Pro as it doesn't have the aggressive presence that the 560s has to my ears.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Thanks for the reply
@@TheHonestAudiophile For K612 Pro do I need an amplifier? or is it good out if the box? I use a digital piano and laptop most of the time. What are your reccomendations if I need one? (preferably $70-80 but I can go higher if it's a must buy)
An amp is recommended for both. The Schiit Audio Magni Heresy is recommended.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Ok thanks. I more question, as for how long they’ll last, which one do you reccommend?
I have all HD5 and 6 series. If i had to choose one of them would be HD660s .
Awesomeness. I have heard the HD660s briefly at various audio meets but not enough to make a comparison. I would love the opportunity to review them at some point.
@@TheHonestAudiophile i dont know if my opinion matters but imagine them like they take the goods from 600 and 650 and put them on 660s for example they are clean and tight like 600 but not so neutral no so small soundstage and no shooty. And they have the warmish character of 650 but with no veil no slow mid bass and more resolution. And all that wity the best imaging i have heard maybe a little better than my Soundara i guess.smaller soundstage help with that. To me HD660s is the only headphone that is good on evrything but not perfect on something.
Thanks for the information. I really want to get one in for review.
does a Tube amp make these sound fuller better warmer?
A tube amp does help a little bit with the 560s.
@@TheHonestAudiophile thanks!
My pleasure, you're welcome.
Good Video
Thanks 😊
My first pair of "serious" headphones, been listening to them for two weeks, think about switching to hd 600 because judging by reviews hd 600 is not as harsh and doesn't have annoying frequencies, but if they do, I'm gladly going to keep my 560s. They are good but this review is the only one which says about real flaws that I've noticed, other reviewers seem to shrug it off or act like it's so awesome when something annoys you when you are listening to music.
So I give this video a like and subscribe to this channel, information in this review and in hd 600 review was much more useful then those "Oh, this X 200$ headphone is almost better than that 2000$ headphone" reviews.
Thank you for the kind words and subscribing, greatly appreciated. I'm glad you found the reviews helpful. Look forward to hearing your impressions on the HD600.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Sure, I'll write when they get to me. Also your 660s review that I've just watched made me think about selling my 560s, cancelling order for Topping L30 amplifier and just buy 660s. When I was thinking about buying headphones, one guy said me to buy 660s, but I wasn't sure about spending that amount of money, but it seems like because of my unfamilliarity with the topic, I ended up spending even more.
@@Pokerking4128 audio can be an expensive rabbit hole but it is also a fun journey. Look forward to hearing about your journey.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Yeah, as much as I complain about 560s even without amp just from my focusrite 2i2, I've never listened to so much music in my life:D
@@Pokerking4128 awesomeness 😎
Which over ears are for you the most complete for enjoy music under 500€?
Sennheiser HD660s and Hifiman Ananda
@@TheHonestAudiophile thanks! Last question. Having hd560s, in which aspects 660s is better?
Sundara or HD 600, which one do you prefer mate?
For vocals, tone and timbre I pick the HD600 and for everything else the Sundara.
@@TheHonestAudiophile what do you prefer for gaming and vocals?
Aune AR5000
Sennheiser HD660s2
@@TheHonestAudiophile brother they're expensive I mean something under 300$
Aune AR5000
BTW, will m iFi xDSD push these?
I think it will, I don't have an xDSD to test it though. The xDSD should be able to handle them as they aren't mega power hungry like other Sennheisers.
Yes easy i listen today also. But i think a warmer dac amp would be better. For example HD650 and 660s sound great on IFI but hd 560s and Sundara not so much. K5pro is warmer with smaller soundstage so it gives balance on these 560s Sundara headphones. ( personally i hate big soundstage for stereo music i am more in your head soundstage )
@@Tripokaridos22 Thank you. :-)
I ordered a pair for the hell of it. Im curious if my Bottlehead Crack or Liquid Platinum adds some tube magic to the 560s...but I have my doubts.
Awesomeness. I look forward to hearing your thoughts and impressions.
@@TheHonestAudiophile I have pretty much come to the conclusion that I agree with your review, but with a caveat...these sound pretty good on tubes. Especially the Bottlehead Crack as the higher output impedance helps a lot with the bass, which is the HD 560s Achilles Heel.
Since the review I have received the Tor Audio Roger and the 560s sounds a lot better in it. So it does seem like they like tubes.
@@TheHonestAudiophile song recommendation...listen to Tie Dye on the Highway by Robert Plant. That song displays a lot of the things that the HD 560s does really well.
I had these for a few weeks and just returned them yesterday. I agree 100% with this review and just didn't like the treble and thinness of sound. The sound stage is awesome though.
Thanks for sharing your impressions. Awesomeness.
@Has Goodles they are somewhat fugly build for sure. Not my favorite Sennheiser.
I returned them too. Too thin sound and harsh treble. If they had a bit more bass and not so hursh treble they would be awesome. I see how they can be good for mixing but NOT for enjoying music. Some say that they need one week of burning in but i didn't want to wait for that .
Oh well now, today you look a lot older!!!! Ordered these 10-12 and received an e-mail that they were shipped and in the U.S. If they are analytical, would they perhaps compare to the SSR's? After seeing other reviews, I felt that at $199, they might be worth trying. I simply can't afford the higher end 'stuff'.
Gosh, I didn't think the aging would take effect so quickly :(
The timbre is the noticeable difference besides being over ear vs IEM. I think the 560 S is a solid option but I wish the timbre and the aggressive upper mids, lower treble region wasn't as off putting as they are for me. I look forward to hearing your thoughts and impressions.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Thanks. How about the iFi xDSD and the SSR's?
SSR I would think would sound great on the xDSD.
@@TheHonestAudiophile They already do. I'm asking if you think the iFi xDSD will push the HD560's and since you stated that these are analytical, are they similar to the SSR's?
I think the SSR is more similar to the HD600 because of the 560 S timbre and aggressive upper mids,lower treble.
I’m a musician and I’ve decided on becoming an audio engineer as a job. Would these be good for mixing/mastering?
I think they would be good for that purpose.
the Honest Audiophile thanks
My pleasure, you're welcome 😊
Right now on amazon 599s and 559s are on sale and i don't know what do buy
Sorry I haven't heard either of them.
@@TheHonestAudiophile thanks for the replay looking at videos right now its only 4 $ more on 599s and i just wanna use them for gaming i've got IEM's to listen to music outside but still thanks for your hard work keep up the good videos coming =)
the 660S is the best of the 5xx 6xx line.
Agreed
Soundstage 7:48
the clamp force is minimal??? these literally just *hurt* to use, just pure pain on my head.
Sorry to hear that. Try stretching them out gently and slowly.
@@TheHonestAudiophile i did, nothing changed, hate the sound anyways, so boring.
Mine stopped hurting me after they compressed my head smaller. Xx
Why the 560s sound nasal to me?
I haven't heard any nasal or honk from the 560s, what source gear do you use?
@@TheHonestAudiophile xduoo xd 05 plus, xduoo ta-30, Fostex hp v1, ifi zen dac, topping d50s/a50s. It's maybe not nasal but a lack of clarity. A little vailed.
@@thomaskohler5181 interesting. Where are you hearing the veiled sound?
@@TheHonestAudiophile In the upper mids. I had had the same problem with the HD599.
@@thomaskohler5181 I havent heard the 599.
It looks like Sennheiser deliberately botched the design to protect the sales of the 600 series. Cost can't be the reason for its flaws.
I don't agree that Sennheiser deliberately botched a design of a very successful line of headphones to protect sales on another very successful line of headphones; that isn't a good business plan that I don't see Sennheiser taking part in. Cost cutting isn't the reason for the flaws; it is the actual tuning and implementation that causes the issues with the timbre and aggressive upper mids, lower treble.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
The 560/660s have a different tuning than the 600/650/6XX. The 600/640/6XX are safe because people like me buy all of them. Hahaha. Seriously.
In 2023 you don't get a dongle cable but a screw-on adapter. And the cable is shorter.
Hi Dave,
it is very interesting to hear your impression of the HD560S.
Based on your past evaluations of various headphones and in-ears, I have found that we very often conform to our assessment of the respective models.
This time I see the rating of the 560's a little differently.
I have to say that I take a brand-neutral approach to the evaluation of an earphone.
Which means that I don't initially assign a sennheiser, Beyerdnamic, GRADO, Focal ........ etc. to the classic tonal coordination of the respective brands, but first let me convey a general sound image.
Seen in this way, you get a very interesting result with the 560.
In a direct comparison with the rest of the Sennheiser portfolio, I agree with you, BUT when you compare these headphones with the Elex or Clear models from Focal, you can see clear tonal similarities.
If you look at it that way and like the tonal variant of these Focal models, the Sennheiser is an absolute bargain.
Sometimes manufacturers have models in their portfolio that differ from the rest of the branding habits.
For example:
The TYGR from the rest of the DT series at Beyerdinamic
the RS2e at GRADO,
the Stellia at Focal
etc.
As always, thank you for your efforts to give us your impression of affordable hi-fi products and to help interested parties to make a decision!
Stay healthy!
I am sorry but I didn't have any Focal to compare with the 560s. I did compare to the Ollo S4x. I also mentioned all the different gear used and provided music playlists. This review wasn't based on a comparison strictly versus other Sennheiser products. Also, I recommend the 560s as it is a good headphone but I prefer the 600 and the S4x instead, didn't say it wasn't worth purchasing.
Thanks for watching and commenting. You're welcome for the review.
Buddy please work on your thumbnails
Thanks for watching and commenting.
That thumbnail tho xD
Yeah I know I'm bad at taking pictures.
Too technical language at bout 4 minutes in
Please refer to my term and definition guide if you need clarification.
www.thehonestaudiophile.com/post/the-honest-audiophile-s-terms-and-definitions-guide
No the HD600 has not been dethroned. It is a better headphone!
Did you watch the video?
8:45 comparison to HD600
I reckon the 560 dumps all over the 600 and at half the price as well.
I suggest you watch the video to confirm your assumptions 😉
@@TheHonestAudiophile As your SUBJECTIVE opinion matters, lol.
Just another person "damaged" by the HD600 lack of any treble.
Glad you enjoy the 560s. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Flat sounding headphones got too much hype.
They’re too bright, aery, boring.
The audio signature of flat headphones are good for producers, terrible for listeners.