Really happy with how Equinox have tackled the Robin Hood nerf and their communication has been so clear I simply can't pick holes in it. Regarding if Robin Hood is terrible now, I don't think so. Obviously it is a nerf and stacking Robins does nothing extra but simply making no cards cost 1 is a big hit, 1 costs being that poking, surprise last plays or cheap triggers is really strong. Perhaps because of the decks I run I feel this is stronger than it is, but either way Hood is definitely far from dead to me.
I’m very curious about official format of competition now. If they take the B03 path I think Robin can totally be playable as a sideboard staple for the Izmir matchup for exemple
Gameplay should always come first and that means that cards that need to be changed should be changed regardless of the cost of the card. If this was a CCG and gameplay wasn't relevant to the marketing of the game, then it would be different, but players absolutely shouldn't have over payed for obviously broken cards. The benefit of this is that in the future, this will act as a soft cap on the cost of cards because of the fear of the errata/ban hammer on other cards as Equinox has shown that they will act.
One advantage of the new Robin Hood that I haven't seen many bring up yet: it is extremely effective against discount effects which reduce things to 1 or 0, in fact those effects don't do anything as long as Robin is out. There are only a few examples right now, mostly support abilities, for reducing cost, but I expect as more cards are printed in the future there could be a deck that makes a lot of use of cheap cards and discount effects which this Robin would punish even harder than the old Robin could have. So new Robin is obviously less powerful than the original but could be a strong hate piece against a particular kind of deck in the future.
Robin Hood definitely still has value. It's nowhere near the original power, but it may be for the best in the long run. I don't go into tcg's thinking that every card will be perfect out of the gate; I expect erratas/changes.
This kind of nerf trashing is too soon in the game's life cycle. I have been playing TCG's since Magic 3rd edition and there has never been this kind of over reaction to a card like this this early after the games initial release. TCGs need time to develop and we needed more sets of cards and player adaptation and game evolution to happen before trashing a card like this. Robin Hood is completely useless now. It is. It's garbage. This kind of over reaction would be like if WotC had banned Black Lotus two months after Beta came out, or editing Necropotence two months after that card came out. It's just too soon. But they could have done this way better. Just increase both his costs to 5. Drop the Bureaucrat subtype. Lower his three stats by one each. Make it so his ability affected all players and not just opponents.
@@cabinato9550 there has only been one competitive tournament in the US, so you are correct. However, in my experience most players don’t play any sort of removal, which is a consistent issue in other games such as Magic as well. If the community is just going to call any card that makes the game slightly more difficult to play toxic, then Altered will never get the exposure it needs to succeed.
@@jasontubbs4975 Robin hood taxed the removal as well so the only card which cleanly answered it with no downsides was cloth cocoon, and even that only trades equally with it. Most factions had to play cards which are bad in many other matchups and bad against every other card in the Waru deck just in case of Robin hood. The other problem is, now you have put your anti-Hood tech card in. For it to be effective, you have to draw it, and your opponent has to draw and play Robin Hood. Some number of games you don't draw your tech card, some number of games you draw it but they never play a Robin Hood and you lose because you're -1 card into a deck that's still quite efficient without playing Hood. These reasons are why I don't think an argument like "just remove him" are that compelling.
While I applaud Equinox for actively managing their player experience, I don’t agree with how Robin Hood was handled. Stax effects like Robin Hood are known to promote a negative player experience. Either embrace that stax is a viable way to play the game and give game pieces to support this or never print them at all. I think a functional errata is going to lead to issues long term for the game as players can no longer play the cards as written. This is a common way to update digital only games, but Altered is played with physical cards as well. I would have much rather seen a restriction for the amount of rare copies played in Waru and Mac specifically, since that is where the issue is. No one was concerned that Lyra Robin Hood was too OP.
I agree here, erratas are annoying if everyone isn't on the same page, or when new players join, it creates some awkward moments. Had they changed a game rule or a keyword ability that really only requires a change to the rulebook then that would have been better. But a full ban of all tax effects would also create problems for all of those who spent that crazy money to get those quetzl and council uniques.
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Really happy with how Equinox have tackled the Robin Hood nerf and their communication has been so clear I simply can't pick holes in it.
Regarding if Robin Hood is terrible now, I don't think so. Obviously it is a nerf and stacking Robins does nothing extra but simply making no cards cost 1 is a big hit, 1 costs being that poking, surprise last plays or cheap triggers is really strong. Perhaps because of the decks I run I feel this is stronger than it is, but either way Hood is definitely far from dead to me.
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I’m very curious about official format of competition now. If they take the B03 path I think Robin can totally be playable as a sideboard staple for the Izmir matchup for exemple
I just pulled two robin hoods from a beyond the gates booster box and I read the text and just laughed to myself cause he's now the OG robin hood
Robin knew what he did, though the nerf was a bit further than I though Equinox would go
Gameplay should always come first and that means that cards that need to be changed should be changed regardless of the cost of the card. If this was a CCG and gameplay wasn't relevant to the marketing of the game, then it would be different, but players absolutely shouldn't have over payed for obviously broken cards. The benefit of this is that in the future, this will act as a soft cap on the cost of cards because of the fear of the errata/ban hammer on other cards as Equinox has shown that they will act.
One advantage of the new Robin Hood that I haven't seen many bring up yet: it is extremely effective against discount effects which reduce things to 1 or 0, in fact those effects don't do anything as long as Robin is out. There are only a few examples right now, mostly support abilities, for reducing cost, but I expect as more cards are printed in the future there could be a deck that makes a lot of use of cheap cards and discount effects which this Robin would punish even harder than the old Robin could have. So new Robin is obviously less powerful than the original but could be a strong hate piece against a particular kind of deck in the future.
yep. stronger against lyra and yzmir now. smh.
Robin Hood definitely still has value. It's nowhere near the original power, but it may be for the best in the long run. I don't go into tcg's thinking that every card will be perfect out of the gate; I expect erratas/changes.
Nice change. Still loving the game.
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Nerfs in physical card games? Interesting.
it makes a bit more sense for altered, since you have the print on demand feature possibly as a way to refund or help redact cards in the future.
Sort by A-Z, they're side by side
Glad I bought 3 robin hoods last week for crazy money and now people will be giving them away
This is like MTG banning jeweled lotus from commander
I'm still waiting for the bravos haven nerf
I am curious if we will see other decks get powerful cards in future expansions fast enough that this doesn't have to happen.
This kind of nerf trashing is too soon in the game's life cycle. I have been playing TCG's since Magic 3rd edition and there has never been this kind of over reaction to a card like this this early after the games initial release.
TCGs need time to develop and we needed more sets of cards and player adaptation and game evolution to happen before trashing a card like this. Robin Hood is completely useless now. It is. It's garbage.
This kind of over reaction would be like if WotC had banned Black Lotus two months after Beta came out, or editing Necropotence two months after that card came out.
It's just too soon.
But they could have done this way better.
Just increase both his costs to 5.
Drop the Bureaucrat subtype.
Lower his three stats by one each.
Make it so his ability affected all players and not just opponents.
robin hood was so toxic
Why was it toxic? It was a difficult card to play around, but it was known. If decks planned removal, then it shouldn’t have been a massive issue.
@@jasontubbs4975 Bro never played competitive 💀
@@cabinato9550 there has only been one competitive tournament in the US, so you are correct. However, in my experience most players don’t play any sort of removal, which is a consistent issue in other games such as Magic as well. If the community is just going to call any card that makes the game slightly more difficult to play toxic, then Altered will never get the exposure it needs to succeed.
@@jasontubbs4975 Robin hood taxed the removal as well so the only card which cleanly answered it with no downsides was cloth cocoon, and even that only trades equally with it. Most factions had to play cards which are bad in many other matchups and bad against every other card in the Waru deck just in case of Robin hood.
The other problem is, now you have put your anti-Hood tech card in. For it to be effective, you have to draw it, and your opponent has to draw and play Robin Hood. Some number of games you don't draw your tech card, some number of games you draw it but they never play a Robin Hood and you lose because you're -1 card into a deck that's still quite efficient without playing Hood.
These reasons are why I don't think an argument like "just remove him" are that compelling.
@@ShaneGifford12 totally understood. However, paying one more isn’t much different than playing against The Spindle or against any cards with Tough.
While I applaud Equinox for actively managing their player experience, I don’t agree with how Robin Hood was handled. Stax effects like Robin Hood are known to promote a negative player experience. Either embrace that stax is a viable way to play the game and give game pieces to support this or never print them at all.
I think a functional errata is going to lead to issues long term for the game as players can no longer play the cards as written. This is a common way to update digital only games, but Altered is played with physical cards as well. I would have much rather seen a restriction for the amount of rare copies played in Waru and Mac specifically, since that is where the issue is. No one was concerned that Lyra Robin Hood was too OP.
I agree here, erratas are annoying if everyone isn't on the same page, or when new players join, it creates some awkward moments.
Had they changed a game rule or a keyword ability that really only requires a change to the rulebook then that would have been better.
But a full ban of all tax effects would also create problems for all of those who spent that crazy money to get those quetzl and council uniques.