CASIO Grand Hybrid Piano live in the Berlin Philharmonie
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2017
- Digital Premier: CASIO Digital Hybrid Piano GP-500 entered the stage of the Berlin Philharmonie with the Neue Preussische Philharmonie Orchestra in March 2017 for a challenge: How does a digital hybrid piano sound like with a whole orchestra in a big concert hall?
we are comparing a 100k model with a 4k model... This video is not to convinced you to tell "ho my god both pianos are the same, I can't see any difference". This video is to show how technology can democratize piano as it can be accessible to everyone. Who can own a grand piano like this one in the population?
With a Casio 510 and so many others, you can have an incredible piece of technology in your hands as you can play with a perfect sound on an headset and share it with anyone. At home you do not disturb neighbors with hours of exercices, and you can register yourself. Those machnies are beautiful and allow us to play in any flat or any room. The fact that we can compare here both sounds is incredible. I just say good job Casio (kawai and yamaha too)
Well said... there are always people so ready to pounce with their negativity. This was a very useful demonstration to hear the difference and appreciate what has been achieved. I am placing an order for one of these after trying the Yamaha, Kawai and Casio within this price range. 1/20th of the price of that gorgeous acoustic grand!
It's true about digital technology democratising the piano (I was saying it elsewhere) but the GP500 should be compared to more modest grand pianos, or even uprights. This comparison was a little exaggerated.
A Casio realmente evoluiu drasticamente , sua série de pianos Celviano é o exemplo disto , Casio tem trazido um realismo incomum em seus pianos e isto consertesa tornará a Casio um concorrente muito sério anti ao seus oponentes até mesmo imbatível!!!
Played a GP500 in the store for a good while. The touch and action are magnificent. I also am in LOVE with innovative features like Concert Play. The cabinets are also attractive. … However, that's where the positives end for me. Bass notes sound far too muffled, and the upper registers seem to decay far too quickly. As others noted, you can hear samples change at different pressure levels, especially during faster runs. I must give Casio props, though. They're the only ones with the guts to pit their Celvianos against a concert grand during a live performance. Let's see Kawai or Yamaha do that!
Casio is doing some really cool stuff, but their sampling and speaker technology are holding them back. Their lead is dwindling, but Yamaha and Kawai are still ahead, in my humble opinion.
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The Berlin Philharmonie is the sacred final temple for the best chamber and soloist pianistic music to express on a planetary scale.
Die Berliner Philharmonie ist der Heilige letzte Tempel für die beste Kammer und Solistin Pianisten Musik, um auf einer globalen Skala auszudrücken. Yan Ayrton, ein junger Komponist.
Very glad to hear this with my favourite concerto
Está prron el pianito. Que bonito
Will it be really that good??? I hope so.
I got to play one today... The hype is real, Kawai and Yamaha can't hope to compete at this price point, maybe it's time for them to stop inflating their price. You will find soooo many salesmen ready to look down on Casio but it's only because they are basing their opinion on lower models. The gp series sets a new milestone in price vs performance
There is the issue of build quality.
@@Zoco101 no Idea what "issue" you're referring to, I found no " issues" with others online nor have I had "issues". I got my gp510 after returning a Kawai CA 99 because it had a static crackle in the speaker system which is an issue others have found in the 99 there Is even a UA-cam video of someone with the same issue. Perhaps you can cite some sources of these "issues"
@@zac2624 (1) I've always found build quality on Yamaha, Roland and Kawai to be superior to Casio, though most of my experience is with portables. (2) You have the 510 which is supposedly built better than the 500 reviewed here. Another viewer in the main thread has cited a particular disturbing build issue with the 500.
Since you say that Casio is upstaging Kawai and Yamaha on price, I felt it necessary to point out the build issue.
PS I own both Yamaha and Casio products and I like them both. Each has its advantages. The Casio gives me the best features, especially connectivity, for the price, but I don't expect it to last as long.
@@Zoco101 it was a build issue on the CA99 that caused me to take it back, the 500 (older model) doesn't have build issues it has design changes which are very different things. The improved the speakers with bigger magnets, improved decay time and inverted the screen colour but build quality was never the issue.
I too grew up on Yamaha, however I don't discount quality of Casio at all, plenty of Casio keyboards from the 80s still working, plenty of their watches takin a lickin and still tickin.
To say they won't last is sheer bias and not based on any fact. Yes the Casio is made in China, but my defective Kawai (and probably all the other defective Kawai models) was made in Indonesia.
This piano was also largely designed by bechstein, who used robust parts in the action on purpose in order to increase service life and reduce the need for servicing, i.e they used leather instead of felt and carbon fibre instead of plastics in parts.
@@Zoco101 .l.
Very good but very high for studio work enviroment ..where will i put my laptop and my mouse for example ???Best selling product for me would be something like kawai vpc with even better keyboard like casio and with speakers but without buttons and surface free for laptops mixers and mouses .This would sell A LOT ..
Just so everyone knows, I'm a Grade 8 ABRSM grad. I've played/performed on C Bechstein, Steinway & Sons, Bosendorfer, Fazioli, Hailun, Kayserburg, Yamaha, Kawai (including Shigeru) pianos. Prior to owning this piano, I have a Yamaha U3 (at my place) and a Bosendorfer 214 at my parent's place. I was looking for a grand piano to enjoy certain pieces with high repetition rates, but can't afford a very expensive Grand Piano, that's why I chose the Casio GP500.
I bought this piano 18 months ago, it's a good instrument (sounds good and good action response), but it's made of cheap MDF boards laminated with stickers. I understand why they chose not to use expensive woods, they're saving cost, and also, resonance isn't important, unlike traditional pianos, where the wood and soundboards used affects the quality of the sound made from the instruments. Since the sound of a digital piano is simulated from the speakers, it's not important. But, here comes the biggest issue with MDF boards.
Why is this an issue? The MDF part around the pedals cracked in less than 4-6 months of usage (with approximately 30-45 minutes of play per day). The piano kept squeaking whenever I stepped on the pedals. When I found out about this issue, it was around 11 months into ownership, when I called the seller of the piano "Wagner" in Malaysia to complain about the annoying squeeking noise, and they told me to take a video, only I realize that the MDF board around the pedals have split/cracked.
The agent in Malaysia for Casio Digital Pianos, Marco Polo's service is terrible, I called them up for a warranty claim, they told me they've scheduled to come to visit and have a look, but nobody followed up. I've finally got really frustrated, and I've stopped playing this instrument, and instead, bought myself a Zimmermann Z185 grand piano.
For USD$4000+ equivalent, this is a piece of junk, shame on you Casio (or Marco Polo). I could have easily topped up just a little bit more for a baby grand, or even a cheap Chinese grand piano, and the experience would have been 100x better.
And since I purchased this digital grand hybrid, they have released a new GP510, and it made this piano worthless, and I can't even find a reasonable offer for it, because the MDF board is cracked, and there's a new updated model. The piano store I wanted to trade in my piano to only offered me less than USD$600 for it.
If this piano had never given me the above-mentioned issues, I wouldn't have purchased the Zimmermann. I got so angry that I didn't want to spend more money on digital hybrids anymore, instead, I went for the real thing.
Avoid at all costs.
P.S. Just in case if Casio's PR team wants to contact me, you can direct PM me and I'll give you more information, or you could contact your Malaysian distributor/agent Marco Polo. I've filed warranty claims with them that they've so far not entertained me. They're blaming it on the Covid-19 situation, closed for business, etc. no door to door service, and now, they claim it's out of warranty, since the lockdown (full/partial) was never fully lifted since 18th March 2020. Piano was purchased in January 2020. Warranty claim filed first in December 2020. Serial No. 938BDC261001736 Model GP-500BP.
Hahaha stupid
MDF? Unbelievable!
does the faster speed repetition (of the Casio) than acoustic grand pianos make it more difficult to play advanced classical music on acoustic grand pianos??
As a Steinway owner I've always joked that "there are Steinways and then there are piano-like instruments." OTOH, my M now costs $65K, requires tuning four times a year, needed regulation and is immovable. I gig with a Casio Privia that is +90% as good sound, weighs 26 lbs. and requires zero maintenance. I was an analogue holdout but, with increased sampling frequency (and, I'm sure, my advancing age) digital solutions offer convenience, compactness, price and durability with very little, if any, sacrifice in sound quality. I'm getting a Celviano ap 700.
Interesting perspective. I have been looking into these developments a very long time. And actually inquired about the cost of a real, complete, new "grand" action that I then would pilut in a box with a MIDI strip. Too expensive. Most of the digitals use sampling and have audible linitations. Only a couple have - sort of - realistic imitation of touch. I tested the expensive Roland V piano and thought its sympathic string resonance and decay could be better. Whilst these Casios have a nice audio section of amps and speakers, their electronic sound (directly) is less convincing. Competition for these Casios may be Kawai MP11SE with 1 or 2 powered stage speakers. Or a Kawai VPC1 with Pianoteq and a fast computer, plus the active speakers. With the 3 sensors per key and the modeling for sound generation, that might even be more convincing. And because Pianoteq legitimately sampled e.g. a Steinway, that digital instrument is called Steinway and not Hamburg Piano. I have not heard the latter yet, but on paper it looks the best - if only that VPC1 had a MP11SE keyboard.
You are absolutely right about Kawai. I played MP's for many years and they do have a very convincing hammer action. They weigh over 75 lbs which makes them problematic for me, since I'm an older gigging musician. When I was younger I had no issues with moving a Fender Rhodes. Each piece weighed 125 lbs! Why not get an MP11 and, via MIDI or USB hook up to your piano software? (IMHO, the Rolands and especially Yamaha keyboards are too heavy...)
@@JayMSinger- to be precise, the "action" and midi out only VPC1 is just 65 lbs. It's a pity its pedal controller is a bit less good than MP11SE (72 lbs) as the latter internally has optical sensors. If you gig alone, without roadies and other jesters, they are heavy. Maybe with serious wheels on one end? And, maybe not be agist about ourselves and work out in the gym a bit more ;) ?
couldn't find any steinway videos on your hannel. I smell bullshit.
I live in the Dominican Republic. It is very expensive and difficult to find a place to give proper maintenance to a Grand piano. Even vertical ones are dropped into the trash because they can't find someone to tune them correctly. Even if it's far from perfect, an electric grand is the only feasible option here. Either that or learn how to tune your grand piano 5 or 6 times each year (a lot of humidity here).
I have tried the gp500 in 2016 and though the touch was very good, the sound is NOT good. Even the then direct competitor Kawai CA97 which felt almost the same (they have wooden keys too) sounded better than the hyped up GP 500... Alas...
Pocket calculators sure have come a long way
Nie myślałam, że za mojej aktywności muzycznej doczekam momentu kiedy instrument cyfrowy będzie wstanie w tak dużym stopniu dorównać fortepianowi koncertowemu.
the soul of these gp500 is Bechstein, nohing to say
An interesting statement came out about development, and I realised that here we can say it in a nutshell. Ignoring or obstructing digital technology (particularly with regard to pianos) is to oppose innovation and progress. Can today's digital pianos sound exactly like any specific models of acoustic piano? I doubt that. Should they have to? Categorically no! There is room for similar and different. Striving for identical is stupid because no piano is perfect.
Will digital hybrid pianos become the main pianos in classical music concerts? Maybe, but not for a very long while because there are many things to improve - not least of all, durability. Indeed, acoustic pianos still have certain advantages. Will digital pianos become the preferred pianos in family homes? They already have.
The important issues are that (1) digital technology has democratised the pianoforte (2) digital technology offers us solutions to all problems in local acoustics (3) digital technology offers us the hope of creating pianos beyond our wildest dreams.
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The jumps to different samples at different velocity levels are evident in places here.
the casio has a boombox effect... there is a big tell.. lack of space. etc. it sound pretty good... we still are not there. but soon will be.
I played the GP 500 I think..
The grand is superior...
But for the price and convenience the Casio is superb..
Great exhibition, but IMHO it's nothing that any of the other major DP manufacturers couldn't do. I'm pretty sure any of the high end Kawai or Yamaha with the proper mic settings would fit as good as the GP in a live concert.
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what's the song at 2:00 or so? thanks.
Mozart piano concerto no.23, 2nd movement.
If it's no one singing is not a song.
Spoiler : Casio did NOT bribe anyone for the making of this video!
What's this piece?
mozart concerto no. 23
hamburg sample on casio or berlin?
Berlin, of course. It was played in Berlin, next to a C. Bechstein from Berlin which colaborated with Casio for key and sound development.
@@Thiago-px9ev not really, Viena and Berlin grand samples aren't that bright, they are more on the mellow side, on this concert they used the hamburg sample, but since it's being played through the resonance box of the casio's hybrid, the sound achieves that acoustic rich natural sound that is often thin sounding through line output.
@@IvanEDaza I actually find Casio's Berlin sample the brighter of them all. Hamburg is the most balanced and Vienna is the mellow one.
@@Thiago-px9ev you sure? Las time I checked, Hamburg sample is quite brighter, more likely to project sound further, I have a pxs1000 and I'm sure that's the Hamburg sample last time I compared it to this hybrid piano sounds on some video over here
ua-cam.com/video/qffNcFItRsk/v-deo.html here's one video comparison of the three samples
I am not convinced at all by such an experiment. Not later than yesterday I was asked to try the Casio GP 300 which was elaborated with the help of Bechstein technicians who used their latest concert grand piano as a role model. Nothing to do with a Bechstein D 282 model that I know very well, I am afraid! It is easy to hear the huge gap between a great acoustic piano and a digital one, once you have understood that all this hype is nothing else than marketing.
ofc full length grands are going anywhere.. but they aren't 200 grand so...
I love my Casio Hybrid Celviano gp300. I could never afford a grand piano. I’m not fond of digital pianos but as a piano teacher the Casio gp300 is great for teaching. I always use the Berlin sound with slight tweaks. It’s not perfect but compared to my Korean upright the Casio is pure luxury!!
It’s a solution for those of us who aren’t millionaires that don’t have the privilege to own a mansion or a concert grand on the living room. Now you won’t seriously compare a $200.000 acoustic concert grand to a $6000 hybrid one, will you? It’s called common sense.
Casio Gp 500 is sound sooo bed,because the sound is covered like in the box
Sorry, but I played all available hybrid pianos on the market and I have to say that the feel and the sound of the GP-500 is miles away from Yamaha's Avantgrand and Kawai's Novus models.
In my opinion the AvantGrand N2 is the closest digital/ hybrid piano to a real acoustic one.
Which digital was the best action key if you played all, most important is the action. Can you repeat 14same note per second on yamaha or kawai?
@@jihadhamwi Definitely on Yamaha AvantGrand. I'm a owner of a NX1 for five months now and it's just great. In the end I went for N1X ínstead of N2 because of the better CFX Sample and better recording options. It's really a dream for those who cannot have an acoustic piano at home.
@@Schmidthorst69 sounds good, I will try it before buying and new digital piano. Thanks👍
@@jihadhamwi Good luck, mate! :)
"the sound of the GP-500 is miles away from Yamaha's Avantgrand and Kawai's Novus models"
*You're being very unfair to Casio here as both the Avantgrand and Novus models are about twice the price of the GP-500.*
Crikey you can hear the Casio stepping between the different samples at different velocity levels in the Mozart. Not good!
Not that this digital piano sounds like an acoustic piano but this acoustic grand piano sounds like a digital piano in this recording.
ahahaha ^^
A lot of marketing: In the video it all looks good etc, but once you sit in front of the digital Casio (I did), you instantly hear that there is a big gap between an acoustic and those digital pianos. And by the way: In a venue like Berliner Philharmonie, they should have put up a piano without the big "CASIO" brand name on the back. It looks unworthy of such a concert hall.
Celviano sounds good.But i prefer the really sound of wood of real pianos...............................
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Miccing is not the best way to show Casios's sound. Line is better.
this is pure PR with payed actors, maybe one day ocoustic piano resonanse will be achieved by electric keyboards just not yet.
Yamaha N3X > Casio GP
Please. It is no match for the real grand piano. But it Seems like almost no one gives a shit about having a Steinway anymore. Other brands can sound just as good or better.
I wonder how much money and how many free digital pianos Casio spread around to get these people gushing over that poor substitute for a concert grand.
They don’t, they just sell competent quality for a quarter of the price that other brands like Yamaha or Kawai sell you a product with similar specs. Maybe if Yamaha or Kawai did something similar and stepped back with their overpriced products, Casio wouldn’t be having such a hype.
I for example own a Casio px-s1000, and compared to the Yamaha P-125 (which is roughly $150 more expensive on my country), offers me better portability, Bluetooth audio streaming, a much better sampled and colorful piano sound with adjustable parameters such as strings resonance, damper resonance, key on/off noise, etc, and BATTERY POWER OPTION. Does Yamaha offer any of that with their model? No, that’s why I went with Casio, at that price point was just a no brainer for me. Action wise? Yeah it’s imperfect as a sacrifice made for the ultra portable slim form factor, but if we are realistic for a second, any portable digital piano out there is imperfect as well and none can replicate a real piano action, so we adapt to the action of any keyboard we choose anyways. I could have chosen something like the Kawai es110 as it has a considerable good action, but it costs $500 more than the Casio on my country, so yeah, prices talk for us people who aren’t privileged millionaires with mansions to fit a concert grand :)
@@IvanEDaza Casio's attempts to match the (more expensive) competition are a bit hit and miss, but it seems to be more hit than miss these days. The PX-S5000 has just been released. It is the first portable piano costing little more than €1K that comes with partially wooden keys. And it has optional battery power!