Instead of epoxy to hold the wires in, I like to use a zip tie on the inside of the housing to secure the wires from pulling out. Keeps them solid but reversible if I ever need to get back inside. Not visible either from the outside. I love Never Dull!
This two-part video has been extremely helpful to me with removing the stator and field windings in order to replace the original head wires with safe modern ones. Although mine is the GE 75423 oscillating model, the motor is the same as yours. Mine also has the four wires, only two of which connect to the speed control in the base. (I have yet to find an explanation for four head wires with two that aren’t connected to anything.) I couldn’t find a way to remove the tight-fitting stator and windings, so your use of a small brass hammer helped me “walk” that assembly out of the motor case. You went the extra mile and had the original color (which GE called “Pullman Green,” after the color of Pullman railway cars) duplicated instead of using Hunter Green from a spray can.
Joe, Will you email me at jimdrake1944 at gmail dot com? I have a question to ask about a stator removal. Thanks in advance for contacting me, but at your convenience.
Joe, Either Lysol or Ace or any toilet-bowl cleaner that has a small amount (usually 8-10%) of hydrochloric acid will remove the tarnish from the brass blades and other brass parts if they’re immersed in the cleaner for 15-30 seconds. If it’s immersed any longer, the brass will turn pink. So it’s important to have a soap-and-water “bath” ready to neutralize and remove the cleaner before the brass turns color. (P.S. Did you get my comment with my email address?)
Great fan, great restore. For all the people who evidently hassle you over your workbench - or process even - not being über clean and Apple-esque I say chill out. Appreciate Joe as a wonderful human being who seems. to me to get a lot of stuff done. Joe, I'm pretty OCD, hyper-organized, and a neat-nic, but I have no illusion that there is a "right way" or "wrong way". And I know I repeat this all the time, but all I know is that I'd love to live down your street, compare notes over coffee, hunt finds together, and help each other solve problems we're each better at. So I also really relate, as I wager all my fellow "regulars" do as well, with the joy of fixing something for someone else. Especially if their problem seemed impossible to them for whatever reason. Supporting each other is what it's all about.
Hi Marc. It is funny you mention living down the street, i met up with a subscriber who lives around the corner from me. Chris and i talked for hours (he has the same drill press i have), so yea i think all of us have a special bond. Perhaps one day we can put together a meet-up like the bar z bash, but for (as scoutcrafter says) us "small fish". Cheers
That turned out beautiful Joe. I can’t believe you didn’t carve a base from a tree you felled with an axe you made but hey, maybe next time. 😆 I also can relate to the “what else do I have that needs epoxy around here” comment and the “screw it I’ll just tape over it” comment. 🤣 Great video man. Keep ‘em coming. 👍🏼
Great job - thanks for diving in on the wiring issue. Next time consider using liquid electrical tape instead of the RTV black goo. It really looks nice with the dark red color and the brass blades and GE emblem.
My initial line of thinking was flawed, no sort of compound was going to save those rotten wires. However, i agree that liquid electrical tape is great stuff. If they were in better shape the liquid tape would be perfect. Cheers
Hello Joe! Awesome project with fantastic results.. The polished brass against the wine colored body really looks great! That picture of you and your Dad- It looks like you are staining a old fashioned Patrol box for scouts!! =) Thanks!!!!!!!
Good eye! My father and i built that box, which was modeled after the patrol boxes we had when I was a Scout. The camping box always draws lots of attention when I go camping. Anyway, thanks! I like the wine and brass color combination. 🍷🍷🍷😂. Cheers
So that answers the four wire question. Great job, and I appreciate the details on painting. I have a similar size motor on a 6 quart White Mountain ice cream maker that needs a redo from the corrosion caused by the rock salt, and this points me in the right direction.
Good luck on ice cream maker, it sounds like a fun restoration. Is there any chance of you uploading your restoration efforts to youtube? Thanks again for the great feedback and comments. Cheers
Success! What a nice fan Joe...dig the color too. BTW I've been using spot puddy since my High School Hot Rod days in the late 60's. Back then everyone called it "Green Stuff." It was green...lol. The brass fan WAS a challenge! I also use Never Dull. After watching Jay Lenos Garage, he featured a product call Quick-Glo. I bought some at Amazon, it's great Stuff! So nice video...carry on! ...Newk from Kentucky
Great Job, Joe, that fan blade took alot of elbow grease, it really came out good. I now know what to expect whenever I decide to tackle a fan restoration.
Joe, thanks so much for videoing this process! It has given me the confidence to tackle rebuilding a GE fan my parents had sitting in a storage shed. My only hesitation is getting the blades to the polished sheen you did. Though the blades on my fan are aluminum, I'm still going to try to get a mirror finish. I suppose patience will win the day with this. Thanks again for such an informative video!
Lol, you are so right Milton. This project was way more work than I anticipated, but I got lucky and was able to work through all the issues. The difficult restorations are the most rewarding, for me. Cheers
This turned out amazing! I've always loved old fans. I got a small single speed one of these from 1930 and it didn't even have a cord when I got. But just watching somebody else dive into these motors and wiring is pretty helpful. I definitely don't plan on doing a full resto but really hope to see mine working function again properly.
These old fans are great, they are quiet and move way more air than anything new. Check out the antique fan collector forum (afcf), it is a great resource. Cheers
The fan turned out great!! I really like that satin red. The vintage wire looks great but surprised you didn't use it out to the plug. Great job overall and especially for saving the motor from the crumbling wire insulation. I remember my mother always had a can of a brass polish with the wool stuff in it and it always worked great. Like you said it's for finishing only.
Hi Steve, yea i bought some 3 wire cloth wire, but all i had was a neon orange plug, so i just used a black extention cord. That neve dull is probably just like what your mom used....great stuff. Cheers
Get some flux when working with old wires & soldering. Without flux it is next to impossible to get your solder to stick to wires. Flux makes all the difference in the world & make sure you get Electronics flux without acid. Then clean it off with Isopropyl Alcohol 99% real good afterwards. I love your videos. You are a very creative guy just like myself! :-)
You know, Joe, another good idea for mixing small amounts of epoxy is to buy a cheap playing cards and just pull one out for mixing small amounts when needed! Cheers!
Joe, as soon as you said you spotted that green paint inside the base I thought, "Oh no. He's gonna do it again." BTW... I was watching this really late at night and thought there was something wrong with my eyes. Kept wiping them with tissue but still had this out of focus area. Thought maybe my cataract surgery was going bad. Thanks for the heads up on the smudged lens. Just so you know... polished brass is pretty much always worth it.
"Leads me to believe it's, ahhh shit, what do they call it.....paint!" LOL! Classic my friend! I absolutely LOVE your channel buddy! Always makes my day better.
My Mechanics, I believe, has used a paste made from flour, salt, and vinegar (if memory serves) to take patina off brass parts. Seemed to work rather well.
I too have several old fans, a 1921 GE as well and those streaks on the blades? that is dried oil. Those are oil cups in the front and rear of the GE's Emerson's also have just one oil ports and if you over oil them they sling out the oil and it dries on the blades. There is no easy way to polish the blades it all takes elbow grease.
Wow, Joe you've outdone yourself this time! That thing is beautiful! I bet your Dad loves it too! Really nice work man, but I'm looking forward to your first tree felling once you become a real UA-camr... :-) ~Jeff
I have the same old. GE fan. And it’s all torn apart. But man the stator is pretty rough. Would love to get it working again have done a few old fans and do bodywork and paint for a living. But the electrical isn’t my strong point.
Wow, nice work, love the color, and what a beautiful fan. So if we apply your repair rate of $15 an hour (because you are non union with no benefits) what would be the bill? Not that it matters as you can’t put a price on happiness! Thanks for the enjoyable video.
Lol, $15 an hour is unskilled labor, i should get at least $15.20 an hour 🤣. I am pretty sure (no joke) that unrestored fans are worth much more than restored fans....funny how the antique market values patina. Cheers
Got that fan of mine working today. Turned out to be a lot easier than I thought after I found a new cord. But do you know how hot these things are supposed to get? After letting it run for a while the motor housing gets really hot. I can rest my hand on it without burning myself, but it is slightly uncomfortable. It also smells like the engine in my truck if I get up close to it, which I assume is just from the oil I'm using.
I believe i hooked the ground to one of the base plate bolts. I might restore another fan soon, ill try and do better on showing the details. Was the antique fan forum any help? Cheers
Nice work Joe. Can I ask you to give a bit more time for us (me) to read the comments? It's kinda hard especially if English is not your first language.
my no1 tip for polishing brass is NEVER use abrasive on it or you will need to polish out scratches use lemon juice to eat off the tarnish and oxide until it starts to look pink then wash it dry it and use Autosol metal polish. brasso is no where as good as autosol. final step is clean and lacquer or it will tarnish fast
When you put paint stripper on metal or wood you can put it in a trash bag and let it sit over night and it won’t dry out and does a lot better job works on wood or metal . Kenneth
hi i have the same GE fan as your, can i send to you for repair? Can i have your email as well, Ofc i will pay the nessasary fees. Hoping to get your reply thnks
Lol...that is flattering. Id suggest you actually find someone who knows what they are doing 🤣. If you have questions or think i can be of some help, feel free to send me an email joeheilm@aol.com cheers
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Instead of epoxy to hold the wires in, I like to use a zip tie on the inside of the housing to secure the wires from pulling out. Keeps them solid but reversible if I ever need to get back inside. Not visible either from the outside.
I love Never Dull!
This two-part video has been extremely helpful to me with removing the stator and field windings in order to replace the original head wires with safe modern ones. Although mine is the GE 75423 oscillating model, the motor is the same as yours. Mine also has the four wires, only two of which connect to the speed control in the base. (I have yet to find an explanation for four head wires with two that aren’t connected to anything.) I couldn’t find a way to remove the tight-fitting stator and windings, so your use of a small brass hammer helped me “walk” that assembly out of the motor case. You went the extra mile and had the original color (which GE called “Pullman Green,” after the color of Pullman railway cars) duplicated instead of using Hunter Green from a spray can.
Thanks Jim...the toilet bowl cleaner sounds like a good idea. Cheers
Joe, Will you email me at jimdrake1944 at gmail dot com? I have a question to ask about a stator removal. Thanks in advance for contacting me, but at your convenience.
Joe, Either Lysol or Ace or any toilet-bowl cleaner that has a small amount (usually 8-10%) of hydrochloric acid will remove the tarnish from the brass blades and other brass parts if they’re immersed in the cleaner for 15-30 seconds. If it’s immersed any longer, the brass will turn pink. So it’s important to have a soap-and-water “bath” ready to neutralize and remove the cleaner before the brass turns color. (P.S. Did you get my comment with my email address?)
Great fan, great restore. For all the people who evidently hassle you over your workbench - or process even - not being über clean and Apple-esque I say chill out. Appreciate Joe as a wonderful human being who seems. to me to get a lot of stuff done. Joe, I'm pretty OCD, hyper-organized, and a neat-nic, but I have no illusion that there is a "right way" or "wrong way". And I know I repeat this all the time, but all I know is that I'd love to live down your street, compare notes over coffee, hunt finds together, and help each other solve problems we're each better at. So I also really relate, as I wager all my fellow "regulars" do as well, with the joy of fixing something for someone else. Especially if their problem seemed impossible to them for whatever reason. Supporting each other is what it's all about.
Hi Marc. It is funny you mention living down the street, i met up with a subscriber who lives around the corner from me. Chris and i talked for hours (he has the same drill press i have), so yea i think all of us have a special bond. Perhaps one day we can put together a meet-up like the bar z bash, but for (as scoutcrafter says) us "small fish". Cheers
That turned out beautiful Joe. I can’t believe you didn’t carve a base from a tree you felled with an axe you made but hey, maybe next time. 😆 I also can relate to the “what else do I have that needs epoxy around here” comment and the “screw it I’ll just tape over it” comment. 🤣 Great video man. Keep ‘em coming. 👍🏼
Lol, thanks David. Cheers
I agree David, I'm disappointed he didn't plant an oak with the correct grain 70 years ago as well. Oh well 🤪
Great job, Joe. I know your Dad cherished his refurbed fan.
Great job - thanks for diving in on the wiring issue. Next time consider using liquid electrical tape instead of the RTV black goo. It really looks nice with the dark red color and the brass blades and GE emblem.
My initial line of thinking was flawed, no sort of compound was going to save those rotten wires. However, i agree that liquid electrical tape is great stuff. If they were in better shape the liquid tape would be perfect. Cheers
Joe's Shop You're a genius to have gotten it to work at all before you fixed the mare's nest of wires.
Hello Joe! Awesome project with fantastic results.. The polished brass against the wine colored body really looks great! That picture of you and your Dad- It looks like you are staining a old fashioned Patrol box for scouts!! =) Thanks!!!!!!!
Good eye! My father and i built that box, which was modeled after the patrol boxes we had when I was a Scout. The camping box always draws lots of attention when I go camping. Anyway, thanks! I like the wine and brass color combination. 🍷🍷🍷😂. Cheers
So that answers the four wire question. Great job, and I appreciate the details on painting. I have a similar size motor on a 6 quart White Mountain ice cream maker that needs a redo from the corrosion caused by the rock salt, and this points me in the right direction.
Good luck on ice cream maker, it sounds like a fun restoration. Is there any chance of you uploading your restoration efforts to youtube? Thanks again for the great feedback and comments. Cheers
Success! What a nice fan Joe...dig the color too. BTW I've been using spot puddy since my High School Hot Rod days in the late 60's. Back then everyone called it "Green Stuff." It was green...lol. The brass fan WAS a challenge! I also use Never Dull. After watching Jay Lenos Garage, he featured a product call Quick-Glo. I bought some at Amazon, it's great Stuff! So nice video...carry on! ...Newk from Kentucky
Hi Newk, ill check out the quick glo, i love jay leno's garage. Cheers
Came out great Joe! Really like the fix after the breakdown.
Thanks Alex! I am glad i got forced into digging into it and fixing it properly. Cheers
It looks so awesome!! Good choice with the color, it matches the brass beautifully!!
Thanks! I was picturing a darker red, but i am happy with how it turned out. Cheers
That turned out FANtastic Joe 😉 I bet your dad loved it. Great job xx
Lol...i love a good fan pun 🤣🤣🤣. Thanks! Cheers
Great Job, Joe, that fan blade took alot of elbow grease, it really came out good. I now know what to expect whenever I decide to tackle a fan restoration.
Hi David, thanks for the comment. I'll be happy knowing that this might help someone down the road. Cheers
turned out pretty darn good and I think the added effort on the blades was needed to help make the project!
Thanks Bradley! These were the worst blades ever, i am happy they were not all bent up. Cheers
Joe, thanks so much for videoing this process! It has given me the confidence to tackle rebuilding a GE fan my parents had sitting in a storage shed. My only hesitation is getting the blades to the polished sheen you did. Though the blades on my fan are aluminum, I'm still going to try to get a mirror finish. I suppose patience will win the day with this. Thanks again for such an informative video!
Excellent project and experience in assembling/disassembling fans and their motor, perhaps more than you cared to undertake. 👍👍👍👍👍
Lol, you are so right Milton. This project was way more work than I anticipated, but I got lucky and was able to work through all the issues. The difficult restorations are the most rewarding, for me. Cheers
Nice job. Beautiful restoration.
Thank you Ben! Cheers
Excellent job. Beauty paint. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Brian! I like the red better than the green. Cheers
This turned out amazing! I've always loved old fans. I got a small single speed one of these from 1930 and it didn't even have a cord when I got. But just watching somebody else dive into these motors and wiring is pretty helpful. I definitely don't plan on doing a full resto but really hope to see mine working function again properly.
These old fans are great, they are quiet and move way more air than anything new. Check out the antique fan collector forum (afcf), it is a great resource. Cheers
Thanks for the video. Looking real fancy. Good job.
Thanks for the comment Colin. Cheers
That red color looks sharp! Those brass blades were a lot of work but they look great now!
Those blades took so much work....someone needs to invent some evapo-polish 🤣. Cheers
Great job on the fan Joe and love the colour with the brass 👍
Thanks Sparky! Cheers
Love the final product, I’m glad you stuck with it. I do not understand why anybody would paint brass. Anyway Two 👍🏻 👍🏻.
Hi Cory! Right....who paints brass, crazy people 🤔🤣🤣🤣. Cheers
The fan turned out great!! I really like that satin red. The vintage wire looks great but surprised you didn't use it out to the plug. Great job overall and especially for saving the motor from the crumbling wire insulation. I remember my mother always had a can of a brass polish with the wool stuff in it and it always worked great. Like you said it's for finishing only.
Hi Steve, yea i bought some 3 wire cloth wire, but all i had was a neon orange plug, so i just used a black extention cord. That neve dull is probably just like what your mom used....great stuff. Cheers
Ive seen here and there some "restotations" like this and have always wondered how did THIS happen.... ? Now I know
Thank you.
Nice job. When you selected the color mid video I was skeptical. But as always you were right on target with the color. Beautiful! :-)
Hi Mark, i shared your sentiments, i was a little scared to try the red, but i am happy with the end product. Thanks for the comment. Cheers
Thanks for this one Joe I really learned a lot. It might even give me enough inspiration to do the 1950s military oscillating fan that I have
Hi Bill, thanks for the comment! I am happy to hear that this might be of some use to you and several others. Cheers
Great job Joe. It's gorgeous
Thank you Tom! I really like the dark red and brass for some reason. Cheers
Get some flux when working with old wires & soldering. Without flux it is next to impossible to get your solder to stick to wires. Flux makes all the difference in the world & make sure you get Electronics flux without acid. Then clean it off with Isopropyl Alcohol 99% real good afterwards. I love your videos. You are a very creative guy just like myself! :-)
You teased us by taking some pictures of the fan in the kitchen, but there was still no hot dogs.
Lol...no i am not feeding this thing any hotdogs...not after all that work 🤣🤣🤣
You know, Joe, another good idea for mixing small amounts of epoxy is to buy a cheap playing cards and just pull one out for mixing small amounts when needed! Cheers!
Lloyd that is a great idea! Thanks
Joe, as soon as you said you spotted that green paint inside the base I thought, "Oh no. He's gonna do it again." BTW... I was watching this really late at night and thought there was something wrong with my eyes. Kept wiping them with tissue but still had this out of focus area. Thought maybe my cataract surgery was going bad. Thanks for the heads up on the smudged lens. Just so you know... polished brass is pretty much always worth it.
Lol, that darn smudge...i thought my eyes were going bad to, at first. I enjoy restoring anything with brass parts. Cheers
"Leads me to believe it's, ahhh shit, what do they call it.....paint!" LOL! Classic my friend! I absolutely LOVE your channel buddy! Always makes my day better.
Hi Lloyd, what a nice comment, thank you. Cheers buddy
My Mechanics, I believe, has used a paste made from flour, salt, and vinegar (if memory serves) to take patina off brass parts. Seemed to work rather well.
Awesome! Perfect color.
Thanks db! Cheers
Joe I'm elbow deep into a resto on a Robbins and Meyers fan from the 30s and it is virtually the same fan
Every part is identical.
Very cool...that might explain why "ge" was only stamped on the face of the cage.
If you would like to share some pictures id love to see them and share them in the next viewer project episode. Joeheilm@aol.com
@@joeheilm sent the few pics I have. I'll take a bunch when it is done and send them
I too have several old fans, a 1921 GE as well and those streaks on the blades? that is dried oil. Those are oil cups in the front and rear of the GE's Emerson's also have just one oil ports and if you over oil them they sling out the oil and it dries on the blades. There is no easy way to polish the blades it all takes elbow grease.
Very very good restoration bro 👍👍👍👍and video cool 🤝🤝🤝🤝
Thank you Sir. Cheers
Wow, Joe you've outdone yourself this time! That thing is beautiful! I bet your Dad loves it too! Really nice work man, but I'm looking forward to your first tree felling once you become a real UA-camr... :-) ~Jeff
Lol...hi Jeff! Those guys that carve their own ax handles annoy me 🤣🤣🤣. Cheers
I have the same old. GE fan. And it’s all torn apart. But man the stator is pretty rough. Would love to get it working again have done a few old fans and do bodywork and paint for a living. But the electrical isn’t my strong point.
The antique fan collector forum is a great resource for electrically challenged guy 🤣. Good luck cheers
I hear that. It’s much needed. Lol. Thanks 👍
Wow, nice work, love the color, and what a beautiful fan. So if we apply your repair rate of $15 an hour
(because you are non union with no benefits) what would be the bill? Not that it matters as you can’t put a price on happiness! Thanks for the enjoyable video.
Lol, $15 an hour is unskilled labor, i should get at least $15.20 an hour 🤣. I am pretty sure (no joke) that unrestored fans are worth much more than restored fans....funny how the antique market values patina. Cheers
Got that fan of mine working today. Turned out to be a lot easier than I thought after I found a new cord.
But do you know how hot these things are supposed to get? After letting it run for a while the motor housing gets really hot. I can rest my hand on it without burning myself, but it is slightly uncomfortable. It also smells like the engine in my truck if I get up close to it, which I assume is just from the oil I'm using.
Id refer to the fan collector forum. It might be a bearing alignment issue...just rap on the bearing journal with a rubber mallet
@@joeheilm
Thanks! I'll definitely take a look at that forum.
Great job!
Thanks Mac? Cheers
Great restoration and gift for your father. How many hours did you have in this restoration?
Hi Mike, I would guess 4 or 6 hours of actual labor, which translates into 10 or 12 hours goofing around in the shop. Cheers
Lucky dad!!! Where did you attach the ground?
I believe i hooked the ground to one of the base plate bolts. I might restore another fan soon, ill try and do better on showing the details. Was the antique fan forum any help? Cheers
@@joeheilm Yes :) I was a member there, pre-pandemic; I'm finally picking this project up again now
The rear gear contparment have grase or oil inside?
Grease
Good video! 👍 👍
Thank you Bert! This was a fun project. Cheers
Nice work Joe. Can I ask you to give a bit more time for us (me) to read the comments? It's kinda hard especially if English is not your first language.
Great suggestion! Thank you for the feedback. Cheers
my no1 tip for polishing brass is NEVER use abrasive on it or you will need to polish out scratches use lemon juice to eat off the tarnish and oxide until it starts to look pink then wash it dry it and use Autosol metal polish. brasso is no where as good as autosol. final step is clean and lacquer or it will tarnish fast
Joe I am one of your fans but please don’t sand blast me or paint me red.
Lol, 🤣🤣🤣. You fans are safe...😁 Cheers buddy
When you put paint stripper on metal or wood you can put it in a trash bag and let it sit over night and it won’t dry out and does a lot better job works on wood or metal . Kenneth
hi i have the same GE fan as your, can i send to you for repair? Can i have your email as well, Ofc i will pay the nessasary fees. Hoping to get your reply thnks
Lol...that is flattering. Id suggest you actually find someone who knows what they are doing 🤣. If you have questions or think i can be of some help, feel free to send me an email joeheilm@aol.com cheers