Eddie Brock lived as a coward and he died like a coward, clinging to anything that gives him a speck of power. Props to Topher Grace for his performance, it’s his superb acting skills that make us hate his character.
The funny thing is, every other vilan in this trilogy Even Norman Osborn to a extent is a more sympathetic character then there comics counterpart, yet Venom Eddie Brock who was one of the first Spider-Man villans to make a face heal turn and become a Anti Hero in the comics is a purely unsympathetic villan in this film.
No one really loved Eddie ın the past.So Venom trıcked hım to thınkıng he loves hım but ıt's a really weak versıon of venom ı can say that dyıng on a Goblın grenade.
Eddie Brock maybe a coward. But he is a genius. If only he finished Spider man off a lot sooner. It's unfortunate that a good character like Eddie Brock had been ruined.
The biggest problem with this Venom was the lack of screentime. I think the whole "evil Peter Parker doppelganger" version of Venom is a really cool idea. It just needed an entire movie, not 15 mins at the end.
Just wanna add since no one has mentioned it, but this is the first version of Venom in life action to use spiderwebs. To make this more interesting, he shoots his webs from the top of his hand just like his comic book version/black suit Peter Parker version. Very nice touch of consistency.
it bothers me so much that almost every adaption we get of venom on screen he never shoots webs. Tom hardys venom is more like the ultimate version. Not even insomanics venom swings he just jumps.
I still think from all Spider-Man media, the effect of the symbiote going over the body and creating the mask/ suit is hands down the best. The different strands pouring down and then combining is magic to watch. All the other media have more of a water effect but I like this individual strand effect the best.
@@swoopsack3368 I can see where you, and many other people, come from, but I actually really like this design. Him being skinny, makes him appear much more like a twisted and evil version of Spider-Man. I really love that
I’m all honesty I don’t really like how Tom hardy venom looks he looks way too animated and out off place I honestly dig this design more but I like Tom hardys venom voice more
@@geekyprogrammer4831 yeah he's really not the iconic venom anymore is he now he's just a simbiote joke isn't he he doesn't even look close to intimidating or real like the Sam raimi venom that was way better than the modern no spider insignia and no spider powers venom
It’s anger towards Peter is that it feels rejected, think of the venom symbiotic relationship as a love triangle. And it uses Eddie Brock’s anger as fuel to get back at Peter.
This dude would've been a good Venom with his campy one liners. But he wasn't in it too long. He makes Venom believable when he is actually in the suit.
Yea I think he was a good interpretation of basically a more obnoxious version of Peter for him to be forced in the movie by the studio Sam Rami did a good job incorporating him last minute with some story
Nah he sucked as venom but he could have been a good Carnage just needed to be a little more caotic. His laugh is on point for Kassidy and his mannerism.
@@Goaty9116 Other way around, his Eddie brock was winnie pathetic and didn't act like Eddie at all. Eddie is a complete asshole towards Peter and he is not shy about showing it. The way he was potrayed in the movie is a bit of a douchebag, obnoxious and selfobsessed with no morals. That's not Eddie brocks character, Edddie thinks he is a good person and tries to be somewhat but he has a screwed sense of morals. When he becomes Venom he thinks he can do things better than Spidey and ultimately tries to prove himself to everyone. However when he realizes that he can't take Spideys place his lust for revenge takes over and he tries to kill him.
This movie doesn't really explore Venom as a separate being from Eddie like the new ones. It's just kind of Eddie and Venom being completely one until they are separated. Very different vibes, but both are really good.
my good man thats because they were originally one to begin with. How he was originally in the comics and how he has been for decades. Venom is supposed to be a combination of Eddie Brock, plus the scorned Symbiote. Hence "We are Venom" line. Hence the dark dual voice he had in other media for years. Because its not the symbiote doing all the work in there or "Venom" as the 2018 film is. Its both of them controlling the ship. They are both one and dont refer to themselves as venom when separated. Picture it like Vultron or the megazord on power rangers. With out one piece. It not the megazord.
There are only 3 traits that make the Venom Character 1 A human being who hates SpiderMan for ruining both his career and reputation and wants revenge. 2 An alien costume that it hates Peter Parker for the rejection of the bonding. 3 The Alien and the Human bond together to kill the very same man they both hate. This movie actually filled these 3 points for the character perfectly fine. But the new Venom movies somehow choose to ignore all of this and instead just gives us a a random symbiote bonding with some random dude and they called them Venom and Edward for marketing. I guess next they will make a movie about Ben Reilly without Peter Parker....
@@GanteSpruce I couldn't have said it better myself... Alot of people don't realize that this is the true original version of this character. And that this is one of the reasons why he was so compelling to begin with. But with these knew movies out they have changed it to their own separate entities that have the names venom and carnage already. The host has no meaning other than just being what seems like physicaly capable
Because this is how Venom's character was in a comic book. The simbiot didn't suppose to call himself Venom or be a separate being with his own personality in the first place. Venom was born when Eddie bounded with the simbiot that was rejected by Spider-Man. "We are Venom" hence the combination of Eddie Brock and the simbiot. The poison to Peter Parker and Spider-Man. What Sony did to this character is a parody sketch under PG-13 and nothing more.
I’m just gonna say it. I like this version of Eddie way more than Tom Hardy’s. Yeah it wasn’t the best casting choice but I get way more Eddie Brock vibes from Topher than Tom. The age is more accurate, the hair color, the disdain for Peter Parker, it checks the boxes. Toms can’t go more than 30 seconds without dropping a cheesy comedy bit to break the tension and make his version of venom seem like a stand up comedian. Tophers was actually a bit terrifying when his face was covered. Superhero movies just don’t like to take themselves seriously anymore and it’s really highlighting how good this movie and others like actually were.
Since the alien Symbiote was first bonded with Spider-Man Eddie has now gained all access to Spider-Man’s powers memories and the ability to block his spider sense.
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The aerial fights in Spider Man never get old. What I love about Spider Man is not only just the story, but also the aerial fights. If I was Spider Man I would be doing aerial fights all day with the enemies I was fighting.
In spiderman web of shadows he does more aerial combat and Yh I’d love to see more aerial combat in the future for spiderman as I think all live action spiderman have done a lot off aerial combat I think the coolest we’ve ever seen aerial combat be done is with tasm when he was fighting electro in the final battle
If they combined Tom Hardy's Venom appearance and voice, and the sympathy he evokes as Eddie with Topher Grace's Venom scream, spider symbol, the manner in which his Eddie encounters the symbiote and his (and the symbiote's) sheer hatred for Spider-Man, it would make the best version of the character.
Hopefully they go for a more horror oriented approach when they do the symbiote arc for Peter and finally have him fight Venom. I think the story works amazing to essentially have Venom represent the consequences of Peters actions with the suit. We havent had scary/villian Venom (that was decently written) since Spectacular Spider-Man in 2008-2009 and every version since stays away from the horror aspect way too much. Villian Venom needs a good comeback.
You don’t understand! Topher graces version of venom was pure evil and coldblooded he was a demon with no emotions and no empathy! Topher grace was the only Evil venom ever created he was the most terrifying version of venom. All other venoms are anti heros. And Topher grace Eddie / venom was even more terrifying then Cletus / Carnage
Spider-Man 3 was originally planned to be a longer film split into 2 parts. The moment at 0:19 where Venom eats the camera was going to be the cliffhanger of Part 1.
@@virgogaming6488 I’m not too big on a forced and uninspired version of Venom being in this movie, but Spider-Man 3 having a Vol. 1 and a Vol. 2 would at least make the film less crammed together.
@@virgogaming6488 Yeah! Sam Raimi isn't the only one, Sony just needed to make another trilogy saga of Tobey Maguire's Spidey vs. The Symbiote Family, and hire either Tim Burton or James Cameron to do it.
@@isaacclarke4229 You speak the truth. I just love how Topher delivers his lines with malevolent glee and sexual innuendo. "MY SPIDER SENSE IS TINGLING. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT." And he maliciously twists an intimate term of endearment between Peter and MJ. "SO WHAT DO YOU SAY, TIGER ???"
It's great to read about Venom on Wikipedia, and all the other Marvel superheroes and -villains he's bonded with. I remember reading that issue, way back in '84 when I was 14, when Peter took his new suit to the Fantastic Four to be examined. You fans that have read that issue know what I'm talking about. That last panel, where the symbiote rises up in the shape of a man inside the capsule it's being held in....all I could think was, "Oh, man. This thing's gonna be trouble!" Venom's just one of the greatest comic-book villains ever conceived.
@@shacharlem4424 yeah, but the villain part is an important part of his history. Try to imagine erasing Jason Todd being the 2nd Robin from his story or creating Ben Riley and/or Kane parker without Spider-man .
I love how despite not liking Venom as a character, Sam Raimi still did the best he could and just channeled all of his horror experience into his portrayal of the symbiote. I feel like the only two things I didn’t like about this Venom was the lack of voice change and “I like being bad. It makes me happy.”
@comicnerd29 His portrayal in this movie fits carnage more the screeching, claws, skinny body, I mean just give him more of a serial killer personality and make the suit red and boom carnage
This venom shouldve got his own movie. Hes brutal. Hes vicious. Was a loser before the suit. Could write a good story with redemption for topher grace's edddie. But we got another comedy movie
honestly i really like how they portrayed the symbiote in this film. It acts more like a parasite than an intelligent being, as it doesn't have its own dialogue or anything, the host is in control but they slowly loose their mind. You can also see how when Eddie takes it off, its grown much larger, implying that it was using him to get more powerful.
Things I like about this Venom: Spider symbol, enemy of Spider-Man, comic accurate first transformation, terrifying, Eddie actually having control over Venom's powers. Things I like about Tom Hardy Venom: Big and bulky, the two beings communicating, anti-hero, they refer to themselves as "We" Both versions have everything the other is missing.
Bro imagine if this venom had his own movie like being the main villian he starts skinner but the more angrier he gets the more heads he bites of the musclier and bigger he gets and as end credit we get carnage boom oh man
I like how even when Eddie jumps in the symbiote seems to kinda block the whole rebonding process. It’s fitting when you understand that venom only wants to be with Peter
Since the symbiote was first bonded with Spider-Man Eddie has now gained all access to Spider-Man powers and memories also the ability to block his spider sense
For everyone criticizing Topher Grace's casting as Eddie being so horrible, he's not really miscast because he's based off of the ultimate comic's iteration of the character, Sam rushed venom in the movie and didn't look that deep into the comics and since the ultimates series was still running at the time, that's likely where he got his reference, taking that into consideration personally made me look at the casting choice a lot different, it's not really a fair criticism on the movie because he does a good job its just depends on which version of Eddie you like better
Topher version of venom will always be my favorite , when we first meet him , he’s kind of mean to Peter and then lies on him , keep in mind that it was the Symbiote controlling peters actions when he broke Eddie’s camera 📷 . In my personal opinion I do think Peter went too far when he embarrassed Eddie at their work place , he should’ve just said that if he lies again , he’s telling Jamieson . Keep in mind that is not really Peter doing it , It’s the symbiote controlling his actions . Even when Peter pulls eddie out of venom , eddie doesn’t attack Peter , In my opinion I think the symbiotie gives people a taste of what they want to do but does it in a aggressive way . For example , when the rent guy ask Peter for rent Peter tells him two times nicely to leave him alone but the third time we see Peter snap and yell at the man , clearly Peter does not act like this but he probably has wanted to do this for a long time and the symbiote knows that and give Peter a taste of his desire . Peter even tells Eddie that the Symbiote is like a drug , when you put it on it feels great and then you get addicted to it and you will lose your humanity and morality . Peter basically tells Eddie that he’s sorry for ruining Eddie’s career and his relationship with Gwen . I do feel kind of sympathy towards tophers venom because it’s mostly peters fault . Let me explain , after mj breaks up with Peter ( to save his life from herry ) Peter disability put on the Symbiote suit knowing that it well change him . But in all a good movie and since we have the multiverse , I’d love to a version of a world where tophers venom killed spider man . I’d love to see topher play as venom again , maybe even his venom and Tom Hardy’s venom fight each other . I think that would be cool .
One little detail I like is when Peter is fighting Venom solo. He can only hear Venom, but can’t sense him with the spider sense. It’s consistent with the comics because Pete can’t sense venom with the Spider Sense. Just a cool little detail I liked
I love Topher Grace, he is the best part in Spider Man 3. And Spider-Man 3 is my favorite Spider-Man film since I was a little boy, it was better than the first and second in my opinion.
it's cool to see traces of the test screening left behind, the skull having sharp teeth, eddie having sharp teeth in the movie, eddies body being mutilated and melted as the symbiote is bonding with him, (this is a trace in the movie cause you cannot see Eddie's mouth when venom screeches, supporting the fact that it mutilated his face unmasked, making venoms mouth biology most likely.
@grimey3480 Last I checked he always expressed remorse for getting innocence people killed and he never took Mary Watson hostage, atleast not in the mainstream universe.
@@robertkenny1201 Actually in the original comics he will kill without hesitation if it's for his own benefit, the "remorse" is just a way to further delude himself into thinking he's the hero. Also, he literally went to Peter's house just to traumatize MJ in his first appearance. Also also, he tells Peter that he will hurt even more innocent people if Peter doesn't accept his 1-on-1 fight in his second appearance.
Best movie villain. Hands down. The only downside is that he should’ve been more muscular. That would’ve made him even more intimidating and more powerful.
Another downside is the fact venom was in this movie they should've had him be the main villain in a 4th movie instead of forcing Rami to have Venom be in this one. But even tho this movie wasn't perfect Rami did actually do pretty good with placing Venom into the plot here this movie doesn't deserve the hate tbh
@@Profileunused That was an idea because Raimi and his crew were going through different ideas to branch out the story but Sony wanted everything into one big mess
I just noticed something. In 0:03 you can see a watch on Eddie's left wrist. But in 0:05 and when the symbiote bonds to Eddie, you can clearly see that Eddie's watch is on his right wrist.
Interestingly while Tom Hardys Eddie Brock is probably the least evil version of the character this version of Eddie Brock is the most evil version of the character.
Venom is two separate beings Peter Parker’s rival the former daily bugle reporter Eddie Brock and the alien symbiote that had once masqueraded as Spider-Man’s black and white costume
The only thing I hated about this Venom was it's screen time. As much as I ADORE Spider-Man 3 final battle, I finally confess that ending the movie with the church scene (btw, Sandman should have been more important for the movie in this case) and saving Venom as the main villain for Spider-Man 4 would have been way better. Plus leaving the conflict of the New Goblin and Sandman for that movie as well, so we would have still gotten that epic final battle, perhaps an even better one
I remember when I was young this venom absolutely terrified me and scarred me for life, Yeah I used to the dislike this venom after hearing about Spider-Man 3's flaws, but after witnessing the absolute joke of Tom Hardy's venom, I'm starting to appreciate this version of venom a whole lot more now!
Idk why he gets so much hate, he was kind of epic...the design, the campiness, the makeup, Topher's acting, the voice effects. I kinda wish he'd been in it a little more so that his character wasn't as 2 dimensional (though I suppose all the emotional depth went to sandman lol)
I believe the reason Topher Grace didn't get the recognition here was because of how his character in That 70s Show was portrayed. Eric's naive and nice guy vs. Eddie's evil and narcissist Maybe Venom 3 will provide a hive multiverse concept where Topher's and Tom Hardy's Eddie are put in a scene together
1:20 ouu, my spider-sense is tingling. why so many people forget this scene and say "they never say spider-sense in all the Spiderman movies"? Or did they never see Spiderman before the MCU era? ️👀
Topher's Venom was like Spider-Man in reverse. Evil, terrible, insignificant, envious, pathetic, like a slug, bile. I'm glad his design wasn't big like in the comics, he looked much more dangerous, like a man who got the wrong power without responsibility. This Venom is a damn good character, despite the fact that Raimi didn't want to include him in the script. However, he became the key antagonist of the three villains. I love this Venom. He is the epitome of Spider-Man's evil adversary. Tom Hardy's Venom smokes on the sidelines.
Well, probably not really his fault. He never intended to have Venom in the film but the studio forced him to do so anyway. He also didn't understand how to use the character and thats why it shows in this
Sam liked his actors to be able to do that. Act. His Spider-Man movies were more like symbolic dramas than action movies. Also, that was one of his concept artists ideas. To have the symbiote grip his face, hold open his eye lids, and bring Brock out during the talking. It's a psychological thing that is supposed to help you relate to Eddie more, or at least take him more seriously. Lizard brain mechanics deep in human subconscious where we can more easily empathize with a human.
At least Peter tried to save Eddie from dying. Eddie may have lost everything but he didn’t have to make himself look like a fool and kill himself like that. Peter probably would’ve helped Eddie get like a job something so he can succeed and get back on his feet again.
Eddie Brock’s Death shows that he such a nothing person, the time that he felt the most like himself is being controlled by a parasite and when he is saved from the parasite would rather die with it than redeem himself
i like how its similar to the comics story wise. because venom himself takes on a distorted look the peters black suit witch is smooth with white eyes and spider. and its the same in spiderman 3 its a distorted version of tobeys black suit. its more accurate than people think. this verson is more accurate to venom then people wanna give raimi credit for.
Though Topher was good for this version of the character. Only gripes still are spideys black suit just being a color swap and then venom basically being the same thing. Would like to have seen proper symbiote suit for spidey and then Venom actually look like matter not a costume.
Eddie Brock lived as a coward and he died like a coward, clinging to anything that gives him a speck of power. Props to Topher Grace for his performance, it’s his superb acting skills that make us hate his character.
The funny thing is, every other vilan in this trilogy Even Norman Osborn to a extent is a more sympathetic character then there comics counterpart, yet Venom Eddie Brock who was one of the first Spider-Man villans to make a face heal turn and become a Anti Hero in the comics is a purely unsympathetic villan in this film.
I'd say jumping towards a grenade is something else
What an irony
No one really loved Eddie ın the past.So Venom trıcked hım to thınkıng he loves hım but ıt's a really weak versıon of venom ı can say that dyıng on a Goblın grenade.
Eddie Brock maybe a coward. But he is a genius. If only he finished Spider man off a lot sooner. It's unfortunate that a good character like Eddie Brock had been ruined.
The biggest problem with this Venom was the lack of screentime. I think the whole "evil Peter Parker doppelganger" version of Venom is a really cool idea. It just needed an entire movie, not 15 mins at the end.
5:00
5:34 is more like it. The duration of this video was actually all of his screen time.😅
The whole problem with the movie and it's bad reception was that it has too many characters
Sam raimi wanted to introduce venom in spiderman 4 and use the dynamic u described
@@ishowedyouthat2575idk why sony forced raimi to do it. We would have 1 or 2 better movies if it was a villain per movie
Just wanna add since no one has mentioned it, but this is the first version of Venom in life action to use spiderwebs. To make this more interesting, he shoots his webs from the top of his hand just like his comic book version/black suit Peter Parker version. Very nice touch of consistency.
Very nice.
it bothers me so much that almost every adaption we get of venom on screen he never shoots webs. Tom hardys venom is more like the ultimate version. Not even insomanics venom swings he just jumps.
I still think from all Spider-Man media, the effect of the symbiote going over the body and creating the mask/ suit is hands down the best. The different strands pouring down and then combining is magic to watch. All the other media have more of a water effect but I like this individual strand effect the best.
Topher Grace Venom scares me as a child. It still does to this day. Tom Hardy Venom is just funny.
and I think it should have stayed that way, I prefer Venom as a villain
And ridiculous
@@alanmathias6706 in a good way or bad way?
Tom Hardy's Venom design had so much potential. A shame they decided to make him funny and comedic instead of terrifying and menacing.
@@gabrielf.ferreira9132 a bad way
Topher was awesome as venom..the dialog when he takes parkers mask off is so calculated so much facial emotion in just a few lines was brilliant.
Tom hardy is far more better
@@chrisrenshaw6291his venom is not even scary
@@JangoBladerExactly. That’s why I like Topher Graces Venom better.
@@JangoBlader at least he ain't skinny
@@swoopsack3368 I can see where you, and many other people, come from, but I actually really like this design. Him being skinny, makes him appear much more like a twisted and evil version of Spider-Man. I really love that
I think this Venom’s scream is more terrifying but the new one is way more visually terrifying.
New Venom's scream is not terrifying
@@abhinav6462 He said that the new version is VISUALLY terrifying.
I’m all honesty I don’t really like how Tom hardy venom looks he looks way too animated and out off place I honestly dig this design more but I like Tom hardys venom voice more
New Venom is a comic relief character unlike this one
@@geekyprogrammer4831 yeah he's really not the iconic venom anymore is he now he's just a simbiote joke isn't he he doesn't even look close to intimidating or real like the Sam raimi venom that was way better than the modern no spider insignia and no spider powers venom
You could tell Brock was loving this.
You sure he was sco
I don’t care what everyone say, I love this Venom
Same here
Same
Same I love venom
@@itz-Aditya-786 I find this Venom a success it was part of my childhood and I will always find it better
@@Weegee5555 yes venom is my hero🌈🔥⚡
Spidey should have just called Red to take care of Venom to spare him the humiliation of being beaten up by a loser like Eric.
one dumbass from red will end it all
@ Exactly.
It’s anger towards Peter is that it feels rejected, think of the venom symbiotic relationship as a love triangle. And it uses Eddie Brock’s anger as fuel to get back at Peter.
@@sethheaddress2651 That comment was a joke.
Who's Eric ?
This Venom is more scarier than Tom Hardy's Venom
Thank Sam Rami for that
It’s amazing that Eric Foreman is scarier than Tom Hardy who played Bane🤣🤣
Exactly, this venom is better than Tom Hardy’s Venom
Tom Hardy's one is some kind of a joke :')
Exactly
I love the design of Venom in this movie. The creepy similarities to Spider-Man's suit are a very nice touch.
He was screechy n wild
...I loved it also
😡😡🤐
Nah the rebooted one is much better.
@@X2A Respect opinions.
@@X2A Yes, although it would've been better if it had a symbol and some hand patches.
This version of Venom is basically a less crazy Carnage.
The best Spiderman, the best Harry Osborn and the best Eddie Brock.
The best sandman.
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@@mastershake6292 Yes
eddie brooke? you meant eddie brock
This dude would've been a good Venom with his campy one liners. But he wasn't in it too long. He makes Venom believable when he is actually in the suit.
Yea I think he was a good interpretation of basically a more obnoxious version of Peter for him to be forced in the movie by the studio Sam Rami did a good job incorporating him last minute with some story
Nah he sucked as venom but he could have been a good Carnage just needed to be a little more caotic. His laugh is on point for Kassidy and his mannerism.
@@gustaf3811 he was a good Eddie Brock but bad venom
He was fine. The Venom suit just sucked. He should've been bigger.
@@Goaty9116 Other way around, his Eddie brock was winnie pathetic and didn't act like Eddie at all.
Eddie is a complete asshole towards Peter and he is not shy about showing it.
The way he was potrayed in the movie is a bit of a douchebag, obnoxious and selfobsessed with no morals.
That's not Eddie brocks character, Edddie thinks he is a good person and tries to be somewhat but he has a screwed sense of morals.
When he becomes Venom he thinks he can do things better than Spidey and ultimately tries to prove himself to everyone. However when he realizes that he can't take Spideys place his lust for revenge takes over and he tries to kill him.
This movie doesn't really explore Venom as a separate being from Eddie like the new ones. It's just kind of Eddie and Venom being completely one until they are separated. Very different vibes, but both are really good.
The new ones are crap, utter and complete crap
my good man thats because they were originally one to begin with. How he was originally in the comics and how he has been for decades. Venom is supposed to be a combination of Eddie Brock, plus the scorned Symbiote. Hence "We are Venom" line. Hence the dark dual voice he had in other media for years. Because its not the symbiote doing all the work in there or "Venom" as the 2018 film is. Its both of them controlling the ship. They are both one and dont refer to themselves as venom when separated. Picture it like Vultron or the megazord on power rangers. With out one piece. It not the megazord.
There are only 3 traits that make the Venom Character
1 A human being who hates SpiderMan for ruining both his career and reputation and wants revenge.
2 An alien costume that it hates Peter Parker for the rejection of the bonding.
3 The Alien and the Human bond together to kill the very same man they both hate.
This movie actually filled these 3 points for the character perfectly fine.
But the new Venom movies somehow choose to ignore all of this and instead just gives us a a random symbiote bonding with some random dude and they called them Venom and Edward for marketing.
I guess next they will make a movie about Ben Reilly without Peter Parker....
@@GanteSpruce I couldn't have said it better myself... Alot of people don't realize that this is the true original version of this character. And that this is one of the reasons why he was so compelling to begin with. But with these knew movies out they have changed it to their own separate entities that have the names venom and carnage already. The host has no meaning other than just being what seems like physicaly capable
Because this is how Venom's character was in a comic book. The simbiot didn't suppose to call himself Venom or be a separate being with his own personality in the first place. Venom was born when Eddie bounded with the simbiot that was rejected by Spider-Man. "We are Venom" hence the combination of Eddie Brock and the simbiot. The poison to Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
What Sony did to this character is a parody sketch under PG-13 and nothing more.
I’m just gonna say it. I like this version of Eddie way more than Tom Hardy’s. Yeah it wasn’t the best casting choice but I get way more Eddie Brock vibes from Topher than Tom. The age is more accurate, the hair color, the disdain for Peter Parker, it checks the boxes. Toms can’t go more than 30 seconds without dropping a cheesy comedy bit to break the tension and make his version of venom seem like a stand up comedian. Tophers was actually a bit terrifying when his face was covered. Superhero movies just don’t like to take themselves seriously anymore and it’s really highlighting how good this movie and others like actually were.
Have read any early venom comic?
@@erik4099 who even cares about that? Cry.
@@Itsyaboymega4537 me dumbass. And many others, the venom movies are amazing adaptations of his comics
Lol you know nothing about Venom or Eddie Brock. If you think this is accurate, try reading a comic in your life 😂
@@Itsyaboymega4537 Comic book fans care of course.
Since the alien Symbiote was first bonded with Spider-Man Eddie has now gained all access to Spider-Man’s powers memories and the ability to block his spider sense.
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John 1:10 KJV
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
@@jesusisgod2953 Well, glad you know your Bible verses, but how is it relevant to this comment?
Totally agree no wonder spideys spider sense didn't work when venom creeped up on him.
@@aidanfox9505 yes
@@phillipwalling7470 spider-man: into the bible verse
The aerial fights in Spider Man never get old. What I love about Spider Man is not only just the story, but also the aerial fights. If I was Spider Man I would be doing aerial fights all day with the enemies I was fighting.
In spiderman web of shadows he does more aerial combat and Yh I’d love to see more aerial combat in the future for spiderman as I think all live action spiderman have done a lot off aerial combat I think the coolest we’ve ever seen aerial combat be done is with tasm when he was fighting electro in the final battle
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3:23 I love the CGI of the Symbiote
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Thank you I knew I wasn’t the only one I wanted it to be like that in the venom movies
What amazes me is this cgi makes it look more real than 2018 venom
If they combined Tom Hardy's Venom appearance and voice, and the sympathy he evokes as Eddie with Topher Grace's Venom scream, spider symbol, the manner in which his Eddie encounters the symbiote and his (and the symbiote's) sheer hatred for Spider-Man, it would make the best version of the character.
Hopefully they go for a more horror oriented approach when they do the symbiote arc for Peter and finally have him fight Venom. I think the story works amazing to essentially have Venom represent the consequences of Peters actions with the suit. We havent had scary/villian Venom (that was decently written) since Spectacular Spider-Man in 2008-2009 and every version since stays away from the horror aspect way too much. Villian Venom needs a good comeback.
I think the Spider-Man 3 venom is the best it’s scary and sad all at the same time
Venom Face turns Human Face Aka Eddie Brock He’s Alien Like Monster Half Spider man And Human Form His Face
He Looks Creepy And scary Like The beldam From Coraline
You don’t understand! Topher graces version of venom was pure evil and coldblooded he was a demon with no emotions and no empathy!
Topher grace was the only Evil venom ever created he was the most terrifying version of venom.
All other venoms are anti heros.
And Topher grace Eddie / venom was even more terrifying then Cletus / Carnage
Damn this open matte version definitely pops out more than the high-definition Blu-Ray version.
Spider-Man 3 was originally planned to be a longer film split into 2 parts.
The moment at 0:19 where Venom eats the camera was going to be the cliffhanger of Part 1.
They should have done that instead.
@@virgogaming6488
I’m not too big on a forced and uninspired version of Venom being in this movie,
but Spider-Man 3 having a Vol. 1 and a Vol. 2 would at least make the film less crammed together.
@@KenMasters.Or get a director who likes Venom.
@@virgogaming6488
Yeah!
Sam Raimi isn't the only one, Sony just needed to make another trilogy saga of Tobey Maguire's Spidey vs. The Symbiote Family, and hire either Tim Burton or James Cameron to do it.
3:54 That smile was so scary. I really wanted to see more of his performance as Venom. It looked like a horror movie.
3:59
Very glad to see from the comments section that there are still numerous fans of Topher Graces portrayal of Venom in Spiderman 3.
He'll YES brother! He was much better than the new version.
@@isaacclarke4229 You speak the truth.
I just love how Topher delivers his lines with malevolent glee and sexual innuendo. "MY SPIDER SENSE IS TINGLING. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT."
And he maliciously twists an intimate term of endearment between Peter and MJ.
"SO WHAT DO YOU SAY, TIGER ???"
Same here.
I used to think everyone hated him
New version is for kids, nothing wrong with it but too childish for adults.
@@DarknessIsThePathVenom was like that in the comics
"Never wound what you can't kill" 🔥
That 70s show being one of my favorite shows just makes watching him so weird all I can think of is Eric
It's just like one of Eric's dreams
Eric when he has enough with life
It’s like Eric with superpowers.
5:16 he really did love that thing
It's great to read about Venom on Wikipedia, and all the other Marvel superheroes and -villains he's bonded with. I remember reading that issue, way back in '84 when I was 14, when Peter took his new suit to the Fantastic Four to be examined. You fans that have read that issue know what I'm talking about. That last panel, where the symbiote rises up in the shape of a man inside the capsule it's being held in....all I could think was, "Oh, man. This thing's gonna be trouble!" Venom's just one of the greatest comic-book villains ever conceived.
Today, Eddie is more of an anti hero.
@@shacharlem4424 yeah, but the villain part is an important part of his history. Try to imagine erasing Jason Todd being the 2nd Robin from his story or creating Ben Riley and/or Kane parker without Spider-man .
I love how despite not liking Venom as a character, Sam Raimi still did the best he could and just channeled all of his horror experience into his portrayal of the symbiote.
I feel like the only two things I didn’t like about this Venom was the lack of voice change and “I like being bad. It makes me happy.”
I think this line of dialogue was pretty fitting for this Eddie.
@@dis_inferno9173 no
I still think that Topher Grace would make a better Carnage than Venom.
I'm sure most people would agree.
Yep
well, we would
@@MrCwazie No not really
@comicnerd29 His portrayal in this movie fits carnage more the screeching, claws, skinny body, I mean just give him more of a serial killer personality and make the suit red and boom carnage
I like the fact that a weapon of the villain from a previous movie is giving the current villain the ultimate death shot!
Still find it hard to believe that this guy is Eric from That 70's show
I love how Sandman throws him away and walks off
@boobie maniac he a braver man than me. I would’ve been terrified if an alien screamed in my face
@Hoedatboi i
This Venom was more a Menace than the present Carnage was bro wth
I love this version of venom he my favorite and his screech is terrifying
This venom shouldve got his own movie. Hes brutal. Hes vicious. Was a loser before the suit. Could write a good story with redemption for topher grace's edddie. But we got another comedy movie
honestly i really like how they portrayed the symbiote in this film. It acts more like a parasite than an intelligent being, as it doesn't have its own dialogue or anything, the host is in control but they slowly loose their mind. You can also see how when Eddie takes it off, its grown much larger, implying that it was using him to get more powerful.
Tbh if the design was red he would be a perfect carnage
And if his voice was a little bit more demonic, then he would nail Carnage. Remember, Carnage is like Venom but more insane and more evil.
@@123ucryeah if Venom is this evil in the raimiverse then I can’t imagine how evil Carnage would be.
Damn I must have missed this episode of that 70s show
Haha ! Good one. And wheres Donna
Things I like about this Venom: Spider symbol, enemy of Spider-Man, comic accurate first transformation, terrifying, Eddie actually having control over Venom's powers.
Things I like about Tom Hardy Venom: Big and bulky, the two beings communicating, anti-hero, they refer to themselves as "We"
Both versions have everything the other is missing.
Have to say the CHI and special effects of this movie were great
Because of the multiverse thing, i would like to see him again with tom hardy's venom in the next venom movie
first movie to sell 0 tickets
@@deathgripsoverrater9285 why are you so salty? he's not that bad as venom tho.
@@deathgripsoverrater9285Tbh, Worst comment ever
The Brightness of the movie looks like a 2020-2021 Version
He is way better then Tom hardy!!!
@@elmaz46 no he's not
@@swoopsack3368 he definitely is.
the way they animated the symbiotes movement was soo ahead of its time
"I fought an alien made out of black goo once"
Damn this quality is crazy good wtf???
Can see everything way better
You wanna kill the Spider.. I wanna kill the Spider... Together, he doesn't stand a chance..
Found it cool how Harry died the same way his father did. Great writing
Bro imagine if this venom had his own movie like being the main villian he starts skinner but the more angrier he gets the more heads he bites of the musclier and bigger he gets and as end credit we get carnage boom oh man
him as venom>>
I like how even when Eddie jumps in the symbiote seems to kinda block the whole rebonding process. It’s fitting when you understand that venom only wants to be with Peter
I love it what they turned Foreman into
Ironically, Eric mentioned Spider-Man when fighting that football fan in the crowd at the Packers vs Bears game in 70s show...lol
He couldn't master the Jedi arts so he went in a different direction.
@@lastgreathand-drawnproduct3843 he really seek a religion, a religion of star wars
Since the symbiote was first bonded with Spider-Man Eddie has now gained all access to Spider-Man powers and memories also the ability to block his spider sense
For everyone criticizing Topher Grace's casting as Eddie being so horrible, he's not really miscast because he's based off of the ultimate comic's iteration of the character, Sam rushed venom in the movie and didn't look that deep into the comics and since the ultimates series was still running at the time, that's likely where he got his reference, taking that into consideration personally made me look at the casting choice a lot different, it's not really a fair criticism on the movie because he does a good job its just depends on which version of Eddie you like better
One of my favorite movies tho tbh
Topher version of venom will always be my favorite , when we first meet him , he’s kind of mean to Peter and then lies on him , keep in mind that it was the Symbiote controlling peters actions when he broke Eddie’s camera 📷 . In my personal opinion I do think Peter went too far when he embarrassed Eddie at their work place , he should’ve just said that if he lies again , he’s telling Jamieson . Keep in mind that is not really Peter doing it , It’s the symbiote controlling his actions . Even when Peter pulls eddie out of venom , eddie doesn’t attack Peter , In my opinion I think the symbiotie gives people a taste of what they want to do but does it in a aggressive way . For example , when the rent guy ask Peter for rent Peter tells him two times nicely to leave him alone but the third time we see Peter snap and yell at the man , clearly Peter does not act like this but he probably has wanted to do this for a long time and the symbiote knows that and give Peter a taste of his desire . Peter even tells Eddie that the Symbiote is like a drug , when you put it on it feels great and then you get addicted to it and you will lose your humanity and morality . Peter basically tells Eddie that he’s sorry for ruining Eddie’s career and his relationship with Gwen . I do feel kind of sympathy towards tophers venom because it’s mostly peters fault . Let me explain , after mj breaks up with Peter ( to save his life from herry ) Peter disability put on the Symbiote suit knowing that it well change him . But in all a good movie and since we have the multiverse , I’d love to a version of a world where tophers venom killed spider man . I’d love to see topher play as venom again , maybe even his venom and Tom Hardy’s venom fight each other . I think that would be cool .
One little detail I like is when Peter is fighting Venom solo. He can only hear Venom, but can’t sense him with the spider sense. It’s consistent with the comics because Pete can’t sense venom with the Spider Sense.
Just a cool little detail I liked
I like the full screen version better because you can see the whole view.
I love Topher Grace, he is the best part in Spider Man 3. And Spider-Man 3 is my favorite Spider-Man film since I was a little boy, it was better than the first and second in my opinion.
same thoughts
Me too
I agree sony ruined it but it wasn't venom fault
I think thé big problem with this venom is apereance. Topher did good job as tom hardy
I just can’t get over the fact that he is also Eric in That 70s Show
@user-ez5ge3dy5u about time.
3:50 “I like being bad. It makes me happy. 😈”
Mad not bad
@@RaM-yl9zphe said bad not mad can you hear? Turn on the subtitles or hear what he says again
That sounds like something Carnage would say
I finished That 70s Show finale 20 minutes ago. Man it is so bizzare to see Eric in this.
Bro same!
Yeah, it really wierd
it's cool to see traces of the test screening left behind, the skull having sharp teeth, eddie having sharp teeth in the movie, eddies body being mutilated and melted as the symbiote is bonding with him, (this is a trace in the movie cause you cannot see Eddie's mouth when venom screeches, supporting the fact that it mutilated his face unmasked, making venoms mouth biology most likely.
One of the most questionable decisions about Venom is to show Eddie's face more than Venom's face. What a waste.
It same with spiderman. To capture the emotion of an actor. Didn't you wonder why tobey unmask himself during almost every fight
@@herdiantz8545 Yea, in the end, but with Venom, the 90% of his on screen time is unmasked, something that a lot of people didn't like.
CGI wastes money
Producers wanted to see their actor in the scenes. That's why they were unmasked a lot. Dumb reason, however that's why
Say what you want but this venom is more accurate than Hardy’s venom once you look beyond appearance
Gee I don't while Eddie Brock was no saint in the comics, I don't recall him this being this evil.
@@robertkenny1201He was this evil in his earliest appearances.
@grimey3480 Last I checked he always expressed remorse for getting innocence people killed and he never took Mary Watson hostage, atleast not in the mainstream universe.
@@robertkenny1201 Actually in the original comics he will kill without hesitation if it's for his own benefit, the "remorse" is just a way to further delude himself into thinking he's the hero. Also, he literally went to Peter's house just to traumatize MJ in his first appearance. Also also, he tells Peter that he will hurt even more innocent people if Peter doesn't accept his 1-on-1 fight in his second appearance.
@grimey3480 Are your sure not just talking about Venom Dark Origins?
Best movie villain. Hands down. The only downside is that he should’ve been more muscular. That would’ve made him even more intimidating and more powerful.
Another downside is the fact venom was in this movie they should've had him be the main villain in a 4th movie instead of forcing Rami to have Venom be in this one.
But even tho this movie wasn't perfect Rami did actually do pretty good with placing Venom into the plot here this movie doesn't deserve the hate tbh
@@Profileunused it's just a mess tbh
@@Profileunused That was an idea because Raimi and his crew were going through different ideas to branch out the story but Sony wanted everything into one big mess
Not really he's perfect like that makes it more realistic
@@uroreocookie I gotta disagree
Who wants Topher Grace's Venom to return in future MCU/Sony movies
Does anyone else hear that slight moan at 0:08 😂
no
2:15 this noise 😆
How come venom’s name wasn’t mentioned in the movie only the credits
Because you think this film had time for all that?
Venom was in the last 30 minutes of the movie
@@XVNRX what do you mean by that
@@JYDY-if5rf his character wasn’t really fully fleshed out / developed so the director probably didn’t want it to count as venom but that’s just me
@@XVNRX He actually didn't like the concept of Venom to begin with so he was reluctant to give him any more screen time.
I just noticed something. In 0:03 you can see a watch on Eddie's left wrist. But in 0:05 and when the symbiote bonds to Eddie, you can clearly see that Eddie's watch is on his right wrist.
Wow
Bet no one ever noticed that, until now
gee i hope someone got fired for that blunder
@@CrashFan03 why would they fire someone for such a minor mistake that no one really cares about or noticed
@@user-ns7np3pu1x it's a little thing we like to call a joke
Topher Grace should’ve been in the movie chipwrecked as venom
The first scene just screams bondage
“Never wound what you can’t kill.”
*dies*
To be fair,he wouldve decimated Peter if he wasnt saved twice.
Interestingly while Tom Hardys Eddie Brock is probably the least evil version of the character this version of Eddie Brock is the most evil version of the character.
Venom is two separate beings Peter Parker’s rival the former daily bugle reporter Eddie Brock and the alien symbiote that had once masqueraded as Spider-Man’s black and white costume
OH MY GOD THANK YOU. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT
@@jordanMJK He has all my spider powers he knows everything about my secret identity and worst of all he can’t even trigger my spider sense
I love that raised eyebrow when he shows his face
1:21 Topher Grace ad libbed that line
Eddie Brok character ❌
Venom design : *HELL YEAH!*
Topher grace is my favorite venom!
The only thing I hated about this Venom was it's screen time. As much as I ADORE Spider-Man 3 final battle, I finally confess that ending the movie with the church scene (btw, Sandman should have been more important for the movie in this case) and saving Venom as the main villain for Spider-Man 4 would have been way better. Plus leaving the conflict of the New Goblin and Sandman for that movie as well, so we would have still gotten that epic final battle, perhaps an even better one
Yes they had many ideas to branch out this story but Sony wanted everything into one movie
I remember when I was young this venom absolutely terrified me and scarred me for life, Yeah I used to the dislike this venom after hearing about Spider-Man 3's flaws, but after witnessing the absolute joke of Tom Hardy's venom, I'm starting to appreciate this version of venom a whole lot more now!
At least they kept it comic accurate with venom being spider sense proof.
Idk why he gets so much hate, he was kind of epic...the design, the campiness, the makeup, Topher's acting, the voice effects. I kinda wish he'd been in it a little more so that his character wasn't as 2 dimensional (though I suppose all the emotional depth went to sandman lol)
2:49 my cat when I'm approaching to caress her
I believe the reason Topher Grace didn't get the recognition here was because of how his character in That 70s Show was portrayed. Eric's naive and nice guy vs. Eddie's evil and narcissist
Maybe Venom 3 will provide a hive multiverse concept where Topher's and Tom Hardy's Eddie are put in a scene together
Would be cool if Topher's Eddie is pulled into a multiverse rip before the explosion and tries to steal Hardy's symbiote.
1:20 ouu, my spider-sense is tingling.
why so many people forget this scene and say "they never say spider-sense in all the Spiderman movies"? Or did they never see Spiderman before the MCU era? ️👀
Combining carnage and venom together
Topher Grace: Ultimate Antithesis
Tom Hardy: Lethal Protector
I like this venom to the most is even better then the actual one because it show us more carnage
Topher's Venom was like Spider-Man in reverse. Evil, terrible, insignificant, envious, pathetic, like a slug, bile. I'm glad his design wasn't big like in the comics, he looked much more dangerous, like a man who got the wrong power without responsibility. This Venom is a damn good character, despite the fact that
Raimi didn't want to include him in the script. However, he became the key antagonist of the three villains. I love this Venom. He is the epitome of Spider-Man's evil adversary. Tom Hardy's Venom smokes on the sidelines.
I think something that was Sam Raimi's fault is that Eddie showed his face way too much as Venom
Well, probably not really his fault. He never intended to have Venom in the film but the studio forced him to do so anyway. He also didn't understand how to use the character and thats why it shows in this
Raimi likes to always show the hero and villains faces to humanize them
@@theoc511 That was another reason why Raimi didn't want to use Venom, because he thought he had no humanity.
Sam liked his actors to be able to do that. Act. His Spider-Man movies were more like symbolic dramas than action movies. Also, that was one of his concept artists ideas. To have the symbiote grip his face, hold open his eye lids, and bring Brock out during the talking. It's a psychological thing that is supposed to help you relate to Eddie more, or at least take him more seriously. Lizard brain mechanics deep in human subconscious where we can more easily empathize with a human.
I like Topher Grace's Venom more. He's more scary and unhinged
1:10 animatronic deleted design for Venom. I just noticed this today after almost 15 years, wow.
James franco getting clotheslined like 50 times in this movie will always be hilarious.
4:14 Eddie kills Harry 😱
At least Peter tried to save Eddie from dying. Eddie may have lost everything but he didn’t have to make himself look like a fool and kill himself like that. Peter probably would’ve helped Eddie get like a job something so he can succeed and get back on his feet again.
Eddie Brock’s Death shows that he such a nothing person, the time that he felt the most like himself is being controlled by a parasite and when he is saved from the parasite would rather die with it than redeem himself
@@j.j.hector736no
Still the best superhero trilogy
i like how its similar to the comics story wise. because venom himself takes on a distorted look the peters black suit witch is smooth with white eyes and spider. and its the same in spiderman 3 its a distorted version of tobeys black suit. its more accurate than people think. this verson is more accurate to venom then people wanna give raimi credit for.
Though Topher was good for this version of the character. Only gripes still are spideys black suit just being a color swap and then venom basically being the same thing.
Would like to have seen proper symbiote suit for spidey and then Venom actually look like matter not a costume.