I wished Doctor Fitz was in full control throughout half this season, so that he'd point out Fitz weak flaws such as refusing to gut Daisy's neck open. She'd see that it was his evil side behind the wheel and not poor Fitz himself fully. Kinda like Raimi's and MCU Green Goblin.
Daisy called him Hydra because he was still spouting that the Doctors sadistic ways were the right thing to do. And in her mind she sees the Doctor as being just as bad as Whitehall
@@joshthaller4754 " she was brain controlled by Hive and was manipulated/lied to by her mother" and what about fitz? His brain was also damaged due to the framework
God I love all the parallels between Fitz and Ward. Both insist they just wanna help and insist that they don't want forgiveness, simply for Skye/Daisy to trust them. Towards the end of his life I really do think Fitz came to a far clearer understanding of what it was like to be Grant Ward than anyone else
@@dylanleff373really? Becoming a monster because of an overbearing father figure, doing horrible acts, betraying the people closest to you? Fitz didn't do any of that just like Ward did? Fitz himself even says it after leaving the framework that he's just like Ward. Both of them did a lot of really bad shit because in their own way they believed they were doing the right thing. The two of them by season five are strikingly similar. If you can't see that I think you're just being willfully ignorant and blinded by a dislike of Ward
No it wasn’t??? Wow Daisy believed her mother after shield had previously tried to gun her down like an animal and her friends said she was dangerous and they needed to be protected? Shocked. I know you’re not talking about Hive where Daisy was LITERALLY under mind control??? Like, let’s use some media literacy skills and notice that fitz nor anyone else specifically recounts all those times she allegedly does and it’s because they don’t exist.
@mkwhite5054 Season 1- hindering their investigation because of her relationship w/ Austin Nichols character (whatever his name was) Season 2 - Joining her mom against S.H.I.E.L.D ... Season 3-Under Hive's Sway... Season 4 - turned her back on the team and became a solo vigilante for the 1st quarter (give or take an episode) of the season. Fitz's statement wasn't bringing up Daisy's intent/motive in these instances or that she became evil or anything, but Daisy did turn her back on the team in these moments. And yea, in season 1 she wasn't all, "Rah, Rah. Go S.H.I.E.L.D " yet but it was still a betrayal. Finally, look at Daisy's face after Fitz says it. She knows there's some truth to what he just said. Gotta Go! Be Blessed & Have A Great Day! ✌🏿
I think Fitz would have more leeway if it had been the Doctor in control the whole time, but ultimately, even when he realized that he was operating as the Doctor and regained control of himself, he still chose to perform surgery on Daisy.
Sounds like something a r*pist would say. “Hey you wouldn’t say yes so I will absolutely violate your consent and autonomy simply because I decided I knew better”.
Daisy only turned on shield twice, once when under hives control and when she sided with her mom over shield. When she went on the run when she transformed Gonzolas ordered her murder, when she left after Lincolns death she thought she was protecting them cuz her life is too dangerous and chaotic.
It’s technically only twice then, cause hive wasn’t exactly voluntary. Even when she sided with her mother she didn’t have all the information so idk why everyone brings it up as an argument against her.
But Daisy ALSO has a point. Fitz literally drugged her, restrained her, and then CUT into her without any pain killers. Daisy was TRAUMATIZED, she had a right to be mad at Fitz. She had a right to not want him out of lockup. I hate the way the entire team excused Daisy's trauma and made her look like the bad guy for expressing her trauma. I know that if one of my friends drugged me, restrained me, and CUT into me without any painkillers that i'd be traumatized and angry too. I'd want them in jail. Daisy had every right to be mad at Fitz. It's called trauma.
@@Toxicviper04 I see where you're coming from too but the greater good shouldn't come at someone else's expense. Fitz gave Daisy tremendous trauma and the team just disregarded her trauma and pain like it was nothing.
@@Toxicviper04 All of the team members have trauma but every single one of their trauma's was acknowledged EXCEPT for DAISY. The entire show, Daisy's trauma was discredited and treated as if she was "betraying the team" Which she didn't. In S4, Daisy was literally suicidal and depressed. But the show made no acknowledgement to it whatsoever and they made Fitz say "because she's turned her back on us!" When they could've acknowledged how Daisy was suffering.
C’mon y’all. I get she’s being a bit of a hypocrite, but can y’all really blame her for being pissed? Daisy back to the days of skye has always said shit in the heat of the moment, high on anger.
Daisy got worse and worse as seasons went on in my opinion, fitz weren't fully in control of what he was doing and anyways it was the right thing to do in the end but after framework he should have had some more help, his traumas are very overlooked
U say that like everyone’s trauma wasn’t overlooked. As for the framework, the whole team was pretty much thrown into the future right after they defeated AIDA. There has unfortunately never been time for therapy for any of the characters. Everybody was mentally fucked up by the end, fitz is not very special in that regard. In what way has daisy gotten worse by the way? It was a morally grey situation where both fitz and daisy weren’t exactly in the right or the wrong the way I see it. I think daisy’s anger is completely fair in this situation. I mean shit this is technically the second time she’s been tortured by fitz if we’re counting the framework. She got knocked out, and had an inhibitor brutally yanked out of her fuckin neck with no painkillers and the possibility of being paralyzed. And this was done by her friend, by someone she trusted, and that someone betrayed her trust. I’d be pissed too gonna be honest.
@@Wix-249j no offense but someone with mental illness shouldn't just be seen as a risk and locked in a cell, they should get the help they need and not be blamed for something they have no control over. He didn't betray them or consciously decide to hurt Daisy, it wasn't his fault and they could have solved it differently than locking him up and calling him a traitor
That man’s Fitz said you wanna talk about betrayal let’s talk about you😂😂😂😂. Fitz was right though in Daisy was selfish in her selflessness of not wanting her powers back and that was gonna jeopardize the rest of the world. Also she shouldn’t be trying to take the high ground here Fitz never betrayed anyone she did though😂😂😂
The way that fitz vilotaled her basic human rights. And Jemma defended him based on their future was kinda f*cked up like. She’s already been thru so much. Her being an orphan and then finding out she’s inhuman and feeling responsible for trip’s death and not to mention Mack being shitty to her after she went thru teragenisus. And not to mention her bf died to save her (she still hates herself for that even years later) shes haunted by coulson constantly. Fuck all yal.
So you count Daisy's siding with her mother after she killed Gonzales in Season 2 as not a betrayal? I get that she's been searching for *years* for her lost family, and that she finally found them, but the euphoria of finding lost family should *never* trump investigative decision-making. Daisy was as blind as a sheep in that situation, never bothering to ask where Gonzales went, and try and connect the dots to what happened (i.e. Jiaying killing Gonzales and making it look like he shot her). As far as I recall, she never once questioned either her mother *or* SHIELD about this further. One of her most fragile weaknesses is that she always gets too attached to people, most likely due to this issue of her past. Ever since she was taken in by SHIELD, she started to see them as family despite all the issues present throughout her relationship with the team. Moving onto Hive as my second example, he does force Inhumans to do his bidding. However, Daisy does (whether through leading him along on strings to try and take him down, or through genuine gratification of her finally finding connection) want to go back, but cannot due to Lash's immunity enchantment on her. This is twice now that she has proven that she will stand with her own morality over the objectivity of logic.
@nylex5206 No, I don't because Daisy had no idea what her mother had done. She also had reasons to distrust shield after May told her shield was hunting her. As for the Hive thing, His whole power was making other inhumans do what he wanted them to do. After Daisy got freed of his sway, she wanted to go back to him because of how guilty she was, and also because his sway was literally a drug. So no she didn't betray them there either.
@@nylex5206Anyone would believe their mother who appeared to be shot, especially after Daisy just found her family. Also, Gonzales is the same guy that had Daisy hunted down like an animal and one of his guys almost killed her before her powers saved her by blowing up the woods, and Gonzales had locked up and isolated all of her team after that, sending Phil and Hunter on the run, so on. Daisy had every reason to believe that Gonzales shot her mother. As the previous commenter said about Hive, as the effect they had was literally a drug and she was in withdrawal and going through hell. Idk what you know about addictions, but addicts tend to take more drugs to stop the pain of withdrawal, and going back to Hive was the equivalent of that.
I’m not even thinking about Jaiying or Hive, but when she fully left the team for six to eight months between S3 and S4. Had she been on the team, SHIELD wouldn’t have had to worry about PR in light of the Sokovia Accords. The Watchdogs wouldn’t have been an issue since Nadeer would’ve had nothing on Daisy, and they would’ve been put away a lot faster. Mace wouldn’t have needed to fake being an inhuman. No one would’ve been put into the Framework. Most likely, the events that set S5 into motion (Talbot getting shot) wouldn’t have happened. Obviously, much of this was due to the Hive aftermath, but Daisy still chose to leave SHIELD even after they fully accepted her back on the team. The only thing that really justifies it is that she found Robbie by being a vigilante. But other than that, they would’ve been a lot better off with her on the team at the time.
@othervids3726 Sure, but she left because she thought that would be better for them. And she felt guilty for trying to kill most of them even though she was being brainwashed.
daisy has every right to be mad. But her calling fitz hydra is bullshit and saying "we dont turn on our own" is top class hypocrisy.
I wished Doctor Fitz was in full control throughout half this season, so that he'd point out Fitz weak flaws such as refusing to gut Daisy's neck open. She'd see that it was his evil side behind the wheel and not poor Fitz himself fully. Kinda like Raimi's and MCU Green Goblin.
Daisy called him Hydra because he was still spouting that the Doctors sadistic ways were the right thing to do. And in her mind she sees the Doctor as being just as bad as Whitehall
That is wrong, she only went against shield because she was brain controlled by Hive and was manipulated/lied to by her mother
@@joshthaller4754 " she was brain controlled by Hive and was manipulated/lied to by her mother"
and what about fitz? His brain was also damaged due to the framework
What gives Daisy the right to quake Fitz against the wall?. I'd press charges for GBH!
God I love all the parallels between Fitz and Ward. Both insist they just wanna help and insist that they don't want forgiveness, simply for Skye/Daisy to trust them. Towards the end of his life I really do think Fitz came to a far clearer understanding of what it was like to be Grant Ward than anyone else
Lol fitz is nothing like ward, and honestly daisy is more fitting to what ward was
@@dylanleff373really? Becoming a monster because of an overbearing father figure, doing horrible acts, betraying the people closest to you? Fitz didn't do any of that just like Ward did? Fitz himself even says it after leaving the framework that he's just like Ward. Both of them did a lot of really bad shit because in their own way they believed they were doing the right thing. The two of them by season five are strikingly similar. If you can't see that I think you're just being willfully ignorant and blinded by a dislike of Ward
"Do you want me to recount all the times that you did?"
LOVE THAT LINE! I love Daisy but that was such a true statement
No it wasn’t??? Wow Daisy believed her mother after shield had previously tried to gun her down like an animal and her friends said she was dangerous and they needed to be protected? Shocked.
I know you’re not talking about Hive where Daisy was LITERALLY under mind control???
Like, let’s use some media literacy skills and notice that fitz nor anyone else specifically recounts all those times she allegedly does and it’s because they don’t exist.
@mkwhite5054
Season 1- hindering their investigation because of her relationship w/ Austin Nichols character (whatever his name was)
Season 2 - Joining her mom against S.H.I.E.L.D ...
Season 3-Under Hive's Sway...
Season 4 - turned her back on the team and became a solo vigilante for the 1st quarter (give or take an episode) of the season.
Fitz's statement wasn't bringing up Daisy's intent/motive in these instances or that she became evil or anything, but Daisy did turn her back on the team in these moments. And yea, in season 1 she wasn't all, "Rah, Rah. Go S.H.I.E.L.D " yet but it was still a betrayal. Finally, look at Daisy's face after Fitz says it. She knows there's some truth to what he just said.
Gotta Go! Be Blessed & Have A Great Day! ✌🏿
This fight is the aos fan’s civil war
I think Fitz would have more leeway if it had been the Doctor in control the whole time, but ultimately, even when he realized that he was operating as the Doctor and regained control of himself, he still chose to perform surgery on Daisy.
And he was right
Tbf if he didn’t perform the surgery, the robots that the doctor programmed would have killed Jemma and Deke
0:55 he had such a good point.
Sounds like something a r*pist would say. “Hey you wouldn’t say yes so I will absolutely violate your consent and autonomy simply because I decided I knew better”.
She turns hypocrisy when it suits her
Like when?
Daisy only turned on shield twice, once when under hives control and when she sided with her mom over shield. When she went on the run when she transformed Gonzolas ordered her murder, when she left after Lincolns death she thought she was protecting them cuz her life is too dangerous and chaotic.
Don't forget that time in S01 when she was betraying shield to protect her boyfriend
It’s technically only twice then, cause hive wasn’t exactly voluntary. Even when she sided with her mother she didn’t have all the information so idk why everyone brings it up as an argument against her.
@@jennymoody5288 you know what, that's a good point.
@@christopherholley8164 Is it? Lacking information is a constant of life. (Edit: Unless you were talking about the hive point)
Exactly and fits only betrayed them like once or twice too. So they both betrayed shield so daisy shouldnt be talking
1:25 You are hydra…
Well…so were you 😂
when?
He's not Hydra. Don't know why she keeps saying that.
Fitz does have a point. Daisy did betray shield multiple times.
But Daisy ALSO has a point. Fitz literally drugged her, restrained her, and then CUT into her without any pain killers. Daisy was TRAUMATIZED, she had a right to be mad at Fitz. She had a right to not want him out of lockup. I hate the way the entire team excused Daisy's trauma and made her look like the bad guy for expressing her trauma. I know that if one of my friends drugged me, restrained me, and CUT into me without any painkillers that i'd be traumatized and angry too. I'd want them in jail. Daisy had every right to be mad at Fitz. It's called trauma.
@@em-pr5jv but fitz was doing it for the greater good. But I do understand where your coming from.
@@Toxicviper04 I see where you're coming from too but the greater good shouldn't come at someone else's expense. Fitz gave Daisy tremendous trauma and the team just disregarded her trauma and pain like it was nothing.
@@Toxicviper04 All of the team members have trauma but every single one of their trauma's was acknowledged EXCEPT for DAISY. The entire show, Daisy's trauma was discredited and treated as if she was "betraying the team" Which she didn't. In S4, Daisy was literally suicidal and depressed. But the show made no acknowledgement to it whatsoever and they made Fitz say "because she's turned her back on us!" When they could've acknowledged how Daisy was suffering.
I'm on Daisy's side for this one.
0:57, wrong choice of words, Fitz
C’mon y’all. I get she’s being a bit of a hypocrite, but can y’all really blame her for being pissed? Daisy back to the days of skye has always said shit in the heat of the moment, high on anger.
Wished Daisy forgiven Fitz. Has she?
@@algordo1997 yes
@@sandragik5595 when?
@@algordo1997 S6
@@Wix-249j oh. Forgot about that.
Daisy got worse and worse as seasons went on in my opinion, fitz weren't fully in control of what he was doing and anyways it was the right thing to do in the end but after framework he should have had some more help, his traumas are very overlooked
U say that like everyone’s trauma wasn’t overlooked. As for the framework, the whole team was pretty much thrown into the future right after they defeated AIDA. There has unfortunately never been time for therapy for any of the characters. Everybody was mentally fucked up by the end, fitz is not very special in that regard.
In what way has daisy gotten worse by the way? It was a morally grey situation where both fitz and daisy weren’t exactly in the right or the wrong the way I see it. I think daisy’s anger is completely fair in this situation. I mean shit this is technically the second time she’s been tortured by fitz if we’re counting the framework. She got knocked out, and had an inhibitor brutally yanked out of her fuckin neck with no painkillers and the possibility of being paralyzed. And this was done by her friend, by someone she trusted, and that someone betrayed her trust. I’d be pissed too gonna be honest.
@@sparkynicole3941 she's a hypocrite and tbh I didnt like her character development at all
@ArtyEvie she had a character developement??! I dont see any development apart from her powers
@@sanyuktabaranwal8383well that’s your fault for your lack of media literacy.
Not only framework, the military got him locked up for 6 months, without Simmons or the team or even any sunlight, the world was just so harsh on him
Sure what happened sucks but Fitz literally had a PSYCHIC BREAK. he can't control that
Okay? He was a clear risk to the rest of the team
@@Wix-249j no offense but someone with mental illness shouldn't just be seen as a risk and locked in a cell, they should get the help they need and not be blamed for something they have no control over. He didn't betray them or consciously decide to hurt Daisy, it wasn't his fault and they could have solved it differently than locking him up and calling him a traitor
Psychotic
And he was right too. Either they did the surgery, or they all died.
That man’s Fitz said you wanna talk about betrayal let’s talk about you😂😂😂😂. Fitz was right though in Daisy was selfish in her selflessness of not wanting her powers back and that was gonna jeopardize the rest of the world. Also she shouldn’t be trying to take the high ground here Fitz never betrayed anyone she did though😂😂😂
0:57 Daisy pissed off is bad news enough but if she was still swayed by Hive, Fitz would be shitting in his pants rn. His bones would be dust.
And she would've killed him
What good would that bring the team in the long run?
One of the teo brains of shield, dead
@@reesewithoutaspoonnot to mention jemma would HATE her so....
Tbh, Daisy only betrayed Shield 4 times and of those times she did it to protect other people. So, she didnt "betray" anyone
Technically hive doesn’t count really as well cause everyone knew she didn’t do it voluntarily
Fitz>>>>Daisy
Personally I think Daisy >>>>Fitz, but I respect your opinion
The way that fitz vilotaled her basic human rights. And Jemma defended him based on their future was kinda f*cked up like. She’s already been thru so much. Her being an orphan and then finding out she’s inhuman and feeling responsible for trip’s death and not to mention Mack being shitty to her after she went thru teragenisus. And not to mention her bf died to save her (she still hates herself for that even years later) shes haunted by coulson constantly. Fuck all yal.
Are you going to ignore all the trauma Fitz endured? Brain damage, being brainwashed in the framework, being attacked by his own friends.
@@Unversed333that’s what ppl still don’t get.
Never once did daisy actually betray any one within her workplace. Daisy is also the only one on the team that sees them as family.
So you count Daisy's siding with her mother after she killed Gonzales in Season 2 as not a betrayal? I get that she's been searching for *years* for her lost family, and that she finally found them, but the euphoria of finding lost family should *never* trump investigative decision-making. Daisy was as blind as a sheep in that situation, never bothering to ask where Gonzales went, and try and connect the dots to what happened (i.e. Jiaying killing Gonzales and making it look like he shot her). As far as I recall, she never once questioned either her mother *or* SHIELD about this further. One of her most fragile weaknesses is that she always gets too attached to people, most likely due to this issue of her past. Ever since she was taken in by SHIELD, she started to see them as family despite all the issues present throughout her relationship with the team.
Moving onto Hive as my second example, he does force Inhumans to do his bidding. However, Daisy does (whether through leading him along on strings to try and take him down, or through genuine gratification of her finally finding connection) want to go back, but cannot due to Lash's immunity enchantment on her. This is twice now that she has proven that she will stand with her own morality over the objectivity of logic.
@nylex5206 No, I don't because Daisy had no idea what her mother had done. She also had reasons to distrust shield after May told her shield was hunting her.
As for the Hive thing, His whole power was making other inhumans do what he wanted them to do. After Daisy got freed of his sway, she wanted to go back to him because of how guilty she was, and also because his sway was literally a drug. So no she didn't betray them there either.
@@nylex5206Anyone would believe their mother who appeared to be shot, especially after Daisy just found her family.
Also, Gonzales is the same guy that had Daisy hunted down like an animal and one of his guys almost killed her before her powers saved her by blowing up the woods, and Gonzales had locked up and isolated all of her team after that, sending Phil and Hunter on the run, so on. Daisy had every reason to believe that Gonzales shot her mother.
As the previous commenter said about Hive, as the effect they had was literally a drug and she was in withdrawal and going through hell. Idk what you know about addictions, but addicts tend to take more drugs to stop the pain of withdrawal, and going back to Hive was the equivalent of that.
I’m not even thinking about Jaiying or Hive, but when she fully left the team for six to eight months between S3 and S4.
Had she been on the team, SHIELD wouldn’t have had to worry about PR in light of the Sokovia Accords. The Watchdogs wouldn’t have been an issue since Nadeer would’ve had nothing on Daisy, and they would’ve been put away a lot faster. Mace wouldn’t have needed to fake being an inhuman. No one would’ve been put into the Framework. Most likely, the events that set S5 into motion (Talbot getting shot) wouldn’t have happened.
Obviously, much of this was due to the Hive aftermath, but Daisy still chose to leave SHIELD even after they fully accepted her back on the team. The only thing that really justifies it is that she found Robbie by being a vigilante. But other than that, they would’ve been a lot better off with her on the team at the time.
@othervids3726 Sure, but she left because she thought that would be better for them. And she felt guilty for trying to kill most of them even though she was being brainwashed.