My head cannon of The Traveler (from the guides) is that he was training as a maester but was overcome by wanderlust after studying far off places and abandoned his training to travel. This is why he is so knowledgeable about the places he visits. He finances his travels by hiring himself out as a guide to wealthy merchants or lesser nobility who end up having to travel to unfamiliar cities for various personal reasons.
It just occurred to me. The three leaders of Robert's Rebellion were descendents of the three invasions of Westeros. Ned represents the First Men. Jon Arryn represents the Andals. Robert Baratheon represents the Targaryean invasion.
@@makuojinanwa yeah i agree bareathon's are just an off shoot of targaryens especially with orys and the fact that the targaryen would intermarry with them when the valeryons weren't available and/or targaryen brother and sisters weren't really wanted the whole incest thing. that's why i thought it was always ironic that robert hated and wanted to kill all targaryens when he basically owes that family everything for the baratheons even being around and at it's level in westeros
@@jaimelannister1797 yeah I kinda agree with that but also I kinda see the Rhoynish as a more refugee crisis or an asylum situation so sticking with invasions only I think it works. The Robert one being Orys marrying the dondarion daughter is no different then the andels really
The way you spoke about experiencing things that then become a part of you, particularly with childhood exposure to certain stories, was very beautiful! A sweet little interlude indeed. :’)
Personally I like to think of the Andals as the Vikings of a world of ice and fire. Slowly assimilating into the society and becoming the ruling class similar to the Vikings who became the norman knights of Western Europe.
I really love you're breakdowns and Insight. And because of you, Ive started down the Witcher path, and am loving it! I know you're more high fantasy, but you mentioned a lot of sci-fi. I'd love to see you do a run up on the previous 5 seasons of The Expanse, as we get ready to head into their final, 6th season! Plus I think your fan base will REALLY dig the world building they do!
I find it interesting how many people read something in one of the ASOIAF books and take it as "truth". It is clear that EVERY SINGLE PART of all of the books are written from a particular person's point of view. And we all know people can be mistaken or, in the case of something that is spoken, can lie.
or they take every word as a clue to someone's heritage or identity or family or their future. I mean i wonder that people have ever thought that would mean GRRM would have had to meant every little clue which people see 7-8 "clues" a page. I mean he does do that with forethought alot but no way as many times and as many things and story lines that people think every he has. and if i hear "foreshadowing" any more then needs to be i'm really doing the "hand on the face" emoji. "foresjadowing" is unfortunately used way too much and incorrectly so many times about GRRM's writing and ASOIAF
Kinda like Stark meaning Strong in German. That's a little different I guess cause you have to subscribe to the theory that House Strong is a Riverland offshoot of House Stark. But that's a cool fact about Arryn.
In one of the Arianne chapters released from WOW they talk about seeing wild weirwoods growing in the Rainwood. It's not the Neck but still, evidence of wild weirwoods growing that far south.
All things Cosmere would fit this channel so perfectly I agree! I'd love to see Robert discuss theories for Stormlight Archives, Mistborn, investiture and all the rest. :)
@@MyBoomStick1 I recommend you start with Mistborn. It's first novel is almost a standalone so you can see if you like it and if you get hooked the rest of the series is so damn good. His other work is a little umm "more" so it's a good starting point to get acquainted with his worlds. People sometimes say not to but I greatly recommend reading Warbreaker and Elantris, two of his earlier and 'weaker' books but I loved them both and they helped my understanding of his universe.
I think all of us accumulate *some* list of things we look back on later as decisions we made for the wrong reasons. If we honestly didn't realize at the time they were wrong, it's easy enough to forgive ourselves - all we can do as we go along is our best "in the moment." But if we did know, deep down, and just caved in to other motivations, those we tend to remember and carry with us. I think the best we can hope for is that our list of such items is "minor." I absolutely can see Hoster looking back on the decision re: Lysa as a big one. I feel like my list is fairly minor, but then again I've never been lord paramount of a domain either. The world tests people differently. I generally believe power corrupts, and I've just never had any significant amount of power. I've certainly never been in, say, Galadriel's position when Frodo offered her the Ring.
Hello Robert! Happy Birthday Dan!! Although not fantasy I was wondering if you will check out The Last Duel Movie or if you have read the book by the same name. I can not wait to see it as a lover of medieval history. The book was fantastic and I recommend to anyone who loves history.
Could you please do a video on why Eriador was so empty of human settlement during the time of the War of the Ring? Wasn't the collapse of Arnor like 1000 years before?
Re: which region would I want to find myself in, yes, the Reach does sound appealing, but the open-mindedness of Dorn is awfully appealing too. I'd almost certainly want to be a maester, though, given my love of learning.
I think you can connect to works more than once. I read LotR long ago, and connected to it in a young person's way. But I read it again not too long ago, as a 60 year old person, and it was an entirely different experience. I remember that first experience, but I don't think I can fully appreciate it the way I did then, since I'm just not the same person. I won't cop out, though - if you erased my memory of all of these books and told me I was only allowed to read one of them, it would have to be Lord of the Rings (and the Silmarillion, hopefully). ASoIaF is awesome, but I just can't quite put it on the same tier as Tolkien.
I think it's goodbrothers that is the more andel house in the iron island.. they are the ones that worships the seven and has knights I believe. The 3 Brothers that took damphair to Rodrik the Reader. But speaking of Rodrik I might be getting harlaw confused with them cause they do have knights.
i thought i subd to ur hannel months ago dude. You, David lightbringer, and alt shift x, are my go to an video books too i first found ur channel binging silmarillion lore an saw GOT, i was like hellz yea!ive always wished for just bit moe info on the histories of the andals and rhoynar before the migration west, like culture kings religions(the seven of course for the andal. but like Lorath Sothoryos and ANYTHING to do with The Empire of the Dawn and maybe a physiological explanation or jus any proof at for how the first dragons where bred from Wyverns and magically Bonded to the valyrians. my personal head canon is Epire of Dawn were first dragonlords, but they used Yitiish Greenseer magic to control their dragons like a mutual bond thru the greenwood net then the bloodstone emperor took the throne and invaded the greenwood network when he did the bit of blood magic i think it was specifically like aerys having long night visions that drove him to either madness or lusted for power, and it ripped the green men that originally inhabited the greenwoods out thus transforming the the trees to the weirwoods we know today with bleeding tormented and silent faces and the greenmen that were forcefully removed well, were did all the others come from and who controls them, whos all those people in the bottom of bloodravens cave?
I know of Red Rain and of Nightfall being on the Iron Island but whats the 3rd one? Drumms have Red Rain and the Harlaws have nightfall but running through the houses I can't think of it. Is it Euron?
39:00 - And besides, those Andals that were pushed out of their own homes, what were they supposed to do? In the end you really can't blame people for seeking to survive. It's really no different from a fox taking a farmer's chickens. It's survival. I think attempts to lay down some inviolable set of rules that can apply to every single situation is doomed to failure.
There needs to be a rule that states. Regardless of super-chat if a question is a repeat of a previous question it will not be read or answered. It really slows down the live stream.
Yeah I prefer the scripted livestreams, it seems a lot of content creators do this now, they’ll just do a live stream and take super chats without really going in depth because of all the interruptions
I wonder if we end up getting a similar ending with Sansa becoming Queen of an independent North, with all of her influence from Andal culture and love of knights, will she end up making a northern version of the king's guard? Hopefully with a more distinct Northern twist. Also with all these known Valyrian steel swords potentially heading north they might end up being able to arm them all with Valyrian steel!
@@GullibleTarget I was wondering that myself recently actually. So long as we don't get the ending for them like we did in the show which made zero sense 😏
and "the short answer is" and unfortunately i mentioned "and all the rest of it" months ago to him on here and twitter and it has dissappeared from the Rolodex. I'm very sorry everyone
read the 5 books and watched only 5 seasons. Seems the show was crap after that. Question: do these streams spoil it for the books? I'm afraid of listening in case
At a certain point, I become irritated with the lemon tree deniers based on their lack of climate knowledge. You can't compare Braavos to Winterfell and say, "They had greenhouses and hot springs, but still no lemons!" It is the middle of a continent, and further north than Braavos, which is a coastal climate. Even if it's dreary, guess what? So is the Pacific Northwest, where people successfully grow citrus in sheltered gardens all the time. Learn to garden before you start theorizing about gardening!
please stop whispering the last few words in your sentences you speak. Makes it hard to listen to and understand. Every time you start talking it stars loud then gets more quiet till it's hardly understandable. It's really bad in the "why not take the eagles to mount doom" video. Maybe you're running out of breath, so focus on your fitness.
bro what, one of the praise that robert gets are that he has a nice narrator voice (something that could not be possible if people didnt understand him) You dont get to say to anyone (especially strangers) to take care of their fitness, im pretty sure he would take care of that by himself if you have some feedback pls give it in a more respectful way
Has nothing to do with fitness. He's speaking naturally-not reciting. so his breath is not always going to be supported as it would be if he was reading from a script. Just turn up the volume.
LoL focus on his fitness he says 🤣, the guy talks to a computer screen for 3 hours straight. Pretty sure his breathing is fine lol his new mic has been cutting out alot too just turn on sub titles man.. that way you can just check the ones you couldn't catch.
My head cannon of The Traveler (from the guides) is that he was training as a maester but was overcome by wanderlust after studying far off places and abandoned his training to travel. This is why he is so knowledgeable about the places he visits. He finances his travels by hiring himself out as a guide to wealthy merchants or lesser nobility who end up having to travel to unfamiliar cities for various personal reasons.
It just occurred to me. The three leaders of Robert's Rebellion were descendents of the three invasions of Westeros. Ned represents the First Men. Jon Arryn represents the Andals. Robert Baratheon represents the Targaryean invasion.
The Robert one is a bit of a stretch. Also there's the Rhoynish invasion of Westeros. So this doesn't really work
@@jaimelannister1797 what is the stretch. Is it that Robert's grandmother was targaryen or that his ancestor Orys was a targaryen bastard?
@@makuojinanwa yeah i agree bareathon's are just an off shoot of targaryens especially with orys and the fact that the targaryen would intermarry with them when the valeryons weren't available and/or targaryen brother and sisters weren't really wanted the whole incest thing. that's why i thought it was always ironic that robert hated and wanted to kill all targaryens when he basically owes that family everything for the baratheons even being around and at it's level in westeros
@@jaimelannister1797 yeah I kinda agree with that but also I kinda see the Rhoynish as a more refugee crisis or an asylum situation so sticking with invasions only I think it works. The Robert one being Orys marrying the dondarion daughter is no different then the andels really
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The way you spoke about experiencing things that then become a part of you, particularly with childhood exposure to certain stories, was very beautiful! A sweet little interlude indeed. :’)
A wonderful stream that took me days to listen to. Thank you Robert!
Been listening to a lot of your content recently. Thank you so much for putting all of this together.
Personally I like to think of the Andals as the Vikings of a world of ice and fire. Slowly assimilating into the society and becoming the ruling class similar to the Vikings who became the norman knights of Western Europe.
I love Lee Pace for his role in The Fall no movie has made me cry like that
I really love you're breakdowns and
Insight. And because of you, Ive started down the Witcher path, and am loving it! I know you're more high fantasy, but you mentioned a lot of sci-fi.
I'd love to see you do a run up on the previous 5 seasons of The Expanse, as we get ready to head into their final, 6th season! Plus I think your fan base will REALLY dig the world building they do!
I really hope HBO invites you to the GOT Con in Vegas…it would be incredible to meet one of my favorite YT creators.
I find it interesting how many people read something in one of the ASOIAF books and take it as "truth". It is clear that EVERY SINGLE PART of all of the books are written from a particular person's point of view. And we all know people can be mistaken or, in the case of something that is spoken, can lie.
or they take every word as a clue to someone's heritage or identity or family or their future. I mean i wonder that people have ever thought that would mean GRRM would have had to meant every little clue which people see 7-8 "clues" a page. I mean he does do that with forethought alot but no way as many times and as many things and story lines that people think every he has. and if i hear "foreshadowing" any more then needs to be i'm really doing the "hand on the face" emoji. "foresjadowing" is unfortunately used way too much and incorrectly so many times about GRRM's writing and ASOIAF
Robert is there any chance you could put timestamps or atleast vague timestamps on these long live streams?
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Thanks!
The Dutch word for Eagle is 'Arend'. Sounds like Arryn. GRR Martin trying his hand at Tolkien-esque philology?
He's a Tolkien disciple.
Kinda like Stark meaning Strong in German. That's a little different I guess cause you have to subscribe to the theory that House Strong is a Riverland offshoot of House Stark. But that's a cool fact about Arryn.
In one of the Arianne chapters released from WOW they talk about seeing wild weirwoods growing in the Rainwood. It's not the Neck but still, evidence of wild weirwoods growing that far south.
Robert, have you read Sanderson’s the stormlight archive, and if so would you ever consider doing some videos on the series?
All things Cosmere would fit this channel so perfectly I agree! I'd love to see Robert discuss theories for Stormlight Archives, Mistborn, investiture and all the rest. :)
I’m halfway through the wheel of time, but once I’m done I’ve been considering reading a Sanderson series, any recommendations?
@@MyBoomStick1 I recommend you start with Mistborn. It's first novel is almost a standalone so you can see if you like it and if you get hooked the rest of the series is so damn good. His other work is a little umm "more" so it's a good starting point to get acquainted with his worlds. People sometimes say not to but I greatly recommend reading Warbreaker and Elantris, two of his earlier and 'weaker' books but I loved them both and they helped my understanding of his universe.
I think all of us accumulate *some* list of things we look back on later as decisions we made for the wrong reasons. If we honestly didn't realize at the time they were wrong, it's easy enough to forgive ourselves - all we can do as we go along is our best "in the moment." But if we did know, deep down, and just caved in to other motivations, those we tend to remember and carry with us. I think the best we can hope for is that our list of such items is "minor." I absolutely can see Hoster looking back on the decision re: Lysa as a big one.
I feel like my list is fairly minor, but then again I've never been lord paramount of a domain either. The world tests people differently. I generally believe power corrupts, and I've just never had any significant amount of power. I've certainly never been in, say, Galadriel's position when Frodo offered her the Ring.
Hello Robert! Happy Birthday Dan!! Although not fantasy I was wondering if you will check out The Last Duel Movie or if you have read the book by the same name. I can not wait to see it as a lover of medieval history. The book was fantastic and I recommend to anyone who loves history.
Loving your fancy new technology upgrades, mate! Looking & sounding great, Ser Robert the Scholar Wight (you tireless beast!). 🥂😎
Not "on Kindle." On *ereaders* - Amazon is not the end all and be all of electronic books.
The slow invasion penetrates the shield.😁
Robert you should wear this color more often! It’s your color!
Could you please do a video on why Eriador was so empty of human settlement during the time of the War of the Ring? Wasn't the collapse of Arnor like 1000 years before?
In Deep !!!
Re: which region would I want to find myself in, yes, the Reach does sound appealing, but the open-mindedness of Dorn is awfully appealing too. I'd almost certainly want to be a maester, though, given my love of learning.
I think you can connect to works more than once. I read LotR long ago, and connected to it in a young person's way. But I read it again not too long ago, as a 60 year old person, and it was an entirely different experience. I remember that first experience, but I don't think I can fully appreciate it the way I did then, since I'm just not the same person.
I won't cop out, though - if you erased my memory of all of these books and told me I was only allowed to read one of them, it would have to be Lord of the Rings (and the Silmarillion, hopefully). ASoIaF is awesome, but I just can't quite put it on the same tier as Tolkien.
One doesn’t necessarily need magic to have a relationship with birds. Maybe they were falconers. Breeding and taming falcons and eagles.
Check you out with your fancy background!!
happy slightly belated b-day, Dan the Dog! xo
I think it's goodbrothers that is the more andel house in the iron island.. they are the ones that worships the seven and has knights I believe. The 3 Brothers that took damphair to Rodrik the Reader. But speaking of Rodrik I might be getting harlaw confused with them cause they do have knights.
i thought i subd to ur hannel months ago dude. You, David lightbringer, and alt shift x, are my go to an video books too i first found ur channel binging silmarillion lore an saw GOT, i was like hellz yea!ive always wished for just bit moe info on the histories of the andals and rhoynar before the migration west, like culture kings religions(the seven of course for the andal. but like Lorath Sothoryos and ANYTHING to do with The Empire of the Dawn and maybe a physiological explanation or jus any proof at for how the first dragons where bred from Wyverns and magically Bonded to the valyrians. my personal head canon is Epire of Dawn were first dragonlords, but they used Yitiish Greenseer magic to control their dragons like a mutual bond thru the greenwood net then the bloodstone emperor took the throne and invaded the greenwood network when he did the bit of blood magic i think it was specifically like aerys having long night visions that drove him to either madness or lusted for power, and it ripped the green men that originally inhabited the greenwoods out thus transforming the the trees to the weirwoods we know today with bleeding tormented and silent faces and the greenmen that were forcefully removed well, were did all the others come from and who controls them, whos all those people in the bottom of bloodravens cave?
I know of Red Rain and of Nightfall being on the Iron Island but whats the 3rd one? Drumms have Red Rain and the Harlaws have nightfall but running through the houses I can't think of it. Is it Euron?
I'm sure Aziz and Ashaya appreciate all your references to the "History of Westeros" 🤪🤣
All that excitement... looking back is sad knowing about 2/3 of it wasn't just bad, it was trash.
What is the difference between The First Men vs The Andals?
39:00 - And besides, those Andals that were pushed out of their own homes, what were they supposed to do? In the end you really can't blame people for seeking to survive. It's really no different from a fox taking a farmer's chickens. It's survival. I think attempts to lay down some inviolable set of rules that can apply to every single situation is doomed to failure.
There needs to be a rule that states. Regardless of super-chat if a question is a repeat of a previous question it will not be read or answered. It really slows down the live stream.
Yeah I prefer the scripted livestreams, it seems a lot of content creators do this now, they’ll just do a live stream and take super chats without really going in depth because of all the interruptions
@@omgjimmyboy i hate to throw this label on him but its laziness.
I agree
I wonder if we end up getting a similar ending with Sansa becoming Queen of an independent North, with all of her influence from Andal culture and love of knights, will she end up making a northern version of the king's guard? Hopefully with a more distinct Northern twist. Also with all these known Valyrian steel swords potentially heading north they might end up being able to arm them all with Valyrian steel!
She'll conscript the watchers of the Wall to become her queen's guard/city watch
@@GullibleTarget I was wondering that myself recently actually. So long as we don't get the ending for them like we did in the show which made zero sense 😏
No mando season 3 this year. Due to the book of boba fett coming in December mando season 3 comes out next year
take a shot every time Robert mentions the Andal invasion was a generational thing
and "the short answer is" and unfortunately i mentioned "and all the rest of it" months ago to him on here and twitter and it has dissappeared from the Rolodex. I'm very sorry everyone
read the 5 books and watched only 5 seasons. Seems the show was crap after that. Question: do these streams spoil it for the books? I'm afraid of listening in case
It was my understanding that the andals took dorne but were kicked out by the 10000 ships women who’s name I can’t spell
So it’s kinda like Lord of the rings?
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Looks like we got an Andal apologist over here . . . .
At a certain point, I become irritated with the lemon tree deniers based on their lack of climate knowledge. You can't compare Braavos to Winterfell and say, "They had greenhouses and hot springs, but still no lemons!" It is the middle of a continent, and further north than Braavos, which is a coastal climate. Even if it's dreary, guess what? So is the Pacific Northwest, where people successfully grow citrus in sheltered gardens all the time. Learn to garden before you start theorizing about gardening!
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To me foundation is just kinda meh. The story is really rather boring.
please stop whispering the last few words in your sentences you speak. Makes it hard to listen to and understand. Every time you start talking it stars loud then gets more quiet till it's hardly understandable.
It's really bad in the "why not take the eagles to mount doom" video.
Maybe you're running out of breath, so focus on your fitness.
bro what, one of the praise that robert gets are that he has a nice narrator voice (something that could not be possible if people didnt understand him)
You dont get to say to anyone (especially strangers) to take care of their fitness, im pretty sure he would take care of that by himself
if you have some feedback pls give it in a more respectful way
Has nothing to do with fitness. He's speaking naturally-not reciting. so his breath is not always going to be supported as it would be if he was reading from a script. Just turn up the volume.
LoL focus on his fitness he says 🤣, the guy talks to a computer screen for 3 hours straight. Pretty sure his breathing is fine lol his new mic has been cutting out alot too just turn on sub titles man.. that way you can just check the ones you couldn't catch.