Not all youtube essayists are good at writing. Not all have soothing voices and accents. Not all of them are informative or even well informed. Lamentably, not all of them discuss the Lord of the Rings in exquisite, nerdy detail where I learn something new every video. This channel is a blessing and manages all of these things.
Love how Pippin by accident twice helped rid Middle Earth of darkness both in getting Gandalf to dispatch the Balrog and with distracting Sauron at the right moment.
My favourite little linguistic joke in LOTR is that Pippin's surname 'Took' is quite literally synonymous with the word fool. So when Gandalf exclaims, 'You fool of a Took!!' He's really saying, 'You fool of a Fool!!'
I like to think that there may be a deeper meaning here. A fool is not an idiot - intelligent people can be foolish - on their journey towards gaining wisdom through experience.
Over 50 years for me since I was introduced to the Hobbit in the early 70's. But what really breaks my brain is it has been nearly 25 years since the first of the Peter Jackson films was released.
My Tolkien binge is approaching 35 yrs, and showing no signs of stopping. Part of my brain still thinks of the Peter Jackson versions of Merry and Pippin as Pete and Steve, the old roommates I saw those movies in theatre with. Yeah, it's been a while!
Honestly, Gandalf (and the other protagonists of LotR) make me want to be a better person. If there is a God and a Heaven, I want to do good here so that I may be received well there. "Finish the fight. Stay the course. Like Gandalf did."
One fact to add to "Gandalf perspective", which is easily missed: between visiting Crickhollow and Bree, Gandalf was sure that Nazgul had taken Frodo and Ring, and now all what remains is to pursue them and hope to rescue them. This was probably the darkes hours in his life.
That line appears only in the films, not in Tolkien's writing. Though an epic line indeed! In the book he says "I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountain-side where he smote it in his ruin."
I like that gandalf didnt just take over everything or use his vast power, that wasn't his job, and the age to come wasn't meant to be his age it was to be the age of men, so he worked to show men who had lost faith that they were strong and capable of defying the dark power and can work to make the world a brighter place
Exactly. Gandalf's job was to help the Free Peoples of Middle Earth help themselves, not fight the war for them. That's the main reason why Gandalf was the best-suited to the Istari's mission - he was the only one who we know had enough of a fascination and respect for the peoples of Middle Earth to interact with them on a regular basis. He doesn't just travel around and visit places like the Shire because it's his job; he genuinely cares about the people he visits, and forms long-lasting friendships with many of them (we know he was friends with the Old Took even before the time of The Hobbit). That's why he could be the friend, counselor, ally, and beacon of hope to so many of the key figures in LotR.
He didn't have vast power really. He was sent to help as an old man and was limited by his physical body greatly. His power wasn't great enough to take over, and thus had to rally the people of middle earth to do the fighting.
The perfect emissary sent by Illuvatar. You are spot on with that comment. Gandalf is the embodiment of Tolkien's vision of what a good person should do in our world. You can't save the world yourself no matter how good your heart is or your ideas are... No more than Tolkien himself could save his people of the time. The best he could do and the best we can do is to influence others around us to be their best selves and perpetuate our most wholesome human qualities. I believe that's why Tolkien himself came to our world in the first place... In a very ironic sense he is Gandalf embodied in our real world for the same purpose. Perhaps he was sent here in the same way as an emissary in our darkest times. "Tolkien the Gray.... That's what they called me. That was my name" ;-)
He always makes sure to leave and let the people do the adventure lol. He only shows up if he is absolutely needed. He really is the fatherly chaperone guiding the younglings but making sure they have time to grow and mess up and learn on their own.
The Valar had also learned their lesson about directly intervening. They eventually intervened in the war with Morgoth, and won handily. And sank a CONTINENT in the process. They knew better than to risk the collateral damage that a war between gods and angels would inflict on the now much smaller world.
@@Wolfeson28 Book Denethor was a much more sharply drawn, richer character with plenty of nuance. He resented his role as Steward, believing himself to be King-worthy - this was seed planted in him by Sauron via the Palantir and it festered. It's also quite likely that his antipathy to Faramir was similarly a subversion by Sauron, likely because Sauron recognized Faramir as the greater of the two brothers and the one most likely to thwart him.
'But my rolling days are ending, and now we shall have much to say to one another.’ I plan to use the full quote to describe myself on the day of my retirement, and I look forward to that day.
The nuance Tolkien invests his characters with is astounding, especially with Gandalf. And Robert has a way of feeling it out and saying what is most important to understand to grasp that nuance. I'm in awe of them both,
'Fool being his favorite affectionate insult.' My favourite little linguistic joke in LOTR is that Pippin's surname 'Took' is quite literally synonymous with the word fool. So when Gandalf exclaims, 'You fool of a Took!!' He's really saying, 'You fool of a Fool!!'
@@ChristianAkacro Yes, mostly used as an adjective. "Tokig", meaning someone is crazy these days more than foolish. But both sort of apply. It is not used on Norwgian and Danish though, which are usually pretty similar in many ways. At least it's easy for Danes and Norwegians to understand Swedish and vice versa.
5:45 “Where to mate?… Rivendell? North of the Greyflood at this time of night?! You’re having a laugh! Tell you what, I’ll take you to Edoras, you can get the night bus from there”
This video made me cry tears of joy over a story I have known for almost 2 decades now and yet, somehow, hearing it read out loud and focusing the details of how Gandalf tried to guide and lead by example even in the most dire of circumstances just makes me happy.
The main complaint I have with the movies is in the extended edition when Gandalf faces the witch king at the battle of minas tirith that he loses to the witch king after the restrictions are removed from him when in the books he held off all 9 while his abilities where limited.
That depiction of Gandalf on the hill outside the gates of Mordor as they do battle with Sauron's Orcs is pretty much a representation of how Moses would stand in a similar spot during the Exodus and when his staff was raised, the Israelites would prevail in battle and while the staff was lowered (from tiredness) the tide of the battle would turn against the Israelites.
I feel like Gandalf zooming around on Shadowfax, getting to places before the hobbits and others do, is almost like Gandalf is the video game main character who uses fast travel too much 😋
Gandalf literally used "fly" to mean "flee" earlier in the same chapter. Glorfindel also used the word "fly" to mean "run away as quickly as possible" earlier in the same book. I have always loathed the "Gandalf was telling them to use the Eagles" BS.
I stand by my argument that the eagles are proud powerful sapient beings. If they’d knowingly born the ring-bearer, Frodo would have ended up cast to his death and the ring on the talon of the new dark lord of the four winds inside of half an hour.
Precisely 👆 The idea that Gandalf meant to literally "fly" is a result of english comprehension going down. We are a society that interprets everything as literal now, rather than a balance of figurative and literal depending on context
@ i disagree with the theory too, but it isn’t a question of English comprehension going down. It’s the idea of a word having a double meaning and it could be mistaken for meaning something else (Gandalf telling them to meet the eagles but being mistaken for just meaning fleeing) It’s WRONG. That is not what happened. But the people who came up with the clever theory were not failing to understand that fly can mean flee.
@@glamourweaver Who are you even talking to? It's _not_ a clever theory though. It's literally just misunderstanding the text. When it comes to the books, "fly" is used synonymously with "flee" & "run away as quickly as possible" multiple times. As I stated, it's literally used that way at least twice before Gandalf's fall. When it comes to the movies, it's still a lack of media literacy because people should be aware of the poetic or olde tyme language being used in the movie's world by that point. Having never discussed the Eagles at all, and given the use of language for the previous 2 hours at that point, then taking the line "fly, you fools" to mean "use the Eagles to fly" is _still_ just a lacking literacy of media & _not_ a clever theory.
"You have 5 Wraiths behind you, where the other 4 are I cannot say." Arwen, The Fellowship of the Ring. (They were fighting with Gandalf. Good job Peter Jackson.)
As for strategy, Gandalf in the Hobbit is fantastic. Not only did he help the dwarves in hopes to rebuild dwarven strength, but also to possibly rid the world of a potential ally of Sauron in Smaug. The Professor was utterly genius in writing Gandalf.
From a story telling perspective his excuse for leaving was a lot weaker in the Hobbit though. At least it made sense in LotR, but in the Hobbit he just ups and leaves. And you need him to leave because he'd solve all the problems and it'd be a boring story. You just need a good explanation for it actually in the story, not in compendiums and notes released fifty years later.
Oh, Robert; this was SO much fun!! I've enjoyed most of your other "The LOTR from N.'s perspective" videos. This one, from Gandalf's, was really satisfying. Thanks for doing the work of tracing his POV, and making it into such an enjoyable story for us. I love how you assume that we know certain things, and especially your insider jokes for those who know Tolkien's main works. A true gem in your sparkling collection. Thanks again!
Since you brought up semantics, I do think the way it's worded in the video is correctly stated, if not wholly complete. For brevity's sake it makes sense as it goes to the heart of the situation. Mandos is something of a gate keeper. That's it. Although it was Mandos who would have sent Gandalf back physically, it wasn't Mandos who basically promoted Gandalf and told him his task was not yet done. Gandalf and Mandos both are serving Elu's will at this point, perhaps a bit more directly than usual. I've always considered his shift in tact as getting new orders in light of the betrayal of Saruman. Gandalf died, drifting for awhile until he could touch base with his superiors. Once they get his report, they approved his plan, putting him in charge and sent him back. Mandos opens the way for Gandalf to return, but not before given the word from others.
There were so many who played major roles in the defeat of Sauron but I view Gandalf as being the true architect of the victory of the Free Peoples. He had the deepest commitment to his task and the best understanding of those he had been sent to aid.
It's always simultaneously amusing & annoying to see comments like this: you're acting as if you came to some conclusion on your own, when in reality you're just voicing what the story outright says as if you had to use brain power to come to that conclusion. I see this way too often in Tolkien spaces specifically. Your comment, for example, is spoken outright by Aragorn & other characters in the book itself. Great analysis 🙄
@@Richard_Nickerson Kind of unnecessary to harp on something like this. People sharing their thoughts, however trivial you might deem them, should never be discouraged. Especially not if they do indeed say something correct. Literally no harm done. If you want in depth analysis, you got a lot of it in this channel and there is no need to scour the comments and belittle others just cause they state something obvious to you. Or can you explain to me how them doing that is harmful towards you or others?
@@Richard_Nickerson Your comment is so rude and uncalled for! You should not make others ashamed of sharing their thoughts and observations and it makes you look very very foolish by doing so. @istari0 Thank you for your observation and for being a catalyst of conversation and thought.
@@jamesflood7985 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 So rude! So uncalled for! So beyond acceptable! So atrocious! Neither you nor Srynan actually read my comment, given you both responded with "they're just sharing their thoughts!" 🙄🙄🙄🙄 My entire point is that it's not an original thought. It's not an original analysis. It's not even an analysis when the text states it outright. Why tf should I pretend someone repeating what the text says itself is contributing literally anything at all?
"And if we where ever in any doubt about the strength of Gandalf what happened next should put us right." I see somebody has been watching a certain edition of return of the king where a certain Nazghul broke Gandalf staff. At least according to Peter Jackson. Well at least we now know In Deep Geeks opinion about THAT scene.
We dont really, because the witch King is more powerful at minas tirith than wethertop. „Added demonic powers“ as Tolkien described it. I think it was already mentioned some other time on this channel but im not sure.
What a beautiful, concise, and in-depth analysis! I've been reading The Lore for fifty years now, but you never fail to shed a new light or uncover a different perspective on Middle-earth mythology. Your videos are undoubtedly a labor of love. I wish to convey my deepest appreciation (along with so many others) for your work. Your site has to be at or near the summit of hope for some (at least) of the developers of UA-cam. OKAY, so get back to it and may you never run out of material!
Wow what a video. You are so great at storytelling.
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I think there's another part to the compassion with Pippin and the Orthanc stone. I think the comment, _"It will be better for him than lying in the dark while others sleep,"_ also shows Gandalf's thinking about Pippin's state of mind and how it'll be too full of worry to sleep. Particularly if he's just sitting around with nothing to do but think. Going with Gandalf obviously making him feel safer but also keeping him occupied and his mind off of his fear.
@@AristophMarloque True. I just loved the mental image of Sam rolling into Valinor with dozens of seeds each from every known varietal of pipe-weed (along with a few of his own devising).
@@andrewjuby6339 Oh, no, it's even better! When Sam shows up 60 years later he blows everybody's minds with how potent all the new strains have become!
One of my favorite Gandalf moments was near the end after Aragorn had been crowned King. He takes Aragorn to a nearby mountain where he leads him to a sapling of the White Tree. Throughout the story you get the sense that Gandalf and Aragorn are, essentially equals. But this scene really hammers home the truth that Gandalf really was a mentor to Aragorn, and that this was the last moment between a teacher and pupil.
Part of me has the feeling that the talk that Gandalf had with Tom was Gandalf trying to convince Tom and Goldberry that it was time for all of them to leave. That the world is forever changed, and that it was time for mortals, for good or for ill, to take their place as the guardians and masters of the world.
I like how Gandalf's plans almost get ruined so many times before he reuintes with Frodo in Rivendell. Getting imprisoned by Saruman, transported miles away to Edoras, losing the hobbits at Bree, then getting jumped on by Nazgul. When he says "i was delayed" in the Fellowship of the Ring film, he wasn't kidding lol. I also like to think that even though he trusts everything will work out one way or another, the arrival of the Eagles was a moment of genuine relief and surprise, as if to remind him his own words: "there are other forces at play in this world, besides the will of evil", and that Manwë isn't being a completely lazy bum in regards to Sauron wrecking havoc on Middle Earth
I am very glad for your take and interpretation of the work, because I think it’s the only one on all the internet that has me thinking; dang, I relate on a fundamental almost spiritual level to Gandalf. Old soul, love for the beautiful world and good natured people.
And he didn’t want to go. Olórin (that’s Gandalf’s real name) was afraid of Sauron, and believed himself too weak to oppose him. But Manwë and Varda persuaded him to accept the task anyway. What I find remarkable is that Olórin expected to oppose Sauron as part of a team of five Istari. The last thing he expected was that Alatar and Pallando would disappear into the east, Radagast would abandon his mission, and Saruman would turn evil, leaving Gandalf to complete the mission by himself. It was a worst-case scenario, but he didn’t hesitate. Gandalf assembled a new team and developed new strategies that turned his apparent weakness into strength. He used stealth and misdirection to keep Sauron off balance while he used his secret weapon-the hobbits-to bring down the Dark Lord.
@@MundaneGray I myself am not convinced Olórin was any lesser in might than Mairon (Sauron) was even in the beginning. I think he is far too humble and uninterested in domination to give us an accurate assessment on the topic.
The interesting thing to me about Gandalf is that the majority of those he encounters probably just assumed he was a human whose tricks gave him old age, or maybe some Numenorian blood in there. It’s almost inconceivable to the average middle earth citizen that he’s not of their world, and he never takes that for granted.
Gandalf revisiting Tom is Tolkien's way of saying that he wished to write more about Tom. Unfortunately Tom being such a homebody at this point when the world has been revealed in all of its vastness doesn't lend itself to very interesting stories.
I think a lot of it, too, was Tolkien acknowledging that Gandalf wanted rest, too, but he spent his time in Arda fulfilling his duty. Not that he was miserable, but I do think that he would have liked a simpler life, much like Tolkien himself.
@@errantwinds-up8uu It was also a recognition that Gandalf's duty barred him from conquering the Shire on behalf of the four Hobbits - his appointed role was to advise and encourage where neeeded, but to intervene only against foes that were beyond mortals - Durin's Bane, the Nazgul, Saruman at the height of his power, but not after being cast down - and even then, he was enjoined against facing Sauron directly. It was for the Hobbits to sort out their own problems, and they'd been equipped to do so, so Gandalf left them to it - visiting Bombadil was, in part, a convenient reason to accompany them most of the way, but still turn aside without making it too obvious...
@@rmsgrey > his appointed role was to advise and encourage where neeeded, but to intervene only against foes that were beyond mortals Is this your deduction from the text as a whole? Is there a specific passage in the books spelling this out?
i love how gandalf low-key struggles with his own courage. it really humanizes him. he keeps his doubts to himself for the most part, and always rises to the occasion. a practical optimist of the highest order. this is gonna be pretty controversial, but gandalf is cool af
There’s no other channel where I immediately click Like as soon as the video loads. With literally every other channel, I wait to see whether the video earns my Like. Robert is just so ridiculously good and consistent that I’ve never watched a single video that I didn’t enjoy.
Pretty sure he already did? And recently? Or maybe he re-uploaded one that was originally posted a couple years ago. I'd have to go look, but I thought he covered the Barrow "swords" (daggers).
@@boatratdaggers of Westernesse would probably bring up some good results in a search. That would focus on the information we have from the book, as opposed to the portrayal of the daggers in the movies
So Gandalf already had possession of Shadowfax way before Fangorn Forest. I suppose that's a major change from the PJ trilogy where he was introduced to Shadowfax after falling in Moria.
Excellent story-retelling, and I especially enjoy the inclusion of Tolkien's original text and it's context. That last quote sounded like Gandalf wanted to have a wonderful and utmostly natural fling with Tom, a man who needs no magic to appreciate the moment. Oh la la! I can't imagine a better ending for an old and wonderful wizard.
This is so well done and very clear to understand. You also don’t go on tangents about things that have to do with the topic but don’t need to also go into full detail. Wow this was so nice. Thank you!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤️
😅 I was shocked hearing "Eowyn marry Aragorn" at 16:24 , not looking at the screen, my world stopped until i looked back on screen and realized it was: . . . . . . . . . . "Eowyn, Merry, Aragorn, ..." ... I see what you did there! Eowyn can stop blushing now 😅
Gandalf is one of my favourite characters. But I liked him better when all I knew about him was what I read in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. He seemed a wise and highly educated human. He was part of an order (perhaps one of many) of wizards with Saruman as its head. I always felt that learning that he is an immortal being, diminished him. His order consisted of just five such beings, only three of which are ever mentioned in the main story. Rather than being part of a wider class of magicians.
Awesome idea showing the pov of one character! Hope there's more to come from this concept! I love how you put everything into greater context and filled in all the blanks of my knowledge. This is one of the videos where I soaked in each and every second and will never forget what I learnt for years to come!
This was fabulous! After many readings of the LOTR starting 52 years go and many many viewings of the movies since, I always still long for more. Long for other points of view and reiterations of what I've already surmised. And this view of LOTR's biggest bad *ss was wonderful! Thank you. ❤❤❤
this was an amazing video , being dyslexic reading Tolkien's work is hard , so things like this help fill in the gaps in my knowledge , the best escapism their is.
If Gandalf wasn't involved the ring would of been found by the dark lord, n Gandalf guided them all to victory, like Jesus Christ guides n protects us,so much of lotr,us biblical parallelism, love it since reading in high-school, oh what a discovery n love for reading this sparked in my life. Thank you JRR Tolkien.
That was heartwarming! He mostly inspired others, did plannings and fought "supernatural" evils; not a Rambo-like tornado. Yet, he was just serene with finally enjoying Life, and being happy for the bathing in Light the others could now freely and lightly enjoy (no pun intended). Just an humble being.
So you're telling me the movies left out one of the most epic battles in the entire franchise? Gandalf vs. The Nine, AT NIGHT?! Why would they leave that out???
Only a genius can write someone so powerful and keep them in the story. The powerful mentor almost always dies for the protagonist to come to the fore, but not here. Not permanently at least.
Not all youtube essayists are good at writing. Not all have soothing voices and accents. Not all of them are informative or even well informed. Lamentably, not all of them discuss the Lord of the Rings in exquisite, nerdy detail where I learn something new every video. This channel is a blessing and manages all of these things.
he needs to do an audiobook of LOTR etc
well said!
@@darrylmasters5032 I don't usually listen to audiobooks, but I'd listen to that one!
Hear here!
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"Fool being his favorite affectionate insult"
Pippin sobbing in the corner
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Love how Pippin by accident twice helped rid Middle Earth of darkness both in getting Gandalf to dispatch the Balrog and with distracting Sauron at the right moment.
My favourite little linguistic joke in LOTR is that Pippin's surname 'Took' is quite literally synonymous with the word fool. So when Gandalf exclaims, 'You fool of a Took!!' He's really saying, 'You fool of a Fool!!'
@@ChristianAkacro So it was somewhere along the lines of
"YOUR WHOLE FAMILY IS A BUNCH OF IDIOTS, BUT YOU, MAN, YOU FUCKING EXCEL AT IT!!!"
I like to think that there may be a deeper meaning here. A fool is not an idiot - intelligent people can be foolish - on their journey towards gaining wisdom through experience.
@@Chalepastel Hahaha, yes, I would believe that is just about the spirit of that message.
As Aragorn noted, when he was crowned king, "Gandalf has been the mover of all that has been accomplished. And this is his victory.."
I’ve been on this Tolkien binge for like 23 years now it’s crazy
Over 50 years for me since I was introduced to the Hobbit in the early 70's. But what really breaks my brain is it has been nearly 25 years since the first of the Peter Jackson films was released.
@@enlacostaizquierda please stop making me feel old. thank you :(
Approaching 50 for me.
In a few more seasons.
My Tolkien binge is approaching 35 yrs, and showing no signs of stopping.
Part of my brain still thinks of the Peter Jackson versions of Merry and Pippin as Pete and Steve, the old roommates I saw those movies in theatre with. Yeah, it's been a while!
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I actually got emotional at the very end thinking of the reward Gandalf received for his fidelity to his long, weary labors. Thank you 🙏🏼
Honestly, Gandalf (and the other protagonists of LotR) make me want to be a better person. If there is a God and a Heaven, I want to do good here so that I may be received well there. "Finish the fight. Stay the course. Like Gandalf did."
One fact to add to "Gandalf perspective", which is easily missed: between visiting Crickhollow and Bree, Gandalf was sure that Nazgul had taken Frodo and Ring, and now all what remains is to pursue them and hope to rescue them.
This was probably the darkes hours in his life.
“Until at last, I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.” ~ Gandalf
One of the sickest lines ever put to paper.
Agreed
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Wtf did you just compare Trump to Tolkien? Why tf are you bringing politics into this?
@@Richard_Nickerson well said. No call for it. I feel bad for trolls. Their lives must be really empty.
That line appears only in the films, not in Tolkien's writing. Though an epic line indeed! In the book he says "I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountain-side where he smote it in his ruin."
@@m.j.5681 thanks for the info. That’s a good line too, but that’s one thing that the films did better.
I like that gandalf didnt just take over everything or use his vast power, that wasn't his job, and the age to come wasn't meant to be his age it was to be the age of men, so he worked to show men who had lost faith that they were strong and capable of defying the dark power and can work to make the world a brighter place
Exactly. Gandalf's job was to help the Free Peoples of Middle Earth help themselves, not fight the war for them. That's the main reason why Gandalf was the best-suited to the Istari's mission - he was the only one who we know had enough of a fascination and respect for the peoples of Middle Earth to interact with them on a regular basis. He doesn't just travel around and visit places like the Shire because it's his job; he genuinely cares about the people he visits, and forms long-lasting friendships with many of them (we know he was friends with the Old Took even before the time of The Hobbit). That's why he could be the friend, counselor, ally, and beacon of hope to so many of the key figures in LotR.
He didn't have vast power really. He was sent to help as an old man and was limited by his physical body greatly. His power wasn't great enough to take over, and thus had to rally the people of middle earth to do the fighting.
The perfect emissary sent by Illuvatar. You are spot on with that comment. Gandalf is the embodiment of Tolkien's vision of what a good person should do in our world. You can't save the world yourself no matter how good your heart is or your ideas are... No more than Tolkien himself could save his people of the time. The best he could do and the best we can do is to influence others around us to be their best selves and perpetuate our most wholesome human qualities. I believe that's why Tolkien himself came to our world in the first place... In a very ironic sense he is Gandalf embodied in our real world for the same purpose. Perhaps he was sent here in the same way as an emissary in our darkest times. "Tolkien the Gray.... That's what they called me. That was my name" ;-)
He always makes sure to leave and let the people do the adventure lol. He only shows up if he is absolutely needed.
He really is the fatherly chaperone guiding the younglings but making sure they have time to grow and mess up and learn on their own.
The Valar had also learned their lesson about directly intervening. They eventually intervened in the war with Morgoth, and won handily. And sank a CONTINENT in the process. They knew better than to risk the collateral damage that a war between gods and angels would inflict on the now much smaller world.
I'm still waiting for LOTRs From Denethor's Perspective, especially the exploration of how Denethor merely viewed Sauron as a political adversary.
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That would be a good one. Would be a great opportunity to explain the differences of Denethor in the books versus in the movies.
Absolutely. And a deeper explanation for his attitudes toward Gandalf, Aragorn, Boromir, and Faramir. How did Denethor truly view his role as Steward?
As a political rival only?
@@Wolfeson28 Book Denethor was a much more sharply drawn, richer character with plenty of nuance. He resented his role as Steward, believing himself to be King-worthy - this was seed planted in him by Sauron via the Palantir and it festered. It's also quite likely that his antipathy to Faramir was similarly a subversion by Sauron, likely because Sauron recognized Faramir as the greater of the two brothers and the one most likely to thwart him.
“He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling”. This is such excellent, surpassing stuff as to make me long for dotage.
'But my rolling days are ending, and now we shall have much to say to one another.’
I plan to use the full quote to describe myself on the day of my retirement, and I look forward to that day.
i believe this line inspired led zeppelin in stairway to heaven.
The nuance Tolkien invests his characters with is astounding, especially with Gandalf. And Robert has a way of feeling it out and saying what is most important to understand to grasp that nuance. I'm in awe of them both,
The best Tolkien UA-camr.
He is now. Men of The West sold out while IDG redeemed himself not even covering RoP anymore
Yes !!!!
'Fool being his favorite affectionate insult.'
My favourite little linguistic joke in LOTR is that Pippin's surname 'Took' is quite literally synonymous with the word fool. So when Gandalf exclaims, 'You fool of a Took!!' He's really saying, 'You fool of a Fool!!'
It's a Swedish word I believe. At least they are still using it actively there.
@@didgruntleddansnyderfan I just asked my wife, who's Swedish, and she confirms this is true. Though it's 'Tok' in Swedish.
@@ChristianAkacro Yes, mostly used as an adjective. "Tokig", meaning someone is crazy these days more than foolish. But both sort of apply. It is not used on Norwgian and Danish though, which are usually pretty similar in many ways. At least it's easy for Danes and Norwegians to understand Swedish and vice versa.
@@didgruntleddansnyderfan Cool beans
5:45 “Where to mate?… Rivendell? North of the Greyflood at this time of night?! You’re having a laugh! Tell you what, I’ll take you to Edoras, you can get the night bus from there”
Oh boy your profile pic... wait til you find out which side Tolkien supported during the spanish civil war.
This might be my favorite IDG video to date. And it’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone use the word ‘eucatastrophe’ out loud.
This video made me cry tears of joy over a story I have known for almost 2 decades now and yet, somehow, hearing it read out loud and focusing the details of how Gandalf tried to guide and lead by example even in the most dire of circumstances just makes me happy.
The main complaint I have with the movies is in the extended edition when Gandalf faces the witch king at the battle of minas tirith that he loses to the witch king after the restrictions are removed from him when in the books he held off all 9 while his abilities where limited.
small detail: Aragorn looking in the palantír in Minas Tirith is movieverse; in the books he looks in Helm's Deep, several days earlier.
That depiction of Gandalf on the hill outside the gates of Mordor as they do battle with Sauron's Orcs is pretty much a representation of how Moses would stand in a similar spot during the Exodus and when his staff was raised, the Israelites would prevail in battle and while the staff was lowered (from tiredness) the tide of the battle would turn against the Israelites.
Amazing how much artwork has been made, and good God the writing is poetry.
Is it? 70 years since publication, 23 years since the movie, and now AI art is a thing... seems perfectly reasonable & I expect there to be even more.
I feel like Gandalf zooming around on Shadowfax, getting to places before the hobbits and others do, is almost like Gandalf is the video game main character who uses fast travel too much 😋
Gandalf literally used "fly" to mean "flee" earlier in the same chapter.
Glorfindel also used the word "fly" to mean "run away as quickly as possible" earlier in the same book.
I have always loathed the "Gandalf was telling them to use the Eagles" BS.
I stand by my argument that the eagles are proud powerful sapient beings. If they’d knowingly born the ring-bearer, Frodo would have ended up cast to his death and the ring on the talon of the new dark lord of the four winds inside of half an hour.
@@glamourweaverI always got a chuckle out of imagining them dropping Frodo into mount doom from 35,000 feet like a JDAM
Precisely 👆
The idea that Gandalf meant to literally "fly" is a result of english comprehension going down. We are a society that interprets everything as literal now, rather than a balance of figurative and literal depending on context
@ i disagree with the theory too, but it isn’t a question of English comprehension going down. It’s the idea of a word having a double meaning and it could be mistaken for meaning something else (Gandalf telling them to meet the eagles but being mistaken for just meaning fleeing)
It’s WRONG. That is not what happened. But the people who came up with the clever theory were not failing to understand that fly can mean flee.
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Who are you even talking to?
It's _not_ a clever theory though. It's literally just misunderstanding the text.
When it comes to the books, "fly" is used synonymously with "flee" & "run away as quickly as possible" multiple times. As I stated, it's literally used that way at least twice before Gandalf's fall.
When it comes to the movies, it's still a lack of media literacy because people should be aware of the poetic or olde tyme language being used in the movie's world by that point. Having never discussed the Eagles at all, and given the use of language for the previous 2 hours at that point, then taking the line "fly, you fools" to mean "use the Eagles to fly" is _still_ just a lacking literacy of media & _not_ a clever theory.
I wasn't aware that gandalf took on all the nazgul simultaneously near weathertop - epic offscreen moment.
A real hero doesn't show off his achievements.
Puts the Balrogs power levels into serious perspective
"You have 5 Wraiths behind you, where the other 4 are I cannot say."
Arwen, The Fellowship of the Ring.
(They were fighting with Gandalf. Good job Peter Jackson.)
The Nazgul were never much good at fighting. Aragorn drove away five of them using nothing but a torch.
@@RHColeThe Balrog is a Maia. The Nazgul are just shadows of their former selves, except The Witch King's power however is bizarrely potent.
I’m a simple man. I see Tolkien, I click play.
They CALL ye a GREY/WHITE Neck, reckon that You AM?🤷🏼♂️ 🤓😎🖖🏻
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Haha!
You’re the Samwise of UA-cam viewers
I'd praise the comment for being original, buuuuut.........
Gandalf: Oh no! Nazgul! But, hang on, there's no-one else around so I guess I can... FIREBALL! MAGIC MISSILE! HASTE! LIGHTNING BOLT!
POWER WORD: SCRUNCH
And when all else fails: Knights of the Round
Just use a Phoenix down on the damn thing and be done with it
@@PortCityBalrog Sorry Squall, I think you're in the wrong universe again.
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Khamul the Easterling: "Shit man, this wizard war is fucked."
I'm loving these updated episodes!
As for strategy, Gandalf in the Hobbit is fantastic. Not only did he help the dwarves in hopes to rebuild dwarven strength, but also to possibly rid the world of a potential ally of Sauron in Smaug. The Professor was utterly genius in writing Gandalf.
From a story telling perspective his excuse for leaving was a lot weaker in the Hobbit though. At least it made sense in LotR, but in the Hobbit he just ups and leaves. And you need him to leave because he'd solve all the problems and it'd be a boring story. You just need a good explanation for it actually in the story, not in compendiums and notes released fifty years later.
Oh, Robert; this was SO much fun!!
I've enjoyed most of your other "The LOTR from N.'s perspective" videos. This one, from Gandalf's, was really satisfying. Thanks for doing the work of tracing his POV, and making it into such an enjoyable story for us.
I love how you assume that we know certain things, and especially your insider jokes for those who know Tolkien's main works.
A true gem in your sparkling collection. Thanks again!
Very good.
Two points;
You forgot the river at rivendell. Gandalf enhanced the flood.
Also, eru did not send him back, that was mandos.
Well done.
Since you brought up semantics, I do think the way it's worded in the video is correctly stated, if not wholly complete. For brevity's sake it makes sense as it goes to the heart of the situation.
Mandos is something of a gate keeper. That's it. Although it was Mandos who would have sent Gandalf back physically, it wasn't Mandos who basically promoted Gandalf and told him his task was not yet done.
Gandalf and Mandos both are serving Elu's will at this point, perhaps a bit more directly than usual.
I've always considered his shift in tact as getting new orders in light of the betrayal of Saruman. Gandalf died, drifting for awhile until he could touch base with his superiors.
Once they get his report, they approved his plan, putting him in charge and sent him back. Mandos opens the way for Gandalf to return, but not before given the word from others.
Just as _The Lord of the Rings_ does every time I re-read it, to my astonishment this video brought tears to my eyes. Well done.
There were so many who played major roles in the defeat of Sauron but I view Gandalf as being the true architect of the victory of the Free Peoples. He had the deepest commitment to his task and the best understanding of those he had been sent to aid.
It's always simultaneously amusing & annoying to see comments like this: you're acting as if you came to some conclusion on your own, when in reality you're just voicing what the story outright says as if you had to use brain power to come to that conclusion.
I see this way too often in Tolkien spaces specifically.
Your comment, for example, is spoken outright by Aragorn & other characters in the book itself. Great analysis 🙄
@@Richard_Nickerson Kind of unnecessary to harp on something like this. People sharing their thoughts, however trivial you might deem them, should never be discouraged. Especially not if they do indeed say something correct. Literally no harm done. If you want in depth analysis, you got a lot of it in this channel and there is no need to scour the comments and belittle others just cause they state something obvious to you.
Or can you explain to me how them doing that is harmful towards you or others?
@@Richard_Nickerson Your comment is so rude and uncalled for! You should not make others ashamed of sharing their thoughts and observations and it makes you look very very foolish by doing so. @istari0 Thank you for your observation and for being a catalyst of conversation and thought.
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That's literally my point though: it's NOT their thoughts and they're pretending they are.
Literally the entire point of my comment.
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So rude! So uncalled for! So beyond acceptable! So atrocious!
Neither you nor Srynan actually read my comment, given you both responded with "they're just sharing their thoughts!" 🙄🙄🙄🙄
My entire point is that it's not an original thought. It's not an original analysis. It's not even an analysis when the text states it outright.
Why tf should I pretend someone repeating what the text says itself is contributing literally anything at all?
"And if we where ever in any doubt about the strength of Gandalf what happened next should put us right."
I see somebody has been watching a certain edition of return of the king where a certain Nazghul broke Gandalf staff. At least according to Peter Jackson.
Well at least we now know In Deep Geeks opinion about THAT scene.
Literally reading this comment of yours, when our Narrator voiced these words ( 7:20 ), so I'll un-pause the video now to hear "la suite" 🎉
We dont really, because the witch King is more powerful at minas tirith than wethertop. „Added demonic powers“ as Tolkien described it. I think it was already mentioned some other time on this channel but im not sure.
Yeah, that part made no sense to me, ever.
Especially not since Gandalf still has his staff later on 🤣
What a beautiful, concise, and in-depth analysis! I've been reading The Lore for fifty years now, but you never fail to shed a new light or uncover a different perspective on Middle-earth mythology. Your videos are undoubtedly a labor of love. I wish to convey my deepest appreciation (along with so many others) for your work. Your site has to be at or near the summit of hope for some (at least) of the developers of UA-cam. OKAY, so get back to it and may you never run out of material!
Wow what a video. You are so great at storytelling.
I think there's another part to the compassion with Pippin and the Orthanc stone. I think the comment, _"It will be better for him than lying in the dark while others sleep,"_ also shows Gandalf's thinking about Pippin's state of mind and how it'll be too full of worry to sleep. Particularly if he's just sitting around with nothing to do but think. Going with Gandalf obviously making him feel safer but also keeping him occupied and his mind off of his fear.
This was the "LOTR from ... perspective" I was most expecting to watch! And man, it was worth the wait! Amazing content.
Gandalf, upon arrival in the Blessed Realm after the defeat of Sauron: "I forgot to bring pipe-weed! We have to go back!"
Some time later Sam shows up and is all, "of course I brought pipe-weed and seeds to sow who do you think I am Gandalf?"
@@andrewjuby6339 You gotta be joking if you think for one second Bilbo didn't tug on his robe immediately and hand him a freshly packed pipe. LMAO
@@AristophMarloque True. I just loved the mental image of Sam rolling into Valinor with dozens of seeds each from every known varietal of pipe-weed (along with a few of his own devising).
I get it! Nothing worse than going on a road trip without weed.
@@andrewjuby6339 Oh, no, it's even better! When Sam shows up 60 years later he blows everybody's minds with how potent all the new strains have become!
Absolutely fantastic. Thankyou for making it. Takes me far away from the current craziness of the world.
One of my favorite Gandalf moments was near the end after Aragorn had been crowned King. He takes Aragorn to a nearby mountain where he leads him to a sapling of the White Tree. Throughout the story you get the sense that Gandalf and Aragorn are, essentially equals. But this scene really hammers home the truth that Gandalf really was a mentor to Aragorn, and that this was the last moment between a teacher and pupil.
This is one of your most moving work, Robert. Not that my opinion counts for much, but I dare say others will feel the same way.
Thank you!
Part of me has the feeling that the talk that Gandalf had with Tom was Gandalf trying to convince Tom and Goldberry that it was time for all of them to leave. That the world is forever changed, and that it was time for mortals, for good or for ill, to take their place as the guardians and masters of the world.
I like how Gandalf's plans almost get ruined so many times before he reuintes with Frodo in Rivendell. Getting imprisoned by Saruman, transported miles away to Edoras, losing the hobbits at Bree, then getting jumped on by Nazgul. When he says "i was delayed" in the Fellowship of the Ring film, he wasn't kidding lol.
I also like to think that even though he trusts everything will work out one way or another, the arrival of the Eagles was a moment of genuine relief and surprise, as if to remind him his own words: "there are other forces at play in this world, besides the will of evil", and that Manwë isn't being a completely lazy bum in regards to Sauron wrecking havoc on Middle Earth
Loved this video. Gandalf truly was something special
I am very glad for your take and interpretation of the work, because I think it’s the only one on all the internet that has me thinking; dang, I relate on a fundamental almost spiritual level to Gandalf. Old soul, love for the beautiful world and good natured people.
Man... i love you, i love how effortlessly you explain the intricacies of the Film/book(s) we all love.
I just can't say enough how much I love listening to Robert's videos.
Imagine being told to go and help save the world. You have to leave home and stay in middle earth for over 2000 until Sauron is defeated.
Over 3000* years
And he didn’t want to go. Olórin (that’s Gandalf’s real name) was afraid of Sauron, and believed himself too weak to oppose him. But Manwë and Varda persuaded him to accept the task anyway.
What I find remarkable is that Olórin expected to oppose Sauron as part of a team of five Istari. The last thing he expected was that Alatar and Pallando would disappear into the east, Radagast would abandon his mission, and Saruman would turn evil, leaving Gandalf to complete the mission by himself.
It was a worst-case scenario, but he didn’t hesitate. Gandalf assembled a new team and developed new strategies that turned his apparent weakness into strength. He used stealth and misdirection to keep Sauron off balance while he used his secret weapon-the hobbits-to bring down the Dark Lord.
@@MundaneGray I myself am not convinced Olórin was any lesser in might than Mairon (Sauron) was even in the beginning. I think he is far too humble and uninterested in domination to give us an accurate assessment on the topic.
This was a really good one...
One of the best channels on UA-cam. Full stop
The interesting thing to me about Gandalf is that the majority of those he encounters probably just assumed he was a human whose tricks gave him old age, or maybe some Numenorian blood in there. It’s almost inconceivable to the average middle earth citizen that he’s not of their world, and he never takes that for granted.
Heh. “Denethor was busy building himself a funeral pyre”. I snortled at that one.
I chuckered at the word "snortled."
Gandalf revisiting Tom is Tolkien's way of saying that he wished to write more about Tom. Unfortunately Tom being such a homebody at this point when the world has been revealed in all of its vastness doesn't lend itself to very interesting stories.
I wish Beorn had joined Tom and Gandalf then.
I think a lot of it, too, was Tolkien acknowledging that Gandalf wanted rest, too, but he spent his time in Arda fulfilling his duty. Not that he was miserable, but I do think that he would have liked a simpler life, much like Tolkien himself.
@@errantwinds-up8uu It was also a recognition that Gandalf's duty barred him from conquering the Shire on behalf of the four Hobbits - his appointed role was to advise and encourage where neeeded, but to intervene only against foes that were beyond mortals - Durin's Bane, the Nazgul, Saruman at the height of his power, but not after being cast down - and even then, he was enjoined against facing Sauron directly.
It was for the Hobbits to sort out their own problems, and they'd been equipped to do so, so Gandalf left them to it - visiting Bombadil was, in part, a convenient reason to accompany them most of the way, but still turn aside without making it too obvious...
@@rmsgrey > his appointed role was to advise and encourage where neeeded, but to intervene only against foes that were beyond mortals
Is this your deduction from the text as a whole? Is there a specific passage in the books spelling this out?
@@lqr824 The text, the History of Middle Earth, Tolkien's letters on the subject...
Next up: Lord of the Rings from Farmer Maggot's perspective
This is tha way
Probaly just smoking pipe weed with his bestie tom
Or from Treebeards POV...... It would be a very very very very very very very very long video
Robert has always been a big Farmer Maggot fan, so I can totally see him doing this one at some point 😅
Better than Bill The Poney's perspective.
i love how gandalf low-key struggles with his own courage. it really humanizes him. he keeps his doubts to himself for the most part, and always rises to the occasion. a practical optimist of the highest order. this is gonna be pretty controversial, but gandalf is cool af
I love your videos. You bring life to this story in a truly engaging and dynamic way.
In a sea of endless voices doing this type of content there’s something about this channel that makes it better than the rest.
Thank you very much. One of the most interesting episodes on this channel.
There’s no other channel where I immediately click Like as soon as the video loads. With literally every other channel, I wait to see whether the video earns my Like. Robert is just so ridiculously good and consistent that I’ve never watched a single video that I didn’t enjoy.
Can you do a video on Merry's sword? It seems like a key item in the story that only gets a one-sentence treatment in the book.
Pretty sure he already did? And recently? Or maybe he re-uploaded one that was originally posted a couple years ago. I'd have to go look, but I thought he covered the Barrow "swords" (daggers).
@@boatratdaggers of Westernesse would probably bring up some good results in a search. That would focus on the information we have from the book, as opposed to the portrayal of the daggers in the movies
So Gandalf already had possession of Shadowfax way before Fangorn Forest. I suppose that's a major change from the PJ trilogy where he was introduced to Shadowfax after falling in Moria.
He was all like “BIILLLLBO BAGGGINNNSSS”
Greatest little Hobbit of all
I love watching your videos before sleeping! This channel and Retney's Holocron for Star Wars content are such a gift!
Excellent story-retelling, and I especially enjoy the inclusion of Tolkien's original text and it's context. That last quote sounded like Gandalf wanted to have a wonderful and utmostly natural fling with Tom, a man who needs no magic to appreciate the moment. Oh la la! I can't imagine a better ending for an old and wonderful wizard.
This is so well done and very clear to understand. You also don’t go on tangents about things that have to do with the topic but don’t need to also go into full detail. Wow this was so nice. Thank you!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤️
Simply...the best LOTR analysis video I have ever seen! 😊
😅 I was shocked hearing "Eowyn marry Aragorn" at 16:24 , not looking at the screen, my world stopped until i looked back on screen and realized it was:
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... I see what you did there! Eowyn can stop blushing now 😅
Gandalf is one of my favourite characters.
But I liked him better when all I knew about him was what I read in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
He seemed a wise and highly educated human. He was part of an order (perhaps one of many) of wizards with Saruman as its head.
I always felt that learning that he is an immortal being, diminished him.
His order consisted of just five such beings, only three of which are ever mentioned in the main story. Rather than being part of a wider class of magicians.
Wookie chair at 11:50
I’d love to hear a ‘What if Gandalf knew Bilbo had the ring in Rivendell’ video. I wonder how different things would have gone 60 years earlier
Awesome idea showing the pov of one character! Hope there's more to come from this concept! I love how you put everything into greater context and filled in all the blanks of my knowledge. This is one of the videos where I soaked in each and every second and will never forget what I learnt for years to come!
He's done many of these. Be sure and check older videos.
@@Coder6719I will, thank you!
This was fabulous! After many readings of the LOTR starting 52 years go and many many viewings of the movies since, I always still long for more. Long for other points of view and reiterations of what I've already surmised. And this view of LOTR's biggest bad *ss was wonderful! Thank you. ❤❤❤
I love how tactfully Robert informs his viewers that, no, Gandalf was not instructing the Fellowship to use the Eagles.
I would love a video titled. Of Names and Naming in Lord of the Rings. There isn't a bad name in the whole series. JRR was a genius with language.
This man is a blessing to mankind, love the content
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Bombadil’s cottage when Gandalf came calling. To hear their conversation.
Simply? Fantastic!! What a video!! As all!! Many thanks for all these gems!!
this was an amazing video , being dyslexic reading Tolkien's work is hard , so things like this help fill in the gaps in my knowledge , the best escapism their is.
I'm so happy I found your channel. Good work sir.
Good Writer: "A touch of providence."
Me: "God yeeted that gremlin into a volcano."
'Take it off, take it off, fool of a Baggins!' XD
This channel is pure gold! I friggin love every single video ❤
This is one of your best videos. Thank you.
If Gandalf wasn't involved the ring would of been found by the dark lord, n Gandalf guided them all to victory, like Jesus Christ guides n protects us,so much of lotr,us biblical parallelism, love it since reading in high-school, oh what a discovery n love for reading this sparked in my life. Thank you JRR Tolkien.
I would love to be there when Gandalf and Tom's conversation
Robert, please consider reuploading your heroes of Middle Earth saga! I miss the lore about all my Elf heroes!
That was heartwarming! He mostly inspired others, did plannings and fought "supernatural" evils; not a Rambo-like tornado. Yet, he was just serene with finally enjoying Life, and being happy for the bathing in Light the others could now freely and lightly enjoy (no pun intended). Just an humble being.
So you're telling me the movies left out one of the most epic battles in the entire franchise? Gandalf vs. The Nine, AT NIGHT?! Why would they leave that out???
In fairness, the books left it out too. Gandalf makes a brief passing reference to it & moves on
Love your videos mate, the pacing is so relaxing
Best video so far. You can never realize any of this from the film.
True, but obviously from the books yes
My goodness! This is one of your very best works!!!!!
This might be one of my best liked episodes and topics!
That was a lovely analysis. It feels like Gandalf should have been your second perspective video after Bilbo, but it was worth the wait.
Not me crying at you just explaining the ending 😅. You definitely should read these books put loud xxx
The phrase “basically a form of elevated middle earth-smack talk” coming from rob and his stoic cadence made chuckle …don’t know why lol
Much love for this channel!!! Thank u!
This was really fantastic! Thank you!
looking forward to Aragon's perspective
Only a genius can write someone so powerful and keep them in the story. The powerful mentor almost always dies for the protagonist to come to the fore, but not here. Not permanently at least.
Another fantastic video, thank you friend.
I was hoping it would include Gandalf first forgotten mission in MEarth but oh well
This is maybe my favorite video of yours. Thank you.