Humans live longer when they have other humans. It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. If there's a pack to defend and feed and socialize with, there are important reasons for the organism to be alive. GREAT research, John -- you've really hit on something, here. Maybe you should share this with a publication and/or canine scientists. Because wow!
We lost our Macey girl 3 days ago due to her heart. She was 13 years old. I am not sure I will ever get over her. Thank God we have another 1.5 year old Dobi who is helping us get through it. She is a blessing...
I am very sorry. That is wonderful you already have a young one and that Macey did have a longer life than many. I pray you have many great years ahead with the newer pup!
So sorry for your loss. Our Dobs are our happiest hello and our hardest good bye. My female DOB spayed at 2 and was 12 &1/2 years old when I lost her. I have a 4 year old DOB now and is deaf - I love her just as much.
We got our second Dobe back in July. She had a VERY old grandma. She was either 16 or 17 when she passed, but just as amazing to us was that she had her last litter (which included our girl's mother) at the age of 13! Her family is European stock, non-show type.
Crying... so hard to watch ur videos... I miss my Yager... passed at exactly her 9th year... enlarged heart... She had a BIG ❤... love ur channel... everything you listed here fell under the largest percentages... or close to... it's been over 2 years... I still wear her dog tag... she was my everything... painful joy...😢❤
I feel your pain and agony, I lost my Luke (pictured here) last December, he was 13 years old and the treasure of my life. be strong. I'm jumping back in and getting another Dobie soon. Yager will always be with you in your heart, but it's time to give all that love to another dobie. They fill our homes with love. We need that.
@baddinosaur1548 ThankQ 4 the message and I hear you and will... got this innate intuition that moment when I do it will present itself naturally... I'm not forcing that push but the desire to have her back...❤
please know that I feel your pain. When the time is right, you will know. When you choose to get another Dobe, please know that he(or she) will be different from Yager. This is not bad. They will still be a Doberman, and they will love you unconditionally but you will find that they will be a different friend. Like I said, this is not bad, just different. My prayers are with you. .I lost my Senna to DCM. Now I have Jagger and he too is a blessing.
Thanks for your efforts to identify some of the factors that allow these amazing dobermans to live to 14 years of age or more. For my two dobermans, the first lived to 13.5 years and the second to just shy of 10 years. We always felt blessed that they were a part of our lives for so long when we were well aware of so many doberman owners who lost their family member between the ages of 5 to 7 years. For those with such short longevity, it didn't seem to matter their genetic breeding, their pre-screening, their diets, their exercise routines, or anything that has been pinned down. To loose your doberman at an early age, shortly after it has reached its' maturity would be heart breaking and I know that you have experienced that. Maybe a second survey would be valuable to evaluate the short lived dobermans to identify and reduce this heartbreaking scenario.
I definitely think there’s something to having another dog adding to longevity. Our dog had gotten pretty sedentary by age 7. Then, we got a puppy. Now at 9, he’s always in the yard wrestling or patrolling with our younger Doberman.
We have had 1 or 2 dobes for over the last 40 years. I am a firm believer in mixing table scraps with the kibble. Also we decided to fence in our back yard. And this has made having a Doberman absolutely amazing. It’s hard to believe how much they want to be with you in an outside environment without having to be on a leash. They can do their own thing while you do what ever. My two love being outside when we are out there too.
And thank you for your extraordinary efforts to propagate this wonderful breed and to provide us all, both dogs and owners, with a better life and greater understanding. 💚
John Thanks for yet another educational vid on Dobe's health. I have long suspected a mix of kibble and human food (or raw food fullstop) may be healthier than kibble alone. My Mum said back in her days, dogs (even medium to large sized) lived to 16-17. They used to feed them anything. Scraps.
i know you love Dobe"s as much as I do. Thank you for your hard work and for the information you provide I believe that you have a lot to do with convincing people that these dogs are not evil, wicked mean and nasty but are truly just great, loving family members! For this , I am grateful and I thankyou!
It sure is a task, but we are up to the challenge! Feel free to look around at other videos we've done, such as "Why Dobermans are NOT Vicious Dogs": ua-cam.com/video/N1fYiu_PxsA/v-deo.htmlsi=2bKnQbmai6oNDMlL for anyone you know who still has this stereotype of the breed!
Earlier I wrote that my dobie's meals consist of kibble, fruit vegetable, and "cheese juice", hahaha... Sorry, english is not my native language, and sometimes I make up words. Cheese juice is actually WHEY, a liquid which is a byproduct of manufacturing cheese. It is very healty, even prescribed by doctors for patients with liver problems and we all know that for dogs liver is an organ with issues. My dobies get 1 liter of natural whey per day, one half goes in the food (and they get to eat it only when kibble gets soft) and the other half they drink (with great pleasure). Yes, I agree that kibble is crap but what isn't these days... When I had only a couple of dogs I used to cook poultry, beef and herrings for them. But farm meat is full of antibiotics... and fish - oceans and seas are becoming reservoirs of God knows which poisons. Maybe longevity nowdays is actualy a pure luck not to eat something contaminated.
Excellent work and presentation! Thank you! Perhaps there are further details which you have not yet discussed, but the amount of "human" food and general obesity would make an interesting data-point.
I know nothing of my Doberman's past. He is an abandoned dog that showed up at my house in the country 5 years ago. I have another mixed-breed dog, which is 17 years old despite having a couple of health issues. My property has no fenced yard. My Doberman gets no formal exercise, but he is very active and runs all the time. I have about 4 acres of land, and there is a large pasture next door. My dog makes regular patrols along the borders of my property. He runs a great deal, weather permitting. He also chases various critters, like deer, coyotes, squirrels, and rabbits. One of my neighbors has a donkey, and my Doberman has a reserved friendship with the donkey. My Doberman has had several injuries, which are a result of these living conditions, but he seems very happy. Other than the injuries, so far his health has been good.
Your property and all the wildlife on it certainly seems like it keeps your Doberman entertained! Kudos to you for the 17 year old dog's health as well!
great video. my comment on the "dog breeder" question (about 11:30-ff), is yeah, 31% were adopted (ie, no knowledge of breeder), but look at the % of dogs where the breeder is known. if you take the small, w/extensive experience & add it to the long-time/good rep breeders, that totals 42.7%. not saying don't adopt (afterall, i'm in this category), but knowledge of the breeder seems to have a bigger input towards longevity. just something to think about. BTW, i like your ollie commercial where you show the dobe "helping" with the food prep. 😁
I give my dog at least one doggie daycare day each week, and we train multiple days each week for public access... she is in training for becoming my Service Dog. LOTS of mental stimulation. I want my dog everywhere I go... and I feed raw bits mixed with breakfast kibbles...I chose Blue Buffalo kibble, because it has decent ingredients and is balanced in nutrition. (and you can find it in most stores)
I had a red Doberman girl who lived to be 16. The other 3 I've had. The 2 male black and tan's were 9 and the Grey female was only 6 she developed cancer and they have her a month and it was fast. Thank you for the re assurance with LT. I'm getting my first Melanastic Dobermans. I'm hoping for a boy. But I'm 3rd in the list for Melanastic Males. So if their is only 2 boys. I told them I would take a girl. I'm Super Excited the litter is due December 3rd and I will get hopefully him the first week of February. Love Your channel.
While we can't give recommendations on specific breeders, you can email support@dobermanplanet.com and we can send you some helpful resources to find a reliable breeder!
Interesting study! I think I would have also asked for the owners' yearly income, or the yearly income when they had their doberman. Might be that more people feed kibble because it's affordable vs raw, and not necessarily that kibble helps with a longer life. The same can be said about having multiple dogs. They're more expensive to care for, at least properly.
Not really the same as "hybrid vigor", but some people focus more on intended genetics in breeding than is really useful for any individual dog. "Marrying" outside of your family can be a good thing.
To correct for skewing, check the average age of the dogs that fit a specific response. So for example, if 90% of dogs that lived to be over 14 lived with other dogs, but their average age is close to the average age of all dogs in the survey, that indicates it doesn’t have much of an effect. Get in contact with a data scientist (or just like, anyone trained in stats, or train yourself in stats) to help you go over these results!!!
I've had three Dobermans since 2010.The first a boy who when he was three I got a female pup for a campanion for him while I was at work.My boy died two years later at age five.I bought another boy two months later so my girl wasn't alone.They all had a large fenced yard to run and play in.That boy died in '22 from what the vet thought was cancer./at seven years of age.My girl died last year at ten years of age from an enlarged heart,or I guess it was DCM.I thught my second boy would live the longest,he supposedly came from a Hungarian sire who was health tested.I fed kibble and sometimes added can food with that.
Oh how heartbreaking. What a terrible and difficult decision to make. Hopefully you have a peace knowing you did what was best for your girl. So sorry for your loss, Matthew!
@@DobermanPlanet Thank-you, John, for your reply and very kind words.🙋🏻♂️ This thought just popped into my head. In your survey for 14+ year old Dobies, what was the color of these elderly Dobies: black, red, fawn, blue, or albino? 🤔
When most was pet/non show, I figured that was the main reason why they lived so long. As for the raw food. Unless if you also asked something along the lines of "could you afford to feed a raw food diet?" That's probably why it was so low. I think now a days especially people are realizing the importance of fresh foods even for their animals. However the way things are right now it's hard to eat healthy as is. So most people especially if they have multiple animals probably can't manage the extra cost of raw or homecooked even if they would love to be able to do it. I wish I could feed raw, but with 3 dogs and a cat I just can't swing it yet.
I have an experience you may find interesting. On 24th of March 2008. my dear Aeryn Sun gave birth to a litter of 10 puppies and I kept them all. Here is how much their lifespan was: Zaan - 6,1 years; Talin - 9,4; Stark - 10,11; Jool - 11,8; Braka - 12,5; Moya - 12,9; Scorpy - 14,2; Nemo - 14,6; D'Argo - 15,7... The last one, Chiana, is still with us, now she is 16 years and 8 months (she is just recovering from teeth operation, had to pull 4 of them out). Their mother Aeryn died when she was approximatly 16 (we do not know when she was born exactly). Their meals were mostly quality kibble mixed with fresh fruit and vegetable with lots of cheese juice. They lived indoors, slept in beds with freedom to go to the yard and garden almost whenever they wanted. Some of them were within the standard, some were smaller. D'Argo and Chiana (who lived the longest) were about 55cm tall. Stark and Scorpius were the tallest at some 70cm+, but as you can see their lifespan was shorter. Pitty you didn't put height and weight in your questioneer. I have spent 50 years with the dobies ( I am not a breeder, just someone who is in love with them) and I think that they last longer if they are smaller... Best regards 😇
That is very interesting to see how long all 10 lived, from the same litter, being fed the same diet and getting the same exercise. Thank you for sharing!
Great question! Here are two videos we did on spaying and neutering: ua-cam.com/video/YAg0LNp-2Bc/v-deo.htmlsi=lBZ1CZ_U1N7AYk_k ua-cam.com/video/hh2x_SEFlEg/v-deo.htmlsi=tI-IrzhA-xflil1V
I had a Dutch Shepherd that lived for 17 years old . Very high drive. I just received my first Doberman. I will feed raw food again. No garbage in the food along with things I can't pronounce. People that feed kibble should read about feeding real food to there dogs.
I just lost my Doberman my little beautiful girl! Lost her this Friday November 8, 2024. She was only 1 year old and 10 months old. She passed away from DCM, I feel so lost without my babygirl. 😢I don’t know how and when will I heal from her lost. 😞
Oh no, Frankie! We are so sorry to hear about the loss of your sweet girl. DCM is so devastating. We hope you will be able to heal soon from this loss. She had the best year and 10 months possible, though, no doubt, with you by her side!
@ thank you so much!! It means a lot. I definitely will be using your information moving forward. Maybe in the future once I heal from my lost. I’ll love to own another Doberman just afraid to lose again. Thank you again.
Getting my first new puppy in January from a reputable breeder, I plan to give him Heart supplements, a mix of kibble and quality wet meals and hope for a long life. Can someone give me the average price of Ollie dog food ??
To be honest, I appreciate your effort, but a lot of the data need some more detailed evaluation, especially what is statistically relevant and what not. On the other hand, really a good start.
For just a UA-cam channel, it's pretty damn good, though. Definitely overdelivering for an informal setup like his. He may well pique the attention of some well-funded researchers with the age data, because it's so significant a difference.
Thank you for your feedback! What other statistically relevant questions do you think we should have asked? It was interesting to see the results of this survey for sure!
@DobermanPlanet I think the questions were a good approach, I'm just not sure how statistically relevant the answers were. And there are some misconceptions too, for example about nutrition. Let us say you asked for the nutrition the owners feed, but what does this tell us about what they fed in the past? The interrogation group (the dogs) had all survived very long time, so it would be.mucg more interesting what they did in the past. I also suggest to repeat this questionary for all other age groups starting from 6 or 7 as this would probably give much more insight of possible causes of the most common diseases. Also please don't forget indirect causes. For example I had to let go my Doberman at the age of 11 many years ago for severe artrose, which was, in my opinion, due to suboptimal nutrition (I didn't know it better). Also, a turned stomach can be a cause of premature death. This said, I absolutely value your effort, everything we can learn to make the life of our companions better is worth the effort. Thank you
4 months is not too old. They are a blank slate, ready to learn and past the weaned puppy stage. In a matter of weeks they will bond and are willing to learn basic commands. Dobermans are very smart and will be watching you and learning your body language and developing an understanding of your household. Trust me, you won't be disappointed.
I’ve been feeding Raw to my dogs and cats for a little over 20 years now. I have never had a Doberman so I can’t speak to them. But I had one dog lived to 17 years. She was a 25 pound mutt, another dog lived 16 years she was a springer lab cross, and she even had hip dysplasia, had a cat that made it to 18 years old. So I do not think that a raw diet is a cure all or a guarantee. But I do think it gives your dog the best chance of a long healthy life. Also, I think kibble from even 20 years ago compared to kibble now Are two different things. I pretty much guarantee the kibble now is worse. With all the so-called fancy brands on the market now they’re supposedly high-end and great, they’re still kibble. Which is still crap. Highly processed and just absolutely terrible. Big food and big Pharma is not doing us or animals any favors.
You better off feeding real food than powdered or liquid supplements. Don’t give your dog fish oil give them sardines. Don’t give them a multivitamin. Give them a raw egg. Don’t give them a pro and prebiotic give them some green tripe. instead of giving glucosamine, etc., give a chicken foot.
Humans live longer when they have other humans. It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. If there's a pack to defend and feed and socialize with, there are important reasons for the organism to be alive. GREAT research, John -- you've really hit on something, here. Maybe you should share this with a publication and/or canine scientists. Because wow!
I'm not sure about that. The older I get. The less tolerant I am of people.
@@TheSupernaturalWolf41 I think that's why in the end, the young ones just send you down the river with a couple of peaches.
Thanks so much Martha! Yeah we're pretty amazed by these results too!
We lost our Macey girl 3 days ago due to her heart. She was 13 years old. I am not sure I will ever get over her. Thank God we have another 1.5 year old Dobi who is helping us get through it. She is a blessing...
I am very sorry. That is wonderful you already have a young one and that Macey did have a longer life than many. I pray you have many great years ahead with the newer pup!
Sorry for your loss. Time will heal.
@@rdutridge Thank you! At first I regretted getting another at Maceys age but now I am so thankful we did it. She has been a lifesaver for us.
@@Keith-zn4vq Thank you Keith
So sorry for your loss. Our Dobs are our happiest hello and our hardest good bye. My female DOB spayed at 2 and was 12 &1/2 years old when I lost her. I have a 4 year old DOB now and is deaf - I love her just as much.
Yesssss, please keep your videos coming. You are one of the main reasons I got a Doberman. He is 2 years old now!
Wonderful! Congratulations on your new puppy! Love hearing how much of a positive impact the channel has had on you!
We got our second Dobe back in July. She had a VERY old grandma. She was either 16 or 17 when she passed, but just as amazing to us was that she had her last litter (which included our girl's mother) at the age of 13! Her family is European stock, non-show type.
Crying... so hard to watch ur videos... I miss my Yager... passed at exactly her 9th year... enlarged heart... She had a BIG ❤... love ur channel... everything you listed here fell under the largest percentages... or close to... it's been over 2 years... I still wear her dog tag... she was my everything... painful joy...😢❤
Can relate. The worst emotional pain I've ever suffered was when I lost my dog. My sincerest heartfelt empathy goes out to you.
I feel your pain and agony, I lost my Luke (pictured here) last December, he was 13 years old and the treasure of my life. be strong. I'm jumping back in and getting another Dobie soon. Yager will always be with you in your heart, but it's time to give all that love to another dobie. They fill our homes with love. We need that.
@baddinosaur1548 ThankQ 4 the message and I hear you and will... got this innate intuition that moment when I do it will present itself naturally... I'm not forcing that push but the desire to have her back...❤
Oh how sad! So sorry for your loss of Yager! She sounds like such a wonderful companion.
please know that I feel your pain. When the time is right, you will know. When you choose to get another Dobe, please know that he(or she) will be different from Yager. This is not bad. They will still be a Doberman, and they will love you unconditionally but you will find that they will be a different friend. Like I said, this is not bad, just different.
My prayers are with you. .I lost my Senna to DCM. Now I have Jagger and he too is a blessing.
Appreciate ur's hard work with passionate ❤
Thank you!!
Thanks for your efforts to identify some of the factors that allow these amazing dobermans to live to 14 years of age or more. For my two dobermans, the first lived to 13.5 years and the second to just shy of 10 years. We always felt blessed that they were a part of our lives for so long when we were well aware of so many doberman owners who lost their family member between the ages of 5 to 7 years. For those with such short longevity, it didn't seem to matter their genetic breeding, their pre-screening, their diets, their exercise routines, or anything that has been pinned down. To loose your doberman at an early age, shortly after it has reached its' maturity would be heart breaking and I know that you have experienced that. Maybe a second survey would be valuable to evaluate the short lived dobermans to identify and reduce this heartbreaking scenario.
So good to hear that your two Dobermans lived a long and healthy life. Thank you for your suggestion of a short-lived Doberman life as well!
I definitely think there’s something to having another dog adding to longevity. Our dog had gotten pretty sedentary by age 7. Then, we got a puppy. Now at 9, he’s always in the yard wrestling or patrolling with our younger Doberman.
Completely agree with you!! Thank you for sharing this information!
We have had 1 or 2 dobes for over the last 40 years. I am a firm believer in mixing table scraps with the kibble. Also we decided to fence in our back yard. And this has made having a Doberman absolutely amazing. It’s hard to believe how much they want to be with you in an outside environment without having to be on a leash. They can do their own thing while you do what ever. My two love being outside when we are out there too.
And thank you for your extraordinary efforts to propagate this wonderful breed and to provide us all, both dogs and owners, with a better life and greater understanding. 💚
Been watching you since I decided to get a dobie, she’s 6 months now and she’s the best dog ever!
Interesting research, John! Thank you for your effort to put all this together!
Thanks so much! It was super interesting to review. So glad you enjoyed this video!
Thank you for sharing. This is great information. I'm definitely going to review this again.
Wonderful! So glad you enjoyed this video!
John
Thanks for yet another educational vid on Dobe's health.
I have long suspected a mix of kibble and human food (or raw food fullstop) may be healthier than kibble alone.
My Mum said back in her days, dogs (even medium to large sized) lived to 16-17.
They used to feed them anything. Scraps.
Excellent video. Thank you for all the information and for sharing all this information
i know you love Dobe"s as much as I do. Thank you for your hard work and for the information you provide
I believe that you have a lot to do with convincing people that these dogs are not evil, wicked mean and nasty but are truly just great, loving family members! For this , I am grateful and I thankyou!
It sure is a task, but we are up to the challenge! Feel free to look around at other videos we've done, such as "Why Dobermans are NOT Vicious Dogs": ua-cam.com/video/N1fYiu_PxsA/v-deo.htmlsi=2bKnQbmai6oNDMlL for anyone you know who still has this stereotype of the breed!
Earlier I wrote that my dobie's meals consist of kibble, fruit vegetable, and "cheese juice", hahaha... Sorry, english is not my native language, and sometimes I make up words. Cheese juice is actually WHEY, a liquid which is a byproduct of manufacturing cheese. It is very healty, even prescribed by doctors for patients with liver problems and we all know that for dogs liver is an organ with issues. My dobies get 1 liter of natural whey per day, one half goes in the food (and they get to eat it only when kibble gets soft) and the other half they drink (with great pleasure).
Yes, I agree that kibble is crap but what isn't these days... When I had only a couple of dogs I used to cook poultry, beef and herrings for them. But farm meat is full of antibiotics... and fish - oceans and seas are becoming reservoirs of God knows which poisons. Maybe longevity nowdays is actualy a pure luck not to eat something contaminated.
Excellent work and presentation! Thank you!
Perhaps there are further details which you have not yet discussed, but the amount of "human" food and general obesity would make an interesting data-point.
I know nothing of my Doberman's past. He is an abandoned dog that showed up at my house in the country 5 years ago. I have another mixed-breed dog, which is 17 years old despite having a couple of health issues. My property has no fenced yard. My Doberman gets no formal exercise, but he is very active and runs all the time. I have about 4 acres of land, and there is a large pasture next door. My dog makes regular patrols along the borders of my property. He runs a great deal, weather permitting. He also chases various critters, like deer, coyotes, squirrels, and rabbits. One of my neighbors has a donkey, and my Doberman has a reserved friendship with the donkey. My Doberman has had several injuries, which are a result of these living conditions, but he seems very happy. Other than the injuries, so far his health has been good.
Your property and all the wildlife on it certainly seems like it keeps your Doberman entertained! Kudos to you for the 17 year old dog's health as well!
Interesting for sure
great video. my comment on the "dog breeder" question (about 11:30-ff), is yeah, 31% were adopted (ie, no knowledge of breeder), but look at the % of dogs where the breeder is known. if you take the small, w/extensive experience & add it to the long-time/good rep breeders, that totals 42.7%. not saying don't adopt (afterall, i'm in this category), but knowledge of the breeder seems to have a bigger input towards longevity. just something to think about.
BTW, i like your ollie commercial where you show the dobe "helping" with the food prep. 😁
I give my dog at least one doggie daycare day each week, and we train multiple days each week for public access... she is in training for becoming my Service Dog. LOTS of mental stimulation.
I want my dog everywhere I go... and I feed raw bits mixed with breakfast kibbles...I chose Blue Buffalo kibble, because it has decent ingredients and is balanced in nutrition. (and you can find it in most stores)
With the raw diet, that number doesn't mean anything until the study reveals what percentage of 100% raw feeders were IN it.
I had a red Doberman girl who lived to be 16. The other 3 I've had. The 2 male black and tan's were 9 and the Grey female was only 6 she developed cancer and they have her a month and it was fast. Thank you for the re assurance with LT. I'm getting my first Melanastic Dobermans. I'm hoping for a boy. But I'm 3rd in the list for Melanastic Males. So if their is only 2 boys. I told them I would take a girl. I'm Super Excited the litter is due December 3rd and I will get hopefully him the first week of February. Love Your channel.
While we can't give recommendations on specific breeders, you can email support@dobermanplanet.com and we can send you some helpful resources to find a reliable breeder!
Interesting study! I think I would have also asked for the owners' yearly income, or the yearly income when they had their doberman. Might be that more people feed kibble because it's affordable vs raw, and not necessarily that kibble helps with a longer life.
The same can be said about having multiple dogs. They're more expensive to care for, at least properly.
Yes, the wealth of the owners could certainly affect the quality of diet and also the level and quality of veterinary care throughout their lives.
Not really the same as "hybrid vigor", but some people focus more on intended genetics in breeding than is really useful for any individual dog. "Marrying" outside of your family can be a good thing.
Very true!
To correct for skewing, check the average age of the dogs that fit a specific response. So for example, if 90% of dogs that lived to be over 14 lived with other dogs, but their average age is close to the average age of all dogs in the survey, that indicates it doesn’t have much of an effect. Get in contact with a data scientist (or just like, anyone trained in stats, or train yourself in stats) to help you go over these results!!!
It would be cool to look at results for age 14+ and compare them to results under age 14. That would really help highlight any differences
I've had three Dobermans since 2010.The first a boy who when he was three I got a female pup for a campanion for him while I was at work.My boy died two years later at age five.I bought another boy two months later so my girl wasn't alone.They all had a large fenced yard to run and play in.That boy died in '22 from what the vet thought was cancer./at seven years of age.My girl died last year at ten years of age from an enlarged heart,or I guess it was DCM.I thught my second boy would live the longest,he supposedly came from a Hungarian sire who was health tested.I fed kibble and sometimes added can food with that.
My 1st red girl Dobie lived to 14, John. The vet recommended that we put her down. I cried for a week every day. 😭 My little red dog.
Oh how heartbreaking. What a terrible and difficult decision to make. Hopefully you have a peace knowing you did what was best for your girl. So sorry for your loss, Matthew!
@@DobermanPlanet Thank-you, John, for your reply and very kind words.🙋🏻♂️ This thought just popped into my head. In your survey for 14+ year old Dobies, what was the color of these elderly Dobies: black, red, fawn, blue, or albino? 🤔
When most was pet/non show, I figured that was the main reason why they lived so long. As for the raw food. Unless if you also asked something along the lines of "could you afford to feed a raw food diet?" That's probably why it was so low. I think now a days especially people are realizing the importance of fresh foods even for their animals. However the way things are right now it's hard to eat healthy as is. So most people especially if they have multiple animals probably can't manage the extra cost of raw or homecooked even if they would love to be able to do it. I wish I could feed raw, but with 3 dogs and a cat I just can't swing it yet.
I have an experience you may find interesting. On 24th of March 2008. my dear Aeryn Sun gave birth to a litter of 10 puppies and I kept them all. Here is how much their lifespan was: Zaan - 6,1 years; Talin - 9,4; Stark - 10,11; Jool - 11,8; Braka - 12,5; Moya - 12,9; Scorpy - 14,2; Nemo - 14,6; D'Argo - 15,7... The last one, Chiana, is still with us, now she is 16 years and 8 months (she is just recovering from teeth operation, had to pull 4 of them out).
Their mother Aeryn died when she was approximatly 16 (we do not know when she was born exactly).
Their meals were mostly quality kibble mixed with fresh fruit and vegetable with lots of cheese juice. They lived indoors, slept in beds with freedom to go to the yard and garden almost whenever they wanted. Some of them were within the standard, some were smaller. D'Argo and Chiana (who lived the longest) were about 55cm tall. Stark and Scorpius were the tallest at some 70cm+, but as you can see their lifespan was shorter.
Pitty you didn't put height and weight in your questioneer. I have spent 50 years with the dobies ( I am not a breeder, just someone who is in love with them) and I think that they last longer if they are smaller...
Best regards 😇
That is very interesting to see how long all 10 lived, from the same litter, being fed the same diet and getting the same exercise. Thank you for sharing!
Is it worth sticking to breeders who can provide the ‘bred for longevity certificate’? Not too many breeders in my area after that.
Any kind of information between deaths by DCM and ages at time of death?
I just lost my 13 your old girl. I pray that we can make strides to help increase the life span of the pups being born.
Oh we are so sorry to hear that! Yes, absolutely agree with you there.
We have an 18y.o. Basenji!
Wow!!! How wonderful!! Love hearing that. Please give Basenji some treats and pets from us!
Can you make the Google survey results themselves public so we can analyze them more thoroughly?
Yup! They ARE public! Link to the full results are in the description of the video!
Mine just made 16.
Wow! Super awesome!!
European dobies often have the enlarged heart issue. More so than American dobies.
One question I would like to ask you is whether it is necessary to neuter male or female Dobermans that we keep?
Great question! Here are two videos we did on spaying and neutering:
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@@DobermanPlanet highly appreciate for your reply, I am Rohan From Mumbai, India. I Love Euro Dobies....
I had a Dutch Shepherd that lived for 17 years old . Very high drive. I just received my first Doberman. I will feed raw food again. No garbage in the food along with things I can't pronounce. People that feed kibble should read about feeding real food to there dogs.
I just lost my Doberman my little beautiful girl! Lost her this Friday November 8, 2024. She was only 1 year old and 10 months old. She passed away from DCM, I feel so lost without my babygirl. 😢I don’t know how and when will I heal from her lost. 😞
Oh no, Frankie! We are so sorry to hear about the loss of your sweet girl. DCM is so devastating. We hope you will be able to heal soon from this loss. She had the best year and 10 months possible, though, no doubt, with you by her side!
@ thank you so much!! It means a lot. I definitely will be using your information moving forward. Maybe in the future once I heal from my lost. I’ll love to own another Doberman just afraid to lose again.
Thank you again.
Alright, this confirms Bubba is getting a girlfriend.
Love it!! It does look like it'll help him live a longer life! ;)
Getting my first new puppy in January from a reputable breeder, I plan to give him Heart supplements, a mix of kibble and quality wet meals and hope for a long life.
Can someone give me the average price of Ollie dog food ??
To be honest, I appreciate your effort, but a lot of the data need some more detailed evaluation, especially what is statistically relevant and what not. On the other hand, really a good start.
For just a UA-cam channel, it's pretty damn good, though. Definitely overdelivering for an informal setup like his. He may well pique the attention of some well-funded researchers with the age data, because it's so significant a difference.
Thank you for your feedback! What other statistically relevant questions do you think we should have asked? It was interesting to see the results of this survey for sure!
@DobermanPlanet I think the questions were a good approach, I'm just not sure how statistically relevant the answers were. And there are some misconceptions too, for example about nutrition. Let us say you asked for the nutrition the owners feed, but what does this tell us about what they fed in the past? The interrogation group (the dogs) had all survived very long time, so it would be.mucg more interesting what they did in the past. I also suggest to repeat this questionary for all other age groups starting from 6 or 7 as this would probably give much more insight of possible causes of the most common diseases. Also please don't forget indirect causes. For example I had to let go my Doberman at the age of 11 many years ago for severe artrose, which was, in my opinion, due to suboptimal nutrition (I didn't know it better). Also, a turned stomach can be a cause of premature death. This said, I absolutely value your effort, everything we can learn to make the life of our companions better is worth the effort. Thank you
Is 4 months too old to get a puppy? I’m worried that she’ll already be loyal to her breeder only and have a hard time adapting to me
4 months is not too old. They are a blank slate, ready to learn and past the weaned puppy stage. In a matter of weeks they will bond and are willing to learn basic commands. Dobermans are very smart and will be watching you and learning your body language and developing an understanding of your household. Trust me, you won't be disappointed.
I’ve been feeding Raw to my dogs and cats for a little over 20 years now. I have never had a Doberman so I can’t speak to them. But I had one dog lived to 17 years. She was a 25 pound mutt, another dog lived 16 years she was a springer lab cross, and she even had hip dysplasia, had a cat that made it to 18 years old. So I do not think that a raw diet is a cure all or a guarantee. But I do think it gives your dog the best chance of a long healthy life. Also, I think kibble from even 20 years ago compared to kibble now Are two different things. I pretty much guarantee the kibble now is worse. With all the so-called fancy brands on the market now they’re supposedly high-end and great, they’re still kibble. Which is still crap. Highly processed and just absolutely terrible. Big food and big Pharma is not doing us or animals any favors.
This video comes out the day after my girl died at 9.5.
Sorry to hear that.
@ thank you.
Damn..sorry😞👊🏻
So sorry...same for us 3 days ago :-(
So sorry...same for us 3 days ago :-(
You better off feeding real food than powdered or liquid supplements. Don’t give your dog fish oil give them sardines. Don’t give them a multivitamin. Give them a raw egg. Don’t give them a pro and prebiotic give them some green tripe. instead of giving glucosamine, etc., give a chicken foot.
Great tips! Use what nature gave us!
Did you ask about vaccines?
interesting but obviously just for entertainment value and not a significant enough study
The problem with this is that you don't provide comparison to those that don't live long. There is ZERO scientific value here.