The Best Mid Range Swiss Automatic Diver Duel - Glycine Combat Sub Vs Squale 1521
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Ever since the Glycine Combat Sub arrived its made me question the Squale 1521 dominance as the reigning champion of the mid-range divers. So, a showdown was inevitable and today it goes down. Will the Vietnam veteran kill the mediterranean killer shark?
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It's probably my military upbringing but I love the aesthetics of the Glycine. Great video Tristano.
Tough call, TGV. Before meeting the Glycine, the Squale had me (I mean come on, that blue is mesmerizing!). However, there's something about the Glycine that just makes it snap for me. Maybe it's the crisp lume on the numerals and the curved lugs that are the siren's song.
Definitely go with the Goldeneye. It's beautiful.
I personally would sell the 1545 Heritage and get the Goldeneye, I think it would fill the same role in your collection. The Heritage is a really nice watch, but I think the Goldeneye is more or less the same thing, with more originality and character.
+8Seven65
Agree 100%, get the "Goldeneye" or the two-tone blue n gold, had that version with the numbers in '07 and had to send it to Kent Parks for re-luming, lume was crap, newer versions without the numbers have much better lume, my preference is the blue and gold on navy blue fabric strap
It's astonishing that you can now get the combat sub for under $400
1 vote for the Glycine
I'm a diving instructor and have done my trimix diving course. I've only got down to 75m, and that involved 4 tanks and hours of deompression. I'll never get to 200m.
Anyway... I personally prefer the Glycine and have gone for one. I didn't factor in the x factor and style in your report because I think they're subjective... so the Glycine wins on non subjective points by 2. I actually prefer the look of the Glycine too... so it wins by a bit more to me :D I woke up the other day and misread my Seiko - so lost 1h sleep because of it. The lumed numbers on the Glycine should help stop that happening... and I'm not talking about a combat military situation where lives are at stake... I'm just talking about me getting a full nights sleep and not misreading the watch when half dozy thinking I've got to get up.
PS... thanks for your reviews... I love your channel - very professional and informative. Great fun to watch, no pun intended ;D
I am trained as a recreational diver and the deepest I have been is 90 ft. I was wearing a Citizen quartz diver rated to 200m. That said, i think there is a cool factor to machines that can handle extreme environments. What I wonder now is if 300m is the new indicator of quality. You have the Submariner, the Seamaster and the Marine Master all being premium dive watches and all being rated to 300m.
That’s analog watches for you.
Sometimes you read them wrong.
But they look so much better than a digital battery powered watches.
EMP proof too.
I think the Combat Sub case design is about function, but with style as well. The curved lugs, with the sweeping and dipping lines from the crown guard to the lug tip make for a great style as well. I think Glycine did a great job with what little they had to work with, being such a slim case and all. I was all about getting a Squale 1521, but the Glycine has me rethinking. I think if the Combat Sub came with a domed crystal like some of the 1521's, that would be enough to tip me. Great video TGV
Haven't tried a Square yet but have 3 Gylcine's ( Glee' cine, according to their website) but I will take Glycine all day long, more streamline asthetic along with the functionality as you mentioned. It's all personal preference when comparing apples to apples. Great review as always. Appreciate your time and effort to bring these watches in front of the community of watch afectionato's.
Probably one of your best videos on a fantastic duel that I have been anxiously awaiting. Squale owes you some profit mate, I wonder how many people bought a 1521 after this video? I sure did! been eyeing it for months but the style, value and xfactor are unrivaled and too tempting to resist, had to give in. Cheers and thanks for your always amazing content!!
Great watches both, but I love the Squale for the x-factor...
+555 Gear Thank you Andrew, its funny how that inexplicable thing just wipes away its competition.
Best regards,
TGV
Well, a quibble about the rating scheme. All your categories are weighted equally. I would give build quality more weight as that is the more practical consideration. Putting style points on an equal basis seems very subjective. In this case, it simply did not seem that the Squale deserved to win by 2 points. When you described the build quality of the Glycine in much more glowing terms, that seems more important to me. My $.02.
Really enjoyed this comparison video, I would LOVE to see a "Glycine Combat Sub vs Certina DS Action"
Great review.. I think the thinness (for me) should add points to the xfactor.
Something about that thinness that really lends to the unique aesthetic of the Glycine.
But indeed a personal appreciation.
Glycine should get huge props for being the thinnest real diver accessible by the common man. And it's not flashy.
First, I love this review. it was excellent. having said that, the X factor is your subjective dimension, and I completely appreciate it. I would have rated slightly differently. no offense TGV - but every time I see that Squale, It reminds me of my dogs' food bowls. I give you the win in that it is unique, but aesthetically the Glycine is more appealing. But, to be fair, the glycine doesn't have anything particularly unique about it. I think I would have given the squale a 9 and the glycine an 8. the glycine doesn't do anything particularly new, but the squale looks like a kitchen appliance. :) I agree with everything else. the squale still wins by a very small margin in my book. This whole discourse should be tempered by the knowledge that my most expensive watch is a quartz Movado. perhaps, my opinion is irrelevant. Awesome work, T, as always. I really do like your dimensional comparative measurement. its fair, but leaves room for aesthetics. you like what you like, and that is the whole point.
+Namon Dimitroff (Convos) Thank you Namon, excellent comment.
Best regards,
TGV
+Namon Dimitroff (Convos) Awesome comment.
Just picked up a glycine combat sub for 430 dollars. Who wins in value now?
Glycine
Just picked one up. Waiting on delivery. How you feel about the watch?
Got a Glycine combat sub @ Costco for 279.99$.
Where did you purchase it from?
@ThisnThatPackRat know a good online shop to look for some? thanks
Thanks to Grobnob for intelligent and informed comments re depth ratings of diver style watches.
It has been a couple of decades since I have scuba-dived and even then few would use a mechanical watch for it's purported use...all digital watches/depth gauges/decompression timers.
The only thing that thousands of metres water resistance guarantees is that it won't fit under your sleeve ... 'though I remember that James Bond used his as a knuckleduster.
In my rating system points would be deducted on a sliding scale after 200m W/R.
Love the reviews! Learning so much, I only wish I found your reviews sooner. Thanks!
You can buy a Combat Sub for less than $300 now. Hard to beat. Wears fabulously well.
I have the GL0093, GL0171 and GL0265. Love Glycine. Next on the list is Squale 1545 and 1521. And maybe a Glycine Aquarius Sub... Onwards to glory!
Great comparison video. Could you just imagine the Glycine in "Squale blue". Now that would be some watch!
+Daniel McLaughlin OMG!!!!! That would be AMAZING.
Great idea, thank you Daniel,
Best regards,
TGV
I’m so glad I never pulled the trigger on glycine when pricing was that high because I was able to buy a combat sub a combat chronograph and a Pvd airman new for $250 or less for each that’s 3 watches for half the retail price of 1 combat sub That’s crazy! I was immediately impressed by the quality and the movement for that little money is great value any I’m glad I did because I probably would have never experienced one and the price now is skyrocketing
The glycine wins if you get it cheap on mass drop. Unbelievable prices.
Great video as always TGV! I too would pick the Squale 1521 over the Glycine. There's just something with its beautiful design and size. Maybe they should bump up the price a little to address the build issues you mentioned.
I hope one day you can get an Oris 65 to review. I think it's an absolute killer at the $1000 price point. Would love to see it up against the reigning champ.
+Raymond Wong I LOVE the 65, I will see what I can do.
Thank you Raymond.
Best regards,
TGV
You should do a duel between the combat sub vs the Sinn 104
i have a Glycine Compressor 1965 gold with date window... is a beautifull vintage watch!!!
I have a combat sub 42mm two tone. For the money it’s unbeatable
Hi TGV,
Great comparison as usual!
I have got a question regarding women's watches. I've been searching for a watch for a lady that would be (most preferably): quartz (I was trying to convince her to go for automatic, but with no result), with a simplistic but yet elegant layout and priced below 2500 Euro. Although something a bit more premium would be preferable, this watch is a good example (in terms of layout) of what we are looking for: Maurice Lacroix Eliros EL1084SS002810. I'm definitely not familiar with woman's watches-that's why I'm asking for help. Do you know any watches that are worth considering at this price point?
All the best,
Paul
Hello TGV, I'm a recent subscriber. I came across your channel while searching for a repair shop to send my 16610 Submariner to for an overhaul. I love the channel and it has rekindled my interst in fine timepieces, so much so, that I've purchased an Oris Aquis Blue Ceramic, an Oris Aquis Titanium Chronograph and a Blue Squale 1521, and am seriously considering a Glycine Combat Sub, which leads me to ask if you are aware of any difference between the 3908-19ATN-D9 and the 3863-19ATN-D9? Keep up the good work brother, pure class! Cheers!!
Great vid T!
For some reason the Glycine you are reviewing doesn't do it for me, however the golden eye and the black out versions are really cool. I think the Squale is a great "summer watch" and aesthetically is hard to beat.
Thanks for sharing this great review. Cheers!
+daltonjr LOL DAMN! Exactly same feeling here! I was thinking the exact same ''it doesn't DO !IT! for me''... that combat submariner.
I just have to say that I’m getting ready to buy a glycine combat so I found this to be of great help! But on the squale it has SQUALE engraved on the side of the case....... isn’t that one reason my invictas take so much heat for? I’m not comparing quality between invicta and squale but but the fact is when you look at the watch to me it looks good enscribed on the side. It’s funny when everyone rips on my invicta now all I have to say is look at the squale lol but great review on these two great watches!!
Sooo true. The watch community can be moronic.
I know this was done a year ago. But I just watched this awesome. I now have a glycine and a squale matic. I would agree they are super close
nice review tgv, as always! still glad that squale kept the crown ;) I think you should try to include the Christopher Ward trident c60 600m into this duel, because I think it could be a tough rival for both of these two! I ordered one for myself as a graduation present last weekend and could not be more excited!
+julius lahtinen Thank you Julius, I often came close to buying the newer trident but I feel its a brand I have already covered and owned. Besides, I have countless watches on my hit list I have my eyes on.
I might try to borrow one to review. Shame really CW should reach out to me, I would be happy to review their products.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
That's a tough pick, both are amazing but I would say if I had to pick Id go after the glycine👍🇮🇹
@theurbangentry You should have a duel between Glycine Combat Sub vs. Baltic Aquascaphe.
I own both of these watches, actually the Glycine bronze. I prefer the Glycine. Just wears better and feels more solid. Love the Glycine.
The Glycine has
gone way down in price. I just picked up a Combat Sub for $296.
How did the Glycine price go down to $400s from $1400s? Was is super overpriced to start with?
I have to say they glycine really impressed me. the blackness of the bezel is very nice. I have not watched your review, work has been eating into my watching time, but is it's bezel ceramic? That is literally the only reason I do not own a squale. That and the fact I need to buy a Watch that isn't a diver...
Also that Navitimer is looking amazing. Nice purchase.
Take care,
Ron
+ron “randomfied” p Thank you Ron,
Best regards,
TGV
Will you produce a video about sub $500 moonphase watches and sub $1,000 repeaters?
They are no longer on the saltzman website. I don't believe they carry Glycine anymore.
Until glycine makes like....a 39mm sub, they won't make my wishlist
hey govna. do any manufacturers still make the regatta yacht timer?
It's worth noting that only professional (or very serious recreational) divers are going to dive below 130 feet or so, and very very few will be diving below 600 feet, so to me the 200m is more than adequate. While having a higher depth rating is a testament to superior engineering and realizing that greater than static pressure is exerted during arm motion at depth, I don't think that the added thickness is needed for most people. To me, that's the other version of the "large diameter" trend, watches that are rated to very high depths and are very thick, even when the diameter is relatively small. Both are amazing watches though!
+Yankee Rider I agree. All I need is 200m to feel perfectly comfortable in the swimming pool or ocean or on a recreational dive. I'll never do deep sea diving, at least I don't plan on it. 200m covers all of my needs.
+Yankee Rider Thank you, great comment.
Best regards,
TGV
better if you have the PRE INVICTA glycine combat sub
I wish I had been able to find that model of the Combat Sub at the same deal I found for their more simplistic black face version for $359. It's so unique and in my opinion more pragmatic. I don't think you could wear it with a suit really but it would easily fit with a uniform. Reminds me almost of a Marathon GSAR mixed with your more common Submariner homage.
You can find it at Ashford
Thank you for your gorgeous review! The Squale 1521 seems, to me, very similar to a Doxa vintage sub watch, I mean the 250T (but I can be wrong) a '70 watch. The case shape seems very similar, also the particular shape of the case at the crown side. Since the Squale brand, started by providing cases for swiss watch companies, also for Doxa watches, I think it is indeed possible that the case is really the "same". Very nice watch, in the future I'd like to evaluate and maybe get a sub like Squale, Doxa or B&R ones. For the moment I really like my Glycine combat sub 42mm 3863.3 "vintage" and my Black GL0096 48mm.
Dear sir, lovely video and thank you.
However, your phrase ‘Highly unique’ is tautologous, there cannot be degrees if uniqueness, it is a binary. Something is unique or it is not.
I have both brands and admire them both. They give me as much pleasure as my Breitlings, Omegas and Rolexes. Why ? Better colours. So many wonderful micro and midi brands now on the market which allow one to have an ETA for five hundred buckaroos.
Very good video, however I would have gone with the Glycine. The Squale is well built, but if the two were sitting side by side and I had to make up my mind, it would be the Glycine. It just speaks louder to me than the Squale.
+Harold Bullock Thank you Harold, perfectly understandable, and to be honest, either way you go, its a winner. But as you so rightly say, it must "speak" to you.
Best regards,
TGV
Years later these options are still great. I own both and if you told me I had to sell one, I'd likely sell the Glycine because my Squale looks more unique to my eye. As a watch lover and having over 100 watches, the Glycine blends into the watch box next to others while the Squale always catches my eye. I plan to keep them both and hand down to my son one day. Anyone trying to pick between the two should never second guess their decision because regardless of choice, it's a winner.
Except now a Combat Sub can be had for around $400. My how things have changed😅 nowadays the Glycine is the clear winner just based on how flippin cheap they are. That said I love the Squale and have refrained from pulling the trigger many times. Its a beautiful piece!
Gly.ofcourse
I love your watch comparisons and I use the same system to compare watches that I want to purchase. I have the Glycine with the root beer bezel and it's just absolutely beautiful. Thanks for the video!
I will admit that I winced when you knocked on the watch! XD
Thanks TGV based on your reviews I just picked up a glycine combat sub and I love it! Thanks for your insights. I love learning the history of some of these time pieces! Spectacular!!
what do you think about invicta owning glycine now ?
Hello again! :) Great video as usually!
For me the "winner" is Glycine. I don't underestimate Squale 1521, but I personally like Glycine most. Why? Well, for my taste this is THE watch.
Cheers!
Thank you my friend, I can understand that ;-)
Best regards,
TGV
Gotta go with the Glycine. If you need a Diver, get a DIVER. For most of us who want a watch to handle getting wet in most if not ALL situations we might find ourselves in, but still have a comfortable EDC type watch the Glycine wins hands down between these two. I prefer the Glycine Combat Sub Golden Eye as it looks just fine on my wrist in shorts on the boat, in Camo in the field, or in a tux at a black tie event. That is what this comparison is about. Neither watch wins in a true "Diver" watch competition. That is MY X factor opinion.
I really enjoy these detailed and complete comparisons you do. I certainly learn a lot about both watches every time. I would suggest that you’re rating system is somewhat biased, just is anyone’s would be. As someone else has mentioned, one thing missing in these valuations is an importance multiplier for each category. In other words, overall quality might be more important than style to some. Of course, this is where a comparison like this becomes even more subjective. As a collector, I personally value style very highly, and quality, though a factor, is not as important to me. In the case of a tool watch such as these, it becomes even more so. A diver will certainly rate these watches very differently than a non-diver, such as myself. The whole thing is very relative, and is entirely based on our individual biases. I admit that while I enjoy these valuations very much, while they also frustrate me because I would evaluate very differently. Of course this is not because I would do it better than you, no matter how much I’d like to think so 🧐, but because our basic motives for collecting watches are quite different.
Frustrations aside, I want to be clear that you’re doing a great job with a difficult process.👍
Great review.I have the Glycine Combat Sub in 47 mm with gray/black nato reinforced strap looks great dressed up or down.Fits easily under sleeve.Glycine's lume quality is outstanding.
Xfactor seems like the style category renamed. Should be a tie. Glycine for me.
Agree X-factor is based on aesthetics so should be under the style category
I really like both! I own the 1521 and I will buy a Combat Sub in the style shown here. In July 2019, you can buy the 1521 for $830 US at Gnomon. The same style Combat Sub seen in this video is now $520! So the Combat Sub is now the better value. The Squale 1545 now has a ceramic bezel and I wear the 1545 Militaire and my 1521 more often than any of my other mechanical watches.
Interesting comparo, TGV. Now, you have to match up the Squale against the Christopher Ward C60 Trident Pro 600 (the new one, not the original). I think the Chr Ward would give the 1521 a real run for it's money (it has an additional 100 meters depth rating on the Squale).
Totally subjective, but I don’t think the Squale comes close to the Glycine, which may be my next watch.
Nice little vid there as usual! I looked at the Glycine combat sub orange/blue and I must say it stands out from all the others.
i.imgur.com/bky9z8F.jpg
/Dandy Fur
TGV - As a 1521 Satinato owner and follower of the Glycine I was very interested in your duel. Although I do like many of the Combat Sub's features in their own right, there is something about the 1521 that makes it more special (it's the x-factor, there's teh 2 point difference). Since I've had my 1521, nearly seven weeks of continuous wrist time, it has gained but a minute and seven seconds. I know this might change over time, but the performance has been amazing. I love it, people comment on it and I couldn't be happier. Thanks for bringing Squale to us and for the duel ... both great watches.
+Robert Wash Thank you Robert!
Best regards,
TGV
Hi... can you pls. do a review abt. SAN MARTIN 62mas homage?... i ordered it on ebay... thank you... nice review by the way...
Well you can find the exact Glycine for less than $400 new. Which I don't think detracts from the quality of the watch.
Great duel! That was a close race. Well done bro.
I just paid 296 for the Glycine. Better value in my eyes.
How did u get it so cheap?
I decided to buy both. Other half likes subs so she wears them as well, but with girly colored NATOs.
Both fantastic watches. I agree with the style and x- factor categories pushing the Squale slightly ahead. Love the 'je ne sais quoi' flair of the 1521. One of my absolute favorite versatile pieces - thank you for introducing the brand to me!
@TGV
Convos seems to be suggesting to you that your beloved Squale is a bit of a dog's dinner.
In your opinion, is there a better value watch in compared to the Glycine Combat Sub with metal bracelet at USD 669? I am aware of Squale. Personally, I don't fancy the design and style. Anything? It does not have to be a diver.
Hey Governor what do you make of the Tag Heur Aquaracer Calibre 5 automatic(WAN2111.BA0822) which a guy is selling for 1200$.What precautions should i be taking when buying a second hand Tag...Much appreciated.
Hi TGV,
I would have bet the Glycine is a regicide to the Squale. Especially in the Golden Eye design. But I think the Heritage Version of the Squale is quite as nice. I'm glad I only have to watch the duels and not to judge! ;)
Btw I have dueled both Nomos "Ahoi" version last night. And now I'm about 95% sure to go with the very dark Atlantic blue dial that seems to be almost black. I'm very excited to pull the trigger tomorrow evening, if Wempe is going to give me at least 3% more discount... :)
All the best,
Claus
+Claus-L. Müller (CLMac66) Haha, thank you Claus,
LOVE that Nomos!!!! keep me posted, dying to see it.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Costco has the combat sub for $280.00. Great video!
Just a suggestion > what about adding a 'wear' category which would test which watch is more comfortable on the wrist
Now you gave me hard time with this review! :) I was already considering buying the Glycine Sub Combat (the one with blue dial and golden crown -it still has the Glycine logo on the dial), but after seeing your Squale related videos I am just not that sure anymore. I am starting to like the Squale 1521, the more I see the Ocean blaster Blue version, the more I like it. Both are similar in a way, but so different...unfortunately I do not have any plan to buy them (as they both are diver's watch). Keep up the good work!
The movements are the same but the screwdown crown on the Squale is atrocious. Also the bezel on the Glycine is nicer, although not perfect. Squale is stocky, Glycine is quite the modern size (large-ish). I give Squale 1.5/5 and Glycine 2.5/5
+bladenator90 Thanks for the input,
Best regards,
TGV
7 years later. GL0083 Combat Subs are all over the net at $250ish, and even Costco just blew out pallet loads at under $300. Quite a drop from paying a grand for one at Saltzman's, isn't it?
With the leather strap on the Navi, it looks way too big and bulky on your wrist. Maybe a nato or a flat tapering leather strap? Nice watch non the less.
GLYCINE is good but i consider it on the lower end of a swiss made watch. when i bought my combat sub it said the original price was over a thousand on jomashop and ashford but the selling price was lowered to $500 if you look around you can find a better deal on ebay for $329 i wonder if this is because invicta got involved with glycine and screwed them up. im looking to get a DOXA or a SQUALE. im leaning towards the squale.
I need your help sir, I am choosing between Steinhart Ocean 500 titanium, marathon medium automatic, glycine combat sub. Ideally I would go for Sinn ezm 3 but availability is a problem in my country.... my purpose of the watch is for edc. in terms of quality and practicality for my purpose would you be kind enough to give me a quick recommendation. very much appreciated
I'm looking at a Glycine Airman GL0063 vs Seiko SARB033. The GL is going for $349. The SARB is going for $285. Any thoughts?
My pick would be the Aquascope, that can often be bought for around $600 at Ashford or the Ocean 500 Titanium (€500). Diver watches aren't my thing, though.
Presumably made before Invicta bought Glycine? Speaking of Invicta, not sure about the engraved branding on the Squale, a touch gratuitous perhaps?
Prefer the Glycine only miss the logo on the dail.
Thanks for the great video.
I was wondering if Squale should be pronounced without the e ? I am assuming this due to the fact that "Squale" is used in French to designate some sharks hence the logo on the watch.
I have 2 of the original combat subs BEFORE the invictia takeover...(horrible!!!) wish squale made some in 46mm, i'd buy one.
So, the squale is Iconic now??? Most overused words--iconic and robust. You tend to love everything. We need opinions and suggestions not a diplomat! You're too English, afraid to offend anyone.
Personally, I badly explain the price difference between the Glycine and a Steinhart Ocean One or a Squale 1545.
I just bought a "Glycine Combat Sub" 48mm all black w/ black nato strap. I love it so much so that I am getting a 2nd one. A Phanton in 42mm👍🏼
Oh wait!!!! I had to start over with the proper procedure... Like first, watch second!!!
Whewwwww! I'm glad the Squale won! LOL! However TGV let me ask you your opinion. I believe what does it for me is that the Squale's dial appears to be "set in" just a tad deeper? I understand you like how thin the Glycine is but for some reason the sense of "depth" on the Squale just does it for me & probably does lend to the fact that it's a bit thicker or taller of a watch. What do you think?
+1988remixx Well, you said it yourself, its all in the thickness. Funny, I love the depth of the Sqaule, and I love the thinness of the Glycine, I guess that why I have to have both! ;-)
Thank you, great point.
Best regards,
TGV
Over 1000 for a Glycine combat sub? I can get one for 300 any day of the week. It's a shame they got bought by Invicta.. 😕
That Glycine is just a tough watch and it has my vote. Thanks TGV. I see one in my near future and also a little more affordable now that they're under Invicta. 😃👍⌚
i just bought a brand new with papers for 250,GL0288 pvd all black. i love it to the bits. it feels and looks amaizing
I think now-adays the Glycine has a better value but not all the variants. I have the bronze version and for what I paid, it offers a lot of value. I'm starting to think it they are selling the watches at cost.
I am looking at the Bronze version of this watch and it is so beautiful off the wrist, but, I am not sure about how it will look on the wrist, especially after it oxidizes. Also, I doubt if it will be a strap monster.
Hey Gent, I'm new to your channel and while I'm not the biggest fan of wrist watches I would like to get in to pocket watches. Do you have any knowledge on them?
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