I just came to UA-cam after finishing an SR22 IFR from Juneau to Sitka. I know why it pulls left on takeoff but came here cause Austin never fails to entertain us.
My question as a SR20 Pilot is ‘why doesn’t the SR22 in X-Plane pull to the left as much as the real thing’? I can safely fly without touching the pedals and never see any departure of coordination. (Yes, I have automatic coordination disabled) I think P-Factor is a much bigger deal in the real aircraft.
As a non-pilot what's the definition of "departure of coordination"? You do require some right rudder to stay coordinated at low airspeed and high power, but it certainly isn't much. It's also very hard to tell if you're coordinated in the sim without looking at the turn coordinator so all you can really do is compare the instruments. Cool to see you here, though I'm sure those comments are irritating lol
Hello there, the designer of the default SR22 in X-Plane set a fixed deflection of the vertical stabilizer of 0.8 degrees to the right. If the real aircraft does not have this fixed deflection (but has a symmetric vertical stabilizer instead), then that could explain the lack of pull to the left of the X-Plane SR22. From a virtual flight test, in a max power climb at 80KIAS, I get the following values in X-Plane for the default SR22: slip angle with centered rudder: 0.4 degrees; rudder deflection required for coordinated flight: 6%; If I modify the aircraft in Plane-Maker (taking out the 0.8 degrees of the vertical stabilizer and making it symmetric), the left turning tendency increases: slip angle with centered rudder: 0.9 degrees; rudder deflection required for coordinated flight: 15%. Still too low probably, but a bit stronger than the default aircraft.
You better never come to Europe then. Our shopping trolleys have free-spinning casters front AND rear. The prop wash on those things is insane, and they don't even have props.
@@XPlaneOfficial You're missing out, man. Shopping trolleys are our fairground rides. No "you need to be this tall", you get your money back, and the only time you're made to wait in the queue is when you want to _leave._
Believe me I find it easier to takeoff in real life. Everything is just much more stable irl and that depends on the plane but of course if you screw up you die. Must be my peripherals!
Nah, every person I’ve ever talked to who is experienced in both simulators and real life say that real life flying is WAY easier. For me, I can say that about racing sims. I’m fine in real life, but I can’t do well in a racing sim/game to save my life.
Let's not forget about our two friends "torque" and "p-factor," who want to play in the same "sandbox" as slipstream. I love these vids. Funny, yet educational. The shopping cart cracked me up. It's obvious Austin should have waited until the other "aircraft" was clear of the "runway." 🤣
i recently became interested in aerodynamics of a plane (not a pilot, just sim user) found acronym PAST: *P*-factor *A* ccelerated slipstream *S* piraling slipstream *T* orque kinda useful to have in mind to understand why your plane is doing what it is doing
Before early access, they had a tweet about xp12 on the steam deck. Another way they could get more profit and support is playstation. Playstation has more fans than xbox so playstation players who wanted fs2020 will get xp12 instead. Plus, PSVR with xp12 would be even more profitable. LR has so many opportunities to monopolize so many markets.
@@BotanistOnDuna Exactly, first they should optimize it for Steam Deck since it’s straightforward then focus on PlayStation to give Microsoft’s flight simulator a run for the money!
@@Jadon.MacCormack I'm on linux and I've got to say it already runs great for fedora 36. At this point its just about letting steam deck users know that x-plane exists as an alternative to fs2020 for the deck.
Put it in X-Plane 12 for Lights to reflect in the Clouds like in Skymaxx and xEnviro. And also put Contrails on Vatsim and IVAO Online Network Aircraft.
@@ronanoke Didn't they say that in XP12 they are using a new source for weather data? The fact that the NOAA weather plugin works while XP11 without the plugin doesn't would indicate that it _is_ a data supply issue and not XP11 itself, especially with it only happening a couple days ago.
Hello. I have update 12.06b2 of xplane 12. The c172 and SR22 cannot turn left or right on taxi. Rudders works well inside and outside the plane. But front gears don't want to turn. They are crazy. And taxi is impossible. Do you noticed that? Is it a bug related to the last update? BE58 and B737 taxi well. The bug seems only on mono-engine aircrafts😢
There is actually a problem with not being able to calibrate for the dead zone of a Logitech yoke. It can not be explained away by what happens in real life with a plane. If the yoke is slightly off to one side, then this drifting problem will be even worse - making it almost impossible to fly and land. This is especially a problem on the Mac, where it is not possible to fix in any easy way through the settings. You actually have to do some hardware hacking, by implementing a joystick USB board, to get rid of this annoying problem. So do not try and tell people they just do not know about the physics of a plane. The problem is much worse on the computer than in real life. It would never happen in this way in a real plane.
The aircraft veers to the left. Well then, just make the motor turn the other way. But then it will be hitting the right side so it will veer to the right. And that solves the problem of it making it veer to the left. But now it veers to the right. Well then, just make the motor turn the other way.
@737Playz how will it destroy the game, it's an option for those who want to try virtual airline pilot, those with other interests can play with their usual purposes.
next time I ram my shopping cart into a person while shopping I just shout "I can't help it, this thing goes left, like a single engine aircraft" and start explaining wind and suction directions to the person. 👨🎓
you know that there's than optimization issue when the pretty powerful Mac Studio struggles a bit with few stutters here and there. Hope they fix it. But hey i'm glad I can run the simulator on my apple silicon device natively
I just came to UA-cam after finishing an SR22 IFR from Juneau to Sitka. I know why it pulls left on takeoff but came here cause Austin never fails to entertain us.
My question as a SR20 Pilot is ‘why doesn’t the SR22 in X-Plane pull to the left as much as the real thing’?
I can safely fly without touching the pedals and never see any departure of coordination. (Yes, I have automatic coordination disabled)
I think P-Factor is a much bigger deal in the real aircraft.
WOW!!! Scott Manley!!!! Sweet!!!!
As a non-pilot what's the definition of "departure of coordination"? You do require some right rudder to stay coordinated at low airspeed and high power, but it certainly isn't much. It's also very hard to tell if you're coordinated in the sim without looking at the turn coordinator so all you can really do is compare the instruments. Cool to see you here, though I'm sure those comments are irritating lol
I hate to be pedantic, but... SR20 =/= SR22?
Hello there, the designer of the default SR22 in X-Plane set a fixed deflection of the vertical stabilizer of 0.8 degrees to the right. If the real aircraft does not have this fixed deflection (but has a symmetric vertical stabilizer instead), then that could explain the lack of pull to the left of the X-Plane SR22.
From a virtual flight test, in a max power climb at 80KIAS, I get the following values in X-Plane for the default SR22:
slip angle with centered rudder: 0.4 degrees;
rudder deflection required for coordinated flight: 6%;
If I modify the aircraft in Plane-Maker (taking out the 0.8 degrees of the vertical stabilizer and making it symmetric), the left turning tendency increases:
slip angle with centered rudder: 0.9 degrees;
rudder deflection required for coordinated flight: 15%.
Still too low probably, but a bit stronger than the default aircraft.
Hey there, Scott! Are you using our default SR22 or a different model?
this guy is scarily passionate about his job, i love it.
You better never come to Europe then. Our shopping trolleys have free-spinning casters front AND rear. The prop wash on those things is insane, and they don't even have props.
That's never a problem for me because I can never remember to bring a Euro to unlock one in the first place!!
@@XPlaneOfficial You're missing out, man. Shopping trolleys are our fairground rides. No "you need to be this tall", you get your money back, and the only time you're made to wait in the queue is when you want to _leave._
Austin please do more videos like this it's actually entreating
I like Laminar Research because the environment and aircraft they create make me a pilot.
love austin and those amazing videos !
Thanks!! We love making them, too.
Next episode Austin is ironing his polo shirt in the beginning of the video!
#content #probnot
Believe me I find it easier to takeoff in real life. Everything is just much more stable irl and that depends on the plane but of course if you screw up you die.
Must be my peripherals!
Nah, every person I’ve ever talked to who is experienced in both simulators and real life say that real life flying is WAY easier.
For me, I can say that about racing sims. I’m fine in real life, but I can’t do well in a racing sim/game to save my life.
It's the peripheral laying on the seat that's helping a lot in real life.
We love you, Austin! ✈️✈️✈️✈️
Let's not forget about our two friends "torque" and "p-factor," who want to play in the same "sandbox" as slipstream.
I love these vids. Funny, yet educational. The shopping cart cracked me up. It's obvious Austin should have waited until the other "aircraft" was clear of the "runway." 🤣
i recently became interested in aerodynamics of a plane (not a pilot, just sim user) found acronym PAST:
*P*-factor
*A* ccelerated slipstream
*S* piraling slipstream
*T* orque
kinda useful to have in mind to understand why your plane is doing what it is doing
13 betas and 2xmsaa is still broken :( The water shimmering is horrendous too.
If X Plane 12 can develop this as the “Steam Deck flight simulator” then you will have a major advantage over Microsoft!
Before early access, they had a tweet about xp12 on the steam deck. Another way they could get more profit and support is playstation. Playstation has more fans than xbox so playstation players who wanted fs2020 will get xp12 instead. Plus, PSVR with xp12 would be even more profitable. LR has so many opportunities to monopolize so many markets.
@@BotanistOnDuna Exactly, first they should optimize it for Steam Deck since it’s straightforward then focus on PlayStation to give Microsoft’s flight simulator a run for the money!
@@Jadon.MacCormack I'm on linux and I've got to say it already runs great for fedora 36. At this point its just about letting steam deck users know that x-plane exists as an alternative to fs2020 for the deck.
Thanks for the video 👍
Put it in X-Plane 12 for Lights to reflect in the Clouds like in Skymaxx and xEnviro. And also put Contrails on Vatsim and IVAO Online Network Aircraft.
HAHA that intro
only ONE thomson was harmed in the making of this one!
@@XPlaneOfficial as an activist I am in favor of grounding all Austin Meyers for the well being of all Thomsons!
Any chance you can fix the live weather and metar in xp11, it's been down for 3 days
The weather data supplier has the issues, not X-Plane
@@EliteHobbies doubt that, it's working on xp12 and works using the NOAA weather plugin as well
@@ronanoke Didn't they say that in XP12 they are using a new source for weather data? The fact that the NOAA weather plugin works while XP11 without the plugin doesn't would indicate that it _is_ a data supply issue and not XP11 itself, especially with it only happening a couple days ago.
try now!
@@XPlaneOfficial Thank you guys so much!!
these videos are entertaining and they teach me pretty cool stuff :D
Hello. I have update 12.06b2 of xplane 12. The c172 and SR22 cannot turn left or right on taxi. Rudders works well inside and outside the plane. But front gears don't want to turn. They are crazy. And taxi is impossible. Do you noticed that? Is it a bug related to the last update? BE58 and B737 taxi well. The bug seems only on mono-engine aircrafts😢
Where's the rudder cam?
Austin you are the man!
pusher props would solve the problem?
There is actually a problem with not being able to calibrate for the dead zone of a Logitech yoke. It can not be explained away by what happens in real life with a plane. If the yoke is slightly off to one side, then this drifting problem will be even worse - making it almost impossible to fly and land. This is especially a problem on the Mac, where it is not possible to fix in any easy way through the settings. You actually have to do some hardware hacking, by implementing a joystick USB board, to get rid of this annoying problem. So do not try and tell people they just do not know about the physics of a plane. The problem is much worse on the computer than in real life. It would never happen in this way in a real plane.
How to prove there's no bug in X-Plane?
Yeah, show the same situation in real airplane!
Just wow! I really love x-plane
The aircraft veers to the left.
Well then, just make the motor turn the other way.
But then it will be hitting the right side so it will veer to the right.
And that solves the problem of it making it veer to the left.
But now it veers to the right.
Well then, just make the motor turn the other way.
What computer are you using there?
Mac Studio
Please implement or add career mode like airline pilot career and airline traffic movement to make it a complete package.
that would be horrible and destroy the purpose of it being a flight sim. xp12 is not a crappy mobile flight sim
@737Playz how will it destroy the game, it's an option for those who want to try virtual airline pilot, those with other interests can play with their usual purposes.
WX
Also, Gyroscopic pression, eh?!
Why there is no 747 in XP12 ?
Off topic much ?
next time I ram my shopping cart into a person while shopping I just shout "I can't help it, this thing goes left, like a single engine aircraft" and start explaining wind and suction directions to the person. 👨🎓
I have NO BETTER method for making friends!!
you know that there's than optimization issue when the pretty powerful Mac Studio struggles a bit with few stutters here and there. Hope they fix it. But hey i'm glad I can run the simulator on my apple silicon device natively
Looks like I went to the wrong spin class
Ever obviously, X-Plane has never depended on charisma to be successful!!!! (That's one way you can tell it's a good product..)
I'm not sure if austin is capable of having charisma lol
@@bird.9346 No. But he certainly possesses gifts I never will!
P factor, torque effect, spiraling slipstream
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