Though they use the same name, the british Daimler (who is owned by Jaguar) is an entirely different company to the german Daimler (who makes Mercedes-Benz and later teamed up with Chrysler). The connection is that the british company bought the rights to use the german company's name, but thats it.
I have the predecessor to this car (Series 2 XJ12), I have a V12 XJS, I've owned a Series 3 XJ6, and I've owned an X300 XJ12. These series 3 XJ12's are something special, I really hope I can find one eventually. The V12 Sedans stopped being sold in the US in 1982(?) due to emissions regulations, hence why this one was imported. The Daimler name was never used in the US due to licensing issues with Mercedes, Daimler cars were called Vanden Plas in the US, basically just a top trim level that got you some nicer leather and slightly different gauges. Also, this car has the old 5.3HE V12 and 3-Speed TH400, I'm guessing it was a leftover 92 model sold as a 93, or 93 was a changeover year to the XJ40/XJ81 XJ12 so some 93 Series 3 cars existed. Regarding the Trunk and old-school gauges and trip computer. The Series 3 is a late-70s car, technically it's a 60's car since it's a facelifted Series 2 which was a facelifted Series 1. The trunk has no sides because the fuel tanks sit on either side behind those panels. When Jaguar came out with the replacement for this generation XJ in the mid-80s (XJ40), they didn't bother developing a V12 version of the successor because they figured they'd never be able to sell it due to emissions laws and nobody would buy it even if they could due to fuel scarcity. Also early development of the car was still when they were owned by British Leyland and they intentionally made the engine bay too narrow to fit a V-Style engine to avoid being forced to use the corporate Rover V8. They were quickly proven wrong as people still wanted the V12, and competitors started popping up (BMW, Merc), so they kept selling this old Series 3 like you drove in non-US markets into the 90s since it was still popular among those who wanted a V12 and the classic stately image it presented that a lot of people didn't get with the XJ40. When the early 90s rolled around, Jag had Ford money and basically reworked the entire front half of the XJ40 structure, subframe, suspension, etc to accept a V12 and introduced it as the replacement for this car in 1993 under chassis code XJ81. This only lasted a year until the XJ40 was replaced by the X300 which got its own V12 version (X305) as the XJ12 or Daimler Double Six in Europe.
The British Daimler and the German Daimler-Benz are confusingly enough two completely separate companies/marks who have never been related, and the only relation between the names was due to Ford during its ownership of the parent company Jaguar agreeing with Daimler-Benz and thus DaimlerChrysler that they would not use the moniker on any cars. The current owner Tata Motors still own the rights to the brand and could easily launch a new series of Daimler Cars, but they seem uninterested in doing so.
No offence intended Zack but from a brit's point of view it is - Day-em-lerr and Jag-u-arr. Cheers pal and thanks for reviewing the best of British engineering.
Well… a feller called J.H. Lawson bought the rights to use the Daimler name on cars made in Britain, from Gottlieb Daimler and Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft in 1896. In 1910, Birmingham Small Arms, or BSA of motorcycle fame, bought the Daimler company. And they made Daimler cars for years (and truck and bus chassis). The Royal Family used to use Daimler cars. Meanwhile over in Germany in 1926, Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft and Benz & Cie, founded by Karl Benz, the father of the motor car, merged to form Daimler-Benz, who went on to build Mercedes cars. Daimler and Daimler-Benz are two separate companies but with a linked history. BSA sold Daimler to Jaguar Cars in 1960, and while Jaguar continued with the existing Daimler line up for a few years, after not very long, most Daimlers were simply re-badged and differently trimmed Jaguars fitted with a Daimler fluted radiator grille. With the exception of the Daimler DS420 limousine, which in effect was a re-body of the Jaguar Mk10. Widely used for weddings and funerals, along with the DS420 hearse. Look at footage of Princess Diana’s funeral. That’s a DS420 hearse. Jaguar made the Daimler V8250, which was a V8- engined Jag Mk2, the Daimler Sovereign, which was a 4.2 litre ‘Jaguar’ 420, and the first Double Six based on the XJ6 was made in 1972. What you tested was one of the last 1968-XJ6 model based Daimler Double Sixes because it took until 1993 for Jaguar to re-engineer the 1986 ‘XJ40’ shell to take the 5.3 litre V12 engine, so while the ‘new XJ6’ (aka XJ40) replaced the old straight six saloons in the mid 80s, Jaguar Cars kept producing the old style body until 1993 because they couldn’t fit the V12 engine in the new body. But, summing up, Daimler Cars and Daimler-Benz have shared origins (the name being used in Britain under license) and Jaguar Cars made British Daimlers from 1960 onwards, till they dropped the name badge.
German Daimler and British Daimler are not the same thing. The British company was founded in the 1890s and permanently bought the right to use the Daimler name from the German Daimler company - because their cars would use Daimler engines. They produced upmarket sedans with the last car of the company's own design being the Majestic Major 4.5-liter V8 sedan. Every single new car they introduced after being bought out by Jaguar in 1960 was a rebadged Jag - with the exception of the DS420 limousine, which was a unique stretched version of the jaguar 420G that was produced with minor updates into the 1990s. The ownership changes listed on their wikipedia page past 1966 reflect Jaguar's own ownership changes, as Daimler - exclusively using Jag platforms - was essentially a package deal with Jaguar.
Such classy looking cars. It feels like a stuffy English manor house in all the right ways. The V12 wasn't intended for power, it was for smoothness. Double Six is a very British and accurate way to describe a V12. It's a shame Jaguar isn't known for reliability because I'd love to have an old Jaaaag/Daimler. That is an interesting headlight switch. If I had to guess, off-parking-headlights-headlights & front fog lights-front fog lights with pull for rear fog. The cruise control is on the shifter bezel which is unusual. Daimler used to make larger limousines with a unique body, similar to Rolls-Royce. They were widely used by European diplomats and heads of state. Only one was sold in the US to Sam Walton (of Walmart)'s wife. Daimler also made an oddly-styled roadster in the late 50s/early 60s named the Dart/DS250 depending on the market. Imagine a Triumph TR3A crossed with a '57 Chevy. It was named the DS250 in the US because Dodge owned the Dart name.
I'm thinking this is more a 5.3 V12 with a TH400 3sp. If it were 4sp it would get the J-Gate shifter. AFAIK there was no 4L80e with a 5.3, or a 6.0 with a TH400 in the earlier body style which this is. Dunno maybe it was a short run for the US market. Possibly I'm wrong but the first 6.0 V12 (with GM 4L80e) was in the XJ81 (XJ40) shape for one (possibly 2) year only. The last was the X-300. So two models from 1993 to 1996. The 2x fuel tanks are in the trunk sides BTW. It has 2x fillers and the interior switch is to select which tank.
I'd like to have this. This is a pure Series III (pre-1988 US) styling, SO much better than post 87 Jags and the horrid XJ40. Of course that's not a factory cupholder - they did not exist. Daimlers up through the early 50's were often chosen by the British Royals. (British Daimler / German Daimler are not related; I'm sure someone else has explained already below)
Your history is a bit wrong I'm afraid. In 1896, the company bought the right to use the Daimler name from Gottlieb Daimler and Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft. Other than that, there is no connection whatsoever between Mercedes-Benz and UK Daimler, and there never was. Jaguar bought Daimler in 1960 and, as the older models were phased out, it became simply a high-end badge for Jaguar models by 1968. The Daimler badge was use on XJ6 models almost from the beginning and not from 1990 as you suggest. The marque was finally phased out in 2009 when production of the X308 XJ6 came to and end and it was decided not to have a Daimler version of its replacement.
Back in the 90s, my dad owned this car and it was an absolute powerhouse. I would've only been a kid at the time, but I remember the first time sitting on the leather seats and sliding around in it. Unfortunately it developed a gearbox problem and wouldn't go into reverse and we had to wait hours at a motorway service station to get a tow away. Not long after that, my dad became very ill, and so it was condemned to rust on the driveway. Shame, but what a car of my youth
It's 'Dame-ler', not 'Dime-ler'. And it's not 6 litres, it's 5.3. 310 hp it is certainly not going to put out. That's the later 1993-1997 V12. It's unusual to see a Daimler V12 in USA (must have come down from Canada). You call them 'Jaguar Vanden Plas V12'. Please do some research - there are so many more cars outside of the USA.
I've never heard so much uninformed drivel. Basically every fact was wrong. In the first twenty five seconds he calls it a Dimeler, says it has a 6.0 litre V12 when it is a 5.3, says it as a 4 speed auto when it has a 3 speed auto. Million more mistakes but his misunderstanding of the Mercedes link, and suggesting that Jaguar was in any way linked to Mercedes and its Chrysler merger is wrong. This "review" is utter drivel.
Lovely cars indeed. It is a 5.3 litre with 3 speed GM400. 1992 was the last year of production. The BHP varied considerably during production between about 260 - towards the end of production with full smog equipment and lowered compression ratio - to 299 without smog and 12.5:1 compression. It is pronounced 'Dameler' in England not 'Dimeler'
Dear American cousins, it’s “Daym- lerr “ and “ Jagg- u- arrr”. We would be grateful if you all could take the time to practice & LEARN TO PRONOUNCE THIS NAMES CORRECTLY 😊
They essentially used the old Daimler name for up market version, the old Daimler firm was bought out by jaguar in the early '60's, so could spec the 5.3 V12 and Daimler badge sometimes with Vlanden plas badge for extra leather etc, like Ford used ghia. Famously used the small 2.5 V8 in a number of mk 2 Jaaags.
They made these in the 1930s, because in the young James Bond book double or die a couple of brothers, who were murderers, followed James Bond around in one of these cars, his
This was embarrassing to watch. Firstly, you can't even pronounce the name 'Daimler' correctly. I can then only refer you to the previous comments for the inaccuracies for this review. For example, when reviewing the switchgear, you mention a fuel 'reserve' switch. There is no fuel reserve switch. The car has two 12 gallon fuel tanks, one located in each rear wing. The switch in question switches between the two tanks. The reviewer has little or no knowledge of the Jaguar/Daimler name & should stop uploading inaccurate dribble for public viewing.
1.It’s DAYmler, not DIEmler. 2. The V12 is 5.3 litre 3. The transmission is a 3-speed automatic with torque converter (GM Turbo Hydramatic) What a pathetic review with the most clueless of narrators. Only in America.
Dime-ler, the pronunciation was enough to dislike the video. Likewise, if you are going to review a DAME-ler, make sure you wash it beforehand. Presumptuously, I will assume a litany of other flaws in the video. But after the umpteenth mispronounced Daimler, I was done.
Though they use the same name, the british Daimler (who is owned by Jaguar) is an entirely different company to the german Daimler (who makes Mercedes-Benz and later teamed up with Chrysler). The connection is that the british company bought the rights to use the german company's name, but thats it.
That's what I thought, thank you! I thought I was more confused at the end of the video than I was at the beginning.
oooh, thank you!
Knew it
This is why they used the Mercedes name, instead of Daimler. Daimler in Germany was always the company, never the marque.
Easy way to see the difference between a Jag and Daimler is the fluting on the grill and rear trim. Interesting car.
Why abbreviate Jaguar but not Daimler when they have the same amount of letters
@@derkommissar4986 Because Jag is an easy abbreviation. It also works better as Americans can't pronounce it correctly. Ditto with Daimler. ;-)
My late mother was from England and pronounced Daimler “DAYM-ler” which is how most British pronounced it way back when.
I have the predecessor to this car (Series 2 XJ12), I have a V12 XJS, I've owned a Series 3 XJ6, and I've owned an X300 XJ12. These series 3 XJ12's are something special, I really hope I can find one eventually. The V12 Sedans stopped being sold in the US in 1982(?) due to emissions regulations, hence why this one was imported. The Daimler name was never used in the US due to licensing issues with Mercedes, Daimler cars were called Vanden Plas in the US, basically just a top trim level that got you some nicer leather and slightly different gauges.
Also, this car has the old 5.3HE V12 and 3-Speed TH400, I'm guessing it was a leftover 92 model sold as a 93, or 93 was a changeover year to the XJ40/XJ81 XJ12 so some 93 Series 3 cars existed.
Regarding the Trunk and old-school gauges and trip computer. The Series 3 is a late-70s car, technically it's a 60's car since it's a facelifted Series 2 which was a facelifted Series 1. The trunk has no sides because the fuel tanks sit on either side behind those panels.
When Jaguar came out with the replacement for this generation XJ in the mid-80s (XJ40), they didn't bother developing a V12 version of the successor because they figured they'd never be able to sell it due to emissions laws and nobody would buy it even if they could due to fuel scarcity. Also early development of the car was still when they were owned by British Leyland and they intentionally made the engine bay too narrow to fit a V-Style engine to avoid being forced to use the corporate Rover V8. They were quickly proven wrong as people still wanted the V12, and competitors started popping up (BMW, Merc), so they kept selling this old Series 3 like you drove in non-US markets into the 90s since it was still popular among those who wanted a V12 and the classic stately image it presented that a lot of people didn't get with the XJ40. When the early 90s rolled around, Jag had Ford money and basically reworked the entire front half of the XJ40 structure, subframe, suspension, etc to accept a V12 and introduced it as the replacement for this car in 1993 under chassis code XJ81. This only lasted a year until the XJ40 was replaced by the X300 which got its own V12 version (X305) as the XJ12 or Daimler Double Six in Europe.
ahhh! this clears things up thanks!
No buttons on steering wheel. 😂 Remember designed in early 80s
Yes Car wizard owns one lovely 6.0 V12
The British Daimler and the German Daimler-Benz are confusingly enough two completely separate companies/marks who have never been related, and the only relation between the names was due to Ford during its ownership of the parent company Jaguar agreeing with Daimler-Benz and thus DaimlerChrysler that they would not use the moniker on any cars. The current owner Tata Motors still own the rights to the brand and could easily launch a new series of Daimler Cars, but they seem uninterested in doing so.
Yes Mercedes has never had anything to do with this Daimler!
No offence intended Zack but from a brit's point of view it is - Day-em-lerr and Jag-u-arr. Cheers pal and thanks for reviewing the best of British engineering.
Well… a feller called J.H. Lawson bought the rights to use the Daimler name on cars made in Britain, from Gottlieb Daimler and Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft in 1896. In 1910, Birmingham Small Arms, or BSA of motorcycle fame, bought the Daimler company. And they made Daimler cars for years (and truck and bus chassis). The Royal Family used to use Daimler cars. Meanwhile over in Germany in 1926, Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft and Benz & Cie, founded by Karl Benz, the father of the motor car, merged to form Daimler-Benz, who went on to build Mercedes cars. Daimler and Daimler-Benz are two separate companies but with a linked history. BSA sold Daimler to Jaguar Cars in 1960, and while Jaguar continued with the existing Daimler line up for a few years, after not very long, most Daimlers were simply re-badged and differently trimmed Jaguars fitted with a Daimler fluted radiator grille. With the exception of the Daimler DS420 limousine, which in effect was a re-body of the Jaguar Mk10. Widely used for weddings and funerals, along with the DS420 hearse. Look at footage of Princess Diana’s funeral. That’s a DS420 hearse. Jaguar made the Daimler V8250, which was a V8- engined Jag Mk2, the Daimler Sovereign, which was a 4.2 litre ‘Jaguar’ 420, and the first Double Six based on the XJ6 was made in 1972. What you tested was one of the last 1968-XJ6 model based Daimler Double Sixes because it took until 1993 for Jaguar to re-engineer the 1986 ‘XJ40’ shell to take the 5.3 litre V12 engine, so while the ‘new XJ6’ (aka XJ40) replaced the old straight six saloons in the mid 80s, Jaguar Cars kept producing the old style body until 1993 because they couldn’t fit the V12 engine in the new body. But, summing up, Daimler Cars and Daimler-Benz have shared origins (the name being used in Britain under license) and Jaguar Cars made British Daimlers from 1960 onwards, till they dropped the name badge.
German Daimler and British Daimler are not the same thing.
The British company was founded in the 1890s and permanently bought the right to use the Daimler name from the German Daimler company - because their cars would use Daimler engines. They produced upmarket sedans with the last car of the company's own design being the Majestic Major 4.5-liter V8 sedan. Every single new car they introduced after being bought out by Jaguar in 1960 was a rebadged Jag - with the exception of the DS420 limousine, which was a unique stretched version of the jaguar 420G that was produced with minor updates into the 1990s.
The ownership changes listed on their wikipedia page past 1966 reflect Jaguar's own ownership changes, as Daimler - exclusively using Jag platforms - was essentially a package deal with Jaguar.
Such classy looking cars. It feels like a stuffy English manor house in all the right ways. The V12 wasn't intended for power, it was for smoothness. Double Six is a very British and accurate way to describe a V12. It's a shame Jaguar isn't known for reliability because I'd love to have an old Jaaaag/Daimler.
That is an interesting headlight switch. If I had to guess, off-parking-headlights-headlights & front fog lights-front fog lights with pull for rear fog. The cruise control is on the shifter bezel which is unusual.
Daimler used to make larger limousines with a unique body, similar to Rolls-Royce. They were widely used by European diplomats and heads of state. Only one was sold in the US to Sam Walton (of Walmart)'s wife. Daimler also made an oddly-styled roadster in the late 50s/early 60s named the Dart/DS250 depending on the market. Imagine a Triumph TR3A crossed with a '57 Chevy. It was named the DS250 in the US because Dodge owned the Dart name.
I'm thinking this is more a 5.3 V12 with a TH400 3sp. If it were 4sp it would get the J-Gate shifter. AFAIK there was no 4L80e with a 5.3, or a 6.0 with a TH400 in the earlier body style which this is. Dunno maybe it was a short run for the US market.
Possibly I'm wrong but the first 6.0 V12 (with GM 4L80e) was in the XJ81 (XJ40) shape for one (possibly 2) year only. The last was the X-300. So two models from 1993 to 1996.
The 2x fuel tanks are in the trunk sides BTW. It has 2x fillers and the interior switch is to select which tank.
Agreed. This car (the Series 3) never came with the 6.0 or a 4-speed auto. So this is a 5.3 and 3-speed.
This car is like something out of GTA. "Nice! Steal The Jag!" You get in and they call it... 'Daimler Double Six'
1:13 I thought the fan was on fire for a second 😂
I'd like to have this. This is a pure Series III (pre-1988 US) styling, SO much better than post 87 Jags and the horrid XJ40. Of course that's not a factory cupholder - they did not exist. Daimlers up through the early 50's were often chosen by the British Royals. (British Daimler / German Daimler are not related; I'm sure someone else has explained already below)
Your history is a bit wrong I'm afraid. In 1896, the company bought the right to use the Daimler name from Gottlieb Daimler and Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft. Other than that, there is no connection whatsoever between Mercedes-Benz and UK Daimler, and there never was. Jaguar bought Daimler in 1960 and, as the older models were phased out, it became simply a high-end badge for Jaguar models by 1968. The Daimler badge was use on XJ6 models almost from the beginning and not from 1990 as you suggest. The marque was finally phased out in 2009 when production of the X308 XJ6 came to and end and it was decided not to have a Daimler version of its replacement.
Back in the 90s, my dad owned this car and it was an absolute powerhouse. I would've only been a kid at the time, but I remember the first time sitting on the leather seats and sliding around in it. Unfortunately it developed a gearbox problem and wouldn't go into reverse and we had to wait hours at a motorway service station to get a tow away. Not long after that, my dad became very ill, and so it was condemned to rust on the driveway. Shame, but what a car of my youth
Would have been nice to see this driven beyond the storage unit gates
It's 'Dame-ler', not 'Dime-ler'. And it's not 6 litres, it's 5.3. 310 hp it is certainly not going to put out. That's the later 1993-1997 V12. It's unusual to see a Daimler V12 in USA (must have come down from Canada). You call them 'Jaguar Vanden Plas V12'. Please do some research - there are so many more cars outside of the USA.
I've never heard so much uninformed drivel. Basically every fact was wrong. In the first twenty five seconds he calls it a Dimeler, says it has a 6.0 litre V12 when it is a 5.3, says it as a 4 speed auto when it has a 3 speed auto. Million more mistakes but his misunderstanding of the Mercedes link, and suggesting that Jaguar was in any way linked to Mercedes and its Chrysler merger is wrong. This "review" is utter drivel.
5.3 Ltr and 3 speed auto.the 6 ltr didn't come till the 90s.also in the 70s they were one of the fastest saloons on the planet
Lovely cars indeed. It is a 5.3 litre with 3 speed GM400. 1992 was the last year of production. The BHP varied considerably during production between about 260 - towards the end of production with full smog equipment and lowered compression ratio - to 299 without smog and 12.5:1 compression.
It is pronounced 'Dameler' in England not 'Dimeler'
The British firm is pronounced Day-mler.
whhat the hell?😮
2:22 i would be perfectly pleased with 4 speeds any more than that and they can get confused and huntaround.
3 speed auto. Should be a GM Hydramatic TH400
Dear American cousins, it’s “Daym- lerr “ and “ Jagg- u- arrr”. We would be grateful if you all could take the time to practice & LEARN TO PRONOUNCE THIS NAMES CORRECTLY 😊
Was based on a 1960s design! Fuel tanks in side of trunk
I had no idea about Daimler and Jaguar. Always learning!
"If this car could talk...!!" Nobody would understand what it said. Engrish with harsh Japanese accent and British ego and pomp.
Hold up, don’t think I didn’t spot that Subaru Domingo back there @ 0:13
Coming soon!
@@ShootingCars I can’t wait 😬😬😬
Best UA-cam car reviewer out there! Keep up the good work! 😁
😍 This is a gorgeous vehicle! 😍
What a unique looking intake system
I've never heard of this car before. I thought it was a Jaguar
They essentially used the old Daimler name for up market version, the old Daimler firm was bought out by jaguar in the early '60's, so could spec the 5.3 V12 and Daimler badge sometimes with Vlanden plas badge for extra leather etc, like Ford used ghia. Famously used the small 2.5 V8 in a number of mk 2 Jaaags.
A V12 might make you feel like a top dog but I think modern 4 cylinder Jaguars are a bigger achievement.
Zak that's a 1991 model not a 1993 they changed the shape in 1992
Looking at it from the outside I would think that car is much older than it is. The only thing that makes it look newer than the 60s is the bumpers.
Basically what jaguar did until 2010. Keep the classic lines and give it a tweak here and there. Like Porsche
When I first saw the thumbnail and the name of the car I thought this was a JayEmm or Number 27 video
I always wondered what those looked like. I've herd of them, but I've never seen one.
I know of 3 daimler cars in the US. All pre 1970s. One is in a junkyard.
This car was pretty outdated even by 1993. The design looks like it came out of the 1970s.
The design came out of the 60's
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They made these in the 1930s, because in the young James Bond book double or die a couple of brothers, who were murderers, followed James Bond around in one of these cars, his
Very cool!
That's what I thought at first, looked like a Jaguar
GOOD PRESENTATION. GOD BLESS YOU SIR. CAN I STILL GET THIS TYPE OF CAR THESE DAYS ? PLEASE, I NEED A RESPONSE SIR.
Do you not talk about how any of your cars drive?
You better do a video of the gm front wheel drive RV
Dual fuel fillers, too!
This was embarrassing to watch. Firstly, you can't even pronounce the name 'Daimler' correctly. I can then only refer you to the previous comments for the inaccuracies for this review. For example, when reviewing the switchgear, you mention a fuel 'reserve' switch. There is no fuel reserve switch. The car has two 12 gallon fuel tanks, one located in each rear wing. The switch in question switches between the two tanks. The reviewer has little or no knowledge of the Jaguar/Daimler name & should stop uploading inaccurate dribble for public viewing.
🔥🔥🔥🔥…..I want one!😅
GM compressor, back when they were the best.
1.It’s DAYmler, not DIEmler.
2. The V12 is 5.3 litre
3. The transmission is a 3-speed automatic with torque converter (GM Turbo Hydramatic)
What a pathetic review with the most clueless of narrators. Only in America.
nice car.
U miss the whole point. It’s a timeless look and a v12. That in itself is enough.
3-speed auto
Isn’t Daimler a Chrysler product
Why can he not say the name correctly.
Dime-ler, the pronunciation was enough to dislike the video. Likewise, if you are going to review a DAME-ler, make sure you wash it beforehand.
Presumptuously, I will assume a litany of other flaws in the video. But after the umpteenth mispronounced Daimler, I was done.
Then it became DaimlerChrysler when Mercedes bought Chrysler. Then in 2007, Mercedes divorced Chrysler
Completely different company
I know what it is. It’s junk
🤣🤣🤣
Oh no, this slushbox completely ruins the performance. Disgusting PoS.
It's not built for performance dipshyt lol
@@wigletron2846 are you sure? This generation Jag/Daimler certainly isn't "your father's Oldsmobile/Buick/Cadillac" lol.