This is bloody insane. The statutory rate should be enforced for every play of every song. Period. Someone uses it in a video on ANY platform? The rate will be the greater of 9.1¢ per song or 1.75¢ per minute of playing time (or fraction thereof). Streaming services? Same rate. Non-commercial stations (like college radio) will retain their current status, which is a blanket license. Streaming services and UA-cam have gotten away with this crap for years. I understand that it's a different paradigm, in that everyone using streaming platforms can be a "DJ" and it involves paying out more than, say, a terrestrial radio station would since that station only plays "xx" number of songs per day. But no terrestrial station has the reach and audience of streaming services and UA-cam, so we're talking about a whole different level. UA-cam is the second largest search engine in the world! There's no reason why they shouldn't pay the legal rate. If an artist wishes to give up their statutory rate, that should be their right and it should involve a simple form where they can state their preference. If it can be shown that, by not giving up their right, artists are being shut out of streaming, then extremely heavy fines should be instituted - even ones that bankrupt the streaming services. Hey, we lived without them for a long time. I'm sure there's plenty of startups out there who would be happy to make millions of dollars and follow the rules. In fact, I know there are. I get solicitations from them every day. PROs can continue to act as collectors, but dammit - this is 2024. There is no excuse for the shoddy, haphazard methods they use to determine plays. If they can calculate Pi with a precision of 62,831,853,071,796 digits, they can darn well figure out how many times my song has been played.
This was a phenomenal podcast that every indie music person should view. It tackles a lot of the topics that create turmoil in our hearts and heads, but enlightens everyone as to how difficult and complex the music business can be. Great job Ari! Also loved the transparency and demeanor of Jamie Dee Hart. Valuable stuff!
Thank you, Ari, for yet another thought-provoking and informative interview! As someone else wrote in their comment, you help to illuminate "how difficult and complex the music business can be." Thank you, too, to Jamie for sharing some of her expertise and enthusiasm. I would love for you to do a video (or maybe there are some in your archives?) about UA-cam which could re-explain what you and Jamie discussed in this interview and also go back over the basics of how one claims one's official artist channel, all the different monetizations that can happen to one's music, how/who collects that money, etc. (some of which you and Jamie discussed in this interview but also left my head spinning - yet again - due to how complicated a lot of our business responsibilities can be as indie artists.
I like cd baby the most. I don't mind paying $10 per release instead of a yearly $20 unlimited like distrokid because I think that distrokid is the reason there is so much music uploaded to Spotify that probably should not have been released . I think the "unlimited " releases make people release stuff that they would not release if they had to pay $10 or $15 per individual single album because they would probably thrn only release their best material
Amazing and informative… Hey Ari, can you do a video on indie artists doing a cover with a music video. Assuming they released that cover through distributor. Your videos are terrific. 🤘🏼
This chick knows her stuff, likenshe really knows her stuff, i rearly hear anyone mention ad rev and why 2 even use them compared 2 say tune core, great stuff ari
Hi. There. Amazing video and content. Thank you. I have a question regarding UMPG vs Tiktok. Now that the publisher and administrators have also been included in the lawsuit. What about the videos uploaded by these artists performing a live version of their songs, Will they also mute their videos? e.g. Sheryl Crow.
Absolutely fantastic content! I've been a member of both DistroKid and ASCAP for a few years now and haven't gained much traction with my music. This information certainly helps to have a better understanding. Thanks to you both!
Very good stuff Ari. Such a nerd for all this. Identifyy is the other Content ID collector I use (especially as Jamie said for songs downloaded and used on YT from libraries. Identifyy acts as like a PRO for non-exclusive library or ad music but also to just protect your songs you release to distributors. And like Jamie said, they FOCUS on CID collection where the distributors just do it as an add-on and I would never trust them to collect it well. Over $1000 in the past year of so with Identifyy.
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This is bloody insane. The statutory rate should be enforced for every play of every song.
Period.
Someone uses it in a video on ANY platform? The rate will be the greater of 9.1¢ per song or 1.75¢ per minute of playing time (or fraction thereof). Streaming services? Same rate. Non-commercial stations (like college radio) will retain their current status, which is a blanket license. Streaming services and UA-cam have gotten away with this crap for years.
I understand that it's a different paradigm, in that everyone using streaming platforms can be a "DJ" and it involves paying out more than, say, a terrestrial radio station would since that station only plays "xx" number of songs per day. But no terrestrial station has the reach and audience of streaming services and UA-cam, so we're talking about a whole different level. UA-cam is the second largest search engine in the world!
There's no reason why they shouldn't pay the legal rate. If an artist wishes to give up their statutory rate, that should be their right and it should involve a simple form where they can state their preference. If it can be shown that, by not giving up their right, artists are being shut out of streaming, then extremely heavy fines should be instituted - even ones that bankrupt the streaming services.
Hey, we lived without them for a long time. I'm sure there's plenty of startups out there who would be happy to make millions of dollars and follow the rules. In fact, I know there are. I get solicitations from them every day.
PROs can continue to act as collectors, but dammit - this is 2024. There is no excuse for the shoddy, haphazard methods they use to determine plays.
If they can calculate Pi with a precision of 62,831,853,071,796 digits, they can darn well figure out how many times my song has been played.
This was a phenomenal podcast that every indie music person should view. It tackles a lot of the topics that create turmoil in our hearts and heads, but enlightens everyone as to how difficult and complex the music business can be. Great job Ari! Also loved the transparency and demeanor of Jamie Dee Hart. Valuable stuff!
Thanks as always, Ari!
This was the best podcast! Thank you both for a great tell-it-as-it-is video!
keep doing these ari. eventually the light will shine on what you're doing.
Thank you, Ari, for yet another thought-provoking and informative interview! As someone else wrote in their comment, you help to illuminate "how difficult and complex the music business can be." Thank you, too, to Jamie for sharing some of her expertise and enthusiasm. I would love for you to do a video (or maybe there are some in your archives?) about UA-cam which could re-explain what you and Jamie discussed in this interview and also go back over the basics of how one claims one's official artist channel, all the different monetizations that can happen to one's music, how/who collects that money, etc. (some of which you and Jamie discussed in this interview but also left my head spinning - yet again - due to how complicated a lot of our business responsibilities can be as indie artists.
Insanely enlightening. Thank you, Ari and Jamie.
I like cd baby the most. I don't mind paying $10 per release instead of a yearly $20 unlimited like distrokid because I think that distrokid is the reason there is so much music uploaded to Spotify that probably should not have been released . I think the "unlimited " releases make people release stuff that they would not release if they had to pay $10 or $15 per individual single album because they would probably thrn only release their best material
Good points 🙌🏽
Amazing and informative… Hey Ari, can you do a video on indie artists doing a cover with a music video. Assuming they released that cover through distributor. Your videos are terrific. 🤘🏼
This is very good content, again, thanks, Ari
This chick knows her stuff, likenshe really knows her stuff, i rearly hear anyone mention ad rev and why 2 even use them compared 2 say tune core, great stuff ari
Hi. There. Amazing video and content. Thank you. I have a question regarding UMPG vs Tiktok. Now that the publisher and administrators have also been included in the lawsuit. What about the videos uploaded by these artists performing a live version of their songs, Will they also mute their videos? e.g. Sheryl Crow.
25:10 is H.A.A.W.K. for third party also good?
Loved it!!!
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Absolutely fantastic content! I've been a member of both DistroKid and ASCAP for a few years now and haven't gained much traction with my music. This information certainly helps to have a better understanding. Thanks to you both!
This was such an informative discussion! Thanks Jamie and Ari!
100000% agree with your rant! That's just the way it is
Very good stuff Ari. Such a nerd for all this. Identifyy is the other Content ID collector I use (especially as Jamie said for songs downloaded and used on YT from libraries. Identifyy acts as like a PRO for non-exclusive library or ad music but also to just protect your songs you release to distributors. And like Jamie said, they FOCUS on CID collection where the distributors just do it as an add-on and I would never trust them to collect it well. Over $1000 in the past year of so with Identifyy.
Another amazing episode! Great stuff and I can't wait to see more.
So if I'm a content creator on UA-cam I should use my own published music in the background and I'll get paid 2x
That TikTok sauce is a gem fasho fasho. TikTok is paying for the shares per video of your music instead streams per video!!