personally, I think the more the merrier, and it should instead come down to map design... Don't have too many vehicle types occupying the same niche in the same map. Have some maps use warthogs, others, regular or gun mongooses, but rarely if ever on the same map. Maybe add some rarity to it, like way more common mongooses over specialized gun gooses. I think the mongooses would be better relagated to smaller maps where a warthog would struggle because it's too cramped, but it's not too small for ghosts and gooses. And then balance the gun goose to be slightly less effective than the ghost. There should be a penalty for the ability to carry a passenger.
honestly, I actuly think the grenande launchers from H5s version should be kept. if ya gat a direct hit its a 1-2 shot kill, abd brust damage like that really helps when you cant turn on a dime like with the ghost, sense ya only have to be lined up for a split second.
I have a few ideas to keep the ghost, mongoose, and warthog viable. Make the gungoose a power-vehicle, so there’s only one gungoose per team. It would be like the tank, when it blows up it takes a minute to spawn in. Change up the mongoose. Make the mongoose faster than the gungoose and add a jump ability to it, because honestly the mongoose is a terrible vehicle and needs something to help it stand out more. The ghost is fine where it is. If it really needs a buff, then add an increase to turning speed. The warthog is a classic, I a small buff to it would be flag holders can use their main weapons in it, unlike other vehicles. Making it more viable for flag runs but not killing the mongoose or gungoose.
When I hop on the gungoose in H2A, my thought is, "Why am I even driving this?" but when I get on the passenger seat of the gungoose in Halo 5, all I say is, "Is this what being God feels like?"
Considering the fact I once used a Gungoose in Halo 5 Warzone, and chased an enemy player around at least a third of the map while firing grenades at him, before cornering him and getting a kill. My sanity is questionable.
The mongoose fills the role in 3 of just being something quick to get to the action without having to take a warthog from your team all for yourself. The mongoose definitely has an important niche in the sandbox in my opinion. I've never viewed the geese as some kind of offensive power house nor should it be.
The gungoose was fixed: it's called the mongoose. The mongoose has a sandbox niche by being accessible. There is always a mongoose at both bases in Valhalla because the need for mongooses is limited and also because the mongoose should have a faster respawn timer than the other vehicles. Because the need for mongooses, that means when they are needed, they are available. The mongoose was added to address the problem of map flow and getting players to the action. Think of it as a map design crutch almost to allow bases to be further away from each other. This is why it works so well for custom games. If you want to improve the mongoose, do the following -Make it faster at the cost of maneuverability -Make it so the driver can shoot one handed weapons -Make it so when you leave the mongoose it's as fast as possible, maybe even instant -improve driver protection -rear seat infinite grenades and ammo to incentivize passengers Then, not only does the mongoose fill its niche, it excels at it.
I think you're listing out the benefits of the Mongoose in the perfect world. Im not saying it's useless, but it's most def the weakest (from a utility standpoint) of all the vehicles in any game it appears in. As of now, all the Mgoose does is ironically, remove players from the actual action, by stripping their ability to fight away, all while dumping them into conflicts with a disadvantage, which just makes you an easy drop. Even if you get away, it's hardly to any major benefit. You just end up in an area where you're outnumbered and the avg player ain't gonna be able to flip spawns or do any REAL work. I'm hard pressed to recognize the Mgoose as a promotor of better "map flow". If anything, it's an awkward tag along. The raw, on-foot flow still dominates anything the Mgoose attempts, cause the Mgoose has no fight function. You either get ignored by an initial enemy or picked off.
@@AscendHyperion The benefit they listed was it's availability due to the larger quantity of mongeese and their quick respawn time. Having at least one mongoose ready at the base isn't a perfect world scenario, it's almost guaranteed at all times and that's an advantage. If you just need to get somewhere quicker, the mongoose is the lowest risk option, because taking the warthog or ghost will risk it getting destroyed and they take some time to respawn. I will say though the mongoose loses that niche in halo 4 and 5, sprint and enhanced mobility just makes it obsolete
Ascend Hyperion I don’t know man, I’ve head some great times on Valhalla with the Mongoose. Nothing like taking it full speed off a grav lift right into an enemy Banshee. Not the most viable option, but a hell of a FUN way to play.
@@brawlmaster942 You forgot the obvious utility of a quick small vehicle able to make flag runs and stuff. It's small and nimble, and if you have a guy with a rocket launcher or something it turns into an effective hit-and-run vehicle too. In Halo 3 and Reach, the weapons players spawn with didn't have the same lethality as Halo 2A and 5, so while the passengers were exposed, a good driver could easily dodge most incoming fire.
To pop my head in this fairly old video: The regular Mongoose is the definition of a small map arena vehicle, something that thrives on maps like High Ground, where the warthog would simply be too big, and the ghost can't carry a passenger with the flag, oddball, etc. Not to mention the mongoose is used rather creatively in the campaign, for faster paced combat sections in smaller spaces!
What if instead of guns, they just made the mongoose really fast, that way the exposed hit box issue be so bad as you are a small target that is moving fast. Making the mongoose only for transfer could be its roll in the sandbox
Or add some sort of ability with a cool down where it boosts toward with some sort of battering ram or plow, and knocks over vehicles and splatters players in front of it.
why would you disrespect spectres like that, my friends and i liked the spectre more because you can mount double the rocket-launcher equipped guys onto the passenger seat
I got my first killionaire with an oni gun goose on halo 5 lmaooooo. They are honestly overlooked. As soon as I would get level 3 reqs on Warzone I would spam them and hit level 6 reqs then just req op crap.
I think even an up-armored gungoose in H2A would work since the ghost has the boost mechanic and that the guns are still slower and less maneuverable than the ghost . Sadly H5's gungoose has honestly shored up to just being a base bomber where, someone sits on the back and throws infinite nades with grenadier to hold an armory.
What you could do in Halo 5 is (with that block on the front) add a point light with the lense flare effect set to ‘Sun’ so it blinds anyone that looks at you while you gun them down. I did this with a warthog. It’s hilarious.
Something I'd love to see would be a nimble, fast, single seater, fragile stealth electric dirt bike, something you'd hop on to go to a specific location, hop off, destroy to force respawn, probably with a few melee hits or a singular frag nade, and then do your thing, the vehicle you grab when you see that your own flag's already at mid and someone already took the ghost, you get there, hop off, unload BR.
Put a triple burst grenade launcher on the back that had to be reloaded every burst, make it quieter. It’s now a hit-and-run vehicle. It now has a place in the sandbox.
In halo 5 warzone, if our core gets opened, i bring an ONI gungoose into the core room for deffense... tossing infinite frag grenades at a door is decent area denial.
I personally believe the Gungoose cannot work because of it's departure from Halo's fundamental combat mechanics. Halo's combat is designed to be more drawn out. A dance. This allows players to actively use their surroundings and movement to their advantage. Strafing and pivoting are key to combat. That is why the Ghost works as a single occupant vehicle. It mimics Halo's core combat design. It can strafe and pivot. That's why the Warthog gunner works. They can pivot while the drive acts as their "strafe." The Gungoose cannot strafe or pivot. It can only attack and move in one direction: forward. As you showed, that means players have a small window to attack. This goes against Halo's drawn out combat dance. In Halo 5, it appears the idea was to avoid the dance by making the Gungoose launch two powerful grenades in a "hit and run" design style. However, this then begins to break the balance of vehicles. Quick kill times are generally reserved for the slower vehicles, which goes against the inherent design of the Mongoose. Either way you cut it, it just doesn't look like the Gungoose can fit into a proper niche within the sandbox.
Boom, this right here. I like the idea of a Gungoose as a more laidback fun gamemode type vehicle instead of an actual vehicle to be used in competitive play.
The mongoose is a scout/reconnaissance vehicle, it's sole purpose meant to get you and a passenger where ever you need to go quickly. It's not meant to be an offensive powerhouse, it's a rapid response quad bike designed for fast transport.
The Mongoose and Gungoose are there to help you reach points of interest easier, the fact that they can be used for combat is just a sidenote not a main feature. A really good example is Ghost Town in Halo 3, it allows you to reach the Rocket Launcher first
Even if the warthog and gungoose seem to compete uneasily with each other when present in the same map, it can still be interesting to have both vehicles in the game. The trick is to put them on different maps, or allow vehicles to be replaced with custom map settings. Having some maps or game modes where the players are *forced* to drive the vehicle that would usually be less-preferred makes them stand out and gives them a different feel.
Redesign: the shotgoose. Like the gungoose, but it has shotguns on the front that shoot in a flat, duckbill pattern. I think this would create a fun hit and run vehicle that doesn’t exist.
It's like 343 saw this video and set out to remedy it, because the gun goose in infinite is actually good. This is because instead of a mounted machine gun, it instead fires two rocket blasts. If you have good aim and are familiar with operating the goose itself, you can actually successful dole out a nice killing spree. I actually have majorly more success in the gun goose than I do with any other vehicle other than tanks, and even that comparison isn't a too far off vehicle in terms of getting kills, because the gun goose is much more maneuverable, which makes dodging something like a skewer much easier than with a tank, and thus survive longer. I myself have a record of 11 kills in a single ride on the goose, NOT a cumulative kill count split between numerous times on it.
The grenade launchers on the h5 goose I think was already perfect. Specialized it to either a feild artillery peice, and a hit and run attacks. Doesn't invalidate the ghost because the ghost can consistently sit and fight and has better maneuverability.
There is much that can be done to the Mongoose. Like a mine-laying Mongoose variant, or one that can launch smoke / frag grenades from front & rear launchers. Maybe even the ability to latch onto a small utility trailer that can mount up to four more Marines on it. Or tow a portable gun torrent or a mounted anti-air/tank gun. Maybe one with a EMP device that can be used to disactivat all vehicles within say a 15 Mi radius. Rendering enemy Tanks, Warthogs, Banshees, and such useless for a minute (Including the Mongoose). There are so many awesome things that can be done to the Mongoose, other than mounting guns to the front.
What if the gungoose was treated as more of a glass cannon? Like it could have stronger guns and more rotation, but keep the same vulnerability of it, possibly even reduce its durability. These changes would separate it from the warthog and ghost due to how vulnerable it would be, but it could counter something like the scorpion with its high mobility and damage. Another idea is to add some tracking to the bullets of the gungoose so it could be more for a "bombing run" strat. Also, there are probably some problems with these changes that I haven't thought of.
This might work: increase the fire rate, projectile hitbox, and range radius to compete with the hog, however have it lack armor or singler projectile damage like the hog. Also give it some protection like the ghost. Add a cooldown of 0.03-0.5 seconds and overheats after 12 seconds of constant fire, however lacks large protection like the ghost. The kill time should be 1.45 seconds without a passenger, just about a 0.05 faster then the ghosts kill time. Finally, only one of these kind spawns for both teams while you still have the options for a normal goose and its respawn time is 30 seconds. Call this Rec variant in 5: Wild Goose Chace.
I’ve always thought it would be great if the Mongoose gave its driver and passenger a boost to their shields. Like, there’s a battery on the Mongoose that overclocks your personal shields, making it much harder to kill someone while they’re on it. (Maybe it functions like overshields) but if someone hops off, they lose those additional shields, and a skilled enough sniper could blast the battery (after it’s been exposed from vehicle damage) to blow it up, or just shut off the additional shields. On top of that, as long as your additional shields hold up, the battery protects the mongoose from being EMP’d. This “Shieldgoose” if you will, can then act as a fast and viable transport across the battlefield, while not making the Warthog any less viable. (This thing could be a MONSTER in Capture the Flag.)
Solution: Take a look at Planetside 2's Flash and go from there :D I think it should be more lethal than the ghost since it is less maneuverable, can't strafe, can't boost, and worse cover
Best goose gameplay is driving around with an expert rocket launcher player as the passenger. I have never seen more destruction in my life than when i saw one of those driving around.
i actually love the gungoose in h5 and its oni variant makes it my faviroute ground vehicle for usability and the sheer amount of kills i seem to get whenever i hop on it.
One thing I found odd about introducing the Mongoos and the Gungoos into the Halo sandbox was having that additional seat. Sure it mean there was an additional gun but it was just meant that you needed an additional player to get more effectiveness out of it. Like in Halo 3 when your trying to take down the two scarabs without any air support. If you are driving a Mongoos it takes longer, if you leave the driving up to the AI then it's simply going to circle around randomly and might drive you over a cliff. The Gungoose would have been an interesting introduction at that point simply because the AI drivers could deal with the ghosts while you take cover in the ruins and work your way towards the crippled scarab. It would have been interesting to be able to take over one Scarab and take out the other then sabotage the one you pilot on your way out.
The Mongoose's biggest problem is not actually the lack of guns, but the inability to splatter anyone despite being so fast. So, I would like to give the Gungoose a souped-up shotgun instead of those dinky little machine guns. Then it could use the shotgun to be able to pseudo-splatter enemies as well as giving it a little ranged damage. Maybe it could be a flak cannon or something like the Scattershot so it has a random but longer projectile range.
How I would handle a 'gungoose' is something like a slingshot motorcycle (a motorcycle with two wheels at the front, shaping it like a slingshot). You'd have the driver in the center protected by glass from the front and steel in the back, with a turret mounted above the rear wheel. This turret would be weaker than a Warthog's turret, but stronger than small arms fire, approximately matching the Ghost in utility. This new vehicle, looking somewhat like a coiled snake about to bite, would be designated "The Rattlesnake" (aka, the Rattler) by the UNSC's Marine Corps. Its main purpose is recon and supporting infantry on the ground against lightly armored air and ground targets. Its turret can be aimed in 360° independent of where the vehicle is aiming, allowing it to fire anywhere the user can see. This gives it some great utility over the Ghost, so there has to be a downside: for a lightly armored vehicle, the Rattlesnake has a fairly large profile, almost matching the size of a Warthog and only a little bit faster. This means that it is one of the easiest light vehicles to hit with something like a plasma grenade or rocket launcher, making it a bit more vulnerable than a standard Mongoose or Ghost. It would also be slower than the Ghost, so while it can outgun the Ghost against air targets, it cannot outrun the Ghost. The actual weapon the Rattlesnake carries can be anything from an MG to a smaller Guass Cannon to a Railgun, depending on what the UNSC is expecting to face in the next fight
To be fair, the Mongoose's key is the passenger.. Armed with strategy, speed, a 360 degree field of aim, and a Rocket Launcher or a nice plasma, that's one less enemy Warthog and its crew as they're getting in.
And here I go with my concept : The EMPgoose. The pilot has a rechargeable ability to throw an EMP blast around him (same effect as H2A Bloodline bases EMP effect). It doesn't put the goose as more agressive, but serves a better support role. It's not much of an improvement, but it Can definitely help a team. Imagine a suicidal goose against a scorpion/wraith, juste rushing to disable it for a short period, maybe enough time for a Spartan laser (backseat ?) to kill it. Imagine a tag team rushing for the flag, you can just EMP the hogs/ghosts on the ennemy sife before leaving, making you the fastest moving stuff for a short time, enough to avoid getting shot at while fleeing ! I'm sure the goose Can get support functions that can definitely make it better
This video is excellent, basically sums up everything you need to know about the Gungoose. Personally I think the Halo 5 Gungoose is decent, I have managed to get kills with the grenades before and if one pops up in the random vehicle spawn I'm often confident I can get at least one kill and use it to get to a base before I dump it. If I could make my own changes to the Gungoose I'd probably go for something similar to what the Halo SPV3 mod did with it, in that it has two mounted Assault Rifles as the primary weapon and slow-reloading grenade launchers as the secondary, and possibly include the infinite grenades for the passenger from Halo 5's ONI Goose.
I feel like a sensible solution would to be to allow the driver to fire certain weapons one-handed, like pistols, the plasma rifle, the SMG. It could allow for the driver to still protect himself, and open up combos with the passenger, I.e. driver with plasma pistol to EMP a vehicle, passenger hits it with an explosive weapon.
People who scoff at the sight of a mongoose simply don't play objective games. It doesn't need a gun, and it doesn't need unlimited grenades, it's just a transportation vehicle to get your carrier out of enemy territory. I personally wish they'd add more support vehicles rather than focusing on single player kill streak assault vehicles.
I've seen other comments offering how to go about uping the Mongoose/Gungoose's utility, one way would be to have a mongoose with more armor as proposed in the video, as then the mongoose has a much different utility than the warthog, it becomes the objective snatcher. Having two people ride in, the person on the back can still use a weapon, and once they reach the objective, trade that ability for being able to get away with the flag, as usual. I think this works as a solution because it still lets the warthog have the role of a mobile turret, and gives the mongoose a reason to be used. That being said, it may need more armor or some sort of shield you turn on or off, perhaps a version of armor lock for the mongoose, as a way to skillfully deflect rockets or other vehicle killers. That being said it would have to be like armor lock in that it only lasts a few seconds and locks the driving controls, whether to allow it to keep moving with whatever momentum was built up or causing a hard stop is a difficult decision, as each adds skill/utility to it. Have a warthog chasing you? Activate armor lock so it ramps off you or crashes. About to make it to the base but something starts gunning you down? Activate armor lock and skillfully crash it into the base where it can be safely delivered.
I think in Halo Infinite they should add a feature to custom games where you could like mix and match pieces from different vehicles together to make some really wacky shit. Like i don’t know a banshee with a scorpion turret on top. Better yet they should do this for guns as well.
Best gun goose I've come across is the one from the SPV three mod which combines the Halo 2 anniversary and Halo 5 versions and makes it pretty damn good
Imo adding some sort of unique ability would make the gungoose/mongoose more attractive. For example, adding a short range shield burst (maybe a little OP) , or making the weapon more fitting (dual shotguns for CQC combat on the goose) would give it a more defined role, rather then it being the “Point A to point B” type of vehicle.
I'm gonna blow your mind: Mongoose is Sprint for Halo 3. . . . That's right, Mongoose is the "get across the map quick" option in Halo 3, and even zips across a map faster than sprint in Reach, 4, and 5. They should have doubled down on that aspect of they wanted it to be more viable. So how would I make it more viable? Allow the Mongoose to be mounted faster, and give you two ways to dismount. By pressing X like normal, or A to perform a super jump high speed dismount that launches you forward and into the air. Akin to a gravity lift. Heck, maybe make a long jump dismount with B and a high jump dismount with A. When you dismount the Mongoose, you should also ready your weapon just a bit faster than normal so that you can charge into battle and engage with enormous speed. Of course you'd have to tune all of this, but that's the gist of the mechanics to fix the Mongoose.
The Gungoose is the most valuable tool to learn in Halo 5. Even the base model is totally based. Simply assess the battlefield and time your shots and you can get 8 to 30+ kills with the gungoose in big team games. Back when i was good at Halo i could carry my team with the gungoose every single time. It became central to my skillset and everything else i used to be the best at became secondary or superfluous to the gungoose. I've got killomanjaros with the gungoose. Nothing better.
Honestly if they'd made the gungoose a coked up rapid recon and peppering vehicle with paper thin armour that has to work in conjunction with the hog as a team to take out vehicles would be an incredible meta
There are 3 things in halo that all players should Fear. A cloaked enemy in e spawn a sniper with active camo and a 152 Spartan with wheelman and a gun goose that knows what their doing.
Maybe if they added attached a Railgun to the goose that kills with one shot in the head (not the body), it could be helpful, and the Oni version can kill without shooting at the face.
A fast, small transport vehicle has a purpose in multiplayer. Especially if the maps is a bit larger. It helps you get to power weapons and power positions sooner. It doesn’t need guns.
What if instead of focusing on an offensive weapon we look at it's honest military function: as a scouting vehicle. If the mongoose (or gungoose as a variant) still has the front windshield to protect the driver better from the front and instead of the guns, it becomes a minelayer. At the click of a button, a cluster mine or trip mine is dropped behind to protect the vehicle from pursuit. The mongoose could also probably take advantage of some utilities as well on the vehicle, becoming an actual utility rather than just a combat vehicle, which takes away from what it really can be which is a pain in the ass to hit.
here's the thing, the Mongoose was never a GOOD vehicle, but it's a FUN vehicle . It can lead to crazy and silly plays, it's a vehicle that's always gonna be sitting around in base for somebody who really wants one. as you said it's a staple of custom games and the Gungoose is just an extension of that. giving players even more custom game oppertunities and just being there as a fun silly vehicle for you to shout YOLO and have a good time with. It's weaker than the other vehicles, but is smaller and faster too. In my eyes that's it's role and the game would be lacking without it.
Add a little cover for the driver, and maybe have a system of defensive or offensive deployable item, like mines, or an AoE EMP. Its still unarmed, but EMP rum-bys on bigger vehicles require skilled driving and a solid opening in defenses.
The solution to the tragedy would be to make the gungoose powerful in it’s own right; neither obsolete or important. Much like the plasma pistol can EMP vehicles, and needle weapons can supercombine.
The gungoose belongs on my custom maps that are too small for any other vehicles, typically free for all as well makes the gungoose a hilarious troll moment that can succeed.
Simple fix: Add a rear turret for the passenger that's not as powerful as the Warthog, but more powerful than the normal cannons. Buff up the front guns too, but only in damage. Now you have a vehicle that's perfect for hit and run tactics, with one side leaving its firing angle just in time for the other side to be right on target. It will still suffer against other vehicles, but excel at taking down players as well as having the agility to get to control areas and out of danger as needed.
To be fair, in an arena game not everything has to play well together in the same sandbox, as very rarely does everything exist together in any scenario due to map balancing. I think gungoose variants would work swell. Harmony with all vehicles is ideal, but there is still a place for vehicles that are potentially disruptive as you can remove or add any vehicles you want to a map, it only has to be balanced for that map in particular. A disruptive vehicle isn't necessarily a bad thing as it can take the place of another vehicle on a specific map. The beauty of arena games with equal starts is that you only have to balance maps, you can add whatever nonsense you want and the worst case scenario is that you just don't want it on your specific map. One maps trash is another maps treasure. I think exploring the idea of swapping out vehicles would bring much needed variety to the long and tired formula of spamming warthogs to the other base. Variants + Traditional vehicles are the future of Halo IMO.
What if in exchange for making the guns actually good, you took away the passenger seat? That would solidify it as a skirmisher like the Ghost, but the Ghost would still be competitive due to being able to strafe, move faster with Boost, and having a generally easier time keeping the guns on target. It wouldn't replace the Warthog either due to not having a extra seat for flag running.
Idk probably a bad idea but instead of just changing the gungoose, change the other vehicles. The covenant one (I forgot the name, I know) could become a more aerial vehicle with the ability to fly. The warthog, launchers, and the spartan lazer being the only things capable of shooting it down in such short and effective notice, with normal guns having to take it’s time to destroy it. Record holder for fastest weapon to shoot it down being the sniper. Warthogs could stay as warthogs with the only change being the capability of a more effective ram and gun, drawbacks being more realistic physics tied to it (no cartwheeling when it hits a single boulder). The gungoose then can be tweaked to be a smaller, weaker (by that I mean it can be demolished, most likely have it’s health sliced in half when bumping into a warthog) but a more precise version of the warthog. It’s mounted guns can act as turrets, locking onto targets in 2 stages. 1st being an instant deploy being the most in-precise shot, 2nd being the more precise one requiring the vehicle to slow down. Speaking of slowing down another benefit of the now tweaked gungoose would be it’s speed.
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personally, I think the more the merrier, and it should instead come down to map design... Don't have too many vehicle types occupying the same niche in the same map. Have some maps use warthogs, others, regular or gun mongooses, but rarely if ever on the same map. Maybe add some rarity to it, like way more common mongooses over specialized gun gooses. I think the mongooses would be better relagated to smaller maps where a warthog would struggle because it's too cramped, but it's not too small for ghosts and gooses.
And then balance the gun goose to be slightly less effective than the ghost. There should be a penalty for the ability to carry a passenger.
The gun goose is alright.
honestly, I actuly think the grenande launchers from H5s version should be kept. if ya gat a direct hit its a 1-2 shot kill, abd brust damage like that really helps when you cant turn on a dime like with the ghost, sense ya only have to be lined up for a split second.
I have a few ideas to keep the ghost, mongoose, and warthog viable.
Make the gungoose a power-vehicle, so there’s only one gungoose per team. It would be like the tank, when it blows up it takes a minute to spawn in.
Change up the mongoose. Make the mongoose faster than the gungoose and add a jump ability to it, because honestly the mongoose is a terrible vehicle and needs something to help it stand out more.
The ghost is fine where it is. If it really needs a buff, then add an increase to turning speed.
The warthog is a classic, I a small buff to it would be flag holders can use their main weapons in it, unlike other vehicles. Making it more viable for flag runs but not killing the mongoose or gungoose.
Mind telling me what your intro music is? Because damn that slaps
I've always thought of the mongoose as a free headshot on wheels.
Lmao. I honestly don’t see why mongeese exist in multiplayer
I take it back, they can be clutch in objective type modes
Accurate.
It's amazing for ctf on maps with lots of cover or clear lanes
@@BiomechanicalBrick Yeah, that's true.
playing halo 5 castle wars rn and they're basically free kills lmao
When I hop on the gungoose in H2A, my thought is, "Why am I even driving this?" but when I get on the passenger seat of the gungoose in Halo 5, all I say is, "Is this what being God feels like?"
FRAGS. FOR. DAYS.
I was a god once.
@@Orinslayer until I took an arrow in the knee
Lol yes. Sitting inside the objective at warzone and aiming at some angles will farm you so many kills
@@Orinslayer Yes, I saw, you did quite well until everyone died.
Considering the fact I once used a Gungoose in Halo 5 Warzone, and chased an enemy player around at least a third of the map while firing grenades at him, before cornering him and getting a kill. My sanity is questionable.
The mongoose fills the role in 3 of just being something quick to get to the action without having to take a warthog from your team all for yourself. The mongoose definitely has an important niche in the sandbox in my opinion. I've never viewed the geese as some kind of offensive power house nor should it be.
Yes exactly my thought throughout this video. A disposable vehicle to get you to midmap or further quickly without taking the hog or ghost.
@@loganrice9497 Or for objective transport so you can have covering fire from a warthog
Yes, but the thing is that it had the same speed as the warthog like what's the point? Might as well take the warthog or a ghost for that matter
@@ZER-cr4dm did you read what I said?
@@ZER-cr4dm god learn to read
Have you heard the tragedy of gungoose the undergunned? They say his guns were so underpowered that he could prevent his enemies from dying
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Its not a story a player would tell you. Its a dev legend.
Ironic, he could keep the ones he hated from dying but not himself
It needs a little headlight fluid.
How about elbow grease??
Yeah! You do know where the store is, do you?
What? Yeah yeah of course I do. Sure, no problem.
Other way.
I knew that. Just got turned around that's all.
The gungoose was fixed: it's called the mongoose.
The mongoose has a sandbox niche by being accessible.
There is always a mongoose at both bases in Valhalla because the need for mongooses is limited and also because the mongoose should have a faster respawn timer than the other vehicles. Because the need for mongooses, that means when they are needed, they are available.
The mongoose was added to address the problem of map flow and getting players to the action. Think of it as a map design crutch almost to allow bases to be further away from each other. This is why it works so well for custom games.
If you want to improve the mongoose, do the following
-Make it faster at the cost of maneuverability
-Make it so the driver can shoot one handed weapons
-Make it so when you leave the mongoose it's as fast as possible, maybe even instant
-improve driver protection
-rear seat infinite grenades and ammo to incentivize passengers
Then, not only does the mongoose fill its niche, it excels at it.
I think you're listing out the benefits of the Mongoose in the perfect world. Im not saying it's useless, but it's most def the weakest (from a utility standpoint) of all the vehicles in any game it appears in.
As of now, all the Mgoose does is ironically, remove players from the actual action, by stripping their ability to fight away, all while dumping them into conflicts with a disadvantage, which just makes you an easy drop. Even if you get away, it's hardly to any major benefit. You just end up in an area where you're outnumbered and the avg player ain't gonna be able to flip spawns or do any REAL work. I'm hard pressed to recognize the Mgoose as a promotor of better "map flow". If anything, it's an awkward tag along. The raw, on-foot flow still dominates anything the Mgoose attempts, cause the Mgoose has no fight function. You either get ignored by an initial enemy or picked off.
@@AscendHyperion The benefit they listed was it's availability due to the larger quantity of mongeese and their quick respawn time. Having at least one mongoose ready at the base isn't a perfect world scenario, it's almost guaranteed at all times and that's an advantage. If you just need to get somewhere quicker, the mongoose is the lowest risk option, because taking the warthog or ghost will risk it getting destroyed and they take some time to respawn. I will say though the mongoose loses that niche in halo 4 and 5, sprint and enhanced mobility just makes it obsolete
Ascend Hyperion I don’t know man, I’ve head some great times on Valhalla with the Mongoose. Nothing like taking it full speed off a grav lift right into an enemy Banshee. Not the most viable option, but a hell of a FUN way to play.
So basically, a motorcycle.
@@brawlmaster942 You forgot the obvious utility of a quick small vehicle able to make flag runs and stuff. It's small and nimble, and if you have a guy with a rocket launcher or something it turns into an effective hit-and-run vehicle too.
In Halo 3 and Reach, the weapons players spawn with didn't have the same lethality as Halo 2A and 5, so while the passengers were exposed, a good driver could easily dodge most incoming fire.
My exact thought was "I'm in danger" when hopping on a gungoose in H2A
To pop my head in this fairly old video: The regular Mongoose is the definition of a small map arena vehicle, something that thrives on maps like High Ground, where the warthog would simply be too big, and the ghost can't carry a passenger with the flag, oddball, etc. Not to mention the mongoose is used rather creatively in the campaign, for faster paced combat sections in smaller spaces!
A middle ground between the machine guns and grenade launcher kind of sounds like you want to slap the cannons from the Chopper onto the goose
BOLTERS BROTHERS
that entire bit he was basically describing the Chopper to a T
In that case just bring back the chopper (which they are) and remove the gungoose (which they aren’t).
What if instead of guns, they just made the mongoose really fast, that way the exposed hit box issue be so bad as you are a small target that is moving fast. Making the mongoose only for transfer could be its roll in the sandbox
That's an innovative approach for sure, but one that's better applied to the straight up Mongoose.
Make it not cost req points either
Or add some sort of ability with a cool down where it boosts toward with some sort of battering ram or plow, and knocks over vehicles and splatters players in front of it.
@@thegrapethief5514 that the ghost... and in Infinite probably the chopper too
@@Franzinho_0802 oh yeah, good point. Some sort of thrusters on the bottom that let it jump super high?
why would you disrespect spectres like that, my friends and i liked the spectre more because you can mount double the rocket-launcher equipped guys onto the passenger seat
It can also strafe and climb very steep inclines the warthog cant or with great slowness.
Troop transport hog was the shit on campaign. Like 6 Marines with rocket launchers or fuel rod cannons.
Rolling death.
@@hippiehippo9030 I've never used the transport hog, I mean to try it the next time I play through the franchise.
I am clearly not a soul in my right mind, as I use it all the time! XD
Yesss! It is great when you miss the Warthog. Following them to show up as a wave of reinforcements is pretty good.
Same it’s one of my favorites
I've gotten killstreaks of like 5 or 6 on H5 using a gun goose haha
In H2A I killed a hog before it killed me. Outgunned the gunner. It was hilarious. Got a triple.
I got my first killionaire with an oni gun goose on halo 5 lmaooooo. They are honestly overlooked. As soon as I would get level 3 reqs on Warzone I would spam them and hit level 6 reqs then just req op crap.
Funnily enough, The Gungoose is actually quite fun to use in Halo Infinite, 2 shot kill and ridiculous speed. In my experience at least.
Me when I use Halo 5 gungoose in Warzone: "You better start running."
So long as it's not an Oni Gungoose, where the grenades just bounce off instead of exploding...
@@pfeilspitze ah oni gungoose the literal bad gungoose in 5
HOW?! But I took the keys!!
343 did it! They managed to make the Gungoose actually good in Halo Infinite!
BA DUM!
The Geneva convention comment 😂
I’m a minute in and I love it already
Well, have you ever faced a Hannibal MANTIS?
I'm a minute in and my uncle's giant meat log is 6.5 hard and delicious inches in
I think even an up-armored gungoose in H2A would work since the ghost has the boost mechanic and that the guns are still slower and less maneuverable than the ghost . Sadly H5's gungoose has honestly shored up to just being a base bomber where, someone sits on the back and throws infinite nades with grenadier to hold an armory.
The halo 5 gun goose is so fun. I think it's any gungoose can throw infinite grenades, not just the oni
I always thought it was just the ONI Gungoose. Good catch if not!
@@AscendHyperion Ohhh its not XD. Its any and all gungoose's.
It’s not the only
They should've focused more on the passenger. I'm thinking EJECTOR SEAT!
The innovator 👆
What you could do in Halo 5 is (with that block on the front) add a point light with the lense flare effect set to ‘Sun’ so it blinds anyone that looks at you while you gun them down.
I did this with a warthog. It’s hilarious.
have you ever heard of the tragedy of darth gungoose the wise
You mean the Gungedy of Darth tradgoose?
I thought not. It's not a story the spartans would tell you.
Imagine the UNSC purposefully degrading their vehicles to give the covenant a fair fight.
V r u h
Arguably this is the one thing the UNSC, Covenant and Banished can all agree on- everyone always coordinates their weapon loadouts for fairness...
Something I'd love to see would be a nimble, fast, single seater, fragile stealth electric dirt bike, something you'd hop on to go to a specific location, hop off, destroy to force respawn, probably with a few melee hits or a singular frag nade, and then do your thing, the vehicle you grab when you see that your own flag's already at mid and someone already took the ghost, you get there, hop off, unload BR.
Put a triple burst grenade launcher on the back that had to be reloaded every burst, make it quieter. It’s now a hit-and-run vehicle. It now has a place in the sandbox.
In halo 5 warzone, if our core gets opened, i bring an ONI gungoose into the core room for deffense... tossing infinite frag grenades at a door is decent area denial.
Just one error: All of the H5 Gungoose variants have the Infinite grenades for passangers
I've played a lot of Halo 5... I never knew this wtf
I personally believe the Gungoose cannot work because of it's departure from Halo's fundamental combat mechanics. Halo's combat is designed to be more drawn out. A dance. This allows players to actively use their surroundings and movement to their advantage. Strafing and pivoting are key to combat. That is why the Ghost works as a single occupant vehicle. It mimics Halo's core combat design. It can strafe and pivot. That's why the Warthog gunner works. They can pivot while the drive acts as their "strafe."
The Gungoose cannot strafe or pivot. It can only attack and move in one direction: forward. As you showed, that means players have a small window to attack. This goes against Halo's drawn out combat dance. In Halo 5, it appears the idea was to avoid the dance by making the Gungoose launch two powerful grenades in a "hit and run" design style. However, this then begins to break the balance of vehicles. Quick kill times are generally reserved for the slower vehicles, which goes against the inherent design of the Mongoose. Either way you cut it, it just doesn't look like the Gungoose can fit into a proper niche within the sandbox.
Boom, this right here. I like the idea of a Gungoose as a more laidback fun gamemode type vehicle instead of an actual vehicle to be used in competitive play.
Eh you haven't seen people drift it then, a good player can basically circle and keep a lock
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Gungoose the Wise? I thought not, it is not a story the UNSC would tell you...
Would love to see a new addition to this video now that infinite has a really nice take on the gungoose
Here me out:
Grav-goose
A mongoose that can jump like in rl by using a gravity jump
I love when people actually give me creative ideas :)
I wanna gauss goose, imagine one shotting larger vehicles in a mongoose, but you have a long reload time.
The mongoose is a scout/reconnaissance vehicle, it's sole purpose meant to get you and a passenger where ever you need to go quickly. It's not meant to be an offensive powerhouse, it's a rapid response quad bike designed for fast transport.
The Mongoose and Gungoose are there to help you reach points of interest easier, the fact that they can be used for combat is just a sidenote not a main feature.
A really good example is Ghost Town in Halo 3, it allows you to reach the Rocket Launcher first
Even if the warthog and gungoose seem to compete uneasily with each other when present in the same map, it can still be interesting to have both vehicles in the game. The trick is to put them on different maps, or allow vehicles to be replaced with custom map settings. Having some maps or game modes where the players are *forced* to drive the vehicle that would usually be less-preferred makes them stand out and gives them a different feel.
Hahaha!! Dammit the Hannibal Mantis bit made me subscribe!! Love it.
Redesign: the shotgoose. Like the gungoose, but it has shotguns on the front that shoot in a flat, duckbill pattern. I think this would create a fun hit and run vehicle that doesn’t exist.
It's like 343 saw this video and set out to remedy it, because the gun goose in infinite is actually good. This is because instead of a mounted machine gun, it instead fires two rocket blasts. If you have good aim and are familiar with operating the goose itself, you can actually successful dole out a nice killing spree. I actually have majorly more success in the gun goose than I do with any other vehicle other than tanks, and even that comparison isn't a too far off vehicle in terms of getting kills, because the gun goose is much more maneuverable, which makes dodging something like a skewer much easier than with a tank, and thus survive longer. I myself have a record of 11 kills in a single ride on the goose, NOT a cumulative kill count split between numerous times on it.
"Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Gungoose the useless? Hmm I thought not... It's no tale the Oni would tell you."
Probably doesn’t help that it’s direct competitors at least have armor in the direct front to protect the driver
The grenade launchers on the h5 goose I think was already perfect. Specialized it to either a feild artillery peice, and a hit and run attacks. Doesn't invalidate the ghost because the ghost can consistently sit and fight and has better maneuverability.
Wow!
i never knew that a vehicle could cause so much drama!
There is much that can be done to the Mongoose.
Like a mine-laying Mongoose variant, or one that can launch smoke / frag grenades from front & rear launchers. Maybe even the ability to latch onto a small utility trailer that can mount up to four more Marines on it. Or tow a portable gun torrent or a mounted anti-air/tank gun.
Maybe one with a EMP device that can be used to disactivat all vehicles within say a 15 Mi radius. Rendering enemy Tanks, Warthogs, Banshees, and such useless for a minute (Including the Mongoose).
There are so many awesome things that can be done to the Mongoose, other than mounting guns to the front.
The gungoose helped me a lot in my halo 5 legendary playthrough, I could get on the back and lob infinite grenades everywhere
What if the gungoose was treated as more of a glass cannon? Like it could have stronger guns and more rotation, but keep the same vulnerability of it, possibly even reduce its durability. These changes would separate it from the warthog and ghost due to how vulnerable it would be, but it could counter something like the scorpion with its high mobility and damage.
Another idea is to add some tracking to the bullets of the gungoose so it could be more for a "bombing run" strat.
Also, there are probably some problems with these changes that I haven't thought of.
This might work: increase the fire rate, projectile hitbox, and range radius to compete with the hog, however have it lack armor or singler projectile damage like the hog. Also give it some protection like the ghost.
Add a cooldown of 0.03-0.5 seconds and overheats after 12 seconds of constant fire, however lacks large protection like the ghost. The kill time should be 1.45 seconds without a passenger, just about a 0.05 faster then the ghosts kill time. Finally, only one of these kind spawns for both teams while you still have the options for a normal goose and its respawn time is 30 seconds.
Call this Rec variant in 5: Wild Goose Chace.
When you say I'd never take a gun goose, but then I have to choose between a gun goose and a mongoose.
Halo 5 haters get real quiet when the gungoose rolls up
I want a mongoose that not only has guns, but also has wings and can fly. Also it needs cupholders and flames on the sides.
Big solutions
I’ve always thought it would be great if the Mongoose gave its driver and passenger a boost to their shields. Like, there’s a battery on the Mongoose that overclocks your personal shields, making it much harder to kill someone while they’re on it. (Maybe it functions like overshields) but if someone hops off, they lose those additional shields, and a skilled enough sniper could blast the battery (after it’s been exposed from vehicle damage) to blow it up, or just shut off the additional shields. On top of that, as long as your additional shields hold up, the battery protects the mongoose from being EMP’d. This “Shieldgoose” if you will, can then act as a fast and viable transport across the battlefield, while not making the Warthog any less viable. (This thing could be a MONSTER in Capture the Flag.)
Solution:
Take a look at Planetside 2's Flash and go from there :D
I think it should be more lethal than the ghost since it is less maneuverable, can't strafe, can't boost, and worse cover
The mongoose is slower than the warthog. At least, in Halo 3
Best goose gameplay is driving around with an expert rocket launcher player as the passenger. I have never seen more destruction in my life than when i saw one of those driving around.
That cut footage of the mongoose was so sick it’s a really cool look for it but a little too sporty than military
i actually love the gungoose in h5 and its oni variant makes it my faviroute ground vehicle for usability and the sheer amount of kills i seem to get whenever i hop on it.
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Gungoose the Wise? It's not a tale the warthog would tell you.
One thing I found odd about introducing the Mongoos and the Gungoos into the Halo sandbox was having that additional seat. Sure it mean there was an additional gun but it was just meant that you needed an additional player to get more effectiveness out of it. Like in Halo 3 when your trying to take down the two scarabs without any air support. If you are driving a Mongoos it takes longer, if you leave the driving up to the AI then it's simply going to circle around randomly and might drive you over a cliff.
The Gungoose would have been an interesting introduction at that point simply because the AI drivers could deal with the ghosts while you take cover in the ruins and work your way towards the crippled scarab. It would have been interesting to be able to take over one Scarab and take out the other then sabotage the one you pilot on your way out.
Honesty I’ve got some pretty good kill streaks with the gun goose myself
The Mongoose's biggest problem is not actually the lack of guns, but the inability to splatter anyone despite being so fast. So, I would like to give the Gungoose a souped-up shotgun instead of those dinky little machine guns. Then it could use the shotgun to be able to pseudo-splatter enemies as well as giving it a little ranged damage. Maybe it could be a flak cannon or something like the Scattershot so it has a random but longer projectile range.
I thought the whole point of the mongoose was to deliver marines with rocket launcher.
How I would handle a 'gungoose' is something like a slingshot motorcycle (a motorcycle with two wheels at the front, shaping it like a slingshot). You'd have the driver in the center protected by glass from the front and steel in the back, with a turret mounted above the rear wheel. This turret would be weaker than a Warthog's turret, but stronger than small arms fire, approximately matching the Ghost in utility. This new vehicle, looking somewhat like a coiled snake about to bite, would be designated "The Rattlesnake" (aka, the Rattler) by the UNSC's Marine Corps. Its main purpose is recon and supporting infantry on the ground against lightly armored air and ground targets. Its turret can be aimed in 360° independent of where the vehicle is aiming, allowing it to fire anywhere the user can see. This gives it some great utility over the Ghost, so there has to be a downside: for a lightly armored vehicle, the Rattlesnake has a fairly large profile, almost matching the size of a Warthog and only a little bit faster. This means that it is one of the easiest light vehicles to hit with something like a plasma grenade or rocket launcher, making it a bit more vulnerable than a standard Mongoose or Ghost. It would also be slower than the Ghost, so while it can outgun the Ghost against air targets, it cannot outrun the Ghost. The actual weapon the Rattlesnake carries can be anything from an MG to a smaller Guass Cannon to a Railgun, depending on what the UNSC is expecting to face in the next fight
To be fair, the Mongoose's key is the passenger.. Armed with strategy, speed, a 360 degree field of aim, and a Rocket Launcher or a nice plasma, that's one less enemy Warthog and its crew as they're getting in.
And here I go with my concept : The EMPgoose. The pilot has a rechargeable ability to throw an EMP blast around him (same effect as H2A Bloodline bases EMP effect). It doesn't put the goose as more agressive, but serves a better support role. It's not much of an improvement, but it Can definitely help a team. Imagine a suicidal goose against a scorpion/wraith, juste rushing to disable it for a short period, maybe enough time for a Spartan laser (backseat ?) to kill it. Imagine a tag team rushing for the flag, you can just EMP the hogs/ghosts on the ennemy sife before leaving, making you the fastest moving stuff for a short time, enough to avoid getting shot at while fleeing ! I'm sure the goose Can get support functions that can definitely make it better
This video is excellent, basically sums up everything you need to know about the Gungoose. Personally I think the Halo 5 Gungoose is decent, I have managed to get kills with the grenades before and if one pops up in the random vehicle spawn I'm often confident I can get at least one kill and use it to get to a base before I dump it. If I could make my own changes to the Gungoose I'd probably go for something similar to what the Halo SPV3 mod did with it, in that it has two mounted Assault Rifles as the primary weapon and slow-reloading grenade launchers as the secondary, and possibly include the infinite grenades for the passenger from Halo 5's ONI Goose.
I feel like a sensible solution would to be to allow the driver to fire certain weapons one-handed, like pistols, the plasma rifle, the SMG. It could allow for the driver to still protect himself, and open up combos with the passenger, I.e. driver with plasma pistol to EMP a vehicle, passenger hits it with an explosive weapon.
00:30 That banshee is from SimplePlanes.
Ah, I see you’re a gamer of culture as well.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of the gungoose? It's not a story 343 would tell you
they would expect you to read the expanded lore and then buy a halo game around the expanded lore that was never said in game
People who scoff at the sight of a mongoose simply don't play objective games. It doesn't need a gun, and it doesn't need unlimited grenades, it's just a transportation vehicle to get your carrier out of enemy territory. I personally wish they'd add more support vehicles rather than focusing on single player kill streak assault vehicles.
A good vehicle should be between the Reach banshee and the poor Mongoose.
I've seen other comments offering how to go about uping the Mongoose/Gungoose's utility, one way would be to have a mongoose with more armor as proposed in the video, as then the mongoose has a much different utility than the warthog, it becomes the objective snatcher. Having two people ride in, the person on the back can still use a weapon, and once they reach the objective, trade that ability for being able to get away with the flag, as usual. I think this works as a solution because it still lets the warthog have the role of a mobile turret, and gives the mongoose a reason to be used. That being said, it may need more armor or some sort of shield you turn on or off, perhaps a version of armor lock for the mongoose, as a way to skillfully deflect rockets or other vehicle killers. That being said it would have to be like armor lock in that it only lasts a few seconds and locks the driving controls, whether to allow it to keep moving with whatever momentum was built up or causing a hard stop is a difficult decision, as each adds skill/utility to it. Have a warthog chasing you? Activate armor lock so it ramps off you or crashes. About to make it to the base but something starts gunning you down? Activate armor lock and skillfully crash it into the base where it can be safely delivered.
I think in Halo Infinite they should add a feature to custom games where you could like mix and match pieces from different vehicles together to make some really wacky shit. Like i don’t know a banshee with a scorpion turret on top. Better yet they should do this for guns as well.
Sooo... weapon pad glitch for vehicles?
Mongoose is like the Yoshi of Halo.
the gungoose is great for chasing down a camping sniper, good speed and fire rate lets you get in close
Best gun goose I've come across is the one from the SPV three mod which combines the Halo 2 anniversary and Halo 5 versions and makes it pretty damn good
The gungoose in infinite is pretty decent IMO
Sick intro my guy
Imo adding some sort of unique ability would make the gungoose/mongoose more attractive. For example, adding a short range shield burst (maybe a little OP) , or making the weapon more fitting (dual shotguns for CQC combat on the goose) would give it a more defined role, rather then it being the “Point A to point B” type of vehicle.
The real use of the mongoose it to launch across the map
I'm gonna blow your mind:
Mongoose is Sprint for Halo 3.
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That's right, Mongoose is the "get across the map quick" option in Halo 3, and even zips across a map faster than sprint in Reach, 4, and 5. They should have doubled down on that aspect of they wanted it to be more viable.
So how would I make it more viable? Allow the Mongoose to be mounted faster, and give you two ways to dismount. By pressing X like normal, or A to perform a super jump high speed dismount that launches you forward and into the air. Akin to a gravity lift. Heck, maybe make a long jump dismount with B and a high jump dismount with A. When you dismount the Mongoose, you should also ready your weapon just a bit faster than normal so that you can charge into battle and engage with enormous speed. Of course you'd have to tune all of this, but that's the gist of the mechanics to fix the Mongoose.
The Gungoose is the most valuable tool to learn in Halo 5. Even the base model is totally based. Simply assess the battlefield and time your shots and you can get 8 to 30+ kills with the gungoose in big team games. Back when i was good at Halo i could carry my team with the gungoose every single time. It became central to my skillset and everything else i used to be the best at became secondary or superfluous to the gungoose. I've got killomanjaros with the gungoose. Nothing better.
Camping by doors in warzone with a gungoose with infinite nades is such a fun strategy lmao.
If you've never been on the receiving end of a guy with a Hannibal Mantis and a raging erection then you haven't really played Halo 5.
Honestly if they'd made the gungoose a coked up rapid recon and peppering vehicle with paper thin armour that has to work in conjunction with the hog as a team to take out vehicles would be an incredible meta
There are 3 things in halo that all players should Fear. A cloaked enemy in e spawn a sniper with active camo and a 152 Spartan with wheelman and a gun goose that knows what their doing.
It's simple : Keep the Mongoose and replace the Gungoose with a two-seater Jackrabbit.
Maybe if they added attached a Railgun to the goose that kills with one shot in the head (not the body), it could be helpful, and the Oni version can kill without shooting at the face.
A fast, small transport vehicle has a purpose in multiplayer. Especially if the maps is a bit larger. It helps you get to power weapons and power positions sooner. It doesn’t need guns.
What if instead of focusing on an offensive weapon we look at it's honest military function: as a scouting vehicle. If the mongoose (or gungoose as a variant) still has the front windshield to protect the driver better from the front and instead of the guns, it becomes a minelayer. At the click of a button, a cluster mine or trip mine is dropped behind to protect the vehicle from pursuit. The mongoose could also probably take advantage of some utilities as well on the vehicle, becoming an actual utility rather than just a combat vehicle, which takes away from what it really can be which is a pain in the ass to hit.
when i was younger
i used to think the gungoose as a ghost
but not for covenants and had an extra seat
here's the thing, the Mongoose was never a GOOD vehicle, but it's a FUN vehicle . It can lead to crazy and silly plays, it's a vehicle that's always gonna be sitting around in base for somebody who really wants one. as you said it's a staple of custom games and the Gungoose is just an extension of that. giving players even more custom game oppertunities and just being there as a fun silly vehicle for you to shout YOLO and have a good time with. It's weaker than the other vehicles, but is smaller and faster too. In my eyes that's it's role and the game would be lacking without it.
Add a little cover for the driver, and maybe have a system of defensive or offensive deployable item, like mines, or an AoE EMP. Its still unarmed, but EMP rum-bys on bigger vehicles require skilled driving and a solid opening in defenses.
The solution to the tragedy would be to make the gungoose powerful in it’s own right; neither obsolete or important. Much like the plasma pistol can EMP vehicles, and needle weapons can supercombine.
The gungoose belongs on my custom maps that are too small for any other vehicles, typically free for all as well makes the gungoose a hilarious troll moment that can succeed.
Simple fix: Add a rear turret for the passenger that's not as powerful as the Warthog, but more powerful than the normal cannons. Buff up the front guns too, but only in damage. Now you have a vehicle that's perfect for hit and run tactics, with one side leaving its firing angle just in time for the other side to be right on target. It will still suffer against other vehicles, but excel at taking down players as well as having the agility to get to control areas and out of danger as needed.
Wow, nice video! I wish more people knew about you
To be fair, in an arena game not everything has to play well together in the same sandbox, as very rarely does everything exist together in any scenario due to map balancing. I think gungoose variants would work swell. Harmony with all vehicles is ideal, but there is still a place for vehicles that are potentially disruptive as you can remove or add any vehicles you want to a map, it only has to be balanced for that map in particular. A disruptive vehicle isn't necessarily a bad thing as it can take the place of another vehicle on a specific map.
The beauty of arena games with equal starts is that you only have to balance maps, you can add whatever nonsense you want and the worst case scenario is that you just don't want it on your specific map. One maps trash is another maps treasure.
I think exploring the idea of swapping out vehicles would bring much needed variety to the long and tired formula of spamming warthogs to the other base. Variants + Traditional vehicles are the future of Halo IMO.
What if in exchange for making the guns actually good, you took away the passenger seat? That would solidify it as a skirmisher like the Ghost, but the Ghost would still be competitive due to being able to strafe, move faster with Boost, and having a generally easier time keeping the guns on target. It wouldn't replace the Warthog either due to not having a extra seat for flag running.
Idk probably a bad idea but instead of just changing the gungoose, change the other vehicles. The covenant one (I forgot the name, I know) could become a more aerial vehicle with the ability to fly. The warthog, launchers, and the spartan lazer being the only things capable of shooting it down in such short and effective notice, with normal guns having to take it’s time to destroy it. Record holder for fastest weapon to shoot it down being the sniper.
Warthogs could stay as warthogs with the only change being the capability of a more effective ram and gun, drawbacks being more realistic physics tied to it (no cartwheeling when it hits a single boulder). The gungoose then can be tweaked to be a smaller, weaker (by that I mean it can be demolished, most likely have it’s health sliced in half when bumping into a warthog) but a more precise version of the warthog. It’s mounted guns can act as turrets, locking onto targets in 2 stages. 1st being an instant deploy being the most in-precise shot, 2nd being the more precise one requiring the vehicle to slow down. Speaking of slowing down another benefit of the now tweaked gungoose would be it’s speed.
I always considered the mongoose as unfinished