How to Prevent Your Silver Coins From Milk Spotting
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- How to prevent silver coins from milk spotting is a great topic that I cover in this video. If you are an avid sliver stacker or silver collector then you are likely aware of the problem of milk spotting coins. Sometimes silver coins will get this milky appearance on them and it really ruins the look of the coin. I cover how to avoid having coins with milk spots on them in this video. I do not recommend cleaning coins, but if you own the coin then you can do whatever you want with it. I like buying silver coins, but I am always cautious of buying silver coins that could milk spot like the canadian silver maple leafs from the royal canadian mint that I show in this video. The canadian maple leaf is perhaps the most well known milk spotted silver coin and hopefully they have fixed the issue. I hope this simple silver stacking tip can help you avoid milk spotted coins. If you are wanting to get rid of milk spots or fix a milk spotting issue then the best advise I can give is to get rid of the coin. Thanks for watching!
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Topics I cover in this video: milk spotting, milk spotted silver coins, how to avoid milk spotted coins, coins that milk spot, silver bullion, silver coins, silver stacking tips
He never actually explained how to prevent milk spotting.
You can't prevent milk spots. Some mints use borax in the minting process and that's what causes it. Not every coin milkspots, I heard it's about 30% of them do.
NEWER Canadian maple leafs are your best bet if you don't want milkspots.
there is no known way to do this. silver maples made after 2018 have mint shield technology - and from my own personal collection and what forums say, spotting is greatly reduced. even some of my american eagles have this problem.
@@beng2708 yes - after 2018.
I dont mind milk spots cuz it's still silver at end of the day.....great vid
Me personally i rather buy a cleaned up maple than a milk spotted one
A light wiping with a jewelers cloth works wonders...it's already not very good looking anyway. As long as you don't overdue it, it shines them right up with no noticeable cleaning marks. Thanks for the video SB!
Thanks TB... I have one of those
Talking Bullion yeah iv also heard erasers work 🤷🏽♂️🔥🐉
I personally have been trying to clean off my US Olympic Team silver bar and the whole 1 side is all milk spotted.
I’ve done everything with my silver clothes to rub or scratch y off but it won’t go away :(
I thought I bought a fake bar until I found this video and realized it’s just a milk spot which I guess is normal...
It’s not RcM but still disappointing the shine is gone on 1 side
To prevent milkspots on silver coins and bars, I personally recommend this method: 1) About every 2 weeks give a light wipe with a cloth (such as the one used for glasses) or if available, silk. The cloth must still be clean and dry, so that it does not contain potentially abrasive impurities. 2) Always keep silver objects encapsulated without leaving fingerprints on them, and cover the capsules with silicon bags (such as those used for wardrobes and clothes). In the absence of these, grains of rice, as these too the latter absorb moisture, primary cause of the milkspots.
Hi! I recently read an article about the Canadian Mint changing their final Rinse/WASH in 2018 to try to prevent milk spotting! Small silica caps,the type used in meds to keep humidity out work really well, also. *Sometimes the humidity in homes is much higher than people realize. I even put 4 in bank box!
I would be careful with any wash at all on proof coins as it can hurt the finish
@@steelemerald300 No he meant at the mint it is called "mint shield" I think. Done in the manufacturing of the coin
When you need a coffee you can always throw a maple in your cup that way you get your milk and healthy dose of silver at the same time haha..
Silver dragon.
I’m new to your channel and new to stacking. I’m catching up on your prior videos and learning a lot, so thank you. Prior to this video, I didn’t know this was a problem and I’m glad I stumbled upon it because I have 2021 maple leafs of their way.
The process the Royal Canadian Mint developed consists of a "super cleaning" process with chemicals they use during the minting process. The term "mint shield" is a bit misleading, because the coins are not coated with anything, they are simply super cleaned and this solved this age old process problem finally and as far as I know, completely.
You could also buy ones for spot that have already gotten milk spots.
Alex Coin Roll Hunter that would be nice if my LCS did that 🔥🐉
Yes, I agree. The bottom line is that those that are prone to spotting cannot be prevented. So, do your research and buy from those Mints that don't have a history of spotting. Thanks for sharing.
SalivateMetal yes for sure thanks so much for watching my friend!! 🔥🐉
Or you can look at it this way. Spotting usually occurs on real silver. One way of knowing your coin isn't a fake. Not saying that none spotters are fake. Dragon is correct. It gets down to certain Minters. Also keep an eye out for British mint coins spotting.
I think the Royal Canadian Mint just changed how they clean the planchettes.. But like you said they are not clear about it... Really no way to stop them since it happens from the planchette cleaning process..
Silver Wolverine yeah so just don’t buy from them 😂🔥🐉
And you never said how to prevent
By buying coins that don't milk spot, such as the newer Maple Leafs (2018 and later), or from other mints that produce coins that don't milk spot in the first place. Otherwise there is no way to prevent it.
you can't, its up to the mint to produce it that way or not, you can prevent it by knowing what year/mint to look for and don't play yourself, also by getting them in person
It doesn’t effect the value of the actual coin as it’s silver content is the exact same and thats the value of course. However it will effect the premium on more collectible coins and as people are saying there is nothing you can do to prevent it unfortunately..... I WISH THERE WAS 😂
I purchase from the royal Canadian mint mostly maples, they are just so shiny and I love the design. I only buy 2018/2019 coins from them since they are not suppose to milk spot.
calderon2091 nice and that is the way to go!!! 🔥🐉
Yeah, it's that chemical detergent. Mind you, it might take years, on years to spot up, but most are already contaminated even before leaving the mint. Great video!-MS
Menehune Stacker right so best to just stay clear.. thanks so much!! 🔥🐉
I got milk spot on South African "Kruger Rand 2020" and Austrian "Philharmoniker 2019". Very heavily on Austrian one.
Like South Park says “Blame Canada!”
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Silver Heist lol pretty much 🔥🐉
I just bought a silver 1oz Britannia 2022 brand new from online retailer, and it came with milk spot. So I guess the mint that makes our British Britannia have not learned the secret yet!
Mint shield is a chemical that is apart of the powder used for the impurities that sticks to the powder when there down with melting down that suff stuck to the bar is called slag.
"People don't really like clean stuff"
Where I live stained coins put in auctions end up less than those who are shiny. I won one by betting really low just for fun and it worked. Bought the coin for a little less below spot actually. Took a rubber, removed the spots, put it on sale again and received a tad bit more as I would have to pay in any local shop. The difference allowed me to buy a new coin for half the price because of this story :D it was a one time only and I did it just for fun. But it worked. And it was no auction house but just a simple online auction server where people can offer their things they no longer want.
Backyard bullion did a video about removing milk spotting and he used a pencil eraser. You would never want to do it to a coin with numismatic value but I tried it on one of my kangaroos and it worked pretty good.
It removes the milk spot but leaves hairline scratches which makes it even worse.
Thanks Baggins. I learned some things from this video. Helpful for me.
If you consider maples as coins dont clean them, if you consider them as bullion you could use baking soda and aluminum.
I would also like to ad my Mayflower brand jewelry cloth removed most of the spots. Seems to work better on newer coins. After seeing all of the black on the cloth afterwards I realized the coins weren't as clean as you would expect.
I always have a couple coins out on my desk, usually one in my pocket. I am sure they will get milk spotted or tarnished, but i don't really care to be honest. All my other silver will sit in the tubes they came in never to be touched.
exactly. enjoy it!
It’s hilarious how totally unconcerned the RCM was with milk spotting prior to introducing their Mint Shield technology. Their answer to complaints used to be that it didn’t matter what bullion coins looked like so just shut up and go away! 😂
Stephen Parsons yep haha now they are bragging about them being shielded 😂🔥🐉
It funny they call it Mint Shield "Technology" ... when they probably could have just added the product enhancement without mention. The marketing department recognized they were having trouble because of poor product history
A lot of people mention borax but any metal will oxidise and even silver.
Moisture and oxygen will oxidise the silver over time and typically silver oxide will be white or milky but in years past this oxidation would be multicoloured eventually going black.
To prevent oxidation is not easy and it seems people who live in a marine environment with salt in the air are worst while those in dry places do best.
I keep my coins in capsules, inside mahogany coin cabinets in an atmosphere of 20 per cent humidity and very little variation of temperature.
I have not noticed milk spotting but have rainbow coloured silver from 30 years ago and totally black silver from 200 years ago.
Today and for many years the silver in coins is now at levels of purity never seen before and so the oxidation is likely to be of a new kind such as this milkiness.
I have yet to be convinced that borax is involved though and certainly not ingrained in virtually pure silver.
In theory strong ammonia solution should remove the oxide layer if this is the cause.
In my childhood I used to varnish the coins as the varnish can be removed. The only problem is it either worked or if there was a gap then the oxidation would be very localised.
I suspect any shielding would be to put a very thin layer of some protective material on the finished coin.
I attest, the latest RCM coins, 2018 and beyond are OK. The Royal Mint(UK) however is still quite problematic. I have Royal Mint 2020 coins that have milk spotted. Perth Mint coins are still the best. My silver Koalas and Kookaburras are perfect. No spots even after 3 or 4 years.
Perth Mint coins don't milk-spot?
It’s such a shame that they just now figured out this mint shield technology if it really does prevent milk spotting now - but the reason I say that is because they make such beautiful coins... and 2017 and before are all spotting that’s so much coinage it makes me cringe!!! Great video bro your killing it and I’m learning a lot from watching you. You are one of the main inspirations for my channel. Keep doing what your doing bro your gonna go far my friend!
Lakehousebeach thanks a lot my friend I appreciate it! 🔥🐉
Interesting info. I had to go through my silver the other day and didn't notice any milk spotting on anything. I guess I've been lucky so far. Thanks again and take care.
Clayton County History Hound yeah that is great and thanks a lot! 🔥🐉
What kind of climate do you live in? Is your home air dried by constant air conditioning amd heating? I'm curious if maybe humidity is the cause. I doubt Air Tite coin capsules are actually air tight like a true vacuum sealed container. I think they're mostly physical protection and offer limited protection from atmospheric conditions like humidity and oxygen.
Maybe the plastic capsules that Canadian mint use are reacting with the silver when there is temperature variations? Not all plastics are the same. BTW, a clean white rubber will get rid of milk spots.
Probably added a small amt of baking soda during the refining process to bring the acidity at some level back to 7. (Neutral). Refined out with water at a further stage.
I'll just stick with the ASEs man! Cool video!
Bruce Liggett yep that’s what i’m doing this year for sure!!! 🔥🐉
First, it's the cleaning process. They along with MANY mints used the same detergent on their coins. The Special feature is to do with the lazer etching with the maple leaf. I buy tonnes of these and will buy from anyone over spot. I love milky coins!!!!
jonrms you like em for melting? 😏🔥🐉
@@SilverDragons47 yep!!!! I keep buying them and paying over spot because others paid alot for what is now junk or scrap silver
Put moisture absorbent bags where you store your coins that will help some.
Maple leaf are terrible for milk spots you are spot on.
I actually try and find people who will sell me milked maples because of the price and i love em.
I was wondering what caused the milk spotting, I didn't read very much but the jist of what I read was it had to do with what they used to clean or prep the planchet. So, some type of cleaning agent or oil that would contaminate the coin as it was struck I guess? Kind of surprising they waited so long to correct it, maybe they had a deal with a company providing them the solution that they didn't want to back out of. Lol
Took him 8 minutes to say just buy coins that don't get milk spots...not how to actually prevent them. What a waste of time on this video. Title is misleading and he talks too much before he gets to the point, which was useless.
My Britannias all have milk spots after I took them out from the tube. I did not wear gloves so I believed it can be prevented with proper handling. But since I'm stacking in lieu of the crashing monetary system, I guess the spots doesn't matter
I have two boxes of 2017 maples with no milk spots but I have some American eagles that do!
I watched a video of a guy who cleaned the milk spotting by using a white eraser. Supposedly it leaves micro scratches but it erases the milk spots and will be good for run of the mill stacking.
I have some 2021s maple leaves, all around the edges there are milk spots (on the sides). That mint shield stuff doesn't seem to extend into the edges/sides
I think of alkaline solutions, like caustic soda or ammonia solution.
My "peregrine falcon" is going to be tested with ammonia cleaning.
The borax removal is interesting to try at least.
You cannot prevent milk spotting from infected planchets. The only way to eliminate milk spotting is to take great care in the cleaning process at the plant. All my silver coins from Australia, South Africa, Austria, and the UK all dated post 2020 have significant milk spotting. My few Silver Eagles are over ten-years-old and exhibit milk spotting. I do have a couple newer Silver Eagles that do not exhibit milk spotting-yet. I have several Silver Maples--all post 2018. I have to give the RCM kudos, as not one milk spot is evident. So from my small sample size, only the RCM has greatly reduce (maybe eradicated) the milk spotting issue. I cannot comment on the US Mint's current procedures, as I have not have enough Silver Eagles (due to the premium) to ascertain their cleaning procedures.
I thought milk spotting was from borax or something being accidentally “baked” into the metal at the mint, nothing to do with what happens after it leaves the mint. What I’ve learned and thought...
That's kind of why I buy poured silver cuz i'd be mad about milk spots. Going to buy ASE's, Morgan's, and constitutional silver cuz they don't really milk spot. Great vid bro🐉👍
Split Spade yep you will never see a milk spot on constitutional that’s for sure!! 🔥🐉
ASE milkspots ocassionaly but not badly
What effect does humidity have on silver bullion coins and rounds? What is best way to store long-term? Tubes?
Where is the info on "preventing" ?!
I remember an old trick I read about used to protect steel tools. Put a bit of camphor into the tool box. The coating would protect the tools from rusting. Perhaps it prevents silver oxidation too?
I feel I wasted a lot of time watching this as there was no discussion on how to actually PREVENT milk spotting on coins you already own. The title of the video is misleading.
I've figured out that you can use desiccant to reduce the chance of milk spotting or vacuum sealing them when they are bought
@@lunarsoles I’m sure that doesn’t even work as it’s to do with the minting process itself
Exactly what I was thinking
I guess I have just been very lucky. I have about twenty. I would say 5-6 before 2017 and the rest after. They all have been in airtight’s except the last 4-5 have been in plastic roll containers for a month or so.
I was always told the milk spots on the maples were because the mint didn't get all their cleaning solution off the coin before it went in the oven. I only have 5 regular maples & 4 reverse proofs and I immediately put them in a 38mm Airtite and I never seem to get any.
I have an American Silver Eagle that I bought in 2015. It came in a capsule and I have never removed it, but it is almost entirely clouded over now. I live in a coastal area with frequent marine layers and high humidity, and I don't have air conditioning (and very rarely use heating) to dry the air in my home. I suspect moisture is the cause of the milk clouding.
2 oz queens beast has issues with milk spots - even the 2020 white horse has issues. Falcon, Griffin, Dragon, all have milk spots. Sealed them all upon their arrival in air tite capsules.
I am only buying 2018 and up maples. I have personally seen some Philharmonics milkspot but that's about it. Never had a problem with Scottsdale products.
Michael Whitt nice yeah the 2018 and later should be better... phil’s do spot good point 🔥🐉
I got a tube of 2014 maples for basically spot and they dont have any spots yet.
venictos wow that is awesome!!! 🔥🐉
Although any coin may develop milk spots, it is the coins from the Canadian Mint that are most likely to develop them. I stopped buying modern RMC coins despite the very beautiful designs.
Silver Saver hopefully they figured out how to stop it! 🔥🐉
I dropped some old silver coins into baking soda and vinegar and it cleaned them right up.
Milk spotting in Silver bullion acts as a good security feature that it is real Silver.
Could be some kind of polishing compound. Like in jewelry they use all different polish methods to get different results.
Would milk spots migrate from one coin to the next in a tube?
If milk spotting is a thing just like tarnish, i don't see any reason why ppl should be worried about it, that just tells me its real and pure. I personally can care less, its not like im wearing as jewelry. Cuz at the end of the day silver is silver.
You can clean up your silver with silver cleaner you can buy it from jewelry store.
I saw a video using boiling water and a little baking soda when the water cools down enough you can lightly rub so as not to scratch the surface then rinse in clean water and dry.
Deterioration of the stampings over time is part of my reasoning for not having many numismatic coins. I do have a few constitutional numismatics mostly to cover birth years of my relatives. Then one series that I am attracted to the stamping. Honestly it is the one of a kind art work of pours that I find more personally satisfying. Compared to repeated art of a stamping. Do you want a print or an original?
Prevent milk spotting by not buying them? Genius. Wow.
Interesting, thanks for the useful tips!
Tom Lee you got it thanks for watching!! 🔥🐉
Would spraying the coin with a light gun-oil spray to keep them sealed from air help coins from spotting
Perth mint quality is great
Silver is silver is silver
To "prevent" milk spots on RCM Silver Maple leaves only buy ones minted after 2017.
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Novus Stacker lol let’s do it again for sure 😏🔥🐉
"Wright's Silver Cleaner and Polish Cream" will remove 90% of the milk spots,I tested it myself on several occasions. Find it on Amazon.
Got a bunch of 2018’s with milk spots brotha. ASE’s for me only.
Silver Surfer ugh that’s a bummer but yeah ASE rock! 🔥🐉
Easy fix Sell the silver and buy gold
I love maples and Canada coins, ill take them spotted or not!!
why is someone opposed to a cleaned coin? micro scratches?
Just use an angle grinder. Takes the milk spots right off. 😁
Milk spotting happens, at the point of production, not much can be done. Some coins are better than othes
I only came across a video on milk spotting last night i hadtnt heard of it before im only stacking 6 months, my solution is to buy canadian maple leafs after 2018 from that year onwards those coins dont get milk spots 😉
Poorly Cleaned Minted Coins - will Milk Spot easily.
It’s Supposedly the residual Die Compound left on minted coins that isn’t completely cleaned off, that causes spotting.
So, Capsulated or Not, those Can Spot eventually.
I bought a 10 oz RCM bar. Took it out of the plastic mint wrap, immediately put it in an air tite capsule. I do this with all my bars. In 2 months it is horribly spotted. It is good for nothing but melt now. Have tubes of 15 & 16 Maples, horrible. i will never buy RCM again.
I have 2018 with Milkspots.....actually it has the worst rating in Milkspots since then.
I have new ones . 2023 . All of them are perfect.
i have some from 2013 so far so good..
those milk spots are from their spilled molsons!!
Molson is American. Has been for a long time
lol
Just to point out, bullion coins are the lowest 'quality' units and only have intrinsic or 'spot' value. The blanks are not microscopically inspected for surface flaws and are machine fed for the pressing and banged out at high quantities per hour so milk spot shouldn't really affect the intrinsic value. Proof coins on the other hand are blanks that are specially selected and fed into the press by hand and struck more times at lower speed and force so they not only have the intrinsic but also can gain more value as a collectable . Then I would not want any flaws or milk spotting on the coin if I've paid above the spot price plus premium plus numismatic value. Most bullion coins are just for re melting. Hope most would agree with me....(?)
A bit of 3in1 oil maybe? Just like oiling your tools to stop them rusting.
Try rubber. It helps a lot for milk spots also for fingertips. Dont use it for collection coins
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If you’re Silver stacking, it doesn’t matter if it’s milk spotted or not. If and when you sell your only going to get spot price+ at the time. It just like buying culls, your just buying to sell years down the road when silver price goes up.
Joseph George yeah I just don’t like the milk spots 🔥🐉
All I know is they must be kept dry and away from any moisture of any kind. I keep all my coins in with a lot of desiccant and never see the issue. Occasionally I will see it in stock I have bought for melt and they have been laying around in a cardboard box. Airtite quality is another issue. Some come apart easily while others need to be nearly destroyed to get them apart. We are held at ransom on that one eh. I can see fingerprints on some of these. OIL AND WATER = ACID. Take care when handling. Good post bud. I hope our mint shares the new technology. PS, , , We call it "SNOW TONING" LOL.
Tomoko's Enterprize lol snow toning that is awesome! 😁🔥🐉
Great Advice. Keep it up!
I have three 2021 Perth Super Pit coins. All have milk spots. Not happy.
How did I know you werent going answer the question on the title of this video?
I have a roll of these from 2012 through 2014, worst quality of all. Disappointing the RCM had such low quality control. My Mexican Libertads and American Eagles NEVER have this problem. Only from the Canadians. Ruined some of my coins, vowed never to Buy another Silver maple.
A white school eraser will often remove it.
Great presentation!
I just bought a 100' 2024 Maples and a dozen of them have milk spotting??!
I just bought a sealed and graded American eagle West Point mint and it has a small white dot on one side and small tone spot on other half of coin face. Kinda frustrating!!!
There were tons of complaints about Perth Mint coins years ago, especially for the kangaroos. They have tried hard to fix the problem. I certainly hope so. I have purchased 100 ounces of silver kangaroos over the last 6 weeks, so they better not spot! heh
How did they age? I have heard from others that they used to be horrible
@@jasper-hr8yn Glad you asked me that. It gave me an excuse to look 🙂 They look fine, although I only checked the first 8-10 coins of each capsule.
@@lamentate07 good to hear! Thanks for the response :)
I believe it is somthing to.do with their washing of their planchets
I have a tube of these babies no spotting. :)