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- From his goal scoring record to the quality of his opposition, HITC Sevens examines 7 arguments often used against Brazilian legend Pele and looks to give a more honest and fact-based account of one of the greatest footballers to have ever lived.
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NOTE: Just to clarify, since there seems to be some confusion, the point of this video is not to say that Pele is the greatest player of all time. The point is simply that he is undoubtedly one of the greatest, and to call him a fraud is patently absurd, that's all! The video has nothing to do with Messi, Maradona or anyone else for that matter. Peace and love, UA-cam friends. ✌🏽👍🏽
HITC Sevens haters may post rubbish here, but this is a great list. We all can disagree with who is the greatest of all time, myself included, however no doubt that pele is in that conversation. Before ronaldo and messi it was he and maradona. Just because we now in the era of those two, doesn't mean that we should dimiss pele as a so called fraud, which makes me laugh. Keep up the good work
This video is incredible, thank you.
You should do "why garrincha is the most underrated player ever"
Trump isn't insane
+Mr Popo: People all over the world know who Garrincha was, I wouldn't call him overrated.
Vasco da Gama defeated Real Madrid in Paris 4 x 3 (with Di Stefano and Puskas) in 1957. How can someone says Brazilian league was weak?
Ivan Malanquini because new age “fans” live in an era where they watch one league (usually the PL) plus champions league and some derby elsewhere. They have no idea about world football, specially anything before the year 2000. Much less about how great South American teams were up to the early 90s
Internacional beat Ronaldinho's Barcelona wonder team in the Club World Cup 2006 and still people only have eyes for europe soccer
The was an incredible win from beyond the grave.
And Corinthians, managed by Tite, beat Chelsea with ALL their starters in the Club World Cup in 2012 years later 1-0 with Paolo Guerrero as the lone scorer in the match...
Actually there are many examples of South American clubs beating European clubs until the 1980's. Before money played a bigger role in football, the sides were more leveled. Most of south-american talents stayed in their domestic leagues. The problem started when European clubs started to get richer and richer so they could pay way higher wages and sign any south american player that slightly stand out. Now the best south american players leave the continent before completing 23 years old and reach their career top form playing in Europe.
Now just try to imagine the best South American players still in their homeland. Club football right here would be as strong as in Europe.
I hate when people say stuff like "latin american or brazillian clubs were weak" when in a reality the Intercontinental Cup was very balanced between European and Latin american clubs (with a slight advantage to the Libertadores winners). That idea is very anachronic, people only think that because of the state of football today. Very centralised in European clubs, but back in the day things were way more balanced.
yes, ignorance breeds terrible mistakes and injustice
Petit to play in latinoamerica you need balls. Especially on 60's or 70's. I can't imagine a player of the today surviving againts Peñarol on El Centenario on the 60's. Pele did and won a Copa Libertadores.
And he had many opportunities to leave Santos too. He didn´t leave because he loved Santos.
Even nowadays, sometimes the south american teams play very balanced matches against european ones and sometimes they beat them. Back in the day there wasn't such a huge financial difference, so indeed it's a pretty dumb thing to say and probably people that say this kind of stuff don't even watch libertadores or national championships
More than that, Campeonato Paulista while having 4 major teams, had at least one more team, Guarani, which won the national cup once back when brazilian teams were actually the finest in the world.
The state of São Paulo in Brazil is as big in territorial size and populace as most European countries and it's regional cup's talented pool was not smaller than the european countries of similar sizes.
What people fail to grasp about brazilian football is: We've got at least 12 clubs who fancies themselves "major" clubs nationally, each one of them with plenty of laurels and plenty of feats. Even decadent teams, such as Botafogo (my team), whose case is very weak as of late, can still can muster at least 3 all-star players of football's history of the sport in Garrincha, Nilton Santos and Jairzinho, with plenty more whose names shall not be forgotten, such as Zagallo, Didi, Carlos Alberto Torres, Heleno dos Santos, Amarildo and more.
You forgot one of the most recurring arguments: idiots claiming again and again that "Pelé scored most of his goals when the offside rule didn't exist" without knowing that the offside rule existed long before Pelé was even born and that it was actually redefined through the years to make it less punishing and allow more goals to be scored, It was actually more punishing when Pelé player and even more punishing before Pelé. The offside rule, softened down as we know it today, dates back only to 1990.
Add to that the fact that defenders could break him time and time again during games without too much worry as yellow and red cards didn't exist back then (they were introduced on his last world cup), you have a pretty rough environment for attackers unlike today's football.
I'm not saying he's the GOAT, I'll keep that my opinion on who is the GOAT to myself as I just don't want to argue with fanboys of every other player, but the fact that he was one of football greats is undeniable.
Lol what? People think the offside rule didn't exist?
Smh
right, the stupidity and ignorance of many who pass judgment is amazing, and right, the offside rule is now easier for attackers, who also get much more protection from ruthless fouls like the ones which ruined Pelé's 66 world cup
It was fair them because no reds and no offside a player could have slaughtered him down and nothing bad would have happened to him and even with no offside defenders kmew where he was and stayed on him even more inches really couldnr be notcied back then
Also he was the reason they came with the cards and allowing two players being replaced. It all because after England W Cup the only thing opponents did not use to stop him was a gun . He left England saying he would never play another W Cup ;FIFA could not let it happen
stk2521 62 was his best year and if he played the rest of that World Cup then people would never argue. He was 17 years old doing things in a World Cup and World Cup final people could only dream of doing in a life time. Such skills and grace and such a wonderful touch. I'm sure if Zico, Maradona, Di Stefano and Pele worked with modern systems they would destroy it as well as the records. People tried to be like Pele the world over and were coached with him as the main focus of inspiration including the greats like Zico and Maradona. People tried to be like him. Pele never wanted to be anyone else including other Brazilian greats. He was considered the greatest in the greatest teams even as a teenager. People who say otherwise are just biased or ignorant.
The brazilian government declared pelé a national treasure preventing him from being transferred to foreign teams
Damn those New York Cosmos breaking Brazilian law! ;)
@@NostalgiNorden well cosmos had to get the u.s. Secretary to create the diplomatic arrangements with Brazil.
I mean...that in any context any era is mental. When a superpower's foreign diplomats are involved in the movement of football player is unreal.
@BorrieBeats Bruh this man stopped a civil war in Africa just so they could stop fighting for a bit to watch him play. Like wtf that’s literally legendary
Frarmer league's treasure! Fraud Pele
Julker Nyne greatest league in the world at the time treasure pele
People gotta stop looking for the best player of all time - it's very difficult to scale greatness when it comes to football. Many people don't even take defenders and GKs into consideration when it comes to picking their GOAT. What are your criteria? Goals? Consistency? Prime? GKs will almost never score a goal in their career but they'll be the most consistent.
As HITC has done already, it's better to pick the best players for each position. Each position has its own criteria and you're therefore able to at least do that.
And: heskey scored more goals for England than pele did.
A. Y but pele won 3 world cups and score 80 times in 100 appearances, usually the goat is not a defensive player /gk because it's way hard to play upfront, when your playing with your friends who do you pick first? The keeper or the crossforward that will carry you? Don't get me wrong, it is very important roles but the attackers are always the most skilled players in the squad
ay, I put beckenbauer into consideration and he was a defender. still think pele GOAT
Pele played for Brazil
You should do "why garrincha is the most underrated player ever"
Club de Fútbol
It lasted for 2-3 seasons. He may not be the best dribbler (debatable) but he is the father of dribbling
agreed nobody pays attention to garrincha but he was amazing
Perfect! For me garrincha is one of the best players ever, but with no media
Garrincha is way better than Ronaldinho and maradona lol, he invented the term "drible" or tackle in english
If you take into account the aesthetics and joy of the sport, Garrincha is the greatest of all time.
I think the biggest factor in Pele greatness is they had NO RED CARDS when he played and he was targeted and brutalized in many big games because he was so dominant. How would Messi or Maradona do under those conditions?
How? Score 500 offside goals and the rest in your back yard
@@cynggory4173 Yay, another idiot that has no argument, no data, no knowledge so he decides to repeat a meme. Its sad that you can't talk about football on the internet without a bunch of mindless idiots start repeating the same memes over and over.
The offside rule existed back then, come on find a better diss
@cynggory4173 the offside rule existed and "his backyard" could curbstomp a good majority of the European clubs at the time, even some of the great ones.
@@cynggory4173 you are a liar. or just uninformed. Pelé played under even stricter offside rules back then
Just to be clear, until the 90's the rivalry in the regional championships were stronger than in the national championships here in Brazil, most of the clubs prioritized these leagues rather than "more important leagues" like the national cups or even the continental one ! So the quality of these leagues were extremely high (at least São Paulo's and Rio de Janeiro's leagues)!
This is nothing but just a sign of frustration shown by the anti Peles....so funny! Why do he need to play for the European clubs? While he already won 3x World Cup n time after time the European clubs were beaten by Pele...!!
As a Brazilian it really annoys me that people think our league and teams are weak. They are not. Until the 80's Brazilian clubs were actually far superior than Europeans.
Brazil had the best league in the world during the 60's and 70's.
Saying Pele isn't the greatest because he didn't play in Europe is the stupidest argument I've even heard.
CR7 isn't fit to lace Pele's boots.
@@lonestar6709 yeah but how you gonna say pele is the greatest if you never watched him play.... like wtf dont lie and say you watched him play and call him the greatest.
Yea that’s why scored up to 10 goals in one match
@@spaceya1588 just because you're a 13 year old that's never seen them play don't assume the rest of us here on UA-cam are the same
Idiots think that
As a late 50's person, Pele gave me more WOWS than any other player. Cruyff gave us the "Cruyff turn", Messi gave us the 5 yd burst and curling goal, Ronaldo gave us power in free kicks and headers, but for me, it's like Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods. Great records, but one is oozing class, not Woods, not Maradona. 1000 goals? Forget it. Just remember his magic !
At 17 yrs of age the second best scorer in a world cup can anybody argue with that👍
Fontaine still holds the record for a single world cup, Pelé didn't play the first two games then was magnificent
jeffin joseph also he debut with santos at 15
Tostao, Jair, Gerson, Rivelino.... I would’ve won a word cup too with those players next to me
^not the point. He was the second best scorer in the world cup at age 17, his accolades speak for themselves, and he deserves to be considered one of the greatest of all time.
Scoring 3 gols on semi final and 2 on final.
And he was just a promisse that time...
I always get a kick when people say all those matches against European clubs were just glorified friendlies and shouldn't count towards anything. I always wonder whether those who say that ever played competitively in any sport. As a player, if I was going up against the "best ever" I would come up with my A game. To think that players who worked so hard to get to the top of the mountain by playing professionally would just phone it in when they get a once in a lifetime opportunity to match up against one of the greatest ever is simply ludicrous.
Eveyone please send this video to football daily and especially patrick van straaten who thinks most players are shit...
Maybe the best CDM but not the best midfielder overall. IMO either De bruyne, David silva, kroos or modric are the best
Pelé the Hedgehog kante is a better cdm and modric or kroos is the best midfielder
Kante is not really a cdm. He is more a box to box midfielder who is exceptionally good at winning the ball
The Majestic Sasquatch Kante is not better than Busquets
MetroStar Kante is not even a cdm
Brazilian here. My dad used to watch Pele's games live, in the stadium. He was a professional football player, a central back, played in few small clubs in Brazil and when I told him "Pele was not that great", he made me sit with him and watch a few documentaries and videos of his goals and performances, telling me about the games he saw too.
Since that day I never even though of saying that again. Pele was ahead of his time, he was at the top of his physique, he had a tactical knowledge and game vision that a few had in that decade. He was a poacher, a classic 10, a striker and a winger, playing at the top of his game in every position.
He was one of the greatest, if not the greatest player of all time, for sure.
Trying to be funny and creative ha
Is it??
@@ihatemessi3271 y so?
@@ihatemessi3271 I mean, being football player in that time wasn't really great since it payed like shit ( it's an exaggeration I know) , but there is even a great player ( Socrates ) that was also a doctor to compensate.
I always go for Pele whenever I watch these compilations of the usual suspects (Pele Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi) because 75% of his games were not recorded which means that his compilations videos (all his dribbling and skills sequences) are drawn from only 25% of the competitive games he ever played in, yet his compilation videos are the most impressive of all.
So many clips of his amazing dribbles actually lead to amazing goals (as opposed to dribbles that didn't go anywhere) and his greatest ever goal (against Juventus in 1959) is one of those that are not featured in any of his compilations video because it was not recorded. How many more great skills and goals did he score in the 75% of games that were not taped??... we can only imagine.
The very first clip 0.16, where he stops the ball, draws two players on to him and then flicks it through his legs and leaves them both for dead, is up there with the best skills ever seen on a football field (which he did in a game against Russia, played in Soviet Russia in 1963).
By the time you get to Maradonna in the 1980s up to 90% of his competitive games are recorded, and as for Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi, every single competitive game they have ever played is on tape.
In other words, the best thing Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi ever did in a competitive game of football are in their compilation videos... This cannot be said about Pele.
You are true. Only one of the greatest, not the GOAT, because Messi is the GOAT. PERIOD!!!
The yellow and red card didn't exist in that time . Chile 62 and England 66 was a butchering against Pelé . It was in Mexico 70 were cards system started .
*roasted Football Daily*
I hate football daily. It's just clickbait
@@calteckk they get a lot of things just wrong that for sure
Also, Raymar Football
About a couple years ago, I used to watch a lot of football daily. However ever since I saw in how many lists they called Pele a fraud and overrated, I stopped watching them. Now having watched a lot of your channel, I can eAsily say that yours is a far far better and more informative channel.
Thank u for respecting PEle's legacy so much!!!!
Thanks Akash.
👍👍
I always go for Pele whenever I watch these compilations of the usual suspects (Pele Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi) because 75% of his games were not recorded which means that his compilations videos (all his dribbling and skills sequences) are drawn from only 25% of the competitive games he ever played in, yet his compilation videos are the most impressive of all.
So many clips of his amazing dribbles actually lead to amazing goals (as opposed to dribbles that didn't go anywhere) and his greatest ever goal (against Juventus in 1959) is one of those that are not featured in any of his compilations video because it was not recorded. How many more great skills and goals did he score in the 75% of games that were not taped??... we can only imagine.
The very first clip 0.16, where he stops the ball, draws two players on to him and then flicks it through his legs and leaves them both for dead, is up there with the best skills ever seen on a football field (which he did in a game against Russia, played in Soviet Russia in 1963).
By the time you get to Maradonna in the 1980s up to 90% of his competitive games are recorded, and as for Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi, every single competitive game they have ever played is on tape.
In other words, the best thing Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi ever did in a competitive game of football are in their compilation videos... This cannot be said about Pele.
Pfffff raymar footballs arguments are more solid than this fanboi bias
@@cynggory4173 You mean raymar's manipulation
Pele is the reason we talk about being a "No.10"
exactly
Pele dribbled when a foul was a foul. He dribbled when there was no space. He scored when the goal was covered. And won like there was no losing. You did him some justice with this clip. Remember, the ball was made from leather, the pitch was real grass, the goal was smaller, and back tackle was allowed.
Plymouth Argyle beat Santos 3-2 in 1973 with Pele scoring a penalty.
This isn’t an argument against Pele, just something interesting as I am an Argyle fan
Greatest team the world has ever seen, Plymouth Argyle?
Tyrion Lannister that's crazy haha. To bad Argyle isn't there creating world beaters anymore
Tyrion Lannister boring
YES ARGYLE
1973 pele was past his Peak
In my opininon people that says pele is overated is "trying to be cool" by not liking a legendary player, this is just my opinion 😊
I think most football fans go through that phase of questioning the older greats, I don't think it's anything too worrying. They just need to do some research and watch some footage and just appreciate what's in front of them instead of questioning everything. They might be able to form a better opinion that way.
some are ignorant and follow misinformation
There is some truth in that. American media went overboard with Pele, probably, to build more support for football in US. He is still one of the greatest and probably second greatest of all time behind Maradona.
Riju Nirmal It's all a game of opinions really, it's a shame just how overboard some people can go with their opinion. The Messi vs Ronaldo debate is a fine example of that, some fans can't begin to appreciate that we have two of the greatest players of all time playing in the same era. They feel the need to pick a side.
Very few players dominated football for as long as Pele did and very few players peaked as highly as Maradona did. Just phenomenal players for two very different reasons.
Well in the past I was that "Messi fanboy" who argue Messi is the best buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut. *cough* Maturity *cough* and now I'm not that Fanboy. I mean I still support Barcelona and think Messi is one of the best. But not on that level.
Pele is not one of the best players ever, he is the best ever.
Nope. Messi is.
Messi is.
Cr7
@@chakdeuk cr7 isn't even top 10
Just watched this video - superb stuff. I think you've made a spectacular point. To be honest I don't believe there's such thing as a 'greatest of ALL time' because people saying that today about Cristiano or Messi are just simply disregarding the greatness that was Pele and Maradona and anyone else people think are great. Superb video mate!
Cheers TheThe Millions!
In my opinion it should be split up by generation. Pele and Maradona were some of the top players of that generation and I'm sure plenty of debates went on back then about them in the same way we argue about Messi and Cristiano. All four of these players were special, playing ahead of their time in ways others could not imagine then and now. That is why it goes without saying now that Messi and Cristiano are greatest of their time at the moment, in my personal opinion.
Julian Chavez and then some people may factor in Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Nazario De Lima etc etc. I don't think there can be a best ever player
@@TheThemillions true to some extent
I always go for Pele whenever I watch these compilations of the usual suspects (Pele Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi) because 75% of his games were not recorded which means that his compilations videos (all his dribbling and skills sequences) are drawn from only 25% of the competitive games he ever played in, yet his compilation videos are the most impressive of all.
So many clips of his amazing dribbles actually lead to amazing goals (as opposed to dribbles that didn't go anywhere) and his greatest ever goal (against Juventus in 1959) is one of those that are not featured in any of his compilations video because it was not recorded. How many more great skills and goals did he score in the 75% of games that were not taped??... we can only imagine.
The very first clip 0.16, where he stops the ball, draws two players on to him and then flicks it through his legs and leaves them both for dead, is up there with the best skills ever seen on a football field (which he did in a game against Russia, played in Soviet Russia in 1963).
By the time you get to Maradonna in the 1980s up to 90% of his competitive games are recorded, and as for Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi, every single competitive game they have ever played is on tape.
In other words, the best thing Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi ever did in a competitive game of football are in their compilation videos... This cannot be said about Pele.
In the comment section all I can see is people complaining about messi fanboys but I have not actually seen a single comment by a messi fanboy
Pessi fanboys are the shittiest. Pessi is the most overhyped player. Nothing else
That's because they are ashamed to show themselves.
Brazil didn't allow Pele to leave and earn more money in Europe. They labelled him a national treasure.
Inter Milan was trying to sign him in the early sixties!
@@ronbonora7872 I didn't know that. I figured he would have gone to Benfica or Sporting Lisbon. Looking like he might pass soon!
I can see one difference between Messi, Maradona, Ronaldo, Cruyff and Pele.
A black player being one of the all time greats of the sport obviously rubs some people up the wrong way.
This is the dumbest claim I've ever seen. Ever.
What the hell is wrong with u it has nothing to do with race its judged on the quality of the player if someone gives me a valid argument on why hes better than messi cr7 or maradona I'll listen
@@chrismascarenhas1059 he is better than all of them because he was more dominant in his era. He was was indisputed the best player in his time and was a more complete player, maybe just no more complete than CR7. You can't use time as a excuse, 30 years from now, Massi and CR7 will still have been genius, as Pele was in his time.
@@medina2529 garrincha for many was the greatest ever dribbler of a football he is widely regarded as one of the greatest footballers to live especially by older fans thus pele was not undisputed
Think about how he would be treated in Italy in the 60's.
HITC Sevens is better than Football Daily.
Lol
Jose Olivares lol
That's for damn sure. HITC Sport is better as well. Come to think of it, what the hell does HITC stand for?
Hot take😂
LENNON SEOW def
I'm not understanding how anyone can call him a fraud.
You can argue that he isn't the best ever. Fine. But to say he's a fraud is ludicrous.
Because they are it takes a fraud to recognize frauds
He is not a fraud but definitely not the greatest as some people believe him to be
@Vitoloric pele would be a national league player nowadays. same for anyone from that era.
Vitoloric people keep forgetting that defenders in the old gen where ruthless like they can do hard tackle and to opponent theses days if you attempt a hard tackle it will be yellow card
@@skyvenom9123 thats true
RIP Legend 💚 Gone but not forgotten
Bout time to see a UA-camr who knows what they're talking about instead listening to drunk idiots who denigrate real legends
Jack Thompson dengarrte? Are you sure it's not you who are drunk and not the lads at FD?
Ben Coneybeare well it's Sunday and the suns shining
Jack Thompson I guess you only live once hahah
Ben Coneybeare you never spelled the word correctly. He made a true and valid point. Not sure if the rest of you understand words properly
Pele was great but not one of the greatest. For no apparent reason he overshadowed many of the Brazilian players at his time who played as good as he, that was his luck.
“The greatest player in history was Di Stefano. I refuse to classify Pele as a player. He was above that.”
Ferenc Puskas
“When I saw Pele play, it made me feel I should hang up my boots.”
Just Fontaine
“Pele was the only footballer who surpassed the boundaries of logic.”
Johan Cruyff
“I sometimes feel as though football was invented for this magical player.”
Sir Bobby Charlton
"The best player ever? Pele. Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are both great players with specific qualities, but Pele was better"?Di Stefano
While Lionel Messi is the best player in the world, Pele remains the greatest of all time. Franz Beckenbauer
"There's Pele the man, and then Pele the player. And to play like Pele is to play like God."
Michel Platini
"Pele is the greatest player in football history, and there will only be one Pele in the world."
Cristiano Ronaldo
you realize that those are all opinions right? nahh i doubt you know that.
black from the best in the world.What players what opinions!
Carl Rodgers what? look, they are opinions not fact regardless of who stated it it’s still an opinion and doesn’t make it a fact. if you deny this then i’m considered about your common sense.
@@black4403 😀
Guys hands down Pele is one of the best players ever
still the best
K. M TV No shit.
He's not one of but he IS the best of all time.
K. M TV Leigh griffiths is better
He is the best ever
I don’t think pele is a fraud just that his “over 1000 goals” line is misleading for marketing reasons.
King Caiser He did score well over 1000 goals. To write off goals Vs the top European sides just because they were "friendlies" (Most of the time, they were for small trophies like the Tournoi de Paris and the Teresa Herrera trophy) is stupid, even because the own European media would gloat over every time a European side managed to beat Santos. You just can't win. Beat European top sides and score loads of goals Vs them? Just friendlies. Lose the match? Now you're shit.
It’s the equivalent of calling the Harlem Globetrotters the greatest basket ball team of all time because they have won over 1000 games that were all friendlies. Only official goals count.
King Caiser he still scored 1000 no matter the argument made its people who are getting the factor wrong he counted every goal and international friendlies count when you score image if you scored a in one and didn't get tge goal because it wasnt a qualifier or a the world cup
So if I scored a 1000 goals in five a side games with my mates do they make me better then Pele. No only professional goals should count towards the total.
King Caiser did you just compare Santos to globetrotters and 5 aside game?
Saying that Messi, CR7 or Maradona (or any other player that played in more recent years) is better than Pele 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 based in the fact of the progression of the sport is rubbish. It would be the same thing to say that J. J. Abrahms is a better director than Orson Welles because he knows more techniques and the "cinema is better nowadays". You have to evaluate things in context and measure importance and influence to its evolution
Petit nope,see u dont get it pele was a great player but not bettter than messi or ronaldo not due to the progession of sport but nowadays there r so many new rules added than before which limits the game and now teams have to oay over a 1000mill to buy a gpod player, the fact is that messi and ronaldo hardwork strugggke and success (excluding internationally)cant be matched by peles btw there was the european cup that was dominated by real madrid so why didnt pele move to europe and joined barca or juve e.t.c to compete and take over and at that time the brazilian league wasnt competitive at all all the good players of brazil DIDNT play in brazil,most played in the top flight at europe(srry for spelling errors)
Leo 33 how old are you?
there is a widespread problem with valuing the recent over past greats across culture- a lot of it is based on ignorance.
Leo 33 That's bs my friend. You had more Latin American clubs winning the Intercontinental Cup (aka World club Cup of the time) than European clubs from the '60 to '00. Real Madrid had a good run in the Champions '50 (before the Intercontinental cup were created), from 60-00 they won 5 times the campions, and they lost to Latin American countries 2 times. Against Peñarol in '66 and Boca Juniors in '00. Real got 3 Intercontinental Cups tied to Boca, Peñarol and Nacional do Uruguay and Milan.
You're the type of people who thinks football started yeasterday and were the same 50 years ago the same way he is nowadays.
Leo 33 Look at the numbers (in the "by country" section), Brazil is tied with Spain in Club World Cup titles. Brazilian clubs had more titles in the past and Spanish clubs (Real, Barcelona and Atletico, the 3 only big spanish teams) got more titles in recent years. But you see that the latin clubs are very present. European clubs only won more titles in recent years.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_champion_football_clubs
Great video; i was one of the people whom believed Pele was overrated, a man can only admit when he is wrong.
Savage Cabbage his Brazil teammates were brilliant and they were beat side ever but pele was there best player. I’ve watched quite a bit of old football and his teammates were obviously excellent none stood out more than pele. This is proved by the fact that pele is considered at least top 5 of all time by most average foootball fans whereas most average football fans don’t even know who the likes of Carlos Alberto and zito and even Jairzinho were. That shows how much he stands out.
@Savage Cabbage Just stop bro, this gotta be the dumbest comment I've ever seen on UA-cam
@Savage Cabbage How is the goat overrated? Have you ever played in a world cup match, much less to go 3-0 in the finals? I don't think so, so quit hating on the guy and give him the credit he deserves because he's not the best, I agree with that, he's the greatest of all time, both past and present.
@Savage Cabbage That's all you have to say? Ok, name somebody better than him. Please don't say Messi because he currently is 0-1 in the World Cup Finals and that's no damn 🐐
@Savage Cabbage I disagree, but how can Messi and Ronaldo be on the same level as Pele when neither has ever won the world cup? This is like saying that LeBron James having 0 championships is better than Michael Jordan who has 6 rings and went 6-0 in the finals. By the way, I know that LeBron has 3 rings but I said 0 to prove a point. It just doesn't add up.
Pele was the best for his time end of. He was ahead of his time like Maradona. Different time periods hard to compare. He won 3 world cups so he is the WC king
club de futbol, zagallo won two world cups as a player and the other 2 as head coach. so not wc king.
club de futbol, we are talking about playing not coaching as well in which case pele is the boss.
No. Pelé was a top player his time throughout 20 years, yes. He was over this period the most constant one, but arguably not the best -- and certainly not "ahead", ahead of what? If you mean his play and skills, well Garrincha was that, and prior to Pelé! In his Selecao, where he won three WC titles he was never the undisputed best player (Didi WC1958, Garrincha WC1962, (1966), and only here Pelé WC1970 where Jairzinho was considered the better and driving force of the Selecao 1970 by many teammates and experts). Also he was never the essential figure in his team, nor a leader (as for example Jairzinho in the WC1970!!). "Just" a great player, yes. One of the best of his generation, yes. And also easily not the greatest football player -- just to start with, simply because he was not even better than his teammates on the big stage, nor the driving force or indispensable for the achieved success.
If Pele were not the greatest player of all time, we would not be debating if he was a the greatest or a fraud fifty years after he was playing.
These days trolling became a culture, almost a way of life. People seem to have pleasure dismissing and ridiculing established names in every field of life, being sports, music, politics, writing, acting etc. Just for the fun of it. I find it petty and sad. It usually comes from folks who are too small to produce anything of value for themselves, and try to diminish other people's accomplishments as a way to compensate their own insecurity and lack of talent.
Pele was a football genius, that is unquestionable by anyone who knows the sport. Too bad his best moments were in a time when filming was difficult and limited, so we don't get to see most of his matches and goals. We'd be thrilled, to say the least. He just turned 80 and deserves all respect and admiration as the athlete he once was and the person he is now.
Tribes and societies without grudgers were lemmings and didn't survive
Bro's a puppet for The corrupt fifa and has a narcissistic personality. Fuck Pele. He might have been a fantastic player but as a person he's too much up his own ass.
Pele 17 in 58 the first superstar in football. Cut the guy some slack.
In the Pelé era, the Brazilian league was the best in the world, they played in Brazil, around 60 world champions players and all Brazilian players played in Brazil.
Unfortunately football is eurocentric and many great Brazilian players are not recognized as: Zizinho, Jair da Rosa Pinto, Ademir da Guia, Leonidas da Silva, Didi, Canhoteiro, Coutinho, Pagão, Friedenreich...etc.
Pele played in a time, when there weren't a whole team of nutritional experts, fitness coaches, etc daily working with teams. He played in a time without hightech soccer balls and shoes. He played in a time when the forwards specially black forwards weren't protected.. he has been 100 of times fouled with critical injuries and ref did not even warned the defenders(Messi is today perfectly protected by new football rules). Pele also wan't in a designed team like Barcelona, Messi has the luxury to play in a time when million dollars teams like Barcelona can buy 11 top players just to serve Messis game...In an average team Messi is not such a game changer (Argentina 2006, 2010, etc, not even won the copa america)...Players like Pele or Maradona changed a game in any team..Pele with Santos, Brazil etc.. Maradona with Napoli and Argentina....Pele made Santos world club champion, Maradona made an average team like Napoli the winner of italian leageu..Pele won three world cup, Maradona almost alone weon the 1986 world cup..and what did Messi outside million dollar team Barcelona: ?????????
That's true but hes on a similar playing field to his opponents at his time so he is able to be compared to the rest
Messi achieved a lot if u wanna talk as individual. Messi has won everything his performance has been praised by many and he is a playmaker he influences the game he creates chances which are meant to be finished by the teammates coz he is a playmaker pele is without a doubt one of the greatest and so is messi u can say whatever u want but truth is messi has done everything he can for the team if they aint gonna finish his chances then he shouldn't be the one u criticize
Also maradona qualified because of his hand im glad messi didn't qualify becoz of that
And regarding the protection yes messi is protected but have u ever seen old el classicos would call playing against pepe protected? U talk as if he is never fouled and has never suffered
@@MrStonk-ps3er Messi lives in a time, when they have high-tech balls, heigh-tech shoes, high-tech foods, high-tech medicine and muscle training, he is protected by new Football rules and he is in a design team with best stars of the world..but outside Barcelona he achieved nothing..Pele played with heavy leather balls in a time where defender could break your legs (which few times happened to PELE). and Pele was in every team the game changer...with Santos he beat best European teams and eith Brazilian national team, he won 3 World cup and the 4th one he didnt won, cuz they heaviely injured him in 1966....any comments
@@MrStonk-ps3er Messi plays in times where we have high-tech balls, high-tech shoes, most advanced sport food, most advanced muscle and fitness training programms and with best protection rules for forwards and he is in a team which is a design team of world best stars, but as soon as he is outside Barcelona, he doesnt shine much..Pele played with heavy leather balls and in a time, where defenders broke your legs without any mercy...he has beaten best european teams with Santos and he won 3 World cup with Brazil, and he would have won his 4th world cup too, if he would not be heaviely injured by fouls in 1966...he was for almost 15 years world best player without any other star even close to him and he would have not retired in 1972, he could easiely remain world best players at least till 1976...any questions?
People who dont understand difference between fundamentals to play, skills and technique shouldnt be allowed to say those bullshit about Pele been overated . Pele was complete inside all aspects of the game he had more variety of shoting technique and he was always balanced to play making very wise usage of the fundamentals to play with both legs the shoting technique of his was superior to anyother player nowadays. I agree that Messi and Maradona has a superior skill set in comparison to Pele but technicaly speaking Pele was way better than them both, come one dude compare the weeker foot. I mean mararona or messy's right foot cant be compared with pele left foot thats just ridiculous ppl are dumb, blind or only haters thats how it is. I believe theres case to say Messy is overated though but that will definately depends on the way you're looking in to those aspects of the game Messy and Maradona are probably the most skillful players ever because in my opinion it doesnt matter if you have more skills its always how you use your skills in other words the skill set up is what is important and thats the reason I put Messy and Maradona on the same level as Pele in a overall perspective however if you look only at the technique you will notice that they are not in the level of Pele its just a simple case of understanding the difference between two different aspects of the game its depends on the point of view you're heading into it though.j
Good explication .
I agréé.
Finally, someone with some sense! Thank you for making this video!!
No problem, Larry.
Main reason: He s the ONLY human on planet earth with 3 world cups...PERIOD
Στέλιος Λαζαράκος H.E .D .I .D Not win 3, he won 2 he was injured in one
GameloverYT EXACTLY PELE IS CRAP
1. The World Cup was not as competitive as nowadays, there were 32 teams at that time. The same ones will always win the World Cup. Brazil and West Germany. Nowadays football is more competitive and even Nigeria or Switzerland can compete with them.
2. Tell me something so if Higuaín in the World Cup final of 2014 in Germany if he worried have scored, Argentina would have won the World Cup. And messi would win it also. So are we going to argue who’s the best player by some tournament that is every 4 years? Do 7 matches determine who’s the better player? Or do statistics and the way they play every week determine that? Messi and Ronaldo are better than Pele. I’m not saying Pele was bad, quite the contrary he was world class. But not as the same level as Messi and CR7.
@@andreiantonio2548 Messi and Cr7 are not half as good as Pele.
and in every single one of those he was never top scorer, and one of the time he got injured and dind't play
3:20 There is just one point to this nice video you posted. In the 60's most of Pele's goals were from the Regional Campeonato Paulista, and unlike you said. The paulista was actually the most difficult tournament bc they were the richest teams with the most structure , while northern teams in the national league were far less competitive, semi pro's.
Bahia defeated the Pelé's Santos in the 1959 Taça Brasil final 4-3, and teams like Fortaleza and Náutico reached Taça Brasil's finals and gave a hard time to teams like Palmeiras and Garrincha's Botafogo.
Santos de Pelé won only 2 Libertadores, due to the violence in South American football being much bigger than in Brazil. That is why the Brazilians gave more importance to the national championships. Just to see how many Brazilians have already beaten the Libertadores from 1992 to today, when São Paulo beat Barcelona and Milan in the intercontinental championship. Who says that Pelé made many goals in provincial championships, do not know the weight of these championships until the 1990s. Watch the balance of the Brazilian championship, try to understand more about the country of football and then try to argue about it. Pele was top scorer every year with many goals ahead of his competitors. Santos's Pelé stopped playing for the Libertadores to tour in Europe. Research the subject.
I always go for Pele whenever I watch these compilations of the usual suspects (Pele Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi) because 75% of his games were not recorded which means that his compilations videos (all his dribbling and skills sequences) are drawn from only 25% of the competitive games he ever played in, yet his compilation videos are the most impressive of all.
So many clips of his amazing dribbles actually lead to amazing goals (as opposed to dribbles that didn't go anywhere) and his greatest ever goal (against Juventus in 1959) is one of those that are not featured in any of his compilations video because it was not recorded. How many more great skills and goals did he score in the 75% of games that were not taped??... we can only imagine.
The very first clip 0.16, where he stops the ball, draws two players on to him and then flicks it through his legs and leaves them both for dead, is up there with the best skills ever seen on a football field (which he did in a game against Russia, played in Soviet Russia in 1963).
By the time you get to Maradonna in the 1980s up to 90% of his competitive games are recorded, and as for Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi, every single competitive game they have ever played is on tape.
In other words, the best thing Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi ever did in a competitive game of football are in their compilation videos... This cannot be said about Pele.
It's also worth mentioning that not only brazilian footballers were all based in Brazil, but also Argentine, Uruguayan and most other S.American footballers.
So when Santos beat some Argentine teams, they were also beating teams with their BEST players.
As a brazilian, i see you really did a great research job here, but you are incorrect when you say that 'campeonato paulista' was like a lower standard national league. Brazil is a continental sized country, and it means that only an anual national league wasn't (and it's not till today) enough to cover the whole country. Back into that time, the states of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro were by far the states with the most competitive league, and the major part of the strongest teams from the national league came from there. Actually, because of the regional rivalry, many of the teams from those states considered those regional leagues even more importants than the national one. So, I believe we could say that back into the 60's, those regional goals had the same importance of the ones scored nationaly
Eusebio is such an underrated player that not that many people talk about even though he was a animal.
Pelé ran the 100 meters in just 11 seconds.
I wonder what his price would be now if he was in his peek years and he was from England.
I think about 325 million
Nae-Nae Playz Let’s say Garincha is 150 mil, because we need to compare, right? Than Pele should be around 20, maximum 30 mil as a quality player who needs to support the great star. Which means he was very good player, like Cr Ronaldo and Higuain; like Messi and Cun Aguero. Both are great players, but they are not the best, but CR7 and Messi need them. So it is the same with Garincha and Pele.
LMAO 325 million 😂😂😂😂 OMG I’m dying you’re so funny
@@noahbalslevskjoldborg4445 maybe Messi is 325 million...Pele is 1 billion
Yh when he was 17
Pele would easily be the most expensive player of all time because when he was 17 he was already a deadly dangerous goalscorer
You changed my opinion on Pelé. Thank you so much.
Pele haters did you win a World Cup or 3 or athlete of the century
Or are you the first ever teenager to score in a World Cup final
Pele was undoubtedly one of the greats, but looks like Glenn Murray when you compare him with Steve McFreeze
What a player McFreeze was
LOL who the fuck are those guys?
@@sohelbashar6925 they are from Antarctica
Never liked football daily
GuiltyConscience ESN I unsubscribed from them when they started pushing their political views. Yes, we know the Tories aren't that great but I don't watch you to be preached to about who and who not to vote now.
Never liked pele
@@adrianag3086 never liked bastardlona dogs
@@sohelbashar6925 absolutely you roasted him
@@sohelbashar6925 I'm a barca fan and people like him are annoying th thank you for roasting him
Thanks for this, mate. In my opinion he is the best ever, and by some margin.
Finally someone that knows what they're talking about
Let's not get carried away. Ronaldo and Messi are pretty close
@@mobilegamingexpress7711 Yes, but neither of them has won a World Cup
@@mobilegamingexpress7711 Both of them are Pele's farts. They are not even close. Pele was number 10, but he defended, he was a center attacker, wing, used both feet, mastered the double jump in headers, he was even a gollie.
Some margin behind Messi yeah...
1. pele played with no offsides
Offside was made in 1886. In the old days you were offside when in font of the last 3rd last defenders.
2. Brazil had a stacked team and didn't need Pele for the 1958 world cup
A 17 year old injured Pele stats 1958 WC Ussr 1 assist, Wales 1 goal, France Hatrick in the semi final! and Two goals in the final vs sweden . Awarded the silver ball at 17 for the 1958 world Cup.
Brazil had never won a WC before Pele and it took them 26 years to win it after he retired.
3. Pele never played in Europe
The Brazilian league was arguably the best league in the world and brazilians only started moving en masse to europe in the 90s.
4.Pele only counted the goals scored in his dads backyard
Santos the defending champions of the league and south American champions league withdrew from both competitions to tour the world for reasons ranging from, paying for peles enormous wages and to prove to the world that they are the best. Pele was racking up more than 70+ appearances even a 100 appearances at one point those friendly appearances made him miss out on official goals and domestic medals.
5. Defenders were weak
tackles from behind was legal assault was legal red and yellow cards did not exist substitutions did not exist Bellini, Djalma Santos, Nilton Santos and Carlos Alberto, Bobby Moore, Franz Beckenbauer, Fachetti, pierluigi, Trapattoni, Burgnich and cesare maldini are not postmen.
6. Garrincha was the better player
Lol
7.Pele was Just a poacher
Pele role was the Ponte de Lanca Support striker/ Attacking midfielder his passing vision dribbling and football iq were akin to messi, maradona, cruyff he was the main creater for Brazil and santos.
8. Pele couldnt play in todays age
Pele at 50 yrs playing against Vanbasten etc ua-cam.com/video/xHpOujlENt8/v-deo.html
Football daily. Your turn
Death To capitailists Different league, different time, different football. Pele is not recognised as the goat because of his numbers, even though they aren't bad either.
Even though Pele was a striker, he was a very important key to make plays too. You mentioned Cruyff and even him says that Pele was the best.
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Watch Pelé Eterno a documentary that analyzes Pele technically in every single fundamentals of football and after you’ll understand why his is the GOAT stills today there are no players at the same level of skills in every single fundamental as he was.... great video.
Obviously Pele and Maradona are the greatest players of all time, with Pele ahead! Not only has football come a long way, but you have to remember it wasn’t half as easy as it is now! Balls back then used to be a pigskin stuffed with something, so you had to have a lot more skill to kick around a twenty pound ball, especially if it rained.
Pele is football he evolved the sport, he invented countless skills that players now master one of and get praised: pogba, kruyff, ronaldino, messi... I could go on and on. He was the first, he had no one to copy. Brilliant. Genius.
At the time (60s), Campeonato Paulista had Santos, São Paulo, Corinthians and Palmeiras, 4 great clubs. Nowadays, only Premier League can be proud to have 4 or more great clubs. Spain has 2, Germany has only one, France has not even one.
To say that defenders were anywhere near as good as they are now is absurd in my opinion.
Well said. IMHO Pele is GOAT.
Hey love your videos and what makes you unique is that you have stuck to the number 7 while most youtubers go for 10.... Good luck for your future
Thanks Shubham.
there is clip after clip of him dancing through defenders at pace with insane skill. if he played today he would be considered great
0:47 first reason straight away: Pelé was ripped and had a six pack at the time when players didn't pay any attenion to healthy lifestyle.
Pele went to the 1958 World Cup age only 17. He played in only four
games yet scored 6 goals and all the goals were scored in the last
three games. 1 in the Quater finals, 3 in the Semi Finals and 2 in
the finals too become the tournaments 2nd top goal scorer, runner up
only to Frances "Just Fontaine" who scored 13 goals (still a world cup
record). In other words he didn't score any goals in the group stage
(the easiest stage) where the tournaments leading strikers tend to score
most of their goals, he scored all of his goal in the three most
important, most demanding rounds of the most important competition in all
of world sport. Few if any will ever do that again and certainly not aged 17.
75% of Peles games were not recorded yet his compilation videos are as good
(arguably better) than compilation videos of his modern day rivials(
Ronaldo, Ronaldinio, Neymar, Messi and Maradona etc). Every competitive
games these modern plays have ever played are right there in those
compilations videos, their best goals, best skills best moments. Forget
75%, its likely that not even 5% of what they did on a professional
playing field has not been recorded. Unlike Pele, their compilation
videos tell the complete story, there's no missing footage (or at least
not much).
Today young players can study in detail the individual
moves of the greats and then practice them to perfection. Pele played
in an era when you had to learn football the hard way by picking up
footballing lessons here and there (in dribs and drabs).
Brazilian here. You did not get properly the weak brazilian teams factor correctly. Brazil has a national league, but back at Pele's time it almost did not exist. Opinions may differ, but the real Brazilian League started in 1967 with the strongest teams of the country playing against each other.
Most of Pele's goals were scored in the Regional league, against teams of Sao Paulo State area (Campeonato Paulista). This tournament is small today, but is was the main one from around 1910 to 1980. It would take 6 months or more each year.
Those teams from the regional league were poor and weak, exept for maybe 5 or 6 teams.
Its like if messi could play 70% of his games only against tems from the second division in spain.
Also he didnt play much against teams from south america as Libertadores Cup was not important for brazilian teams at that time.
But despite that, considering all the rest, he is the best player from the 60' onward. Because unfortunately we dont have many images of Puskas and Fredeireich.
garrincha was the best player in 60s
fun fact: anyone calling Pele a fraud is a young football fan, with immense recency bias
Anyone calling him a legend is a wannabe boomer who is high on nostalgia.
@@patrickdixon7202 Saying Pele is the GOAT is like saying shawshank redemption is the greatest movie of all time or coldplay is your fav band.
@@thenegotiator1630 Lol.
Good video, next you should do a video about how Messi is an actual fraud outside of his Barca system.
at least for us brazillians, the europe just became a target when we talk about football career in the 90's. An example is Romario, in 94 he won the best player of FIFA, won th 4th world cup for brazil and the ballon d'or (reviewed in 2015), all of that playing in barcelona. Insted of staying in barcelona and become a legend, he decides to come back to brazil at the height of his career.
(in 2000 real madrid has won the champions, and man united has won in 99. both of them gone to a championship with brazilian teams, both of them loose (with romario in one of the teams))
It is the same argument that a lot of Ronaldo fans make that messi wasn't tested in any other league.
"Pele did play in farmer's league".
This is BY FAR, the worst argument against Pele, simply because state-level tournaments in Brasil, throughout the 50s, 60s, and even late 80s were not weak, on the contrary, in fact, some of them (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul) were very strong.
First of all, Brazilian football was much stronger then, since almost all Brazilian players would remain in the country. Imagine if Neymar, Coutinho, Marcelo, Firmino, Casemiro, Gabriel Jesus, Paulinho, Thiago Alcantara, Thiago Silva played domestic. The 1958 team? All of them played locally. 1962 team? 1970 team? 1950 second place team? Yeah, you got it.
And I'm not talking only about first class players in Spain, England, Germany or Italy. Imagine if the hundreds of brazilian players in Portugal, Ukraine, Japan, Turkey, Russia were playing in Brazil. That was the situation until late 80s.
It's also important to notice that Brazil is a huge continental country. There wasn't a national organized tournament until late 60's. State level tournaments were by far the most important events. It must be said that some of Brazilian states are as big as most of European Countries, but football is historically centered on a few of those states. São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro were the main ones, with Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul on close second.
In the 1958 team there were 10 players from São Paulo (from 5 different teams), and 12 players from Rio (from 5 different teams). 1962 had 13 from 4 different teams from São Paulo. 1970 team had 11 players from Sâo Paulo (from 5 different teams);
If you take a list of teams with most National Champions from the 60's until now, first, second, fourth and fifth places are teams from São Paulo - Palmeiras, Santos, Corinthians and São Paulo FC. All of them, by the way, are also multiple Copa Libertadores Champions. Not to mention medium level teams with multiple second place and third place national honours like Portuguesa, Ponte Preta and Guarany (1978 national champion), that were also playing on São Paulo.
Teams from São Paulo have more National Trophies than teams from all the other states combined.
So, HOW, HOW, HOW can you say that the São Paulo State was not a very strong Tournament, with FOUR high level teams and a number of medium level teams?!?!?!
It was strong! Pele was playing against some of the best! Pele's team, Santos, was playing against some of the world's best players, and beating some of Brazil's best teams.
It´s foolish to compare those Brazilian state-level tournaments with German ones. They are not the same.
Nowadays, people forget this, cause the National Tournament is well established, but simply put. State-level Tournaments WERE the most important tournaments throughout the 50's till the 70's.
And you know what? THE SAME IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE.
Imagine this: São Paulo is roughly the size of the UK and has/had 4 high-level teams, Minas Gerais, with two high-level teams, is the size of Spain, Rio has/have 4 high-level teams, Rio Grande do Sul have/has 2, and so on.
Those states had very strong state-level championships.
One day, they decided to create a strong National Tournament and, little by little, those strong state tournaments begin to shrink. 40 years later, we are calling them "farmer's league"
Well, Spain has 2 (maybe 3) strong teams; England has 4, Germany has 2, Italy I don't know anymore, 2 or 3.
There are always plans for a Europe League, with all of them.
Imagine if little by little they begin to abandon the domestic league in favor of this new continental one.
40 years from now, there will be people saying that Messi or Ronaldo or Muller played in a farmer´s league.
I agree, "Pele did play in farmer's league" is as exaggerated as the title using the word "fraud". Nevertheless there are plenty of arguments to support the fact and overwhelming consensus among many football fans that Pelé is indeed an overrated football player.
Pele was so brilliant that he could have played any position from Gk-St that's magical. Long live 👑King Pele🇧🇷. His DNA is triple world🌎 class.
So true everyone who says he isn’t the 🐐 are just shunning him out as they never got to see him play. I’ll admit it is pretty close between him and Messi but pele has to get the top spot.
Neither Messi nor Pele may be considered absolute goats. It's funny how you people forget about Paulo Mandini, Lev Yashin, Gerd Muller and Ferenc Puskas who in my opinion were way greater than Messi, Pele, CR7 or Maradona.
yogeshwar gupta not even close...
yogeshwar gupta muller and puskas aren't better then Messi or Ronaldo or Maradona.
yogeshwar gupta you can't compare a goalkeeper and a defender to strikers...
Spot on dude. Glad to see someone taking these haters to task. However I'd add atop your own points a few points of my own:1. Not only was the brazillian league, similar to if not superior to Europes top leagues, but football parity both within and outside of Europe was considerably higher than now. Di Stefano joined RM at the age of 26 from a Columbian team and convinced many he was the greatest player in history. teams like Reims and Partizan Belgrade made it to the CL final. Money didn't water down competition to a few leagues much less a few teams like it has in the 00's and 10's. And you see this in sports around the world: Cricket the West Indies were the most dominant team in the 60's and 70's, likewise in that time in baseball many black players came over form the negro leagues to dominate mainstream baseball despite their formative years in a "lesser league". Nowadays players like Messi and Suarez earn more than entire teams in the same leagues they play in. Parity in sports was greater in the 60's than it is today, especially in football.2. the easiest argument to counter owing to its blatant logical fallacy and imo is much more applicable to Messi than Pele3. the 1000 goals claim has been ratified by the guinness book of records and it's important to place that point in context. For a person from his generation making it into the guinness book of records was how one wrote themselves into history. And if you understand anything about that record book it's only concerned with quantity not quality. Nowadays obviously no one cares about the guinness book of records, fans are only interested in official football standards which is obviously fine; but simply anyone from his era marveled at someone who entered the guinness book of records and so it was a point of pride and remains one for him today.Also good calls on the final two points. Ppl who dismiss Pele intentionally overlook what he did in '58 as a 17 year old since it would mean accepting that his performance was the epitome of athletic prodigiousness in soccer the likes of which we haven't seen even remotely close to. Also they are ignorant to the fact that he was in his absolute prime during the years he missed the WC and was virtually retired from international fb when he came back to play in 70 having already proven himself. Pele is the WC's greatest ever performer and he never even played in it at his best!
I may add Pele and all Brazilian team were domestic club players when they won '70 WC. That campaign still the best campaign of all times. Brazil won all matches, including the qualifiers. It did not even had a draw!
Brazil only beat England 1-0 in the group stage of that WC and Pele stated that Bobby Moore was the greatest defender he ever played against after that game.
Name a player that scored more than 1000 goals that isn't brazilian and we can discuss.
Kassem Salamé Lord Bendtner
What? Nicklas Bendtner?
7 players with most wives!
Well done mate..!! It is good to hear someone from the other side of the world...who knows what he is talking about when it comes to the best players in the History of the greatest game.
At the beginning of the video you show another important player 0:51 Elias Figueroa... I know it is hard to find the information you need when you don't understand the language.
So, I will give you some key facts... Brazil wanted to nationalize Elias.
Beckenbauer, Pele and Cruyff among others.... had called Elias Figueroa the best stopper.
People that say he is a fraud never played soccer in their lives, its bizarre . Best player ever are: first Pele, second Pele, third Pele, Fourth Pele and fifth Maradona. There is a really good documentary called "Pele Eterno", its 3 hours long with footage of over 300 goals that he scored along his career.
you really showed how good pele was. Many of the messi and ronaldo fanboys nowadays disregard pele just because they think that messi or ronaldo is better.
Thank you for making this video.
I always go for Pele whenever I watch these compilations of the usual suspects (Pele Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi) because 75% of his games were not recorded which means that his compilations videos (all his dribbling and skills sequences) are drawn from only 25% of the competitive games he ever played in, yet his compilation videos are the most impressive of all.
So many clips of his amazing dribbles actually lead to amazing goals (as opposed to dribbles that didn't go anywhere) and his greatest ever goal (against Juventus in 1959) is one of those that are not featured in any of his compilations video because it was not recorded. How many more great skills and goals did he score in the 75% of games that were not taped??... we can only imagine.
The very first clip 0.16, where he stops the ball, draws two players on to him and then flicks it through his legs and leaves them both for dead, is up there with the best skills ever seen on a football field (which he did in a game against Russia, played in Soviet Russia in 1963).
By the time you get to Maradonna in the 1980s up to 90% of his competitive games are recorded, and as for Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi, every single competitive game they have ever played is on tape.
In other words, the best thing Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi ever did in a competitive game of football are in their compilation videos... This cannot be said about Pele.
What a slap on Football Daily.
I'm biased when I say Pelé is the GOAT because I literally support the team he played for almost two decades but let's agree that he was at least ahead of his time, even when compared to other greats who played in the same era, like, for instance, Eusébio.
Pelé is the GOAT. He even played as a goalkeeper once in Santos when the actual keeper got hurt. And a war was stopped just for people to see him play. That hasn't ever happened to Messi or CR7.
not the GOAT being the GOAT is all about stats not how nice you are and also the reason is because Messi and Cr7 have never been put in that position Pelé was
I think he started to be hated after his "FIFA 100" list, or in other words, when he started to speak. Such a great player, but not the best personality. Kinda like MJ.
I like Messi but why is everyone saying there is cancerous Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Maradona, and other fanboys? Let's all just enjoy the sport, know that those that I mentioned are one of the bests, and know that Pelé was really good.
Here are my two cents.
There is no greatest footballer of all time.
Football is an association sport, with 11 players per side.
Picking one player as the "best" is a travesty, an insult to the other 10 positions being played.
This guy simply stopped a war...
Joao Pedroza and Messi and Ronaldo started a war. LM10 vs CR7 who is better?
No he didnt
Even Drogba stopped a war
Folarin Alabi ua-cam.com/video/iiorT1p5TAo/v-deo.html
Maradona cheated in the world cup n should have been sacked instead of owning a hand held goal. Only a goal keeper is allowed to use his hands in a soccer match. Period. ( also players using hand to stop n pull opponents or stop a goal using hands should be red carded n repeated offenders should be banned from soccer)
1970s
Pele greatest of all time
2010s
Over-rated
Currently
Messi greatest of all time
After 50 years
Super Over-rated
The Brazilian Government in the early sixties passed the LAW declaring Pele a Treasure of the nation effectively banning him to play outside Brazil. This is a fact you can google it
Pele a fraud? People don't know how what 'fraud' means. Platini could be called a fraud.
Yes .
Pele is the greatest football player of all times period.
Yes, but ask him and he will say Neymar Jr.
The Jokhadar not really he played with shit people
+Jota Soares talk is cheap so just prove it and stop been a repeating Coco
Jota Soares oh my god, at the time the brazilian league was one of the strongest leagues in the world, the winners of the libertadores here would face the winners of the UCL and europe would get smashed, he played with one of the best players in the world against him, and beside him.
The Jokhadar until Messi started playing..
6:29 are the guy at the back of Pele look like rashford+neymar+coutiho combine ?
Cookie Kang and a bit Marquinhos
He looks a little bit like Neymar if he was overweight (Not saying this player was)
that guy look like cafu
it is young cafu!!
It looks like him, but Cafu played for brazil from 1990 to 2006 and pele played for brazil from 1957 to 1971
Guys who say that pele is not considered as one of The greatest of all time, if not the greatest, really should start watching football properly. Nice list HITC Sevens
Pele had played for fourteen years, most of his career, before yellow cards were introduced to protect forwards. Before then, defenders didn't have to worry about accumulating cautions for savage tackles. If Pele had the protections that Messi and others have today, he would have scored another two hundred goals in his career.
1. That Argument is usually only used by very young people who imo get mostly blinded by the way modern television broadcasts the stuff with way more dynamic angles, Slowmotions, Cose Ups and moving cameras. In a lot of cases they also cannot understand how different equipment and rules really affect the game as they didnt witness the time. De Facto opposition was less good in the top tier but way more competitive in width as most teams are on a similar level, which today is not the case anymore. And the fact that modern players learned from the experience and knowledge from the old ones and would be unable to do what they are doing without it also doesnt seem to get trough. You need to first invent the Pistol before you can invent the machine gun. Simple as that.
2. The brazilian league was far better then any european league back in Peles Time. People seem to assume that the power hierarchy in Football has alwas been the way it is now, but as a matter of fact a lot of the the leagues as we know them today are not existing, and the continent just comes out of the most devastating war ever fought with most of todays Powerhouses having had tremendous losses in Youth and infrastructure. Its no cooincidence that european football in the 50's & 60's was dominated by portuguese and spanish teams, Countries who were mostly affected on a lesser degree by the war.
3. The fact Pele did have stellar teammates is not discussable, its just the truth and they were effectively able to win the worldcup just without him. That doesnt mean that Pele wasn't there best player, but it shows that they were'nt as reliant on him as for instance France was reliant on Platini or Zidane to get things done.
4. Goal scoring records are decieving if you dont see them in context of the period. Pele still played a part of his career in the era of high scoring football. Then you have the 80's in which italian influence on the game and the 2 Point rule aswell as a 24 Team Worldcup with double group phases or group 3rds being qualified for the knockouts produced a very defensive and destructive mindsets in teams. It was ridiculously difficult to score in the 1980's. You could see the same happening at the 2016 Euro were a lot of teams played way more restrained as the motivation to go full throttle was downed by the tournament mode.
What i am trying to say is: Higher amount of goals does not necessarily relate to better player.
5. You are spot on that point, even though at the Core its mergable with ur first argument. While of course players evolved, you can only play to the knowledge you have. What counts is the challenge. And the challenge and competion were comparable to now in the beazilian league, while the international challenge was less due to what i said in Point 2
6. Actually its rathe same points 3. It doesnt really help his case that they were able to win it without him.
7. Actually most of the players who are usually considered to be in the club of the "greatest" are offensive Midfielders. And the reason for that is that they are not only involved with finishing, but also in building and defending. Thats not necessarily fair but it is like it is and since Pele is largely viewed as a striker it leads many people to judge his influence on the game as less defining then for Instance Cruijff who really was heart & soul of the Dutch. This means their Goal scoring records are also less of an issue then with a striker.
Of course Pele is an all time great
I always go for Pele whenever I watch these compilations of the usual suspects (Pele Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi) because 75% of his games were not recorded which means that his compilations videos (all his dribbling and skills sequences) are drawn from only 25% of the competitive games he ever played in, yet his compilation videos are the most impressive of all.
So many clips of his amazing dribbles actually lead to amazing goals (as opposed to dribbles that didn't go anywhere) and his greatest ever goal (against Juventus in 1959) is one of those that are not featured in any of his compilations video because it was not recorded. How many more great skills and goals did he score in the 75% of games that were not taped??... we can only imagine.
The very first clip 0.16, where he stops the ball, draws two players on to him and then flicks it through his legs and leaves them both for dead, is up there with the best skills ever seen on a football field (which he did in a game against Russia, played in Soviet Russia in 1963).
By the time you get to Maradonna in the 1980s up to 90% of his competitive games are recorded, and as for Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi, every single competitive game they have ever played is on tape.
In other words, the best thing Maradona, Ronaldo, Ronaldino and Messi ever did in a competitive game of football are in their compilation videos... This cannot be said about Pele.