The only reason I cannot believe that Loki ate the actual gomu-gomu no mi is due to Vegapunk saying that the fruit doesn't exist in the old devil fruit encyclopedia. As much as I would love that fight, it's just hard to see that as reality now.
If there was such a fruit with the king of giants, Saul would have known and there would have been a record on Ohara... And VP has read all the books on Ohara @@Memelord1117
@@Memelord1117 and it would be a very well kept secret since the fruit would only be passed down through the ruling family of Elbaf, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be in the encyclopedia
my guess as to why it feels like Logia fruit users haven't really done much lately is because 2 of our largest antagonist are Logia users being Sakazuki and Blackbeard. So Oda might be holding off on that for now
There are no less than SIX prominent wolves in Norse Mythology, and Skoll is the one that is trying/supposed to “devour the sun”, NOT Fenrir… that’s just “wiki scholars” conflating mythological wolves.
Hito hito no mi model surtur. Makes the most sense. If I recall correctly in certain legends he's said to be the primary reason to Ragnarok happening or at least one of them. It would also make sense with the Will of the Devil Fruit since it has to uphold to prophecy about destroying the world.
Nhl, just had the same thought. If Hajrudin had gotten Aces's fruit he would have become a fire giant... A FIRE GIANT If we're assuming that Loki's fruit is similar in any kind of way, that's one step towards Surtr already Add that to wanting to destroy the world, Loki and Surtr being basically the beginning and end of Ragnarok, and the GIANT SWORD SITTING RIGHT THERE... yeah, the chances of a Surtr fruit are quite high
I think the same. I could also see why they needed every giant to stop him. Surtur is considered a giant fire demon or fire giant. It would be the equivalent of Sanjuan Wolf and his Huge-Huge Fruit, but even more OP with an even more OP person using a fruit that makes you bigger. I think we might get a hint at it being surtur if we see one or two giants with burns.
As I understand it Ragnarok has already happened and will happen again as the world will repeat itself, like a cycle of life and death, Ragnarok destroys the World tree and after that the world is remade and the World tree grows once again.
There's 2 points wrong with the Gomu Gomu no Mi theory. 1. The World Government knew they had the Nika fruit until Shanks' crew stole it. That was why Who's Who was imprisoned. 2. Vegapunk has stated there is no Gomu Gomu no Mi in the original Devil Fruit encyclopedia.
Well it's still possible that it's not in the encyclopedia because Elbaph is in a similar state as Wano and the real Gomu Gomu no mi has been falsely worshipped for hundreds of years
@@HappyChap9 It wasn`t in the old Devil Fruit Encyclopedia because the WG renamed it after finding out it`s true Powers and to hinder anyone from getting it, they just named it after its basic Traits..Being Rubber, hence the Gomu Gomu no Mi..Vegapunk didn`t have any clue how it looked like so he was only able to search for it by Name..That`s why the Gomu Gomu no Mi wasn`t in the Old Book, but the Hito Hito no Mi Model: Nika (it`s original Name) was, that`s how the WG found out about it and since very few have the Old One besides WG, Elbaph and Vegapunk, they could rename it into the Gomu Gomu no Mi (and printing it in the New Book which was edited and published by the WG to take out Void Century-Fruits of higher Meaning of the Book) without anyone knowing it`s true Origin and hunting it down..Till Shanks came around.
I think there was an instance when the true nature of Luffy's DF was revealed where the Gorosei went like "there never was a Gomu Gomu no Mi". Like yeah they represent peoples' dreams and people can wish to be rubbery but it would be super weird for the world government's head honchos to not be aware of this fruit and then accidentally pass off a god fruit as this fruit that also exists but they dont know about.
Jarul is 408, giants would enter the void century in terms of their age in a MERE two generations. It's passed down as an heirloom by a royal family in a separatist country, unlike most other fruit that would be popping up all over the place in the span of 800 years, it makes sense that it would be undocumented by any text Vegapunk has ever read, or even the WG.
@@leafshade3643 You are assuming that prior to the void century devil fruits didnt exist. Sure, the oldest confirmed uses we know are from the void century (hito hito model nika, toki toki no mi, Imu's fruit(assuming it is a fruit) and the Ope ope no mi all have been consumed or used in that time, maybe I'm forgetting one or 2 since Ryuma could have lived during that time and the dragon he killed was a devil fruit user). But there is nothing telling us Devil Fruits didnt exist at all prior to that. Yeah, there is an implication that either Imu or Joyboy (or both) are responsible for creating devil fruits, but other than that, it could have been prior to both existing too.
The devil fruits on Elbaf could be more Logia-based. Since Whole Cake Island was filled with Big Mom's crew having Paramecia-based powers, while Wano we had Kaido's crew with Zoan-based powers. That's just my theory
Honestly, this route would definitely be cool to see. I could see Loki thinking he is the Sun God because he has a logia df that turns him into solar plasma. The Sun Sun Df.
I think it's a Legendary Paramecia. If this Loki is anything similar to Marvel's Loki, then he is about trickery and deception. He utilizes illusions, shape-shifting, hypnosis, and telepathy. He can also levitate, teleport, create dimensional rifts, and manipulate objects with his mind. Loki from Marvel also came from Frost Giants, and is also "competing" to be king with a fellow peer, so there is a lot of similarities here.
@@thatboy3930 Adding in that Marvel copy/pasted that from actual Mythology, so it's not just Marvel. Learned this the other night by losing trivia to a mythology question. I Thought Thor was just a marvel character and not actually the "god of thunder" lmao. I had my friend that studies multiple variants of mythology (greek, norse, etc.) and he did mention Loki being a frost giant, about being god of trickery, etc... One thing he did mention (and I could be remembering this wrong, as well as too lazy to google it myself), was that he killed his father in norse mytholgy, but the being tied to a tree part came from greek mytholgy, also that he killed his brother instead of his father. This was bar talk so naturally I'm not remembering everything but I remember thinking they could build up a moment where Loki kills his brother (Hajrudin in this case) as my friend explained everything to me.
he has the Fear Fear fruit. Nothing would be more legendary to a kingdom of warriors obsessed with bravery and pride. the fruit might give the user control over others fear. plus it will fit with Usopp's quest to overcome fear and become a brave warrior. fits thematically
Honestly, it would be SO much funnier if he had a fear-fear fruit that just induced fear towards the user if their will is weaker and gives the user control over everyone that fears him. But he is the nicest guy around and doesnt realize he is actively manipulating people because he doesnt understand how the fruit works.
If this was True that he Has the Fear-Fear Fruit Just Imagine He Could Manifest A Will So Powerful That He Could Actually Become That Will, Unless someone has Weird Fears And Loki Just Becomes A Looney Toon Anything is possible it's one piece.
Some mythology info- Ragnarok is implied to have happened, BUT only because the primary source we have on the myth was written by someone trying to create a shared norse cultural identity (he wanted his native iceland to join up with norway) and everything he wrote has to be examined for bias due to that. For example after ragnarok bauldur and his brother show up again (they died long before ragnarok) along with 2 humans in an adam and eve situation, and several points in the book refer to a god of light and everything good in a way that is clearly shoehorning in christianity, while in other places it uses all the good things Baldur is associated with to create a similar parallel, ie the world ends but no worries we have the god of all the good stuff still hear, with some humans to repopulate. This also points to Snorri, writing the whole thing with Ragnarok intended to be a good thing, a cleansing apocalypse that paves the way for the good world we currently live in. Other notes- Fenrir doesn't eat the sun or moon, Skoll and Hati do, I forget if they are fenrir or loki's kids but they aren't Fenrir.
I love you mentioned the big snake... as you know, when giants used their last attack against giant goldfish... they mentioned it is one and only thing their attack cannot pierce ("Great serpent soaked in blood", chapter 129).
3:25 this is actually an interesting question. Short answer, we don't know. We know actually rather little about norse mythology, despite what one might think with the ammount of it we have in pop culture, . There are arguments that can be made that Ragnarok already happend, but the things pointing to that could be additions made by christian monks. The version we have does end with only 2 humans surviving and Baldr coming back to life, a god of purity and light. This is extremly christian coded and could have beend included to explain to the population why they should worship this "new" god now. Funnily enough Loki himself is a very paradoxical figure in the mythology. To a point where one could raise the question if he was originally part of norse mythology, or a later edition by christian monks aswell.
Why hasnt anyone mentioned that last chapter from little garden when dorry and broggy bust a hole in the giant goldfish, and before that they say ,,only the serpent soaked in blood can withstand our attack,, . They believe he killed his father, therefore hes soaked in blood. I am convinced they are talking about Loki, but could this mean he also has the jormugandr fruit?
I think it's because It's not possible for them to have known about Loki's powers by then. They were fighting for a hundred years in Little Garden and Loki wasn't even born yet. So in Little Garden It was not possible for them to know about Loki's existence neither his powers.
Yeah, I lot of people overlook that Oda revealed Loki'a age a long time ago. He's 63, like Goldberg and Road, so he was born long after Dorry and Broggy started their 100-year duel in Little Garden. Ie they didn't even know Loki existed during the Little Garden arc.
I find it hard to be the Gomu Gomu no Mi as Vegapunk seemed to be fairly certain that such a fruit doesn’t exist. Unless it’s a fruit with similar stretchy powers but a totally different name like the Stretchy Stretchy Fruit or something. We still have no clear idea why the weird errors were happening in the Lego castle, right? Why Luffy’s weapon kept changing, why Nami’s bracelet disappeared, Zoro didn’t get lost, and that one panel when they attacked the cat that clearly referenced an earlier attack from Alabasta, etc. If that wasn’t an effect from Road himself, perhaps Loki’s fruit subtly alters reality and brings stories to life but is imperfectly used so long as he is chained up?
Here's a possibility, the real Gomu Gomu no mi is unrecorded because the fruit has been falsley worshipped by Elbaphians for hundreds of years. I believe the issue on Elbaph isn't about a big bad but rather false gods on Elbaph, and Luffy becoming their real sun god.
I think a paramecia type trickster fruit would be cool. Obviously Loki is known as the trickster god of norse mythology but it goes deeper than that. The trickster uses his reality bending powers to play cruel tricks on people that only make himself laugh, this trait would make him a perfect false Nika who also breaks the rules of reality but spreads joy and laughter to others.
Loki already sounds amazing as a antagonist or whatever force he's gonna be/represent, but ever since Gear 5th came and Oda stated that he only wants to draw what's fun for him, I trust that it'll be a really good showdown... I'm so glad I lived through all of One Piece to be able to even witness moments like these though
Here's an idea, what if Loki has the plasma plasma fruit. Ceasar has the gas gas fruit, so we know that "states of matter" fruits exist, and he hard counters smokers who is a type of gass user. So why not have a plasma fruit that counters fire, light, electricity (3 very stong logia fruits) and stars which includes the sun
Correction; The official interprets (not confirms, they are not accuracy checked by Shueisha after all, and are more often than not the incorrect translation between official and scans) it as that is what is said, and if so the only thing it confirms is that the Elbaf Pirates are under the belief Loki ate the fruit.
I want Loki to have the true gum-gum fruit...can you imagine, he's freed by Luffy not knowing he's a bad guy some giants show up to try and stop him, and we just have Loki stretch his arm back and shout "GUM-GUM PISTOL!" (or something other than pistol) and just watch Luffy be so surprised at seeing Loki do what he can do
This is easily the most prolific "theory" on his fruit I have seen by far (and I'm in a lot of OP related discussion spaces) and tbh no, that'd make this awesome character intro a damn gag, no ty. Idk. Would be sorta funny but I doubt oda would tbh
@@BlitzedKip420 Don't worry, that won't happen. These guy seems to collectively have forgotten that Vegapunk confirmed that there is no such thing as a gomu gomu no mi.
I think him having a Devil Fruit that either allows him to create whatever he imagines (sorta like a better version of the Art Fruit) or manipulate people's perception and create illusions (like Aizen) would be fitting for someone to call themselves a Sun God. Also the fight between him and Luffy would be so wacky and crazy where Oda would be free to create whatever he imagines.
I just HOPE Loki will NOT have another zoan. I'm tired of them. I hope in a paramecia too tbh. I think they are usually the most creative type but can't imagine what power could be.. Or maybe, wouldbe cool to see the awakening of a rogia from him!
I want him to have a Paramecia because, yes, I'm also a bit tired of Zoans, but also, Liam didn't mention we're set to have so many Logia users gather during the final arcs, which is probably why Oda has been holding back on them for now. Akainu, Kizaru, Kuzan, Green Bull, Blackbeard, Crocodile, Sabo, Karasu, and maybe Dragon if it's true he has the Wind Logia. All of them are set as big participants during the final conflict, which is probably why Oda has been focusing on the other 2 types for a while.
It's also possible that Loki's fruit has no relation at all to Norse Mythology but is a power that is simple assumed to be something Myth related, kinda like how Giants are often tied into Norse Mythology when in reality, they had nothing to do with. The Giants are from Greek Mythology, they were created by Gaia to be the antithesis to the Olympian gods. What people often mistake for Giants in Norse Mythology were called Jotnar, who were not giants, but the antithesis of the Aesir/Vanir gods.
My theory is that Loki has a Jotuun jotuun no mi that gives him the power to affect the environment and give those who look into his eyes to be given illusions and tricked. This could probably be linked to jormungandir as a zoan model And he could probably use ice as a narrative antithesis to Sun God aspect of the gomu gomu no mi and in ragnarök Midgard snowed like crazy hence the heavy snow in elbaf and around Loki.
Everyone's talking only about what Loki's devil fruit is (which I do want to know), but I'm also interested in how exactly this devil fruit is "passed down" through the royal family. How does that work exactly? When a king dies, does everyone look through all the trees, fruit stores and kitchens in the kingdom in hopes of finding the one that turned into the devil fruit? Is it even confirmed that a DF reincarnates in the same island it's previous user died? I think it happened with Smiley, but who knows if it's always that way. I'm pretty curious about how that works, and I think it could be an interesting video.
For me, it's a fruit that makes his listeners believe his stories. So GOD Lysop is going to out lie him, in so becoming the legendary warrior lyspo acknowledged by all giants.
The mother flame logia idea is amazing as it would also explain why harudin wanted the fame fruit as the next best option, the flame fruit would just be the true weaker version instead of the magma, or it could be seen as the mother flame fruit is superior to the magu magu no mi
I've been looking through sun myths in various cultures and noticed how it's quite common for myths to talk about how the sun is driven by a chariot across the sky. I've found atleast three. In greek mythology it's Helios the personified sun riding across the sky in a chariot, in germanic/norse mythology it's Sol I believe who drives the chariot of the sun as punishment for being named after the sun and in Hindu mythology it's Aruna driving a chariot carrying the personified sun Surya. What if Loki's power is related to said chariot? I could see the Chariot of the Sun being a paramecia fruit that aside from creating a massive chariot also has the power to control all kinds of flames. There could even be a connection to Joyboy/Nika if back in the void century or whenever Nika was around the chariot was Joyboy's/Nika's ship or rather vehicle. Luffy has the Sunny, Roger had the Oro Jackson and Joyboy/Nika was travelling in the Chariot of the Sun. The way the giants rever the sun god they would certainly call the fruit used by their giant ancestor to carry Nika in his chariot a legendary fruit. And depending on how much of the details of history have been lost Loki could easily believe that the chariot would make him the actual sun god. As for powers and visuals I'd say Loki fighting with Luffy in a crazy fast chariot burning with flames would be pretty epic especially if those flames were hot enough to destroy an island similar to one of the ancient weapons. Which it very well could do if the chariot was used to control a flame based logia user or Vegapunk's mother flame. And it would be something completely different from the many zoan and logia we've had recently.
I came in thinking loki might have some kind of logia that is related to the sun, basically one upping the magma fruit, like the plasma-plasma fruit, but now I also want loki to be a gomu-gomu eater as well.
Since the ancient kingdom was so advanced, nuclear energy might have been common place way back 800 years ago. If we're going off the idea of Loki wielding the raw power of the sun, paramecia that turns Loki into a reactor that can fire off entire solar flares would be pretty fitting and unique. I'm assuming in One Piece it would take the form of a bunch of high power lasers and explosions like Godzilla style.
Maybe he has a df which gives him reality altering powers? Only caveat is him needing to use his vision to alter reality ? Or maybe a mythical zoan model chimera devil fruit where he’s a mix of wolf , a snake and a horse?🤔
3:23 this is solely based on one source i'm familiar with, so take it with a grain of salt, but, while the events of ragnarok are described as being merely visions of odin for an upcoming event, our modern world probably exists in a post ragnarok area. the events post ragnarok are suspiciously christianity inspired, with the world being destroyed and repopulated by the only two remaining people, a man and a woman (obvious parallels to adam and eve), and the surviving divine beings coming together under the leadership of the revived baldr, a god of justice and goodness, nicknamed "the shining one" (obvious parallels both to jesus's resurrection and to the christian god). so the basic idea is that the old gods died during ragnarok, and that after ragnarok the new christian pantheon and our current world order came into power. now, it's important to remember that we don't really have much first-hand information about the original nordic beliefs, and most of what we have is a propaganda piece, written by a guy in order to try to reunite iceland and norway, so he probably wrote it in such a manner to pacify both sides and combine the two religions into one continuous narrative.
interesting idea about ragnarok (sorry if this was already mentioned): it would be interesting if the giants saw the red line as a sort of world serpent, which would also tie into the idea of ragnarok beginning with the world serpent releasing its tail from its mouth, or in the case of one piece, the red line being destroyed, just like Shyarly said would happen in the fishman island saga, thus triggering ragnarok aka the last big war previously mentioned by kaido after whitebeards death… (regardless of whether or not this is going to be canon, it sounds like an interesting idea to me)
11:52 "Loki ate the true gomu gomu no mi" -> sadly not possible cause Vegapunk referred in the lucci vs luffy fight that there is no gomu gomu no mi in the ancient devil fruit encyclopedia
dont you think thats because its been in elbaf far away from anyone else as it was passed down from king to king, i dont think its the gum gum fruit pursonally tho
How would they know gomu gomu no mi exists if it was held far away within royal family of giants, for hundreds of years? Unless vegapunk was talking about books BEFORE void century, then yeah
As a kid I read a lot of Norse myths that felt like we live in a post Ragnarök world. Specifically I remember a picture in the end of one book showing Baldurs prophesied return after Ragnrök in a garden walking up to a man and a woman feeling very similar to bible genesis imagery. So the myths read kind of like a prequel to the bible. It’s worth noting that texts of the Norse myths that has survived were almost exclusively written down by Christians in Scandinavia to preserve their history. So most myths we hear and read now have already passed through a Christian filter.
Two things: 1) I'm getting similar vibes from Loki and what he did to his father, as I got from Blackbeard when he took Thatches fruit. There is heavy emphasis that the fruit was obtained by eating the prior user. 2) Until proven otherwise my favorite fruit idea is that Sun God is just a title for the king of Elbaph and that his actual devil devil fruit is a mythical zoan of a Nidhog, the dragon that threatens the death of the world tree. So it's not a fruit that can end the whole world, just a fruit that's specifically designed to kill the Giant's world, Yggdrasil.
I still don't understand why Greenbull's fruit is considered Logia when it seems far closer to a Special Paramecia like Katakuri's Mochi fruit. It's not like Logia are mandatory for Admirals since Fujitora has a gravity based Paramecia.
@@Ashtarte3D the point is that what we used to think logia's was just elements like sand and fire but Greenbull changed that with is forest fruit, so maybe like how paramecia's have special paramecia's and zoan's have mythic and ancient, maybe there are standard logia's that have just one element then there are ones like Greenbulls where it represents an environment or parts of nature and have extra powers associated with that, like a mountain logia or a sky logia (i couldn't think of any good examples) also I've just remembered Caribous swamp fruit so maybe i'm onto something lol
I think it being the actual gomu gomu no mi would make sense because it would be a good entry point to introduce the straw hats to the hito hito no mi and give them an actual explanation to gear 5
I saw a theory video on this, and it makes so much sense. Back in Little Garden, where we met Dorry and Bragi, they told us that they worship their God of War Elbaph. This deity is important enough in Giant culture as it is their top deity that is even above Nika. This prmonance makes me thing that the fruit Loki ate... Is the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Elbaph!
I kinda thought it would be awesome if Prince Loki got a devil fruit that was one upgraded/stronger than Enels. Devil Fruit Model - Thor. It would be like Enels, but able to give stronger lightning attacks and the lightning attacks was able to super heat things. So a rubber ability wouldnt be a problem. Or a Devil Fruit Model - Odin. Also, Black Beard may have a Logia. But he dosnt get the traditional Logia abilities. Unless he always thought he didnt. But he just needed to work on gaining the ability bc its harder with his devil fruit. Like the ability where non haki based attacks have no damage. It would make sense. Bc you really dont see or hear or even think BlackBeard would be a type to “train.” And to get that ability where non haki attacks just pass right through a logia user, they did say it takes work. Bc its something you have to allow. So unless you think about it, and let it happen and im assuming timing plays a great deal. Attacks wont go through a logia user. So whatever oart of your body thats being attacked, you have to make that part become intangible. So it could just be that BlackBeards devil fruit is harder to learn to do that.
I don’t think the mother flame fruit could exist, because vegapunk said the fruits were made from desires centuries ago, and the mother flame was invented recently
It definitely could, but not as the Mother Flame as we know it. Like if Loki had a fruit to create Fusion that would certainly be something all powerful while also being something science related that Vegapunk sought to create.
3:24 Okay so about your question, technically both and none of them. It might have happend and we dont know it or it will happen later down the line. I think what you belived mostly depended on where in the world the viking was from, their family ect. But more importantly in what I have seen in One Piece so far it hasnt happend yet in the One Piece verse. (Also im a norwegian man who is WAY to intrested in norse mythology so I should have some credibility.)
@abcdefg-gt1fk i go into more detail in my own comment, but it's very likely it already happened. post ragnarok events are suspiciously similar to christian beliefs, so the basic idea is that ragnarok already happened and in the after match christianity happened and everything in the bible are the events that transpired after ragnarok wiped the slates clean.
I was trying to think, I thought in the 'Christianisation' sort of butchering of these pagan norse myths (it happened to both Norse & Celtic beliefs) said that Ragnarok did occur and that only Baldr & two humans survived, implying that he becomes/ was the Christian god. I don't remember if it happened in actually norse mythology,
@@severalgeollosscreaming48 thing is we don't really have many texts from actual norse mythology, so all we have to go by are those christianitised myths, but you are indeed correct about your memory regarding those.
I love the idea it's a mixture of Fenrir and Sultan (sorry if I misspelled them) from Norse lore. Oda usually combines myths and legends to make his characters and him being tied up in chains is exactly how Fenrir was in the lore, and according to the lore not only does he kill Odin but when he is realeased Ragnarok will be begin. Also Finrir is known for killing Odin (Loki killed his dad which we all assume to be Odin) Add the giant sword that Surtar is usually dipected with (think Thor Love and Thunder from Marvel) and Elpath just so happens to have a giant sword. Mix those 2 together and we have One Piece Loki
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Given the narrative that’s been followed through the arc, I think Loki’s devil fruit is whatever war god the giants worship. Looking at Norse Mythology, the surface level answer would be Týr, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if the god they worship is the namesake of their island, Elbaph.
The giants' God of War is indeed called Elbaf. It was revealed back in the Little Garden arc. I looked it up recently in the original Japanese and it quite clearly mentions the god by name. Seeing as the island shares the name of their war god, it would be fitting for a fruit of their god to also be passed down in the royal family.
I think Loki's fruit will give him toon force powers similar to what Luffy uses. Maybe a paramicia but I'd be sad if the God of mischief didn't have a wacky cartoon fight with Luffy.
Remember that they teased that Joy Boy was a giant, with Imu visiting the original straw hat that was huuuuuuge! That might have been to foreshadow that the fruits got mixed up and Loki indeed has the Gomu gomu no mi instead of Hito hito no mi model Nika! :o
@@tobiaswedin No, he confirmed it's in no devil fruit encyclopedias. Jarul is 408, giants would enter the void century in terms of their age in a MERE two generations. It's passed down as an heirloom by a royal family in a separatist country, unlike most other fruit that would be popping up all over the place in the span of 800 years, it makes sense that it would be undocumented by any text Vegapunk has ever read.
@@leafshade3643 The thing is, my point actually has some basis in what was written in the story and the purpose for why it was written, while you guys are just reaching with assumptions to even have a footholding to start fantasizing about a fruit that has not been explained or foreshadowed in the slightest.
@@tobiaswedin He literally never said it didn't exist, only that it's not in books. Almost every fruit would show up several times in a 800 year span, but one passed down solely by creatures that live 400 years each? Not so much. Literally no reason for it to be in a book.
I'm on the Syrtur camp. Ever since we saw the giant sword. But.....his eye bandages make me weary..... I could see a Hymdall fruit being used. It gives him an unlocked advanced future sight. (Which is why Shanks had to learn his ability to stop future sight) And a nasty portal/bifrost ability.
I think his devil Fruit would reflect his Norse Mythology routes. I think a giant wolf would be perfect for him because like you said, Mythical DFs can do anything you want. If you Google "Norse Mythology Loki Powers," You first get some basic stuff like super strength, stamina, intelligence and is a master Swordsman. All that is something he could already have, no DF required. But dig deeper and we see Shapeshifting, Illusion casting, Sorcery and even electric manipulation. The legendary wolf powers could give him electric powers like the Mink tribe, but the shapeshifting, Illusions and sorcery can be grouped into one and can be cast from his eyes. That's why he's blindfolded.
The way the story has changed what even is the difference between Logia and Paramecia fruits anymore now that we have awakening. I would've thought Katakuri was the perfect example of a logia antagonist post time skip but he doesn't count as one because..... ?? If new characters have to come in having awakened their devil fruit to be at the same power as the crew then everyone is just a 'logia' now
10:50 Smokers seastone jutte only needed a coin sized surface area to stop powers. A single link or manacles covered in Sea stone should be enough to restrain a logis user.
I dont know why this video gave me the idea, but I have a sudden thought on how Blackbeard has multiple fruits, and it *IS* because of the Yami Yami no mi. Hear me out: We learned from Vegapunk that Devil Fruits are "a creation of dreams," or something along those semantics. I always interpreted that to mean theye quite literally man-made, and the creator/creators were using peoples desires to decide what fruit to make. I.e. John from two towns over need to keep his kilns lit, so they made the mera mera no mi. Continueing the Yami Yami thought; what if the creators made sure to intentionally put the 1-limit rule in them, and being heavier than water was already a side effect that just didnt matter at the time (until the oceans were weaponized). But for some reason, the creator of the Yami Yami no mi didnt set that limitation? If these are creations of intelligent design, then their draw backs mightve been intentional. What if someone broke that law by creating the Yami Yami no mi? Its already a hellish fruit that counters other fruits, and is an antithesis of the Nika fruit by absorbing light, and nullifying fruit powerd. And if BB is an archeologist orf orts, he mightve discovered this, and thats how he knew he could steal more fruits.
One more piece of blind speculation: If the devil fruits were a trade secret, that would make the Yami Yami no MI an illegal fruit of sorts, which continues to play into it being anti-fruit, and anti-nika.
The fruit swap idea could be cool but I still like my idea which is kind of similar to the idea of being the Mother Flame: Loki has the Fusion fruit. Instead of being purely light or purely fire he can fuse ambient elements into unimaginably hot light sources, you know, like a Sun. We already know the Magma supersedes Flame in One Piece because of a certain donut because the intensity of heat needed to melt rock is more than generally lighting things on fire. So what is hotter than that? FUSION.
I think it's a cold or like weather related fruit. One of the calling signs of Ragnarok is fimbulwinter, and Loki being freed and using his fruit to cause this would make sense since it'd mark the beginning of the "end" the other giants believed he'd bring about. Also, "hai rue den" (idk how to spell his name) wanted a fire fruit, which would be the perfect counter to something cold based.
What if the legendary devilfruit Loki ate gave him the epiphet 'marked by flames' in relation to his fruit (given the parameters its a legendary fruit, related to the sun or some (sun)god deity)). Maybe Loki has a road poneglyphe simply for the reason he knows he needs those to start what eventually turns the world upside down or in his mind ragnarok. On the other hand im just completely baked.
In Norse mythology we see different types of giants: frost, fire, etc. Perhaps, the fruit handed down is a "giant giant fruit model: fire giant". Essentially scaling up Loki to an insane size and giving him fire powers in the process. Something/someone has to be big enough to swing that sword stuck in the island. This solves the legendary status, the fire related item, and the sun god relation.
I’ve seen a theory saying it might be Hito Hito no mi: model Elbaph, meaning the user is able to transform into the Warrior God Elbaph, which was mentioned all the way back by Dorry and Broggy in Littlegarden. (Unfortunately I do not remember the channel I’ve seen this theory) I think that might be very possible, but I absolutely love this Gomu and Nika fruit swap, since Luffy got his “Gomu” fruit by Shanks, who is also an ally of the giants, so he could easily access this fruit. Though possibly meaning that both Nika and Gomu fruits were being guarded by the giants and making it harder to explain both Vegapunk’s dialogue where he says there’s no such thing as a “Gomu Gomu fruit”, instead that being the Nika fruit (which means this one was in the records), and the gorosei dialogue where they state that Zoan fruits have some kind of own will, as they seemed to be “escaping” the world government.
My guess is he ate the plasma plasma fruit, a logia that turns the user into star plasma. Stars aren't fire, they're made of an assortment of elements that smash into each other at high speed due to tremendous gravity. It isn't just hot, it gives off loads of radiation, so it would make him extremely difficult to fight.
Fun fact: we've already had a reference to Joemungandr! The gates above the river up Reverse Mountain depict a massive serpent! It's my opinion that Jormungandr, or some other massive danger noodle, was responsible for creating the Red Line.
Something to keep in mind is that in Skypea, the big snake was referred as the Sun God. So the World Snake fruit could actually make all the sense in the world I'm halfway through the video, not sure if it was brought up later or in the comments. Sorry if it was
I really like the idea of loki having a sun sun fruit, then similar to your mother flame idea, having the actual sun vs the symbolic meaning of the sun
The mother flame is most likely a nuclear fusion type reaction and not combustion like fire, so I propose Logia DM Nuclear-Nuclear no Mi, giving power over Atoms itself, including but not limited to, matter transmutation, atomic explosion, and ionizing radiation causing mutations (not cancer) but evolution like *turning a cat into a lion*
If we were to be dealing with a Logia-type fruit. I would LOVE for it to be some kind of Rune-Rune fruit, a fruit that lets you sort of become prophetic, Odin hung himself above the well of Mimir for days to unlock the power of the runes in an attempt to change his fated death at ragnorok. How neat would it be to have another sort of "Contained" Logia like Blackbeard (Who isn't covering as large an area as possible with his abilities but rather using them like tool-esque extensions of himself) where Loki could look into the past or future to get the leg up on others or even give THEM a false vision of something to be. True to the trickster name :) Also there is like 0% chance of it happening but if he is a logia I'm starting the Loki for Nakama banner :P
I liked the idea of Jorgmungandr on a thematic parallel, however you're totally right that we have had way too many mythicals as of late. And I kinda think Oda is tired of them too when you look back at Zoro's comment against I think Kaku in Egghead essentially saying he's tired of dealing with zoans. Though ngl, I still feel like Loki may not be the true antagonist of the arc, like design wise he's hardcore looking. But something about him just kinda gives me Katakuri vibes ig?
How about a feather paramecia type devil fruit? It would make Loki as light as a feather (possibly light enough to fly), able to tickle anyone with a single touch (so mischievous), and somehow give him an absurd ability like disguising himself/creating illusions with peacock feathers. With awakening, the illusions become real
I like Zoan fruits. Even made my own Mythical and Ancient models: Bird-Bird Fruit, Model: Stolas Ox-Ox Fruit, Model: Megaloceros Also, here's a wild idea... Mouse-Mouse Fruit, Model: Ratatoskr! Hear me out... why not make Loki the original Screwy Squirrel? Another Mythical Zoan with Toon Force powers?
The Surtur Idea actually fits very well with the sword being there now that you put it together like that and I would actually like to see how Luffy handles that since he isn't the best vs heat.
heres a wild idea which could link back why hardin would go for the flame flame fruit is that its a logia for the flames of Muspelheim as they are one of the sources of fire in norse mythology. it would also give us a look at how the fight with Akainu could go if he even fight the straw hats to begin with, or if this is the fruit it could be Hardin who fights him or who ever gets this fruit
the introduction of haki kinda turned logias into paramecias since with haki their intangibility is negated. But a motherflame base logia (or a substance generating paramecia) would turn Loki into a fire giant too, no Surtur fruit required
Talking about a logia relating to the sun, although it's not perfect, it could be a plasma logia, given that the sun is primarily made of plasma. Similar enough to fire/gas combined so it could be unique
Legendary Mother Flame Mera Mera Nomi is a very hyped theory. If we accept that Elbaf is one of the most Ancient Kingdom/Void Century affiliated kingdoms (and secluded from the World Government) they must keep some secrets from that time. And if Mother Flame is a replica of the ancient power source, then we have it with this devil fruit protected from the very giant royal family.
Oda can give and make Loki have the plasma plasma fruit or zuma zuma no mi canon(it was used in a non canon play show back in 2014) and be a callback or parallel to Enel as plasma can generate electricity or the user can use electric based attacks but also do much much more, its a logia power thats capable of destroying the world or would be ancient weapon level as Loki would be a walking mini Uranus just as Enel made the Arc Maxim look like Uranus a bit. We also had Nami strike Road in what seem to be a reference to Enel or what could be a forshadow for Loki as well
I know the scale of things in One Piece isn't consistent at all, but the stuff on Elbaph is insanely large. Compared to the Rode's castle and the rope bridge the sword must be several kilometers/miles long. The only creatures capable of wielding it would need to be as big as the Florian Triangle monsters. The cannons on the tree are hundreds of meters big, too. The tree itself is likely >10km tall, reaching sky island heights.
Think about lokis situation. he has been sitting there, chained up for years. he is probably getting fed by his jailors, which also means he has to poop. so he either is sitting there in his own waste and smelling the place up, or he has to squat over a bucket or something like that, when the jailors come around.
What would be really cool would be if Loki could change his size like how Luffy can. Like adopt the dark souls ideology where the closer the boss is to your size the more intense and powerful they are
theory: it's the mythical dog dog fruit model cerberos. that fits the fire part, chains and stuff can simultanously references fenrir and black beard will steal his fruit in the elbaf finale and causes the start of the blackbeard arc.
That line makes me think that Loki has a fire Logia even more now since its a red herring ppl would see as a matter of fact, it could be something oda can sneakily retcon or it would be ironic when he said that hajrudin didnt see Loki use the fruit/have no idea that the legendary devil fruit is a fire logia
To answer your question Ragnarok is both, already happened and is going to happen, all the events are already foreseen and thats why Odin is so obsessed in stoping it, Thinks of it like an spiral where you are able to see whats bellow or ahead of you, but as much as you run you cannot reach it.
There's a strange part of me that hopes it's a Paramecia. like a Weapon-Weapon Fruit: Model Mjolnir or some such. I know it doesn't have ties to the sun or anything but it could be really fun. If he could control the hammer weight to be either his or the weight of an actual hammer it could even be a play on "only the worthy can lift me"
The only reason I cannot believe that Loki ate the actual gomu-gomu no mi is due to Vegapunk saying that the fruit doesn't exist in the old devil fruit encyclopedia. As much as I would love that fight, it's just hard to see that as reality now.
Maybe the gum gum hasn't been discovered, cause how did they come up with that name in the first place?
@@Memelord1117 i mean go through the df encyclopedia and pick a name thats not there lol
If there was such a fruit with the king of giants, Saul would have known and there would have been a record on Ohara... And VP has read all the books on Ohara @@Memelord1117
@@Memelord1117Coming up with a name isn't hard.....just saying.
@@Memelord1117 and it would be a very well kept secret since the fruit would only be passed down through the ruling family of Elbaf, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be in the encyclopedia
my guess as to why it feels like Logia fruit users haven't really done much lately is because 2 of our largest antagonist are Logia users being Sakazuki and Blackbeard. So Oda might be holding off on that for now
Agreed. Not to mention Dragon is very likely a Logia user too, and boy has Oda been saving him for the end XD.
There are no less than SIX prominent wolves in Norse Mythology, and Skoll is the one that is trying/supposed to “devour the sun”, NOT Fenrir… that’s just “wiki scholars” conflating mythological wolves.
Hito hito no mi model surtur.
Makes the most sense. If I recall correctly in certain legends he's said to be the primary reason to Ragnarok happening or at least one of them. It would also make sense with the Will of the Devil Fruit since it has to uphold to prophecy about destroying the world.
Nhl, just had the same thought. If Hajrudin had gotten Aces's fruit he would have become a fire giant... A FIRE GIANT
If we're assuming that Loki's fruit is similar in any kind of way, that's one step towards Surtr already
Add that to wanting to destroy the world, Loki and Surtr being basically the beginning and end of Ragnarok, and the GIANT SWORD SITTING RIGHT THERE... yeah, the chances of a Surtr fruit are quite high
So Imu must be some kind of rain deity? Rising water levels and stuff
@@NameHerbertQuetzalcoatl perhaps? Would be a snake too
I think the same. I could also see why they needed every giant to stop him. Surtur is considered a giant fire demon or fire giant. It would be the equivalent of Sanjuan Wolf and his Huge-Huge Fruit, but even more OP with an even more OP person using a fruit that makes you bigger. I think we might get a hint at it being surtur if we see one or two giants with burns.
no it doesnt make any sense surtur and loki are distinct persons in norse mytholodgy
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The whole final saga is going to be full of logia tho. Blackbeard, Kuzan, Akainu, Sabo, Aramaki, Kizaru, Crocodile and maybe even Caribou
And possibly final boss enel
As I understand it Ragnarok has already happened and will happen again as the world will repeat itself, like a cycle of life and death, Ragnarok destroys the World tree and after that the world is remade and the World tree grows once again.
There's 2 points wrong with the Gomu Gomu no Mi theory.
1. The World Government knew they had the Nika fruit until Shanks' crew stole it. That was why Who's Who was imprisoned.
2. Vegapunk has stated there is no Gomu Gomu no Mi in the original Devil Fruit encyclopedia.
Well it's still possible that it's not in the encyclopedia because Elbaph is in a similar state as Wano and the real Gomu Gomu no mi has been falsely worshipped for hundreds of years
@@HappyChap9 It wasn`t in the old Devil Fruit Encyclopedia because the WG renamed it after finding out it`s true Powers and to hinder anyone from getting it, they just named it after its basic Traits..Being Rubber, hence the Gomu Gomu no Mi..Vegapunk didn`t have any clue how it looked like so he was only able to search for it by Name..That`s why the Gomu Gomu no Mi wasn`t in the Old Book, but the Hito Hito no Mi Model: Nika (it`s original Name) was, that`s how the WG found out about it and since very few have the Old One besides WG, Elbaph and Vegapunk, they could rename it into the Gomu Gomu no Mi (and printing it in the New Book which was edited and published by the WG to take out Void Century-Fruits of higher Meaning of the Book) without anyone knowing it`s true Origin and hunting it down..Till Shanks came around.
@@HappyChap9why would the real sun god fruit be in there, if your logic is correct?
@@OhMyItsEli because the people in elbaph thought they had it ig
I think there was an instance when the true nature of Luffy's DF was revealed where the Gorosei went like "there never was a Gomu Gomu no Mi".
Like yeah they represent peoples' dreams and people can wish to be rubbery but it would be super weird for the world government's head honchos to not be aware of this fruit and then accidentally pass off a god fruit as this fruit that also exists but they dont know about.
Jarul is 408, giants would enter the void century in terms of their age in a MERE two generations.
It's passed down as an heirloom by a royal family in a separatist country, unlike most other fruit that would be popping up all over the place in the span of 800 years, it makes sense that it would be undocumented by any text Vegapunk has ever read, or even the WG.
@@leafshade3643 You are assuming that prior to the void century devil fruits didnt exist. Sure, the oldest confirmed uses we know are from the void century (hito hito model nika, toki toki no mi, Imu's fruit(assuming it is a fruit) and the Ope ope no mi all have been consumed or used in that time, maybe I'm forgetting one or 2 since Ryuma could have lived during that time and the dragon he killed was a devil fruit user). But there is nothing telling us Devil Fruits didnt exist at all prior to that. Yeah, there is an implication that either Imu or Joyboy (or both) are responsible for creating devil fruits, but other than that, it could have been prior to both existing too.
@@leafshade3643 Oh thats a good point.
Wild guess, he has sun sun fruit ( paramecia )
Does that mean he can become sun?
Maybe Escanor style?
Or like an odemheim fruit, cosmic energy, manipulates light colour ultra violet etc
Or could be nuke nuke fruit
@@hemmatdahal yeah maybe the awakening is literally transforming to an invincible sun
@@lovseaexplorationThe return of Foxy...
The devil fruits on Elbaf could be more Logia-based. Since Whole Cake Island was filled with Big Mom's crew having Paramecia-based powers, while Wano we had Kaido's crew with Zoan-based powers.
That's just my theory
Maybe like a logia mimicking them the Sun. The Sun Sun Df. That would be insane and I'd definitely see why Loki would call himself the Sun God.
Honestly, this route would definitely be cool to see. I could see Loki thinking he is the Sun God because he has a logia df that turns him into solar plasma. The Sun Sun Df.
I think it's a Legendary Paramecia. If this Loki is anything similar to Marvel's Loki, then he is about trickery and deception. He utilizes illusions, shape-shifting, hypnosis, and telepathy. He can also levitate, teleport, create dimensional rifts, and manipulate objects with his mind. Loki from Marvel also came from Frost Giants, and is also "competing" to be king with a fellow peer, so there is a lot of similarities here.
@@thatboy3930 Adding in that Marvel copy/pasted that from actual Mythology, so it's not just Marvel. Learned this the other night by losing trivia to a mythology question. I Thought Thor was just a marvel character and not actually the "god of thunder" lmao. I had my friend that studies multiple variants of mythology (greek, norse, etc.) and he did mention Loki being a frost giant, about being god of trickery, etc... One thing he did mention (and I could be remembering this wrong, as well as too lazy to google it myself), was that he killed his father in norse mytholgy, but the being tied to a tree part came from greek mytholgy, also that he killed his brother instead of his father. This was bar talk so naturally I'm not remembering everything but I remember thinking they could build up a moment where Loki kills his brother (Hajrudin in this case) as my friend explained everything to me.
@@xXsnak3bit3Xx I'm sure Oda will put his own spin on it, similar to what Stan Lee did with his iteration of it.
he has the Fear Fear fruit. Nothing would be more legendary to a kingdom of warriors obsessed with bravery and pride. the fruit might give the user control over others fear. plus it will fit with Usopp's quest to overcome fear and become a brave warrior. fits thematically
Usopp is gonna have a bigger and better "you can't stop me, I already live I'm fear all the time!"
Honestly, it would be SO much funnier if he had a fear-fear fruit that just induced fear towards the user if their will is weaker and gives the user control over everyone that fears him. But he is the nicest guy around and doesnt realize he is actively manipulating people because he doesnt understand how the fruit works.
Loki being a perona parrallel isnt what i was expecting but okay
Not working on anyone with YC1+ haki
If this was True that he Has the Fear-Fear Fruit Just Imagine He Could Manifest A Will So Powerful That He Could Actually Become That Will, Unless someone has Weird Fears And Loki Just Becomes A Looney Toon Anything is possible it's one piece.
Some mythology info- Ragnarok is implied to have happened, BUT only because the primary source we have on the myth was written by someone trying to create a shared norse cultural identity (he wanted his native iceland to join up with norway) and everything he wrote has to be examined for bias due to that. For example after ragnarok bauldur and his brother show up again (they died long before ragnarok) along with 2 humans in an adam and eve situation, and several points in the book refer to a god of light and everything good in a way that is clearly shoehorning in christianity, while in other places it uses all the good things Baldur is associated with to create a similar parallel, ie the world ends but no worries we have the god of all the good stuff still hear, with some humans to repopulate. This also points to Snorri, writing the whole thing with Ragnarok intended to be a good thing, a cleansing apocalypse that paves the way for the good world we currently live in.
Other notes- Fenrir doesn't eat the sun or moon, Skoll and Hati do, I forget if they are fenrir or loki's kids but they aren't Fenrir.
I love you mentioned the big snake... as you know, when giants used their last attack against giant goldfish... they mentioned it is one and only thing their attack cannot pierce ("Great serpent soaked in blood", chapter 129).
I think that was referring to the Red Line, wasn't it?
3:25 this is actually an interesting question. Short answer, we don't know.
We know actually rather little about norse mythology, despite what one might think with the ammount of it we have in pop culture, .
There are arguments that can be made that Ragnarok already happend, but the things pointing to that could be additions made by christian monks. The version we have does end with only 2 humans surviving and Baldr coming back to life, a god of purity and light. This is extremly christian coded and could have beend included to explain to the population why they should worship this "new" god now.
Funnily enough Loki himself is a very paradoxical figure in the mythology. To a point where one could raise the question if he was originally part of norse mythology, or a later edition by christian monks aswell.
i take it you're subscribed to red as well?
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Poor blue
@@-ZH eh, blue's the history guy. red is in charge of myths. but yeah, I guess they both deserve recognition.
Why hasnt anyone mentioned that last chapter from little garden when dorry and broggy bust a hole in the giant goldfish, and before that they say ,,only the serpent soaked in blood can withstand our attack,, . They believe he killed his father, therefore hes soaked in blood.
I am convinced they are talking about Loki, but could this mean he also has the jormugandr fruit?
I think it's because It's not possible for them to have known about Loki's powers by then. They were fighting for a hundred years in Little Garden and Loki wasn't even born yet. So in Little Garden It was not possible for them to know about Loki's existence neither his powers.
@@MugiGust you are right. Just checked, hes 63y old. But im still intrigued as to what serpent soaked in blood means.
Yeah, I lot of people overlook that Oda revealed Loki'a age a long time ago. He's 63, like Goldberg and Road, so he was born long after Dorry and Broggy started their 100-year duel in Little Garden.
Ie they didn't even know Loki existed during the Little Garden arc.
I find it hard to be the Gomu Gomu no Mi as Vegapunk seemed to be fairly certain that such a fruit doesn’t exist. Unless it’s a fruit with similar stretchy powers but a totally different name like the Stretchy Stretchy Fruit or something.
We still have no clear idea why the weird errors were happening in the Lego castle, right? Why Luffy’s weapon kept changing, why Nami’s bracelet disappeared, Zoro didn’t get lost, and that one panel when they attacked the cat that clearly referenced an earlier attack from Alabasta, etc. If that wasn’t an effect from Road himself, perhaps Loki’s fruit subtly alters reality and brings stories to life but is imperfectly used so long as he is chained up?
Here's a possibility, the real Gomu Gomu no mi is unrecorded because the fruit has been falsley worshipped by Elbaphians for hundreds of years. I believe the issue on Elbaph isn't about a big bad but rather false gods on Elbaph, and Luffy becoming their real sun god.
I think a paramecia type trickster fruit would be cool.
Obviously Loki is known as the trickster god of norse mythology but it goes deeper than that. The trickster uses his reality bending powers to play cruel tricks on people that only make himself laugh, this trait would make him a perfect false Nika who also breaks the rules of reality but spreads joy and laughter to others.
Loki already sounds amazing as a antagonist or whatever force he's gonna be/represent, but ever since Gear 5th came and Oda stated that he only wants to draw what's fun for him, I trust that it'll be a really good showdown... I'm so glad I lived through all of One Piece to be able to even witness moments like these though
Here's an idea, what if Loki has the plasma plasma fruit. Ceasar has the gas gas fruit, so we know that "states of matter" fruits exist, and he hard counters smokers who is a type of gass user. So why not have a plasma fruit that counters fire, light, electricity (3 very stong logia fruits) and stars which includes the sun
Correction; The official interprets (not confirms, they are not accuracy checked by Shueisha after all, and are more often than not the incorrect translation between official and scans) it as that is what is said, and if so the only thing it confirms is that the Elbaf Pirates are under the belief Loki ate the fruit.
I want Loki to have the true gum-gum fruit...can you imagine, he's freed by Luffy not knowing he's a bad guy
some giants show up to try and stop him, and we just have Loki stretch his arm back and shout "GUM-GUM PISTOL!" (or something other than pistol) and just watch Luffy be so surprised at seeing Loki do what he can do
This is easily the most prolific "theory" on his fruit I have seen by far (and I'm in a lot of OP related discussion spaces) and tbh no, that'd make this awesome character intro a damn gag, no ty. Idk. Would be sorta funny but I doubt oda would tbh
@@BlitzedKip420 Don't worry, that won't happen. These guy seems to collectively have forgotten that Vegapunk confirmed that there is no such thing as a gomu gomu no mi.
@@tobiaswedin well that wasnt discovered right so gum gum could exist but i doubt we will see it
@@dominijlife6765 No, the context of that speech was to confirm that the entire concept of a rubber fruit is a fraud.
I think the rubber fruit definitely exists somewhere out there
Thank you again liam, the timing is amazing like 15 minutes ago.
I think him having a Devil Fruit that either allows him to create whatever he imagines (sorta like a better version of the Art Fruit) or manipulate people's perception and create illusions (like Aizen) would be fitting for someone to call themselves a Sun God. Also the fight between him and Luffy would be so wacky and crazy where Oda would be free to create whatever he imagines.
I just HOPE Loki will NOT have another zoan. I'm tired of them. I hope in a paramecia too tbh. I think they are usually the most creative type but can't imagine what power could be.. Or maybe, wouldbe cool to see the awakening of a rogia from him!
I want him to have a Paramecia because, yes, I'm also a bit tired of Zoans, but also, Liam didn't mention we're set to have so many Logia users gather during the final arcs, which is probably why Oda has been holding back on them for now.
Akainu, Kizaru, Kuzan, Green Bull, Blackbeard, Crocodile, Sabo, Karasu, and maybe Dragon if it's true he has the Wind Logia. All of them are set as big participants during the final conflict, which is probably why Oda has been focusing on the other 2 types for a while.
It's also possible that Loki's fruit has no relation at all to Norse Mythology but is a power that is simple assumed to be something Myth related, kinda like how Giants are often tied into Norse Mythology when in reality, they had nothing to do with. The Giants are from Greek Mythology, they were created by Gaia to be the antithesis to the Olympian gods. What people often mistake for Giants in Norse Mythology were called Jotnar, who were not giants, but the antithesis of the Aesir/Vanir gods.
My theory is that Loki has a Jotuun jotuun no mi that gives him the power to affect the environment and give those who look into his eyes to be given illusions and tricked.
This could probably be linked to jormungandir as a zoan model
And he could probably use ice as a narrative antithesis to Sun God aspect of the gomu gomu no mi and in ragnarök Midgard snowed like crazy hence the heavy snow in elbaf and around Loki.
Everyone's talking only about what Loki's devil fruit is (which I do want to know), but I'm also interested in how exactly this devil fruit is "passed down" through the royal family. How does that work exactly? When a king dies, does everyone look through all the trees, fruit stores and kitchens in the kingdom in hopes of finding the one that turned into the devil fruit? Is it even confirmed that a DF reincarnates in the same island it's previous user died? I think it happened with Smiley, but who knows if it's always that way.
I'm pretty curious about how that works, and I think it could be an interesting video.
For me, it's a fruit that makes his listeners believe his stories. So GOD Lysop is going to out lie him, in so becoming the legendary warrior lyspo acknowledged by all giants.
2:30 if oda plans it that far back it’s incredible!
The mother flame logia idea is amazing as it would also explain why harudin wanted the fame fruit as the next best option, the flame fruit would just be the true weaker version instead of the magma, or it could be seen as the mother flame fruit is superior to the magu magu no mi
Tbh, I personally would not want to see another "superior version" of the fire Logia. Kinda diminishes it's role. I think one (magma) is enough.
I've been looking through sun myths in various cultures and noticed how it's quite common for myths to talk about how the sun is driven by a chariot across the sky. I've found atleast three. In greek mythology it's Helios the personified sun riding across the sky in a chariot, in germanic/norse mythology it's Sol I believe who drives the chariot of the sun as punishment for being named after the sun and in Hindu mythology it's Aruna driving a chariot carrying the personified sun Surya.
What if Loki's power is related to said chariot? I could see the Chariot of the Sun being a paramecia fruit that aside from creating a massive chariot also has the power to control all kinds of flames. There could even be a connection to Joyboy/Nika if back in the void century or whenever Nika was around the chariot was Joyboy's/Nika's ship or rather vehicle. Luffy has the Sunny, Roger had the Oro Jackson and Joyboy/Nika was travelling in the Chariot of the Sun. The way the giants rever the sun god they would certainly call the fruit used by their giant ancestor to carry Nika in his chariot a legendary fruit. And depending on how much of the details of history have been lost Loki could easily believe that the chariot would make him the actual sun god.
As for powers and visuals I'd say Loki fighting with Luffy in a crazy fast chariot burning with flames would be pretty epic especially if those flames were hot enough to destroy an island similar to one of the ancient weapons. Which it very well could do if the chariot was used to control a flame based logia user or Vegapunk's mother flame. And it would be something completely different from the many zoan and logia we've had recently.
I came in thinking loki might have some kind of logia that is related to the sun, basically one upping the magma fruit, like the plasma-plasma fruit, but now I also want loki to be a gomu-gomu eater as well.
Funny enough, theoretically, there exists a plasma fruit already.
It's used in an official one-piece play.
Like, a theater play, yk?
Nuke nuke fruit since the sun is made of those explosions
Or odemheim fruit
Since the ancient kingdom was so advanced, nuclear energy might have been common place way back 800 years ago. If we're going off the idea of Loki wielding the raw power of the sun, paramecia that turns Loki into a reactor that can fire off entire solar flares would be pretty fitting and unique. I'm assuming in One Piece it would take the form of a bunch of high power lasers and explosions like Godzilla style.
I called it right now, it's gonna be logia water
Maybe he has a df which gives him reality altering powers? Only caveat is him needing to use his vision to alter reality ? Or maybe a mythical zoan model chimera devil fruit where he’s a mix of wolf , a snake and a horse?🤔
Didn't vegapunk say that he never saw the gomu gomu no mi in any encyclopaedia?
I say it's the Cloud-Cloud fruit. It's powerful, you can make blizzards, storms etc. And one would probably look more Nika-ish.
3:23 this is solely based on one source i'm familiar with, so take it with a grain of salt, but, while the events of ragnarok are described as being merely visions of odin for an upcoming event, our modern world probably exists in a post ragnarok area.
the events post ragnarok are suspiciously christianity inspired, with the world being destroyed and repopulated by the only two remaining people, a man and a woman (obvious parallels to adam and eve), and the surviving divine beings coming together under the leadership of the revived baldr, a god of justice and goodness, nicknamed "the shining one" (obvious parallels both to jesus's resurrection and to the christian god).
so the basic idea is that the old gods died during ragnarok, and that after ragnarok the new christian pantheon and our current world order came into power.
now, it's important to remember that we don't really have much first-hand information about the original nordic beliefs, and most of what we have is a propaganda piece, written by a guy in order to try to reunite iceland and norway, so he probably wrote it in such a manner to pacify both sides and combine the two religions into one continuous narrative.
interesting idea about ragnarok (sorry if this was already mentioned): it would be interesting if the giants saw the red line as a sort of world serpent, which would also tie into the idea of ragnarok beginning with the world serpent releasing its tail from its mouth, or in the case of one piece, the red line being destroyed, just like Shyarly said would happen in the fishman island saga, thus triggering ragnarok aka the last big war previously mentioned by kaido after whitebeards death… (regardless of whether or not this is going to be canon, it sounds like an interesting idea to me)
11:52 "Loki ate the true gomu gomu no mi" -> sadly not possible cause Vegapunk referred in the lucci vs luffy fight that there is no gomu gomu no mi in the ancient devil fruit encyclopedia
dont you think thats because its been in elbaf far away from anyone else as it was passed down from king to king, i dont think its the gum gum fruit pursonally tho
How would they know gomu gomu no mi exists if it was held far away within royal family of giants, for hundreds of years?
Unless vegapunk was talking about books BEFORE void century, then yeah
How would Vegapunk know for certain there isn't a real Gomu gomu?
Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence.
As a kid I read a lot of Norse myths that felt like we live in a post Ragnarök world. Specifically I remember a picture in the end of one book showing Baldurs prophesied return after Ragnrök in a garden walking up to a man and a woman feeling very similar to bible genesis imagery. So the myths read kind of like a prequel to the bible.
It’s worth noting that texts of the Norse myths that has survived were almost exclusively written down by Christians in Scandinavia to preserve their history. So most myths we hear and read now have already passed through a Christian filter.
Agreed on the mythical zoan fatigue... I want the creative devil fruits to come back for the antagonist.
Wabol devil fruit was creative, but no one is praising that
Two things:
1) I'm getting similar vibes from Loki and what he did to his father, as I got from Blackbeard when he took Thatches fruit. There is heavy emphasis that the fruit was obtained by eating the prior user.
2) Until proven otherwise my favorite fruit idea is that Sun God is just a title for the king of Elbaph and that his actual devil devil fruit is a mythical zoan of a Nidhog, the dragon that threatens the death of the world tree. So it's not a fruit that can end the whole world, just a fruit that's specifically designed to kill the Giant's world, Yggdrasil.
What if he had a sun logia, if greenbull can have a forest logia, then Loki could have a sun logia
how would that work? nuclear powers?
wouldnt everything around him just like dissapear from the heat 😭
I still don't understand why Greenbull's fruit is considered Logia when it seems far closer to a Special Paramecia like Katakuri's Mochi fruit. It's not like Logia are mandatory for Admirals since Fujitora has a gravity based Paramecia.
@@Ashtarte3D the point is that what we used to think logia's was just elements like sand and fire but Greenbull changed that with is forest fruit, so maybe like how paramecia's have special paramecia's and zoan's have mythic and ancient, maybe there are standard logia's that have just one element then there are ones like Greenbulls where it represents an environment or parts of nature and have extra powers associated with that, like a mountain logia or a sky logia (i couldn't think of any good examples)
also I've just remembered Caribous swamp fruit so maybe i'm onto something lol
I think it being the actual gomu gomu no mi would make sense because it would be a good entry point to introduce the straw hats to the hito hito no mi and give them an actual explanation to gear 5
The hito hito no no model the godliest god usopp
I saw a theory video on this, and it makes so much sense. Back in Little Garden, where we met Dorry and Bragi, they told us that they worship their God of War Elbaph. This deity is important enough in Giant culture as it is their top deity that is even above Nika. This prmonance makes me thing that the fruit Loki ate... Is the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Elbaph!
You always know how to make a great video!
I kinda thought it would be awesome if Prince Loki got a devil fruit that was one upgraded/stronger than Enels.
Devil Fruit Model - Thor. It would be like Enels, but able to give stronger lightning attacks and the lightning attacks was able to super heat things. So a rubber ability wouldnt be a problem.
Or a Devil Fruit Model - Odin.
Also, Black Beard may have a Logia. But he dosnt get the traditional Logia abilities. Unless he always thought he didnt. But he just needed to work on gaining the ability bc its harder with his devil fruit. Like the ability where non haki based attacks have no damage. It would make sense. Bc you really dont see or hear or even think BlackBeard would be a type to “train.”
And to get that ability where non haki attacks just pass right through a logia user, they did say it takes work. Bc its something you have to allow. So unless you think about it, and let it happen and im assuming timing plays a great deal. Attacks wont go through a logia user. So whatever oart of your body thats being attacked, you have to make that part become intangible. So it could just be that BlackBeards devil fruit is harder to learn to do that.
I don’t think the mother flame fruit could exist, because vegapunk said the fruits were made from desires centuries ago, and the mother flame was invented recently
It definitely could, but not as the Mother Flame as we know it. Like if Loki had a fruit to create Fusion that would certainly be something all powerful while also being something science related that Vegapunk sought to create.
Great video like always❤
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The Surtur Devil Fruit is my vote. Between the fire connection and giant sword, it seems too coincidental
3:24 Okay so about your question, technically both and none of them. It might have happend and we dont know it or it will happen later down the line. I think what you belived mostly depended on where in the world the viking was from, their family ect. But more importantly in what I have seen in One Piece so far it hasnt happend yet in the One Piece verse. (Also im a norwegian man who is WAY to intrested in norse mythology so I should have some credibility.)
This is the comment I came looking for. Hopefully Liam highlights your reply
@abcdefg-gt1fk i go into more detail in my own comment, but it's very likely it already happened. post ragnarok events are suspiciously similar to christian beliefs, so the basic idea is that ragnarok already happened and in the after match christianity happened and everything in the bible are the events that transpired after ragnarok wiped the slates clean.
I was trying to think, I thought in the 'Christianisation' sort of butchering of these pagan norse myths (it happened to both Norse & Celtic beliefs) said that Ragnarok did occur and that only Baldr & two humans survived, implying that he becomes/ was the Christian god. I don't remember if it happened in actually norse mythology,
@@severalgeollosscreaming48 thing is we don't really have many texts from actual norse mythology, so all we have to go by are those christianitised myths, but you are indeed correct about your memory regarding those.
I love the idea it's a mixture of Fenrir and Sultan (sorry if I misspelled them) from Norse lore. Oda usually combines myths and legends to make his characters and him being tied up in chains is exactly how Fenrir was in the lore, and according to the lore not only does he kill Odin but when he is realeased Ragnarok will be begin. Also Finrir is known for killing Odin (Loki killed his dad which we all assume to be Odin) Add the giant sword that Surtar is usually dipected with (think Thor Love and Thunder from Marvel) and Elpath just so happens to have a giant sword. Mix those 2 together and we have One Piece Loki
What if someone in the One piece would theoretically “eat butt” would they acquire DF powers
I think you're having a stroke
You can say ate ass. Ate butt makes people think you're 12 years old on your mom's computer, typing quickly before she comes back from buying lotto scratchers
Funniest thing about this comment is that it’s edited. Like you really tried here bruh 😂
@@LiterallyAnythingg dyslexic moments 👍😊
@@LiterallyAnythingg oh no someone edited their comment they must try really hard😮
Given the narrative that’s been followed through the arc, I think Loki’s devil fruit is whatever war god the giants worship. Looking at Norse Mythology, the surface level answer would be Týr, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if the god they worship is the namesake of their island, Elbaph.
The giants' God of War is indeed called Elbaf. It was revealed back in the Little Garden arc. I looked it up recently in the original Japanese and it quite clearly mentions the god by name. Seeing as the island shares the name of their war god, it would be fitting for a fruit of their god to also be passed down in the royal family.
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I think Loki's fruit will give him toon force powers similar to what Luffy uses. Maybe a paramicia but I'd be sad if the God of mischief didn't have a wacky cartoon fight with Luffy.
Remember that they teased that Joy Boy was a giant, with Imu visiting the original straw hat that was huuuuuuge!
That might have been to foreshadow that the fruits got mixed up and Loki indeed has the Gomu gomu no mi instead of Hito hito no mi model Nika! :o
Except Vegapunk confirmed that the gomu gomu no mi doesn't exist.
Joy boy wasn’t that big in the iron giant flashback
@@tobiaswedin No, he confirmed it's in no devil fruit encyclopedias.
Jarul is 408, giants would enter the void century in terms of their age in a MERE two generations.
It's passed down as an heirloom by a royal family in a separatist country, unlike most other fruit that would be popping up all over the place in the span of 800 years, it makes sense that it would be undocumented by any text Vegapunk has ever read.
@@leafshade3643 The thing is, my point actually has some basis in what was written in the story and the purpose for why it was written, while you guys are just reaching with assumptions to even have a footholding to start fantasizing about a fruit that has not been explained or foreshadowed in the slightest.
@@tobiaswedin He literally never said it didn't exist, only that it's not in books.
Almost every fruit would show up several times in a 800 year span, but one passed down solely by creatures that live 400 years each? Not so much. Literally no reason for it to be in a book.
I'm on the Syrtur camp. Ever since we saw the giant sword. But.....his eye bandages make me weary..... I could see a Hymdall fruit being used. It gives him an unlocked advanced future sight. (Which is why Shanks had to learn his ability to stop future sight) And a nasty portal/bifrost ability.
I like Morj's theory that it's the Hito Hito No Mi model Elbaph, as in the warrior God that Dorry and Broggy worshipped on little garden
Now this is what I needed today!
I think his devil Fruit would reflect his Norse Mythology routes. I think a giant wolf would be perfect for him because like you said, Mythical DFs can do anything you want. If you Google "Norse Mythology Loki Powers," You first get some basic stuff like super strength, stamina, intelligence and is a master Swordsman. All that is something he could already have, no DF required. But dig deeper and we see Shapeshifting, Illusion casting, Sorcery and even electric manipulation. The legendary wolf powers could give him electric powers like the Mink tribe, but the shapeshifting, Illusions and sorcery can be grouped into one and can be cast from his eyes. That's why he's blindfolded.
The way the story has changed what even is the difference between Logia and Paramecia fruits anymore now that we have awakening. I would've thought Katakuri was the perfect example of a logia antagonist post time skip but he doesn't count as one because..... ?? If new characters have to come in having awakened their devil fruit to be at the same power as the crew then everyone is just a 'logia' now
10:50 Smokers seastone jutte only needed a coin sized surface area to stop powers.
A single link or manacles covered in Sea stone should be enough to restrain a logis user.
I dont know why this video gave me the idea, but I have a sudden thought on how Blackbeard has multiple fruits, and it *IS* because of the Yami Yami no mi. Hear me out:
We learned from Vegapunk that Devil Fruits are "a creation of dreams," or something along those semantics. I always interpreted that to mean theye quite literally man-made, and the creator/creators were using peoples desires to decide what fruit to make. I.e. John from two towns over need to keep his kilns lit, so they made the mera mera no mi.
Continueing the Yami Yami thought; what if the creators made sure to intentionally put the 1-limit rule in them, and being heavier than water was already a side effect that just didnt matter at the time (until the oceans were weaponized). But for some reason, the creator of the Yami Yami no mi didnt set that limitation?
If these are creations of intelligent design, then their draw backs mightve been intentional. What if someone broke that law by creating the Yami Yami no mi? Its already a hellish fruit that counters other fruits, and is an antithesis of the Nika fruit by absorbing light, and nullifying fruit powerd. And if BB is an archeologist orf orts, he mightve discovered this, and thats how he knew he could steal more fruits.
One more piece of blind speculation: If the devil fruits were a trade secret, that would make the Yami Yami no MI an illegal fruit of sorts, which continues to play into it being anti-fruit, and anti-nika.
The fruit swap idea could be cool but I still like my idea which is kind of similar to the idea of being the Mother Flame: Loki has the Fusion fruit. Instead of being purely light or purely fire he can fuse ambient elements into unimaginably hot light sources, you know, like a Sun. We already know the Magma supersedes Flame in One Piece because of a certain donut because the intensity of heat needed to melt rock is more than generally lighting things on fire. So what is hotter than that? FUSION.
I think it's a cold or like weather related fruit. One of the calling signs of Ragnarok is fimbulwinter, and Loki being freed and using his fruit to cause this would make sense since it'd mark the beginning of the "end" the other giants believed he'd bring about. Also, "hai rue den" (idk how to spell his name) wanted a fire fruit, which would be the perfect counter to something cold based.
What if the legendary devilfruit Loki ate gave him the epiphet 'marked by flames' in relation to his fruit (given the parameters its a legendary fruit, related to the sun or some (sun)god deity)). Maybe Loki has a road poneglyphe simply for the reason he knows he needs those to start what eventually turns the world upside down or in his mind ragnarok. On the other hand im just completely baked.
In Norse mythology we see different types of giants: frost, fire, etc. Perhaps, the fruit handed down is a "giant giant fruit model: fire giant". Essentially scaling up Loki to an insane size and giving him fire powers in the process. Something/someone has to be big enough to swing that sword stuck in the island. This solves the legendary status, the fire related item, and the sun god relation.
4:36 the way Loki was chained up made me think of Fenrir
I’ve seen a theory saying it might be Hito Hito no mi: model Elbaph, meaning the user is able to transform into the Warrior God Elbaph, which was mentioned all the way back by Dorry and Broggy in Littlegarden. (Unfortunately I do not remember the channel I’ve seen this theory) I think that might be very possible, but I absolutely love this Gomu and Nika fruit swap, since Luffy got his “Gomu” fruit by Shanks, who is also an ally of the giants, so he could easily access this fruit. Though possibly meaning that both Nika and Gomu fruits were being guarded by the giants and making it harder to explain both Vegapunk’s dialogue where he says there’s no such thing as a “Gomu Gomu fruit”, instead that being the Nika fruit (which means this one was in the records), and the gorosei dialogue where they state that Zoan fruits have some kind of own will, as they seemed to be “escaping” the world government.
My guess is he ate the plasma plasma fruit, a logia that turns the user into star plasma. Stars aren't fire, they're made of an assortment of elements that smash into each other at high speed due to tremendous gravity. It isn't just hot, it gives off loads of radiation, so it would make him extremely difficult to fight.
Fun fact: we've already had a reference to Joemungandr! The gates above the river up Reverse Mountain depict a massive serpent! It's my opinion that Jormungandr, or some other massive danger noodle, was responsible for creating the Red Line.
Something to keep in mind is that in Skypea, the big snake was referred as the Sun God. So the World Snake fruit could actually make all the sense in the world
I'm halfway through the video, not sure if it was brought up later or in the comments. Sorry if it was
I really like the idea of loki having a sun sun fruit, then similar to your mother flame idea, having the actual sun vs the symbolic meaning of the sun
The mother flame is most likely a nuclear fusion type reaction and not combustion like fire, so I propose Logia DM Nuclear-Nuclear no Mi, giving power over Atoms itself, including but not limited to, matter transmutation, atomic explosion, and ionizing radiation causing mutations (not cancer) but evolution like *turning a cat into a lion*
If we were to be dealing with a Logia-type fruit. I would LOVE for it to be some kind of Rune-Rune fruit, a fruit that lets you sort of become prophetic, Odin hung himself above the well of Mimir for days to unlock the power of the runes in an attempt to change his fated death at ragnorok. How neat would it be to have another sort of "Contained" Logia like Blackbeard (Who isn't covering as large an area as possible with his abilities but rather using them like tool-esque extensions of himself) where Loki could look into the past or future to get the leg up on others or even give THEM a false vision of something to be. True to the trickster name :) Also there is like 0% chance of it happening but if he is a logia I'm starting the Loki for Nakama banner :P
perfect! i just finish your other video in calm belt so im looking for another video and this get recommended to me by youtube.. youtube knows me best
I liked the idea of Jorgmungandr on a thematic parallel, however you're totally right that we have had way too many mythicals as of late.
And I kinda think Oda is tired of them too when you look back at Zoro's comment against I think Kaku in Egghead essentially saying he's tired of dealing with zoans.
Though ngl, I still feel like Loki may not be the true antagonist of the arc, like design wise he's hardcore looking.
But something about him just kinda gives me Katakuri vibes ig?
How about a feather paramecia type devil fruit? It would make Loki as light as a feather (possibly light enough to fly), able to tickle anyone with a single touch (so mischievous), and somehow give him an absurd ability like disguising himself/creating illusions with peacock feathers.
With awakening, the illusions become real
I like Zoan fruits. Even made my own Mythical and Ancient models:
Bird-Bird Fruit, Model: Stolas
Ox-Ox Fruit, Model: Megaloceros
Also, here's a wild idea... Mouse-Mouse Fruit, Model: Ratatoskr! Hear me out... why not make Loki the original Screwy Squirrel? Another Mythical Zoan with Toon Force powers?
The Surtur Idea actually fits very well with the sword being there now that you put it together like that and I would actually like to see how Luffy handles that since he isn't the best vs heat.
heres a wild idea which could link back why hardin would go for the flame flame fruit is that its a logia for the flames of Muspelheim as they are one of the sources of fire in norse mythology. it would also give us a look at how the fight with Akainu could go if he even fight the straw hats to begin with, or if this is the fruit it could be Hardin who fights him or who ever gets this fruit
the introduction of haki kinda turned logias into paramecias since with haki their intangibility is negated.
But a motherflame base logia (or a substance generating paramecia) would turn Loki into a fire giant too, no Surtur fruit required
Talking about a logia relating to the sun, although it's not perfect, it could be a plasma logia, given that the sun is primarily made of plasma. Similar enough to fire/gas combined so it could be unique
Loki has the dog dog fruit model Chihuahua. He turns into the smallest dog ever but he sure is a fearsome foe
i love when one piece youtubers talk so confidently then end up wrong...
keep making the vids they fire
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Legendary Mother Flame Mera Mera Nomi is a very hyped theory. If we accept that Elbaf is one of the most Ancient Kingdom/Void Century affiliated kingdoms (and secluded from the World Government) they must keep some secrets from that time. And if Mother Flame is a replica of the ancient power source, then we have it with this devil fruit protected from the very giant royal family.
Oda can give and make Loki have the plasma plasma fruit or zuma zuma no mi canon(it was used in a non canon play show back in 2014) and be a callback or parallel to Enel as plasma can generate electricity or the user can use electric based attacks but also do much much more, its a logia power thats capable of destroying the world or would be ancient weapon level as Loki would be a walking mini Uranus just as Enel made the Arc Maxim look like Uranus a bit. We also had Nami strike Road in what seem to be a reference to Enel or what could be a forshadow for Loki as well
I know the scale of things in One Piece isn't consistent at all, but the stuff on Elbaph is insanely large. Compared to the Rode's castle and the rope bridge the sword must be several kilometers/miles long. The only creatures capable of wielding it would need to be as big as the Florian Triangle monsters. The cannons on the tree are hundreds of meters big, too. The tree itself is likely >10km tall, reaching sky island heights.
12:25 I love this idea of giant rubber man 😂
Think about lokis situation. he has been sitting there, chained up for years. he is probably getting fed by his jailors, which also means he has to poop. so he either is sitting there in his own waste and smelling the place up, or he has to squat over a bucket or something like that, when the jailors come around.
What would be really cool would be if Loki could change his size like how Luffy can. Like adopt the dark souls ideology where the closer the boss is to your size the more intense and powerful they are
theory: it's the mythical dog dog fruit model cerberos. that fits the fire part, chains and stuff can simultanously references fenrir and black beard will steal his fruit in the elbaf finale and causes the start of the blackbeard arc.
I dont think it is a Logia, because during Dressrosa Hajrudin said " have u seen a gaint that ate a logia devil fruit".
That line makes me think that Loki has a fire Logia even more now since its a red herring ppl would see as a matter of fact, it could be something oda can sneakily retcon or it would be ironic when he said that hajrudin didnt see Loki use the fruit/have no idea that the legendary devil fruit is a fire logia
To answer your question Ragnarok is both, already happened and is going to happen, all the events are already foreseen and thats why Odin is so obsessed in stoping it, Thinks of it like an spiral where you are able to see whats bellow or ahead of you, but as much as you run you cannot reach it.
There's a strange part of me that hopes it's a Paramecia. like a Weapon-Weapon Fruit: Model Mjolnir or some such.
I know it doesn't have ties to the sun or anything but it could be really fun. If he could control the hammer weight to be either his or the weight of an actual hammer it could even be a play on "only the worthy can lift me"