I had a close call in 2002 in Edinburgh, IN when I didn't pay attention. Had a train going by and I had only 40 feet to stop at 30 MPH. I came within 2 feet of hitting the train. I have been a lot careful since then.
The Escanaba & Lake Superior Railroad (reporting mark ELS) is a Class III shortline railroad that operates 347 miles (558 km) of track in Northeastern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.[1] Its main line runs 208 miles (335 km) from Rockland, Michigan, to Green Bay, Wisconsin, and it also owns various branch lines and out-of-service track.[1] In 1897, the Escanaba River Company built a seven-mile (11 km) railroad from Wells, Michigan, to tap a large hardwood timber stand at LaFave’s Hill.[2] In 1898, the company name was changed to the Escanaba & Lake Superior Railway (E&LS).
Normally I’d say this town needs gates but we all know where that would go! I’m out in California and even with gates the scofflaws just go around them!
That would have been a hell of a note...see IMFD refilling the locomotive, then responding to a Train vs Truck Crash with entrapment. Now, that would've been one exciting video.
If it was a steam loco with a pre-arranged stop for water on a long route, I could understand that, but for diesel loco to need water? Didn't the crew check their loco before the day's work? Nice to see the local drivers practicing for the Darwin award. Altogether, a fascinating video.
One would think the railroad would check the coolant level before leaving the depot. Unless it's extremely poorly maintained, it shouldn't drop enough to need refilling in a day.
I'm used to taking water from the Firefighters but for steam locomotives. With diesels I usually filled them up in the morning at the depot and that was enough for one or even more days of operation. But with a relatively light passenger train. So I assume the coolant consumption here is higher (while in automobiles you have hardly any)
FD responding to Walmart pan handler pileup. Over the years this was a typical thing for steam excursions and back in the day the railroad would take care of the Diesels but today with virtually no facilities left a call for assistance went out and IMFD to the rescue
I thought 1221 would need the water stop, not 502. That was a surprise. Interesting to note that 1221 still had the metal sign showing the locomotive's model designation.
Nice video! I enjoy your videos and love the way you record them. The picture is so crystal clear it makes me feel like I'm right there with you. Great job!!
Hmmm, flashing red lights usually mean something, either a fire truck responding to an accident or returning from a run, or a train coming down the tracks! Could you imagine trying to fill a train engine with water using a garden hose?
Actually a regular garden hose is used quite often to fill or top off radiator water for a diesel locomotive. I have used a garden hose to fill the 10,000 gallon tender on our steam locomotive.
I can say from experience some ppl don’t pay attention several times while responding to a call in both an ambulance and fire truck blasting the siren and horn ppl don’t see or hear some how and take forever to pull over
Could you imagine explaining that water usage to your water company, and the bill that would come with it filling up a diesel locomotive from your home garden hose? Because that just happened to be convenient for the crew to access and use. I wonder if the railroad would pay that portion of a homeowners water bill if a train crew had to do that under an emergency situation? And just the homeowners luck they'd get fined if it was a time while under water restrictions, and weren't supposed to use water on the day the locomotive needed the water. Geez, what a nightmare mess that could create for a homeowner whose home was directly next to the train tracks, and let the train crew water their locomotive.
@@billmorris2613I filled many a expansion tank and would rather have the smaller hose when an engine is low on water which usely trips the “ low water “ button …👍
I've always found it interesting trains don't use antifreeze. I understand the reason behind it, but interesting. That guy is lucky he had good brakes. Ya almost had the headline news reel right there. I understand the want for no horn zones, but I honestly believe it would be best to have some kind of warning horn as well as the bells and lights. It would be much safer. Especially in areas like here where they have multiple tracks, for freight, amtrax, and commuter trains. We have an area here where 6 trucks cross the road, 4 are very busy with commuter trains, and two are for freight. I can't tell ya the number of Tim's I see folks jump the lights only to have a close call with a train coming the opposite direction, or to have a freight train narrowly miss them.
Antifreeze destroys the bearings on older EMD engines. Some engines even had valves that automatically drained the cooling water onto the ground as the temp approached 32 degrees F.
Train (almost), fire truck and mee-mool lights *(o)T(o)* Great! Water for what? Coolant leak? No locomotive hornoise pollution! Slow meets requirments for Quiet Zone Crossings? Like the (NO LEFT TURN) lamp below the flashing yellow *(o)* . Thank you for your videos, Jason.
It still surprises me that a no-horn zone is allowed in the city...usually all crossing need to be upgraded under FRA rules including gates. This is either grandfathered in or something is a-miss. I wouldn't think these crossings meet regulations - a minimum shoudln't there be crossing gates at each crossing?
Gorgeous video! I have long wondered why the Escanaba & Lake Superior doesn’t use SD38-2s instead of SD40-2s. At the low speed operation of the E&LS, the SD40-2 turbo really doesn’t add any value to the performance of the locomotive and is just an expensive maintenance issue. The roots blower on the 38 is simpler to maintain than the turbo and likely lasts longer as well.
There have been a lot of SD40-2s available on the used market for cheap, SD38-2s are rarely available and more expensive when they are. Small railroads typically have to buy what they can afford, when they need it.
Something else to fix on 502, I gather. If it's operable, E&LS should pair their orange and green GP38 (401?) with 1221, and send 502 to the shop to fix the water leak. The SD9/GP38 combo would sound great!
If you pay attention to the shadows from the sun, they probably can’t see the crossing lights due to the angle of the sun. Then look at the blue building, there is an on-sight office trailer parked right next to the road. The driver wouldn’t have seen the train until after they passed that trailer. Can’t really blame the driver this time.
I never realized how small the fuel tanks are on an SD 9. I still think they need to pull her into the paint booth and put a nice new coat in her with fancy cursive writing to show the pride in this old girl
@jamessimms415 They did paint one of their GP38s into a GN inspired Omaha Orange and Pullman Green, complete with the railroad's name spelled out on the hood. If it's serviceable, I don't know why they're not using it.
This entire town is a no train horn zone. They’re also used out here in California but instead, there are stationary horn mounted to the crossing poles. You get a horn no matter what. I’ve never understood that!
I don't sew how this can be a quiet zone. The fra establishes rules to even make quiet zones possible. One of them would require newer upgraded crossing signals and dual gates and signage. These are not legal quiet zones.
Those are pretty unique crossing signals traditional alternating red for cross traffic and a single flashing amber for parallel traffic. Never seen that before
The bigger story is you caught an old SD-9 that's still in operation (1954-1959). I thought they were all gone.
@@RealJeep The Cadillacs of locomotives.
Many small railroads still use them because they’re cheap plentiful, cool and they can still interface with modern diesels to do EMU
A gravel pit in Great Valley N.Y. Ex B&P loco
Engineers could have offered to roll up the hoses.
Actually in vehicles now days you don't want to put water in the cooling system......
Love seeing old SDs still in operation
I think its awesome to see running 1955 vintage equipment working as it is built for. I'd love to see that unit down here by Green Bay.
That would be cool, but... They say it won't happen.
Nice catch of the old SD-9. Awesome video.
Sweet, more SD#1221 video, I caught some of this on Facebook!!! Great video as usual!!!👏 An amazing relic!❤️
Awesome to see 2 classic EMDs together
I had a close call in 2002 in Edinburgh, IN when I didn't pay attention. Had a train going by and I had only 40 feet to stop at 30 MPH. I came within 2 feet of hitting the train. I have been a lot careful since then.
a close call! keep the clips coming
I remember filling passenger trains here in Canada in the winter normally it be minus 40c without the wind don’t miss those days as a Ff
A close call and a long train with an orange freddy on the back thanks Jason !
Thanks for the very cool video of the SD9 working, I thought that white pick up was going to get a kiss from sd9
You and me both!
Much better than a fire truck and locomotive is, “My favorite things, trains, planes, and girls. Not necessarily in that order.”
The Escanaba & Lake Superior Railroad (reporting mark ELS) is a Class III shortline railroad that operates 347 miles (558 km) of track in Northeastern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.[1] Its main line runs 208 miles (335 km) from Rockland, Michigan, to Green Bay, Wisconsin, and it also owns various branch lines and out-of-service track.[1] In 1897, the Escanaba River Company built a seven-mile (11 km) railroad from Wells, Michigan, to tap a large hardwood timber stand at LaFave’s Hill.[2] In 1898, the company name was changed to the Escanaba & Lake Superior Railway (E&LS).
Well aware of the history of the ELS. In fact my wife worked for the ELS in management for 20 years.
Where’s does Milwaukee Road figure into it?
@@Jleed989 the ELS took over the Green Bay to Ontonagon line when the Milwaukee Road retrenched back in 1980. This was under a directed service order.
That SD 9 still has it's E-M-D Builders Plate - Very Cool
Normally I’d say this town needs gates but we all know where that would go! I’m out in California and even with gates the scofflaws just go around them!
Jason: “They need water.”
Fireman: “Who are you?”
LMFAO.. They all know me.
@@jasonasselin 👍🏻 😁
Filmed MANY fire scenes, including one where the building fell on a firefighter. They know me.
Having grown up in the vicinity of EMD SD9s, the 1221 sure is awesome! Thanks Jason!
you can see the rust streaks on #502 up and down from the radiator leaking water
That was close
Haven't seen a SD-9 in a while. Much larger than its GP brothern. Great video with the fire department watering an engine. Thanks for sharing. 👍
From the staining on the hood of 502, looks like she might need some serious time in the shop.
Thats the best way to tank water for the motor. Nice catch. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven
I enjoyed that! THANKS!
That would have been a hell of a note...see IMFD refilling the locomotive, then responding to a Train vs Truck Crash with entrapment. Now, that would've been one exciting video.
it really is an incredible safety hazard to have all those crossings as a "no horn zone" and have no gates!
I thought the fire department wasn't allowed give water to business but great video thanks Jason
I watched a crew refill a LORAM tank car from a fire hydrant.
That SD9 is in pretty good condition for its age
well it gets a tad better, those fire fighting rail tankers. -- pretty cool.
Thank you Jason. Loved the walk around
If it was a steam loco with a pre-arranged stop for water on a long route, I could understand that, but for diesel loco to need water? Didn't the crew check their loco before the day's work?
Nice to see the local drivers practicing for the Darwin award.
Altogether, a fascinating video.
502 looks like hell, wonder how often they keep it maintained since they need water so much......
One would think the railroad would check the coolant level before leaving the depot. Unless it's extremely poorly maintained, it shouldn't drop enough to need refilling in a day.
Another good video Jason!
The SD-9 is magnificent! Great catch and share Brother! 👍
You’re going to witness a collision happen one day after what you saw at 9:31. This quiet zone should be abolished
If drivers are too incompetent to not see the flashing red lights, perhaps they shouldnt be driving. Im all for quiet zones in the city
Good to see that the crossing beacons get ignored over there, great advert for barriers to be introduced over in the US
Fantastic video showing something a bit different.
I'm used to taking water from the Firefighters but for steam locomotives. With diesels I usually filled them up in the morning at the depot and that was enough for one or even more days of operation. But with a relatively light passenger train. So I assume the coolant consumption here is higher (while in automobiles you have hardly any)
Thanks Jason, no Centerbeams on this train, one day, Jason, we will witness a horrible accident in this no horn zone
FD responding to Walmart pan handler pileup. Over the years this was a typical thing for steam excursions and back in the day the railroad would take care of the Diesels but today with virtually no facilities left a call for assistance went out and IMFD to the rescue
I've seen Breitung Township do it too.
I thought 1221 would need the water stop, not 502. That was a surprise. Interesting to note that 1221 still had the metal sign showing the locomotive's model designation.
Great catch Jason!! Ya made my day brother!😊
Glad you enjoyed it
That SD9 was born the same year as me.
Water leak at the radiators, various piping, air compressor or diesel engine internal water leaks.
Do you know it's a water leak or simply someone in mechanical not checking fluid levels?
Man on a bike 😊
Greetings Jason, just seen your video. Great closeup of the SD9 and SD40. Excellent! I hope you make more videos
Thanks, will do!
Great video Jason. Boy weren't those firemen rude.
Had to do this on the Indiana Transportation Museum FairTrain. The local fire department obliged.
Nice video! I enjoy your videos and love the way you record them. The picture is so crystal clear it makes me feel like I'm right there with you. Great job!!
I guess that train finally logged on!
Hmmm, flashing red lights usually mean something, either a fire truck responding to an accident or returning from a run, or a train coming down the tracks! Could you imagine trying to fill a train engine with water using a garden hose?
Actually a regular garden hose is used quite often to fill or top off radiator water for a diesel locomotive. I have used a garden hose to fill the 10,000 gallon tender on our steam locomotive.
I can say from experience some ppl don’t pay attention several times while responding to a call in both an ambulance and fire truck blasting the siren and horn ppl don’t see or hear some how and take forever to pull over
Could you imagine explaining that water usage to your water company, and the bill that would come with it filling up a diesel locomotive from your home garden hose?
Because that just happened to be convenient for the crew to access and use.
I wonder if the railroad would pay that portion of a homeowners water bill if a train crew had to do that under an emergency situation?
And just the homeowners luck they'd get fined if it was a time while under water restrictions, and weren't supposed to use water on the day the locomotive needed the water.
Geez, what a nightmare mess that could create for a homeowner whose home was directly next to the train tracks, and let the train crew water their locomotive.
Red also means Klingons off the starboard bow, Jimmy....😁🖖
@@billmorris2613I filled many a expansion tank and would rather have the smaller hose when an engine is low on water which usely trips the “ low water “ button …👍
💜💜💜💜 thanks for sharing. Whew! Two close calls running out of water and a near accident.
They need water and the crew needs a meal !!
Left the train so it wouldn’t be blocking crossings for an indefinite period of time
I’ve only ever seen my local FD putting water into a steam engine. None of the diesels have ever stopped looking for water. 3:23
I’m a water plant operator. Our FD has had to put water in a CSX locomotive atleast once.
Thanks for the video!
They’re like:
Why is this guy always filming? 😂
Who the railroad or the firedepartment the fire department knows who he is. The railroad knows he records too nothing new here
I know most of the FD members and they know me too. The RR better know by now.. LOL
It's the only game in town. Walmart panhandlers got run
very very cool video thank u for the hard work
I've always found it interesting trains don't use antifreeze. I understand the reason behind it, but interesting.
That guy is lucky he had good brakes. Ya almost had the headline news reel right there. I understand the want for no horn zones, but I honestly believe it would be best to have some kind of warning horn as well as the bells and lights. It would be much safer. Especially in areas like here where they have multiple tracks, for freight, amtrax, and commuter trains. We have an area here where 6 trucks cross the road, 4 are very busy with commuter trains, and two are for freight. I can't tell ya the number of Tim's I see folks jump the lights only to have a close call with a train coming the opposite direction, or to have a freight train narrowly miss them.
Antifreeze destroys the bearings on older EMD engines. Some engines even had valves that automatically drained the cooling water onto the ground as the temp approached 32 degrees F.
They will fill up a train but they will not fill your pool.
My guess about unhooking from the consist is that the engines don't overheat as much when there is no load.
How long were the engines waiting for the fire dept, the town would be over-the-moon if the 25 wagons were blocking the level crossings for that time!
Excellent
Chickened OUT !!!
I love that SD9! Not many left in that original condition. Sounds real good. I wonder about the other two that they have?
the sheriff should stay at the level crossing !! Makes 5.000 $ fines together !!
Train (almost), fire truck and mee-mool lights *(o)T(o)* Great! Water for what? Coolant leak? No locomotive hornoise pollution! Slow meets requirments for Quiet Zone Crossings? Like the (NO LEFT TURN) lamp below the flashing yellow *(o)* . Thank you for your videos, Jason.
That has to be the closest crash I ever seen you film
Please add to your videos some parrot and garden updates. Thanks Jason. 😊
A legit ex SP unit! Odd they took the red lens out of the gyro light! But, still cool
It still surprises me that a no-horn zone is allowed in the city...usually all crossing need to be upgraded under FRA rules including gates. This is either grandfathered in or something is a-miss. I wouldn't think these crossings meet regulations - a minimum shoudln't there be crossing gates at each crossing?
Really should be 4-quadrant gates or a 20-30' barrier between lanes with 2 gates.
That was my first thought, but local government clearly does not care.
the SD 9 has new spare parts built in !
Gorgeous video! I have long wondered why the Escanaba & Lake Superior doesn’t use SD38-2s instead of SD40-2s. At the low speed operation of the E&LS, the SD40-2 turbo really doesn’t add any value to the performance of the locomotive and is just an expensive maintenance issue. The roots blower on the 38 is simpler to maintain than the turbo and likely lasts longer as well.
There have been a lot of SD40-2s available on the used market for cheap, SD38-2s are rarely available and more expensive when they are. Small railroads typically have to buy what they can afford, when they need it.
With all the no horn zones, ELS needs to get that Pyle Gyralite doing its thing and not just lighted up.
2 engines and 25 cars
You can see the rusty water stains on the side of 502 near the radiators.
Something else to fix on 502, I gather. If it's operable, E&LS should pair their orange and green GP38 (401?) with 1221, and send 502 to the shop to fix the water leak. The SD9/GP38 combo would sound great!
All engines have those water stains from operating 20-30 years …
I love seeing the SD-40. My favorite still to this day! Is this area a quiet zone?
Yes
Locomotives; "A loose conglomeration of unrelated parts moving together in close proximity to a leak."
I agree 👍💯
@@capitolabill1921 I have heard almost the same definition to describe a helicopter.
@@billmorris2613 I'm pretty sure that's where I got it from.
Tons of idiots ignoring the crossing
I heard that I looked at that S9 and I said that's definitely old school
good train video
Thank you very much!
Probably would've helped if those rads were not leaking on the 502.
Jason should’ve got the liscense plate of that white pickup truck and sent the video to the Fuzz
If you pay attention to the shadows from the sun, they probably can’t see the crossing lights due to the angle of the sun. Then look at the blue building, there is an on-sight office trailer parked right next to the road. The driver wouldn’t have seen the train until after they passed that trailer. Can’t really blame the driver this time.
Fun fact,locomotives do not use antifreeze due to possibly damaging internal components.
That’s why they leave them running 24 hours in winter I guess
Good 1again Jason
I never realized how small the fuel tanks are on an SD 9. I still think they need to pull her into the paint booth and put a nice new coat in her with fancy cursive writing to show the pride in this old girl
Not going to waste money (what little E&LS has) on a non revenue producing project or on an engine that’s not likely to be around/used much.
@jamessimms415 They did paint one of their GP38s into a GN inspired Omaha Orange and Pullman Green, complete with the railroad's name spelled out on the hood. If it's serviceable, I don't know why they're not using it.
@@cris_261 I believe that’s an old Burlington Northern Santa Fe unit they picked up
@@ericanderson8394 That's no BNSF paint job, and the engine came from Conrail/Penn Central.
Taking on water boss!
Thanks for sharing nice catch 👍
Quite an eventful day for that fire crew.
Nice video. Great catch❤
I wonder if 1221 is going to become a (semi)-permanent fixture on these trains, or is it just helping out for awhile?
Awesome video
Nice catch
Wow, you don't see a high hood very often.....
Great catch! Wow truck 🛻 driver- where was he looking? Probably a cell phone!
Interesting that they've got the Gyralight but fixed center of track and not wobbling.
They must have different operating rules, last time I checked your suppost to BLOW FOR THE CROSSINGS 😮.
Remember that city governments do enact quiet zones, that could potentially apply here.
@@scottfw7169
They must like taking risks for collisions.
Is there signs stating that train doesn't blow for crossing 🤔 ?
@@scottfw7169it does apply there
This entire town is a no train horn zone. They’re also used out here in California but instead, there are stationary horn mounted to the crossing poles. You get a horn no matter what. I’ve never understood that!
I don't sew how this can be a quiet zone. The fra establishes rules to even make quiet zones possible. One of them would require newer upgraded crossing signals and dual gates and signage. These are not legal quiet zones.
Those are pretty unique crossing signals traditional alternating red for cross traffic and a single flashing amber for parallel traffic. Never seen that before
Safety violations to of no crossing gates also
Definitely needs to lift the no horn zone and put in blow horn signs.
Canada - antique trains :)
Iron Mountain, MI
Great Video!
So many questions....
All day I reply.. lol