Exploring Microphones (condenser vs dynamic vs hand mic)
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2020
- #Ham #Radio #Microphones #HRTV #Sound
Welcome to the weekly HRTV show. Tonight Kevin and Jason will discuss microphones. A fun way to level up your Ham Radio shack is with a boom mic! Come check out our comparison as we look at dynamic mics vs condenser vs hand mics.
Kevin let the cat out of the bag. Our new website will be up and running soon. The address will be www.HRTVshop.com We will have a future show on it.
This is our new email address: Elmer@HRTVshop.com - Наука та технологія
Thank you for your service. I was in the USMC for 4 years and in Vietnam '71 - '72; my dad was in the Army Air Corps during WWII. Just ordered a Heil Pro7 headset for my new Yaesu 991a. I've got several D-104's and hopefully another Ham is gonna help me wire one up so I can use it on the 991a. Cheers & 73 from W Rusty Lane K9POW in eastern Tennessee
This is a dope presentation! Thanks Jason/Kevin!!!
I just rewatched this video and I gotta say, now that I'm on HF, all of this makes a whole lot more sense. Thanks Jason and Kevin!
Happy Veterans Day to many of you on here tonight! Thank you all for your service to our country and for helping to keep us all safe here at home!
Much appreciated
Great presentation. Great explanations. Keep the videos coming.
Much appreciated!
Thanks you for this video on ham mikes. Really enjoyed the direct comparisons. Appreciate your channel.
Glad it was helpful, thank you!
A blessed Veterans Day to You that have served, the families that serve and support at home and to everyone that came before...
Thank you Sandy!
Would be nice to hear the difference between the d104 and condenser mic. I've been using a d104 for years and just got a 10da head for it. The 10da in my opinion has a much better sound and is definitely much hotter than the d104. I would love to have a comparison to see the difference between the different mics you let us hear today and the microphones designed for radio communication.
Perfect now I know what to do on my new 991a. Thanks!
Glad to hear it!
Great episode 😉😉very technical and you hit sum great points with transmit and receive bandwidth. Wish I knew more about how to set the parametric levels 😉😉 and which settings in the 991a did what 😉😉 thank you Jason & Kevin. Maybe a chat about older n sum mics that require phantom power 😉
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Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, we will be doing more with mics and phantom power soon. We are in the process of building cables to sell for different type of mics that would plug into different radios.
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Alright!! It will be shipping out here in CA soon!
Great job guys and very well done presentation. It amazes me how people hardly ever consider the effort involved in putting together a UA-cam video and jump in with silly and often nasty comments.
73 de Steve M0BFM 👍👍👍👍
Much appreciated! Yeah, we are just trying to have fun and show cool stuff and people comment like we are college professors. lol
What software did you use to show the sound frequencies? Very neat!
That was Friture friture.org/ Thanks!
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@@mikepansini4904 Hi Mike, if you happen to be a Windows 10 user, you can use the link to the Microsoft store. If you download there you won't get any alerts. It's a great program and I have used for it for several years now on a Windows machine. 73, Jason
Now I know the hearing response of a tuna fish.
Good to know.
2nd viewing, great video. Keep it up.
Update video on your 991a maybe?
Thanks! Will do!
Great video, I am very interested in radio audio and how to get the most in and out of it. Thanks
Glad it was helpful! We will have the website open soon to assist people better with that.
I am ordering a new Yeasu FT-DX3000D next week. I will either have to rewire the mic I’m using for the ICOM or get a new one... Kevin / Jason, what do you recommend I get if buying new?
I've had really good luck with my AKG 120 into a mixer. Which will also double as some great sounding audio into a Zoom call.
I know that this is going to be good!
How did we do? lol
@@HamRadioTV very well, very well indeed.
Please What is the little mixer you keep holding up
That was a Behringer Xenyx 502.
Navy Veteran and ag class ham, great channel, i want to use my singing" big condensor" microphone for my mobile hf rig but it needs power like you guys said can i buy a powered condensor mic fir ham radio somewhere? 73
Thank you for the kind words! That could be tricky to find. Getting a small mixing board would be your best best, in our opinion.
How to you wire a professional condenser mike to a Icom radio?
A custom cable will be needed. We will have them on sale soon at www.HRTVshop.com
@@HamRadioTV I see all your connector cables are sold out. Do you plan to have them for sale again.
It is misleading to call the pl tones subaudible, since they are well in the audible hearing range. They simply being filtered or blocked by the radio.
Yes, agreed. Kevin misspoke and was trying to generally explain what people can and can not hear coming out of their radio's speaker.
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Yeah!! For sure! I was harnessing some Cal!
Females have a higher frequency, which kicks into high gear around husbands 😂
lol, no joke!
You should probably do a little research before you make any further mis-statements about the frequency response of human voices.
In what way is showing the frequency range of the Human voice on a spectrum Wrong. Please teach us all.
For all the Ham people out there wasting money on expensive microphones just remember most tranceivers have a passband of 30hz to 3khz and this is where the most intelligible voice sounds are, so paying through the nose for a microphone that has a frequency response outside this range is a total waste of money.
There is nothing wrong with showing the response of the human voice on an RTA; mis-stating the response is wrong. Think about it, if the response of the male voice is 60-180Hz or whatever he said and the female voice 100-270 or what ever, then neither voice could be heard over a telephone (300 -3,000Hz). The RTA clearly shows that the response of both voices extends up way above 4kHz. For mics, a good, flat response dynamic mic is more than enough for the limited bandwidth of the radio. And no, you can’t drive nails with a SM-57 - that honor belongs to the EV-664, the “Buchanan Hammer”.
@@kendickensheets9522 I think they were talking about the fundamental frequencies of speech,the fundamental frequency of the complex speech tone - also known as the pitch - lies in the range of 100-120 Hz for men, but variations outside this range can occur. The frequency for women is found approximately one octave higher. For children, its is around 300 Hz.
As you mentioned correctly the average person can't hear these frequencies and telephones wouldn't even relay them.
Totally agree 300hz to 3000hz is all that's needed for radio communications using voice, unless its FM stereo and music obviously.
Thank you @kdkshts for watching. Could you give more details? This was just a generalization to expand peoples knowledge in the HOBBY. I'm not sure if you are aware, but Kevin and I are not College Professors.
@@HamRadioTV Nor am I a college professor but I am an acoustician and know a little about sound. . .
The frequency response of the normal speaking human voice is 125Hz (average) to 8kHz for men, 200-8K for women and 300-8k for children. The lowest octave within these ranges is where the fundamental sounds of the voice are produced. For men that would be 125-250Hz, women 200-300Hz and children 300-600Hz. Vowel sounds occur from roughly 500Hz to 1,000Hz and consonant sounds from roughly 500Hz to 4kHz. When whispering or yelling, the fundamental frequency and overall response changes somewhat. Within this range of 125Hz to 8kHz, the most important frequency band which determines speech intelligibility is the octave band centered at 2,000Hz or from 1,500Hz to 3,000Hz.
The pass-band for telephone or radio operation (except for music/FM systems) is 300Hz to 3kHz. It follows then that a microphone with essentially flat response within this pass-band is essential to pick up and reproduce speech with good intelligibility. Almost any good quality microphone will easily be able to achieve this whether it is a dynamic or condenser type.
Assuming that either type will have the required response, then there are other factors which should be considered and which can have a greater impact on the intelligibility and quality of the transmitted speech. One factor is polar response or directionality of the microphone. There are three basic types of polar responses available. They are cardioid (and variations including hyper-cardioid and “shot-gun”), bi-polar (picks up from the front and back, rejects sounds from the side), and omni-directional (picks up equally from all directions). There are variations on these such as noise cancelling and other specialty types). A major factor is the electrical output level of the microphone. The nominal output level of a typical dynamic mic is -50dBm whereas for a condenser mic, because it has active amplification circuitry in it, is -30dBm. This higher output level can easily overdrive the input circuitry of many radios and cause distortion or a “splattering” sound when ever any loud speech or other sound is produced.
If you are in a noisy or reverberant (echoey) room, you will want a mic which will pick-up your voice primarily and reject the other sounds in the room. The choice is the cardioid or hyper-cardioid. If the need was to pick up two people facing each other in conversation, then the bi-polar microphone would be the best choice assuming the room is quiet and not reverberant. If it is noisy or reverberant then two cardioid mics feeding into a mixer would be a better choice. A quiet and relatively “dead” room is the best choice. Listen to your room - can you hear the heater or air-conditioner running, does it sound more like your shower or more like a quiet living room.
Cardioid microphones have a characteristic called “proximity effect” which increases the low-frequency response the closer your mouth is to the microphone (this is why singers usually prefer a cardioid mic). For most cardioid mics this proximity effect occurs below 300Hz and only within 2”-3” of the mic. Adding a good foam windscreen to the mic tends to keep your mouth a little further away from it and reduces the proximity effect. The windscreen also reduces the “P-pop” sound which, even though lower than the response of the radio, can still overload the input circuitry of the mic preamp and cause distortion.
The bottom line is that a good quality, cardioid dynamic microphone will perform just as good as a cardioid condenser mic for ham radio use. However, talking into a fancy condenser mic on an articulating boom with an external mesh metal screen is a lot more fun.