Everything That BROKE Since NEW, Is Porsche Reliability Real or Legend? 1969 Porsche 911E
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2022
- Is legendary Porsche reliability real or fake? Dom Has Owned This Porsche 911E since 1975, it has a full history from new and in this episode I drive it and find out everything that has broken since it was first sold in 1975.
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I still own my 1970 911 from 1975 with over 300,000 miles currently the 3rd engine, an all aluminum (67 case) 2.5 race motor with SC leather interior & flares with 8" alloy rims, 94 wing, aluminum banana arms, 74 Carrera front suspension. So many minor improvements, updated turn signal cluster, adjustable delayed wipers, 96 mirrors, etc. It has enough horsepower (225) to start off in second gear unless as someone pointed out, you're on a hill. The dog leg pattern is purely from the racetrack, they would push the race cars out onto pit lane and start in second gear. I have a short shift kit on the 901 box. There is an art to using a dog leg transmission for Street driving, probably the main reason they changed it in the 915 box. The car has become a family heirloom.
My dad's a porsche specialist so naturally I grew up around these cars. So good to see a beautiful original again
This car only strengthens my belief that the older the year model/generation, the more beautiful the 911. Stories involving owners who maintain a long-term relationship with a single special car that they continue to drive on a fairly regular basis are always the most interesting to me. Sports cars have always been about passion first and foremost and it is clear that Dom has always been very passionate about this particular 911. Thanks to him for allowing you to share this story of his car.
Such pretty cars when they were young and pure. Also relatively simple and light. This why classics can still provide so much driving pleasure. It's not about speed, it's about balance.
@Bob Mci. .. +1 Agreed, its balance. .. My 98 Carrera S (993) entered this world at 11 miles. . The coupe and its new caretaker will find themselves when I am gone. .. The 911 air-cooled Evolution series 911 lives on . . . . Cheers, Vail, Colorado
A thing of beauty. As far as looks go, the early Porsches look so much better than today's examples.
I truly believe I could see myself owning an early 2000s 911 in the somewhat near future, but these older cars are just priced way too high.
Surprisingly, the chain tensioners seemed to be the reason my '69 911E was taken off the road back in 1974, until I bought the car in 2016 and in the process of doing a full restoration. Not a single spot of rust on the car as it had been kept indoors, but the engine was an absolute mess!
What an amazing car with amazing history! I find it really interesting how a car has got in through its life reliability wise, interesting stuff Jack 👍
Lovely car. I suspect the early problems with the clutch and synchromesh were caused by poor driving rather than any manufacturing fault.
Quite possible.. was very early to have syncro issues
Worn synchro on 1st sounds like its been raced to me, who hammers their car into 1st gear routinely.
@@keithriley3159 1st gear was used mainly for starting and shift pattern-with 1st out of the "H"- reflects that. Poor synchromesh action is likely caused by the wrong lube oil.
@@chash7335 not sure I understand what you mean by out of the H, is first on a dog leg ? Surely the wrong lube would affect all synchros
@@keithriley3159 Yes, first is on a dog leg. The wrong lube affects the gears differently. The synchronizers are worked hardest on 1st gear, least on 5th.
To turn on and off the heater there are one or two levers down by the handbrake that open and close flaps at the heat exchanger exits. The other heat controls on the dashboard are one of the great mysteries of the universe. Thanks Jack, beautiful car.
Thanks David!!
3:06 that image, and that sound caused me to flashback to the opening sequence of Steve McQueen's film "Le Mans". Thanks for a lovely moment.
Thank you Bob and for the continued support!
The first time I saw one of the earliest 911s (with the simple "911" badge placed diagonally on the boot lid), I was surprised how tiny a car it was, which was lovely. Thanks for sharing your drive in this ‘69.
I'm impressed that it made it to 1999 before major rust repair was needed. I lived in Chicago in 1975 and they spread a LOT of road salt. I bought a 1966 E-Type Coupe there. The wheel arches were already bubbling. I did a hard stop and a front brake rotor separated from the mounting hub due to rust! In hindsight I could have bought a very nice 911 for what that E-Type cost me over the year that I owned it. Thanks for another great glimpse of a great car.
I do an upgrade for 1st gear Synchro to make it twin side over the original single side in the 915 box.
Not particularly cheap but makes a huge difference
Thanks for bringing back great content.
This car is close to my all-time favorite, the 1972 911 SC. This era of 911s are a joy to drive provided that you load up the front end going into the corners. Nice episode!
SC wasn't produced until 78 :-)
Lol
Hi , that was very interesting. I have a 1969 911E , which I have owned (38 years) , and 210,000 miles . I love it , and drive it as much as possible. Mine was sold new by Jebson Motors , Hong Kong , as a Sportomatic . I think I am the 5th owner, from all the history/ paperwork, which came with the car , 37years ago I replaced the Sporto, with a 901 5 speed manual, and have never regretted it. I have fitted front and rear sway bars , as correct for the year . Never , have I lost the back end, and I always drive it hard , also,make sure that on starting , warm up, oil pressure / quantity is correct, and away . I change the oil twice a year , and carry out most of the servicing myself. The 911E , 2 litre, is pretty much, trouble free , with no oil leaks , and I still use original type chain tensioners . I gave it a light type of restoration, back in 2008 ,with first class repaint , and no clear coat ( not available in 1969) . Body colour is Light Ivory , with Red interior. Has won the award as the Presidents Trophy, as Classic Porsche of the Year ,from the Porsche club of New Zealand . My first Porsche was a 1963 356B , also Light Ivory, Red Interior, which I had from 1965 to 1973 , and drove 110,000 miles, but , that’s another story ….
Thanks for the history of your car Kohn, sounds ace! Totally agree on getting rid of the spotmatic too!
@John Lee ... No doubt the Sportomatic, what a '60s name, was the Sportomatic a Porsche in-house creation or something of VW, Getrag, ZF, or others?
I recall the Sportomatic car mags introduction, and then seeing an early '70s Targa with the Spotomatic ... At the age of 10 -12yo what did I know ...
I saw my first 911 when my parents dropped their VW bus off for service at the VW-Porsche dealership in Toronto in about 1970. Loved it straight away. The pre-1974 911s are the best looking, IMO.
Yes indeed, so much better looking than the "wide hipped" and "whale tail" looks of some of the later models, but then I'm old and old fashioned.
I own a 997.1, it costs me around £1500-2500 a year in repairs. From an reputable indie mechanic. He actually worked for Porsche for 25 years.
I asked him about 964's and SC's. He looks after a large amount of them and he said you could triple the 997.1 costs a year. That should give you an indication on how reliable these cars actually are . Porsches most reliable cars are the DFI onward cars. Apart from the 991.1 GT3 issues, the rest have proven to be almost bulletproof. Not just the engine either.
Loved this great commentary but so worthwhile for nearly 50 years of happy driving. It’s those memories and experiences you’re paying for.
Hey Jack, that's a great Porsche, back then they were a nice simple "original" concept. Nice that the owner has kept it all this time.
A car I always wanted to own until I got to have a drive in one, that changed my mind completely. But that's another story in itself.
Yep.. 45 years of dedication!!
Cool 911 and fun review. Great shot variety aswell and all put into a much enjoyed, short production, thank you! Nice contrast visually between subject car and backdrop.
Ah thank you and really glad you enjoyed it!
Fully agree - these early models just look so gorgeous. For some reason I just love those vents and the indicator and sidelight cluster and those wheels are just iconic.
Yep, lovely looking things these! Thanks Dave!
Your absolutely right jack about how older cars ride so much nicer than modem cars. They can be much softer riding while still having acceptable levels of roadholding. I think this is partially down to the wheels and tyres with modern cars running a much lower profile. The other reason is weight, heavier cars inevitably need heavier damping to control their waywardness. it's going to get even worse with EV's weighing in at over 2 tonne in many cases.
Those early 911's do have a softer, prettier look.to them, I imagine it's a car that's best enjoyed at half speed.
Wasn't Porsche's problem (to early 90s) that they were 'too' well built, so very expensive, so they lost sales, nearly went under & called Toyota in to help them rationalise production & parts?
The start of the Steve McQueen film 'Le Mans' when he's driving one of 'these' through the French countryside to the circuit, is so iconic.
Thanks Jack!
Early 80s used 246 gt needing love and 8 k back then , price of a 83 rabbit gti, 911 used was 11k, nice , tight compartment, great steering, and reliable.. pads, oil,
I'm not the biggest 911 fan but am a big fan of these videos. Nice job Jack really enjoyed this one and learned a fair bit about these older models.
That’s great, thank you so Much Scott!!
That’s such a cool car to own for that long, beautiful in that colour too
An excellent real-world “exposé” on early 911 ownership - thanks much!
I have the 1971 version of this (2.2E) in blutorange (aka Tangerine) and I absolutely love it
Love that car, really enjoyed the video, thank you. Have some very happy memories of riding often in a late-1960s 911 as a late-1960s kid. That’s when I got interested in Porsches.
Lovely car, can't be too many with that length of ownership and great for this car's story to be documented.
Jack, comment from a friend in San Diego / Washington who has done videos for TV. that is gorgeous
rich history
great job on the video
Ah thanks Dom!!
Great job !! Represented the car very well.
Hello Jack, I love love love almost all Porsche 911's and have driven several. They are such a pleasure to drive and the engine sound is like "music" [ not noise!] . I also love the feel and the handling of the Boxster and will probably own one.....finally. An auto aficionado friend of mine go one recently to go with his 911 Carrera and he really likes it. Thanks for another great video.
Thank you Dan, hope you get your Boxter soon!
Wow, thanks Dom, what a beautiful car you’ve let us all see, thanks. Cheers Jack 👍
My favourite car is my friends 1979 911 SC so I get why your friend has owned his for so long, no doubt one of the best cars ever made.
Absolutely beautiful car.
And the story, just makes it better.
One of your best videos
Cheers
Really glad you enjoyed it, thank you Rob!!
My friend bought a rhd 911e in 1977 and paid £3600 for it because it had a few mechanical issues. He still has it. How the values have change. At the same time l bought a carrera 3 sport with a slipping clutch and bad oil leak for £7700 but only kept it 3 years. Big mistake. Enjoyed it whilst l had it . Great car.
1964-1997 was genuine Porsche to me. 993 still has the same characteristics but after that it was a completely different car. It's just branding... they call it 911 but it's not the same car anymore. I'm not a purist and I'm not saying these old ones are better by any means. No, they're slower and the new ones are superior to in every technical detail. But hey... would I take any of these air cooled over the new bloated cars? HELL YES! Every air cooled generation is SOOOOO beautiful. All of them. They're ICONS.
It's amazing these old cars have such a great reputation. Most of the cars today usually go their first 100k miles without major work and are considered unreliable.
It's relative, back in these days that was considered pretty reliable, especially for a sports car. Some cars could rust through in 3 years, have 6 months warranty and on many cars odometers had only 5 digits because they never meant to pass 100k miles (or even kilometers). Modern cars are immensely more reliable, but they do have so much more stuff in them to go wrong.
In my experience of car ownership since 1982…
as far as drive train and all of the metal bits, reliability is vastly better from the 90s forward.
Especially w Japanese makes.
100k miles is commonly known as “the break-in period’.
Did you mean "turbo tie rods"? These are the steering track rods from the rack to the hubs and have a rubber bush in them on standard 911s. Turbo ones are all-metal so it's supposed to make the steering a bit sharper.
For 70-odd thousand miles it doesn't sound as if it's been rock-solid reliable. I have a MX-5 with 80,000 miles, a lot newer I know, but higher mileage. To my knowledge it has never required a repair, I've swapped things like shock absorbers by choice, but it has never ever broken down.
The car for the most part has been reliable, I just have not driven it that much.
Love a car with a full history, good or bad, it just gives the story. Would be interesting to know how much bodywork was done as it was a North West car, so weather not exactly great. There are also items early on we'd be marching it back to the Dealer for today. Shows how times, service and expectations have changed.
The car came from Chicago in 1999. Only body work done was the suspension pan up front, and the sills, both inner and outer. Wings are still original and as far as I know, never come off the car. Right rear bumper is original, the left one was replaced due to an unfortunate event I had in the late 1970s, and the center section was replaced as well.
Truly a beautiful automobile...I can still remember when they were more common to see.
These old pre `80`s Porsches are lovely, good looking, very well engineered but absolutely no better built or any more reliable than their head on competitors at the time - Alfa Romeo. I`ve had early Porsche 911`s right from the very first models - either owned them or worked on them (used to own a Euro workship here in NZ). Many of the same faults experienced eg the Porsche designed synchro wear used in both 911s and Alfa Romeos. Alfa engines were actually more robust and trouble free though and both brands as did most cars of that era have rust issues. Ultimately though Alfas had much safer handling on the limit but both were well above average cars in road performance. it always intrigues me the British perspective of German reliability and build quality (said as a child of UK parents) but I guess the English are mainly Germans anyway in geneaology so biased in their outlook. As this old workshop owner, ex 911 owner and car collector has learnt though German superior engineering, build quality, and reliability is a pure myth.
Umm.. as an Italian I’m not sure I totally agree. I love Alfas and adored by Giulia Spider but the 1750 GTV I had was not as well built as this 911. I do agree that these 911s did also have issues though and are perhaps not as invincible as some make out! Thanks for watching!
@@Number27 Biggest issue I have observed is build quality (of the body) with Alfas. The mechanical side is absolutely as good as if not better as I`ve discovered - I`ve had 3 911s myself plus 30 or so Alfas but more 105s than any other model. Alfas I`ve found are very very robust mechanically and will generally not have breakdowns that leave you by the side of the road. Also because of their layout easier to do work on. Unfortunately one can`t account for previous owner and poor insurance repairs though.
Cracking car, what a joy it must be to own such a lovely example.
Another grwat vid Jack and great story of the car
The hydropneumatics suspension were the Boge Nivomats, the same as on Volvo station wagons.
944 turbo M758 Solver Rose fried its head gasket one week out of warranty, then following year 1/4 of one of sodium filled valves dropped off and went through engine and turbo....
Turbo survived, however cost me 16 hollow sodium filled valves (c £90 each in 1992) plus head overhaul (car..)
So, didnt strike me as very reliable for a top of range limited edition car, rusting around windscreen + threadbare seats at 6 yrs, low mileage too... Still loved it though :)
Had 2 911scs that rusted and needed heat exchangers, costing thousands too - not keen on 911 due to light front and pendulum weight out back ..its not IF it catches u out...more, When...
I would love that car, but I will never be able to afford it. I adore those early 911's far more than recent versions. I know how treacherous the handling is, but they are so special, even if a new hot hatch is much quicker.
Incredibly pretty things! Thanks for watching Chris!
@@Number27 It is my pleasure to watch you Jack. I am looking forward to you getting the influenzo back on the road (my dream car when young).
Lovely looking car, something I have never thought about on an air cooled engine, how the heater works, I would imagine that it’s electrical?, well done Jack,👍👍.
There's a heat exchanger on the exhaust.
No it is same as the beetle using heat exchanges. Not that effective though.
@@manchegocheese997 thanks, never thought of that,👍.
You can imagine how pleasant that is with a rusty exhaust
I used to have ice on the inside of windscreen of mine sometimes even with a decent exhaust and heat exchangers
Awesome little cars,but not worth the money people ask for them now,shame really cos they were a great entry-level classic Porsche...here in nz, you could pick one up for nicks in the 80s...shoulda got one then eh? Excellent video... 🍻
My 06 E350 Merc had the balance shaft sprockets go bad at 44k and the trans conductor plate fail at 47k
When Lotto hits I’m getting a Irish Green 1971 911E sunroof coupe. My dream car for over 20:years. Someday….
You just can’t beat a Porsche for reliability, I have one and I love it.
The original purity of the 911 makes the later / modern equivalent models look so bloated. This shouts Steve McQueen in his slate grey 911S in the start of Le Mans . Lovely looking car. I remember reading a long term test of a 911 around 1975/6 sort of time by Motor magazine which was interesting because I , as a naive teenager in the 1970’s , would have believed German cars were bomb proof and super efficient etc; However, the test revealed the car developed several issues including the sunroof at it happened when the car was at its youth, possibly within 10,000 miles.not as a long term classic as here. I also remember seeing a early 911 targa in the Cotswolds some years ago and could not get over how “Sweet” the car sounded compared to the awful hysterical caphoney of later Porsche models ( as well as other high performance cars sound) . Great to see this early model, cheers
great show
Glad you enjoyed it chap! Thanks for watching
"It's boiling in here." Dolt is wearing a parka.
😆😆😆 in my defence it was cold outside.. and I got in not realising the heating would be stuck on! Also no where to pull over on that road without disrupting the filming.
It's too bad so many people are like me and would rather have that car than a new 911, and most of those people have way more money than me, and have now made these cars so expensive.
Great car! I often wonder if there are any Jensen Interceptors still in operating condition. That was one unique ride.
A Jensen specialist JIA based in Banbury Oxfordshire, England rebuilds original Interceptors using modern components, with a General Motors supplied LS 6.2-litre naturally aspirated or Supercharged engine and 6 speed automatic or manual transmission. Wikipedia FYI
Spend 30 seconds with the YT search box and you will have your answer.
Heat on/off are levers next to the handbrake, just like a Beetle!
Come to think of it, the owner has probably spent less money - in simple numerical terms - on this single car than most people spend replacing their cars over the same period....
Pretty little car, however, your definition of reliable is somewhat different from mine. Then again, I'm comparing it to my 1989 MX5, which I bought new, and the only thing that broke has been the electric window winder cables on the driver's side first and then several years later, on the passenger's side.
True chap but modern cars do tend to be more reliable.. this is a 60s design don’t forget..
I had a 911e for many years and it was a great car and most enjoyable to drive. Did you say that your car was 2 litre? I still have the owners handbook I wish I still had the car
Yes, its a 2.0 with 140 DIN BHP, or 155 SAE
What a beauty!
Such a pretty car!!
What is the origin of the whistly sound that these old 911’s and the old beetles both made?
These don’t make it so much.. but being flat 6s and aircooled is the reason they sound like they do
That big fan sucking up cooling air.
@@blacksquirrel4008 THANK YOU! I've always wondered what it was, because the later air cooled cars (964, 993) didn't make that sound.
Lovely car. I have one just like it. Aside from technologically dated items (i.e. the ignition system) the cars were very well put together, and the engines were pretty under stressed. Most of the issues that I've found with my car were inflicted by a previous owner (or myself!). The clutch was most likely one of the weak links (although adequate), and was redesigned to a completely different concept ("push-type") in 1970 to deal with the increased torque of the 2.2 liter engines. I suspect that the original owner would "ride the clutch" or rest their left foot on the clutch pedal, thus prompting it's failure in just a few thousand miles. If treated correctly, the clutch should be good for 10's of thousands of miles if not almost 100k miles.
Being a Porsche owner, I have to nit-pick. Both the 911R and the '69 911E were both 2.0 liter cars. But the '69E's MFI system was specifically tuned for the E's engine configuration. It couldn't adjust itself to changes in the configuration (such as the different exhaust) without being specifically retuned. I doubt that the rich running has anything to do with the cold-start function which is completely unrelated to the exhaust. The original cold start enrichment feature was fairly nasty, and just pours raw fuel down the intake trumpets. What could go wrong with that?! Most were quickly deactivated. The '69's are actually very easy to rig a manual cold start enrichment (just like the factory race cars). Manually applying 12v to the enrichment solenoid will peg the MFI rack full rich and allow the car to start easily, and then disconnecting that 12 volts will allow the MFI to return to it's normal tuning after the engine is starting. Starting in 1970 the MFI was updated to do away with the raw fuel feature, and used a completely different cold start concept.
Lovely car 🚘🚙🚗👍👍👍👍👍
Fabulous Cars I miss my 2.4S sob sob😮💨
The F shape 911 is by far the purest shape in the whole series of Porsche.
Stunning car, I think it has done pretty well to be honest.
Thanks Rhett! My presentation for this video didn’t really quite come out as I’d hoped but it is a lovely car!
@@Number27 I thought it was well presented and interesting.
This old girl doesn’t sound too expensive to maintain given her age.
My dad had a gen 1 Boxster and that thing was terrifyingly expensive to maintain- 1600 quid for a air conditioner coil… so he got rid of it before I got a chance to drive it
If you get a Boxter that’s not been maintained they can be terrible 😞. Thanks for watching Matthew!
@@Number27 all I knew about that Boxster was that it was not brand new when my old man got it and I seldom see what’s beneath. That 1600 quid equivalent was quoted by a friend of mine working in parts department for Porsche Hong Kong…
About time you bought the fezza a Porsche stable mate
😆😆😆 no money though!!
@@Number27 pity
This lovely old Porsche is still alive , while 98 percent of the 70s cars are recycled att least 3 times .
Oh , it costed some money !
Yes , butt how much depreciation do you have on 3 or 4 new cars in all these years ?
Its a bargain !!!!!!
Is there a car I'd rather drive then my '69 911S? NOPE. Here's a great 911S video- ua-cam.com/video/HMadYY5JQmA/v-deo.html
No No. I wanted a 308 for years and you put me off them, Now the 911 is off my list. Guess ill stick with my Audi TT 200,000 trouble free miles and the same clutch.
an air cooled warm 911...enjoy...have to say lovely car...had a 993 have a 996...love them
Love 993s!! Thanks for watching!
Proper Porsche!
Sweet car 100k plus now 😔..heater controls behind hand brake ? Not sure 🤔
Yes, I leave the heater on all the time, sometimes shut it down during really hot weather.
👍
Ohh that sublime do3snt
With respect, and I owned 4x 3.2 Carrera and a 996 Carrera and a cayman they are not that reliable. I had a 1 L Ford Fiesta 1993 that I did 165,000 miles in , and not one thing went wrong on its original clutch. Everything on a Porsche cost £1000 minimum.
I suspect the clutch and synchro problems were down to bad driving, not all Americans are good with a manual gearbox.
Synchros are fine now, and the clutch was replaced about 15 yrs ago.
72000 miles is barely anything. If we're going to talk about reliability, shouldn't we be looking at a high milage example?
What car built today will be on the road in 50 years?
Would anyone buy such a simple (and completely rebuildable) car today?
i recovered one of these in the 80s for a female school-teacher. to stop the kids at school nicking it, she had a big chain around the seat + steering wheel. the little darlings borrowed a hacksaw from metalworking, +sawed the rim off. they were seen flying about, steering it like knight-rider across school fields, engine screaming at the limit for the dinner hour, + was found later at the pub. quick wash down, ign. switch replaced, wheel welded back together [with foam + insulation tape to finish repair], 2 pints of oil, good as new ! my younger sister was taught by her, always had the full steering wheel on her desk thereafter...
1:10 pull over and take off the down puffer jacket??
That would make too much sense!
But seriously, I don’t want to interrupt filming and not many places to pull over on that road..
You could have taken your coat off, it wouldn’t have been so hot 🤣😂🤣😂
Air cool life 😎 👌
if I can bring my personal experience, with almost 85 years on the clock, the only two cars that never gave me trouble were the Kafer 1600 and the YJ from Jeep (the renegade one). And I'm talking about a lot of miles covered... My 993 gave me its share of problems, the 3.2 less. This is an excellent report once again! Thank you
Thank you for watching and for your comments.. those old Jeeps were pretty tough!
Very reasonable considering age.
Sadly from 2030 on all the combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in EU :-( In Germany the Green party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing petrol stations to only one state owned peoples gas station per city or county. :-(
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Reliability in German cars has a different meaning than in Italian cars.... if this was an Italian car with all that problems, it will be called "unreliable"... but in a German car it is just an "amazing reliability"... LOL...
PS - problems in suspension, engine, gearbox, electrical... only thing that didn't broke was the brakes... what more is needed to be called "unreliable"? I have seen calling Italian cars "unreliable" for much less...
Posh beetle 🪲n
Even the most reliable vehicles from 1969 are going to seem problematic compared to modern vehicles.
Design engineering and manufacturing is light-years ahead of the 60's and 70's.
Even the most mundane poverty spec Dacia is a starship compared to a vehicle designed engineered and manufactured over fifty years ago.
Compared to it's contemporaries the Porsche is very reliable.
Good point and thanks for watching William!
The Great reset
Heard of it yet?
You buying this 911? Do you still have your Ferrari?
Still have the Ferrari, videos coming up on that within next two weeks!
I love porsches but they are very unreliable.
Meh
Porsche means reliability becuase the engineering and build quality is just so high. I own a first gen Cayman S and the thing came with no paperwork. A couple of small niggly repairs and the thing is like new with 103K miles.
Good to hear!! Enjoy your Cayman. Great cars!