Learning Glen Helen from a Top 20 Pro! - JWalk vs Jerry Robin POV
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Decided to let Jerry Robin @Jerry_Robin70 take my DJI Osmo Action 4 around the legendary Glen Helen Motocross track so I can try to learn from him and figure out this hard pack slippery dirt! Although he's originally from Minnesota, Jerry has lived in Southern California for the last 4-5 years and has these conditions dialed.
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Jerry just informed me that he makes a set of OEM brake pads last an entire season because he carries so much speed through corners and doesn't use the brakes. That would explain a lot in this video! Pretty wild and cool to hear that
Thank you to jerry robin for doing this. I learned alot. Biggest thing i took away from this was to calm down and focus on throttle control
The way he put that yammy to work was beautiful. But I’m with ya jeff, sand tracks are where i feel comfortable too lol
He is carrying more speed during the turn but what made the biggest impression to me was how much faster that yamaha would accelerate on the exits!!!
It revs to the moon with lightning speed😮😮
When I first saw your pov I thought "well.... He is faster than anyone on the track....." then that yamaha passed by and was gone 😮😮😮😮
Yeah I thought so to. The yamaha is a rocket ship. Really fast! Ofc hes riding very well aswell. Great lines like jeff is saying
Jerry’s front suspension looks a lot more settled and planted. Especially coming into the really rough corners at high speed. Great video Jeff. My son and I road several days at Tracks and Trails when you were here.
it's so interesting because according to all the media tests and stuff the yamaha is a lot more nervous and twitchy, but in reality having it setup right makes the biggest difference.
It’s the patience Jerry has for me👌🏼 mid corner roll speed and doesn’t get on the gas until he knows he can twist it to the wire! Amazing how much time he spends off the gas and being patient!
The yami looks like a rocket ship compared to the gasgas it could be just his body position coming out of turns but damn that thing looks like it pulls hard
Geez these comments are cringe
Yeah, Robin's bike gets going hard. I wonder what has been done.
The throttle application from Jerry is beautiful! Also seeing Jerry driving through the braking bumps under the bridge after the downhill is amazing to see
I love the videos, Jeff. You do a great job sharing your chance for national points each year. It is a lot of fun to follow along.
I always wondered if the amount of oversteer you appear to have in the turns could be a hindrance. Jerry's front fender "holds a line" a little better. Maybe that's a technique adjustment, line selection, or bike set-up, IDK but it sure looks easier.
As for trusting your tires..is it common to tune with tire pressures and tube wights? A heavy-duty tube will add some dampening, a little extra stiffness, and a little extra durability...which should allow you to run lower pressures. Maybe you already do that stuff or it's not a thing, but it should be a thing.
Eiii Jeff, in my opinion the biggest diference is on corners and how you both aproach them... Jerry rides smoother make the corners open rounded, while you aproach It more aggresive and try to cut the corners in two or three, on the breaking you brake later than Jerry wich makes you enter the corners faster but with less control and not as ready as Jerry wich makes you corner not very smooth, Jerry stop accelerating early before the corners and don't use the brakes as much as you, he uses more the engine break.
I'm from Spain and here most of the terrain are hard pack as roads😅, the better way to ride hard pack is ride very smooth, focus on don't hit your brakes too hard and use more the engine brake, on the corners just let the bike run on the beggining, try to round them as much as you can and use the whole track from outside to inside, and at least on leaving the corner dont be aggresive with the gas, just increase the bike speed on a lineal way, in resume, the key, ride smooth and try to mantain a regular speed all over the track instead being aggresive
Great video Jeff. The comparison is awesome. Also, your added notes in the video helps us amateur weekend warriors out as well. Thanks for the content!
Wow his throttle control is really good. He is carrying so much momentum he just rolls through the corners and applies power perfectly and at the right time. He also uses whole track to set himself up for the corners very well. Lots of guys on the throttle way to early in corners and rear end spins and kicks out. It feels fast but not. His roll speed in the corners is out of this world. Wow it really looks like speed into the corner just makes everything easier. If you come in too slow, you have to adjust throttle and upset the bike and you just make things harder for yourself. This is a great video to learn from. It's rare for someone to honestly critique themselves on video. Props for that and best wishes in your nationals!!!
Jerry's drive out of the corners is insane, keeps it really smooth through entry and mid corner then powers out so well, that yammy sticking to the ground
I think it's more throttle control is his bigger advantage. You seemed to be revving higher quicker out of turns so I'm sure there's lost traction but yes carrying the moment through the corners will allow for more room for throttle control. Your both faster then I'll ever be but that's just what my eyes and ears are telling me. Regardless your doing enough of the right things to be at the level your at so keep it ripping lol
I think some of it is bike setup for sure. The way you enter corners, I might would suggest lowering your forks in your clamps a few mil. (Raise the front). I feel when you’re coming into the rough sections hard braking, it’s causing tons of weight on the front and getting the unsettled chassis look and feel. Would be curious where your forks are in the clamps. But I think this allowing him to carry in momentum off the brakes upon entry give him a smoother apex and exit as well as a settled chassis upon entry.
This is all coming from a guy who would give his left nut to ride like you lol. I’m just a guy who loves wrenching on bikes, studying bike setup and riding. Keep on keepin on Jeff. We always have to be a student, keep learning and studying.
Jerrys bike just seems set up better than yours. His is just so smooth on the track yours looks way to stiff with too high rebound
That could be just Jerry to. I’ve seen him take a stock bike around a blown out sand track and make it look smooth.
Jerry takes his time with riding a track, doesn’t force anything. He’s incredibly smooth on anything
Honestly his forks look too soft on the compression. He's blowing through his travel and getting into the harsher end portion of the stroke. The gasgas bikes are typically pretty soft from the factory, too... Especially compared to the yamaha. Great for comfort, but when you start ripping it gets choppy. Though I'm sure both of these guys have different valving at this point.
Agreed the bike is so smooth the suspension is soaking up everything. You can hear your suspension working like crazy!
I like what you said about Jerry's use of the track, I love seeing riders who use car racing style lines!
It seems like he’s scrubbing all the jumps. Also seems to get better traction out of the corners? His bike seems to just jump forward to the next turn. And yes more trust in the tires, seems to switch direction faster and get on the gas quicker. Like you said he’s a top 20 rider, fantastic!
I was waiting for the comment at 13:15 and im pretty sure most of the time he tries to get a straight braking stage, whereas you try to take a smooth round entry to the corners, but therefore he can brake harder and more controlled. Sometimes we get stuck with a line that we want to hit at all cost that we loose so much speed while trying to hold this line... most of the time it seems to be the fastest when you "just hammer" the corner and dont worry too much about which line to take as long as there are ruts. But on the other hand on dry hardpack tracks you gotta watch your lines a lot more again and to be able to connect corner to corner in a smooth line, but also the same with as straight braking stages as possible to be able to brake as hard as possible without having a hard time. Really nice to be able to compare you two although you are not even that far away from each other.. I've been watching a lot of AMA Nationals GoPro footage recently to get a better feeling of how the fastest guys attack the track, but that isnt even translatable to the tracks i race and ride on.. So good job with this comparison, this condition is much more translatable to regional tracks in germany than the fully ripped Nationals in the USA hahaha
This was awesome man Jerry seems like he’s carrying more momentum I think once you figure out the lines you’ll be a lot quicker good luck to you guys at the next round dude🤙
I like how he carries his speed to the edge of turns and holds it.. this was always a struggle for me.. i didnt trust it... Great practice/learning experience Jeff!
The back to back bike sound was insane. You really can hear that Yamaha intake screaming.
This is a pretty sick looking game, can't wait for it to come out
glad to see more consistent uploads Jeff! Jerry gets such a good drive out of every corner it almost looks like the difference between a 250 and a 450. i wonder if that's more from his setup tuning compared to yours or maybe more trust in the tires, (obviously line choice too). you seem to carry more entry speed and roll through more while he pushes harder on the exits. its a lot of personal preference in style but i learned a lot from the back to back.
Listen to his off throttle periods in corners. You sound like you full shutoff the throttle and coast for longer duration mid corner until you hit your target point and Jerry has extremely short periods off and returns to some level of throttle on to maintain drive until he hits his target point to really fully turn in the corner.
Hope that makes sense but that audible difference seemed really noticeable.
Jerry is Mr Smooth!! His bike seems so well setup.... did u manage to sneak in a quick ride on Jerry's bike?
Yeah i would agree the Yami looks softer and doesnt seem so choppy, maybe its all line choice? Does seem to glide over rough stuff. But exit speed is definitely another noticeable thing, Yami exits every corner like a rocket
Jerry cuts the corner to the inside + utilizes the low end torque of the Yamaha which allows him to accelerate and exit the turns quicker. On the straights, i would say you carry higher top speed, but Jerry does not brake so hard and utilize the engine braking better on entry turns, which allows him to maintain higher coasting speed. Jeff, on such hardpacks try to cut the corners more from the inside. I know you love to take the outside more, but sometimes is not beneficial as this track proves it.
The wildest part of this clip is seeing how many FAST dudes are on the track and how many 85/65 riders are out there. Surely that's an accident waiting to happen?
Jeff idk if you read comments.but I’m a local pro from ma and it took me years to really figure out how these big doggs are able to toss these crazy lap times down, is obviously great talent but really it’s when you an I are in 3rd and 4th there in 4th and fifth useing the clutch like a 2 bunger! Try it!! Bet lap times drop!!
Your welcome!! To anybody who reads this.
Suspension is huge for hard pack And I think a ECU change will help even more so than suspension. Hard pack you cannot twist it hard or else you will feel loose and uncomfortable. I think you need a ecu change for hard pack Cali dirt. Your ecu is set for sand and very deep soil which is where you need a heavy hitting bike.
Jerry has both index fingers on the levers 24/7. Never took em off once. Textbook. Maybe he gains extra confidence over the machine by being a fraction of a second ahead of the bike when things go South, ya!? 😃
Love to see your perspective on someone else riding
On the hunt! Fun video!
Honestly your lines are perfect yo had some great passes and I do not know where there is room for improvement
these camera views are great! good riding too bro
Jerry is alot patient in the corners and hops around more
Now everyone gets to see the difference between the tracks back in Ohio, and the skill level on those tracks, and the tracks out in SoCal. It’s a different animal.
Just out of curiosity , you consider this terrain hard pack? I am asking because here in Italy we have lot of tracks where the ground is practically concrete😂 at the end of the day you can see the black mark from the tires on the jump landing
Your bike is oversteering compared to Jerry’s thus the difference in corner line choice and exit speed as well as lean angle confidence/tire trust. It looks like on-throttle your bike steps out in the rear so try taking some LSC out of the shock. This will settle the back end through the apex and exit of the corner without affecting ride height and bump absorption through the chop. This should also help keep the front end higher through said chop and eliminate some of the headshake and harshness you are feeling which is likely the fork riding too low in the stroke. Theres a hell of a lot that goes into setup as you well know so ill just say the broader idea here is that Jerrys bike is more understeery and your bike is more oversteery. Essentially through static changes or through clicker and spring/preload changes we would be looking to raise your front end and lower the back without compromising performance. Things you can try in addition to less lsc: drop forks in clamps, more fork spring preload, more sag, bars further back in clamps, taller bars/mounts etc. i would lean towards trying less LSC and more fork spring preload if needed. Hope that helps man
move your levers in more, soften up the front, glen has nasty chop, levers in will help with elbows dropping. Note that he doesnt use his middle finger for levers, that also helps force elbows up and will help you loosen your grip which will help with arm pump a TON. out west our tracks do not develop the ruts your used to and our dirts not as sticky so you have to find features mid corner to pivot off of. Momentum is key here too just like a sand track except how you get the momentum is different. He's ripping those last few laps, great comparison bud.
side by side of the different sections would be sick
It is really notorious the speed he carry on corners, specially at the entry, that means more momentum in the transition and exit, he’s really fast 😮
I love these natural terrain tracks more than tracks built up on flat land. I just dont fare well at all with so much sand. In sections i can deal, but whole tracks? You guys are animals
It’s actually boring. Really no jumps and dangerous fast
Hell yeah brother
Let me start by saying you're way faster than me, but I watch enough and ride enough to pick up on a couple of things. It looks like a lot of the turns you're turning two, maybe three times within one turn. In comparison to Jerry's cam, he's got one smooth motion through the turn. Compare 6:30 to 11:49
thats a good comparison
whats yalls advice for going through breaking bumps i really struggle on rough tracks im just starting to get decent speed but the min im on a rough track i cant do anything. is it more a lean alittle back squeeze ur elgs and send it or what.
Looks like Jerry also uses all of the track to keep his speed and momentum going and almost never angles the bike too far over in turns to keep it upright and fast.
Guy at the end on the KTM was loooseeee
You need to move out here and you would be a top 20 guy like Jerry. How many national caliber riders come out of California? A lot.
It looks like Jerry is a little smoother through the turns and not worrying so much about corner entry speed
His front end is WAY more settled in the rough stuff
Riding hard pack is pretty simple you just sit on the gas tank grab the throttle look the way you wanna go and let it figure itself out
Jerrys bike sounds extremely powerful!
His bike sounds so good.
This is really what you needed Jeff I would say that after watching the past couple povs technique is where your lacking especially in the corners with dropping elbows just a thing I noticed anyhow it’s good to see you trying to improve on that hope this off weekend is killer and you can pick up some more speed and come out swinging at southwick #ttp
I agree with the suspension comments but it also seems like that Yamaha (prob got an insane motor in it) puts the power down better too
Maybe I'm out to lunch, but that Yamaha looks like it accelerates WAY harder than the GG-especially up top. . Looks fast everywhere of course, but damn when he gets through the midrange it looks like he's hitting nitros. That bike looks really fun to ride on the main at GH
Whenever I feel like riding Glen Helen I just go home and ride a jackhammer
You definitely need to come back to GH for 2t Nationals !
They really need the national back at Glen Helen lol
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Just follow some of the really good super mini's around......
Love the Unique yz450 sound
FYI where I ride here in Australia GH looks like a loamy sand track. Suggestion if you have time you tube Appin mx especially the practice track for hard packed it’s blue grooved and like cement by the afternoons.
Really great riding last couple of rounds and here at glen helen 👊🏻 the difference in the motors is quite noticeable with a lot more over Rev on the yam, seems crazy to mortals like me but me thinks a more aggressive hit when ya feeling fruity type of tune is needed ?? Great work keep going 🇬🇧🇺🇸
It's definitely set up a lil better and line choice. His bike looks and sounds like he prefers more bottom end torque. Your bike sounds smoother off the bottom. Idk what tires you run but some pros use the DUNLOP AT 82. And depending on the bike a 90 front tire for more comfort. I think you look good tho since your injury. Just have more confidence in yourself. I've been watching you for a awhile and you got it bud. Maybe you think too much. Lol. Idk. I think your doing great other than line choice. Keep it up
Me thinking of a million things to say and then realizing your like 10 times faster then me, ima js keep my mouth shut😂
Where is camera? Bottom helmet? Did u use ND filters? Awesome footage!
The differences i can see are acceleration out of the corners and he's harder on the brakes. Jerry zig zags and you seem more curvy if that makes sense.
why is that big hill not in use anymore??
well i felt like i was getting faster at GH before watching this video😂😂
I see what the problem is. You need a blue bike.
you both were ripping and so where those lil dudes on the superminis.
Jwalk! Have you tried Hoosier tires?
What camera are you using?
He looks more comfortable and confident around the track
I know i'm not pro or anything but I think you could gain alot more time but just opening up your corners more.
This track is so gnarly the video doesn’t do it justice
track isn’t that bad, your just a bad rider
It was pretty brutal when I was there! Not sure how typical that is, but I certainly wouldn’t have wanted to be out there if I were a beginner
@@updababydrac dawg why is that your first thought lmao you don’t know me
@@michaelsz6686 your slow
Jerry’s roll speed in corners compared to yours is very evident. Along with rolling back onto throttle a little smoother and earlier exiting corners.
Jerry has that trk wired!
Lap time comparison ?
His set up is way more planted than yours. Think rebound has a lot to do with it but there is also a compliance aspect of it too. Almost seems like your packing into mid speed then getting a jump in resistance which is intensified by the fast rebound. But what do I know lol.
Hate the YZ intake noise!
wow his suspension compared to yours
It sounds like you're letting off the gas before the top of the jump, but it doesn't look like your front end is falling first? Just watch Deegan jump. He doesn't let off the throttle until the bike lands and he encounters a turn. It keeps your momentum going and probably shaves a quarter second off every jump to improve your lap time. Just a back seat drivers opinion.
It's funny you said that the track is hardpack because it looks more like sand in the video.
What camera settings?
It’s the bike… it’s always the bikes fault LOl. he is cutting high to low. I don’t know how they steer like that with the rear wheel.
Nite and day difference there
in addition to ur suspension probably being to stiff and unpredictable, it sounds like u need to ride a higher gear to get the suspension to settle even better in the hard pack
I guess I see it completely different, sand is too slow sluggish and dangerous going to make me crash, whereas hard pack is easier to control, faster, traction Etc to me dirt is dirt sand is sand and motorcycles right on dirt. Hard pack needs like 8 to 12 lbs tire pressure for me, some even less.
Even still, you always go fast, to me.
3rd
You look faster
Man Jerry don’t use that clutch.. all traction.. Don’t get it im a clutch abuser bad
23rd top rider not top 20 rider 😅
Just by watching your first 2 laps. What I see as a fan of the sport: You are turning too sharp. The fast line appears to be from the outside into the turns but you are entering turns from the middle of the track.
He’s a top 40 pro no gonna lie u still bark on the bike like u would toast me but he is a top 40 and his best finish is I think (I think) 23 in 250
Jerry got 8th place at Fox Raceway last year in the 450 class and has a ton of top 20 and top 15 finishes
He responded to me I didn’t think he would oh my god
Jerry robin top 20??? Uhhmm🤔
8th place last year at fox Raceway. So I guess you’re right, “top 10” might be more appropriate?
@@JeffWalker84 you and him are fast. No doubt about it !!!
I think the Yamaha guy's suspension is better than yours. Yours seems too stiff, which results in a bike that's too bouncy and physically exhausting. Preferably, I like Yamaha's suspension better.
The question of trajectories... the trajectory he uses is very common for those who ride road bikes.
Especially on corner exits... when you accelerate in the middle of the corner, and let the throttle push the bike's trajectory to the opposite side of the corner. You gain time, exit speed and increased traction.
And the same applies to entering a bend, making the step per bend and the bend tangent well is a big step towards being a little faster.
I know Glenn Helen is iconic, but damn it looks like a shit track