Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Winter Below Freezing Review | Shelby GT350 | Auto Fanatic
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Review in below freezing temperature on my Shelby GT350. This tire is simply incredible in every regard I never experienced such a good tire that can do everything beyond the limits with no compromises. Just shot this video live in NY and it is cold as hell! I do not recommend anyone to drive on summer tires below 45 degree temps. This video was conducted just as a test and these tires are not a replacement for winter or all season variants.
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Great video for those of us who enjoy high performance vehicles and want to drive them on a year round basis. Thanks for all of your hard work on this and I have to say your red and white GT350 is truly awesome!
I went from the pilot sports to the mps4s and the difference was night and day on my M5 competition pack. Went from spinning the real wheels at 120mph+ to gripping in second. Never seen road tyres tame a 600bhp rwd so convincingly. Best upgrade I ever made, apart from going to 750bhp in the summer 😁
For 600 bhp and more power Michelin Sport Cup 2 is better. But only important that you need to know is that Michelin Sport Cup 2 tires don't use when the temperature is low ( cold ).
True they’re great in warm to hot weather but damn are they terrible when the temp drops!
I've found the Pilot Sport 4Ss to be decent in cold weather (e.g slightly below freezing), but once there's snow/ice all the grip is lost - just to keep in mind!
Because Michelin Sport 4S are summer tires.
@MDEV I am getting some 4s tires on Monday. Can they be used in the Winter? Under 32 degrees. I thought it would damage the tires.
@@tyarnold4088 Michelin says don't use below 50 degrees you can damage the tires
The Pilot Sport 4S is amazing because the inner half of the tire is made from a harder compound for rain and cold temps. And the outer half of the tire is extreme summer compound.
so impressive and so much better than the PSS I feel.
Eric Wang
Yeah Eric you watch a UA-cam video on Michelin PS4.
But there is a lot more that goes into them. Do real resource not just watch UA-cam vids
Auto Fanatic
It really depends on the car, the weight, the power, the torque, the suspension. PS4 are not as good as PSS some cars like my F90 M5
911 991.2 TURBO S ok
so was the PSS to be fair. I don't know about harder, but definitely high silica on the inner tread for the reason you say and mileage. To be completely honest most tyres, once warmed up, even if cold outside, tend to perform OK
video just proves how superior this tire is to every other summer tire offered. thats why i did it
Auto Fanatic Aweome video. I have 2018 GT350 and has the Michelin Pilot Super Sport and it's true what you say "not the greatest tires". I'm looking at the Pilot Sport 4s did you go with a different tire size? Because 295/35ZR 19 or 305/35ZR19 are not available 😏
@@alexl6433 9 months later and they haven't started making them. Did you find an answer? The very inside of both my front tires are all but to the cords, and although I will mix and match I'd prefer not to.
These videos are amazing for newbie or semi newbie mustang owners or even people who are looking to buy a mustang in the future. Keep posting fam idc what others say I love your vids!!!!
The issue with these tires and cold weather is not grip its the compound used to make them. Freezing temps can damage the tires due to the compound changes under cold temperatures so just keep that in mind that the tire might not last a long if you use all season.
I use these on all my high horsepower cars in temps in the 30s and 40s and never have any traction issues. below 20 etc a dedicated winter tire is suggested of course
I also just ordered my 18 gt350 in lead foot grey and i love watching your videos.
You will love it man you have real driving roads not the shit broken up NYC junk i drive on, i can not wait to move from the area in a few months,
From a fellow GT350 owner, thanks for maknig these videos. Very informative .
thanks, brembo brake squeal video will be uploaded shortly today, you wont want to miss that one. thanks AF
I just love the red with white stripes! Amazing!
I’ve driven below freezing temps driving from Idaho to California Bay Area in my brz. The PS4s did a lot better than I would have ever expected them to do given the fact that they are summer tires. Although I did notice a higher amount of wear on them I think it was because I also made sure to keep them as warm as I could by slightly weaving large and right on long straights.
low mid 20s temps in an awd 20g turbo car, they seem to be holding up for me. Also parked in a insulated garage over night.
Great Video . I just bought a Q60 trying to figure out what tire i want . Ive had good times with sticky Michelins and great breaks in the rainy wa. weather . I only use summer tires myself . Luckily dont have to drive on ice or snow being retired .lol.
Thanks for the awesome video and testing ...... like I said on a post in one of you other videos, it's like watching you drive my car. Gotta get these tires .......... Thanks so much.
thanks for the support, Shelby Brembo brake squeal video was shot and will go live Monday so you def want to watch that one as everyone seems to have this issue.
Most things I’ve read don’t recommend letting the car idle to warm up. Let the car warm up for a minute or so and then drive it at lower RPMs until it’s at an acceptable operating temp.
Mark Grey I let my 5.0 idle warm up 5 minutes max. Then I start driving at low rpms. My drivers manual says don’t let idle for too long.
You are right. It's only necessary to let a long time idle car to warm up if your car has carburettors.
I guess I feel a little better about driving my 19 GT Perf Pack with these P4S I live in northern NJ we have basically the same weather
Can I use them all year ?
on dry asphalt, summer tires still perform better than winter tires in terms of stopping distance and grip in cold weather above the freezing point.
but always get your winter tires on ASAP because if you ever hit a patch of ice or some light snow you might be SOL.
Great video, glad I came across it! I live near Pittsburgh and I'm heading to Florida to pick up a BMW M2 that has these tires on them. I was concerned about driving it back here in the cold, and this video helped lessen my concerns. Now I just hope it doesn't snow and shit. :)
Once your summer tires are exposed to 20 degrees they have to be brought up gradually to 40 degrees gradually. If not your tires can be damaged or even crack. Ask me how I know😢
Do you have issues with the following statement that is on their website?
Note: Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle.
Flexing of the specialized rubber compounds used in Max Performance Summer tires during cold-weather use can result in irreversible compound cracking. Compound cracking is not a warrantable condition because it occurs as the result of improper use or storage, tires exhibiting compound cracking must be replaced.
Any cracking noticed?
I appreciate your willingness to test these tires in said conditions. I'd be curious to see the results of a closed test from like Tire Rack or something to see how they perform quantitatively.
Tire Rack does good testing but they are not driving them daily to compile enough data usually it's a one shot deal and the feedback the staff gets that day is what goes into the results. Also the Tire Rack for liability reasons will never test ZR rated tires in cold winter conditions due to them being a reseller and liable for misleading a consumer I did this test for fun and to prove this tire does work in the winter temps.
Very nice video, but the main issue does not change. Sub zero, P Zero, Michelin PS4 and other tires increase exponentially the risk of structural failure/cracks. Especially if hitting road hazards, potholes, anything that can stress these tires.
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That set up looks incredible man. The 6GR Fives looked great as well.
can you believe how these tires stick in the below freezing temps, just blown away at these. Yeah the new wheels look killer!
So you have badder highways than we have in Belgium. Didn't know it was possible. I have to change my summer tires on my 2015 Focus ST and I definitely will buy those PS4S. During Winter I use the Pirelli Sottozero III, they are great.
Michelin Pilot Sport 4s transformed my Mk3 Focus RS, even more grip with the AWD.
i can imagine, the one i reviewed has Cup2 and i loved those as well but they are not good in the rain or lower temps.
very good info! I am driving my GT350 tomorrow in Seattle with temps near 36F in the morning!
Incredible! Thank you for the video! Michelin have just come out with the sizes for these for the EcoBoost and was eager to see how they'd handle the cold. (Coming from Scotland) Similar temps over here and my Pzeros do okay after a warm up but still extremely ropey. If you are keeping these on your GT350 for a while I'd be keen to see a follow up of your thoughts on the P4s in the cold. Thanks again!
And PS the format of your reviews perfect. Its like being there with you on the drive. You should look at Binaural Microphones for your driving recordings. They pick up everything like human ears!
John Bremner toss the Pzeros there is no comparison this P4s is the best tire you can get right now between how good it is in the rain and now in the cold there isnt another summer tire that can do it this good. all i can say is buy these tires now and youll enjoy you ur car so much more
My next tires on my Miata will be Michelin Pilot Sport All season even though I live in Texas, I will be using the Miata on all year roadtrips.
Thanks for this video. I have a daily driver with 21" and zero all season options. I have Continentals now and they are terrible. I'm just south of you and we do get frequent sub-freezing temps thru the winter. I am purchasing these soon. It makes you wonder why all car manufacturers send summer tires stock to even colder locations than ours. Thank you.
Nice video. I ran the Michelin PS4S all the way through our UK winter last year and was also incredibly impressed with the bite and grip from what is supposed to be an UHP summer tyre. I used to swap to winter rubber, but with the PS4S I don't need to. I even found them to be ok in light snow.
yeah this tire truly impressed in the cold, rain and summer best tire they made for a street car
Did they crack?
They'll crack. Mine did. You're just pushing your luck.
@@FinnyG47 thats what I figured. How cold do you think can you drive them in? Anything above 32 degrees? Or do you think only 50 and up.
@Gary Finfrock so don't use them under 32 degrees? I am getting some next week.
Temps are one thing but New York winters include snow and ice Where you WONT be getting any traction.
Hoping no one with all seasons or not will drive a GT350 in the snow. lol
The 4s is the truth bro, i love them. Am here in Germany and i cruise about 130-140 MPH in my 2015 GT in the rain. Those tires hook in the rain and my traction control never kick in even when am getting on it. I will never go to another tire after driving on the 4s. Its a bit pricey but it totally worth every freaking penny.
boss mikey thanks for posting your feedback these tires are great all around, the best tire in ever scenario.
Auto Fanatic I just ordered a set of 275/40/20 Pilot sport 4s for my Charger hellcat.. they apparently have a 30k mile warranty lol. I know they won’t last that long so they prorate the difference and I’ll get the rest as a down payment on my next set 😂 I ran through my current Pirelli p zero in 9k miles
wait til you try these out on the Hellcat the car will actually launch harder and more controlled i have driven them on that car already a HUGE difference. Have fun!
Auto Fanatic really? What’s the best 0-60 you’ve gotten in one? And does the car turn a lot better than the normal Pirelli
Drove up to snow cap local summit. A good 30 miles up from 100ft above sea level to 4300ft. Top 300-500 feet had a snow, a few inches at the top. It had snowed overnight by that afternoon it was 50*+, tires were warmed by then but not hot. Once I got to the slush and icy road it was slipping and sliding all over. Had to go about 15mph to not slip. Tires were newish.
Thank you so very much for making this video and putting that fine Shelby through its paces !!! ....
Have you done any rain videos with temps falling below 50 to 40 degrees F ? I found that a bit slippery around corners even on normal mode with traction control on. In warm weather the tires work exceptionally well in rain. Below 45 degrees things seem to become noticeably different. And you are right, you become a better driver. Im 58 and a driver had to work to keep any car on the road and each and every car was different, until now with these tires and technology. Track mode, Sport Plus mode are the real deal but the cops hear ya coming from a mile away around here....
Living in Canada (I'm a dually passported individual) during this time of year, we get a lot of night and morning fog and mist. I just bought a
2020 GT Mustang Convertible Perf Pkg 1 (Awesome vehicle T.Y. Ford !) and with these tires and I was reluctant to push it at 40 degree weather until now...
Thank you so much for making this video. I put 3500 miles on the car... this month lol. Thank you again... great video...
As he skids into the guy ahead of him - I think my testing is done !
I just bought my second set of MPS 4s and literally there isnt another tire on the market that i can use through out the year that offers the performance justabilty with these harsh chances in temperature in Wisconsin. During the Mid December time frame through late Febuary i use my stock wheels with a set of Cooper Discoverer True North tires.
Best review on topic I found online ,,,, much appreciated
Great cold air for engine temps, I bet you made some good power on the intake temp side ! I have a Subaru Legacy with the flat 6 cly it come with better handling springs and roll bar vs the standard flat 4, the car originally had Bridgestone's Trunza EL400s they were complete garbage tire. Once I went with Michelin Pilots A/S 3, what a world of difference. One thing I notice on the Pilots are they are very sensitive to tire pressure adjustments, my Legacy calls for 33 psi in the front and 32 in the rear and I have found that going 2 psi over that seems to be the best for at least my car.
I'm debating between the A/S 3+ and the Pilot Sport 4. How did you like the A/S 3 and did you ever drive it in the snow if so how did it perform? I'm very limited on Tire size since I'm running 265/45/20s on a Bi-Turbo AMG.
Great review. I am not sure they are superior to all of the summer tires as there are a few that are just better in the dry summer days. However, for "all around" these might just be the best you can get at the moment. Everything I see about them seems to be that they are great in the rain, great when it is cooler and just generally an awesome all around tire.
Which tire is better then than the ps4s in the dry days?
@@ADDONRACER nitto, toyo, mickey Thompson
@@ADDONRACER Michelin Sport Cup 2 and Continental SportContact 7.
@@gunsmokezz You are wrong: For dry weather Michelin Sport Cup 2 and Continental SportContact 7 are better that you mention.
A set of 4 of these in 20in will cost me a cool $1,200 but man do they look like good tires. I have the Michelin Super Sports now, and probably got 10k miles left in them. But these look so good.
Have you had any issues with the tire's rubber compound cracking at these temperatures? Michelin says that the compound could crack when the tires are exposed to temperatures below 20 degrees Fahrenheit. The next few nights near me are supposed to have a low temperature of 23 degrees Fahrenheit.
Jake B nope only on car for 48hr been stored in heated garage since no issues just did video to test them out in these temps and i could not break them loose
Mich told me 43 degrees .
I live in New York, my summer tired cracked up very bad due to running them all their winter on my BMW M4
I am a fan of the pilot super sport they have discontinued this tire. So I have purchased the new PS4s for my Lexus ISF I will be testing them , I live in a summer state but need good performance for my driving style, I've had great experience with the earlier Pilot super sport it never let me down, when it came the very hard driving so I trust this PS4s is going to be exciting to have on my ISF Lexus the real type. Thanks for the cold weather test in your GT350
Michelin pilot Sport 4S tires are better than Michelin pilot Sport 5 and Michelin Sport 4 tires.
Not sure if you are aware but temps below 20°F apparently can damage these tires if they are mounted and supporting the weight of a vehicle.
See below:
Internal construction of the Pilot Sport 4S features twin steel belts reinforced by a spirally wound hybrid reinforcement. This hybrid Aramid and nylon belt offers a lightweight, high-strength reinforcement above the steel belts to enhance high-speed handling, wear and durability. Specifically tuning the application of the cord filament provides Michelin engineers the ability to balance tension and strength, and a single-ply, polyester cord casing balances trade-offs between ride quality and responsive handling.
Note: Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle.
this was just a test drive they are no longer on the car in below freezing temps and stored in a heated garage.
I just bought a manual 2019 Hyundai Veloster Ultimate Turbo, one step under the N. My car came with these tires. We had a snowmageddon here in St. Louis this past weekend and with just a little bit of snow on the ground I was sliding everywhere. I found out that evening that these tires are summer tires and are not supposed to be used under 40° or in snow, which the dealership did not tell me. I'm buying all season tires today for the winter until spring.
This video answers my exact concern!! Thank u
just above freezing I had my SL63 out and the 4S tires are definitely more slippery on dry pavement than at well above freezing but they are still better than my Continental 5p that came with the car.
You should test Continental SportContact 7 tires.
My main concern driving with PS4S tires in winter temps below -10*C is that the tires will lose traction and slide and also it will damage the tires since they are too cold/brittle. Is that something you've experienced?
watch my last video on these tires on the Camaro ZL1 1LE, they are not designed for winter but will safely get you home and make your car usable as long as there is no snow and ice on the ground.
Yup! The Pilot Sport 4 S’s are hard as rocks and sketchy as hell in cold and damp weather! Seriously scary as HELL! And I’m in California
Great video..thanks! Next tire for my C6 corvette down here in Atlanta, for all year round!
Great vid. I'm running these on my ZL1 1LE and they have been fantastic so far. I only spun sideways once after running over some wet leaves. You still gotta respect it but for regualar driving they are more than adequate.
Thanks for sharing the tires on the 1LE are dangerous to say the least on most streets. I just took the Cup2 off my Shelby GT350R and its night sand day with the Pilot 4S
The Pilot Sport 4S is BY FAR the best tire I have ever put on my cars! While I am not in the habit of driving on summer tires when temps are in the 20s, it is good to know you can do it in a pinch with the 4S and there is no need to panic. Perhaps I was a little hasty when switching over to my Blizzaks (around Thanksgiving).
Did you alter your tire pressures when driving the PS4S in the cold weather?
As good as the PSS was, the PS4S is even better! It will be interesting see if the tread life is any longer than the PSS. Having said that, tread life is NOT the primary reason for using these tires, performance and safety is!
RJC2001 yeah i didnt want to switch but had no choice with snow, the 4S. is so much better than the Super sport and the super sport was better than the Ps2 so it's a good progressive but damn its a little long before these new versions come to market.
Anyone have any mileage on their 4S tires? I do have about 5000 miles on mine, and have lots of tread and the tires are very odd......... They can grip like crazy and I have a hard time making them spin with my 668 ft lbs of torque and 577+ hp, on NEW pavement, but on old pavement that appears to have more wear on it the tires can act like they are on ice, they can slide around with 1/5 throttle and I find it dangerous.. I think the rubber compound is a wrong formula for all pavement types, they are good on black asphalt that is new, or on a racetrack... But for every day driving you can go from great traction to 20% traction on 2 different roads.
Big difference in noise and grip depending on pavement. I drive Audi S5 (awd) and they can skid if I punch it while turning but most people never drive like that. At least they don’t squeal like the cheap Contis.
For cars with more than 580 hp ( your car is in the limit ) Michelin Sport Cup 2 is the solution. But it is not a tire for cold weathers.
I had new tyres fitted to my Giulia QV today. Didn’t want another set of Corsas and as you know the options are limited. In the end I went for the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport in OEM sizes. According to most reviews, they are on par with the MPS4S. Excited to run them in and report back.
After 2 years, what's your experience about Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport ?.
I just worry about them cracking...
My factory MPSS2 did fine in the winter on my gt350, even did a 20 degree track day. Heat makes the difference
FYI, the fastest way to warm up a modern car is to drive it moderately until it fully warms up. Excessive idling a cold engine wastes gas, causes more wear on the motor, dilutes the oil with gasoline. Idling the motor at startup warms the coolant & oil, but the trans, rear axle, brakes, suspension, etc are still cold which drives the computers crazy. I've seen dozens of cars suffer early engine failure due to repeated, extended cold idling. I just replaced the MPSS summer tires on my 16 Stingray w/ MPS A/S3+ all season tires. These tires can be tracked but will cost you some time compared to the MPSS's. Almost went with the 4S's, but wanted to be able to drives in slushy, light snowy weather. I don't think the 4S's will compare favorably in traction challenged situations like snow, slush, etc. All that said, the 4S's are light years better in the cold than the MPSS or the Cup 2's.
You are wrong: The Michelin Sport Cup 2 is the best tire for hight power car ( + 580hp ).But it's true that Michelin PS CUP 2 is not a winter tire.
Anxious to see how the Pilot Sport AS3 Plus perform here in Albuquerque. Yes, the weather drops well below freezing and stay there for days and weeks! You mentioned that wheel cleaner you previously tested in a video and now not liking. Thanks! Yesterday received the Nanoskin Non-Acid Wheel & Tire Cleaner. The dilution rate is 4:1. They also recommend using a “Foamimg Trigger Sprayer”. Going to use the “Solo” that arrived earlier in the week.
its a great tire in the winter youll see.
I just put on a set of AS3+ on today! Just driving around I already noticed how much better the ride is compared to the Cinturato P7's I had on before. Can't wait to see how it does in the Maryland winter and more importantly in the summer.
My CTS-V is a lil rough with the summer tires. Going to give these a shot next cold season: PILOT SPORT A/S 3+ (W- OR Y-SPEED RATED)
But how well do they perform in nearly freezing rain and light snow?
its still cold up here in canada and my winters are worn, have a set of new pilot sport 4s, think i'll stick them on the car now after watching this video. love that V8 btw
yeah they are great just dont drive in snow or ice but in cold temps they will get you by just fine
Beautiful car can’t wait to get them on my 2011 335 xdrive!
I currently have these tires on my Veloster R-spec and was planing on swapping for Michelin Pilots sport AS3. Your test was very informative and makes me feel better about diving the 4’s in a pinch. Would you still recommend swapping to a winter or all season tire for prolonged winter use? Trying to prevent cracking and excessive wear.
While this is a cool test, you do risk damaging the compound driving these hard anywhere below about 40F degrees. If you have to deal with winter I would consider the AS3's or Continental's DWS tires.
For anyone considering this, please understand that when he poked the tire with the screwdriver, they really are bricks. You can crack them at those temps as well. Just get a set of winters if you live in a cold climate.
i have customers using these all year long and leaving their cars out all winter and not once have the Pilot 4S cracked on any customers car. Now Michelin has had severe cracking issues on their Pilot Sport AS3 and All Season tires for years and I did videos on that years ago. the 4S is much more resilient than they are claiming and this is from our experience with customers at out workshop
@@autofanaticcars Interesting, but given the results from Tyre Reviews, I'd still stick with the two-set approach.
I have these on my G80 M3, they are fantastic. Haven’t driven them in the cold though.
Same here there a great all around performance tire
They also say, “Allow to soak for 1 minute, then agitate with brush. Rinse off with pressure washer”. All of which you mentioned in your videos while using and testing other wheel and tire cleaners!
try it out let me know how it works, but after fixing my brake squeal last night and seeing what wheel cleaners did to my Brembo hardware things will change moving forward so il show everyone in a few days when i edit that video.
Auto Fanatic For sure! I’m going to start with 4:1. But directions also say, “Dilute the product to your desired strength”. Will take photos. Anxious to see how it cleans and foams using the Solo.
Can’t wait to put them on my 2011 335 xdrive this week!!
Very impressive. But I'll stick with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ for the cold months (I live in Connecticut) on my freshly acquired 2016 Performance Package equipped Mustang GT. I got the car last week and it has just 12,400 miles on it. Loving it so far. Put the Michelin A/S 3+ tires on it today so they need some breaking in.
As3+ is a great tire we use them often for customers down this way and I have them for 2.5 years on my Q50RS and they are good all around, just be careful when it gets icy because they will not stop on ice so adjust your driving style when those conditions arise or stay home
Thanks for doing the great review
What tire size did you go with? Great video, I know its older. But I'm recommending these tires to my friend whos got a gt350, like you. But said 305's aren't available. Thanks.
Wouldn't summer tires be at risk of cracking below 20F, and then it's game over plus of course Michelin would deny any warranty claims?
you have some balls trying this in the 20s. the dunlop sport maxx tires that came on my wrx are absolutely drive able at 36F, but i wasnt trying any of these kind of antics with them lol. i never drove on them lower than that nor was it wet at the time if that would make a difference. i got the same winter tires as you and love them so far as well btw.
Dunlops are horrible tires, i never liked one in 30 years trying them, this new P4S is literally like contact cemented to the pavement its insane how good they are in all conditions this was just a test and boy did it surprise me because the Pilot Super Sports or any other Summer tire would have sent me off the road in this test drive. If you have the dough in the spring I highly suggest you put there on your WRX it will blow your mind,
they seemed good to me but ive been driving on all seasons all my life so i dont have much to compare them to. from what ive read people seem to think they are decent tires, im sure not as good as ps4's but i havent found many people calling them horrible. but yea its something im considering for sure. right now i have the sottozero's on the stock wheels, in spring im gonna get a 2nd set of wheels, might decide to go up to 18" not sure yet but if i do id need new tires anyway as the car came with 17".
I have Michelin as/3 on my car now, time to replace the rears, I want these...do you see any issues with this set up?
I was considering the PSS tires for my S65 after my friend got into my ear about them, seeing as your not really having an issue in this weather, and that we drive in the same neighborhood, i think im gonna give them a go
NY_V12 there's a difference between PSS and Pilot Sport 4s (which is the one reviewed on this video)
wow you are brave to step on it at those temps....I just bought a 2016 GT PP1
He is stepping on it once he has the tires warmed up. When those tires are cold they won't grip.
Looks lovely and warm
Awesome, thanks for the review!
Awsome video, but did you see that 4th gen prelude at around 2:05 into the video.😍🤣
why are all the leaves on the tree green and grass bright green …looks summer to me 😂
@autofanatic What are your thoughts on using all season tires on a Mustang? Do you think it's better to go with UHP summer tires for most of the year and switch to winters in winter instead?
We get really bad winters here in Ontario between 12-24+ inches on some heavy snow falls so as for using the Michelin Pilot A/S 3's for the winter I use that for my summer tires! I purchased the Michelin X-Ice Xi3's which are rated the best winter tires for many years but trust me it's not a great match for the S550's as in everything except for snow it's awesome and really scary in heavy and even freshly laid snow so save yourself the money! I then went with Bridgestone Blizzak's and even though I don't like the road noise and MAJOR gas consumption this thing is not good at it will give you the safety and confidence to drive in the snow with our S550 that Michelin cannot give me with their XIce Xi3's. I've gone through 8-12+ inches of snow with this car and have never gotten stuck and I work in a back road that the city takes least priority in cleaning. Be warned that the Blizzak's with drink your gas like there's no tomorrow but having the ability to drive this car with confidence in the snow I don't give two shits if I'm almost paying double in gas consumption for safety! The bEST all season I used was the new Michelin Premiere AS. I didn't even use winters on my Honda Accord and went all year long using the Michelin Premiere AS and it's awesome, you should compare the 4S to the Premiere's and I can guarantee you it's the better tire between the 2!
I drove on 3 very bad NY winters on Blizzak LM32 and the car was awesome, 15 GT PP.
I’m trying to find out of my ps4s’s can go skiing with me… I’m in California so there isn’t snow on the road, but it gets cold still around 20-25f at night.
I’m more concerned about those who say that it could damage the tires with cracking. Are the ps4s’s victim to this too?
oh & 1-more thing i think you all are overlooking.....you know they (the city) puts ice melter -salt;on the roads to help melt the snow-ice. what do you think it does to the underside of your cars?....is it really worth it??
Great videos. Just picked up my GT350. I live in NH, planning to drive on cold, dry days in the winter. Currently running just the stock Pilot Sports on the stock wheels. I think it would be wise for me to pick another set of wheels to run some all-seasons that can handle the winter temps. What would you recommend?
Sam Penkacik get the Pirelli Winter Sotozeros if you guys get really bad winters or you can try a Conti DWS
Regarding panic maneuvers behind the wheel. When I drive my Land Cruiser, I don't panic...
Great I was thinking of the 4s , I hear good things all over.....
get them man it will transform your Mustang is so many ways.
Once the Pilot super sports warm up, even on very cold days they do just fine. I've driven in 18 degrees on them and once up to temp they grip pretty good
depends how hard you push the car really, the P4S is the most confident tire in all conditions i ever have tested.
Auto Fanatic I've never had any issue with the PSS once warm. I have AWD so I am sure that matters
ha ha ha AWD is cheating man, im referring to high HP RWD cars the PSS is sketchy in the rain and low temps. When you burn yours up you should really consider the P4S your car will be phenomenal with AWD
How much did the drive change as the tire warmed up? I would think warmed up tires on cold pavement would provide excellent grip.
Coming up on my first winter in my ‘13 WRX and the dealership I bought it from put on brand new Pilot Sport 4 S’s and I’m curious how it’s going to play out
If this tyres keep a mustang on the track then are good tyres
Hey guys just fitted my 17 R8 v10 plus with these. Loving them but have only been driving on days that are in the 45 plus weather range. Thing is I live in Toronto and most days the weather is below 40. I keep getting told by people that these tires will crack in the winter. I’ve had Pirellis on all my cars and never had one crack ever on me regardless of weather. Just curious if anyone knows if these Michelin’s are more sensitive or if people were just talking theoretical to me. Obviously smarter to have winters and I agree, but I drive this car on dry sunny days only in the winter.
Any insight would be appreciated. Btw these tires are insane in terms of grip.
Im suuuuuuuper late lol but how where they? I live in Washington so coldness isnt as severe as in Toronto. Dont plan on driving it much during cold but dont have a insulated garage to store it to so I wanna know if they will actually crack.
Thinking about putting the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 305/30/19's all around on my factory 2017 Shelby GT350 wheels. Any fitment issues or challenges?
Everything about NY sucks in my opinion, especially near any of your cities, but I dig your vids. About to take the sport cup 2’s off my TS and get these. Temps got to the upper 30’s for a few days (south Alabama) and now they are hella noisy lol. Looks like I’m going your route for tires.
More options: Continental SportContact 7 and Goodyear F1 SuperSport.
What are on the front, 315’s?
How do the PS4S compare to Pilot Super Sports? I still have the Super Sports on my M5.
Hey arent you comparing older used PSS to brand new PS4S? Brand new will always be more complaint . I ask because im running PSS but i too noticed they have become harder and slip when you get on it 50% worn. Im in LA and its garaged all the time but still the tires just get older and harder in age... would be good to know what the PS4S fairs at 50% used...
Not really i drive brand new cars each week with PSS, the P4S is a far better tire in every category and this last test even proves that below recommended temps it still sticks better than every other tire in the category. Consider upgrading if you decide to go with new wheels or wait for the OEM sizes to eventually come out for the P4S
Auto Fanatic thanks!
i wonder how much worse they are going to be for me in actually cold temps where i live (got to -60f here in iowa a few years ago)
HI- I am going to purchase new tires this week. Thanks for this video, it really helps! it seems traction is fine, but what would you say to those who say the tire can get damaged? I am in NYC so dealing with similar weather
Traction is fine without snow, with snow it's like a skating rink also with driving summer tires in the winter the tires could literally just start taking chunks off when driving
From the same area 💪🏼
What size are u running? Thinking of using these on my booster 17 and I’m also in ny (Hudson valley). Thanks.
Given I have no choice, would you do Perelli P Zero or Michelin SS?
SS do not do the P Zeros they are terrible. I am going to do the same SS swap on my Alfa Romeo in OEM sizes because the 4s do not come in the right sizes