One thing that keeps on surprising me as a dutch person is that in the discussion but also in the counter arguments for biking, people seem to think there is only one choice. So you either bike, use a car or public transport. Biking is just another option for transport, so if there indeed is a lot of snow, or you need to go to a hilly environment you can use a car or train like I do. I bike much less in winter than in the other seasons. And if the roads have iced up I don't bike at all. But I can still walk, or have other options. And biking shouldn't be made available for the die hard biking community. It needs to be as accessible as walking without you making a statement by biking. That is why you should bike with a helmet on. Because when you go walking you also don't wear a helmet. Biking itself brings so much health that it counters the risk factors. However older people with electric bikes constitute a large proportion of the insured and deaths on a bike in the Netherlands. Perhaps that could be an acception. On the other hand, Americans have a much higher risk of dying in a car, than dutch cyclist do in the Netherlands. So why not demand helmets in cars if the risk is so high?
Well we Dutch can bike safely because we have safe bike lanes. Don't know about Canada, but I worked in Miami for a while, and i tried to bike to my new job a few times...It was hell ! It's not just the traffic. Some Americans actually get angry when they see someone on a bike. They block you, curse at you. There are some real anti-bike lunatics over there. 🤪 After that happend twice, I never touched my bike again in the U.S , helmet or no helmet.
Need for helmets is a chicken or the egg situation; do we make cycling safer to make cycling without helmets safe, or do we wait until more bikes are used then build the cycle ways? I suggest we are not going to get the increase in cycling until the cycle ways are available and safety is achieved, then helmets might become un-needed and cycling will become more attractive. Millions of Europeans commuting in this way along cycle ways provides tangle proof.
The mind set of car owners should chance. As a Dutch,i realy hated our anti-car policy back in the 80s. Wel that changed in +- 10 years. Sitting in the city center on a terras. And saw the same idiots as i am,driving in clrcles in the city,looking for a parking spot. Wel,,narrow smal streets,have zero space for cars,but give you a great feeling and are also for us fun to watch.
Regarding kids brain development, please take in account the proccesses that a kid does in parallel when sitting on the backseat of a car or riding a bike. A cycling kid moves it legs, stears, keeps balance, negociates other trafic, applies trafic rules and mayby talks to its mom or buddy next to him.
@@lbergen001 Also, kids have so much freedom when they can drive to their friends, their sports community, etc., all by bike.\ In America, nearly all kids are entirely dependent on their parents driving them around. That is also a big reason in my opinion why high school kids can't wait to get their driver's licence so they can drive around themselves. Which causes more congested roads. In Holland, everybody drives a bike if they have to go to the shop, which isn't too far away. In American cities, supermarkets and stores are mostly concentrated in large designated areas and for most people the only way to get there is by car. Not just because it is further away but also because there is no cycling network.
@@AudieHolland I agree, and I read 'freedom' as 'learning to become independent and make (sensible) decisions.' The geografic situation in the Netherlands makes it more easy to implement these measurements. But I know that in the US and Canada, cities are trying to change their setup. Not to promote cycling primariy, but to make their city more habitable. It is a way of thinking and mentality. I.e. Dutch employees are heavely taxed for lease cars provided by their company, where lease bikes and public transport for commuting are very susidized. The implementation in the US/CAN will be different of course.
Good point. It's not the nobel price election, just a talk about bikes. I can imagine people getting bored and not bothering to wait or the main speakers.
We have to make the distinction between fietser and wielrenner, but in English we only have one word for it: cyclist. Unfortunately the word cyclist in English is associated heavily with the wielrunner so that's why we have to use this convoluted language to get around that
With the dawn of the electric bike hills seize to be a problem I suppose, except for downhill maybe 🙈 Edit: I live in Eindhoven. Interesting fact, ASML. Look them up if you're science oriented. I'm not originally from Eindhoven but proud inhabitant.
there's already electric bikes that use the generated power from going downhill and generate electricity and load the battery. even braking and such , just as electric cars have
1) I noticed how large Melissa happens to be and thought to my self, car culture must be exacerbates the obesity crisis. car culture must encourage immobility. I know from my own experience when I was twenty that I would rather ride a bike than drive a car. But because the town I live in is car centric I had to get a drivers licence. Ever sense then I have become more and more heavy set. so ya, America needs bike paths like people need to breath. The city of the healthy future will embrace bike paths. The city of rampant diabetes will embrace car culture. 2) Two years after this talk was given, American cities burn to the ground because smurf politicians allowed and encouraged it to burn. Two years later, Seattel, Portland, Chicago, New York City, and Minneapolis collapse dew to elitist bigots letting the rioters terrorize the community. I didn't think much of Trump or his campaign in 2016. But sens then, I have learned to appreciate what he has accomplished for the nation even though the petty and insecure be against him. Trump is a rare breeze of fresh air for being honest. What he promised on the campaign trail he took great stride in accomplishing. Trump is also a commercial real estate investor that is highly interested in knowing what type of spaces small business and people want to cohabit in harmony.
One thing that keeps on surprising me as a dutch person is that in the discussion but also in the counter arguments for biking, people seem to think there is only one choice. So you either bike, use a car or public transport.
Biking is just another option for transport, so if there indeed is a lot of snow, or you need to go to a hilly environment you can use a car or train like I do.
I bike much less in winter than in the other seasons. And if the roads have iced up I don't bike at all. But I can still walk, or have other options.
And biking shouldn't be made available for the die hard biking community. It needs to be as accessible as walking without you making a statement by biking.
That is why you should bike with a helmet on. Because when you go walking you also don't wear a helmet. Biking itself brings so much health that it counters the risk factors.
However older people with electric bikes constitute a large proportion of the insured and deaths on a bike in the Netherlands. Perhaps that could be an acception.
On the other hand, Americans have a much higher risk of dying in a car, than dutch cyclist do in the Netherlands. So why not demand helmets in cars if the risk is so high?
Well we Dutch can bike safely because we have safe bike lanes. Don't know about Canada, but I worked in Miami for a while, and i tried to bike to my new job a few times...It was hell ! It's not just the traffic. Some Americans actually get angry when they see someone on a bike. They block you, curse at you. There are some real anti-bike lunatics over there. 🤪 After that happend twice, I never touched my bike again in the U.S , helmet or no helmet.
Question 5 is a bikepath in Belgium
It all comes to the point off cost.
Well if you have less road accidents with bike lanes then without you do not have to think about cost
Need for helmets is a chicken or the egg situation; do we make cycling safer to make cycling without helmets safe, or do we wait until more bikes are used then build the cycle ways? I suggest we are not going to get the increase in cycling until the cycle ways are available and safety is achieved, then helmets might become un-needed and cycling will become more attractive. Millions of Europeans commuting in this way along cycle ways provides tangle proof.
The mind set of car owners should chance.
As a Dutch,i realy hated our anti-car policy back in the 80s.
Wel that changed in +- 10 years.
Sitting in the city center on a terras.
And saw the same idiots as i am,driving in clrcles in the city,looking for a parking spot.
Wel,,narrow smal streets,have zero space for cars,but give you a great feeling and are also for us fun to watch.
Regarding kids brain development, please take in account the proccesses that a kid does in parallel when sitting on the backseat of a car or riding a bike.
A cycling kid moves it legs, stears, keeps balance, negociates other trafic, applies trafic rules and mayby talks to its mom or buddy next to him.
.....and learns/recalls the route.
@@lbergen001 Also, kids have so much freedom when they can drive to their friends, their sports community, etc., all by bike.\
In America, nearly all kids are entirely dependent on their parents driving them around.
That is also a big reason in my opinion why high school kids can't wait to get their driver's licence so they can drive around themselves. Which causes more congested roads.
In Holland, everybody drives a bike if they have to go to the shop, which isn't too far away.
In American cities, supermarkets and stores are mostly concentrated in large designated areas and for most people the only way to get there is by car. Not just because it is further away but also because there is no cycling network.
@@AudieHolland I agree, and I read 'freedom' as 'learning to become independent and make (sensible) decisions.'
The geografic situation in the Netherlands makes it more easy to implement these measurements. But I know that in the US and Canada, cities are trying to change their setup. Not to promote cycling primariy, but to make their city more habitable. It is a way of thinking and mentality.
I.e. Dutch employees are heavely taxed for lease cars provided by their company, where lease bikes and public transport for commuting are very susidized.
The implementation in the US/CAN will be different of course.
I doubt Melissa thought the panel really got the essence
Why would you waste 10 minutes on introducing two speakers by 5 people who really have nothing to say....
Good point. It's not the nobel price election, just a talk about bikes. I can imagine people getting bored and not bothering to wait or the main speakers.
Fietser = cyclist
Not this convoluted 'person on a bike.'
Cyclist has a very specific connotation in North America: ua-cam.com/video/vMed1qceJ_Q/v-deo.html
We have to make the distinction between fietser and wielrenner, but in English we only have one word for it: cyclist. Unfortunately the word cyclist in English is associated heavily with the wielrunner so that's why we have to use this convoluted language to get around that
With the dawn of the electric bike hills seize to be a problem I suppose, except for downhill maybe 🙈
Edit: I live in Eindhoven.
Interesting fact, ASML. Look them up if you're science oriented. I'm not originally from Eindhoven but proud inhabitant.
there's already electric bikes that use the generated power from going downhill and generate electricity and load the battery. even braking and such , just as electric cars have
If you wan´t to accomplish something leave your political preference out of it, especially if you don't know what you're talking about.
1) I noticed how large Melissa happens to be and thought to my self, car culture must be exacerbates the obesity crisis. car culture must encourage immobility. I know from my own experience when I was twenty that I would rather ride a bike than drive a car. But because the town I live in is car centric I had to get a drivers licence. Ever sense then I have become more and more heavy set. so ya, America needs bike paths like people need to breath. The city of the healthy future will embrace bike paths. The city of rampant diabetes will embrace car culture.
2) Two years after this talk was given, American cities burn to the ground because smurf politicians allowed and encouraged it to burn. Two years later, Seattel, Portland, Chicago, New York City, and Minneapolis collapse dew to elitist bigots letting the rioters terrorize the community. I didn't think much of Trump or his campaign in 2016. But sens then, I have learned to appreciate what he has accomplished for the nation even though the petty and insecure be against him. Trump is a rare breeze of fresh air for being honest. What he promised on the campaign trail he took great stride in accomplishing. Trump is also a commercial real estate investor that is highly interested in knowing what type of spaces small business and people want to cohabit in harmony.
Yeah. Leftie riots versus Trump's fresh air hey. ....This comment didn't age well 😅