Pentiment - Who Do You Blame For the Murder? All Execution Options - Act 1
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- Pentiment - Who Do You Blame For the Murder?+ All Execution Options Act 1
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No matter what I did, I always felt I chose wrong
Kinda the point I think
@@VideoGameSophistry oh for sure, it still feels like shit tho (in a good way)
Needs more Konfetti and Balloons like in ace Attorney i guess 🤣
IMO the best choice was the widow, cause she had no one left and had accepted death
@@iiWarlordI chose the prior cuz eff him
As much as I hated realising it, I strongly believe it was lucky:
- Lucky was the only one strong enough to kill the Baron. The game shows you if you follow him that he can lift a rock that would take two regular men by himself with ease.
- If you follow him after he goes fishing the game makes a point to show you lucky killing a fish by smashing its head into a rock. The blood stain on the wall in the chapet house resembles the blood left on the stone after lucky kills the fish, and NONE of the other possible murders explain where that stain came from, whilst it is entirely plausible lucky killed the baron by catching him off guard and smashing his head against the wall.
- Lucky's thread puller note is the only one that matches the Baron's; Lucky's note reads "Remember the girl. One grave for two innocents. The red bird flies. Matins. Chapter." while the baron's note reads "The girl. The girl who died and the innocent with her. Matins. Chapter." Both these notes appear to be in reference to Lucky and Agnes Steinauer's first daughter, Beate, a young woman the Baron manipulated, seduced and then abandoned. Beate became pregnant with the Baron's child, and died trying to terminate her pregnancy with a broken heart. The grave by the mine is Beate's and it reads "Two Innocents". Beate is not buried in the town cemetary because the church ruled her death a suicide, and Catholic clerical law dictates that suicide victims can not be buried in hallowed ground. Agnes makes it clear that the Steinauers hold the Baron responsible for the death of Beate and her unborn child, and Beate's lack of proper burial due to the Baron abandoning Beate and refusing to acknowledge he even knew her.
- Lucky is the only one who WILLINGLY accepts his death and doesn't plead his innocence to the end; Ferenc and Matilda struggle, in their own ways, out of raw fear - neither accept their fate, Matilda commends her spirit to the lord not out of acceptance but in hope of salvation, Ferenc doesn't even do that, and both plead that they were innocent until the moment of execution. Ottila accepts her fate, but not willingly - she accepts her death not because she believes she has committed a crime, but because she believes tassing wishes her dead, and it implies that she knows she is innocent of the crime, but has been accused anyway because she is the most convenient death. But Lucky? He doesn't claim innocence, he doesn't blame others, he insults no one, and utters not a single word until he hands his soul into God's judgement, and to me those are the actions of a man who knows he is guilty, but believes his actions were justified, and has made peace in that.
- Lucky, unlike Ottila, has business in the monastery - he's the stone mason he works in the monastery as much as in the town, but Ottila has no reason to venture up there, and I doubt she even knows where the chapter house is.
While the game has most of the face level evidence levied against Ferenc, it doesn't add up. Matilda and Ottila just don't make sense; murder isn't in Matilda's heart and Ottila isn't strong enough to kill a man in a single swift blow. Lucky can kill a man in one blow, with his bare hands, and is the only one the game actually shows you is physically strong enough to kill the Baron. This realisation broke my heart, and I debated blaming Ottila purely for Agnes' sake, but that felt wrong to me.
@@rustil7595 Also Lucky would have brought mason tools as well, but then again Lucky would be the type to use his bare hands.
I haven't yet dare to acuse Lucky for his deed, even though his culpability is clear. Ferenc is the only one who's not sympathetic enough to the players, plus he is de first one to be investigated (even before the murder) and so is most likely to be accused of the crime. And still, the developers made sure we'd feel absolute guilt out of this decission.
Actually, there were two hits, so it does not match with the fact, that Lucky is the strongest man.
So one of the sisters (the blind one) smelled smoke and some incense, which could be the part of the Ferenc rituals.
I strongly believe it is Ferenc, because he has the strongest motivation in the PRESENT to make such impulsive killing.
The others have troubles with Baron in the past and could kill him in the past.
@@Pavel.ZhigulinThey were all sent notes encouraging them to kill him and reminding them of what happened, though. And none seemed over it.
I agree with you completely, but still chose Ferenc to die instead and regret nothing.
I ended up choosing Ferenc, and as the cutscene went on, I realized I didn’t believe myself and hoped there was an option to recant. There wasn’t. The poor guy’s struggle before death was horrifically realistic.
Steam Majority choose Him, he was the most likeley i guess. And to be fair: Guilty People also struggle before their end
Yeah I felt bummed afterwards.
He had the all the evidence. Others were wronged or abused by Rothvogel
@@DasKame Especially innocent people would struggle against an unjust death. Guilty people would rather not.
@@DasKamethink you’re missing some info haha
I suspect little Ursula
ANDRRRRR
Kkkkkkkkkk
HOLY SHIT U R RIGHT!
RIP URSULA, burned at the stake for being too cool
I love Ottos casual "Did i miss the Fun?" Statement 🤣
If I had to guess it’s none of the people you can accuse however I believe the one who killed the Baron is Wojack because he knew what the Baron did to Matilda, he has an easy place to store evidence in the kitchen, he had access to the same shovel that Matilda did but she thinks it has rabbits on it but I think Wojack used it on the Baron, and then he starts realizing that the evidence points to Matilda so he goes to tell you that the people arrive early and he wants you to be careful with what information you tell them (specifically about what you say about Matilda)
You can accuse the real killer. If they're still alive in Act II they indirectly admit to the Baron's murder.
@@username1660 How? When does this happen?
@@CelesticCF One of the suspects thanks you for not condemning them for their *actions* after learning of their connection to the Baron and his murder.
@@username1660 That doesn't mean they killed him though.
@@CelesticCF It's not definitive, but what other actions would they have committed that we'd feasibly condemn them for _after_ we learned their history are there?
Idk but the stonemasons seems like the easiest to bear, all the other executions were brutal
I came here after two failed attempts to find the real culprit because I was sure neither of the ones I finded where the real ones just to find out there is not way to find the real one?! I guess that's kind of the point, after all, it is the introduction, but damn, it feels horrible.
Lucky is most likely the true murderer considering the evidence.
He is very strong, knows things about the monastery (such as the cypt entrance) and you can see him bludgeoning fish against a rock. Similar to how Lorenz was bludgeoned.
Ottilia is too weak
Matilda is traumatized by her rape and is afraid of lorenz. She also lacks strength.
There is a lot of evidence for Ferrenc, but Smokey (in the woods) tells you that he saw him doing a blood ritual, so the blood on the occult tools is not Lorenz's.
I choose Frenec. I had the most evidence on him, I found the most notes with him, and the secret writing. It all seemed to point to him. He had the least likely motive, but he did the most suspicious things, up to the point of the murder, and after. His death scene didn't make me wish I could reconsider, I just thought that he was scared that he was found guilty of what he did. Idk. Just what I think. Ottilta did also have a great motive, but I don't think she would have been capable of killing a perfectly healthy human being.
There's not really a good option, huh. I accused Ferenc cause (imo) the others all had EXTREMELY good reasons to want to kill that guy, but man, his death was upsetting to watch. Poor guy.
Kinda crazy how a cartoon game, as simple as it is, can make decapitations so unsettling only by the power of storytelling....shows how amazing this game is
Picked him too becuase there was the most evidence, but mostly because the guy was a douchebag anyway and doing witchcraft as a man of god and burying evidence in a grave etc is a bit sketchy to say the least. That being said I didnt think any of them commited the murder, with Matilda being the most likely if they did.
The Mayority picked him because: His Case has the Most Riddles/Evidence with the Wheel and the Grave 😏 Way more engageging than break Sticks for an Widow
I was leaning heavily towards Ferenc as well but on the last day I had lunch with Smokey and the other guy tells a story about how he saw Ferenc perform a ritual in the forest using his own blood with the plate and rod, so it's not the Baron's blood on it.
The murderer is Mr. Lucky. He know the secret entrances to enter and exit the church. He lost his daughter because she was pregnant by the Baron. He is strog enough to lift a rock and had violent tendencies (repressed anger, it can be seen when she kills the fish), there is blood on the wall of the church, the baron was hit hard against a wall and Baron skull shattered... An attack from behind does not leave that clue. Then Lucky fled using secret passageways to the village. End.
the autopsy of the baron reveals he was killed with a blunt object striking his head, the patterns on his skull suggest something thin like a rod. I never found any weapon that Lucky could have used to murder him, everyone says he bashed his head on the wall but that would leave a different type of injury. The only possible weapons we find are a shovel and the occult rod that Ferenc hid in the grave.
@@doyltruddy902 the thing is, the blood in the wall is a major clue. The doctor didn't see it and it was clean up that same night, the only players who had the chance to take a look were the ones that enter the room from the left door. That's why the most "logic" reason was a weapon. But i the same choices at you on my first game.
@@notmyname90 damn I guess I just got lucky when I chose Lucky lol cuz I did not even catch onto that
@@notmyname90bro it’s litteraly just blood splatter
@@DaveSmith-tk2bb it’s round like the imprint of a head though. Not the spray you’d expect from an attack with a weapon. Plus, how would the angle work? With it being an attack from behind?
i’ve only just finished act 1 but i chose ferenc purely because i felt bad for anyone else who would have died. and seeing as i already told everyone about his dealings in the occult, i’m sure he would have been executed anyway. i think it was probably lucky though.
I thought the stonemason was by far the most logical killer at the time so I just went with it 😅
I had to choose Ottila. After all, she was slowly becoming infirm and would die soon anyway, whereas Lucky, Matilda and Ferenc have lives ahead of them and each of them can make contribution to the lives of their respective communities. Why let the old woman live her already miserable life and perhaps condemning her to die even more gruesomly, incapable and demented with no one around to care for her and only with the bitter memories of her husband's unjust death?
I think with the benefit of hindsight, Otilla seems the most prudent to scapegoat, but she’s also the suspect who I think would be least likely to do it. She’s older, vocally hates the Church, and outright despises the Baron. She’s got every motive and she says so herself, but I doubt even under the best circumstances that she could kill the Baron, especially since it’s implied there was a struggle involved. To me, I couldn’t choose her because I truly don’t believe she could do it.
I think the game’s very deliberate about how the justice system is flawed, and with how often you lack any solid evidence in game, your role comes down to playing kingmaker instead of judicator. This weighs on Andreas heavily, and his dreams imply that the reality of the situation goes against his natural ideals.
Actually, in my playthrough she got to keep her house (I knew law) and rented some of her land to her neighbours, enough to live on until she died of natural causes and got her rightly redemption. Ferenc was a douche anyways, I had half a mind to strangle him either way
@@KungKokkos I never knew that was an option! Time for a replay!
@@jbeast3385 Gogo!
Had a laugh when you got called the 'patron saint of Otilla'
I chose Lucky, to be honest although I believe they are all innocent if I had chosen anyone else I would have felt even worse.
I went with Ferenc
although there's no technically cannon killer
everything points to him as the person that actually did
even if he was most likely put up to it
I mean... is he tho? He has a very strong alibi, since the two guys in the forrest litterally saw him performing the ritual with his cult objects and his own blood...
Matilda apperantly only had acess to a shovel and that would have left a very different wound, since we pointed out that the murder weapon is only a few inches big.
Also it's very much established that Ottila is not even strong enough to break some branches in the wood, there is no chance in hell that she would be strong enough to kill a men...
Im pretty sure it was Lucky. He had the strongest emotions about the baron, was the most able bodied and was the most stoic during his execution.
@@hinkelstein1494
obviously theres no 100% proof
since theres no cannon killer
Its also possible i missed stuff. Ive only done 1 run through and the wiki is still largely unfinished.
But:
The bloody weapon on the church grounds along with the cypher seem pretty damning to me. Along with the all the sneaking around and suspicious stuff he was up to.
The nun just didn't really seem plausible at all imo
Maybe i missed some evidence but literally all i found for her was the Grape story and the shovel. And the other nuns vouch super heavy for her.
Possible it was lucky. With all the evidence being around the church it just seems unlikely that he was able to get up the mountain, kill him, plant the murder weapon, and get out without getting any attention.
Also (Spoilers)
Theres not much to really blackmail/coerce the nun with.
Kinda the same with lucky as far as i know.
They just had beef.
And that's ultimately what ends up tying everything together is the notes.
@@hinkelstein1494 Also with the lack of concrete evidence it mostly comes down to a judgment call on their personality.
Whos more likely to kill him:
A cultist whos entire life is at stake,
A nun thats more likely going to hide from him than attack him
Or a craftsman that has beef with him in a town full of people that share that same beef.
Ultimately thats how i choose the second murder aswell
Cheating/lying/greedy wife
Genuinely decent guy that happens to not be who he says he is
Monk stealing from the church
I think its wayyy closer between the wife and the monk than martins friend.
Just off their possible reasoning
@@Thelonelyreign i mean the Cipher is just there to secretly communicate with his foreign occult friend. And the gypsy and the charcoal maker confirm 100% that they saw him at the river, using the stuff he would later burry at the grave. The blood is from his ritual, which we learned is supposed to heal the syphilis of the Baron.
Why would he do the ritual, but then later ok kill him? He does believe in his occult magic, so why even bother performing it?
I really dont think it was him.
@@Thelonelyreign I havent fully decided upon murder 2, but I am not even certain that murder 1 is really a "Schrödingers murder" or that the game just trys to put up the facade, so that the player focuses on the bigger picture.
The thing is that from the perspective of the game, its really easy to sterotype the suspects.
From an medieval view its either the witch, the heretic, the sinnfull nun (wich is really fucked up btw.) or the local craftsman.
Since the first three suspects are so easy to frame, I personally just think that its was Lucky... Again all others have very obviouse murder weapons but they all kinda dont make sense when thinking about it. Why would the nun not even wash the blood of the shovel? Why would the monk perform the heal ritual and then straight up kill the baron with the same equipment? Why would the old Lady just let the stick with which she killed the Baron lie around in her house?
Meanwhile Lucky has no obviouse murder weapon (as far as i know), which means he would be the only one actually putting effort in hiding the murder. he probably just used some tool from his Workshop and then cleaned it afterwards.
one crumb of chapters please
Pfff me siento nefasta. No creo que ninguno sea el culpable, no fueron quienes escribieron las notas...y ninguno merecía morir
Convencí al archidiácono sobre la culpabilidad del prior Ferenc. Pero observar su ejecución, con súplicas y desesperación fue difícil...
Incluso si él lo asesinó, dudo que merezca morir de esa manera.
Sin importar la desición, el jugador siempre se sentirá culpable e insatisfecho.
Yeah I chose Lucky, but it was without enough evidence, because he had the most obvious means. If I had to choose again I would choose the widow Kemperyn due to pragmatism, her death would have the least negative impact on the functioning of the village and given the laws of inheritance was about to loose her property. Its not a good choice with clear evidence and I suspect that is the point of the narrative at this stage.
It’s most likely Lucky or Ferenc.
Ottila is clearly far too old to be responsible she can’t even do her own house chores anymore
Nun I doubt because my logical background made my character state since the wound was like 3 inches the murder weapon couldn’t be a shovel plus she may not physically be that strong
Ferenc has a ton of evidence pointing towards him but the evidence against is his execution makes him seem innocent and he used his object in a healing ritual
Lucky has the strength and motive and his execution also makes him seem like it could be him but how on Earth did he slip in and out the church so easily? The hidden library path! We also NEVER get to question him directly he avoids us constantly, lastly his note was on the dead body
Either Ferenc or Lucky for sure
One thing is that during the autopsy it was pointed out that the baron may not have been attacked where his body lay but was hit somewhere else and then stumbled into the church. Either because the blow to his head confused him or because he sought medical help from the monks, before bleeding to death.
On the other side, I always thought that Lucky just slammed his head against the wall like he did to the fish while we were stalking him. That would explain the missing murder weapon and the blood stain at the wall.
@@hinkelstein1494 I keep looking at the part where the body was found but I only see bloodstains on the floor
@@tevinanarchy774 At the left side on the wall
You can access the crypt from the ruins. Lucky's the stonemason and is aware of the tunnels. He could be the silhouette you saw jumping around the ruins. Margarette smelled something odd at night. Presumably Lucky entering the abbey. That might also be iffy because that's a lot of effort to murder a guy you just met this morning.
My theory is Wojslav is the true murderer. He has the easiest access to the abbey. He wanted revenge for Matilda. He also goes to your home to inform you that Matilda isn't the murderer.
@@tlst9999 that’d be an interesting spin because that means you’re always wrong no matter what damn and it’d explain why the priest has no idea who actually did it, because it wasn’t even someone who got a note. Damn
Hard to find a good compilation that shows all options for the Act 2 accusations.
I chose Ferenc because the best evidence was against him and he was unlikeable.
Ferenc's execution is the most realistic.
Se pueden hacer esos logros en una partida sola? Yó lo acabé, pero para no repetir 4 veces todo el juego, cómo lo hago?
Con comando consola...yo en mi PC pongo esa tecla que está debajo de Esc para abrir y luego se escribe Advancetimetohour X 1 ....en en lugar de esa X escribe la hora que desees. Ej Advancetimetohour 13 1
Las horas de cada momento son 11/13/18/20
@@Antonella134679 pero para hacer legalmente los logros, cómo puedo hacer los de "haz que maten a otilia, Martín" etc...
@@daliarubia tenés que averiguar las pistas. Usá lo del tiempo para repetir e ir averiguando con los lugareños u objetos
Lo de la vieja era viendo lo de recolectar madera y creo que Martín no puede ser ejecutado 🤔
@@Antonella134679 ah se puede repetir? Lo juego en consola, no deja cargar partida por si necesitase
@@daliarubia mmm en la PC es carga automática así que no se puede guardar
Si retrocedes el tiempo, podés ver todos los eventos sin problemas
Creo que podré buscar los guardados del juego en tus archivos y hacer una copia por si querés volver a ellos de nuevo
Did obsidian this game?
why is it different for women and can piero ever get killed?
That's how it was done for women, strangled then burned.
they hate women so they give women more painful killings
Ferenc is a sussy baka
So who wrote the notes?
You'll figure it out at the end of the game 🙃
@@felixfaber9193 I will just have to send them all to the headsman!
@@craykard8325 better safe than sorry
So have you finished it?
@@cohenfray8124 I have. And I am at it again.
Why were the women strangled? Seems oddly cruel.
It's historically accurate. Strangulation was seen as way of mercy if I remember correctly
Way less cruel.
As opposed to TV shows and movies, decapitation is almost impossible with an axe, and even more impossible with a sword in a clean way. Usually it took multiple swings to work the head loose. Not a great way of dying I imagine, though certainly better than being burned alive as a witch would be.
because he's da joka baby
oddly cruel = Those Times in a nutshell i guess
Why would I rather be decapitated😅