Connecting Living Neurons to a Computer | Part 2

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  • @thethoughtemporium
    @thethoughtemporium  Місяць тому +260

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    • @teemteem
      @teemteem Місяць тому +4

      maybe

    • @Alceste_
      @Alceste_ Місяць тому +4

      Did I get "printed locally here in Quebec" right? :o

    • @noi0124
      @noi0124 Місяць тому

      @@Alceste_ yes, the link to the screen print studio is in the infobox

    • @Chitose_
      @Chitose_ Місяць тому +2

      *THE PART TWO WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR* 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @murch5054
      @murch5054 Місяць тому

      Hi, i think the link isn't working

  • @nl4006
    @nl4006 Місяць тому +7129

    The reason the neurons all died after the initial seeding is because you didn't rinse the PEI off properly and/or didn't dry it properly. While PEI is the best pre-coating agent in the business, it is also an extremely potent membrane perforant when in solution, so any miniscule picogram of the stuff you left unpolymerized is gonna be jumping from cell to cell, shredding their membranes. Rinse at least five times with maximal volume your growth vessel can take, and dry the vessel overnight in the LAF bench, otherwise you're just wasting expensive reagents.
    Source: neuro lab-slave for 10+ years

    • @kevincuevas8877
      @kevincuevas8877 Місяць тому +367

      Bump and like for visibility

    • @sinedddmk8996
      @sinedddmk8996 Місяць тому +334

      Sounds like you are an ideal buddy for this dude to keep track of details, if you didnt have a job already.

    • @lucasmeneses8341
      @lucasmeneses8341 Місяць тому +30

      Up!

    • @esra_erimez
      @esra_erimez Місяць тому +189

      I was about to say that exact some thing. However, you left out the part about the goop in the gloopinator. You really need to check that too.

    • @user-nb6mv3ny8i
      @user-nb6mv3ny8i Місяць тому +12

      post doc in a university?

  • @Durei.rei_
    @Durei.rei_ Місяць тому +7908

    Imagine being conscious just to find out your purpose is to do a playthrough of doom

    • @kirralabas5315
      @kirralabas5315 Місяць тому +922

      Somehow that doesn't seem that bad, it's a decent life purpose

    • @AllanSchon
      @AllanSchon Місяць тому +790

      That's more or less how I remember my high school years...

    • @colematlock7755
      @colematlock7755 Місяць тому +292

      A fulfilling life

    • @Adventures_EC
      @Adventures_EC Місяць тому +110

      you know that there are theories that we live in a game. Soooo

    • @JohnDlugosz
      @JohnDlugosz Місяць тому +221

      That's a lot better of a purpose than to pass the butter.

  • @jackhazardous4008
    @jackhazardous4008 Місяць тому +1426

    >wake up
    >your entire existence is DOOM
    >pass on thinking that was all there ever was to life

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 Місяць тому +58

      Same as it ever was.

    • @poupeuu
      @poupeuu Місяць тому +128

      >wake up
      >your existence is this one
      >pass on thinking that was all there was to life

    • @jeremymcadam7400
      @jeremymcadam7400 Місяць тому +52

      ​@@poupeuu This is why I choose to participate in 5 dimensions

    • @gondolaone7748
      @gondolaone7748 Місяць тому +31

      ​@@jeremymcadam7400 rookie numbers, all of us in the 6th dimension are looking down on your struggles, purely for amusement I might add

    • @j0rtsy
      @j0rtsy Місяць тому +28

      Plato’s “The Cave” is Doom.

  • @X-SPONGED
    @X-SPONGED Місяць тому +464

    3:20
    "You merely adopted the sports drink. I was BORN in it, MOLDED by it"

  • @hhhsp951
    @hhhsp951 Місяць тому +6525

    "We're naming it: The Torment Nexus, after the hit book, Don't Build The Torment Nexus."

    • @spencerharrison9680
      @spencerharrison9680 Місяць тому +662

      Bro is literally a classic evil scientist at this point

    • @FateStayN1ght
      @FateStayN1ght Місяць тому +181

      I cant stop laighting at that !

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +78

      @@rubikscuber9277 Absolutely! (in the classical meaning of the word, like in "The Gay Falcon" (1941)) 😄

    • @rubikscuber9277
      @rubikscuber9277 Місяць тому +53

      @@harriehausenman8623 sorry I mean to say Yay

    • @Otzkar
      @Otzkar Місяць тому

      @@spencerharrison9680 *tech company

  • @orsonzedd
    @orsonzedd Місяць тому +3692

    I'm glad someone's finally getting around to building the torment Nexus

    • @ayybe7894
      @ayybe7894 Місяць тому +280

      Well it wasn't going to build itself.

    • @Imtoolazytodothis
      @Imtoolazytodothis Місяць тому +38

      @@ayybe7894 your not wrong lmao

    • @LordDragox412
      @LordDragox412 Місяць тому +186

      Me: Wait, where does the "torment" come from in Torment Nexus?
      The Thought Emporium: Cayenne pepper flakes. Look at the neurons screaming in torment. Delightful.
      Me: Oh yeah, that makes total sense, thanks.

    • @jakobweisser8044
      @jakobweisser8044 Місяць тому +99

      I'm just glad it's the humble mad scientist and not the techbros.

    • @warmitchine3388
      @warmitchine3388 Місяць тому

      @@jakobweisser8044 "We built a neural interface on an unregistered cruise liner off the coast of Panama that mines cryptocurrency. We just need your donation of $200,000 to keep it running and to pay the illegal waste dumping fees." -techbro neuroscientists

  • @isodoublet
    @isodoublet Місяць тому +335

    Don't you just hate it when you're chilling in the torment nexus when all of a sudden your entire being is overcome with an extremely powerful chemical irritant?

  • @Prucake
    @Prucake Місяць тому +169

    "Don't build the torment nexus"
    YOU HAD ONE INSTRUCTION.

  • @hakajiru264
    @hakajiru264 Місяць тому +3625

    Painstakingly growing a brain slice only to pepperspray it moments later -.-

    • @ayybe7894
      @ayybe7894 Місяць тому +239

      Such is the cruel nature of life

    • @LordDragox412
      @LordDragox412 Місяць тому +424

      Do not build the Torment Nexus. But if you do, do not torment the Torment Nexus with cayenne pepper flakes.

    • @Imtoolazytodothis
      @Imtoolazytodothis Місяць тому +18

      Sounds like a middle-age crisis

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +5

      Almost human

    • @Asmodis4
      @Asmodis4 Місяць тому +7

      every time i found one of his videos i get this harlan ellison vipes and i dont know why.

  • @kayjersch4959
    @kayjersch4959 Місяць тому +2010

    3:50 "long term, i want to simulate a whole brain"
    fucking WHAT

    • @thewizard1
      @thewizard1 Місяць тому +297

      Bro is a mad scientist 😭

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +86

      Naturally. 🧐

    • @samuelhomberg9075
      @samuelhomberg9075 Місяць тому +130

      I think he's not talking about a human brain (so far...).

    • @CarlosSpicyWang
      @CarlosSpicyWang Місяць тому

      @@samuelhomberg9075You want skynet? That’s how you get skynet.

    • @wesleymays1931
      @wesleymays1931 Місяць тому

      ​@@samuelhomberg9075give him time...

  • @BionicleFreek99
    @BionicleFreek99 Місяць тому +192

    Finally! Man-made horrors WITHIN my comprehension!

  • @martyshrekster
    @martyshrekster Місяць тому +1443

    "Yeah I'm doing research on neural networks."
    "Oh, what algorithms are you working with?"
    "Rat"

    • @legenberry3217
      @legenberry3217 Місяць тому +16

      Underrated 😂😂

    • @denifnaf5874
      @denifnaf5874 Місяць тому +25

      Can it run doom?

    • @Beeti1
      @Beeti1 Місяць тому +10

      That's the medium, not the algorithm.

    • @creationstation6035
      @creationstation6035 Місяць тому

      Rotational
      Additional
      Tactics
      RAT
      🐀🐀🐀
      🐀. 🐀. 🐀. 🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀
      🐀🐀🐀. 🐀🐀. 🐀
      🐀. 🐀. 🐀🐀🐀. 🐀
      🐀. 🐀. 🐀. 🐀. 🐀

    • @John-wd5cb
      @John-wd5cb Місяць тому +3

      and where do you work?
      A weapons corporation..

  • @aerofight5994
    @aerofight5994 Місяць тому +1775

    Strange man in a sweaty lab coat staring at a rat in the corner of the room. Thinking to himself ... "Can it run DOOM?"

    • @ussuratoncachi
      @ussuratoncachi Місяць тому +89

      More correctly: "Can it play DOOM?"

    • @mishtrong
      @mishtrong Місяць тому +54

      ​@@ussuratoncachiCan it RUN doom? Can I use its brain as a computer to run doom?

    • @Spartan11117777
      @Spartan11117777 Місяць тому +10

      Can it run in a Hamster Wheel to power the Platform running Doom?

    • @joshcarriker6958
      @joshcarriker6958 Місяць тому +7

      The body is just the case for the computer

    • @TheGrammarNazi123
      @TheGrammarNazi123 Місяць тому

      "👍✌☠ ✋❄ ☼🕆☠ 👎⚐⚐💣✍"

  • @anonymousapproximation8549
    @anonymousapproximation8549 Місяць тому +840

    "It's designed for researchers, not a bunch of crazy nerds"
    "Corporate needs you to spot the difference between these images"

    • @mihael64
      @mihael64 Місяць тому +38

      Researchers aren't nerds, they're just crazy

    • @ttty2242
      @ttty2242 Місяць тому +42

      budget

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita Місяць тому +8

      @@mihael64 But... they are also usually nerds XD

    • @vidal9747
      @vidal9747 Місяць тому +21

      @@mihael64 My advisor literally can not physically stop himself from talking about Dune if he drank more than 2 beers... And not every researcher is crazy. Some can even manage work life balance. Not anyone I know, but I heard some can!

    • @blakksheep736
      @blakksheep736 Місяць тому +12

      The only difference between a researcher and a nerd is that researchers are paid.

  • @cefcephatus
    @cefcephatus Місяць тому +105

    9:29 "Why those ingredients? I have NO IDEA!"
    Yep! That's how you know someone is doing real science and not just teaching you prepared lesson.

  • @christophepetry6782
    @christophepetry6782 Місяць тому +118

    I'm a doctoral researcher and Neuroscientist. When it comes to culturing medium for neurons morphology can tell you a lot about the state a cell is in (this goes for most cell types). To me the classic choice of Neurobasal gives you cells with shrunk cell bodies (the nucleus is tightly shrink wrapped if you will) and long complex truncated neurites (dendrites and axons). This tells you that these cells are "mature" neurons. They are not quite mature because you literally need let time pass for them to become mature, interestingly the time of maturation depends on species and is much longer for human neurons compared to mouse neurons.

    • @TheAmazingAnimator
      @TheAmazingAnimator Місяць тому

      I think that's because rats have less neurons to mature overrall.
      also because other animals (I think) gain consciousness faster

    • @christophepetry6782
      @christophepetry6782 Місяць тому +8

      @@TheAmazingAnimator it is more about complexity of their connections and morphology and less about the overall number of cells. In culture you can observe the same time discrepancies between neurons of different species, so it is an inherent quality of the cells.
      We are not clear on what level of consciousness other animals have , since we can’t test for it. You probably mean animals become independent much earlier, since humans literally complete their development outside the mothers body. During evolution our heads got to big for our pelvises so we have to be born “prematurely”.

  • @nuclearocean
    @nuclearocean Місяць тому +1258

    Can't wait till I have to feed my computer and overclock it with some spicy red pepper

    • @henrysanecdotes5323
      @henrysanecdotes5323 Місяць тому +161

      *losing in valorant* MY FRAMES! GET THE PEPPER

    • @AngryAlfonse
      @AngryAlfonse Місяць тому +155

      "Hey guys, my GPU is struggling to hit 120fps. Gotta go toss a 5 hour energy into the growth medium circulator."

    • @alephnole7009
      @alephnole7009 Місяць тому +55

      Sprinkling it in like fish food into a brain in a tank

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +75

      *playing fps game*
      *loosing connection*
      "Guys, my machine just had a seizure."

    • @navinvent
      @navinvent Місяць тому

      What i learnt is that injecting pepper into the brain will be an effective form of torture.

  • @kh6853
    @kh6853 Місяць тому +376

    Imagine being the neurons
    "okay, so we can't sense anything, and we probably can't do anything, but we AAH SPICY!"

    • @in4init3vr
      @in4init3vr Місяць тому +30

      Imagine just being born to not see, and then you just get random feelings all around you

  • @professorstevepotter
    @professorstevepotter Місяць тому +83

    9:55 Aha! apropos to my previous comment about cell density, I see how to solve your problems: We always added a small droplet (50-100ul) of cell suspension added to an EMPTY dish, with just a 3mm laminin wet spot. Calculate what density you need in the suspension to get 50k-100k cells in that droplet. After the cells have settled and adhered (30 min?) carefully add the rest of the medium to flood the dish. Now you will have very dense cultures and signals on every electrode.

    • @MyDadSaid
      @MyDadSaid Місяць тому +6

      Thank you. We really appreciate all your input.

  • @AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent
    @AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent Місяць тому +92

    dr stone would probably accomplish this with the power of jump cuts and eye closeups

    • @noi0124
      @noi0124 Місяць тому +5

      Power of anime

    • @guarana-suquinho
      @guarana-suquinho Місяць тому +1

      And that's why he is called Dr Stoned.

    • @johnpooky84
      @johnpooky84 29 днів тому +1

      I loved that show! Hoping for a Season 3.

    • @Numbers-gStands
      @Numbers-gStands 23 дні тому

      @@johnpooky84 I was wondering the same thing and I think there is a season 3 but it’s not on netflix yet?

    • @johnpooky84
      @johnpooky84 23 дні тому

      @@Numbers-gStands Dr. Stone's on Netflix? I watched it on Crunchyroll.

  • @RevolutionPony
    @RevolutionPony Місяць тому +449

    I loved reading "Don't Build the Torment Nexus!" When I was a kid. I don't remember what the moral of the story was, but I really liked the lore, aesthetics, and world building. I'm so glad someone is bringing my favourite sci-fi to life! We really do live in the future!

    • @Penguinman2.0
      @Penguinman2.0 Місяць тому +13

      Wait I can’t tell if this is genuine or not

    • @DawnPetrichor1
      @DawnPetrichor1 Місяць тому +34

      @@Penguinman2.0Neither can I…
      On a second reading, I don’t think it’s genuine, “I don’t remember what the moral of the story was” seems like it wouldn’t be there if it was.

    • @SissypheanCatboy
      @SissypheanCatboy Місяць тому +152

      @@Penguinman2.0 The book doesn't exist, its from a meme talking about how techbros proudly claim inspiration from scifi stories where the whole moral is NOT to build the technology featured in the movie. Like how vr/metaverse nerds constantly say "its like the Matrix in real life"

    • @adora_was_taken
      @adora_was_taken Місяць тому +34

      @@SissypheanCatboy or more recently, openai comparing gpt-4o to the movie "her"

    • @vipture.
      @vipture. Місяць тому +37

      ​@@SissypheanCatboyThe first thing we did after GPT-1 showed promise was hook up the next version to the internet to learn from. It's like the people at the forefront of advancement have turned dystopian prophecies into a checklist..

  • @davef21370
    @davef21370 Місяць тому +607

    It's brilliant but a little sad to think that a dish full of rat neurons could potentially beat me at Doom.

    • @breadboi3837
      @breadboi3837 Місяць тому +58

      the ultimate cheat system, full automation cheats; I could grind war thunder off a chunk of rat brain

    • @zachrowe6271
      @zachrowe6271 Місяць тому +87

      ​@@breadboi3837imagine getting banned for rat brain botting 😂

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому

      @@zachrowe6271 🤗

    • @user-burner
      @user-burner Місяць тому +19

      To be fair, you also have to think about, yknow, having a body and pressing keys and shit.

    • @NiclasOvik
      @NiclasOvik Місяць тому +5

      ​@@user-burnerTrue that, all about focus, reaching flow state.

  • @professorstevepotter
    @professorstevepotter Місяць тому +41

    My other suggestions seem to have been deleted, perhaps because I linked a paper of ours. I guessed that you may be killing cells with too much light. Phototoxicity is a huge problem with any fluorescence microscopy. To reduce it, use phase contrast (not fluorescence) microscopy and use longer-wavelength (red) light. Also, when doing fluorescence imaging, use a lower-NA lens, more sensitive cameras, dimmer illumination, longer wavelength excitation, and shorter exposure to light.

    • @thethoughtemporium
      @thethoughtemporium  Місяць тому +17

      Feel free to send me an email with all of the suggestions so they don't get lost! And they're greatly appreciated as always.
      We only use phase contrast when checking on the cells. Fluorescence was only used at the end for the sake of the experiment, and the dye was only used on one of the arrays after we had finished all other experiments. The arrays are also only ever left on the microscope for as brief a moment as possible, but the phase contrast images aren't as pretty so I don't use that footage in the video as much.
      I also saw you recommend concentrating the neurons in the middle. I read that in the instructions and that's how we attempted it the first time when the cells died. We went with adding the neurons after the media because we knew for sure the neurons would survive as we've tested that method a lot and couldn't risk another culture dying. We were pressed for time to get the video out. And for our arrays the electrodes are REALLY spread out, so we're gonna need a high neuron density across most of the surface of the array anyway. You'll notice I made the walls of our arrays taller than the multichannel ones. It was specifically because I wanted to increase the amount of growth media per well so the neurons don't deplete it as quickly and to account for an eventual much higher neuron density across the array.
      We have wanted to upgrade our camera on the microscope for a while, but the scope itself was a HUGE upgrade. It's new for this video and it cost a pretty penny. But it's built exactly for this kind of experiment so we can switch out the camera next. I also want to move to a red dye to lower the illumination wavelength as you say. And also just to make the videos look more interesting than always green. We ran out of time, but we also got a tubulin specific dye we're gonna show off next time that would look best against an otherwise red stained neuron. And we picked up NucBlue so we can stain the nucleus properly. One of the shots of the neurons firing included it from the first well we tested it on. I overlaid it. It's subtle but makes the neurons look nicer and the nucleus visible.

    • @thethoughtemporium
      @thethoughtemporium  Місяць тому +15

      Also, I've set your account to always show comments on the channel now, so they shouldn't get deleted.

    • @animeproblem1070
      @animeproblem1070 День тому

      ​​@@thethoughtemporium youtube doesn't care and if the automated system even imagines your comment as bad it will just automatically delete it or hide it

  • @thesuperfluousone2537
    @thesuperfluousone2537 Місяць тому +11

    "Don't build the torment nexus."
    "What'd he say?"
    "I don't know. I think he said build the torment nexus."

  • @Mechthorian
    @Mechthorian Місяць тому +489

    24:40
    Surely this is the worst O-Ring disaster in the scientific profession...

    • @noi0124
      @noi0124 Місяць тому +122

      New challenger appeared!

    • @AresHoax_9
      @AresHoax_9 Місяць тому +20

      @@noi0124it’s the challenger space shuttle ! Ready? Set Fight!

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +42

      Maybe they just have to chill… *checking notes*
      On no, wait. That was NOT the cure 😆

    • @JinKee
      @JinKee Місяць тому +10

      Too soon

    • @m4rcyonstation93
      @m4rcyonstation93 Місяць тому +2

      Context? (Curious)

  • @Rosencrantz17
    @Rosencrantz17 Місяць тому +225

    "What is my purpose?"
    "You play DOOM."
    "RIP AND TEAR! RIP AND TEAR! RIP AND TEAR!"

    • @Hexawatt
      @Hexawatt Місяць тому +25

      Rip And Tear, or R.A.T. for short.

    • @Cacowninja
      @Cacowninja Місяць тому +2

      Until it's done!

    • @pizzapie5356
      @pizzapie5356 Місяць тому

      Man is gonna build a murder hungry superintelligence

  • @thingyjim
    @thingyjim Місяць тому +23

    Hey! I’m messing with neurons at the moment in my PhD and I saw the exact same morphology in DMEM/F12, I was stumped what was causing it! As a precaution we’re genotyping with ICC and qPCR since we’re deriving from iPSCs - anyway, love the video! This project is so cool!

  • @erezdude123
    @erezdude123 Місяць тому +6

    You are one of the main reasons I am perusing my masters in synthetic biology!!!! I love your videos man hope you keep doing what you do :)

  • @gevelegian
    @gevelegian Місяць тому +285

    If youtube was just this type of content but with every expertise/experiment currently going on. It would be just perfect harmony.

    • @Imtoolazytodothis
      @Imtoolazytodothis Місяць тому +25

      The perfect combination of long-form content, diligent and passionate work, and humor!

    • @LordDragox412
      @LordDragox412 Місяць тому +18

      Meanwhile UA-cam: Demonetized.

    • @yaysuu
      @yaysuu 28 днів тому +3

      TestTube

    • @gevelegian
      @gevelegian 26 днів тому +2

      @@yaysuu holy smokes you're onto something!

    • @Gidon147
      @Gidon147 19 днів тому +1

      not only that, it would inspire young people from age 2 onwards to become youtubers and make the next big scientific discovery/invention!

  • @Sporkekw
    @Sporkekw Місяць тому +246

    "Slightly sentient enchilada" caught me off guard xDDDD

  • @fernandoschuindt1665
    @fernandoschuindt1665 Місяць тому +5

    Impressive! It’s really nice to see the path your channel has taken. From the time I was watching you hunting VHF satellites in Brazil, Wi-Fi imaging, the pulsar corner reflector (that one got me really excited), to DNA hacking and neuron training. I would like to say I came for the RF and stayed for the bio. 10/10

  • @usser-505
    @usser-505 Місяць тому +5

    Guys, don't stop. I NEED to see what will come out. Your first 2 vids inspired me so that from just a noob in programming thinking to himself "well, im gonna be a programmer and program commercial things" you made it so I now have a greater purpose in life and right now I'm doing an EEG research together with a neurobiology lab (I was the one who contacted with them and suggested a research and I'm the one doing it, but they give me access to some fancy things). Thank you and DON'T STOP UNTIL ITS DONE

  • @TornaitSuperBird
    @TornaitSuperBird Місяць тому +474

    10:09 "Hey how are the neurons growing?"
    "They all died"
    *AD*
    ...had a hard time trying not to chuckle in the doctor's office.

  • @darealsherlock8026
    @darealsherlock8026 Місяць тому +923

    DOCTOR STEVE POTTER CONTACTED YOU!
    THE DOCTOR POTTER!
    This is surely indicative of success to come

    • @akatsukilevi
      @akatsukilevi Місяць тому +237

      For the ones randomly watching this and has no idea who Steve Potter is and why it is a big deal
      It is as if Jesus Christ himself showed up for a theology class

    • @Imtoolazytodothis
      @Imtoolazytodothis Місяць тому +20

      A truly impressive feat!

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +9

      What a Legend.

    • @jimcobbler3954
      @jimcobbler3954 Місяць тому +32

      I’m sure he’s never heard this joke, but he sounds like a wizard in this field.

    • @TekedixXx
      @TekedixXx Місяць тому

      @@akatsukilevi I can't not stop thinking about Professor brothers now lol

  • @aeliion
    @aeliion Місяць тому +4

    I've been waiting almost a year for this video! Now it's finally here! Thank you so much! 🎉🎉🎉

  • @Isteak80
    @Isteak80 Місяць тому +4

    "I want to build up to simulating a whole brain" followed by "...so anyway" caused me at least some level of concern.

  • @aaronbrown4682
    @aaronbrown4682 Місяць тому +143

    Hey! I work with mammalian cell cultures, and I know they can be very finicky! If you didn't change the media a day after your initial seeding, the residual DMSO from the cryopreservation media is likely what killed your cells. Not sure if you did this or not, but I didn't see it in the video so figured it was worth mentioning! You guys are awesome, keep up the great work.

  • @hakajiru264
    @hakajiru264 Місяць тому +94

    Neuron: Help I'm peeling
    Neurobiologist: SUGAR FREE HORSE JUICE

  • @okkosiemers6423
    @okkosiemers6423 Місяць тому +5

    I had no idea you could actually grow live neurons and train them to do stuff... thank you for documenting your unique experiment and sharing it with the world.

  • @katofmine
    @katofmine Місяць тому +9

    18:09 “slightly sentient enchilada” made me inhale half my beer

  • @morgan3392
    @morgan3392 Місяць тому +75

    This part of UA-cam is interesting because you have genuine, field respected scientists contributing to a meme. A similar situation I see is a video series an amateur arachnid enthusiast making absurdly detailed videos about common house spiders, and basically has tons of scientists conversing with him and in the comments about the most trivial of differences between two species of harmless spiders

    • @Astoria_Varanus
      @Astoria_Varanus Місяць тому +5

      Which channel is this?

    • @morgan3392
      @morgan3392 Місяць тому +16

      @@Astoria_Varanus Oops, I forgot to put his name: Travis McEnery. The series is called "The Spiders in Your House."

    • @cheesebucket142
      @cheesebucket142 Місяць тому +11

      To be fair, if this project succeeds it will be the ultimate, unbeatable iteration of the running doom on X meme.

  • @CasperBHansen
    @CasperBHansen День тому

    This is probably the coolest experiment I have ever seen - I am really looking forward to the next part!
    Another interesting aspect you could add to this would be to have two separate cultures of neurons acting on the same system. This would allow for demonstrating coordination and collaboration between independent cultures for instance.

  • @cougar9610
    @cougar9610 27 днів тому +12

    Imagine having a CPU that's literally just a brain, how fast would it compute compared to a normal cpu?

    • @camaraman645
      @camaraman645 6 днів тому

      And hopefully it won’t gain senti ence

    • @lollol5263
      @lollol5263 День тому

      Imagine it grows new connection base on the things you do on it, gradually speeding up.

  • @jvdos
    @jvdos Місяць тому +1258

    THE DAY HAS COME BROTHERS! 🗣️🔥🔥

    • @Log4Jake
      @Log4Jake Місяць тому +19

      FINNNNALLLLLYYYYY

    • @n0o0b090lv
      @n0o0b090lv Місяць тому +13

      LETS GOOOOOOO💯💯

    • @Xxrasierklinge7
      @Xxrasierklinge7 Місяць тому +11

      Ikr! I've been waiting for this for what seems like FOREVER!!!!!

    • @lopatoj
      @lopatoj Місяць тому +2

      yay

    • @quentar9309
      @quentar9309 Місяць тому +13

      WE WILL FINALLY MAKE A MEAT COMPUTER

  • @vvoid8416
    @vvoid8416 Місяць тому +295

    The trick to finding a comfy spot for your tongue is actually the roof of your mouth. People struggle with it because it's not intuitive that you keep it up there with suction normally.

  • @bh3302
    @bh3302 Місяць тому

    Been waiting for this video for some time and you guys more than delivered! Keep up the amazing work, it is incredibly inspiring to see 🧠

  • @hugacreeper69110
    @hugacreeper69110 Місяць тому +1

    yesss been waiting for part 2 thank you

  • @aabb1166
    @aabb1166 Місяць тому +56

    I am a mitochondrial and cancer physiologist, and not a neurobiologist, but have been studying metabolic and growth effects of different commercial medias. It might be worth keeping in mind that the metabolite concentrations in DMEM are largely not found in the brain. I'd be curious to know how Neurobasal and DMEM compare in their composition. All of these considerations, i.e., metabolic activity and ionic concentration, will affect the neuron's membrane potential.

    • @timothyvanderschultzen9640
      @timothyvanderschultzen9640 Місяць тому +1

      I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!

    • @DarkRavenhaft
      @DarkRavenhaft Місяць тому +1

      DMEM with FBS (foetal bovine serum) is an excellent medium for accelerated growth but yeah, it's 4x stronger than standard EMEM. EMEM or Opti-MEM may be a better option for maintaining mature cultures, with Opti having the added benefit of requiring much less FBS.

  • @titusbaum9690
    @titusbaum9690 Місяць тому +182

    Neuron-piloted flesh mechs growing neurons, simulating neurons, looking at neurons, visualizing neurons.
    Ah yes, Neuron Activation.

    • @audriusskebas3099
      @audriusskebas3099 Місяць тому +14

      Soon we shall have a flesh automaton animated by neurotransmitters!

    • @Gakulon
      @Gakulon Місяць тому +10

      Do not dare to insult the purity of steel by comparing mechs to abominable flesh

    • @Mate_Antal_Zoltan
      @Mate_Antal_Zoltan Місяць тому +4

      Bro just called God's greatest creation "neuron-piloted flesh mechs"

    • @audriusskebas3099
      @audriusskebas3099 Місяць тому +1

      @@Mate_Antal_Zoltan It's a Cruelty Squad reference xP

    • @Mate_Antal_Zoltan
      @Mate_Antal_Zoltan Місяць тому +4

      @@audriusskebas3099 guy who has only played Cruelty Squad in his entire life: "I'm getting real Cruelty Squad vibes from this..."

  • @sleepiestgal
    @sleepiestgal Місяць тому +2

    my friend sent me this and i a m GENUINELY not at all upset, i love this shit i am going to binge ALL OF IT

  • @Tomyb15
    @Tomyb15 Місяць тому +1

    Really excited that you are actually getting close to getting them to play a game! I can't wait!
    For the teflon tube, just make a small valley on the surface with the lathe for the oring to sit in.

  • @a.p.2356
    @a.p.2356 Місяць тому +281

    "What if we grew a mind in a vat that only knew how to interact with the world through violence and was trained to snap headshot imps in .03 seconds, this will surely not go terribly wrong."

    • @SafetyAlwaysLast
      @SafetyAlwaysLast Місяць тому +53

      Yeah, this could never go wrong, but to make sure lets wire a 100 of these up to the Boston dynamics robot wielding a shotgun. But we would still be in control, right? lol

    • @asdfghyter
      @asdfghyter Місяць тому +54

      I know this is a joke, but the interaction that the neurons see is not in any way related to violence. it's like if you played doom, but instead of a screen, you just see an array of 10 blinking lights and no-one told you that you're playing doom, only if you're succeeding at pressing the correct buttons or not.
      so ... as long as no-one tries to apply this to real-life weapons, there's no reason whatsoever to worry. though ... now that I think of it, knowing humans, this does indeed have me worried

    • @williamlux
      @williamlux Місяць тому +16

      ​@@SafetyAlwaysLast
      Boston dynamics V1

    • @SafetyAlwaysLast
      @SafetyAlwaysLast Місяць тому +10

      Context- For it to work like the joke intended it would need some reason for violence like a reward system but for that to work we have to have some sort of detection software supporting it and at that point just use software, so yeah the joke falls apart, oh well. Except for machine learning being applicable to organisms, i.e. stimuli training, so maybe we could consider culturing them with positive stimuli for shooting the target before sending them but that sounds like a lot of work. Not that someone wouldn't try? Also if the logic reply wasn't to the Boston Dynamics bot joke then that is really embarrassing lol

    • @asdfghyter
      @asdfghyter Місяць тому +9

      @@SafetyAlwaysLast on the other hand, the neurons not being aware of it being violence points to another issue, since that means they won't have any concerns whatsoever with performing violence if put in a situation where they might accidentally do so.
      putting any kind of neural network, artificial or biological, in charge of dangerous equipment means that unless you very actively train it to avoid harming humans, it will do so if any humans get in the way. this is of course already the case with any kind of automated machines, even without neural networks or similar, which is why we tend to place robots in cages, so we can better protect humans from them

  • @michaelmaguire4147
    @michaelmaguire4147 Місяць тому +61

    13:41 It does say "Minimize light exposure" on the bag.

  • @MrCaesartheman
    @MrCaesartheman 28 днів тому +2

    i had no idea this was out, ive been waiting for this for ages

  • @Cmanorange
    @Cmanorange Місяць тому +2

    i've actually hardened my own mind against the "you're now breathing manually" and "you can now see your nose" attacks (i hope i didn't kill my mirror neurons 👀). the one that can still get me though is "you can now feel the weight of your feet on your ankles"

    • @marksmanmerc1
      @marksmanmerc1 Місяць тому +1

      What have you cursed me with

    • @nerd1000ify
      @nerd1000ify Місяць тому +2

      Ever had your foot 'go to sleep' from holding it in an awkward position too long then walked on it?

  • @THEFUFFYDRAGONx
    @THEFUFFYDRAGONx Місяць тому +124

    *Rip and tear playing in the distance* THE TIME HAS COME

  • @phillipotey9736
    @phillipotey9736 Місяць тому +1

    For your cap problem. Get a smaller radius plug to fit in the collection. Use the semipermiable membrane as the gasket layer. You can then place an o ring directly on the plates acrylic pipe.

  • @elousie1187
    @elousie1187 Місяць тому +1

    Damn I want you guys to know I'm excited!! I'm really excited to see where we're going with this!!! I love it so much!

  • @Penultimeat
    @Penultimeat Місяць тому +51

    Thank you Multichannel Systems (affiliate of Harvard Bioscience)! Without your help we never could have built the Torment Nexus.

  • @Dyll380
    @Dyll380 Місяць тому +71

    if youre still having issues with the array electrodes being cut correctly, maybe ask a glitter company if they can help. I know its a weird idea but glitterX is just a company with precision cutting instruments. Might be worth it

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +14

      Wasn't there the old riddle about what the glitter companys biggest customer was and they have absolute secrecy and nobody knows? 🤔

    • @FlatlandsSurvivor
      @FlatlandsSurvivor Місяць тому +30

      ​@@harriehausenman8623 Yes, and it is most likely pearlescent paint for hobby boats. Boat manufacturers don't want it to be associated with how "unmanly" glitter is seen as, as well as the fact that pretty much all of it ends up as pollution in water.

  • @cabrerarodrigo82
    @cabrerarodrigo82 Місяць тому +6

    How do the neurons "see" the game. That's the part I can't wrap my head around

    • @thekingnerd6639
      @thekingnerd6639 27 днів тому +2

      The way that it will work is most likely they take the data from the game, asteroid for example, of an enemy being "to the left" and sends signal to a nerve cluster. Cluster then triggers, which tells the left cluster to turn left. Signal is then sent to a different sight cluster that says enemy is "in front" which tells the gun cluster to shoot. Just my guess, same way as us. We receive a signal from eyes that a wall is in front of us, so we don't run into the wall.

    • @Sadeness99
      @Sadeness99 26 днів тому

      Shiz makes me question life every single time

    • @michaelkrasavtsev
      @michaelkrasavtsev 24 дні тому +1

      They use signals to sense the obstacles, enemies, doors, walls, etc

  • @CaioLGon
    @CaioLGon Місяць тому +2

    Love the content. Every video and experiment is packed with so much information. That to me you are the best biology related channel.

  • @sweetspiderling
    @sweetspiderling Місяць тому +33

    18:13 putting a tinfoil hat on the neurons is amazing

  • @MateusAntonioBittencourt
    @MateusAntonioBittencourt Місяць тому +21

    Hey... I've noticed sometimes when pipetting, you (or whoever is doing the pipetting) touches the destination, and they go back to the source. This is a no-no as it can cross contaminate the whole batch, and the source material. I'm not even talking about living contamination. In the examples I saw, I don't think it's that big of a deal, it would introduce neurobasal into the neuron source.
    But it's a bad practice either way.

    • @GabrielleduVent
      @GabrielleduVent 25 днів тому

      Yep, once it touches a new source, tips go bye bye. I'm surprised at some of the stuff done here, as we ALWAYS filter our media... And I haven't seen that. Also, just pouring tubes out can be a source of contamination.

  • @BritishBoy
    @BritishBoy Місяць тому +1

    This is quickly becoming my favourite series on UA-cam

  • @purplrshadowyay
    @purplrshadowyay Місяць тому +1

    you have NO IDEA how much i've waited for this!!

  • @taiteo558
    @taiteo558 Місяць тому +16

    Can't wait until 2030 when I have to worry about giving my phone a concussion when I drop it

  • @HarbAlarm
    @HarbAlarm Місяць тому +47

    neurons: WHY IS IT SPICY

  • @dansamarco1610
    @dansamarco1610 Місяць тому +2

    YESSS, I've waited so long for this!

  • @water9359
    @water9359 Місяць тому +1

    Yessss, finally the part two

  • @Imtoolazytodothis
    @Imtoolazytodothis Місяць тому +547

    Do not let bro start his villain arc 💀

  • @patates42
    @patates42 Місяць тому +107

    ON TODAYS EPISODE OF MANMADE HORRORS WITHIN COMPRENTION
    (edit: i will respect english spelling once its concistant (was that wrong, probably) fake ass language)

    • @superpaperfoxhatesNSFW
      @superpaperfoxhatesNSFW Місяць тому +1

      ikr

    • @uriituw
      @uriituw Місяць тому +2

      How many todays are there?
      There’s no need to shout.

    • @d_mb
      @d_mb Місяць тому +1

      @uriituw ok boomer

    • @therealjibrano
      @therealjibrano Місяць тому +2

      COMPRENTION

    • @shadesoftime
      @shadesoftime Місяць тому +2

      spelling is beyond your own comprehension

  • @Chitose_
    @Chitose_ Місяць тому +1

    *THE PART TWO WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR* 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y
    @user-cd4bx6uq1y 5 днів тому +1

    I always have time, but for this guy I always have more time

  • @korraiswaifu6245
    @korraiswaifu6245 Місяць тому +86

    Wonder if the neurons will freak out when they cant look up or down.

    • @rootabeta9015
      @rootabeta9015 Місяць тому +46

      only as much as you'll freak out when you realize there's a fourth dimension you can't rotate yourself in

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Місяць тому +3

      @@rootabeta9015 Did somebody say 4D Golf? 😄

    • @oberonpanopticon
      @oberonpanopticon Місяць тому +5

      @@rootabeta9015actually I’m rotated in time by 4°

    • @monkyyy0
      @monkyyy0 Місяць тому +6

      @@rootabeta9015 sounds like a skill issue, I can rotate in the 4th dim just fine

    • @theeyeofomnipotent
      @theeyeofomnipotent Місяць тому +3

      ​@@harriehausenman8623 non-intuitive double rotation intensifies*

  • @francescoquadrio5824
    @francescoquadrio5824 Місяць тому +17

    Once again, casually bringing cutting edge research to UA-cam. Legend

  • @xplicit2734
    @xplicit2734 Місяць тому +1

    Been waiting for this vid!

  • @armamentarmedarm1699
    @armamentarmedarm1699 Місяць тому +2

    You know now you and your community need to communicate with the manufacturer of Green Dakara to make sure they either never change it, or always keep the current recipe available.

  • @Weretyu7777
    @Weretyu7777 Місяць тому +19

    Love the Tumblr post reference with the Torment Nexus joke

  • @LinthusOriginal
    @LinthusOriginal Місяць тому +26

    2:18 "don't build the tormentor nexus. And thus far we've been making great progress"... wait wait, so, you are making great progress in NOT BUILDING the tormentor nexus, or in building it?

  • @elberuh13
    @elberuh13 Місяць тому +1

    i just subscribe for this series i was waiting so much for this video i cant wait to see what you gonna do next, super exiting

  • @dallenlofgreen5331
    @dallenlofgreen5331 Місяць тому +1

    Just want you to know that your channel is what introduced me to the field of biological engineering. I'm now pursuing a doctorate in the field. Thanks for being an inspiration.

  • @user-lk1bl2uk8w
    @user-lk1bl2uk8w Місяць тому +119

    Ah yes finaly update for the literal game of life😂

  • @Amipotsophspond
    @Amipotsophspond Місяць тому +11

    18:13 don't forget to wrap the wires too, it's how you turn a moderate speaker system in to a high end speaker system.

    • @mduckernz
      @mduckernz Місяць тому +2

      The wires look like they might be fiber optic?
      Apart from USB, but that’s error corrected

  • @killshadow3
    @killshadow3 Місяць тому +4

    This is one of the coolest projects I've ever seen. Who knows, maybe someday you'll connect whole rat brains to the internet

    • @carlpanzram7081
      @carlpanzram7081 Місяць тому +1

      It'll end ul learning to Google for pictures of cheese and female rats.

    • @ashutoshsethi6150
      @ashutoshsethi6150 17 днів тому +1

      ​@@carlpanzram7081 and cat slander.

  • @Jim-Stick
    @Jim-Stick Місяць тому +1

    There is no way I can explain my feeling of this... This is awesome.

  • @sasukekun1997
    @sasukekun1997 Місяць тому +6

    This is easily my favorite Science channel. Keep up the work, this is amazing content

  • @chirilafilip3212
    @chirilafilip3212 Місяць тому +673

    What if we somehow connected neurons to a limb to train it to hold and shoot a gun, so that the neurons could kill a human being.

  • @Leo_33350
    @Leo_33350 Місяць тому +2

    The nest episode: I accidentally made the Frankenstein😂😂😂

  • @kkotheracountnstuff
    @kkotheracountnstuff Місяць тому

    Been waitin for more, cant wait for the big finish :]

  • @stereoisstrate
    @stereoisstrate Місяць тому +16

    Today is a day to remember. Tomorrow is a day that we will never forget

    • @MaxBrix
      @MaxBrix Місяць тому +4

      I can't remember today. It is currently happening. I can't remember tomorrow. It hasn't happened yet. Soon I will forget about yesterday.

    • @Tigershark_3082
      @Tigershark_3082 Місяць тому

      ​@@MaxBrix bro forgor 💀

  • @besknighter
    @besknighter Місяць тому +22

    Damn, that poster looks AMAZING!

    • @noi0124
      @noi0124 Місяць тому

      Thank you!

  • @Gounesh
    @Gounesh Місяць тому +2

    I didn’t know that there a so many materials in common with 3d printing! Fep, pei, teflon, lactate. Just waow!

  • @flamestrider605
    @flamestrider605 Місяць тому

    I love that the same thing used for FDM 3D printing bed adhesion, PEI, is being used here as a sort of brain bed adhesion. Really interesting work!

  • @laetitiaklinkhammer192
    @laetitiaklinkhammer192 Місяць тому +5

    you have no idea how excited i am about this update. I've been rewatching the old video very often as a source of comfort

  • @TooMich
    @TooMich Місяць тому +10

    0:00 this is your brain. 1:22 this is your brain on [Petri dish]. Say no to [chemistry]”

  • @cefcephatus
    @cefcephatus Місяць тому +1

    The ad read in this video make me think brain-computer device is already implanted in my brain. You're really good at this.

  • @sannyassi73
    @sannyassi73 Місяць тому

    Been waiting for this one for a long while, glad to see you're still working on this :D
    Maybe we're all just an experiment in some giant's experiment to see if we can play the game of 'life' properly :P

  • @VsevolodKhusid
    @VsevolodKhusid Місяць тому +125

    Cannot wait for growing brains to beat Super Mario 64