Can Muscle Save an Ugly Face ? - (Blackpill Analysis)
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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Hey guys in todays video we will be discussing if hitting the gym and adding muscle mass will help increase your attractiveness
Yup, it's always been face > height > body.
yes,face, height,body, dressing sense
It isnt one is better than the other tho. If u hv good face but 5'3 a normie faced dude who is 6'0+ will have a better chance.
@@blitheixgaming1289 what's Average in your area?
99% Genes > 98% genes > 5% genes
Makes sense
Face then body then height
Face definitely matters more...if you are 4 or 3 , your body wont help you at all....but if you are 5 or 6....having a good physique can definitely help you a lot
Define 'alot' if you are normie with a lean body your ceiling has been reached
What about 2 like me. Should l rope?
Nobody is a 2 lmao, are u 125 kgs 5’6 bald dude in his 20s? @@ThatisnotHair
No
I think a good body may make women want to hookup with you. But a good face will make women want to actually be with you in a relationship. If you have both you hit the lottery
Best comment
Facts
no, women don't want hook-up with ugly mascular men
Women don't have a distinction is long and short term preferences
Heck no. I lost like 50 pounds in six months from working out, in addition to working a physical stocker job at a massive grocery store while here in college. I got lean and mean.
You know who compliments my physique? My MALE coworkers.
A chiseled body is more of a masculine fantasy than a female one. Not saying women don’t like them, a lot of them do. But guys care MORE for it than women.
My face is average on a good day, and I get zero attention from women, despite my body drastically changing.
A sexy face is the ultimate indicator for attractiveness and actual INTEREST for women. Personality then comes in when you are actually dating, and is the sustainer.
Good explanation and I agree. Genes are what count and the gym can’t make up for undesirable genes. The fallacy that “hard work” can make anybody a high tier normie or better.
People who say this just haven’t reached a point where they are muscular enough to be impressive to women.
Guys notice small changes and slightly above average physiques, since they compare you to their (average) selves.
Women are not impressed by muscular physiques until you reach a point where you look like you’re on steroids. In other words, if you’re natural, don’t ever expect women to fawn over your physique lol.
At the beginning I got lots of compliments from men. Now I get compliments from both sexes.
Lots of blackpillers seem to be delusional about muscles. I think it’s tied in with the fact that lots of guys overestimate their physiques. They go to the gym for several months and go from looking below average to average (or slightly above), then get compliments only from men, and conclude that women must not care about muscles. But if you are truly muscular and have an impressive physique, then women will let you know.
@@WALTAH2000 no, you got to have a face to go with the body dude.
@@seventhkeyomegasghost8233 Plenty of tinder experiments as well as real studies which disagree with you
@@WALTAH2000 my man there are wmn in the comments telling you what I'm saying. Face is always first, it's a reason why scrawny soft looking pretty boys tend to be the most popular dudes, even over jocks and I'm an ex jock. The only man competing with pretty boys are pretty looking jocks. If you are a male "buttaface" she's going to want to know "what's in your wallet".
Blackpill content creators aren’t toxic but a lot of people in the community are.
They only have one word in mind: COPE. Everything is cope to them it’s disgusting.
For the majority of men (normies) going to the gym and improving their life as much as possible can definitely help them have more success in dating.
And yes life is unfair some men are so good looking in the face that they need nothing else to get girls and a minority of men who are so ugly that they will never attract good looking women no matter what they do but that doesn’t mean you should give up.
There’s truth in that
yeah don't give up go get rejection again
I never understood why blackpill guys complained about women. Of course if you're a short ugly 5th percentile loser, then you're gonna get rejected by girls. What the fick do you expect. You should just be grateful to be alive at that point. Dudes expect women to flock to them while looking like mclovin. Stfu
Jajajajaja pero porque yo soy feo y siempre tuve chicas no lo entiendo enserió 👨🦲
Yes they are LOL
Having a good physique is very important for men in general regardless of height you don't want to be a Fat Giant or a Fat Dwarf
Woooow there
@@zoren1900 I'm guessing you are the Fat one I was referring to
A lot of fat Ogremaxxed tall guys slay a f ton. If a girl has a Freudian style attraction and that Tall ogre reminds her of her father
For short term (one night stands etc.) having a lean muscular physique seems really important. It's like a primal thing for women. They even seem ok with a shorter or ugly guy as long as he's ripped - but just for a night.
For long term height and facial attractiveness seems way more important.
ONS tend to happen because a woman is overcome with a attraction. Attraction primarily come from the face. Good-looking guys will always have more ONS than gym-cels
You are right, but for women they have a lot of options they will always go for chads ,women have options so if one guy is handsome and ripped and one guy is ugly and ripped, who are they gonna choose? ofc the handsome one
I’m 6’2 and I have a (as rated by my brutally honest friends) 6-7/10 face. I have a relatively good natural build, and I currently make around 100k. What would be my rough SMV
@@galacticcuber2058 6.5, girls don't really care about your job. My friend's short and ugly and he's a pharmacist driving bmw and he just gets used for money, never gets approached. My other friend is tall, good looking face, skinny but muscularly fit and he works construction dead end cash jobs, also he's addicted to drugs, and every time we go out he always gets approached.
@@arborharbor7408 what could I work on to improve SMV? I have a roughly chadlite- chad if you are ok with my slightly darker skin and I am taller than most people I see every day.
Getting lean (preferably around 12% or lower), as your briefly touched upon in a way, definitely has much more potential of saving an ugly face. Personally, I’ve realized thus far that many people are beyond 20% body-fat, so the gym in a sense may actually save them.
yea and most attractive people are at low BFs, never seen a model over 20% BF
@@llg34sll yeah cuz you NEED low bf to get into modeling since they want high set cheekbones which you need low bf for
Haha Chad getting that low is abit fucked for size unless your a jabbawookie, do you really want to have no size at all?
8% bf is the most ideal in my opinion (that may be controversial)
@@terrancewood9322 but without PEDs brah? Cos you be tiny like a wafer brah?
low bodyfat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big muscles
Doesn't matter if your ugly keep going improve yourself and you will be better in every way
@JIMJIM what do you mean
Exactly, people dont understand that complaining about being an ugly incel on the internet wont do shit bur make you even more depressed
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@TheIcemanBergkamp your welcome
As a dude who is not white and not good looking, I agree with u big dawgz.
Body type matters too (broad shoulders , natural V shape, etc)
Muscle is body type. Broad shoulders and v shape is caused by having muscle mass.
@@WALTAH2000 i saw guys who were born with very narrow shoulders, looks kinda bad
@@personne4487 That’s funny because everyone is born as a
@@WALTAH2000 No. There are guys that have genetically wide clavicles and genetically SLOPED clavicles. This is why you get guys who build their side delts but they slope downwards and look unattractive.
No offence, but looking at your pic, you slightly come under this category. Only slightly though. You ideally want the shoulders coming wide and lateral. You don't want them coming wide and downward.
And muscles assimetry and insersitions.
'CONFIRMED - New data, women DON'T want top 20% of men, it IS top 5%'. But you can always try to hook up with a 'Memphis Mama' type who has 11 kids from 8 dads and wants 19 more... Welcome to Dystopia!
You have to train your neck, everyone should incorporate neck training it's an absolute must!
I think what Wheat said is very true, a ugly guy with a great body is seen as coping/compensating while a Chad is seen as Chad+. I see the reactions and looks of women in the gym almost daily, and ar least here in Germany, I can confirm this statement
For overweight people however the case is very different coz once u loose the weight then only ur face can look attractive like we can still see skinny or underweight people being attractive on the basis of their looks but the only way a fat person can ever be 'attractive' is by loosing the weight
Once I got lean I found a really good jawline haha. If you’re worried about your face but you’re still going through puberty or at high body fat%, give it some time and put in the work first! You’ll be suprised
I have a decent jawline but I’m only 14 and looking to improve my attractiveness. Main flaws being smaller chin and a wider nose. What can I do about this? 6’1 130 pounds btw. I would say I’m skinny but not lean enough to see abs without flexing
@@galacticcuber2058 tf? you're still a toddler in biology sense, you barely entered puberty ofc your chin is small...
@@galacticcuber2058 14 is really young to be worrying about that stuff. Best thing you can do at this point is to start training strength and keep a clean diet, in a slight calorie surplus. DO NOT try and get leaner to get abs at this point, you need a muscular base before you should cut down to abs level. Plus training whilst leaner is very slow progress. Your face will develop as you grow so just give it the best possible environment for growth. Hope that helps :)
@@galacticcuber2058 14 and already 6'1??? bro just wait till you hit high school and youre gonna get all the girls. dont even worry about it.
@@galacticcuber2058
Ur 14 grt off yt stop worrying about this shit br9
As a person who was very fat (38%+ body-fat) and was average (18-20%) i can say that gym and fat loss can change all game. Now i'm around 13-14% and looks like it's the time when my face become really chiseled and face features become way sharper (eyes and nose especially). From 3/10 to 7/10 just because lost fat and got rid of water retentions...
Damn that's good
Паша техник??
Don't stay on Keto too long dude haha it's not good for you...
@@Demonvii7 Keto isn't work for me well)) Tried 10 days and had zero energy and super bad mood. All way just low carbs and high protein 2-3 meals a day with 3-4 cheat days every month
@@user-cl5kj8qg7r sounds liveable
There's no gym for your face.
surgery
@@zSion nah
@@zSion is cheating
unless you have awful ratios or a badly recessed chin/maxilla or severe NCT, a sub 12% BF will usually result in a 6/10 face or better.
I have all three. Bad ratios, recessed chin/maxilla, and also narrow mandible.
no it really wont, face, eyes and nose also matter
@@distopianmind9324 I mentioned those dumb 🍑 this is why your parents love you cause you can’t even read a sentence right
@@llg34sll doesnt look like nose is in that sentence,
@@distopianmind9324 awful ratios and a recessed maxilla makes up part of the nose smhh
A good looking face can save a bad body but not the other way around.
Depends on how the body is. If the body is completely estrogenic or klinefelter tier, then definitely not. If it's just a dad bod, skinny fat or even slightly chubby then possibly.
What gymcels don't realize is that a bad facial features usually come hand in hand with bad body proportions (aka "framecel"). No amount of hitting weights will fix that.
If you gymmax and are at least 5”8 and average looking I think it can help
Everyone knows muscles will give normies a massive boost, but sub 5 will stay inkwels despite having an aesthetic body. If you're a sub5 your only solution is surgery
The thumbnail caught my eye.
It insinuated that a 4/10 = ugly
I was pretty sure a 4/10 was = to low tier normie? And correct me if I am wrong but that is at the lower end of average.
And before you say it, no I am not coping, as I am around a 5.5 in the face, I just felt like we need to appreciate that a 4/10 might not be attractive to women but he certainly isn't ugly.
Now back to the video lol, as I am merely 36 seconds in.
Lol you’re the dude who got banned on Looksmax. What’s up bro
@@sieg6635 Yup, they banned me for basically nothing. The place is corrupt. Staff members have their little clique going on behind the scenes.
It's got too many hard core black pill extremists though. They take it too far. Just use the information in the Best Of The Best Section and keep a look out for any new good threads via the main-page.
Apart from that, don't use it. Most of the guys there are disillusioned and addicted to TikTok and Instagram. Their brains are programmed to have only a tunnel vision.
4/10= ugly as a man bro if u a woman yea but man yea
I've been rated a 4/10 on TRM and have always been ignored by women so I'd say it's ugly.
@@portman8909 I have seen many normies in the work place who are invisible or seen as just not attractive but not ugly and worthy of friend zone
I am currently with a girl and despite a recessed maxilla (slight underbite), everyone says that I am very good looking in the face, which shows as I constantly have about 2500 Tinder matches.
However I am short in my Country (Germany) with exactly 180cm among the young people. I still do have a very lean & muscular body from working out for several years.
What I notice is that, when I am with girls they always trash talk certain guys to be minions, despite them being only slightly shorter then I am. For instance guys, who are 177-179cm are super short according to them.
Feels super weird sometimes.
I do wear boots which give me 4cm more height when being outdoors but it’s crazy that these few cm really bring you down into the super short territory. If I wouldn’t wear boots I guess I would be called the same.
Also women seem to assume better face looking guys to be automatically taller than they really are.
@@G676aqiu-78 cut the zeros and thats more realistic lol
@@G676aqiu-78 oof I meant 25 but well 😅
@@G676aqiu-78 savage
@@G676aqiu-78 I do yes, believe it or not. However I didn’t mention my height or generally much in the bio.
They only see my face and body in the pictures.
@@G676aqiu-78 I can relate from some of my friends but it always says 99+ likes and from 10 swipes, I get about 2-4 matches.
Every normie should be able to reach 25 easily, when doing it right.
So it is possible but you have to know how to take good photos, dress well & have a good face.
Also don’t mention your height, if it’s average or below.
I'm a girl and no. I would go nice body and quickly move one. Hot bodies are way better paired with a beautiful face. It's like a complete cake.
best comment on here, face is the most important, i would say its 75 percent of attractiveness with body being 25 percent, a good body compliments a a good face .
Daniel Craig is considered the hottest Bond yet the least handsome based on his face. There was a website protesting his casting because he didn't have the classic Bond look. But when he showed his muscles people particularly women loved him.
Daniel Craig is a really weird one, to me he looks like a typical Romanian truck driver.
I guess his leanness makes his jaw and face angularity pop and his blue eyes are attractive.
@@pocnit That and his $$$ Fame and Social Status.
Daniel Craig mogs most blackpillers.
Bro is 5,8😊
Excellent point on Daniel Craig! He's also first actor under 6 ft to play Bond (Craig is 5-10 & all the other Bond actors, including the legendary Sean Connery, were well over 6 ft). And Craig's physique was a nice blend of muscularity & aesthetics - which women like far more than the bulky, steroid look.
So, Craig should be an inspiration to the normies out there that are in the 5-9 to 5-10 range (a 5-9 guy can wear shoe lifts & easily be 5-10). Build your body to get the Daniel Craig look (you guys are going to have to hit the gym hard & eat a healthy diet). Get a James Bond hair cut. Work on your personality being cool & confident. Perhaps adapt an English accent to sound more sophisticated around women. These certainly will help a 5-9/5-10 average looking dude make it big with attractive women! 😍
I was born with a severe facial abnormality which makes me look special needs, I'm also 5'6. The only way I'm ever going to get a 1% chance of having a girlfriend is by having a nice body.
Brutal
@@xy1011 tell me about it brother
@@demetter7936 Sounds like it's over sadly.
Same , I’m ugly but surprisingly I had gfs back in hs and middle school , now that I’m 20 I haven’t been lucky at all
Maximize your potential.
You guys forget the most important ones - Race and Skin colour
So true, race plays a bigger role than what people think.
@stormtrooper1484 Maybe not, but in general race can be important(as I would know from experience).
@stormtrooper1484some races have not facial attractiveness
I am not white and I am not good looking but I am chill with that. I make up for in other ways. I am hardworking blue collar dude, i want to be humble ,I breakdance a little, write raps, deejay in the making, and I have been pumping iron since 2019 and gained a decent amount of muscle. I weight train for me and not to drowned in a tsunami of women. So much more to this world than looks and the European standards 0:13 of beauty. I feel bad for men who are caught up in their looks.
Let's be honest. Unless the guy is going out of his way when choosing clothes(which is painfully obvious), you really can't tell what someone's body looks like.
Are you going to carry a picture of your body into the bar/club/library/grocery store , or will you dress like a suspect guy or 90's bodybuilder with a spaghetti tank top?
Depends, you can still develop shoulder muscles which are always visible, and quads (which are visible in a pair of jeans. ). Also, some beach clubs are topless if that's your thing.
Not true, other people can clearly see big shoulders, arms and back through the clothes its easy to show off some biceps
Most important muscles for womens attraction
-shoulders
-arms
-butt glutes
-fat %
Chest? Abs?
@@Sfaegbe chest can be made with push abs abs too.
But shoulders are the most difficutl muscle the make
@@Moesie Lol why would shoulders be difficult, they have one of the highest androgen receptor counts.
@@pocnit because shoulders have the highest muscle mass
@@pocnit google it
Maybe, having a 4/10 face and an 8/10 phyique might bump you up to 5 or 6/10. Very good but still normie status when it comes to the dating market
Based on my experience a gym max body will boost you 1.5 as long as your a 5 or above. You wont go from 6 - 10 but you can go from a 6-7.5
Go to the gym for your health and fitness. Any benefits beyond that should be considered as a bonus.
I have a narrow lower third. I'm afraid that losing body fat will make my lower third look even narrower.
Only surgery or fillers can fix, as that's related to your mandible bone
@@G676aqiu-78 Forehead? Mine is wide like megamind. A fringe helps a bit.
@@angry_npche's Korean I think hahhahs
White Teeth, Mewing, Skincare, Great Hairstyle. Even if they don’t go too far…they still go.
Dude I always watch your stuff and I don't even know your name, but I can guarentee you're moroccan :D
Ugly face + great physic = invisible the same is perfectly applicable to short men regardless of their look, unless of course they look like Tom Cruise and in any case they would still get not many results at all, well at least not that many. beautiful asymetrical face + no great physic = a lot of results. (especially if you're a pretty boy)
I have a theory even if you have a great physic but facially a subfive then I think that it would be safe to say at this point that no matter how hard you try you will stil get no validation or recognition for your effort so none would see or notice your progress because you would still be lacking harmony.
At what height a guy wouldn't get results with girls if? I'd like to know your opinion
*symmetrical. Asymmetrical is the uneven opposite
@@ilmiratore9811 Anything below 5ft6 would start to be extremely tough
Body definitely helps .
I would say that you can become a 7-8 overall with a good body while your face is only a 5-6. Lots of examples on IG. But they usually also have a good genetic base to give them that asthetic muscular looks. What I mean by that is you need to have pretty decent amount of muscle mass while being pretty lean. If you work out but you still don't look strong/asthetic enough, that's not gonna help you too much, but that's simply the result most people would achieve. (slightly muscular but not asthetic enough to give you an edge) So it still mostly comes down to genetics in the end
No it doesn’t. Anyone can look like an amateur level competitive bodybuilder regardless of their genetics.
Not a chance a normie 5 face becomes a chad 7.5+ due to getting leaned out
2nd
But no its to a degree
The average man can go from a 5/10 to a 7/10 with muscle and strength
4/10 men can go to 6.5/10
3/10 men can get up to 5/10-6/10
2/10 men can get up to 4/10
1/10 men can get up to -1/10
I don't agree. I go to gym regularly, and it only took me from from like a 3.2 to a 3.8 at max. I still look like South Asian version of Jack Ma with really dark skin tone. Even with just above average height(184.2 cms and still get height mogged time and again) and build, it's still not enough to compensate for lack of facial looks and a really dark skin tone
Avg man can only go from a 5/10 to 6/10 with muscles. Strength doesn't matter - strength is male gaze.
Only perhaps in some third world scenario where the society is very violent, the strength factor brings you some status, and that adds to your smv. But without this contingency, strength doesn't add
7/10 means you are better looking than 90%of general population 5/10 man can never be a 7unless cosmetic surgery muscles can add upto 0.25 pts or less in overall SMV over for gymcels
I'm 6.3 feet and relatively broad built, but my face is a 4-5 and I have almost no chance with women
But you’re a tall king
Face> body (height, weight, frame) > race. Blackpill Uber alles.
I think this would only work for Tall Men
nope you also need to be good looking. I am 184.2cms but look like South asian version of Jack Ma with really dark skin tone and going to gym regularly did jack shit for me in terms of dating
@@user-nq5hy7vn9k you need to villagemax
@@InsaneCopePosse too late for even that unfortunately. Even village girls have unrealistic looks standard, especially after the good internet penetration and really cheap rate that came in recently. It's practically over. The only option I can think of is to abduct and stockholmmaxx some 4/10 plain-looking, loner type, low-self esteem girl who is poorly connected enough with her family to not get reported as missing. I fell like my only chance is to stock-holmmaxx some plain looking girl with low-self esteem
@@user-nq5hy7vn9k Jack Ma is the reverse Golden ratio.
Below 5'6- 5'7 is where it gets too hard
Nothing you can do if you're 5'6" or below and have a weak jaw/chin... that's basically no longer a man ☠️
I'm glad I'm above 5'6" at least!
Your comment made me feel better about being 5’7.
0:23 fuark yea 🔱
sorry to spoil your illusions but women don't have enough sex drive to sexualize the male body visually, just the face. no matter what they say in an interview, the ones who are really successful are tik tok's harmonic face pretty boys and not the gymcels
False, I hear women talk about mens bodies all the time. Literally last week these girls at work were thirsting over this guys buttocks in the office. His face was ugly btw.
Tik tok pretty boys are always very lean and will be tall with abs etc.
You can easily disprove your own comment by making a tinder profile of a guy that looks like Brad Pitt in fight club in terms of body and has their face mostly hidden.
@@pocnit no I agree that it's mostly face, but he said women cannot sexualize only body with no face, that is not true, I've seen it many times.
nice gains bro
I feel like height is overestimated. Even if you're 6'2-6'3, it won't matter if you're built like a stick or if your facial symmetry is messed up. Also, being absurdly tall makes it hard to gain muscle no matter how much you work out, you need double, even triple the workout requirement in order to be noticeable, something easily achievable by someone in the 5'8-5'11 range. Also, the taller you are the sickly you become overtime doubling your risk of heart disease, joint pain and neurological disorders. Seems like a huge wager for something that's not even guaranteed to work unless coupled with other factors. No thanks.
Personally, I believe face > body > height > personality is the most logical order.
Unironically I have heard complaints from jacked tall guys about struggling with women, I asked them for face and everything was clear as day.
@@naughtiousmaximus7853 For good reason. It's weird how everyone is so fixated on this one little detail that they're willing to let everything else slide in their own little made-up world. Height matters, don't get me wrong but it's far from the end-all-be-all these incels are making it to be. Sorry if this sounds harsh but there's tons of average looking guys having sex which refutes many of these black pill BS points.
@@danielobrian5675 idk blackpill is insane to me. Looks matter like crazy but most of these people are just unfortunate
Nofap make me confident..
Guy in the thumbnail is Arnel Ricafranca. I used to follow him many years ago for fitness guidance. Fortunately he is married with a lovely family and in a good place.
I’m trying to lean max and rip max to become a Tyrone but it’s rough.
I like how your attractive but blackpilled it’ll be nice if more attractive people were blackpilled so it isn’t just an inkwell thing
Great physique is not a medicine with ugly face, but fat or too skinny body can bring down even above avarage face
That's probably my issue mostly with 6'2 height :(
@@guig2004 dont go for that massive bulk body, lots of tall people do that, its not appealing at all.
@@berjoxhn5142 ofcourse I would not go that way ! Even so It is not achievable for me as of the fact my narrow bones (typical ectomorh).
I think gym helps if you are already tall and have a good facial bone structure
And face>>body
Bcz chad doesnt need to gym
And gym may helps if ur face is above average
get a wheat waffles face rating and make a video about it
depends on what the woman values. if the woman values a good physique above all else, then yes, otherwise, no.
A gym can save your face if you are fat but if you are a blackops2cel case then that is a whole different case
Good video
The simple fact is getting more muscular and having less bodyfat will get you girls period, only exception is being extremely short anything less than 5ft 3 or point blank SUB 5 in the face with extreme flaws on your eyes or jaw.
Usually lean physique matches the face tbh I have yet to see a ugly guy that 8-10 bodyfat that has a nice physique
Go look at "natural" bodybuilding competitors. And plenty of fitness influencers are ugly with good physiques, too.
@@wanking3432 They usually don’t have ugly faces.
The reality is that you are seeing them in very bright(usually fluorescent) lighting, because this sort of lighting highlights the muscles. You’ll seldom see an influencer or bodybuilder post a photo of themselves in dim lighting, since it makes the physique look less impressive. The type of lighting they use is able to make most people’s faces look significantly more unattractive. It’s why even attractive actors have to wear makeup, because they are under such unflattering light.
The reality is that most people who are sub 12% bodyfat have defined facial features, which makes them more attractive on average.
@@WALTAH2000 I guess Scooby1961, Athlean X, Big Ramy, Ronnie Coleman, Larry Wheels, to name a few, aren't ugly then.
Plenty of sub5s try to get lean, but they don't have the underlying bone structure to to support a defined, lean face.
@@wanking3432 Ronnie coleman was literally attractive in his prime, look up some of his old training videos . Larry wheels is average. Scooby is like 60 years old so for his age he is good looking.
Thing is I could easily list a bunch of conventionally attractive bodybuilders and we could go back and forth. It doesn’t disprove the fact that lower bodyfat=more defined cheekbones and jawline.
Sure there are ugly influencers and bodybuilders. But that doesn’t change the fact that there is nobody in the world who wouldn’t be more attractive (by blackpill standards) at 12% bodyfat than at 25%, and that’s the bottom line.
Most of those people you listed are average, but in the videos and photos you see them in they are under very bright fluorescent gym lighting to highlight their muscles. It’s the same type of lighting that calls for actors to wear makeup, like I said.
@@WALTAH2000 I'm not denying that lower body fat equals a more defined face, that's obvious. It's obvious that a lean person is better looking than their fat version, but this doesn't mean their lean version is no longer ugly.
What I'm objecting to is OP's original statement: "Usually lean physique matches the face tbh I have yet to see a ugly guy that 8-10 bodyfat that has a nice physique". This is literally, provably false. Even Tails has posted a lean, muscular guy with an ugly face in some of his videos. Plus, women find most men below average in looks, so even if these men leanmaxxed, they'd still be ugly.
You have to look at it from a woman's perspective, not a man's perspective.
Scooby, when he was younger, was not average, he was below average. You're coping if you think Scooby looks good, facially, as a 60+ year old. To you, Larry Wheels is average, most women would think otherwise. Most of the people I listed are not average, they're below average in looks, from a woman's perspective. Women are far more harsh than men, when it comes to rating men's looks.
4:00 Why body doesn't matter when a guy is an 8 in face attractiveness??? Should a better body give you the same "attractiveness bump" no matter your face and height??
You can actually optimize your face as well. I know this first hand as well, lose weight and do facial exercises.
cope
@@prosperandopositividade maybe for you. Because I’m so motherfucking handsome.
@@prosperandopositividade also, from my experience going to the gym isn’t going to wreck your looks.
@@user-sj9ty5eg4d u are so motherfuckin handsome and opened a video which the question is if muscle can save an UGLY FACE? contradicted in 2 phrases, damn.
normies are so funny, they lie to themselves just to not accept the real truth, cope so hard just to be blind to reality and comfortable in the blue pill world. Absolutely brutal, funny but sad.
@@prosperandopositividadeyoure an incel
Your opinion on sergie cabrer
Wheat waffles started the snowball effect
I am a very short guy, i think it's safe to just leanmaxx than gymaxxing
How tall?
I don't think that gymaxxing can will improve your atractivness. If you are short you can become manlet which is completely unactractive. Maybe if you have abs slightly more muscle then maybe you can become 10-20% more atractive.
Depends on how tall or handsome the man is. If you’re not tall yet you’re jacked, it’ll improve your chances but you’ll still lose to tall/ lanky guys and handsome guys.
I am 6 4, lean muscular but facially ugly. I barely get ugly girls
No-one is ugly.. you are just poor
By Cristiano Ronaldo ⭐⭐⭐💯💯💯
Oh yeah? Then why Trump looks like a grumpy orange? 😡
So toxic
Cristiano Ronaldo had a lot of plastic surgery on his face.
Another factor for having natty muscle beyond merely aesthetics is that it increases your Test and helps balance your brain chemicals. This will aid you in ways hard to describe exactly but you will feel way better and thus perform better with women all other things being equal
When you get jacked you feel good. When you feel good, your face looks good too.
Very true. Lifting makes you feel good. Feeling good is what builds confidence! When you have it, people can really notice it.
the thing is. Im skinny af and extremely confident about my body. Not my face tho lmao
@@rakiyt3876 u weird
@@fernendo4 ty
@@fernendo4 I guess my height helps my confidence quite a bit with my body (6'4)
No, they fucking can't..
A high tier Normie with muscles will get a foot in with Beckie (his looksmatch equal), after which he'll need some of these - charm, money, similar core life priorities, pheromones matching - for her to date him. Basically you are a Beckie equal and became above Beckie, so she gave you a chance.
A Chad with decent amount of muscles just becomes a God.
As someone who has a very ugly face, yes it does help, alot, women look pass my face for my big sholders and abs
Please tell more. I was born ugly and I need motivation
@@thalai143just train hard and the rest will follow.
Funny you say that. I’m a nonwhite dude who is not very good looking. But when I wear a sleeveless T shirts I notice females give little more attention.
Am black thin eyebrows wide nose stable jawline no cheek bones square face 5 '11 slightly muscular I might be ratted a 4 but my God woman love me this past two months I have had over 10+ girls wanting my number
@JIMJIM only by 1 inch
I have just given up on humanity 😞
Not true, I've seen plenty of not so good looking men get women and there not even in shape, women like masculine men, I've also seen men who were in shape and women lust after them but they are goofy and turn girls off, masculinity is number one above all, then body, because face is something you can not change but improve with health, I could tell a lot of y'all don't get women coz your listening to shit like this 😭😭go get experience and try what I said coz I'm 6'1 and I am ashamed to say I took many guys girls who were better looking and taller💯
Why do you put a picture of Arnel Ricafranca in your thumbnail, when he is not mentioned or shown once in the video?
so face is the most important part? wow
Height
@@Sfaegbe more ugly facies than uglier heights. more scrutiny and subjective
Also face is the most evolving thing in human. If you look at past 1 million years, most of the evolution is in face.
At best I might be a 6.5 in the face but my physique is 3/10 (obese) and my height is 5.5/10
Man I'm pretty hideous don't you think about it
If working out, doing a lot of exercises, could change your face for better, there wouldn't be so many ugly athletes, in football(soccer) mostly, and boy, I live in Brazil...
Even in that matter nature is more generous with women. Maybe because we have plenty of testosterone that leads us to think at least 50% of women are attractive or whatever...If a girl doesn't have a pretty face, or it is just average, but has a curvy body, and I don't mean curvy like those fitness freak, chubby curvy girls*, if she has curves or "big body parts men appreciate it", she will be seen as a goddess for plenty of guys.
If you are an average/ugly dude, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CRISTIANO RONALDO'S PHYSYQUE, there is no miracle! Total different ball game than the example I have mentioned above, besides all the effort with gym and diet(mostly) you have to put on to achieve that body!
*I tell you what, there are girls with a curvy body, and most of them are curvy just because they are above the weight(anyway, most of guys including me don't care), it took a long time to have a thorough look at them and realize their faces are not exactly cute.
Nowadays, I no longer believe that there is such a thing as a "beauty dictatorship" for women. Most men find attractive every race and most kinds of bodies(below obisity, of course). And these girls do have guys interest on them, but, they are looking for, and expecting validation from top tier men or the very few ones they find attractive, and it is only their validation that counts! So, when you hear "men only want women like top models, or shakira, or J-LO" it is actually "the chads only want..."
It's called mewing, and also wear makeup and become metro-sexual just like how some average women can become baddies overnight.
No it won't. Because A beautiful is the most important thing in this world 😔
The taller you are the more muscle mass you need to pack on to look like you workout not Mr Olympia level but taller guys look more slender because they have longer limbs and a longer body, therefore more muscle mass is needed than the shorter guys, short guys just need to train 1 year to look like they workout tall guys need atleast 2 years
So taller people are superior in every way basically?
I have something called pectus carinatum which a condition that sternum protrude more than normal and i have mild case of it building muscle helps it
body adds something like 0.25 bruv
Calisthenics is better than gym
Lol Brootal 😂
body/ height is good in social setting, but you need face in intimate setting, if your goal is not intimate setting, go to the gym
Mulheres medianas conseguem MAIS transas que homens medianos. O homem mediano só consegue tentar equiparar essa possibilidade quando tem estabilidade financeira e um físico acima da média.
Attractive face and low body fat with average height
I was at a mental ward and there was some fellow who was alwas angry and i noticed he had a built body or like shaped at lleast and ok height but his face wasn'rt below average. wonder that why he was pissed off?
Imagine working out to impress women
Most people are avoiding plastic surgery and instead going to the gym smh 🤦🏽♂️, when people don’t want pain but they want gain it’s ridiculous
This guys looks like a Chadlite👍
But if I am 8.5 feet and taller is better😂😂
thumbnail face is not ugly its average you cappin.
Race > Face > Height > Body. Therefore having a good lean body is a bonus not a requirement , if all the other variables meet the requirements . Between face > height or height > face is a controversial point and difficult to predict which is more important in the hierarchy.
You seriously think race matters more than face lmfaoo? Stop it bro
@@daviddekker676 Yes race matters a bit more than face. An average whyte guy >>>> than any non whyte population(in terms of looks). Therefore whyte people mogs rest of the world population just by being whyte , I hope you realise how just by virtue of being a certain race the smv increases drastically.
Bro theres no fucking way you believe this.
White ppl do have highest smv but that doesn't mean race matters more than face for gods sake. In fact most incels are nerdy white guys to be honest
@JIMJIM ???
@@daviddekker676 these guys are just coping with not being attractive so they blame their race, being attractive in itself its own RACE. studies and data show when a attractive men of any race is in a setting with women he will do very well.
But If i am skinny? Thath means my face will be same forever?
No