The GOAT According To 25 Football Legends
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Who is the greatest football player of all time?
A debate that has been raging on since the dawn of mankind. It is also a debate that will likely never reach a conclusion.
This video is not about my opinion on who the GOAT is. Instead, it's about the opinions of some of the greatest footballers and managers in the history of world football. Let's see what they had to say.
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00:00 - Intro
01:38 - Footballer and Manager opinions
14:07 - Cristiano Ronaldo vs Lionel Messi: Will the debate ever end?
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I realize I should have been more specific in the Ronaldo and Messi Comparison. The comparison was only taking into account the time that Messi and Ronaldo were both in La Liga (09/10 - 17/18), hence "2009-2018" on the graphics. I'm aware Messi won the CL with Barca in 2009 (08/09), but that does not fall in the time frame.
In any case, it doesn't change the message of that section: this argument will never end. Ironic.
Definitive conclusion! MESSI IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME, No one compares! The only person with a slight chance of comparison is Maradona. Yet still Messi is a Modified version of Maradona🙌🏾 😆😂.
Stop Smoking that shit. Or Get a better drug deal lol. Peace
Just being Real.
@@Rico18777 or you are deluded
The argument never ending doesn't mean that there is no definitive answer.
After the Copa America win, like it or not, Messi is the greatest footballer to ever play, I honestly don't know why this is still even a discussion.
I am just saying, the guys stats are insane, even without winning previous international trophies, he would come out winning the best player award and golden ball of those tournaments. And the only player that can even touch his great 15 years longevity is Ronaldo, and even then, Messi stats and records beats his convincingly.
I honestly don't know how Messi isn't the GOAT LOL.
@@rachetmarvel931 Messi is the 🐐!! it’s just fan boys (which is understandable) hating. The fact that he’s even compared to Ronaldo is absurd!
@@tatir1327 🤣 maybe bro. Make your point I dare you!! let’s see who is talking out their ass. @ me bro
"Lionel messi can't be the goat because he haven't won any international trophy yet"
That aged well...
VAMOSSS ARGENTINA WON.MESSI IS THE GOAT WITHOUT A DOUBT
Like milk😂
@@dreamerboy517 ur name fits ur believing
@@dreamerboy517 according to your logic, CR7 has ended the debate 5 years ago .
But he finally did, what do you say then?
They were jus too scared to talk about the God of football himself
Lord Braithwaite
Ronaldo is the best for me
@@nimesh3990 lost
Dolberg
Goatwaithe in the house 😎
Facts this man speaking facts
I loved Robert Lewandowski's answer. A symbol of an intelligent player. He deserved the Ballon D'or more than a few people I can think of like Michael Owen for example
Michael Owen was a fuckng phenomenon in his youth. Maybe im the lower half of Ballon D'Or winners but if he never got injured he would probably be considered one of the best of his generation.
@@safebans1369 he didnt train hard
He was only partying
@@tcm_nilla doesn’t change the fact that in his first few seasons before injury he was one of the best strikers England has ever seen
But Messi and Ronaldo started playing with the greats such Ronaldo ,Ronaldonho, Zidane ,… and many more
Since they were 17 yes of age .
And all of those give a nod to Messi and second to him Ronaldo ( CR 7)
So it is settled .
@@safebans1369 he still never deserved a Ballon d'or, though...
"He didn't win anything with argentina"
That aged like milk
It's honestly incredibly annoying regardless. Messi & Ronaldo probably both deserved one for them to truly complete football as one of the greatest of all time. But I can't really say that even without one they wouldn't have been some of the best of all time. Putting up that type of barrier just feels disgusting, especially with the reasoning behind them sometimes.
I mean, obviously all these legends are not accounting for the legendary Lord and King of Denmark, Nicklas Bendtner!
Being danish may (or not) give me the right to discard Bendtner from this "league" he is just a very stupid young man - wish him all the best anyway, but really ..
@@vilhelmthomsen1941 don’t diss the king
Don’t diss the actual king of Denmark braithgoat
goatwaite clear
@@martingoatwaite7324 yessir
I’m cool with anyone liking Ronaldo more than Messi (as a Messi fan). However the toxicity in the debate is wild. Ronaldo isn’t going to respect your argument nor would Messi. As a Messi fan Ronaldo is amazing. They’re not going to send you a signed jersey for defending them. Being #2 isn’t being trash. Never understood how anyone can view either Messi or Ronaldo as bad.
lets talk about the real ronaldo when we talk about goat? ...
Ikr. As a Ronaldo fan, I do respect Messi. And if you are up for an argument establishing how Messi is better than him by giving the examples of his dribbling skills, visionary passes and playmaking, I would agree. But I'd have my points as well. Accurate finishing, showing absolute best performance in crucial situations and scoring in whatever angle he likes(even if it might seem impossible to score) in impossible ways. But what I really don't like is commenting negatively under any post that emphasizes his achievements and accolades. Instead of appreciating, some annoying fans would type "PENALDO" or "MESSI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PENALDO", "THE REAL GOAT IS MESSI". I mean just "Why?". Nobody dragged those into the conversation of discussing about Ronaldo. Who cares who's better than whom. After all they respect each other and they both are thriving.
@@neotank874 I prefer Ronaldo as a person definitely, and so I like Ronaldo more. However when watching them you realize that the natural skill or talent of Messi is just much more impressive. Look at how many defenders he effortlessly goes past for example. Its art to watch.
Wish I could give you 10 likes
I agree but can say that messi fanboys are the most toxic, ronaldo fanboys are also pretty toxic but toxic messi fanboys are more numerous.
Pele is seriously underrated by kids nowadays. Seriously, look how many votes the guy got from the some of the greatest players in history. Totally deserves the confidence he has today
Pele let his doughter die, he said that she was not your doughter, i guess their actions outside the camp turns him lower popular than he was able to be
Because Pele's big 2 claims is World Cups and Goals. For World Cups he wasn't the best player on his own team for 2 of those wins and for Goals he just lies about his goal tally
@@sreddi83 You're a clown
No men. Pele is greatly overrated by old timers
Pelé è il più grande calciatore della storia perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti
Here after Messi won World Cup. 🎉
messi non è completo il tutto il piede destro non è né preciso ne potente dentro l area di rigore e fuori dall'area di rigore con il piede destro non tira quasi mai di testa non è granché Pelé è il più grande calciatore della storia perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti ha vinto tre mondiali 58 62 70 con il Brasile ha vinto due coppe intercontinentali 62 63 una coppa del mondo per club a s siro contro l Inter 1968 ha segnato 1283 goals in 1371 partite Pelé incomparabile inarrivabile magico
The disrespect phil jones is getting in this video, not being mentioned, pathetic
He didn’t disrespect phil jones
He poked fun at Bendtna and you didn't say anything. Funny how offense is only taken when it "affects" you isn't it?
Guys, pretty sure he's joking
Shitty overused joke
Lord maguire is the GOAT
The fact nobody mentioned Gerd Muller shows how he is still incredibly underrated. He won 3 ucls, ballon dor, WC and had so many record to his name.
He never shouted "siuuuu" like a c**t when he won the ballon do'r or topscorer award. That's why the fanboys would never know about him haha.
@@sagarranjan4585 y do u hate cr7
Who?
@@doubleOR1 the best European striker of all time. Der Bomber
@@andrewgonzalez6525 I don't hate him. He is not my favorite but I respect how he adjusted his game to be important for the team. Although I do not hold his fanboys in very high regard😂
Notice how most of Messi votes are from neutral legends, many greats who never played with or against Messi, nor ever coached him still rate him as the best. That's because they see magic in his play, it's second to none. Messi is the greatest the world has ever witnessed🐐, the others are great too🙏.
And Cruyff not getting a vote made me upset😟
Messi got a vote from pep...
@@zirbto5749 ‘most of’
Never maradona will always be the greatest
@@mamahuevo359 He himself said Messi is the best.
@@zirbto5749 Ronaldo got on from saf
"Lionel messi can't be the goat because he haven't won any international trophy yet"
Aged like milk 😘
Messi is superman, gifted, Cr7 is the batman who was able to touch him once. Messi is the goat for me.
😑😑
Batman beat superman
Nah ronaldo has proved it many times that he’s far greater than messi messi will always live in ronaldos shadow
@@theanimeguru3445 Ronaldo is peak human performance. Messi is otherworldly. That’s the difference.
@@jollofrice914 😑😑
Messi for me is the GOAT but unlike many others I respect Ronaldo. He is one of the most inspiring personalities you'll see.
Messi is the GOAT but cr7 is my favorite
Ronaldo is GOAT for me he's exceptional
C Ronaldo is a great player, but is kinda pathetic that he voted himself knowing he's not even close to Messi. He's a great athlete but Leo is the essence of football, it's a genius.
@@WhatWillCome He is definitely close to Messi. Maybe not on his level, but definitely really close
@@adrianpaulochoa9825 I'm not agree. Close to Messi is Maradona, is Pele, is Ronaldo O fenomeno. He's close only in goals ( in some items he's on top actually, but remember he's older and he has like 150 matches more played) but he's not close when we talk about football itself. Messi is not only a striker, he's a playmaker, he's dribbling is superb, he has an incredible control, vision and precision....well he's a genius! C.Ronaldo can't even dribble a cone and has an incredible amount of penalty goals.... No, he's not close.
I like the way this debate goes...
Those guys naming themselves as GOAT (Pelé, C. Ronaldo) slowly falling behind but that one that never called himself the GOAT finally can be seen in his true glory. Even the blind can see...
Truth alone triumphs.
Messi won.
he is 1st place without voting for himself, This video was made before Messi won the Copa America and world cup. Messi win best attitude, best skills, and greatest of all time.
messi non è completo il piede destro non è né preciso ne potente dentro l area di rigore e fuori dall'area di rigore con il piede destro non è tira quasi mai di testa non è granché Pelé è il più grande calciatore della storia perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti ha vinto tre mondiali con il Brasile 58 62 70 due mondiali con il santos 62 63 una coppa del mondo per club a s siro contro l Inter nel 1968 ha segnato 1283 goals in 1371 partite Pelé incomparabile inarrivabile magico aveva i due piedi allo stesso modo di testa saltava 18 20 centimetri sopra messi Pelé solo solo di testa ha segnato circa 400 goals non c è paragone con nessuno Pelé incomparabile inarrivabile magico
Mate I love the way you make these videos where you mix in the comedic one liners and you say it so casually 😂
Haha cheers, brother!
You don’t linger on it too much either. I think other you tubers try too hard good content bruh
@@FootballIconic you basically like a relaxed football version of squidge rugby😅
Comedic one liners? Time stamps?
@@FootballIconic Why'd you have to do Arsenal fans like that though? Sadge.
Love how this is recommended to me after Messi won the cops America!
Messi is just something else entirely. He made me a Barça fan back in 2006 when i was only 10 years old. I was a Chelsea fan then btw.
Back to Messi, the dude is just magical. Not just a goalscorer and i must emphasize on that. It makes sense coz he learnt from arguably the greatest midfield duo in the history of football (Xavi and Don Andreas).
Especially now in PSG where he's apparently "finished". Most assist in the league and countless playmaking plays. He's basically playing as a midfielder now and thats why he's scoring less.
But to say that Messi cant score is sheer nonsense. He's one of the greatest goalscorers of all time and thats far from his only contribution to the game. The dude is the most complete player ever.
In his prime, he was untouchable. His nickname in his youth days were 'The Unmarkable'. Again that's just one of the nicknames he has.
Dribbling to him is easier than breathing. Simple football at it's finest level. Godlike if you ask me.
So yeah Messi all the way for me. He's just too good on and off the pitch. Doesnt dive, lives a humble family life and doesn't do much celebrity nonsense. In the words of Gary Lineker, if players were to use Leo as their model, the game would be so much better instantly. I strongly believe in that.
crazy how you wrote all this just you say you prefer Messi. it’s okay man, you think Messi and it’s perfectly fine. i prefer Ronaldo and it’s also perfectly fine. Messi is still undoubtedly one the greatest players ever even if i prefer Ronaldo
messi non è completo il piede destro non è né preciso ne potente dentro l area di rigore e fuori dall'area di rigore con il piede destro non è tira quasi mai di testa non è granché Pelé è molto più completo coi due piedi dentro e fuori dall'area di rigore e di testa salta 18 20 centimetri sopra messi Pelé solo solo di testa ha segnato circa 400 goals dei suoi 1283 goals in 1371 partite
I'm glad to see Di Stefano here since he is usually so overlooked in the GOAT discussions.
He was the clear best player and leader in a team that won 5 champions leagues, 8 La Ligas, 1 Copa America, and he also won the "Super Ballon D'Or" which was awarded to the best out of all Ballon D'Or winners until the moment (in 1989)
Players like Maradona and Ronaldo Nazario had a few amazing seasons that impressed the world, and they are probably the best ever if we are talking only about peak seasons, but their careers felt a bit short compared to the longevity of Messi and CR7. However, Di Stefano does actually compare with Messi and CR7 in terms of longevity through the years
peak messi > all
peak maradona 1986 wc>>.all
@@gourmondal5812 u havent even watched maradona
@@ZyzzParadise there are 100+ clips of Maradona on yt..it's enough
But he was much greater than that ikr...
My father saw him live...he also likes messi cr
But he says Maradona is incomparable!!! 💯💫❤️💙
@@gourmondal5812 Messi >
It really hurts me that no one names Cruijff who shaped football for 2 of the biggest clubs in the world and made modern football. He is the only one on this list who formed football by being more than just a good player.
I'v been real madrid fan for 16 years, I always wanted cr7 to win every balloon dor I watched all his games and highlights, but honestly Messi is the goat his playstyle never gets old, you cannot predict what he's going to do next he's good with everything except headers. also I hoped ronaldo would stop that stupid freekick technique that stopped working years ago
Nah u are just mad he went to juventus
Pressed
Real Madrid fans are bitter!
You can't tell him to walk when he doesn't have feet.... About the heading.
All his headers are special. Criminally underrated when given the chance.
DiStefano was 100% argentinean, born and raised. Even played for River Plate.
But he played majority of his international career for Spain. He even went to the '62 WC, but was injured and couldn't play, so unfortunate
@@adjeiboateng6720 and what? He still argentinian and he dont win nothing with spain and with argentina won a american cup,stop
Being born in a country doesn't make you a national, your heritage does.
@@fleezelight so he is italian? Lol
Dribbler, Passer, Assistor, Free-kick Taker, Goal scorer and ofcourse 6+ Ballon d'or... Remember that Messi's 1st Hattrick is against The Real Madrid(2005-06) seasons...Will we ever see the Genius G.O.A.T player like LIONEL MESSI ❤️
7 balloon d'or
Messi only barcelona player...ronaldo cam play diffrence club
@@hadiothman7273 cap he plays for Argentina too and wtf did Ronaldo do at juve
@@theultimatesaiyanrose9114 5 trophies
@@theultimatesaiyanrose9114 di maria to the rescue lol Messi kept his ass in barca until he realized he doesn't have legends to carry him anymore, now hes doing fuck all 😂
Guess they've never seen the true goat Umtiti play. Bless their souls
You spelled Marouane Fellaini wrong 🙄
@Kayden Wright Funny way to spell Nicklas Bendtner
Funny way to spell 1 1
@@arsenalfan9213 You guys continually misspelled Braithwaite Nazario.
@Kayden Wright imagine spelling goatwaite wrong
I'm from the future
These debate came to an end
Well coming back after Messi winning the the Copa America and the World Cup. Kind of hard to debate it now.
Debate is over now
A hundred years will pass before we see a great positive competition between two players! Hats off to Leo and CR7 for gracing this beautiful game. I'm previlleged to have lived before they played the game until the day they will hang up their boots. If someone asks, tell them I lived in the Era of Messi and Cristiano. They have been such a blessing to football.
From a CR7 faithful
for me the best in history was Messi, I was a staunch defender of Pelé as the greatest, but after Messi won the cup I place him as the best
For me the list is like this:
1- Messi
2- Pele
3- Maradona
4- Cr7
5- R9
Answer: Messi. Always has been, always will be. And now that he has won the world cup, its not even a question anymore
Year and a half from the moment of this video was published - Messi's national team trophies Copa 0 -> 1, World Cup 0 -> 1
Maaaan people have strong opinions about this. This is a risky one
Exactly why the opinions in this video aren't my own 😂
You saved yourself with the lord bendtner disclaimer so, all is forgiven sir 🤣🤣
Most of the people who is picking Christiano Ronaldo is his team mates or his coach or It's Ronaldo himself. LOL!🤣
1 year later, the “Messi hasn’t won anything with Argentina” has aged as poorly as milk
i mean at that time it was true lol. of course a year later in hindsight it's wrong
0:28 😂 no international trophy? Say it now
Goat debate ended.🐐
There was honestly never a debate...it was always just for show...everyone knew Messi was better than Ronaldo ...people just can't accept reality
@@wolvesbane1748 nah, thats a dumb conclusion youv'e come down to, each to their own.
@@Dippa1991 to each their own? Are u dumb? It is a statistical fact that Messi is better than Ronaldo
@@wolvesbane1748 It Isn't Ronaldo already won an international Trophy in 2016, the Euro Cup Is much harder to win than Copa.
@@erinblue4043 according to who? Teams in the euros have a far lower rank than those in the Copa America stop the cap
Here to finally contradict your statement, it's 2k22 and Messi has won Copa America (2021), Finalissima (UEFA-CONMEBOL trophy) (2022) and finally the FIFA World Cup (2022) with Argentina. End of the debate
As a Real Madrid fan and watching as outsider, I think Messi is the GOAT. Like, for real, I've never been so scared of a player just taking the ball in mid pitch and destroy your midfield and defense just like that. However, Messi is just once in generation, his gifts are just top level. It's delightful to watch and you just can't hate him. unless, yes, he scores you in the 92 minutes of the Clasico in your own stadium, huh.
Now my personal experience, playing in the pitch in sub-15 leagues (I had to retire early at 16 since I have a chest condition) my role model was CR7. Messi was gifted, Ronaldo, not. He worked his ass off to be and have the reputation he has; he is a machine. When scouts see a magic player, it's instant scout. And very few hold to that magic, that why I also think Messi is hard work but because he knew someone was willing to take his crown. What do I mean?
The CR7 mentality pushed the limits of Messi, he felt threatened as well as Barca. Back there when 2008-2011 Barca dominated but later with Mou and CR7, Madrid started to show that gods can bleed, and Barca was beatable. Messi started to take more care of himself (you can watch interviews saying what he ate and his habits) and understood that magic isn't everything. Golden years for football arrived and there's no dispute that is respectable who would you choose as the GOAT. The toxicity is insane, because not a lot of people see or they refuse to see that, yes, Messi is the GOAT, but thanks to CR7 and the rivalry. See it like the Joker to Batman, the Yin and Yang, Light and Dark. You can choose one, but you need the other.
Messi is the best, period. However, the best football athlete as a whole, as role model, the perfect example that hard work, exceed your limits and do more than others do to, CR7 is the GOAT. Hardwork beats talent, 100%. That's why Messi had to get his shit together and that's why, both got the best out of the other. The outcome? The greatest rivalry in sports history, which brought so many golden years to football in form of goals, players, quality of game, etc. These two changed footballs, as DiStefano did, as Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane and so on. This was their generation and I don't think it matters who is the GOAT or not, but the impact they had in football as a whole.
That's a great take on the debate, I agree with every thing you said, but Ronaldo was talented, obviously not as much as messi was but still he was extremely talented.
@@yes-wh1zj Both had the talent yes, but what I mean is Ronaldo’s talent to be honest is his mentality more than his dribbles and skills. Why? I think if it was just his dribbles and stuff, like before, it would ended like many Joga bonito or fancy players, they don’t adapt. He does, thanks to his mentality. Maybe is a lowkey weird take but that’s what I think. His mentality is the best trait, since before, he wasn’t the most skilled, nor stronger or fastest player, but his mentality drove him to it
@@zura3844 agreed, Ronaldo's best trait besides his mentality is his ability to adapt, and make the most of what he has, we were lucky to see all this, we didn't realize how good we had it.
@@zura3844 Ronaldo switched from an dribbling, chaotic winger to penalty box poacher since 2013. And thats legitimate, he changed his style because he wanted to chase those goal records and outcompete Messi.
But players with physical style and diva attitude never age gracefully.
Messi did multiple switches in his carreer aswell, hes the more complete and adaptable player who ages very fine due to that.
This was a very well thought out answer. Thank you for providing your perspective in an unbiased manner. I watch World Cups and Euro Cups but I don't really follow club football - but I'm trying to improve my knowledge. This channel is great! Are there others that you would recommend? Thanks!
here after messi won a world cup with argentina
Messi all time, the best footballer all time, the greatest footballer in the history all time.
@@mamahuevo359 notice how his comment got 110 likes and you have literally zero
Pessi can’t even win a copa title Ronaldo better fuc messi
@@mamahuevo359 good tooo
Pelé Is
messi non è completo il piede destro non è né preciso ne potente dentro l area di rigore e fuori dall'area di rigore con il piede destro non tira quasi mai di testa non è granché Pelé coi due piedi dentro e fuori dall'area di rigore è preciso e potente allo stesso modo di testa salta 18 20 centimetri sopra messi Pelé solo solo di testa ha segnato circa 400 goals dei suoi 1283 goals in 1371 partite ha vinto tre mondiali con il Brasile 58 62 70 due mondiali con il santos 62 63 una coppa mondiale a s siro contro il l Inter nel 1968 Pelé incomparabile immenso magico
For me…
- Messi
- Zidane
- Cruijff
All 3…
- Amazing ball control
- Impeccable tactical minds
- Elevate their team members
Here after Messi and Argentina 🇦🇷 won the world cup
Anyone here right after Messi and Argentina won the 2022 World Cup?😉
"They act like 2 legends can not co-exist" - J. Cole
Now that messi has won an international title, ronaldo fans have no reason to say messi isn't the goat
Europe teams>>>>>south american teams
@@yrnkevinsmithC-137 Yeah, Brazil is so bad...😐
@@yrnkevinsmithC-137 it's not about teams it's about the player lmfao trying to protect ronaldo by saying European teams are better than south American teams....😂😂😂
@@27reneshdubey96 that's hw it works n I'm both a messi n Cr7 fan I mean Germany n France n England n croatia etc I mean do y hve a screw loose
@@yrnkevinsmithC-137 haha yeah sure imagine saying copa america is easier than euros, u have done nothing with ur life till now who tf are u to judge
Officially over today
Messi the world's champion
And Messi wins the World Cup while having probably the best individual performance of all time once again
You can hardly argue who the 2nd best is (CR7) but saying someone is better than Messi is pure delusion and dishonesty
Look I’m sorry to every great player that has ever lived but Messi is Messi he is the greatest that could do everything
except win a world cup
@@leroybrown2641 Cryuff never won a world Cup either. Shit logic
@@DarkKnight_ no one argues that cryuff is the goat nor does he
@@leroybrown2641 Point is you can't decide goat status based on one tournament. It's years of consistency that Messi has that sets him apart
@@DarkKnight_ consistency at club level
Leo Messi cemented himself as the goat after the world cup win...even though he was the goat before that...the win stretched the gap a light year away from the other greats
First sentence about Messi gives me a feeling that this video might be old
Lol one week before he won the Copa America 😂
@@FootballIconic should have waited lol
poooowww did you just really turn young or old. hahahaha respect that man
@@mynameis6575 cause Messi is unpredictable😎😎
Knew it would be Messi before even watching, the god of the game
1)Messi
2)Pele
3)Maradona
4)Cristiano Ronaldo
5)R9
6)Thierry Henry
7)Di Stefano
8)Ronaldinho
These are the best players of all time (so sorry neymar)
I just love CR7's mentality, he responded with Zero hesitation.
Detestable.
my man u should have released this 1 week later the day messi won copa america
Who's here after Messi won the World Cup (now making him the GOAT)?!
Already was. Just confirming...at age 35.
He was already the GOAT far before he won the WC
He’s not the goat
@@petcare9331 Who else? Maradona? Pele? Mitroglou?
@@petcare9331 don't say penaldo
I believe the greatest is Messi. However, I feel like I need to mention that it's a shame that defensive players such as Beckenbauer, Moore, Cannavaro, Maldini, Yashin and Buffon can often be overlooked in such discussions because of how difficult it is for them to stand out compared to their attacking counterparts.
Really appreciate this video and I love your content. 😇
What’s your justification for Messi and not even mentioning Ronaldo? lmao
@@tiestofalljays cause Ronaldo is not a defensive player ? Lol he'd have to mention a dozen players then.
@@tiestofalljays Firstly, I'd like to acknowledge that whenever discussing this, the answer will always be subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinion and in saying that I respect anyone else's opinion and I probably won't see their choice and their argument for that choice as invalid simply because it isn't the same as mine. I understand that as people we value different things and that is what often leads to our decision.
One of the main reasons I chose Messi is because of how easy and effortless he makes everything he does on the field look. As someone who's played football, not professionally though 😅, I am aware of how difficult certain things can be to execute. And to watch him do it with such ease and precision is something I truly admire.
At times it becomes difficult to explain beyond what I've mentioned above and using stats could lead to endless and admittedly engaging discussions about why I believe he's the greatest but I'd rather not considering that people know a lot of his stats already.
As to why I didn't mention Ronaldo (I assume you were referring to Cristiano Ronaldo), I was just answering the question on who I believed the greatest was. I actually really admire both Messi and Ronaldo, I just believe Messi is a cut above everyone else.
@@TheNostalgiaMerchant respect
@@aadvik5638 Thank you.
R9 with majority of his career plagued by career ending injuries is in the list says volume about how much he has achieved with less than 50% fitness
" Lionel Messi can't be the GOAT because hasn't won anything with Argentina " well funny how in 1 year that sentence aged very very well (Copa America, Finalissima and World Cup)
Great video man, congrats. I have one observation though:
If you had considered more brazilian legends such as Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Zico, Marcos, Rogerio Ceni (120+ goals as a goalkeeper), Romario (how the hell hes not in this list) and other WC winners along side Pele, you would have got a whoooole different result there.
Honestly, I think this debate is endless because as Lewa said, its impossible to compare Pelé to Messi, or CR7 to Maradona. Different ages, different contexts, different teams and all that. But if I had to choose one, I would have to give it to Pelé. He's undisputed in the ("better than everyone else" at his period of action).
Who's the goat of football for you viewers .
Love one , respect all.
goal?
@@slywhite7290 i mean goat 😁😁😁
My big black hock
“Pele on Himself” of course 🤣🤣👍🏻
Why shouldn't he, he has the best achievements
@@michaeltrumph121 he got carried in 2 world cups if i’m not mistaken
@@retrorammy9931
He didn't get carried in anything.
Out of the 3 World Cups he's won, in one of them he only played 2 games after which he got injured.
@Vain Freeland
Well said
@NMA 55 NIDHIN JOBI
Pele is the GOAT
The GOAT is the guy who won 3 world cups, scoring 12 times and giving 7 assists in 14 WC games. He had everything we want in a player: could drible; played perfectly with both legs; was criative, but objective at the same time; was decisive and excellent at headings = PELÉ
Modern football bruh💀
Me imagino que seguro vistes muchos partidos enteros de Pele, o no?
non ci sono dubbi Pelé goat perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti
Well I remember reading a debate with both sides exposing theirs arguments. I mean Messi vs Ronaldo.
And it was basically resumed to this:
Messi's side: Messi is better because advanced stats, like Expected Points Added and Efficiency Per Match, say so.
Ronaldo's side: Ronaldo is better because he is more athletic, and because we think Messi has had better teammates during his career, and Ronaldo has won an international championship with Portugal.
So I'll stand by Messi.
OKAY DEBATE OVER, MESSI IS A WORLD CHAMPION NOW
Messi already has his International trophy.
And i would like to correct Messi’s side:
Messi is better just by looking at him lmao eye test says it - dominates literally every aspect of the game. Still, some butthurt people say this is subjective so it’s like “ok, sure let’s check stats...” - Messi shreds on literally everything except heading.
Messi is better, that’s a fact.
@@danielc1291 THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE EYE TEST! Messi just has a vision of the game that is a cut above all else (his passes and assists are actually insane ; you can see that he gave the ball a spin so it bounces towards his teammates so they have an easier time scoring) + he dribbles + HE SCORES SO MANY GOALS. And Messi is short, so it explains why he doesn't score headers often. But that header against Manchester United in the UCL final was so memorable. He jumped so high.
CR7 is only comparable to Messi in goal scoring. That's it. Everything else Messi is far superior.
Noone said Platini? That’s surprising.
One of 5 players to win 3 or more ballon d'ors. To be fair, no one amongst this bunch said van Basten or Cruyff either.
@@FootballIconic true
He's corrupt
Only individual trophies count when you’re comparing single players, so name me one with more ballon dor.
R9 has 3 ballon d'ors. Does that mean that CR7 or Leo are bettet than him???
@@user-hr8fq5qb4v 🤣🤣 There are a lot of factors to look at, one being trophies (Individuals trophies). There is NO way you can say one player is better than the other because of trophies he won collectively as a team.
@@user-hr8fq5qb4v Please bro, You can compare R9 vs CR7 (CR7 wins) but Messi 😭 is cut from a different cloth! in every aspect of the game he beats any player by a mile!
@@user-hr8fq5qb4v ofc they are better
Dude from 2009 Messi won 3 Champions League, not 2. Roma 2009, Wembley 2011, Berlin 2015. Amazing video by the way, and THANK YOU.
Pelé ha vinto tre mondiali con il Brasile 58 62 70 due mondiali con il santos 62 63 una coppa mondiale per club a s siro contro l Inter nel 1968 ha segnato 1283 goals in 1371 partite super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti Pelé incomparabile immenso magico
Messi has a trophy with Argentina now🔥
In my head I know it’s Messi, but my heart says CR7. 2 legends who gave us a wonderful time to be alive
Fair enough both my heart and brain say Messi but I got a spot on cr7 , I can’t hate the guy
@@HORCHATA777SUBSCriBE true 🙌🏾
Always listen to ur heart nd
I'm a Messi fanboy
Pelé è il più grande calciatore della storia del calcio perché più completo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti ha vinto tre mondiali con il Brasile 58 62 70 due mondiali con il santos 62 63 una coppa del mondo a s siro contro l Inter nel 1968 ha segnato 1283 goals in 1371 partite Pelé incomparabile inarrivabile magico
One goat exists and overrides them all :
SCOTT STERLING
His penalty shootout heroics will live on until eternity! 🐐🥺
Scott Sterling has 25 ballon d'or
I'm not a fan of Soccer, but my brother was great fan of Messi so I'm sticking
That fact that you watch jimmy as well…amazing 🙌🏽just found your channel out and you’re just like jimmy and I love it👏🏽
Messi and CR7 are probably the most impressive players we've seen, maybe ever. But if everything was on the line, I would give the ball to Zidane.
P.S: if he doesn't headbutt anyone that is.
All of the players are great but to me none of their playing style technique or skills was unique except one ,except the GOAT LIONEL MESSI .
Don’t get me wrong I believe all of them were good but I have never seen no player have such control over the ball as Lionel messi he is just unbelievable.Everytime he plays he makes my jaw drop .It feels like it’s every other day he dribble 4/5 players at a single time in matches .
“When the impossible becomes predictable,when the insane becomes the expected”
that’s when you know Messi is playing ❤️💙🤍
George best and Marandona are similar to messi's play style
@@trovankyesiga1593 never and no where close, messi is and will forever be one in a trillion for at the next few centuries
messi non è completo il piede destro non è né preciso ne potente dentro l area di rigore e con il piede destro non tira quasi mai fuori dall'area di rigore di testa non è granché Pelé è super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti ha vinto tre mondiali con il Brasile 58 62 70 ed ha segnato 1283 goals in 1371 partite ha vinto due coppe intercontinentali 62 63 ed una coppa del mondo per club a s siro contro l Inter nel 1968 Pelé incomparabile e magico
watching this after messi wins the world cup :)
2:33-2:40 my grandmother still reminds me of Pele’s hat-trick against her village 😂😂😂
Football iconic
Don't listen to these fools hating your video
This video was so good I forgot it was 17 mins long and I just kept on watching
It was humourous, elegant and well researched
You'll go far
Thanks so much! Really appreciate that. Haha I figured some people wouldn't be happy with one thing or the other. Oh well🤷♂️
On a side note Wenger should become a sporting director because he has elite vision for great youth..
With Adam Johnson as head youth scout yes
@@redlightning2322 true I forgot to mention his management team that also plays a huge role
Excellent work sir. It is and always will be subjective. I've seen most of the great players since the seventies and remember thinking at the time, that I would never see players this great again but the beauty of football is that it keeps producing wonderful players with breathtaking skills and speed of thought.At the moment Messi and R7 are on another level statistically with Lewandowski reaching the heights also. The bar has been set incredibly high but you just know that football will surprise again and create new stars and heroes.
There is no need for any doubt, Messi is the GOAT
I read a statement by someone and it was something like this, "people say that Pele and maradona are not that good because defenders were average and teams didn't analysed their each and every move but great players can play in any era and they will shape themselves to become the best in that era".
Pelé è il più grande calciatore della storia perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti ha vinto tre mondiali con il Brasile 58 62 70due coppe intercontinentali 62 63 una coppa del mondo per club 1968 a s siro contro l Inter ha segnato 1283 goals in 1371 partite Pelé incomparabile magico
Yesterday Messi won the world Cup and now listening to Messi not winning anything with his country sounds so ridiculous 😅
I saw this video in my recommendations and the first thing I noticed that it looked similar to Jimmy's GOAT video. Nice vid man keep doing the good work ☺
Absolutely brilliant video. Thanks for the excellent work!
Many thanks!
Loved Lewa's response to the Q, pure class!
I’ve had countless arguments about this over the years where eventually it got to the point I didn’t think it was worth it anymore (even though I do enjoy the debates). I didn’t have the privilege of seeing people like Pele, Maradona, or R9 play, but I’ve watched Messi and CR7 dominate this game year after year. What I think everyone can agree on is the consistency that these two players have put on display has never been seen before. You could make the argument that their consistency alone would make them the two greatest players to ever step foot on a pitch. Obviously it’s going to come down to opinion and personal preference. There’s no denying these are the two greatest of this generation, but for me Lionel Messi does things with a football and without it that I really believe we may never see ever again. He possesses a talent that at many times seems extraterrestrial. As much as I love CR7 and the machine that he is, Messi for me does things that leaves me saying “how in the world did he just do that?”. Just having that affect, before we even get into all of their record breaking stats and awards, puts Messi at another level for me. He does things in all aspects of the game that majority of players wouldn’t be able to fathom. It’s certainly a privilege to have been able to watch them both over the years and I truly believe we won’t ever see two players dominate the game for as long as they have ever again. But like I said for me, there’s just no one like Messi.
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As a Ronaldo fan I achnowledge Messi being a far superior talent than Ronaldo. I don't think there is no doubt in regards to talent and even some skills that not even hardwork can get you. Messi is one of the Goats alongside Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff... But I still can't put Messi as GOAT number one because in fact we never saw Messi playing without being surrounded my the best players in the world, we never saw him playing in a defensive, counter attack or lack of players around him. It is true he has always been protected by Johan Cruyff philosophy tiki taka that makes Barcelona Barcelona, apart from goat players around him and Barcelona being the biggest dog in the league.
One thing is winning a race with a Mercedez Benz, and other with a Ferrari. For me Messi has always driven a Bugatti.
Messi deserves to be playing for the best clubs in the world. But that also takes a lot of credit in the GOAT debate because he won't be as important as he would be if he played for a smaller club.
Look what happened to Spain and Barcelona with retired Xavi and aging Iniesta? And I'm not lying, look at the facts, Spain is no longer near of becoming champs again and we only hear about the demise of Barcelona apart from spending billions. So Messi is the best at Barcelona. But could he still be best in a smaller club? We never saw this and his style doesn't fit it
CR7 is unique, kiss from portugal ahahhaa
i dont think i have a favorite player, i just like to watch football, and its always like, ohh this is the goat and i am like, how can you say lol (but it seems like every goat can do a bit of what every goat can do, in terms of sheer stats, who the goat though probably cristiano, but at the same time, messi got 91 goals in a years once, who has done that, thats insane cant deny that) all the goats are insanely good and all or everyone will say someone else compared to what someone else says is the goat lol
Yeah after winning World Cup the debate is over
Only one guy retired at his peak and won so many accolades in his ten year run. Marco Van Basten. Seven years with Ajax and three with AC Milan before retiring at 28. 3x winner of the Ballon D’or, 1x player of the year. 1x the best fifa mens player. 1x Euro cup winner. 2x champion league winner and first guy to score four goals in one champions league game. He is the only guy in the history of football than can claim , I only left them wanting more!. True legend and thankful he’s now in a management position.
You and jimmy are easily on my top 5 sport channels. Both make entertaining videos and you both bring a lovely vibe in each video
DO you mean Jimmy's NBA channel?
@@TheFunkloft yes bro
What a great channel. Love your hilarious coverage.
Recommended after messi won the world cup...
ok REMAKE this after messi won WORLD CUP 2022, COPA 2021
GOAT debate just ended when Messi won Copa America
Fax
Lmfao no.
@@Gma00001 yes it has
@@Gma00001 salty af cry
@@wcapina1087
Messi isn't anywhere near the best
Well this is going to be a fun video
Btw my GOAT: Leo Messi
Trash
@Frisby I'm a Ronaldo fan and I'm 25 stop judging, Cristiano is phenomenal player
@Frisby Giovanni just likes to see pics of Ronaldo with his top off.
There is no argument that messi and ronaldo are top 2 of all time. Stats show that so its just the truth. I dont care who u like, or what playstyle u like, all i care about is facts. If we are being completely honest with ourselves, they are both number 1. Only thing is, messi is more talented, but cr7 put alott more work in, so he made it on messi’s lvl. Ronaldinho, R9, maradona and pele dont come close to the 2 goats. Thats the truth. Do u not see it? Feel free to tag me, ill enlighten u.
@Frisby yet it's Messi fans are the ones who act childish on the internet lol. Most Ronaldo fans appreciate both CR7 AND MESSI something that everyone should do.
"Lionel Messi can't be the goat because he haven't won any international trophy yet"
He did.
End of discussion!
Maradona said that Lothar Matthäus was the best Player he ever faced
Great video, for me the goat is Messi. But Cr7 is also a real legend
Messi has ZERO trophies with Argentina, he ain't no GOAT
Wait until Sunday
@@michaeltrumph121 Stfu kiddo
@@michaeltrumph121 just because he doesn’t have international trophies he’s not the goat? Lmao bro look at the stats, you’re ignorant. You’re just scared and don’t wanna face the fact that Messi is greater than your idol
@@Sagnik9126
I'm probably twice your age.
You're the kid since mostly kids pick Messi and CR7
I'm surprised that nobody talks about the 2016 euros. That was the most undeserved win ever. Portugal didn't win a single game in normal time, like wtf. The biggest scam ever
Shut up
Yes, Portugal's campaign wasn't that great. They had Lady Luck on their side.
we did win one game in normal time so anything you say for the rest of your life is invalid
Does it matter??..... Why don't u talk about Greece winning the euros??.. A team that was worst than a Sunday league team, I could put some of my boys toguether and win against them..so luck is part of the game..get over it pal
@nicos frangeskou first of all, no need to get all violent 😂. And second u would be the lucky one to even lay a finger on me bud so chill.. And finally ye they were lucky so what?.. My point was that people here said that portugal was lucky cuz they drawn all their games and bla bla bla so I gave Greece example..good luck on Greeces next euros or world Cup or whatever they can get themselves into.
The Djemba Djemba pause lol. Nice videos man don’t know why I didn’t see these before.
When your countryman and your ex coach considers Messi to be better than you 🤣🤣🤣
Hahaaaa now ppl cant say Messi ain’t the goat cuz he won with argentina