What Makes Ceadeus So Compelling?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Ceadeus is the final boss of Monster Hunter Tri, and I think he's pretty great. This video breaks down his design and inspiration to try and understand why he remains so compelling, all these years later.
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Ceadeus really does capture a kind of ‘mythical’ vibe, doesn’t it? I think you said it best, it feels like something that would end up as a myth. Super fascinating and cool.
Its armors reflect that too, being Greco-Roman and Egyptian themed, probably the two ancient civilizations with the most famous mythological stories
So much so that the algorithm gave it to me, a myth content consumer who does not play games lol...
It helps that's it's not just another dragon/wyvern.
tri and 3u are my favorite monster hunters and ceadeus is big part of why. he just feel....really special. a elderly sea beast that is not even a threat. a gorgeous, ancient animal. the third gen had the best feeling environement and world i find.
I think repelling ceadeus also put the monster hunter guild's cannon philosophy about living in harmony with nature into the gameplay. You help the sea dragon with its pain and send it away without killing it, no lasting harm was done to either party. To me it really exemplifies what the guilds message means more than all the elder dragon culling in the other games.
But... you do kill it unless you're bad?
Always got the impression that Capcom was taking lots of cues from Shadow of the Colossus for Ceadeus
Big-✔
Fluffy-✔
Eerily Majestic-✔
Fight's it in a mysterious ruin-✔
Has an amazing atmospheric theme-✔
As an expert of all things SotC Yeah it ticks all the boxes for a certified SotC, Colossus and i love it
I did love how when you first fight it you just need to break the horn saving it and the village and not disrupting nature.
I like how when you search the list of things the fearsome nakarkos eats, it says "ceadeus pups" rather than just ceadeus. The fact that even nakarkos is scared of those things alone shows how POWERFUL they are. Just like how even orcas are afraid of bull sperm whales.
And that's just the regular ones. Imagine the goldbeard...
recently, Caedus has been on my mind a lot, even though I haven’t played 3U in more than five years. I’m really glad you were able to articulate how special Caedus feels, as it helped me figure out why I like it so much. Great video!
5:20 It may actually be a reference to Cetus, an Ancient Greek sea monster!
Tri was my first Monster Hunter game, and you're right in that there is this almost mythical feel to both Ceadeus and the game itself. That feeling was what grabbed me, and I've been playing ever since.
Tri will forever be just the greatest.
Ceadeus was probably the only fight that makes a case for underwater combat returning at some point to the franchise. Absolutely loathed fighting stuff like Lagiacrus in the normal water sections, but this fight was really well done.
I would love a remake of MHTri. But flesh out the world and ecology like MHW. Improve on the swimming mechanics, maybe add a boat so you can sail to further waters or latch onto a large fish and control its movement
Been waiting for this video for ages now - Gj Tom
I was about 9 when I first finished Tri and took down the Ceadaus. It was one the first game I ended really, as before this point I wasn't much into games other than good ol' Tekken 5 with my dad.
At first I was afraid of fighting a great Jaggi, like i saw Jurrasic Park recently and was scared as hell.
Now I'm 21, and I still remember the music and boss fight. I've played a few Monster Hunter games before, namely World. Alatreon is great, and Fatalis was probably the toughest combat I've ever experienced in any game.
But nothing have or will ever come close as the sheer wonder I felt against this godlike being. It's the perfect ending to the game and the perfect monster to me
The name for ceadeus likely comes from the name of the sea monster Perseus fought named ‘Cetus’
"there's nothing particularly malicious about how it looks" sir, are you familiar with a bobit worm??
Amazing video.
Ceadeus reminds me of shadow of the colossus, with the large patches of hair mixed with scaly or bare ridges
I absolutely love Caedeus! I wish we had more monsters like Abyssal Lagiacrus, and Goldbeard Caedeus which can only be fought underwater, as it sets up some pretty interesting challenges for the player.
mh3 was my first monster hunter game , i will never forget it
Damn I never thought someone would sell me on why the water was cool to have
Took me a minute to realize this was a video game boss. I legit thought this thing was real.
Something feels a little off about solving the problem of a monster's horn growing over its eye by only breaking off the tip of its horn, while leaving the base - the part actually irritating it and impeding its vision - largely untouched.
he sees thru the hole liek a a telescope and has better vision now actually
I honestly think ceadeus' biggest selling point is that it is underwater. Its the fact that sailors will have seen it but never had proof that it existed and thats why it would be a myth. However things on land and in the sky are a lot easier to see and therefore explain (foot prints, broken branches, etc)
Good that song is burned into my head I love tri
Awesome Investigation and interpretation
For me I like to think the name ceadeus is inspired by the phonetic sound of cea being the same as sea and the deus part coming from latin making him the literal sea god.
still one of my favorite boss
and probably the only monster i like under water
Awesome work
The only thing this monster invokes is ptsd from 3ds water combat
I really hope they bring back swimming in mh 6 so that way we can see ceudus in the more current style
My fav elder dragon, but also my first elder dragon fight (daora was my first but he womped me in freedom 2, never had the chance to beat him cause my psp broke)
i mean the name itself caedeus meaning sea god really sells the myth
3:47 Take that taste the pain
Monster Hunter seems like frames just freaking out on screen
kinda would have been a shame to kill it considering why it was behaving the way it did
Man, i hate underwater shit. It terrifies me. This battle gave me EXTREME anxiety to the point i literally couldn't finish the game. The other underwater fights were already creepy enough to put me over edge, but this is too much. Even looking at the video makes me shudder
to add with the Music of Ceadeus battle phase, its sung in a Bulgarian folklore choir style. Which was used in the Ghost in the Shell movie intro as well. this particular style of vocal arrangement really highlights the ancient, mysterious and beyond human aspect to the subject which fits really well with Ceadeus, because you get the feeling that, his existence precedes human time. a grand majestic creature who ,in happenstance, caused the settlers disturbances, but not in a predatory instinct type of way, but more in a greater cosmic being's actions unknowingly affecting lesser beings.
Yeah he really does feel like something that just doesn't know you exist and is just chilling out for thousands of years until you finally make him mad, kinda like Kulve Taroth except she goes full Nergiganté on an entire raid party of hunters when she gets angry 😂
*MOONQUAKE INTENSIFIES*
Omg, I've been wondering what that style of music was called for years or decades since I heard it in Ghost in the Shell movie.
You can literally feel the sea, it is an immediate vibe that I felt incredibly close to the heart, living near the sea myself.
It really gave my memories a bombastic tune from the first listening.
So its close to bulgarian folklore choir style. Thanks that is valuable Information. Cadeus is one of my favorite Elder Dragons.
To me ceadeus always felt special. There is just something about the atmosphere around him that makes ceadeus feel so majestic and memorable all these years later. Even now after all the crazy elders I’ve encountered in the series none of them can dethrone ceadeus as my favorite.
I didn’t realize it fully until randomly this video came up in my feed. I never wanted to stop or hate ceadeus, unlike other big fights at the end it didn’t feel malevolent at all. And the setting and music and design of the whole thing was phenomenal in retrospect.
That’s another thing Ceadeus captures so wonderfully. He truly feels like benevolent creature that has no malicious intent. It makes you feel bad for having to fight him. Yet you know you have to in order to save the village.
I think it’s worth noting the cutscene where Ceadeus breaches and swims away as you and Cha-Cha return to Moga is called “Spoken of Forever”. Not to mention I love the (presumably) Wyverian lyrics that play both during the fight and during the final cutscene.
Fun fact - apparently Ceadeus is the natural predator of Nakarkos, Generations' (not GenU's) final boss. To think that such a calm, normally peaceful creature could take on such a terrifying and intelligent abomination.
Where is this said?
There are a lot of cases of sperm whales having scars from giant squid attacks, so a whale elder dragon fighting off an octopus monster is not far-off from real-life
@@loafofbread9400it's in one of the books. I'll have to over them. But Nakarkos prey on Ceadeus pups
“in this artwork you can see people beating the shit put of it” 😂
Cedeus made my jaw drop the very first time I encountered it in Tri, and it still makes me smile and feel a lot of joy when I do face it. The music, the design... Whenever someone asks for a majestic example of a monster, he's always my first choice
Ceadeus and Monster Hunter Tri is a great example of older Monster Hunter games which really tried their best to make compelling and beautiful tales and stories about people living in balance with nature. I didn’t play the game, but the story and underlying message it is trying to convey is really good and speaks to the underlying message that Monster Hunter as an idea and game series is trying to tell us the audience. Good job with this video, please do more. 🙂👍
It always gave me the feeling of "Nature is scary and smarter then us" but living in harmony is probably also the message... except when elder dragons show up or god forbid a black dragon like Alatreon 😂
Sorry to burst your bubble, but as someone who actually played the game, the story is terrible. I still love the game, but they’ve never had good narratives.
@@khailils446 I think you're conflating story with plot. Monster Hunter has infamously lacking PLOTS, absolutely, but it's just incorrect to say the games don't present incredible stories.
@@khailils446 the story is passive. MH is more about world building and characterization, but never puts that front and center. If you pay attention, they have all the details set out
@@desmondclubland4006 Agreed. Monster Hunter usually does have a good story to tell. It’s just that the plot isn’t always well executed or coherent, or the plot is just a predictable, cookie cutter format that is repeated over and over again and therefore easy to understand and predict. Throw that aside, take it out of the equation, and you just have the story and the main message that is trying to be told - which most of the time is pretty good.
@khailils - There is a difference between a bad story and a bad plot.
Ceadeus' theme song is one of the very few video game OSTs, let alone the many fantastic ones within MH as a whole franchise, that gives me goosebumps. A phenomenally symbolic fight that makes you feel like you wish it was a full open world to explore all the ancient history - it was hard to fight Ceadeus sometimes (or abyssal lagiacrus) sometimes due to wanting to explore the arena
Tri Ultimate was my first MH game and Ceadeus left such an impression on me.
I name each character the same and make them look the same as my Moga hunter.
In my headcannon he always moves on to new challenges once conquering an area. But just like me he keeps Moga and his origin at heart. Telling other hunters stories of his Fight with this being sitting at a campfire showing off a Knive Carved out of the great horns Ivory!
Man I love your monster hunter videos, it’s always fun to see someone deep dive into the design of monster hunter monsters
out of all the gigantic monsters, it's prolly the closest we can find a real life counterpart for.
And there's is consequence of killing the Namazu instead of subduing it will cause a series unpredictable events...... Such as when we came to over-hunts whales, sharks, turtles, and wolves; the alpha predators of their regions are eventually overtaken by their preys....
It looks exactly like a Shadow of the Colussus Boss from the design to the graphics to the move sets
2:47 very similar to rodents of the real world ironically. Their (for lack of a better term) tooth regeneration requires them to consistently break them or else they’ll grow so long they’ll pierce themselves
3U is so damn good.
Ceadeus also sounds pretty similar to Cetus, meaning whale
OG Majors masks Zora Swimming is a great solution for underwater levels.
The dark lord ceadeus who is strong in the force, literally.
So, a note on pronunciation: "-deus" being clearly Latin in origin indicates possible Latin phonology. "C" in Latin typically makes a "k" sound. (To wit: "Julius Caesar" should actually be pronounced like, "Yulius Kaiser" in English, and is incidentally where the word "Kaiser" comes from to begin with.) Therefore, "Kay-ah-day-us" would likely be a much more accurate pronunciation.
Not sure if this is what the devs intended, (I like to get in fights about how "Tiche" should be pronounced in Elden Ring, so what do I care?) but this seemingly what the word origin phonology is telling us it should sound like.
I always read it as “see-ah-day-use” or “see-ay-dee-us” or maybe “key-ah-day-us.” As Ce in the beginning of a word often vocalizes the hard vowel. Personally the second guess is my favorite
Leave your bedroom for once 💀
Really made me see Ceadeus in a different light from when I first played 3U, makes me want to buy a wiiu just to encounter and hear his song one more time. Great vid❤
This thing haunted my dreams like the woman on Inception for years.
I recently went back and played 3U, and honestly man I really hope they bring back underwater combat. The game has a special kind of vibe to it
Caedeus truly is the most sea monter of all time
Nevermind, Ceadeus is no longer truly the most sea monter of all time
@@Grey-The-Skeleton what happened?
@@Reece_107 This comment was posted when the video came out. At the time, "monster" was spelled "monter" in the thumbnail. It was then corrected after the comment haha
@@Grey-The-Skeleton ah, I didn’t even notice monter lmao
1:36 On the topic of octopus in monster hunter, there was an underwater rock formation in area 11 that I mistook for an octopus monster on my first playthrough of the game. Took me a lot of courage to get anywhere near it, I even tried using the monster journal function to see what I was looking at, but it wouldn't show anything when trying to select it. I still, to this day, find that rock formation unsettling.
memories of lightning in the dark depths and a quick trip back to base camp
Mystery of the deep is the source of both fear and desire for forbidden knowledge
Tri was my first Monster Hunter game, so it has a special place in my heart.
Ceadeus was the first elder dragon i have ever hunted and slain, as monster hunter tri was my first ever monster hunter game.
When the final phase of the fight started and the music started playing, I had only one thought for the entire fight:
"This is it. Now or never"
Also, the "Cea" in Ceadeus could very well stand for "Ceatatian", the latin name for whales and dolphins. This would make Ceadeus "the god of whales", which i think is the most badass name and title a underwater monster could have.
I think you're spot on with the ceatatian idea!
My first MH game was 3U. It always felt like the people in Moga were portrayed as having a very deep respect for nature and your hunts never felt like going on adventures and fighting these big monsters. It always felt like you were going out to either protect the village or be a mediator for the balance of nature and I think how the Ceadeus fight plays out was a really good representation of it.
You can also craft Ceadeus armor and weapons in Generations Ultimate.
I dont know how i have watched most of your videos n have not subbed yet!
Glad i got this on my recommended page just now. Keep it up my dude!
All hail Big Horned Beard Whale. Also, “Monter”
God, i remember killing this bastard so many times just to get his gem. I was going to fo insane lol
Fantastic video one of my favourite monsters from my favourite MH game
1:05 I swear you only meet those fishes once in the entire game, I never encountered them outside of the mission in which you see this cutscene.
Wtf? I only played world and rise, you telling me you can f ing fight a badass monster underwater like sekiro in the older games? That's sick af , why don't we have cool fights like these in world and rise
I want another tri remake. Not right now, since it's already had one in tri ultimate. (I think that was a remake?) But maybe within the next 3 to 5 years.
Yeah, awesome monster, but crippled by being shackled to the game's worst feature.
No mention of the beautiful Greek/Egyptian warrior armor?
Ceadeua hasl has cocodylian like scutes on its back.
I never really get that far in MH Games, but I really wish I'd gotten to Ceadeus in MHTri and MH3U.
Mammy lil baby love shortnin shortnin ~
I was waiting for someone to do this
but chopping off the end of its horn doesn't solve the issue of the base of said horn growing over its eye...
That said, chopping the horn off reduced the pressure exerted onto its eye.
Great vid! Ceadues and it's theme is so iconic.
When you mentioned that this was the deepest we swim I instantly thought of Abyssal Lagiacrus. Although we fight him in the same location just the name and color sceme make it feel that much darker and deeper.
Interesting note, although the Earthquake-causing legend was used for Ceadeus, most of the Namazu's main design was used for Almudron.
as someone just passing through and who is not genuinely interested in this topic, i had 6m of interest to give before i bailed. cut these down to 5m and youd have perfect tidbits for assholes like me to jump-in jump-out on a whim and guaranteed youd get better traffic for it (not because it would represent a better product, just itd be easier for morons like me to consume but without losing interest). and just a heads up, once you start talking talking about how the word sounds to use, you're officially done talking about something.
This is what I love about the older Monster Hunter games. As much as the hunters are all about "The Thrill of the Hunt," they also seem to have respect towards nature and even to the monsters They are not necessarily just hunting Ceadeus for sport but to help keep things in balance with nature. I love this!
Excellent video. I was fascinated with the ocean as a child, and I think it’s one of the reasons I liked MH3Tri so much, even if the underwater combat wasn’t great. Ceadeus was my absolute favorite monster in the game
I really wish more MH games, and MH type games did stuff like this, and even made it clear on your reasons. Sometimes there are animals that are malicious, it kills cuz it wants to, it's an invasive species and is disrupting the ecosystems equilibrium, etc, but many times the animal doesn't understand it's causing problems, and it's easier, safer, and more human to just drive it away than to kill it.
The comparison of the view of nuclear energy in comics of America Vs Japan comes to mind, where in America we view it as power; it gives us powers and strength. A radioactive spider game Peter Parker super strength and senses, a Real radioactive spider would give you Leukemia.
In Japan radioactive waste creates Godzilla and many of the other Kaiju's in the monster verse(at least in the original depiction I think), which proceed to destroy Japan.
Nuclear energy is power/strength vs Nuclear energy is dangerous if not taken care of correctly.
So having something like "This monster is hostile to all life, we must put it down" as well as "This monster isn't dangerous itself, but it is endangering others thru it's actions and we must make it leave.", would teach people that while sometimes killing something may be necessary for the safety of others, it is the exception not the rule, and many times you don't need to kill something just because it's a problem.(Looking at the extinct Japanese Wolf.)
These might refer to the very ancient origins of the cetaceans we have in our oceans today... once I read of a primordial race of underwater beings originated in the constellation of the "Whale" (Cetus, in latin), specifically in planets around the stars of Kaffaljidhma (Gamma Ceti) and Baten-Kaitos (Zeta Ceti) who were the first genetical ancestors of the cetacean race that appeared in our galaxy and whose descendants eventually migrated or were implanted in the Sirius B star system by the "Galactic Farmers" or Life Seeders of our local universe. Since those ancient times, the prototypes of great whales and those huge sea monsters of cetacean lineage have been regarded as very loving, peaceful, wise beings... It is very interesting because in the new film "Avatar 2, the Way of Water" there is also depicted a race of huge horned cetaceans who cohabit harmoniously with the semi-aquatic navi (the turquoise blue, cat-like elven creatures particular to the Avatar Saga). thanks for the video, i loved knowing about Ceadeus!!
I've always liked the stark difference between Moga and the other villages at the time.
In Pokke you're the dumbass who fell off a cliff when appointed to relieve their retired hunter.
In Yukumo you're a celebrity from day one and everyone but the token bully has high expectations of you.
In Moga you're just a trainee sent to survey a lost cause, but grow to be that bravest youngster in the village of folklore, just trying to help out your family.
While there's always a sense of the village collectively focusing their efforts through the hunter. Moga's poverty and size really shines a spotlight in the growing stronger together part.
"Mother's little babies love shortnin', shortnin', mother's little babies love shortnin bread.*
-caedeus
I found this to be the most boring boss of all mh games when playing that game. Also it was way too easy to beat imo
Ceadeus is also probably related to "cetacean", the order that includes whales, dolphins and porpoises.
i literaly clicked for the thumbmail thinking it was a video about a real animal.
and i'm a monster hunter player (world and ris
ngl, how you pronounce his name kinda caught me off guard because i'm french and i call it ceadeus ( sounds like say ah day oos )
Funny how in Europe we have the similar fable of the lion with a thorn in its paw
Running anything that isn’t lagiacrus lance for the hunt? Bold move.
These games are such a massive waste of everything. Human attention being one of the biggest.
I feel like my friend and I were the only people calling it "SAY-uh-DAY-əs"
Loved it though
Reminds me so heavily of Hydrus from Shadow of the Colossus
its a watertype, thats whats compeling
in therms of-
MH3 was my first, and I will never forget learning that the Laggi wasn't the biggest, scariest monster in the water. Going in for the hunt and seeing his tail above the water, like a whale's. And his theme. God damn. Made me feel like I was bitch slapping Poseidon himself with a stick.
While I came into MH with the 5th gen, I've played a decent chunk of GU and 3U. And I have to say that Ceadeus is definitely my favorite right so far
Its like reaper leviathan from subnautica 😅